RIYADH, Saudi Arabia, July 27 (UPI) -- Security forces arrested four people in western Saudi Arabia suspected of having links with al-Qaida, officials said Wednesday. Interior Ministry spokesman, Maj. Gen. Mansour bin Sultan al-Turki was quoted by the daily al-Jazeera as saying security forces captured the suspects in Medina.
"The people who were seized are believed to belong to the strayed group and they were referred to the concerned authorities for interrogation," Turki said. "Strayed group" is the official description of al-Qaida.
Turki did not identify the names or nationalities of the suspects and did not say how the capture operation took place or whether arms were seized. Saudi Arabia has been rocked by terrorist attacks since May 2003 in which more than a 100 people were killed.
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Of course they were.
I'm trying to figure something out about Nayef and the Saudi approach to this cops 'n splodeydopes thingy. Is it that they don't really understand the Catch 'n Release thingy or are they truly devious and have invented their own approach, Release 'n Catch?
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"The people who were seized are believed to belong to the strayed group and they were referred to the concerned authorities for interrogation."
After a substantial amount of ass-kickings and face-beatings, the suspects will come around to the proper view which is (a) accept unconditionally the authority of the Al-Saud ruling clan and (b) claim that you strayed because Zionist-Jewish agents led you astray.
Whereupon if such conditions are met, you are free to return to Soddy society.
Security forces yesterday arrested four terror suspects in Madinah. No casualties were reported in the early morning operation that took place in the southwest of the holy city, said Interior Ministry spokesman Gen. Mansour Al-Turki. The new arrests came a day after Saudi security forces captured Muhammad ibn Saeed Al-Siyam Al-Amri and two of his associates in Madinah and another terror suspect in Riyadh.
A 20-year-old Saudi girl helped police locate Al-Amri, No. 10 on a government list of 36 wanted terrorists. The girl, Nahed, saw Al-Amri enter a residential building, Al-Madinah Arabic newspaper reported. The girl told her relatives and neighbors who notified police who then arrested the suspect. Teams from the police and Special Forces surrounded the building in Al-Kurdi neighborhood in Madinah before moving in to arrest him. Nahed was quoted by the newspaper as saying she spotted the man covering his face and standing in the apartment building where she lives. He left and later came back and stood in front of their apartment as if he was waiting for someone. âHe was going up and down the stairs repeatedly. I suspected that he was up to something and I informed my relatives and neighbors. A terrorist was arrested earlier in our neighborhood and I suspected that he might be one of them because he was not acting normally,â Nahed said.
Nahedâs father told Al-Madinah that his daughter woke him up at 12 a.m., saying a strange man was in the apartment building. âI went to check the situation and saw no one, so I went back to sleep.â At 3 a.m. the same man returned to the apartment building. Nahed then called her neighbors. Nahedâs father said the suspect was in âa terrible condition. He was scared and sitting on the stairs drinking water. When neighbors asked for his identification card, he gave it to them and tried to escape.â Police, who had arrived by then, arrested him.
The father of the terror suspect said he was happy his son was arrested and in police custody as he and his family are loyal to the government and did not approve their sonâs actions. He first found out that his son was on the wanted list on leaving hospital. âMy son was recently employed at a relief organization. He later disappeared for more than 7 months.â Musharaf ibn Abdullah, leader of the Al-Amri tribe in Al-Namas province in the south of the Kingdom, said he was happy to hear the news of the arrest.
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Nahed was quoted by the newspaper as saying she spotted the man covering his face and standing in the apartment building where she lives.
It seems irresponsible to me that the press would so specifically identify this girl. But then, when has the press been responsible? If she winds up tortured and dead, I hope this reporter is happy.
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I thought the Saudi procedure was to arrest somebody, anybody, then either put their name on the list of top terrorists or assign them the name of a top terrorist. If so, this woman shouldn't have to worry - they probably just arrested some homeless guy hanging out in a stairwell.
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I agree with 2b. This reporter, like 90% of them are nothing much higher than worms. This young woman-not a girl (She's 20, remember) has got guts. I hope she stays safe...
There are claims in the US that police found 16 bombs in a car used by the July 7 bombers. The car was discovered at Luton station five days after the attacks which left 56 people dead. US network ABC said detectives found explosives and nail bombs inside the car. The vehicle had been left in a car park, suggesting the bombers themselves or others intended to pick it up later. It is thought to have been rented by suicide bomber Shehzad Tanweer, who blew himself up on a train at Aldgate on July 7. Inside were homemade high explosives flat-packed like pancakes. One image showed large nails bulging out of the side of a bottle-shaped bomb.
The first pictures of the bloody aftermath of the July 7 bombings were also broadcast by ABC News. They showed the carnage inside the train near King's Cross on which bomber Germaine Lindsay killed himself and 26 others. The sides, roof and floor of the train had been blown apart and wires dangled down across what remained of the carriage.
The Times Online also has the story with more details and pictures. Sky is running slow today.
More civilians have been killed by the Americans and the British than have been killed by these attacks.
