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Taliban abandons Musa Qala
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Afghanistan
NATO retakes Musa Qala after militants change sides
BRITISH troops stormed into Musa Qala yesterday as Taleban fighters fled their fortress town.
What was that guy saying about all of Afghanistan being Musa Qala?
Soldiers from the 2nd Yorkshire Regiment, the Green Howards, pushed into the city with the Afghan army, as president Hamid Karzai revealed many local insurgents had swapped sides ahead of the overwhelming British assault.
"Cheeze, Mahmoud! There sure are a lot of infidels out there!... Ummm... Mahmoud? Is that the Union Jack you're holding?"
He said: "The Afghan Taleban, they met with me. They said that they wanted to swap sides, and that is what has happened."
"We quit."
"Okay."
"Can we keep our guns?"
"Okay."
Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister, has pledged more reconstruction aid for the country so that locals are not tempted to go back to the Taleban.
He asked the British taxpayers first, of course, and they all thought it was a fine idea.
British troops breached the Taleban stronghold after five days of intense artillery bombardment, backed up by fighter jets and helicopter airstrikes, and destroyed dozens of key insurgent positions. But they stopped short of the town centre, afraid the place is rigged with mines, bombs and booby traps, which have already claimed three soldiers' lives.
No problem. Just send your new allies in to clean them out.
Mr Karzai claimed Afghan fighters begged him to be allowed to defect after witnessing atrocities against innocent civilians in the town.
Having your Mehsud allies roast a few locals will sometimes do that.
Mullah Abdul Salaam, a former Taleban commander who controls thousands of men around Musa Qala, was reported to be in secret talks with the Afghan government to swap sides and fight with the British.
He's a Pashtun, of course.
But news of his alleged negotiations leaked, provoking a rift in Taleban ranks.
Seems he's an Afghan Pashtun, not a Pak Pashtun.
Al-Qaeda and other foreign fighters flocked to Musa Qala after it fell to the Taleban ten months ago, when a controversial British deal to hand it over to tribal elders backfired.
"Yay! Hurrah! The Arabs and Other Foreign Fighters are here to defeat the hated British!"
Speaking at a press conference with Mr Brown yesterday, the president said a local resident he met almost three months ago appealed to him to liberate the town, which prompted him to ask the British to launch a joint offensive with Afghan forces. More than 2,000 British troops, including Scots Guards, Household Cavalry and Royal Marines from 40 Commando, have been involved in the operation.
And all because the old guy with the turban said "please."
British troops set up a cordon around the town while crack American paratroopers from the so-called Taskforce Fury smashed a route through Taleban trenches, and "dug-in" with defensive positions. Last night the Taleban admitted they had abandoned Musa Qala in the face of almost certain defeat.
"Ummm... Those ain't crack American paratroopers from the so-called Taskforce Fury, are they?"
"I think they might be... Hey! Where'd the Arabs and Other Foreign Fighters go?"
But the British denied reports the town had fallen completely. British troops on the outskirts of the town were last night "consolidating their positions".
"We can wait. That's like walking into an explosive. Our new allies are gonna clean it out."
At least two British soldiers have died in the operation. Trooper Jack Sadler, 21, from the brigade reconnaissance force, was killed by a roadside bomb in the area on 5 December and Sergeant Lee Johnson, 33, was killed by a mine on Saturday. A third soldier, whose nationality has not been released, was killed by a mine on Sunday. Dozens of Taleban were killed during the operation, and at least two children died in crossfire. Ahmad Wali, a Taleban fighter from Musa Qala, insisted morale remained high. He said: "I left with some fighters for a break. We are happy to go back and fight, but we will listen to our commanders."
"They say head for Quetta."


This article starring:
AHMED WALITaliban
MULLAH ABDUL SALAAMTaliban
Posted by: Fred || 12/11/2007 10:05 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6490 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Why is it a "so-called Taskforce Fury "?
Bias?
Posted by: 3dc || 12/11/2007 10:34 Comments || Top||

#2  Deal.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 12/11/2007 10:43 Comments || Top||

#3  NATO retakes Musa Qala after militants change sides

*Sniff* *Sniff*

Wazdan and Harry Reid are Crying Uncontrollably!
boo hoo.. blubber.. snivel... snot..

/no mo cartwheels in Congress *sniff*
Posted by: RD || 12/11/2007 12:08 Comments || Top||

#4  Suckering in deh white devels!
Posted by: Wazadannowafrank || 12/11/2007 13:03 Comments || Top||

#5  *LOL*
Posted by: Frank G || 12/11/2007 13:04 Comments || Top||

#6  And the only three killed on our side were by indirect action.

NATO - dozens plus two fluffys.

Taliban - 0
Posted by: KBK || 12/11/2007 13:11 Comments || Top||

#7  (Heh!)
Posted by: www || 12/11/2007 13:26 Comments || Top||

#8  Inline is outstanding, Fred.

Still laughing over Arabs and Other Foreign Fighters.
Posted by: Seafarious || 12/11/2007 16:10 Comments || Top||

#9  I wouldn't cheer so lustily. The cockroaches fled ... Unless the locals get with the program, the roaches will return. Same thing happened in 2001. Can Gen. Petraeus make a side-trip to Afghanistan?
Posted by: doc || 12/11/2007 16:30 Comments || Top||

#10  Why is it that the Taleban are always bringing guns to a tank fight?
Posted by: www || 12/11/2007 22:58 Comments || Top||


Taliban abandons Musa Qala
(Xinhua) -- Taliban militants admitted Monday they have vacated Musa Qala district of Helmad province as Afghan and NATO forces continue their operation in militants' heartland in south Afghanistan. "We retreated from Musa Qala in order to avoid inflicting casualties on civilians," the outfit's spokesman Qari Yusuf Ahmadi told media from undisclosed location. He did not give more details.
"As soon as the real soldiers are gone we'll sneak back and set up shop again."
Afghan troops backed by NATO launched a major offensive on Saturday afternoon to restore government's control over the strategically important Musa Qala district and so far, according to officials over two dozen Taliban fighters have been killed. After falling into Taliban hands last February, Musa Qala has enabled Taliban fighters to regroup and target Afghan and NATO and the U.S.-led Coalition forces in the southern and eastern provinces of the post-Taliban nation.
This article starring:
QARI YUSUF AHMEDITaliban
Posted by: Fred || 12/11/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6493 views] Top|| File under: Taliban

#1  Buh Bye.
Posted by: Ol Dirty American || 12/11/2007 0:22 Comments || Top||

#2  Toodles.
Posted by: Seafarious || 12/11/2007 0:27 Comments || Top||

#3  Start wiping out the poppy fields and they'll come back right fast, whether they end up harming civilians or not.
Posted by: gorb || 12/11/2007 1:16 Comments || Top||

#4  Why don't we quit boxing them in? They seem to be able to escape better when they are surrounded.
Posted by: plainslow || 12/11/2007 8:27 Comments || Top||

#5  gorb, it's December. I'm pretty sure the poppy fields are harvested for the year. I suppose you could salt the fields, but I doubt they could haul enough salt to make a difference. And hosing them down with herbicides will only give the poppies a leg up on the weeds for next spring.
Posted by: Mitch H. || 12/11/2007 8:44 Comments || Top||

#6  Talibunnies went down the hole.
Posted by: Icerigger || 12/11/2007 8:52 Comments || Top||

#7  How do you say "Buck-buck-braaaawk!" in Pashtun?
Posted by: Mike || 12/11/2007 9:40 Comments || Top||

#8  So, wazdan, what happened?
And, BTW, since when do the Talibunnies give a rat's ass about civilians?
Posted by: treo || 12/11/2007 10:00 Comments || Top||

#9  They mustav heard that Paradise was running short of virgins.
Posted by: GK || 12/11/2007 14:15 Comments || Top||

#10  Well, then mine the poppy fields. :-)
Posted by: gorb || 12/11/2007 23:52 Comments || Top||


Dutch pound Taliban positions
DUTCH heavy artillery has been used to pound suspected Taliban positions as round-the-clock military operations continue to root out insurgents operating in mountains close to this strategic base in Oruzgan province jointly manned by an Australian task force.

A brief siren wail was the only warning Sunday afternoon that a huge 155 millimetre self-propelled gun was about to fire. Over the course of an hour the German-built Panzerhaubitze 155mm self-propelled howitzer, short-listed for procurement by the Australian Defence Force, fired six rounds of highly specialised extended range ammunition capable of hitting targets with pinpoint precision 40km away. The thunderclap detonations sent shock waves through Camp Holland the name given to this predominately Dutch base that is shared by 400 Australian Army engineers and a 300-strong special forces task group.

Details of the fire support mission were not given but followed a day of intense air activity over Tarin Kowt involving Dutch Apache helicopter gun ships and Blackhawk transport helicopters. Australian troops are also heavily involved clearing Taliban extremists from the strategic Baluchi Pass in the Chora valley north east of Tarin Kowt.
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: Fred || 12/11/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6461 views] Top|| File under: Taliban

#1  "Jest send in your Chief an' surrender,
it's worse if you fights or you runs.

