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Afghanistan
Afghan leader assails Pakistan for Taliban support
[Dawn] The Afghan president says Taliban cut-throats "can't move a finger" without Pak support.

Hamid Maybe I'll join the Taliban Karzai
... A former Baltimore restaurateur, now 12th and current President of Afghanistan, displacing the legitimate president Rabbani in December 2004. He was installed as the dominant political figure after the removal of the Taliban regime in late 2001 in a vain attempt to put a Pashtun face on the successor state to the Taliban. After the 2004 presidential election, he was declared president regardless of what the actual vote count was. He won a second, even more dubious, five-year-term after the 2009 presidential election. His grip on reality has been slipping steadily since around 2007, probably from heavy drug use...
spoke in an interview with the BBC that aired on Friday, the 10th anniversary of the US invasion.

However,
the hip bone's connected to the leg bone...
Karzai insists he doesn't mean to reprimand Pakistain but is simply saying what both nations already know in the hope of finding a solution to the conflict.

The US and its allies invaded Afghanistan on Oct. 7, 2001, seeking to topple the radical Islamic Taliban and the group's ability to provide safe harbor to al Qaeda in the wake of the 9/11 attacks on the United States.

In the interview, Karzai also said the Afghan government and international allies have failed to provide security for the Afghan people.
Posted by: Fred || 10/08/2011 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Pakistan


Africa North
'Al Qathafi Forces Are Fighting for a Lost Cause' NATO Chief Says
[Tripoli Post] In the opinion of NATO
...the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. A cautionary tale of cost-benefit analysis....
chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen, after almost eight months, the end of the conflict in Libya that began in mid-February is in sight, and the Al Qadaffy
...whose instability has been an inspiration to dictators everywhere...
forces are fighting for a lost cause.

Addressing a news conference at the conclusion of the two-day Defence Ministerial Conference in the NATO headquarters in Brussels, Mr. Rasmussen said that he formed that impression after meeting and discussing the matter with the NATO partners in Operation Unified Protector and discussed the conditions under which the alliance could complete its mission for Libya.

He said that the threat to civilians in Libya is fading away, adding that, "the recent positive developments in Libya are irreversible."

Mr. Rasmussen pointed out that NATO is determined to pursue its operation as long as threats persist, "but to end it as soon as conditions permit. So we stand ready to terminate the mission when the political and military conditions are fulfilled," he said
Posted by: Fred || 10/08/2011 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Who the hell askrd YOU?
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 10/08/2011 2:29 Comments || Top||

#2  asked (fat fingers)
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 10/08/2011 2:31 Comments || Top||

#3  Qadaffy's remaining supporters may think, by now, they might as well go down fighting, they will receive no quarter.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 10/08/2011 13:09 Comments || Top||


Britain
Dawkins attacks 'alien rubbish' taught in Muslim faith schools
Fatwas will be issued
Richard Dawkins has attacked Muslim faith schools, saying that they teach students 'alien rubbish'.

The noted atheist claimed that pupils were being taught to ignore scientific evidence in favour of following the Koran.

He said that he had even met a science teacher who believed that the earth was only 6,000 years old.

Mr Dawkins, a former Oxford professor who found fame as an evolutionary biologist before becoming a vocal opponent of religion, is a longstanding critic of all faith schools.

But he has said that Islamic schools are worse than others, as their teaching is more likely to be influenced by a religious agenda.

Talking to the Times Educational Supplement, he described a trip he made to an 'utterly deplorable' Muslim school in Leicester.

According to the Daily Telegraph, he said: 'Every person I met believes if there is any disagreement between the Koran and science, then the Koran wins.

'It's just utterly deplorable. These are now British children who are having their minds stuffed with alien rubbish.'

Posted by: tipper || 10/08/2011 09:05 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Science will win, time after time, got something in the Holy Crayon for THAT?

Didn't think so.

I know it's a different religion, but the Church's response to Galileo hits first prize.

"It still turns".
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 10/08/2011 11:14 Comments || Top||

#2  Ummm, just to be clear:

It was Galileo whose said that more or less under his breath, after publicly recanting his scientific theories to avoid punishment under the Inquisition.