Prime Minister:
Excuse me. First of all - I don't accept that at all incidentally - but secondly there is all the difference in the world in us taking action against these terrorists and as will happen when military action is taken innocent civilians get killed. We deeply regret every one of those lives. They don't regret the loss of innocent, civilian life. They rejoice in it, that is their purpose. And all the instability in Iraq would stop tomorrow if these terrorists and insurgents stopped. And my point to you Adam is, I am making a more fundamental point because I actually don't think the public is in quite the position that you think they are. Yes, it is true that of course they see these issues as linked in some way. Yes they do. But they also know perfectly well that we cannot give these people any shred of justification for what they do. And when people say, and I have read this over the past few days, people talk about this as if we are doing this in Iraq, they are doing this here. There is more or less an equivalent. Until we get rid of this frankly complete nonsense in trying to build some equivalence between what we are doing helping Iraqis and Afghans get their democracy and these people going in deliberately killing wholly innocent people for the sake of it, until we eliminate that we are not going to confront this ideology in the way it needs to be confronted and my point to you is this, it is time we stopped saying OK we abhor their methods, but we kind of see something in their ideas or maybe they have got a sliver of excuse or justification. They have got no justification for it.
Can I say, OUCH!
And one other thing I want to say whilst I am on this subject if I might, neither have they any justification for killing people in Israel either. Let us just get that out of the way as well. There is no justification for suicide bombing whether in Palestine, in Iraq, in London, in Egypt, in Turkey, anywhere, in the United States of America. There is no justification for it period and we will start to beat this when we stand up and confront the ideology of this evil. Not just the methods but the ideas. When we actually have people going into the communities here in this country and elsewhere and saying I am sorry, we are not having any of this nonsense about it is to do with what the British are doing in Iraq or Afghanistan, or support for Israel, or support for America, or any of the rest of it. It is nonsense, and we have got to confront it as that. And when we confront it as that, then we will start to beat it.
Read the whole thing... And we think GWB has problems with the press.... Geez...
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Just reading the questions is enough to make one retch.
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I'd only ask that he reverse this tiny bit, as it would make all the difference in clarifying the actual war underway:
"ideology of this evil"
Then he'd get my vote, moronic domestic policies or not. On this occasion he has truly stepped up and delivered. Good on ya, Tony.
Thx, BigEd - I wanted to see the reference to Israel that Tony (UK) mentioned this morning, and which Rooters (IIRC) left OUT of their twisted Jooo-hating agenda-driven half-assed reporting.
#3
Blair is just digging a bigger hole for himself. He says there's no justification for terrorism, quite rightly, but he forgets there was no justification for the Iraqi oil war and that he had to lie to get the UK involved. The sooner he goes the better.
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GG3024 - The "oil war" tag is at best specious on the facts but go ahead, suit yourself. There were some very good justifications for the ouster of Saddam Hussein but you'll be forgiven for taking the myopic short term view. My personal favorite comes to mind at the moment. Although they may not care for the present mayhem and uncertainty or be thrilled about the need for foreign troops on location, you'd be hardpressed to find more than a few kurds or shia (a large majority of Iraq mind you) who'd have Saddam or a sunni dictatorship again. As to Blair he is surely not without his shortcomings but I'd put it to you that he has been one of the more intelligent, articulate, thoughtful, sincere and effective leaders since (now put down your cup laddie) Thatcher. Would you refer to have Precious Georgie Galloway or similar scum at the helm? Indulge us and propound upon why it was that London got targeted and what it will take to change that state of affairs.
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How did we in the West end up with so many fools who so obviously seek to undermine everything we do for freedom and prosperity? you know, journalists who "ask" questions begging moral equivalence, posters who "know" it's all about oil, demonstrators who "support" our troops, and millions who march for Saddam.
This is not a rhetorical question. I am puzzled by the sheer number and audacity of these fools. If it were the 18th century I'd long have killed dozens of them in duel.
#8
Blair may be intelligent & articulate, compared to most American politicians, but it's easy to see through him particularly when he switches to his "emotional mode". Yes I would prefer Georgie Galloway, he made mincemeat of that dumb Senator, or Gordon Brown. Blair is a liar, he's not trusted by the majority of British people.
As for the reasons the USA spent $200 billion "liberating Iraq" and turning it into a moonscape, that was oil, not a single doubt about it.
Why don't you call him Bliar while you're at it. And can't you see it was cheaper to turn Iraq into a moonscape for the sake of Haliburton experiments, rather than going to the moon again? $200b is cheap. Plus we needed to destroy Iraq so that oil prices would rise to $60. Next we'll turn Afghanistan into a moonscape too!
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Kalle, About your #7, I think it may come to that in the end. The GG's of the world "believe," and cannot be convinced otherwise. My grandfather used to say that only a fool arges with a fool. If true, where does that leave us?
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GG - Ah, you are a sharp one. Galloway's opportunism and psuedosocialist talk warms your wee little heart does it. Feels good so it must be. You like living in a free, democratic and civil society? Best not cast your lot with a demagogue like Galloway. By the time you wake up to become disillusioned the choices will no longer be yours to make. You'd trust him would you. Humor me more laddie! When he's dead and gone you'd find his legacy impossible to shrug off. His ilk live for lemmings like you. They feed on them. Hundreds every day. On a related topic when would you prefer the more calculating and cold-blooded among the IRA to start up again? Oh, and what of the shia and kurds in Iraq anyway? Perhaps you are correct GG. In the end the war might be in part about oil and how the revenue from that pumped out of Iraq might benefit the shia and kurds as well as a sunni clique and their minions.