You may hide in the caves,
they'll be only your graves,
but you can't get away from the guns!"
Posted by: Steve || 12/11/2007 7:41 Comments || Top||

#2  I recognized the Kipling style but had to Google the specific piece. 'Screw-Guns'
Posted by: Glenmore || 12/11/2007 8:36 Comments || Top||

#3  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2gEiL4X44g


Posted by: Thraviting Protector of the Munchkins5207 || 12/11/2007 11:19 Comments || Top||

#4  TPoM5207, nice vid! Takes a while for the camera to stop shaking.
Posted by: Unique Battle || 12/11/2007 14:41 Comments || Top||


Africa North
Algeria bomb blasts 'kill 47'
Additional stories from AP, Reuters, and AFP. As of 0930 CST the death toll is 62. AoS.
Two car bombs ripped through the Algerian capital Tuesday, reportedly killing 47 people -- including 10 U.N. workers -- in what appeared to be targeted attacks on government and United Nations buildings.

One explosion was outside the constitutional court in the Algiers neighborhood of Ben Aknoun and the other was in the residential area of Hydra, state-run television network ENTV reported. The other attack tore the front off the U.N headquarters in the city. A U.N. spokesman told the Associated Press that 10 staff members were killed one of the bombings.

Algeria's Minister of State Noureddine Yazid Zerhouni said the explosions were the result of two cars full of explosives, according to the state news agency. So far no group has admitted responsibility for Tuesday's blasts.

The U.N. headquarters in the Algerian capital and a separate building housing its refugee agency's office "suffered extensive damage" and staff members were among the casualties, U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees spokesman Ron Redmond told CNN. "There have been several casualties but we don't yet have any specific numbers," he said.

He said there were usually half a dozen to a dozen people working in the U.N. offices. "Apparently this was an extremely powerful bomb," Redmond told CNN from UNHCR headquarters in Geneva, Switzerland. "It's caused a lot of damage and right now we're just trying to sort out where our staff are." The U.N. is located in the Algiers neighborhood of Hydra.

Video from the scene showed a shallow crater in the road, surrounded by rubble and crowds of people. A nearby four-story building was missing its facade and there was damage to some of the building's interior.

Agence France-Presse said French President Nicolas Sarkozy had condemned the attacks, describing them as "barbarian acts", during a telephone call to his Algerian counterpart Abdelaziz Bouteflika.

Hydra is an upscale district home to several Western companies, government buildings, and embassies, according to residents. Ben Aknoun is a more residential area but also houses buildings of the Supreme Court.
Posted by: ed || 12/11/2007 08:58 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6458 views] Top|| File under: al-Qaeda in North Africa

#1 
Photos in Yahoo article


Posted by: 3dc || 12/11/2007 9:41 Comments || Top||

#2  Yet another tragic escalation following the morphing of GSPC into AQ.

Mercifully, everyone I know in the Supreme Court & nearby area is well, by the sounds of it.

It could be argued that the GSPC amnesty helped to reduce conflict for a time; I just hope that it is not becoming a permanent obstacle in removing the AQ presence.

The ironies are endless: the government continues to press for Arabisation/De-Frenchification, whilst Zawahiri announces a "blessed union" to attack French / US interests and then proceeds to attack Algerian ones.
Posted by: Admiral Allan Ackbar || 12/11/2007 9:53 Comments || Top||

#3  AAA shouldn't Algerians understand the concept of hudna? All the amnesty did is allow the Orcs time to rest, recruit and resupply.
Posted by: AlanC || 12/11/2007 17:13 Comments || Top||


Alert in El Harrach prison
The Direction of El Harrach Prison, Algiers, has tied 8 detainees and put them under isolation following the discovery of some mobile phones inside their cells, while prisoners, who are serving for terrorism related cases, have accused some guards of tearing out religious books, sources inside the prison revealed.

El Harrach prison is witnessing a high state of tension for five days after tussles between prisoners detained in cell 1 and 2 and some guards, the same source told El Khabar. Prison guards found 4 mobile phones hidden under prisoner’s beds following a routing search. Immediately, guards removed the prisoners who sleep where mobile phones were found. The concerned prisoners have been a subject to a cross exanimation during the same day then punished by being put under isolation after tying their hands and deprived from their usual rights.

In turn, the abovementioned prisoners entered in a hunger strike to protest against what they call “false charges,” while denying that the discovered phones are theirs. The same sources quoted prisoners saying that “some guards have torn out religious books, while a guard has written down offensive words on one those books.” El Khabar could not infirm or confirm theses allegations.
Posted by: Fred || 12/11/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6464 views] Top|| File under: al-Qaeda in North Africa

#1  You know, this sounds exactly like the sixties, when whatever happened, it was loudly broadcast as "Opression against Blacks" whether or not any such thing occured.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 12/11/2007 11:51 Comments || Top||


Europe
Female ‘terrorist’ killed in Turkish police raid
ANKARA - A female ‘terrorist’ was killed and two police officers were injured in a raid on a ‘cell house’ of an underground leftist group in the Turkish capital on Monday, officials said. The woman was killed in a shootout with security forces in Ankara sparked when she opened fire after calls for her surrender, the city governor’s office said in a statement.
Come out, mitts, air, never alive, blam.
A man who left the basement flat in the middle-class Kurtulus neighbourhood shortly before the raid was detained in the street. Anatolia news agency, quoting witnesses, said security forces hurled a smoke bomb into the flat as they stormed in.

Police seized two guns in the flat after the operation, the statement said. Bomb experts, aided by sniffer dogs, searched the flat for explosives but it was not clear whether they found anything suspicious, it reported.

The governor’s office did not name the outlawed group to which the dead woman allegedly belonged and gave no details about what prompted the raid.

Several violent far-left groups are active in Turkey. The most prominent is the Revolutionary People’s Liberation Party-Front (DHKP-C), held responsible for a number of attacks that have left dozens killed since 1976, including two retired generals, a former justice minister and a prominent businessman. It is listed as a terrorist organisation by Ankara, the European Union and the United States.
How 'bout the Islamicist groups. Do they rate a mention?
Posted by: Steve White || 12/11/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6460 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Apparently not.
Posted by: Icerigger || 12/11/2007 8:41 Comments || Top||

#2  I have to question this raid's planning, first they throw in a "Smoke Bomb" then send the sniffer dogs, seems to me that all the dogs could smell is smoke residue?
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 12/11/2007 12:09 Comments || Top||


German court upholds headscarf ban
(Xinhua) -- A regional court in Southwestern German state of Hesse ruled Monday that a headscarf ban for women civil servants does not violate the state's constitution. The rule, introduced by Chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian Democrats in 2004, forbids public servants from wearing articles of clothing that "could endanger confidence in the neutrality of their carrying out their official duties."

According to German news agency DPA, the court voted 6-5 in favor of upholding the ban, which also applies to teachers in Hesse, where the city of Frankfurt is located. The ruling was in response to a suit filed by lawyer Ute Sacksofsky, who saw the measure as an infringement on the freedom of religion and on equality between the sexes.

The lawyer said Muslim women still had a good chance of having the headscarf ban lifted if they took their case to court. She said Monday's judgment by the Hesse High Court applied only to the text of the original law passed by the state government and did not deal with whether Islamic headgear was covered by it.
Posted by: Fred || 12/11/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6472 views] Top|| File under: Global Jihad

#1  Nazi swallowtail banners, swatstika armbands, and auto fender pennants are also prohibited in Hesse.... it it's any consolation.
Posted by: Besoeker || 12/11/2007 1:10 Comments || Top||

#2  If it's any consolation. It's not. Muzz' only consolation is killing infidels...
Posted by: M. Murcek || 12/11/2007 9:41 Comments || Top||

#3  Well, why not look to Canada - where the Quebec government is holding inqueries into 'reasonable accomodation...
And the public servant labour union has proposed a ban on all religious garments for public servants - a uniform is a uniform.
Posted by: SBaram || 12/11/2007 21:57 Comments || Top||

#4  Hurrah for Canada!
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/11/2007 23:03 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Roggio Reports Suicide Bomber at Pakistani Nuke Complex
By Bill Roggio December 10, 2007 9:26 PM

As the Pakistani military continues the slow push to regain control of the settled district of Swat, suicide bombers struck in two locations, one at a sensitive weapons facility near Islamabad. The most deadly attack occurred in Swat in the Northwest Frontier Province after a suicide bomber hit a police checkpoint near Matta, where the Pakistani Army just established a presence. Ten were killed, including two children and three police.

But the attack at a Pakistani Air Force base in Kamra, while only injuring seven, has far more serious implications. The Kamra complex is a likely location for Pakistan's nuclear weapons program. The suicide bomber targeted a bus filled with 35 children of Pakistani Air Force officers. The driver, a conductor, and five children were wounded in the strike.

Global Security notes the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex in Kamra is one of the Air Force sites likely associated with Pakistan nuclear weapons development.

The Wah Cantonment Ordnance Complex consists of three nearby armament facilities in Wah (Pakistan Ordnance Factories - POF), Kamra (Air Weapon Complex - AWC), and Taxilia (Heavy Industries Taxila -HIT). One or more of these facilities is probably associated with the weaponization of Pakistan's nuclear devices. According to some reports, the main storage and maintenance site of the Pakistani nuclear weapons, particularly the weapons at a 'screwdriver level', is located at the 'ordnance complex' in Wah.

The Air Weapon Complex at Kamra is devoted to air-to-surface munitions, among other activities, and would probably have at least some connection with the development of air-delivered nuclear weapons. ... The Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) was almost certainly responsible for the modification of Pakistani aircraft, probably including F-16 fighters, to a configuration capable of delivering air-dropped nuclear weapons.