The Church later came to grips with science, but that was not one of its better moments.
Posted by: lotp || 10/08/2011 11:38 Comments || Top||

#3  He died in prison, didn't he?
Posted by: bigjim-CA || 10/08/2011 11:52 Comments || Top||

#4  Keep in mind that the Catholic denial of science was pretty much centuries ago (OK, some of that still around). The Muslim faith(s) have a long way to go.
Posted by: tipover || 10/08/2011 11:55 Comments || Top||

#5  "After a period with the friendly Ascanio Piccolomini (the Archbishop of Siena), Galileo was allowed to return to his villa at Arcetri near Florence in 1634, where he spent the remainder of his life under house arrest." - Wiki
Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/08/2011 12:18 Comments || Top||

#6  The Muslim faith(s) have a long way to go

And, so far, it has been going in the wrong direction.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/08/2011 13:44 Comments || Top||

#7  "The Muslim faith(s) have a long way to go"

When do they plan on starting?
Posted by: Barbara || 10/08/2011 14:31 Comments || Top||

#8  Hunting bull elephants with a handgun.
Posted by: Pappy || 10/08/2011 16:08 Comments || Top||

#9  Dawkins is a pompous jackass -- the essence of an atheist -- because not only do they believe the earth spins, but that it spins around him/her.

At least he has the courage of his convictions to take on Islammers -- and that takes some stones --especially in UK, the land of Fruity Pebbles
Posted by: regular joe || 10/08/2011 16:16 Comments || Top||

#10  Galileo was buried in the lovely church of Santa Croce in Florence, where his monument lies between those of Michaelangelo and Machiavelli.
Posted by: lotp || 10/08/2011 16:28 Comments || Top||

#11  The Peda Files

starring
Goat Molder

Believe
Posted by: swksvolFF || 10/08/2011 18:55 Comments || Top||

#12  er, British children, you say? Nope, when applying this argument to Islam (which comes before country), they are Mooslimb, not British. So, stuff´em, let them live in the stone age.
Posted by: Rhodesiafever || 10/08/2011 19:08 Comments || Top||

#13  I wonder if he has double indemnity life insurance.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/08/2011 19:45 Comments || Top||


Europe
France's Islamic suburbs 'separate communities in a divided nation'
France's run-down city suburbs are becoming ‘separate Islamic societies’ cut off from the state, a report has warned.

Arab communities are increasingly rejecting French values and identity to immerse themselves in Muslim culture and lifestyle, it was found.

Muslim pupils often boycott school dinners if the food is not halal and most Arabs oppose marriages to white French citizens, the study by respected political scientist Gilles Kepel revealed.

As a result, France – whose five million Muslims make up Europe’s largest Islamic population – was turning into a ‘divided nation’, the study called Suburbs of the Republic found.

Dr Kepel wrote: ‘In some areas, a third of the population of the town does not hold French nationality, and many residents are drawn to an Islamic identity rather than simply rejecting or failing to find a secular one.

‘French schools, which are rigorously non-religious, have traditionally been seen as having the role of training young citizens of the republic.

But local officials say Islamic pupils are heading home for a halal lunch.

‘Most people in France do not object to mixed marriages, but in the suburbs we were surprised to find a very large proportion of Muslim respondents said they were opposed to marriages with non-Muslims.’

The study was commissioned by the Institut Montaigne think-tank. It will make recommendations to the government in January.
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France's Islamic suburbs 'separate communities in a divided nation'
France's run-down city suburbs are becoming ‘separate Islamic societies’ cut off from the state, a report has warned.

Arab communities are increasingly rejecting French values and identity to immerse themselves in Muslim culture and lifestyle, it was found.

Muslim pupils often boycott school dinners if the food is not halal and most Arabs oppose marriages to white French citizens, the study by respected political scientist Gilles Kepel revealed.

As a result, France – whose five million Muslims make up Europe’s largest Islamic population – was turning into a ‘divided nation’, the study called Suburbs of the Republic found.