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Well at the moment it looks like the USA is creaming off all the oil revenue. Yes oil is $60 and that wasn't planned, but neither was the oil line being popped very few days by the "insurgents".
Incidentally and as a matter of interest, if you don't accept the obvious, what do you think the illegal invasion was all about, if not for oil?
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Oh my a totaly blind fuckwitt. Illegal war? According to whom? The TRANZIs? The MSM? Anyone who counts. You "enlightened" types were happy with the mass graves, industrial shredding of people and government workers who job descriptions were rapist. Take your silly games and be gone.
I am guessing this assclown has an "Oxford" IP. It's the same old tripe.
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LOL. DocB methinks they are siamese twins and therefore technically not tag teaming. The surgery to split them couldn't be contemplated because it was found that between the two nutters there wasn't even a full brain, let alone enough for two human beings. Funny, it seems the heart was also atrophied to about 20 sizes too small. All in all not very good for a human but just right for a lemming and one half.
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If the war wasn't approved by the UN it's an illegal war. Mass graves? Most have been caused by the USA and no, it's just a fantasy about industrial shredders, just as WMD, links with terrorism etc.
Now this is real;
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UN trumps US war approval? Bwahahahah - Go f&6k your UN approval. We don't need it. Same UN that gave Saddam Oilfor food money to spend on palaces while his people starved and were killed? You immoral assholes preach anything to me, you'll get a shiner at best. Liars and tranzi whores for a minor-league hitler is all you are. The only thing you should convey is your apologies to the dead in the mass graves
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How freaking dumb are you? The NYT has already posted a correction of that article. But then, of course they have since THEY ARE RUN BY THE US GOVERNMENT!! (Cue scary music)
And if it were for oil, why didn't we just do a deal with Saddam? Everyone could have made millions. Oh, that would be logic getting in the way wouldn't it. That nasty for profit business mentality.
Go back to crawling your feet up the wall and trying to suck your own dick.
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So long, Thuque Ulavitle9640. I'm sure you'll crawl back from under that rock with a new name soon. This one is on the Poop list.
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International Law? Show me that?
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You quote int'l law to justify your support for evil. I point to the fact that International law (the ICC, etal) have no jurisdiction over their betters.
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There's a huge difference between contrary views and outright lies, you, whatever your name is. The mass graves in Iraq were certainly not caused by U.S. soldiers and you know that very well. As for the war, Saddam Hussein violated several resolutions which the U.N. passed, but was too greedy (based on the fact that several members of the U.N. were accepting oil bribes under the condition that they would not uphold their own resolutions) to enforce. Therefore, if Saddam's war crimes did not justify it already, the U.S. had a perfect excuse for going to war. I suggest that you better familiarize yourself with reality before you make any more allegations against the United States.
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Should we put Saddam back in power? let him torture and murder forever? You, GG/TU/UU are disgusting and there is no innocent reason for your propaganda. You do not deserve to live in the free world. Keep up your work and your life will be short.
The liberation of Iraq was and is a noble act, principally motivated by American self-interest: the end of a murderous tyrant who has supported terrorists for decades, the spread of free institutions in the Middle East, and the positioning of military forces to take out other tyrannies in the Middle East.
There is no need to beg for UN permission for such good deeds, on the contrary it has become evident that the UN is a tool used by evil forces to perpetuate tyranny around the world. We've had enough of it. We don't need any more of your contemptible lies.
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Yes I would prefer Georgie Galloway, he made mincemeat of that dumb Senator, or Gordon Brown. Blair is a liar, he's not trusted by the majority of British people. As for the reasons the USA spent $200 billion "liberating Iraq" and turning it into a moonscape, that was oil, not a single doubt about it.
What kind of fool believes that.... oh, yeah, that's right: you're a student from Oxford. My son (or maybe daughter), we have a little saying in the United States: you have been educated beyond your intelligence. Let me help you out:
1) George Galloway is a political water boy who cringes for the highest (or perhaps lowest) bidder. That was the Marxists/Greens, now itâs the Muslims. Whatever: he will go to any length keep his cushy job feeding off of the public trough. Just like most other politicians.
2) The ability to yell tired platitudes louder than Sen Norm Coleman can ask you questions does not make you an intellectual giant. It doesnât even make you an intellectual. It just makes you loud.
3) If we wanted Saddamâs oil we simply could simply have bought it from him. It would have been easier and cheaper in both the short as well as long term. A ten-year-old could tell you that, so please donât insult anybodiesâ intelligence by implying that Bush and Blair somehow could not.
4) I spent some time there back in the 90's: great architecture, good food, pretty girls. Forget about arguing with us, leave your dorm room, and go have some fun. Life is too short.
5) You know, we had one of you Oxford guys as president. His "grasp" of foreign policy was remarkably similar to yours. A nice guy, but a very bad president as his inaction helped to create exactly the situation we are arguing about right now.
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Um Fred, what's the IP class this twit is using? I'd block randomly 25 at a pop. Most wankers have a short attention span and are easily frustrated.