While Taliban and al Qaeda suicide bombers have targeted secure military facilities over the past year, it is unclear if the suicide attack was a target of opportunity or a demonstration of the groups' capacity to penetrate security at sensitive locations.
Posted by: Glenmore || 12/11/2007 08:22 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6471 views] Top|| File under:

#1  suicide bomber targeted bus filled with 35 children

Sick.

Posted by: Icerigger || 12/11/2007 8:39 Comments || Top||

#2  A polite request:
The word P_ki is considered to be extremely offensive in the UK.

I understand that this is confusing for some, as it is merely truncation by removal of the "stan" suffix, meaning "land of", but it has gained notoriety through its use by far-right groups in the UK, nevertheless, becoming a desultory term for all Asians and has offensive potential towards people of all nationalities, even Brits such as myself, to some degree. It is similar in strength to N****r.

Whilst I personally can understand that offense is not intended, on a purely practical level, it means that I am unable to view these pages at work without worrying that it may cause me trouble from somebody looking over my shoulder.

Fred / mods - I would appreciate some feedback from yourselves on this if possible, please.
Posted by: Admiral Allan Ackbar || 12/11/2007 9:09 Comments || Top||

#3  Paki is short for pakistani so the Americans dont see/intend as an insult as our muslims inhabitants do!

Anyhow not easy to upset them is it????
Posted by: Paul || 12/11/2007 9:25 Comments || Top||

#4  The admiral is unfortunately right. What might have been a humorous abbreviation is used by racists in the UK as a derogatory term for anyone with a brown skin.
Posted by: Apostate || 12/11/2007 9:26 Comments || Top||

#5  So, pakiwakiland is also uncool, as would be spiggywiggyland, or woggydoggyville...
Posted by: M. Murcek || 12/11/2007 9:38 Comments || Top||

#6  OTOH, it is perfectly acceptable for them to call us infidels and send suicide bombers to kill us.
Posted by: treo || 12/11/2007 10:18 Comments || Top||

#7  Intent is not necessary to cause offence though, Paul.

As far as P*wakiland goes, pretty borderline. Most people would get into trouble if they said that out loud in an average workplace. As mentioned before, a good rule of thumb is to only use it where you would use N**r - ie direct quoted speech and (v. risque) heavy irony. (I tend to avoid both, but thats just me.)

As apostate mentions, the term is equally offensive to people who arent from the "Land Of the Pure", even as a white Englishman, it makes me uncomfortable.

Speaking of which, I cant think of a more humorous term for the place than the one they came up with themselves - Pakistan after all means "Land Of The Pure", bit like "Religion of Peace". Wazoo also always brings a smile.

But anyway, all of this is a diversion from the article itself - bloody hell, Didnt realize that Swat was the home of quite so much techno-unpleasantness. In this context, Musharraf's offensive makes much more sense, amid all of the editorials about it being a dongle to the USA.

PS Thanks for fixing this one, guys.
Posted by: Admiral Allan Ackbar || 12/11/2007 10:28 Comments || Top||

#8  Admiral: thank you, I didn't know that.

I will refrain from using 'Paki' in the future.

My suggestion to all: not all Pakistanis are goofs, jerks and jihadis, though we seem to report on the ones who are. There are indeed many decent Pakistanis, in Pakistan and elsewhere, who are horrified by what's going on. Personally I wish they'd suffocate sit on their goofy relatives, but you can't have everything.

So let's not use 'Paki' in the future. Thanks. AoS.
Posted by: Steve White || 12/11/2007 10:30 Comments || Top||

#9  I learn something new here every day.

I will also stop using that term.
Posted by: Seafarious || 12/11/2007 10:49 Comments || Top||

#10  Definately a UK thing, my us pakistani friends say it all the time as a shortcut ...i.e "lets grab some paki food"

Posted by: Helmuth, Speaking for Cromong3228 || 12/11/2007 10:49 Comments || Top||

#11  I use "Pak," not "Paki."

I use "Pakistain" rather than "Pakiwakiland." I consider it more accurate.
Posted by: Fred || 12/11/2007 10:49 Comments || Top||

#12  Intent is not necessary to cause offence

Yes, it is, for offense to be legitimately taken. Black people call some by the N word and offense is not taken. Rednecks use it without intent because of their deficient vocabulary.

Intent is everything. Use of terms such as this without intent merely reveal ignorance or ill-breeding, which can be rectified as the Admiral has done here. Taking offense to that which was uttered without intent to offend is revealing the kind of hyper-sensitivity that helps destroy civil society as much as ignorance or ill-breeding.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 12/11/2007 10:54 Comments || Top||

#13  cf: the Dreaded Teddy Bear of Blasphemy
Posted by: Seafarious || 12/11/2007 10:57 Comments || Top||

#14  So is "Paks" offensive?
Posted by: mhw || 12/11/2007 11:06 Comments || Top||

#15  so what do you suggest? Land Of The Impure? Fundo Tools? Ima at a loss. I understand that in other lands a term I use may be offensive to someone with thin skin, but isn't my culture as valuable as theirs? If they call me a cracker (I love that slur, btw, it makes me laugh rather than hurt my self-esteem), aren't I supposed to suck-it-up and understand their root causes? I'm only slightly being sarcastic here, cuz I don't think that some Pakland emigree in another land should have sinktrap rights on me if I'm using a common-enough term here. Discuss...
Frank
Posted by: Frank G || 12/11/2007 11:23 Comments || Top||

#16  I also don't recall the "good" Pakland emigrees rising up in protest at the constant violent and stupid antics of their homeland nutcases, which diminishes any sympathy or respect I have for that "country". Did I miss those protests?
Posted by: Frank G || 12/11/2007 11:26 Comments || Top||

#17  What Frank said.

I'm sure that not all Pakistanis are jihadis but it would help out a whole bunch if they would kindly do something about those who are.

Like, for instance, if I was to get a bunch of nut cases together to make an unofficial guerrilla war against Mexico the US government would come down on me like a ton of bricks and rightly so. The question then becomes: Why doesn't the Pakistani government do something about the Taliban? Why doesn't the Pakistani government do something about the terrorists in Kashmir? Also: Why don't all the respectable and peace loving Pakistanis in the UK do something about the hate speech in the mosques?

Respect is something that has to be earned.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 12/11/2007 11:44 Comments || Top||

#18  Today's workplace is the most extreme PC habitat* in the World. PC run amuck, Speech Codes Galore, Thought Police, Speech Police, Sensitivity training etc.

Is this the standard for a War on Terror and War on Terrorist blog?
Posted by: RD || 12/11/2007 12:23 Comments || Top||

#19  As apostate mentions, the term is equally offensive to people who arent from the "Land Of the Pure", even as a white Englishman, it makes me uncomfortable.

And that, is a big part of the problem...isn't it. The English have lost their spine...wot! Whatever happened to "stiff upper lip" and that rot, eh?

Tell the Paki's to pound it! You too.
Posted by: Slats Shavith3154 || 12/11/2007 12:33 Comments || Top||

#20  Why don't all the respectable and peace loving Pakistanis in the UK do something about the hate speech in the mosques?


Exactly. Until then, they'll be Pakis to me.
Posted by: Crusader || 12/11/2007 12:48 Comments || Top||

#21  Choking on PC, have to breath but can't, help!
Posted by: Icerigger || 12/11/2007 12:48 Comments || Top||

#22  Are we trying not to offend our enemies or not offend our friends? As far as I can tell damn few Pakistanis are actually our friends. Once they are in the UK or the US are they still Pakistani? Are they not Englishmen, Scotts or, Americans. Perhaps we have a different problem here.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 12/11/2007 12:52 Comments || Top||

#23  use "Pakistain" rather than "Pakiwakiland." I consider it more accurate.

I Lol'd, then I rmembered it was FredMan.

Posted by: Wazadannowafrank || 12/11/2007 13:09 Comments || Top||

#24  I think Rantburgers have vocabulary enough to avoid the words that turn out to be seriously offensive. We don't use kike here, nor jungle bunny, nor Polack. It's a manner of self-pride and manners, not coddling the rabid. We could equally effectively simply refer to them as The Pure, f'r instance (sarcasm obvious in the capitalization, I hope), just as we do the brave Lions of Islam. Come now, let's see how inventive y'all can be.
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/11/2007 13:14 Comments || Top||

#25  Admiral Allan Ackbar is a friend here. He told us the term is offensive to him

Good enough reason to avoid using it IMO
Posted by: lotp || 12/11/2007 13:15 Comments || Top||

#26  One thing we're trying to accomplish is to not get our UK cousins fired.
Posted by: Seafarious || 12/11/2007 13:15 Comments || Top||

#27  Wacko's work?
Posted by: 3dc || 12/11/2007 13:20 Comments || Top||

#28  One thing we're trying to accomplish is to not get our UK cousins fired.

Sure, that's how it all starts. Innocently. Well, he can surf from home then, like --I'm sure-- some of us here do. I really don't think his place of employment is paying him to websurf at all. I say we leave the PC somewhere else, that's a big part of the reason I stopped looking in on HotAir.