Dr Kepel wrote: ‘In some areas, a third of the population of the town does not hold French nationality, and many residents are drawn to an Islamic identity rather than simply rejecting or failing to find a secular one.

‘French schools, which are rigorously non-religious, have traditionally been seen as having the role of training young citizens of the republic.

But local officials say Islamic pupils are heading home for a halal lunch.

‘Most people in France do not object to mixed marriages, but in the suburbs we were surprised to find a very large proportion of Muslim respondents said they were opposed to marriages with non-Muslims.’

The study was commissioned by the Institut Montaigne think-tank. It will make recommendations to the government in January.
Posted by: || 10/08/2011 01:12 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I hate to inject math into such a lovely day, but how often can you subdivide a nation until it no longer is one?
Posted by: SteveS || 10/08/2011 16:28 Comments || Top||

#2  Build walls around them, with manned (armed) gates. If you come out, you can't get back in. And why should any of them want to come out, since they don't want to mix with the French? (That way, the women who don't want to live in the 7th Century can leave, and the clowns who want them to can't follow and murder them.)

"we were surprised to find a very large proportion of Muslim respondents said they were opposed to marriages with non-Muslims"

Then you're dumber than a box of rocks and shouldn't be let out of the house without close supervision by someone with a clue.

Posted by: Barbara || 10/08/2011 18:18 Comments || Top||

#3  because solid walls = "Ghetto" = PC/actual bad. If they impose internal walls, it's "diversity" and "cultural heritage" non-dilution = "PC good". You wouldn't understand
Posted by: Frank G || 10/08/2011 19:23 Comments || Top||

#4  The study was commissioned by the Institut Montaigne think-tank. It will make recommendations to the government in January

A real Planet Chiron mind-worm that one.

The Mind Worms get their name from their primary method of attack. After finding prey, they assault their target with a barrage of terrifying psychic attacks, paralizing them with fear. After the victim is paralyzed in terror, they burrow into the still-conscious host's brain and carefully implant their ravenous larvae. They are also able to burrow through most substances that are softer than Plasma-Steel. Only the most disciplined soldiers can resist this horrific attack long enough to trigger the Flame Guns that hold them at bay.

Posted by: Besoeker || 10/08/2011 20:31 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Holder's #2 received detailed Fast and Furious briefing March 2010
The lies and coverup are peeling like an onion. Holder must go
Documents recently turned over by the Justice Department to Congressional investigators indicate that then-Deputy Attorney General Gary Grindler received a detailed briefing on Fast and Furious more than a year and a half ago.

"Deputy Attorney General" is the Justice Department's No. 2 figure, directly under Attorney General Eric Holder.

Grindler moved from Deputy Attorney General to a spot as Holder's chief of staff last January.

The briefing Grindler attended was on March 12, 2010, six months into ATF's Operation Fast and Furious, which allowed thousands of weapons on the street in an attempt to track down Mexican drug cartels. Portions of the documents are redacted.

In handwritten notes about Fast and Furious that are not all legible, Grindler writes about "seizures in Mexico" and "links to cartel." He also noted "seizures in Mexico" on a map of Phoenix, the home base for Fast and Furious, and Mexico locations where some guns ended up. And Grindler made notations on a photograph of several dozen rifles.
Handwritten notes would seem to be particularly damning...
Posted by: Frank G || 10/08/2011 13:33 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:


Home Front: WoT
US State Dep Offers Parents Condolences on Death of Al-Qaida Propagandist Samir Khan
H/T Jawa Report
An official from the U.S. State Department has called the Charlotte family of al-Qaida propagandist Samir Khan to offer the government's condolences on his death in a U.S. drone attack last week in Yemen, according to a family spokesman.