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Yes, I'm sure you will. In the meanwhile, we'll just filter out this second name, issue a strongly worded report to your Internet Service Provider ... and take a few other steps we don't need to discuss here.
#32
Yes I would prefer Georgie Galloway, he made mincemeat of that dumb Senator, or Gordon Brown. Blair is a liar, he's not trusted by the majority of British people.
Georgie? Georgie?!
Most Londoners at this moment, apart from the mooks who voted for him, would like to beat him to death with a shovel.
'I salute your courage, your strength, and your indefatigability.' Strewth. Chat with any Iraqis in the UK? Any Kurds? Dick.
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So, UU you DO wish Saddam were still in power. Shall we return him to power? after all, he's never done anything bad, according to you. And if he did, it was all the USA's fault anyway, right?
Just one question to settle your claims, just ONE: Have you ever heard of Abu Nidal? that will take care of your "no links with terrorism". And everything else you say can be and has been refuted.
#34
Please yourself, it won't stop me.
Secret Master-Norm Coleman was made to look the fool he is. As for just buying Saddam's oil that's not the point, it's a simpleton's view. The idea was to control the world's second largest oil reserves, pump oil as fast as possible, and undercut OPEC forcing world prices down. It hasn't worked of course because Iraq's oil supply has been routinely sabotaged.
But this is an indication of what was at stake.;
"In the past, dependence on oil has cost our economy dearly. Oil price shocks and price manipulation by the OPEC cartel from 1979 to 1991 cost the U.S. economy about $4 trillion, almost as much as we spent on national defence over the same time period and more than the interest payments on the national debt. Each major price shock of the past three decades was followed by an economic recession in the United States. With growing U.S. imports and increasing world dependence on OPEC oil, future price shocks are possible and would be costly to the U.S. economy."
(Source: U.S. Department of Energy, Spring 2002.)
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Can't figure out this linking concept, can you?
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Who do I believe, kid, these guys or you? If so, why? What are your sources?
Since the Saddam Hussein regime was overthrown in May, 270 mass graves have been reported. By mid-January, 2004, the number of confirmed sites climbed to fifty-three. Some graves hold a few dozen bodiesâtheir arms lashed together and the bullet holes in the backs of skulls testimony to their execution. Other graves go on for hundreds of meters, densely packed with thousands of bodies.
"We've already discovered just so far the remains of 400,000 people in mass graves," said British Prime Minister Tony Blair on November 20 in London. The United Nations, the U.S. State Department, Amnesty International, and Human Rights Watch (HRW) all estimate that Saddam Hussein's regime murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent people. "Human Rights Watch estimates that as many as 290,000 Iraqis have been 'disappeared' by the Iraqi government over the past two decades," said the group in a statement in May. "Many of these 'disappeared' are those whose remains are now being unearthed in mass graves all over Iraq."
If these numbers prove accurate, they represent a crime against humanity surpassed only by the Rwandan genocide of 1994, Pol Pot's Cambodian killing fields in the 1970s, and the Nazi Holocaust of World War II.
Come on now: put down that copy of Das Kapital and go have a pint. I seem to remember The Eagle and Child on St Giles was pretty nice. Tolkien and CS Lewis used to drink there if I am not mistaken.
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Kalle- Well actually yes I would prefer Saddam to the Mongol hoards. Certainly less people losing their lives, hospitals, electricity and water in a much better state than now. As for your mention of Abu Nidal that's a very tenious link at the best. Saddam and Bid laden were not exactly the best of pals.
Peter Beaumont, foreign affairs editor
Sunday July 18, 2004
The Observer
Downing Street has admitted to The Observer that repeated claims by Tony Blair that '400,000 bodies had been found in Iraqi mass graves' is untrue, and only about 5,000 corpses have so far been uncovered.
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ROFL! We haven't had an asshole this determined since Boris' glory days!
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Editors, I read through this thread and the troll is doing what he did last night, which is to throw out a bunch of allegations, long quotes from dubious sources and not respond to counter-arguments. In addition he (I doubt its a she) is using abusive terms and phrasing like 'rightwing rabble', which I suspect is unconcious and standard in the circles he moves in.
Yesterday he was entertaining for a couple of hours, today he is just noise. I propose you TROLL him.
#43
We've seen this story before. The Leftist drone will make wild charges, cut and past in text from lying tranzi moonbat sites that we've all seen a hundred times pasted in by previous (or the same?) moonbats, then change topics and accusations as each is refuted with the same facts as the moonbat yesterday was hit with.
BORING.
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Enough of this moron. No more feeding the trolls. He has said he would prefer Saddam back in power. He does not deserve response-one from the other readers of this site. He will have judges far more harsh than us to deal with in the future.
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UU5507: a quick rebuttal, you deserve nothing more.
1) Various UN and non-US NGOâs have been excavating the mass graves in Iraq. The 400,000 number is firm and from them. More are being uncovered every day.
If it was only 30,000, would that mean it was okay for Saddam to murder women and children?
2) The U.S. did not supply poison gas to either Iraq or Iran in their war; both sides made their own. The ingredients for chlorine, phosgene, and nerve gas are common, and any moderately technical, industrial society can make them. It is not hard. Even you could do it with a bucket of ammonia and a bucket of bleach (donât try this at home).