Nonsense, just like this, rearing its ugly head. Spit!
Posted by: Thritch tse Tung8413 || 12/11/2007 13:23 Comments || Top||

#29  Bastshit crazy backwards freaking Muslims. I refuse to submit to the asshats. This PC crap is how they start. If you don't think so look at the UK PC insanity. It not about prejudice it's about intolerance, theirs of our culture and ways, not ours of their culture. I can't really believe we are having this discussion.

If you could be fired for reading something that says "Pakiwaki" you might want to not surf from work to begin with.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 12/11/2007 13:39 Comments || Top||

#30  Rantburg isn't in any danger of succumbing to PC, folks.

It's just good manners to avoid a term that a friend tells you is offensive to him. Not because you 'have to' - just because it's good manners.

Now, if someone starts telling me I can't call attention to the religious ideology behind the murdering Orcs who removed themselves from the genepool (before reproducing, one hopes),

Well, that would be another matter entirely.
Posted by: lotp || 12/11/2007 13:45 Comments || Top||

#31  Admiral Allan Ackbar is a friend here. He told us the term is offensive to him/i>

Is he, a friend I mean? How do we know he isn't a Paki himself? Posing here as a fellow kindred spirit, but actually, a sly and wily agent provocateur sowing discord? Hmmm!
Posted by: Ununs Pelosi6122 || 12/11/2007 13:47 Comments || Top||

#32  discreet, ladylike raspberries send in the direction of that last comment

LOL
Posted by: lotp || 12/11/2007 13:49 Comments || Top||

#33  It's at least immature to allow words or sounds to offend. The only people ever offended by such words are the lowest uneducated among us, and ironically, they are the ones most likely to use such words in their daily speech.
Somebody said, 'If thyne ear offend thee, cut it off.'
No one is really offended, but when you are so low on the relavent list, your ego needs to accomplish something to feel important, so being offended will suffice. I don't suffer fools.
Posted by: wxjames || 12/11/2007 13:52 Comments || Top||

#34  Of all the comments ( both pro and con) I think TW's and lotp's make the most sense. Save the crude versions for a specific target ( wazdan, perhaps), either as a poster or a subject in an article, but to broadly paint all with the same brush offends me too, and i consider myself just a bit to the right on most topics ( OK, then a lot to the right).
just my 2 cents.
Posted by: USN,Ret. || 12/11/2007 13:57 Comments || Top||

#35  Friends call me Bouncing Czech, cuz I survived all my accidents. I think it's cute.

I go with Fred's. Even Wazahisnick sortof likes it...

Kazakhstan => Kazakh
Turkmenistan => Turkman
Tajikistan => Tajik
Azerbaijan => Azeri
Afghanistan => Afghani

Pak or Paki is valid.
Posted by: twobyfour || 12/11/2007 14:10 Comments || Top||

#36  So let me get this straight, we can use Filthy Pig Dog Zionist Jew, but not Paki?

Let it be known to all that the Brits lose this round. The Filthy Pig Down Zionist Jews hve a better sense of humor than the Britons.
Posted by: Mike N. || 12/11/2007 14:13 Comments || Top||

#37  As an aside to our commenter who has used 3 different nyms in this thread - sock puppeting is frowned on here and at most sites.

Stick to one please.

Posted by: lotp || 12/11/2007 14:15 Comments || Top||

#38  So let me get this straight, we can use Filthy Pig Dog Zionist Jew,

No, we'd rather you didn't use that one either.
Posted by: lotp || 12/11/2007 14:18 Comments || Top||

#39  Tha being said P*** will from here on be considered a 4 lettah werd by this poster.
Posted by: Mike N. || 12/11/2007 14:18 Comments || Top||

#40  Be ashamed Britain. The people who brought us Montey Python have been out humored by the people who brought us guilt. Har!
Posted by: Mike N. || 12/11/2007 14:22 Comments || Top||

#41  I consider Paki to be a contraction and intend to use it as such from time to time. I also use Brit, Scot, and Aussie. I have never used any of them as insults, nor have I used the N word as one (or at all for that matter). I have an daughter adopted from India who is more brown-skinned than many Afro-Americans. I have no more intention to give up "Paki" than to give up white bedsheets because they might remind someone of Senator Robert Byrd.
Posted by: Darrell || 12/11/2007 14:24 Comments || Top||

#42  No, we'd rather you didn't use that one either.

Then PC has officiall run amuck at the Burg. That's going to subtract a fair amount of snark here.

What's a Burg story about Hamas/Fatah/Hezballan/Syria/Iran without a Zionist Jew reference?
Posted by: Mike N. || 12/11/2007 14:26 Comments || Top||

#43  I have no more intention to give up "Paki" than to give up white bedsheets

Racist bastid.
Posted by: Mike N. || 12/11/2007 14:29 Comments || Top||

#44  I first learned that 'Paki' is a long-standing racial insult in Britain from reading the Dark is Rising series. Not at all "PC" -- these are solid fantasy with a deep grounding in English and Celtic tradition. If you've got kids and they haven't read these yet, they're worth getting hold of.

One of the books opens with a bunch of ignorant, nasty bullies harassing a quiet Pakistani immigrant boy on his way home from school/violin lessons. One imagines they would have done so to a quite English kid with good grades, a slight build and a violin too. But the racial difference was all they needed to be especially nasty.

Our hero Will Stanton's older brother, home on leave from Her Majesty's Navy, dunks the bullies into the local muddy stream to pick up the boy's things they'd scattered. And with his father he quietly faces down one bully's loud belligerent father too.

No multiculti gibberish in these novels. But a clear sense of decency and characters with the courage to oppose not only overt evil but the petty dinginess that degrades people too.
Posted by: lotp || 12/11/2007 14:33 Comments || Top||

#45  As an aside to our commenter who has used 3 different nyms in this thread - sock puppeting is frowned on here and at most sites.

Stick to one please.


I believe you may be referring to me. It puts those names there when I post. I think they're funny. What is their purpose anyway?
Posted by: Thruter McGurque1952 || 12/11/2007 14:34 Comments || Top||

#46  The Dark is Rising series was written in the 60s, by the way. Before the intifadas, the murder of Israeli atheletes or other atrocities. And before the rise of Political Correctness.
Posted by: lotp || 12/11/2007 14:35 Comments || Top||

#47  Allrighty then. Will call them Pure. Pak or Paki was neutral for me. While Pure has an inherent sarcastic load. A shitload I may say.

To distinguish singular and plural:
s. Puree
p. Pure
Posted by: twobyfour || 12/11/2007 14:35 Comments || Top||

#48  Fred's Numinous Nym Generator offers you a unique name when you start up a comment, if your PC doesn't have a Rantburg cookie stored with a nym already.

If your PC isn't storing a cookie with the last name you used, you can type / paste it in each time you comment.

What's a Burg story about Hamas/Fatah/Hezballan/Syria/Iran without a Zionist Jew reference?

Oh - SNARK is certainly encouraged!

Anti-PC allergic reactions today. Got it. No PC being suggested. Just good manners. Fine line.
Posted by: lotp || 12/11/2007 14:38 Comments || Top||

#49  Fred's Numinous Nym Generator offers you a unique name when you start up a comment, if your PC doesn't have a Rantburg cookie stored with a nym already.

If your PC isn't storing a cookie with the last name you used, you can type / paste it in each time you comment.


Hmmmm. I see. Well, I don't allow cookies. So I'll take the second option. I shall be ...well, see for yourself.
Posted by: WazzaWuzzaBilly || 12/11/2007 14:41 Comments || Top||

#50  I am really disappointed that my unknowing use of a deragatory term in my title choice has distracted everyone from what I believe is important here - that suicide bombers have attacked a likely Pakistani NUCLEAR complex. Attacked it by attacking its children. Bill R. raises the question of whether that choice of targets was intentional or not, but one should assume it was, and ask WHY.
Posted by: Glenmore || 12/11/2007 14:51 Comments || Top||

#51  Why?

"The Americans _might_ eventually kill you one of these days, if the war gets worse. We can and will kill your kids, and we'll do it now if we want. Now who are you going to listen to about security procedures?"
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman || 12/11/2007 14:54 Comments || Top||

#52  I probably worry more than most about the corrosive effects of PC-ness in the language. I am also well aware that Paki is a derogatory racist term in the UK and equivalent to the use of the 'N' word in the USA.

I also dislike the bland and vague PC acceptable 'Asian' or 'South Asian'.

Having said that we use derogatory terms all the time here like Paleo. The only difference is that these terms are not in common use. So we need a new term for Pakistanis. How about, Paklandis.
Posted by: phil_b || 12/11/2007 15:01 Comments || Top||

#53  Glenmore, "What an man do against such a reckless hate?", asked the King of Rohan and meant Orcs.
Posted by: twobyfour || 12/11/2007 15:03 Comments || Top||

#54  Darn.. "What can man..."
PIMF
Posted by: twobyfour || 12/11/2007 15:05 Comments || Top||

#55  phil_b, I think Pakistainis or Pure(TM) would do the trick.
Posted by: twobyfour || 12/11/2007 15:07 Comments || Top||

#56  and 'ho ho ho' has a different meaning in Australia than it does in the North Pole.

With no offense to our overseas visitors, I don't have the desire to learn every slang in every language and then impose that meaning into my thought process, less I will be buying Saltine baked wheat squares and eating 'fruit stuffed pastry' for breakfast, and only certain people can make a croissant. I feel for our european visitors as their language takes the long crawl to self-censorship though I will try not to offend.