"They were very apologetic (for not calling the family sooner) and offered condolences," Jibril Hough said about the Thursday call from the State Department to Khan's father, Zafar.
Posted by: Angens Glitch3166 || 10/08/2011 05:04 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I wonder if the Allied Powers sent condolences to the family of Julius Streicher.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/08/2011 7:34 Comments || Top||

#2  Gee, we're so sorry that your scum ball son was a traitorous, evil bastard that got wacked. You have our sincere condolences that it took so long.
Posted by: AlanC || 10/08/2011 8:46 Comments || Top||

#3  And it's damn hard not to smile whule doing it.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 10/08/2011 11:09 Comments || Top||

#4  from AOSHQ Facebook group:
Buzz Bannister: I'd like to send them a card saying "Glad to hear your son finally quit smokin' " .
Posted by: Frank G || 10/08/2011 12:18 Comments || Top||

#5  Send them a bill for the hellfire missile and the fuel used by the UCAV
Posted by: john frum || 10/08/2011 16:16 Comments || Top||

#6  Ashes to ashes,
And dust to dust, son.
He'd better get used
To eternal combustion.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/08/2011 16:30 Comments || Top||

#7  Thereby leaving the US wide open to a successful lawsuit for wrongful death.
Posted by: KBK || 10/08/2011 18:52 Comments || Top||

#8  Never heard the US State Department comment or forward condolences on the death of a soldier or Marine. Strange, very strange, but it is generally a very strange bunch, those State and foreign service types.

Many years ago while in D.C. a colleague and I had an appointment with a fellow at State whom I had previously served with when he was on on active duty. Traffic was especially bad that day and we ended up being delayed. Can't remember how long, wasn't too bad for D.C. He was pretty high up in the LA section. Upon arriving his office...intro's and apologies, he replied, "not much on punctuality are you." I nearly got up and left right then, but ignored it instead. Walking out his office in that manner would not have went over with my boss.

Wrote my AAR, sent it to the boss, and never talked with the man again. That was nearly 25 years ago. Still don't plan to talk to him. The old Harry Truman axiom, "If you want a friend in D.C., buy a dog" comes to find.





Posted by: Besoeker || 10/08/2011 20:16 Comments || Top||

#9  Anyone have their contact info? I'd like to send my thoughts too.
Posted by: HellFish || 10/08/2011 22:10 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Hamas fees and taxes infuriate Gazans
Hamas is imposing a taxation system that raises the cost of fuel, permits and government-property leases. The measures are angering Gazans and raising speculation that Hamas is suffering from a significant drop in funding from Islamist supporters.
So who's up for a 'Gaza Tea Party'?
Analysts say Hamas's financial backers may be providing less because they now are sending money to Islamists in Egypt and helping fund Arab Spring uprisings. Also, Iran may be punishing Hamas for failing to publicly pledge its support for the Syrian regime during its crackdown on protesters.

Gazans complain that officials with the Hamas government have suddenly begun requiring permits and demanding exorbitant fees from people who have expanded their homes.
Boy howdy that's just never in the Middle East before...
Privately run beachfront businesses and restaurants, which rent from local municipalities, have seen their rents double or triple.

Taxi drivers are being told to pay years of unpaid income taxes if they want their drivers licences renewed. The Palestinian Authority stopped collecting those taxes when it controlled Gaza during the second intifada.

Even tunnel operators, the economic lifeblood of the Israeli-blockaded territory, have been told to register with the authorities, and pay for permits, or face closure.

"We are smugglers and what we do is inherently illegal. How can they ask us to get licensed?" asked a tunnel operator on the border with Egypt, who gave his name as Abu Saqer, 38.

At the same time, Hamas raised the price of petrol and heating fuel last month, causing inflation to ripple through the economy, weakening purchasing power and causing job losses.
Posted by: tipper || 10/08/2011 15:22 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  watch yer feets. POG© (Podiatrists of Gaza) is looking to make a killing here
Posted by: Frank G || 10/08/2011 18:13 Comments || Top||

#2  "Hamas raised the price of petrol and heating fuel last month, causing inflation to ripple through the economy, weakening purchasing power and causing job losses."

Gee, sound like the DemonCrats anyone else we know?

"Even tunnel operators, the economic lifeblood of the IsraeliEgyptian-blockaded territory"

FTFY, Mr. "Reporter." The tax on fixing is $2.50. Pay up.
Posted by: Barbara || 10/08/2011 18:26 Comments || Top||

#3  Rockets be expensive.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/08/2011 20:38 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Hizbullah Puts Miqati at Loggerheads with International Community
[An Nahar] An announcement by Hizbullah that it rejects the funding of the Special Tribunal for Leb will likely put Premier Najib Miqati at loggerheads with the international community after he made several pledges that Leb would fund the STL.