3) The sanctions did not kill 500,000 children; that was a number Saddam bantered around. Virtually all of the images and words put out by the Iraqi regime during the time of sanctions was a lie, and is acknowledged as such -- bitterly -- by Iraqis today. There was no DU poisoning, and the âdead babiesâ parades were expressly organized by Saddam to dupe people like you.
If we accept that the sanctions were harmful, to the extent that children were dying, removing the sanctions by removing Saddam would be good, would it not?
4) The U.S. did not arm Saddam. According to the UN Agency for Disarmament, which monitors arm sales around the world, the USSR/Russia provided Saddam with 57% of his foreign arms purchases. China supplied another 13%. The US provided 0.03%.
Note that the Iraqi army was equipped with Russian tanks, not American, used Russian AK-47 rifles, not M-16s, flew Russian aircraft, not American, and so on.
5) The number of Iraqi civilians dead as a result of the liberation, and in the time thereafter, is about 25,000. This includes the civilians killed by the Baâathists and jihadis.
6) The liberation was not illegal under American law. American law does not recognize the UN Charter as supreme, nor does it recognize other international conventions as supplanting our own Constitution. The U.S. Congress expressly authorized the action, and that makes it legal for us.
Iâll say it again: we donât recognize international law as superior to our own.
7) If we wanted Iraqi oil, we could have bought it. Dick Cheney would have negotiated for it over breakfast and a tortured Kurd. Saddam offered to sell us oil at below-market price if we dropped the sanctions.
Further, if we wanted to go to war for oil, weâd invade Alberta. Itâs closer.
8) There were numerous, extensive links between Saddam and international terrorists, including Al Qaeda. This has been documented by several investigators. Saddam supported various Palestinian terrorist groups, supported terrorist groups in neighboring countries, and had contacts with Al Qaeda that included protecting various al-Q people.
That will do for a start. However, you'll be in read-only mode for R-burg, as I will shortly be trolling your ass. AoS.
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Secret Master have you been brain washed in some way?
Not unless you count my Anglican education.
You seem totally out of touch with world opinion.
Naw, kid, I just don't care about world opinion. Listen the article you provided also says that "Forensic examination of grave sites has been hampered by lack of security in Iraq, amid widespread complaints by human rights organisations that until recently the graves have not been secured and protected."
I would also like to mention that al-Gaurdian is not exactly a respectable news source. It's more like the Pravda of the British left.
#47
Facts Lawrence? You don't have any facts just fantasies.
I see your moderators are busy deleting my facts already, obviously too sensitive for your eyes.
Live in ignorance if you want, keep denying the truth as long as possible. Your Government-your problem.
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the guardian will not be in business in 5 yrs - Britons are waking up to teh cancer within, and it may extend to comfy sinecures at Oxford for unemployed parasites students who espouse ideology that would make them more welcome elsewhere. We'll see how Daddy and Mum feel about your leechhood then., ta-ta
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:-)
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Anything to the left of Genghis Khan is left wing compared to you Secret master.
Let's all get together and make excuses for ME powers and give them a break? And all those poor powerless countires, lets make America leave them alone, am I hearing you right?
Too bad British Academia is working so hard to paint the US as evil. Perhaps you should stick to your coffee house chatter with your islamofascist boyfriend.
You understand the bombers, and why they hit your subway, assmunch? Do you feel sorry for them for suffering under the evil West? Take your happy ass to live in Waziristan then bitch boy.
So, piss off Oxford boy until you have something valid to say.
#65
The moonbats love international law. You know, Hitler WOULD have effectively written international law if the allies hadn't put paid to his reign of terror. Whether our course of action to protect ourselves (and our feckless compatriots in the West) against this century's totalitarianism is correct or not can be discussed, but don't even try to suggest that it is illegal for us to protect our nation. Internation LAW is a fiction beloved of Tranzi fools and leftist fellow travellers.
#67
Another unsufferable display of pompous authoritarianism by an ignorant Euro-bigot. Has Oxford really sunk so low? Given what has happened at my alma mater of Cornell, it is at least possible.
The Guardianistas and like-minded media tools are probably the most evil and depraved large group of people in history, Nazis and Bolsheviks notwithstanding. Some of the latter totalitarians acted from principle; hateful, perverse and demonic priniciples it is truth, but principles just the same. The media beasts incite terrorism and taunt its victims out of greed and a kind of sadistic joy in otherwise useless power of their own nihilism. They are vermin and they should be exterminated.
#71
You seem totally out of touch with world opinion.
Kind of like Winston Churchill was when he and Great Britain held out alone against the Nazis in the darkest hours of WWII. I pray that fighting spirit remains on your island, and that you are an aberration.
#72
Just after 9-11, Guardian pig Charlotte Raven produced a terror-apologist screed entitled "A Bully With a Bloody Nose is Still a Bully," the bully in question being the United States.
Our bullying apparently consists of Saddam Hussein his ambition to massacre Shiites and Kurds and resume his quest for weapons of mass destruction. Another cause of grief and resentment among the Islamofascists and their British whores is, of course, our failure to allow a new Holocaust in Israel. In fact, Raven's column is pure projection, since her anger and that of her Muslim masters is based purely on our failure to accede their terror-backed demands.