And a well intentioned suggestion - if you are afraid of getting fired for reading articles at work because you might get fired for naughty language, don't read those articles at work.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 12/11/2007 15:28 Comments || Top||

#57  It's a good article, Glenmore. Important, actually. I hope this action pushes President General Dr. Musharref to remove his nuclear weapons to, say, a U.S. carrier for safety. It would be nice if he went after all the Deobandi groups as well, because they support -- actively and tacitly -- the jihadis.
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/11/2007 15:50 Comments || Top||

#58  A couple things here. First off the article. The muzzies for allan went after base personal's children. To me at least their intentions were clear. "We can get your kids any time".

Second, Admiral if you are offended by American slang on an American board then you might want to grow some thicker skin. To anyone thinking Burger slang humor should be curtailed, well mods that is your job. I'm more concerned about offending anyone from a muslim country over being polite to a Brit that may or may not be English.

Given the fact that islamism and its constituent desire to force a backward, repressive, hateful, bigoted “faith” on the rest of the world is infecting a growing percentage of British society, one would think that Britons would be actively standing up for their rights and fighting back against this type of politically correct garbage.

But Dhimmitude is there future. As it is for anyone who thinks being "polite" towards members of a jihad nation. Or at the very least, moles for CAIR.

Lest we, you forget, we are at war gentlemen. 9-11 was only iceing on their cake and a wake up for us. I for one refuse to bend over five times a day and have my daughter legal bagged and beaten to please some fuvked cult of personality based on a meteor corned building housing some pagan moon god with a schit head pedophile as the cult's leader.

One more time. We are at war. You ether bend over and take it or stand up straight and spit on the PC jargon and come out swinging. Being polite will only get you a back seat in a mosque near you.

Double spit!
Posted by: Icerigger || 12/11/2007 15:52 Comments || Top||

#59  how about "damned touchy mofos"?
Posted by: 3dc || 12/11/2007 15:57 Comments || Top||

#60  Friends call me Bouncing Czech, cuz I survived all my accidents.

hehe... one of my in-laws escaped Czechoslovakia before the Nazis came in and thus escaped the holocaust. He calls himself a "bounced czech".
Posted by: DarthVader || 12/11/2007 15:58 Comments || Top||

#61  That works, too, 3dc. I like the nym you chose, WazzaWuzzaBilly.
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/11/2007 16:03 Comments || Top||

#62  i will start leaving off the 'i' and call them paks and thier homeland pakland or pakwakland. it has nothing to do with caving to the orcs or following speech codes. simple courtesy to the decent readers who have expressed discomfort.
Posted by: Abu do you love || 12/11/2007 16:03 Comments || Top||

#63  Roggio Reports ghostly harem owner Worshiper at Touchistani Nuke Complex By Bill Roggio December 10, 2007 9:26 PM

As the Touchistani ISI tribe continues the slow push to regain control of the settled district of Swat, ghostly harem owner worshipers prayed in two locations, one at a sensitive religious shrine near ThatWhichShallNotBeNamedabad. The most deadly ritual occurred in Swat in the Northwest Frontier Province after a ghostly harem owner worshiped at a dog's sniff point near Matta, where the Touchistani state tribe just established a presence. Ten were martyred, including two fluffy bunnies and three dogs.

But the ritual at a Touchistani Air Tribe holy site in Kamra, while only injuring seven, has far more serious implications. The Kamra complex is a likely location for Touchistan's holy hand grenade staffs program. The ghostly harem owner preformed a ritual on a bus filled with 35 fluffy bunnies belonging to Touchistani Air tribal leaders. The driver, a conductor, and five fluffy bunnies were wounded in the strike.

Global Security notes the Touchistan religious center in Kamra is one of the Air tribe sites likely associated with Touchistan holy hand grenade staffs development.

The Wah Cantonment Holy Complex consists of three nearby religious shrines in Wah (Touchistan Ordnance Mosque - POF), Kamra (Air Weapon Mosque - AWC), and Taxilia (Heavy Industries Taxila -HIT) foot washing center. One or more of these mosques is probably associated with the deitification of Touchistan's holy hand grenade devices. According to some reports, the main storage and maintenance site of the Touchistani holy hand grenade staffs, particularly the staffs at a 'screwdriver level', is located at the 'ordnance complex' in Wah.

The Air Ritual Complex at Kamra is devoted to air-to-surface holy artifacts, among other activities, and would probably have at least some connection with the development of air-delivered holy hand grenade staffs. ... The Touchistan Aeronautical Mosque (PAC) was almost certainly responsible for the modification of Touchistani flying carpet, probably including F-16 carpets, to a configuration capable of delivering air-dropped holy hand grenade staffs.

While Taliban and al Qaeda ghostly harem owner worshipers have targeted secure ISI tribal holy sites over the past year, it is unclear if the ghostly harem owner ritual was a ritual center of opportunity or a demonstration of the groups' capacity to worship at sensitive locations.
Posted by: 3dc || 12/11/2007 16:26 Comments || Top||

#64  it has nothing to do with caving to the orcs or following speech codes

BS
Posted by: Icerigger || 12/11/2007 16:31 Comments || Top||

#65  Paki Paki Paki.

Screw speech codes for the perpetually offended.
Posted by: OldSpook || 12/11/2007 16:42 Comments || Top||

#66  Whats next ban "Ami" for Americans, Afghani for Afghanistan natives?

Gimme a break. Its an ABBREVIATION not a distortion.
Posted by: OldSpook || 12/11/2007 16:44 Comments || Top||

#67  I didn't see 'Paki' on the list, must be USA orientated. You all should hear the rhetoric in the saloons out here, but we are all just a bunch of swamp yankees (or is that prarie?) no wait, Twister Fodder - nice. Look, the overzealous use of any foul language makes a person look rediculous and obtuses good points but at times an appropriately inappropriate word can sum it all up instantly. Also, don't take a playboy to church.

On topic, I though perv said a bunch of mountain boys didn't know where the nukes were at...While Taliban and al Qaeda suicide bombers have targeted secure military facilities over the past year, it is unclear if the suicide attack was a target of opportunity or a demonstration of the groups' capacity to penetrate security at sensitive locations.
Yes.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 12/11/2007 16:49 Comments || Top||

#68  For submission, -George Orwell, "Politics and the English Language," 1946-

And of course mods, this is your house and guests should follow rules.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 12/11/2007 17:03 Comments || Top||

#69  Suggestion---How about Aki-Pay? Or is Pig Latin on the sch*t-list?

Now on the real subject, it is obvious that al Q is targeting the Aki-Pay nuke facilities, or feeling out the security perimeter. The issue is whether Aki-Pay will stomp out this direct threat, a very serious threat, or we will have to deal with it. One cannot ignore this one, folks. Al Q does not appear to have a nuke yet. It is not because they ain't tryin'.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 12/11/2007 17:10 Comments || Top||

#70  3dc, tripple LOL!
Posted by: twobyfour || 12/11/2007 17:19 Comments || Top||

#71  AP, Pak/Paks should be fine. I'll use Puree/Pure. And Holy Hand Grenades of Islamisbad.
Posted by: twobyfour || 12/11/2007 17:29 Comments || Top||

#72  Speaking of puree... in the Land of Pure, that is what will, eventually, be the final result of this war. Not that I do like the idea, just think it is inevitable. Chain of events kinda thingie.
Posted by: twobyfour || 12/11/2007 17:36 Comments || Top||

#73  I for one will observe this as: Don't use the 'P' word! (Is P-word-stan acceptable?) On the other hand, 3dc found the solution...maybe we need to edit a dhimmini page for those that avoided describing Japs, Dagos and Krauts in WWII?
Posted by: Phinater Thraviger || 12/11/2007 17:48 Comments || Top||

#74  During the potential nuclear crisis a few years ago between Pakistan *cough cough* and India, I referenced the result of taking on India w/nukes would turn Pakistan into a Roentgen Soup Bowl.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 12/11/2007 17:59 Comments || Top||

#75  3dc wins.
Posted by: Dave D. || 12/11/2007 18:11 Comments || Top||

#76  Are all Americans this stupid?
Posted by: Choluns Bluetooth9917 || 12/11/2007 18:21 Comments || Top||

#77  Strident anti-PC is just another form of correctness, but courtesy is always in vogue.
Posted by: Bobby || 12/11/2007 18:27 Comments || Top||

#78  Touchi works for me.

I don't dount AQ has members or supporters right in the midst of this "secure" area.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 12/11/2007 18:41 Comments || Top||

#79  #76 Are all Americans this stupid?
Posted by: Choluns Bluetooth9917


answer: yes, but....we're smarter than the rest of the world. Hurts, don't it?
Posted by: Frank G || 12/11/2007 18:44 Comments || Top||

#80  but....we're smarter than the rest of the world

That's only an illusion, Frank. For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nguyet_Anh_Duong

But nevermind. I answered my own question.
Posted by: Choluns Bluetooth || 12/11/2007 19:08 Comments || Top||

#81  So Americans are stupid because P*** isn't a swear word?

Sounds like the stupid is the other way around to me.
Posted by: Mike N. || 12/11/2007 19:30 Comments || Top||

#82  Choluns Bluetooth, are you saying that Nguyet Anh Duong is stupid?

She is after all an American. Americans are mongels with all shades of skin color and all slants of eyes and all sorts of cultural heritages. Forget the prefix and the hyphen, it is just a multi-culti fad.