The international tribunal is set to try ex-Premier Rafik Hariri's suspected assassins.

Miqati should now choose between upholding his pledges or resigning, ministerial sources told Beirut dailies published Friday.

They said the prime minister instructed cabinet ministers loyal to him not to discuss the issue of the funding in the media after he promised U.N. chief the ephemeral Ban Ki-moon
... of whom it can be said to his credit that he is not Kofi Annan...
and Security Council member states during his visit to New York last month that the Lebanese government will pay its $32 million share.

The new tumult came after al-Akhbar daily reported on Thursday that Hizbullah leader His Eminence Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah
The satrap of the Medes and the Persians in Leb...
told his visitors that the STL will not be funded. But at the same time he called for protecting the government and maintaining its unity.

This stance is not subject to any bargaining, the newspaper said.

The Shiite party totally rejects the funding, which would be seen as recognition of the court if it was carried out, sources close to Hizbullah said.

Government unity is not more important than the confrontation with the court, they added despite Nasrallah's alleged call to safeguard the cabinet.

But Miqati held onto his stance on Thursday, telling the National Audio-Visual Media Council that paying Leb's share to the tribunal will serve the country and Hizbullah.

The court will continue to operate whether Leb paid its share or not, he said.

"If we paid, we will spare Leb harm because there are many who harbor ill-will against Leb and the resistance," the head of the council, Abdul Hadi Mahfouz, quoted the prime minister as saying.

Under U.N. Security Council resolution 1757, Leb is obliged to cover 49 percent of the STL's running costs.

Conflicts over the court triggered a political crisis in January that brought down the government of Saad Hariri
Second son of Rafik Hariri, the Leb PM who was assassinated in 2005. He has was prime minister in his own right from 2009 through early 2011. He was born in Riyadh to an Iraqi mother and graduated from Georgetown University. He managed his father's business interests in Riyadh until his father's liquidation. When his father died he inherited a fortune of some $4.1 billion, which won't do him much good if Hizbullah has him bumped off, too.
, who had been prime minister since 2009.

Posted by: Fred || 10/08/2011 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under: Hezbollah

#1  The good news for both is that they taint alone.

To wit,

* MEMRI.ORG > IRANIAN SUPREME COUNCIL FOR CULTURLA REVOLUTION MEMBER HASSEM RAHIMPOUR AZGHADI CALLS ON IRANIANS WORLDWIDE TO CONDUCT SABOTAGE OPERATIONS IN "THE HEART OF EUROPE" + WORLDWIDE.

ARTIC > AZGHADI = The Next Generation must be trained + prepared to liberate their Muslim Bothers in LATIN AMERICA, CENTRAL + EASTERN ASIA, + NORTH-SOUTH AFRICA.
> "The Revolution has become International [exported]".
> Prepare for "Global Battle/International Jihad" + the "Coming of the Mahdi".

Oh my.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/08/2011 0:42 Comments || Top||


Geagea: Lebanon's Security Being Jeopardized for Sake of One Party
[An Nahar] Lebanese Forces
A Christian political party founded by Bashir Gemayel, who was then bumped off when he was elected president of Leb...
leader Samir Geagea
... Geagea was imprisoned by the Syrians and their puppets for 11 years in a dungeon in the third basement level of the Lebanese Ministry of Defense. He was released after the Cedar Revolution in 2005 ...
stated on Friday that Leb is passing through an "unenviable" phase given the weak security situation and lack of justice and an incompetent state.

He said during the LF students' graduation ceremony: "It's natural that the security of a country be destabilized, but for it to be destabilized on a daily basis for the sake of one party is unacceptable."

"It's natural for political liquidations to take place in countries throughout the world, but it is unprecedented for a government to refuse to persecute the criminals and for some of its members to harbor them," he added.