A few weeks later, a different Guardian trollop demanded that the dead from the WTC be left unidentified so the money that would be spent on this could be donated to third world dictators as an absolution of American sins. It is one thing to criticize, it is another to incite the murder of innocents. Al Guardian goes beyond even the latter, not only inciting the murder of innocents but taunting their grieving families by dehumanizing the murdered.
Raven needs her own rather prominent nose hacked off and handed to her, or perhaps cooked first and served up to Fisk, Pilger, and Galloway as their final meal.
I am not engaging in simple invective when I call these people whores. Arab investors and philanthropists own the academic community and the investor class in the UK. The media beasts are second order prostitutes, catering not to the paymasters directly but to the first order prostitutes who do. They are worse than Streicher, who committed his depraved acts for a nominal salary.
#75
"Blair is a liar, he's not trusted by the majority of British people."
Ummm, so that's why the majority of British people voted for him?
I read this as being some Paki or Saudi who's attending summer school at Oxford. He can't go home for the summer because either:
a. He's on the shit list back at home, or...
b. He doesn't have a valid U.K. visa anymore and won't be able to come back, or...
c. His welfare benefits would end if he left that long, or...
d. He failed "Introduction to Logic" and has to take it again, or...
e. All of the above.
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he's on the janitorial staff and can only access computers after real users are gone? Hellooooo Mr. minimum wage! Can you say "Malt vinegar with them chips"?
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OR: he could be a student keeping weird hours or a net admin pulling the late shift or .....
#79
Great reply Steve. I only wish verifiable facts meant anything to a hard leftist like Oxford. A few clarifications:
1. The number of known mass graves is now over 300 with an estimated 500,000 bodies (Der Spiegel, May 20 2005).
2. Iraqi mustard gas was of Soviet process and the equipment for Tabin, Sarin, and VX came primarily from Germany.
3. That bogus UNICEF report was written by officials of Saddam's Ministry of Health and isn't fit to be toilet paper.
4. Don't forget Iraq got 13% of its arms from France. Iraq owed each of these countries a lot of money for those arms.
5. This year about 800 Iraqi civilians/month are dying with terrorist car bombs and criminal (Sunni and Baathist) gangs taking almost the whole total.
7. Too bad it isn't an oil war. Think of the 20 million barrels/day of sweet, sweet crude in the Persian Gulf for the taking and 10s of millions of Arab refugees streaming into Europe for Oxford to genuflect over. A true win-win.
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Ed - you might wanna Macro that true response for all the good it does against "true believers"
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The morality of International Law is much more suspicious than Bush's FORMER connections with the Oil industry: It arose as a mutual recognition of the divine right of kings, who were given, by that same law, the "freedom" to slaughter their own citizens with as much abandon as Saddam has to his own citizens. Even though the term "crime against humanity" was not invented until the 20th century, that does not detract from the fact that it describes actions that had been done for millentia before that. The Church, at the time, demanded that such crimes be punished, usually by one king invading and conquering another. The kings made agreements among themselves, fabricating the basic tenets of mutual non-interference so that they would not be under threat from each other. They then would cite "international law" to the church and justify non-intervention on the basis of needing to "keep one's word".
Those citing International Law in the face of systematic murder are the New Pharisees, more intent on ensuring that the letter of the law is kept while ignoring the human suffering being excused and overlooked by it. And like the Old Pharisees, the New Ones only recognize violations of morality when OTHERS do it, but never when THEY do it.
#82
This may be a shock to you but the US doesn't get to write International Law, Hitler thought the same thing until 1945. It was of course the sanctions that the USA threatened to veto any attempt to relinquish that caused starvation and the death of 500,000 Iraqi children.
I asked for the reasons you lot think Iraq was invaded if it wasn't for the oil. None of you have so far managed to come up with an excuse.
Incidentally MODERATOR I was promised last night that I was able to post contrary views to the right wing rabble that you have on this forum as long as I didn't become abusive. As you will note all the abuse has come from your regulars.
Why are you so frightened of hearing contrary views?
#83
Have you forgotten already how Powell went to the UN with a pack of lies about WMD in order to try and get another UN Resolution authorising an invasion? Why do you think he did that?
#84
The maximum mass graves found under Saddam's time amount to 30,000 and not the ridiculous claim of 400,000 made by Bush. These mass graves were the result of a war between Iraq and Iran when both sides used gas supplied by the USA. Colin Powell's turkey shoot resulted in mass graves of over 100,000 and the latest genocide since Mar 2003 amounts to over 120,000. This of course doesn't include the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children killed by the vindictive sanctions, but these of course were buried individually in most cases.
The only proven cases of oil bribes actually involve American companies or individuals. As for the UN being used as an evil tool, that's true in a way, the USA has vetoed more resolutions than any other nation and some very good and beneficial resolutions at that.
There was no excuse for the illegal invasion, no WMD, no links with terrorism, no human shredders, no torture chambers although there are now. The USA has acted illegally and will eventually be called to account.
#86
Blair is just digging a bigger hole for himself. He says there's no justification for terrorism, quite rightly, but he forgets there was no justification for the Iraqi oil war and that he had to lie to get the UK involved. The sooner he goes the better.