Over all, they are smart mongrels.
Posted by: twobyfour || 12/11/2007 19:41 Comments || Top||

#83  ahhhh yes, Nguyet Anh Duong, an American of Vietnamese extract. Wonder why she isn't home, designing weapons for the communist government there? Our American system isn't perfect, just better than the rest IMNSHO. That said, we should never rest in improving America. Which is why it's SO important to restrict our slang against what any sundry alien person finds offensive, throughout the world. Pretty soon we'll be communicating in grunts and clicks, until the tribe in "The Gods Must Be Crazy" decides we're mocking them, then the mimes will object, then....

Color me unimpressed with the "high ground" some here gained today
Posted by: Frank G || 12/11/2007 19:42 Comments || Top||

#84  Actually, Choluns Bluetooth dear, the lady you reference became an American citizen as soon as she was able, increasing the average American IQ and decreasing that of the rest of the world. But there are plenty of people who don't have a firm grasp of basic statistics.
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/11/2007 19:43 Comments || Top||

#85  This thread is disturbing. And not just because it glosses over suicide bombers at a nuke facility. OK, so 'paki' is verboten (no implied nazi sympathies or joo-hatred, thank you!) because Brit (oops) soccer (metric football) hooligans use it as an insult.. How about Westernized Oriental Gentlemen instead?
Posted by: SteveS || 12/11/2007 19:46 Comments || Top||

#86  metric football!!!

ROFL!

Sorry, couldn't help it. I know that he artcle is about something else and this thread has been derailed, it is not the first and last time this happened, but the issue has some merit.

All levity aside, it's simple. We keep our nomenclature, and our British friend would read RB outside work, as he should, lest he be fired for simply not doing his job.

Now back to the issue of Islamist homicide boomer and a bus full of children as a target...
Posted by: twobyfour || 12/11/2007 19:56 Comments || Top||

#87  "Westernized Oriental Gentlemen"? Nah. 3dc still wins. "Touchistan"... LOL!!
Posted by: Dave D. || 12/11/2007 19:58 Comments || Top||

#88  OT: A point of note with regard to Comment #48. That is not the your original reply to me. You have added to since I replied to it. I assume that you must be a moderator.

Is it common for you to change your posts after the fact? If so, that is very bad form.
Posted by: WazzaWuzzaBilly || 12/11/2007 20:05 Comments || Top||

#89  To be offensive by accident is a sign of ignorance.

To be offensive on purpose is a skill.

I thought this site was more about skill than ignorance.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 12/11/2007 20:14 Comments || Top||

#90  Are all Americans this stupid?

It sure seems that way at times!
Posted by: WazzaWuzzaBilly || 12/11/2007 20:14 Comments || Top||

#91  How is it that Choluns Bluetooth thinks he answered his own question about "all" Americans being stupid by linking to a Wikipedia article about some brilliant patriotic American??? He certainly managed to reveal his own intellectual limitations. Talk about stepping on your own gonads. I'm not sure from what land of supposed geniuses he hails, but he's not exactly doing them proud.

It sure seems that way at times!

Oh, so there's another here from the land of smug, condescending narcissists so superior to America. I'm sure it must be a wonderful place. With all their brain-power and their amazing powers of self-congratulation, they must be a far more successful country than America.
Posted by: ryuge || 12/11/2007 20:35 Comments || Top||

#92  This is nuts. 92 comments - a record? Will 100 break the Burg?

Popakopi
Posted by: KBK || 12/11/2007 20:39 Comments || Top||

#93  I think we need to tell the Pakistani government that if they lose control of their nuclear weapons, they will be destroyed by OUR nuclear weapons, wherever they are. If we have to turn all of Pakistan into a single, glowing crater, so what? I think that will stiffen a few people's spines just a bit...
Posted by: Old Patriot || 12/11/2007 20:42 Comments || Top||

#94  Is it common for you to change your posts after the fact? If so, that is very bad form.

Let's just say she has the propensity... but she's learning. ;-)

To be offensive by accident is a sign of ignorance. To be offensive on purpose is a skill.

I agree. ;-)

I thought this site was more about skill than ignorance.

It is. ;-)
Posted by: twobyfour || 12/11/2007 20:45 Comments || Top||

#95  Oh, so there's another here from the land of smug, condescending narcissists so superior to America. I'm sure it must be a wonderful place. With all their brain-power and their amazing powers of self-congratulation, they must be a far more successful country than America.

Excuse me! But I AM an American, born and raised! And having spent 40 years watching this country slowly slide towards Socialism I'm appalled at the rearing of PC garbage here (of all places) because some supposed Brit gets his knickers in a twist over "Paki". And yes, from my vantage point it does sometimes appear that an astonishing number of Americans are stupid.

Because they sure do behave that way. Got anything else to say?
Posted by: WazzaWuzzaBilly || 12/11/2007 20:51 Comments || Top||

#96  Got anything else to say?

Yeah, do you want your goat back? ;-)
Posted by: ryuge || 12/11/2007 20:55 Comments || Top||

#97  *ahem* - WWB, unless I'm mistaken, he wuzza referring to Mr. Choluns Bluetooth...

but I could be wrong (again)
Posted by: Frank G || 12/11/2007 20:57 Comments || Top||

#98  WWB, from that vantage point, I agree. However, still a far cry from our more civilized superior better ones. Not that is something to be proud of.

Remaining Yours Unabattedly UN-PC
Posted by: twobyfour || 12/11/2007 20:59 Comments || Top||

#99  When I first started reading Brit papers online, the term "Asian youths" kept popping up in articles describing arson, theft, and sundry mayhem. And then, it suddenly dawned on me that they were referring to Pakis.
Posted by: mrp || 12/11/2007 21:03 Comments || Top||

#100  Frank, it's Tl. Choluns Bluetooth, not Mr. Choluns Bluetooth.

[hint: a creature of small nature leaving droppings everywhere (not a mouse)]
Posted by: twobyfour || 12/11/2007 21:05 Comments || Top||

#101  mrp, I also thought they bespeak of, myhaps, Koreans at first.
Posted by: twobyfour || 12/11/2007 21:07 Comments || Top||

#102  P-word to you, C-Bluetooth! And may the Yellow Hoard cross the Yalu River in your direction! :)
Posted by: Phinater Thraviger || 12/11/2007 21:10 Comments || Top||

#103  WuzzaWuzzaBilly is an olde. Same no sound only furry.
Posted by: Wazadannowafrank || 12/11/2007 21:12 Comments || Top||

#104  A re-wrap, in the same cheep leaf tobacco that passes for trollery around here these dayz.
Posted by: Wazadannowafrank || 12/11/2007 21:15 Comments || Top||

#105  Its crying for a PC-Correct auto-translator....
in the tradition of slack.pl, val-speak, texan, swedish chef and even the racist jive script.

Just a mapping of words....



Posted by: 3dc || 12/11/2007 21:25 Comments || Top||

#106  Yeah, do you want your goat back? ;-)

Yeah, when you're done with it. Be sure and clean it up. ;-)


WWB, from that vantage point, I agree. However, still a far cry from our more civilized superior better ones. Not that is something to be proud of.

No question about it, having been to numerous third world crap holes, and a good bit of Europe, America is still the best place to be. That's what pisses me off so much about all the Leftist foamers and droolers in this country trying so hard to turn this place into something they wouldn't like if they were successful. That pretty much sums up why I think a large percentage of Americans are stupid. Not all, but an alarming number of them.


WuzzaWuzzaBilly is an olde. Same no sound only furry.

Projection, it suits you.


*ahem* - WWB, unless I'm mistaken, he wuzza referring to Mr. Choluns Bluetooth...

but I could be wrong (again)


*cough* Frank, it was me he quoted.
Posted by: WazzaWuzzaBilly || 12/11/2007 21:33 Comments || Top||

#107  great... so I'm wrong...again...so much for my self-esteem, but wait! I have another drink waiting in the O-Club! I'm fine
Posted by: Frank G || 12/11/2007 22:03 Comments || Top||

#108  golly gee and wilikers Ima hopin it's still permissible to call plain Treason---> *demoCra'ps* still.. and call terrorists *hajjis* like the Marines and Soldiers do, even tho technically *hajjis* means Spiritual travelers etc...

Ima partial for the edgey woids and partial for every bit of colorful swearin and insultin lanuage we use to expose the full blown denial and fake outrage Muslimes *DO* over every terrorist deed!

I recognize I rub folks the wrong way sometimes but hey, call me on it plz. I even like folks who don't like me! LOL!

Ima truly partial to and like lotp.. alot, respectin greatly her accomplishments and such, even tho she's made it very plain she ain't partial to any my Humors.

for instance:

#7: ugh, Red Dawg. yuck.
Posted by: lotp|| 2007-12-08 17:18 Top||

/:)
Posted by: RD || 12/11/2007 22:20 Comments || Top||

#109  Oh, I like your humours jest fine, red dawg. But any redblooded American male who contemplates needing "instruments" for his sexual pleasure, well ...

I just figured it was a bad day for you, that's all. ;-)
Posted by: lotp || 12/11/2007 22:26 Comments || Top||

#110  hava big Large Huge Texas Size Iced Texas Tea on me Frank!!