Furthermore, he noted: "Worst of all is having a government that wastes no time in condemning any enemy violation of Leb's illusory sovereignty, but that remains silent and subservient to the violations of Leb's fraternal state."

The LF leader made this statement in reference to the Syrian army's recent infiltrations into Lebanese territory where it said it was chasing Syrians who had decamped into Leb.

"It is as if we have become orphaned in a country without guards, borders, illusory sovereignty, and dignity," Geagea stressed.

On state appointments, he lamented the fact that the March 8-dominated government would appoint an individual to a position as an act of gratitude for that person's certain political stand.

He made this remark in reference to former minister Adnan Sayyed Hussein's appointment as the president of the Lebanese University.

The March 14
Those are the good guys, insofar as Leb has good guys...
camp blames Sayyed Hussein for playing a major role in the toppling of the Saad Hariri
Second son of Rafik Hariri, the Leb PM who was assassinated in 2005. He has was prime minister in his own right from 2009 through early 2011. He was born in Riyadh to an Iraqi mother and graduated from Georgetown University. He managed his father's business interests in Riyadh until his father's liquidation. When his father died he inherited a fortune of some $4.1 billion, which won't do him much good if Hizbullah has him bumped off, too.
government, which was tossed in January when the March 8 forces
... the opposition to the Mar. 14th movement, consisting of Hizbullah and its allies, so-called in commemoration of their Mar. 8th, 2006 demonstration of strength in Beirut ...
ministers and Sayyed Hussein resigned.

At the time, Sayyed Hussein was not considered to be affiliated with either of the rival March 8 and 14 political camps.

"We are now living in one of Leb's darkest periods, but one must remember that the darkest hour of night is always followed by the bright dawn," Geagea added.

Addressing regional developments, he stated: "The Arab Spring will mark the end of a dark period in the region's history and pave the way for a time of freedom, democracy, diversity, justice, and truth."

"Our future will not remain hostage to any side, but it is counting on our will and commitment to freedom and Man in Leb and the East," he stressed.

Posted by: Fred || 10/08/2011 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under: Hezbollah


Israel to Assad: We Will Bomb Gaza, Whole of Lebanon if Tel Aviv Attacked
[An Nahar] Israel has warned Syrian President-for-Life Bashir Pencilneck al-Assad
One of the last of the old-fashioned hereditary iron-fisted fascist dictators. Before going into the family business Pencilneck was an eye doctor...
that should Tel Aviv be attacked, then it will retaliate by bombing the Gazoo Strip and the whole of Leb.

Israel's NFC website reported that the Jewish state's government relayed this message to the Syrian president through European intelligence circles.

These sources said that seeing as Tel Aviv is Israel's economic and financial hub, a retaliation for an attack against it, by Hizbullah, Hamas, always the voice of sweet reason,, or Syria, will not be limited to Syria, but all of Leb and Gazoo.

NFC reported Israeli military circles as saying that the Jewish state's message to Assad "is clear in that Damascus
...The City of Jasmin is the oldest continuously-inhabited city in the world. It has not always been inhabited by the same set of fascisti...
' fate, should it be targeted, will not be different than Leb's."

These revelations came in light of an Iranian report that Assad had warned that he would "set fire" to the Middle East if foreign forces launched a military strike on his country and would ask for Hizbullah's help to attack Israel.

An Arab source told Iran's Fars news Agency that Assad made the warning to Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu during his visit to Damascus.

"If a crazy measure is taken against Damascus, I will need not more than six hours to transfer hundreds of rockets and missiles to the Golan Heights to fire them at Tel Aviv," the Syrian president said.

On Thursday, an official source at the Syrian Foreign Ministry denied these reports, adding that "no messages were conveyed from or to anyone during the meeting."

The Iranian news agency did not indicate the date of the meeting between the two officials.