#87
Blair may be intelligent & articulate, compared to most American politicians, but it's easy to see through him particularly when he switches to his "emotional mode". Yes I would prefer Georgie Galloway, he made mincemeat of that dumb Senator, or Gordon Brown. Blair is a liar, he's not trusted by the majority of British people.
As for the reasons the USA spent $200 billion "liberating Iraq" and turning it into a moonscape, that was oil, not a single doubt about it.
#88
Well at the moment it looks like the USA is creaming off all the oil revenue. Yes oil is $60 and that wasn't planned, but neither was the oil line being popped very few days by the "insurgents".
Incidentally and as a matter of interest, if you don't accept the obvious, what do you think the illegal invasion was all about, if not for oil?
#89
If the war wasn't approved by the UN it's an illegal war. Mass graves? Most have been caused by the USA and no, it's just a fantasy about industrial shredders, just as WMD, links with terrorism etc.
Now this is real;
Pentagon Blocks Release of Abu Ghraib Images: Here's Why
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000990590
By Greg Mitchell
Published: July 23, 2005 6:00 PM ET
NEW YORK So what is shown on the 87 photographs and four videos from Abu Ghraib prison that the Pentagon, in an eleventh hour move, blocked from release this weekend? One clue: Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told Congress last year, after viewing a large cache of unreleased images: "I mean, I looked at them last night, and they're hard to believe.â They show acts "that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhumane," he added.
A Republican Senator suggested the same day they contained scenes of ârape and murder.â No wonder Rumsfeld commented then, "If these are released to the public, obviously it's going to make matters worse."
Yesterday, news emerged that lawyers for the Pentagon had refused to cooperate with a federal judge's order to release dozens of unseen photographs and videos from Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq by Saturday. The photos were among thousands turned over by the key âwhistleblowerâ in the scandal, Specialist Joseph M. Darby. Just a few that were released to the press sparked the Abu Ghraib abuse scandal last year, and the video images are said to be even more shocking.
The Pentagon lawyers said in a letter sent to the federal court in Manhattan that they would file a sealed brief explaining their reasons for not turning over the material. They had been ordered to do so by a federal judge in response to a FOIA lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union. The ACLU accused the government Friday of putting another legal roadblock in the way of its bid to allow the public to see the images of the prisoner abuse scandal.
One Pentagon lawyer has argued that they should not be released because they would only add to the humiliation of the prisoners. But the ACLU has said the faces of the victims can easily be "redacted."
To get a sense of what may be shown in these images, one has to go back to press reports from when the Abu Ghraib abuse scandal was still front page news.
This is how CNN reported it on May 8, 2004, in a typical account that day:
âU.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld revealed Friday that videos and âa lot more picturesâ exist of the abuse of Iraqis held at Abu Ghraib prison.
"âIf these are released to the public, obviously it's going to make matters worse,â Rumsfeld told the Senate Armed Services Committee. âI mean, I looked at them last night, and they're hard to believe.â
âThe embattled defense secretary fielded sharp and skeptical questions from lawmakers as he testified about the growing prisoner abuse scandal. A military report about that abuse describes detainees being threatened, sodomized with a chemical light and forced into sexually humiliating poses.
âCharges have been brought against seven service members, and investigations into events at the prison continue.
âMilitary investigators have looked into -- or are continuing to investigate -- 35 cases of alleged abuse or deaths of prisoners in detention facilities in the Central Command theater, according to Army Secretary Les Brownlee. Two of those cases were deemed homicides, he said.
"âThe American public needs to understand we're talking about rape and murder here. We're not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience,â Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina told reporters after Rumsfeld testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee. âWe're talking about rape and murder -- and some very serious charges.â
âA report by Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba on the abuse at the prison outside Baghdad says videotapes and photographs show naked detainees, and that groups of men were forced to masturbate while being photographed and videotaped. Taguba also found evidence of a âmale MP guard having sex with a female detainee.â
âRumsfeld told Congress the unrevealed photos and videos contain acts 'that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhuman.ââ
The military later screened some of the images for lawmakers, who said they showed, among other things, attack dogs snarling at cowed prisoners, Iraqi women forced to expose their breasts, and naked prisoners forced to have sex with each other.
In the same period, reporter Seymour Hersh, who helped uncover the scandal, said in a speech before an ACLU convention: âSome of the worse that happened that you don't know about, ok? Videos, there are women there. Some of you may have read they were passing letters, communications out to their menâ¦.The women were passing messages saying âPlease come and kill me, because of what's happened.â
âBasically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys/children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. The worst about all of them is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror it's going to come out.â
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Please yourself, it won't stop me.
Secret Master-Norm Coleman was made to look the fool he is. As for just buying Saddam's oil that's not the point, it's a simpleton's view. The idea was to control the world's second largest oil reserves, pump oil as fast as possible, and undercut OPEC forcing world prices down. It hasn't worked of course because Iraq's oil supply has been routinely sabotaged.
But this is an indication of what was at stake.;
"In the past, dependence on oil has cost our economy dearly. Oil price shocks and price manipulation by the OPEC cartel from 1979 to 1991 cost the U.S. economy about $4 trillion, almost as much as we spent on national defence over the same time period and more than the interest payments on the national debt. Each major price shock of the past three decades was followed by an economic recession in the United States. With growing U.S. imports and increasing world dependence on OPEC oil, future price shocks are possible and would be costly to the U.S. economy."