:)
Posted by: RD || 12/11/2007 22:27 Comments || Top||

#111  (on account of I think you're a gentleman at heart)
Posted by: lotp || 12/11/2007 22:29 Comments || Top||

#112  hmmm, that comment was for red dawg, but Frank's a gentleman at heart too as is plain to see.

lots of such here, rough language notwithstanding.
Posted by: lotp || 12/11/2007 22:30 Comments || Top||

#113  lotp, what's wrong with nice fuzzy fur lined handcuffs?

its a good thing! ROLF!!

/ oh no! :)
Posted by: RD || 12/11/2007 22:30 Comments || Top||

#114  you've got to tie 'em up to get 'em to ....

nevermind, I won't ask. ;-)

but ask a buddy how to .... or not ...
Posted by: lotp || 12/11/2007 22:33 Comments || Top||

#115  Yes I agree Frank is a fine refined Gentleman!

He's always conducted himself like a gallant country Squire!

Have another Iced Texas Tea Frank! LOL! on me!
/~:)
Posted by: RD || 12/11/2007 22:36 Comments || Top||

#116  no, It's entirely consensual lotp,

good evening Ima going out!

:)
Posted by: RD || 12/11/2007 22:39 Comments || Top||

#117  HOTAIR > AL QAEDA TARGETS PAKISTAN'S NUCLEAR BASES [the Long War]; + FREEREPUBLIC > IRAN WANTS 50,000 CENTRIFUGES OVER FIVE YEARS.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 12/11/2007 23:18 Comments || Top||

#118  Well kids, it's been a lot of fun. We'll have to do this again next year.
Posted by: ryuge || 12/11/2007 23:51 Comments || Top||


Morticia can run, sez tribunal
KARACHI - A Pakistani election tribunal on Monday dismissed a petition to bar opposition leader and former premier Benazir Bhutto from contesting next month’s elections, court officials said. A candidate from the former ruling party which backs President Pervez Musharraf had sought Bhutto’s disqualification from standing in her southern hometown constituency of Larkana.

The petition said that Bhutto should be ineligible because of sentences passed down by anti-graft courts five years ago, the officials said on condition of anonymity. But after arguments from Bhutto’s lawyers that the sentences had already been overturned by the Supreme Court, tribunal judges threw out the petition, the officials said.
Posted by: Steve White || 12/11/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6458 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Pakistan


16 militants arrested in Balochistan operation
Security forces, in an on-going operation, have arrested 16 militants and seized a large cache of arms and ammunition from their posession, while another cache of arms and ammunition was also seized in an operation in Khahan. According to details, the security forces, on the second day of the operation, had raided a number of areas of Balochistan and arrested 16 militants after facing some resistance. They also seized rocket launchers, mortar shells, anti-personnel mines, hand grenades, machine guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition in an operation conducted in the Khahan area of Kohlu. According to information, nearly 50 people were initially arrested people but most were freed after questioning. Tanzeem-e-Anjuman-e-Ittihad Marr has alleged that several people including women and children, were killed during the operation while hundreds were arrested. FC Inspector General Major General Saleem Nawaz however categorically rejected the claim and said that no one was killed in the operation, however, some militants were arrested and arms and ammunition were seized during the operation. He said that the international community could visit the area and see the improvements in the lives of the people.
Posted by: Fred || 12/11/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6457 views] Top|| File under:


Terrorist bombs children's schoolbus in Kamra
Eight people, including five schoolchildren, were injured on Monday when a suicide bomber exploded his car near a Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) bus carrying air force employees’ children, the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) said in a press release. The attack happened at a military base at Kamra, about 50 kilometres northwest of Islamabad. “A suicide bomber exploded his white car on the outskirts of the PAC factories on the Qutba-Attock Road on Monday at 7.30am near a PAC school bus carrying children to schools in Attock City,” the PAF said. The bomber was alone in the car and he died immediately after the explosion, it said, adding, “Consequently, five children and three adults travelling in the bus were injured.” The PAF also said that one of the injured was in critical condition but there were no immediate fatalities. The civil administration has launched an inquiry into the matter, it added.

Army spokesman Major General Waheed Arshad said the injured children were stable, reported AP. “This barbaric attack shows how cruel the terrorists are,” he said, adding that a bus driver and a guard were also injured. Police said the children were all aged under 12. Kamra police chief Tariq Hanif told Reuters that the attack was specifically targeting the school bus.
Posted by: Fred || 12/11/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6459 views] Top|| File under: Taliban

#1  Bill Roggio discusses this incident in more detail.

"the attack at a Pakistani Air Force base in Kamra has far more serious implications. The Kamra complex is a likely location for Pakistan's nuclear weapons program. The suicide bomber targeted a bus filled with 35 children of Pakistani Air Force officers. The driver, a conductor, and five children were wounded in the strike."

I will post the story as a separate item.



Posted by: Glenmore || 12/11/2007 8:29 Comments || Top||


5 killed in rocket attacks in Swat
Five people were killed and two others injured when stray shells landed on houses in Swat district’s Chaparyal area, residents said on Monday. Also, seven army men, including a major and a captain, who were kidnapped by local Taliban in Kabal, were freed on Monday, Taliban sources said.

The five people, including four of a family and a child, were killed and another child injured as the army continued pounding suspected militant hideouts with artillery in the Chaparyal and Venai areas. Another child was allegedly injured in shelling from military helicopters in Venai, the residents said. Provincial government spokesman Amjad Iqbal was not aware of these casualties. About the release of troops, he said they escaped from captivity after overpowering their Taliban guards last night. “The two officers and five soldiers reached at a safe location at around 4am.”He also said seven people, including a would-be suicide bomber and a foreigner, were detained in Kanjoo and Mingora.

In Kabal, the houses of Maulana Fazlullah’s aides Akbar Hussain and Ishaq were demolished by locals, Amjad said. The residents said the army continued targeting militant positions in the Ghat Piochar, Shaur, Namal, Venai and Chaparyal areas.
This article starring:
AKBAR HUSEINTNSM
Amjad Iqbal
MAULANA FAZLULLAHTNSM
Posted by: Fred || 12/11/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6459 views] Top|| File under: TNSM


Iraq
Baghdad oil refinery ablaze after rocket attack (?)
BAGHDAD - Firefighters were on Monday battling a blaze at a south Baghdad oil refinery sparked by a rocket attack, a statement from the Iraqi government said. ‘Four rockets hit the benzine pipeline’ in southern Baghdad’s Dora refinery, the government said, adding, ‘the damage from this terrorist attack is still unclear.’

Oil ministry spokesman Asim Jihad said a Katyusha-type rocket is believed to have caused the inferno. ‘A rocket thought to be of the Katyusha type struck a light fuel tank at the refinery, causing fire and material damage,’ Jihad told AFP. ‘There were no casualties.

‘The fire is still burning but the situation is under control,’ he said mid-afternoon. ‘The extinguishing operation is still continuing. I cannot say when will it be put out, but the tank is isolated and we are waiting for the remaining fuel to finish burning.’
But it may not have been a rocket:
The US military, however, disputed that the blaze was caused by rockets and put it down to an ‘industrial accident.’ ‘Baghdad forces determined that the cause of a fire at the Dora oil refinery today was the result of an industrial accident,’ a military statement said. ‘The fire which began around 9:00 am (0600 GMT) was initially believed to have been started by indirect fire’ but when troops arrived on the scene ‘its cause was determined to be the result of a pipe explosion,’ the statement said.

It said the security forces arrived at the site within minutes and began to control the blaze. ‘The exact number of casualties is unknown at this time,’ the statement said.
Posted by: Steve White || 12/11/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6457 views] Top|| File under: Iraqi Insurgency

#1  Those petty little b****es.

What does a company do when it is in a death spiral?
Posted by: newc || 12/11/2007 6:52 Comments || Top||


Troops stop alleged al-Qaeda operatives returning to Rashid
Multi-National Division – Baghdad Soldiers arrested two men who were suspected terrorists attempting to infiltrate back into the Rashid District Dec. 6. “Warriors” of Company A, 2nd Battalion, 12th Infantry Regiment, 2nd Infantry Division, and “Tuskers” from Company B, 4th Battalion, 64th Armored Regiment, 3rd Infantry Division, both attached to the 4th Infantry Brigade Combat Team, 1st Inf. Div., made the arrest of the alleged al-Qaeda operatives after receiving a tip from an informant.

In the Doura region, the “Warriors” raided a home and detained an alleged al-Qaeda in Iraq member suspected of multiple murders. Iraqi Security Volunteers believe the suspect was in the neighborhood trying to re-organize a new terrorist group in the area.

After a fire fight in Saydiyah, the Tuskers detained a man who the Iraqi Army believes may be a member of a radical AQI splinter group. During a patrol, the Soldiers and members of the 1st Battalion, 3rd Brigade, 6th Iraqi Army Division were shot at from a home, and returned fire. Upon clearing the house, Soldiers found a blood trail that led them to the suspect armed with a pistol and a hand grenade.
Posted by: Fred || 12/11/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6459 views] Top|| File under: al-Qaeda in Iraq


Iraqi Army, Coalition Forces oust insurgents in Hawr Rajab, Arab Jabour
Several Iraqi Army and Coalition Forces operations led to the reduction of enemy fighters and insurgent resources Dec. 5 in Hawr Rajab and Arab Jabour.