Posted by: Fred || 10/08/2011 00:00 || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Syria

#1  ION PAKISTANI DEFENCE FORUM > [WND.com = long] NATO PREPS FOR NEW WAR, SYRIAN CHIEF WARNS ATTACK [NATO milstrike agz Syria] WILL SET MIDDLE EAST AFLAME.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/08/2011 0:25 Comments || Top||

#2  OOOOPSIES, forgot SAME > ISRAEL WARNED [by US = Leon Panetta] OVER LONE STRIKE AGZ IRAN.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/08/2011 0:29 Comments || Top||

#3  Assad had warned that he would "set fire" to the Middle East

He says it like that is a bad thing.
Posted by: SteveS || 10/08/2011 8:23 Comments || Top||

#4  The Israelis always think before issuing threats, so though this message is directed at Assad, it isn't aimed to persuade him of anything. Instead it is to let Hamas, Hizbullah, and the Lebanese government know that attacks on Tel Aviv mean that *they* are going to be pounded so hard that they will not ever forget it.

Importantly what is backing up this plan is that the US is accelerating shipment to Israel of 5,000 smart bombs, including 500 penetrating “bunker buster” bombs (BLU-109)(2,000 pound).

The rest of the deal are 2,500-909 kg (2,000 pound) bombs, a thousand 455 kg (1,000 pound) bombs and 500-227 kg (500 pound) bombs.

Israel already has several hundred of the GBU-24 (Paveway III, 2,000 pound) penetrators, and a hundred of the larger (2.5 ton) GBU-28s. This bomb can penetrate 32 meters (100 feet) of earth, or six meters (20 feet) of concrete. The lighter GBU-24 can manage less than half that.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/08/2011 9:06 Comments || Top||

#5  HMMM, NOW where to? DROP them?
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 10/08/2011 11:18 Comments || Top||

#6  "...penetrate 20 meters of concrete."

I'm no military expert expert, but can't the bad guys simply make the bunkers 21+ feet thick?
Posted by: Durnham Freebody || 10/08/2011 12:20 Comments || Top||

#7  Are you sure the bunker-busters will penetrate only 20 meters of concrete, DF?

Oh, I know that's what they say ....
Posted by: Barbara || 10/08/2011 12:46 Comments || Top||

#8  "...penetrate 20 meters of concrete."

So drop *another* bomb. Or two. Anything worth blowing up is worth blowing up real good.
Posted by: SteveS || 10/08/2011 13:15 Comments || Top||

#9  even if a single bomb doesn't actually penetrate, it displaces concrete, and creates pressure that has to go somewhere. You would not likely leave that bunker upright and in one piece with your senses intact
Posted by: Frank G || 10/08/2011 13:22 Comments || Top||

#10  Believe they did this for the Palace bunker in Baghdad in 2003. Granted it was pointless to bomb it in the first place since Saddam wasn't there but they still did one then another strategy.
Posted by: Charles || 10/08/2011 16:18 Comments || Top||

#11  Even if the concrete is 21 meters thick, if the penetrator reaches 20 meters before exploding, you do not want to be in the bunker. There is an effect known as spalling, which means sharp fast-moving pieces of the concrete are blasted loose from the INSIDE section of the bunker, and then bounce around until they hit something soft and stick in it; or pulverize from impact.
Posted by: Shieldwolf || 10/08/2011 18:29 Comments || Top||

#12  Besides, 20 meters translates to 66 FEET of poured concrete. And if it is not properly reinforced with rebar, it has a major problem with structural failure and collapse when subjected to an internal blast wave. Besides which, it is a bear to work with that much concrete, and avoid bubbles and voids in what you have poured.
Posted by: Shieldwolf || 10/08/2011 18:33 Comments || Top||

#13  My bad, 20 meters is only 65 FEET. I am not sure that extra foot would matter all that much.
Posted by: Shieldwolf || 10/08/2011 18:36 Comments || Top||

#14  A 60+ ft perimeter of solid concrete is a helluva lot of concrete. Not many places that it would be practical to build, where it will require such resources.
Posted by: Scooter McGruder || 10/08/2011 22:34 Comments || Top||

#15  it would require cooling water to carry away the heat of hydration if poured quickly. If poured slowly, it would get its' own GPS coordinate
Posted by: Frank G || 10/08/2011 22:37 Comments || Top||

#16  Why not threaten someone pencilneck actually cares about?
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 10/08/2011 23:24 Comments || Top||


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