In Hawr Rajab, Soldiers of Troop B, 6th Squadron, 8th Cavalry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 3rd Infantry Division, from Fort Stewart, Ga., detained four individuals during Operation Rounders, an overnight operation involving a neighborhood search for insurgents and weapons. “This is pushing our operations into the east,” said 1st Lt. Ryan Resslera, from Cincinnati, Ohio, Headquarters and Headquarters Company, 6-8th Cav. Regt., executive officer. “This is giving us a foothold to better help the people.”

The four detainees were taken in for questioning at Forward Operating Base Falcon.

In another mission in Hawr Rajab, an Air Force F-16 Fighting Falcon supporting the 6-8th Cav. Regt. destroyed an illegal canal crossing point with a GBU-31 laser guided smart bomb. Such crossings are often used by insurgent forces to circumnavigate Coalition Force checkpoints.

In Arab Jabour, Soldiers from the 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 3rd Infantry Division, conducted several operations to eliminate insurgent resources. Soldiers of Company C, 1st Battalion, 30th Infantry Regiment located an improvised explosive device while conducting a presence patrol in the area. The IED consisted of two 57 mm projectiles attached to a detonation cord.

Another IED was discovered by Concerned Local Citizens and reported to Soldiers of Company B, 1-30th Inf. Regt. While investigating the initial IED, an explosive ordnance disposal team in support of the Soldiers located a cache of 100 pounds of unknown bulk explosives. Both the IED, which consisted of one anti-personnel mine with two 155 mm artillery rounds stacked beneath, and the explosives were destroyed in a controlled detonation.

Nearby, CLCs also discovered another weapons cache. The cache consisted of four 120 mm mortar rounds, two 60 mm mortar rounds, two 57 mm projectiles with detonation cord attached and one rocket-propelled grenade. The citizens took the cache to Soldiers of Company D, 1-30th Inf. Regt., who were conducting an overwatch in the area.
"Here you are, sirs. Where would you like them?"
"Ummm, over there. Way over there."
In a separate event, an air weapons team was called in by Soldiers of the 833rd Military Transition Team. The team, which is training Soldiers of the 3rd Battalion, 3rd Brigade, 8th Iraqi Army Division, called for the strike after being engaged by small-arms fire from two buildings and two mud huts. The structures were engaged by an Apache helicopter’s 30 mm cannons and Hellfire missiles, killing three insurgents. No Coalition Forces were injured in the attack.
Posted by: Fred || 12/11/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6457 views] Top|| File under: Iraqi Insurgency


Coalition force operations disrupt al-Qaeda networks; 27 suspects detained
Coalition forces captured four wanted individuals and 23 additional suspects during operations Sunday and Monday targeting al-Qaeda networks in central and northern Iraq.

During continued efforts to disrupt al-Qaeda networks in the capital city, Coalition forces captured a wanted individual and one additional suspect during an operation in Baghdad. The wanted individual is allegedly involved in al-Qaeda in Iraq propaganda and media operations and is a close associate of a suspect detained on Dec. 9.

In Taji, Coalition forces captured an alleged al-Qaeda in Iraq leader also involved in the terrorist networks in Baghdad. Reports indicate he is a close associate of senior terrorists in a network operating in northern Baghdad. This network is responsible for the majority of car-bombing and improvised explosive device attacks in the area, and is involved in extortion, intimidation, weapons trafficking and the facilitation of foreign terrorists. One additional suspect was detained during the operation.

Northwest of Mansuriyah, Coalition forces captured a wanted individual allegedly associated with the al-Qaeda in Iraq network operating in Muqdadiyah and involved in foreign terrorist facilitation. The wanted individual is reportedly an associate of several al-Qaeda members previously detained by Coalition forces for their role in networks operating in the Diyala River Valley.

During operations in Samarra, Bayji and Hawija, Coalition forces detained 14 suspected terrorists and wounded one while targeting associates of propaganda and media operations, car-bombing cells, and foreign terrorist and weapons facilitation networks. During the operation in Bayji, the ground force received hostile fire from a building in the target area and returned fire in self-defense, wounding one. The suspect was detained, treated on site and transported to a military medical facility.

On Sunday, Coalition forces captured a wanted individual in Mosul believed to be a foreign terrorist facilitator associated with senior facilitators operating in and outside of Iraq. The wanted individual is reportedly involved in the facilitation of supplies and finances for use in attacks against Coalition forces. As the ground force entered the target building, the wanted individual attempted to leave through the back door. Coalition forces engaged to stop his movement, wounding and subsequently detaining him. The individual was treated and transported to a nearby military medical facility. In addition to the wanted individual, six suspects were detained.

Posted by: Fred || 12/11/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6460 views] Top|| File under: al-Qaeda in Iraq

#1  And it continues:

(Not sure why the link function won't work for me - this is from today's CentCom press releases.)
"Coalition forces killed one terrorist and detained 19 suspects during operations Tuesday targeting al-Qaeda networks in central and northern Iraq."
Have to read the details to tell one release from the next. Although in this case I think CentCom and mnf-I releases are covering some of the same actions but grouping them differently and attaching different dates.
Posted by: Glenmore || 12/11/2007 8:47 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine-Jordan
'Limited Gaza ops having effect'
A large-scale operation in the Gaza Strip has dropped to the back burner in recent days after an assessment within the defense establishment found that the daily border raids the IDF has been conducting have had an effect on Hamas's military capabilities, senior defense officials said Tuesday.

Earlier in the day, eight Palestinian gunmen were killed and at least 10 wounded as IDF tanks and bulldozers, backed by IAF helicopters, swept into southern Gaza in the biggest operation there since Hamas's violent takeover in June. Fierce clashes erupted between IDF troops and gunmen who fired rocket-propelled grenades and mortar shells at the soldiers.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 12/11/2007 17:01 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6457 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  eight Palestinian gunmen were killed and at least 10 wounded

Worser than JenninGrad
Posted by: Thomas Woof || 12/11/2007 21:21 Comments || Top||

#2  "eight Palestinian gunmen were killed and at least 10 wounded"

It's a start....
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 12/11/2007 22:12 Comments || Top||


Islamic Jihad gunman killed by IAF missile in Gaza
A Palestinian gunman was killed in the Gaza Strip by a missile fired from an IAF aircraft, Israel Radio reported overnight Monday. According to an IDF spokesman, Golani brigade troops operating near the town of Beit Hanun identified a gunman approaching them and in response an IAF helicopter fired at the gunmen and identified a hit. Palestinian sources said the gunman was affiliated with the Islamic Jihad and that two more Palestinians were wounded by the missile.
Posted by: Fred || 12/11/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6490 views] Top|| File under: Islamic Jihad

#1  Why don't we rerun pics of Mohamed Dahlan, and claim he was killed again?
Posted by: SBaram || 12/11/2007 21:53 Comments || Top||

#2  But new, dead, bad guys are so much more comforting, SBaram.
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/11/2007 22:59 Comments || Top||


Israeli forces seize four near Jenin
Ma'an – Israeli forces seized four Palestinians in near the norhtern West Bank city of Jenin on Monday morning. Two were detained at a checkpoint in the town of Arraba, and the other two were abducted from their homes, sources in the Israeli military said.
Posted by: Fred || 12/11/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6494 views] Top|| File under: Palestinian Authority

#1  Abducted? not ARRESTED?
Get the words right.
Posted by: SBaram || 12/11/2007 21:54 Comments || Top||

#2  It is the Ma'an news site. They can't help themselves, poor things.
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/11/2007 23:01 Comments || Top||


Sri Lanka
16 rebels killed in northern Sri Lanka
(Xinhua) -- At least 16 Tamil Tiger rebels were killed and three government soldiers were slightly injured on Monday in separate clashes in northern Sri Lanka, said the military. Officials from the Media Center for National Security said four members of the rebel Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) were killed in a confrontation around 8:30 a.m. (0300 GMT) in the Navatkulam area of the Vavuniya district.

In the Mullaitivu district, at least nine LTTE rebels were killed in two confrontations with government troops at noontime. Three soldiers sustained minor injuries in the two battles. Meanwhile, three LTTE rebels were killed in clashes with the Army in Muhamalai of the Jaffna peninsula at about 6:55 p.m. Clashes between the two sides began to focus in the north after the military claimed in mid-July that the rebels had been totally cleared from the Eastern Province.

The government said about 10 LTTE rebels were killed each day in northern battlefield recently. Claiming discrimination at the hands of the Sinhala majority, the LTTE has been fighting the government since the mid-1980s to establish a separate homeland for the minority Tamils in the north and east. More than 5,000 people have been killed in the new wave of violence since the end of 2005, making the Norwegian brokered ceasefire agreement exist only on paper.
Posted by: Fred || 12/11/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6457 views] Top|| File under:


Good morning...
Posted by: Fred || 12/11/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6470 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Here's the Taliban equivalent:

Posted by: gorb || 12/11/2007 1:20 Comments || Top||

#2  gorb, I'd much rather appreciate Billie Dove than Billy Goat.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 12/11/2007 11:30 Comments || Top||

#3  You know, I've seen that look on her face before......not recently, though.....
Posted by: Slereth the Anonymous3530 || 12/11/2007 14:46 Comments || Top||

#4  gorb, I'd much rather appreciate Billie Dove than Billy Goat.

You must be a Talib, then. :-)
Posted by: gorb || 12/11/2007 18:17 Comments || Top||

#5  err, not be a Talib then! (Sorry!)
Posted by: gorb || 12/11/2007 23:53 Comments || Top||



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