(Source: U.S. Department of Energy, Spring 2002.)
#91
Kalle- Well actually yes I would prefer Saddam to the Mongol hoards. Certainly less people losing their lives, hospitals, electricity and water in a much better state than now. As for your mention of Abu Nidal that's a very tenious link at the best. Saddam and Bid laden were not exactly the best of pals.
Peter Beaumont, foreign affairs editor
Sunday July 18, 2004
The Observer
Downing Street has admitted to The Observer that repeated claims by Tony Blair that '400,000 bodies had been found in Iraqi mass graves' is untrue, and only about 5,000 corpses have so far been uncovered.
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Facts Lawrence? You don't have any facts just fantasies.
I see your moderators are busy deleting my facts already, obviously too sensitive for your eyes.
Live in ignorance if you want, keep denying the truth as long as possible. Your Government-your problem.
#96
Anything to the left of Genghis Khan is left wing compared to you Secret master. The Guardian actually holds the centre ground in real life and Tony Blair admitted that the 400,000 figure was untrue. Won't stop you continuing to use it though I suppose.
The 400,000 figure was invented by the White House, passed to Tony Blair and the world's media, just like WMD and links with terrorism.
Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it. Rather sums up the concern Americans have for Iraqis
#99
Well they also hired Boris Johnson who is about as right wing as you can get. That's the advantage of living in England, you get a variety of views, something which is obviously discouraged in the States and on the discussion board. It explains perhaps why you are all out of touch with reality.
From The Independent, Fisk's paper. Add salt as needed. EFL
Said Ibrahim was also reported to have grown a beard and to have begun wearing traditional dress. A neighbour of Ibrahim, Sarah Scott, age 23, who lives two doors down from the Stanmore home Ibrahim used to live with his parents, described a conversation they had last November. "We were standing outside our houses chatting. He asked me if I was religious and I said I did not believe in anything. He said I should. He told me he was going to get 80 not 72? virgins when he got to heaven if he praised Allah.
"He smiled and laughed as he said it, then he gave me this book about Islam and told me to read it.
Miss Scott, a shop assistant, said Ibrahim had visited his parents' home two weeks ago. She said he had never mentioned jihad or terrorism, but gave her a pamphlet, Understanding Islam, with highlighted passages, one of which read: "Anyone who says 'there is no God except Allah' and dies holding to that will enter paradise."
Funny that "paradise" is full of fire and brimstone.
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Reading the article at the link you'll learn that before they were incompetent boomers the "good lads" were still local street scum. One it appears got citizenship recently even after doing time for a violent crime. Anybody know UK immigration law and how it deals with violent criminals.
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Since no impure thoughts are allowed on earth for a good "Allanist", it would seem natural there would be a promise of a carnal orgy in the afterworld... And we wonder why they have such a low opinion of women?
There is quite a level of extreme cruelty in such a philosophy... 72? why not 80? Are we on a slippery slope?... What next 92? 100? 1000? 10,000? .... Disgusting culture, isn't it?
How about having one you are crazy about in this life and doing all sorts of "stuff" in this life?
#4
In the Koran chap 78: 31-34 have one description of heaven which might be translated to promise 'beautiful maidens with round breasts' - however, it could also be translated a 'juicy white grapes'
The specific 72 virgins idea comes from Hadith number 2,562 in the collection known as the Sunan al-Tirmidhi says, "The least for the people of Heaven is 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome of pearls, aquamarine and ruby." This could mean that each person in heaven gets 72 women or that all the people of heaven share 72 women. It is generally taken in the first way.
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Of course the 'Virgins' cannot be -er- deflowered and dont ever menstrate (sp?). Sounds to me like they lack the basic -er- equipment the Jihaldists have their panties in a [literal] knot about..
BTW: I think we need the pic of the bearded vrigins here.....
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Anybody know UK immigration law and how it deals with violent criminals.
Sounds like it deals with them about as well as US immigration law does.
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dome of pearls, aquamarine and ruby.
That imples money and weath --- but --- iff you are in Heaven WTF do you need money and wealth for?
Sounds like purgatory at best.
That said it sound really really boring...
First the virgin thing. After a max of 72 days they are not virgins anymore and between them will nag you right into hell.
80,000 servants is even worse. If they are living under domes of pearls decorated with aquamarine and ruby - it doesn't sound like they have HDTV let alone computers to help manage 80,000 servants doing some really myopic upkeep. (Maybe polishing the stupid dome?) Now managing that many folks (let alone the 72 wives) without computers and such sounds like a logistical nightmare. That brings up this problem. Why is each splodydope's dome made so poorly that it needs 80,000 servants to maintain it and him? WHAT SORT OF LOW RENT HEAVEN IS THIS?
Sound really a pain in the butt to me.
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They got it backward, Heaven ought to be were you get 72 women of ill-repute, the uninhibited, nyphomaniac type.
Hell is where you get 72 virgins. 50 year old cat lady type virgins that got smacked around with the fugly stick.
I hope Atta and his murderers are enjoying their bag ladies.
#12
Anything left of M. Atta was worm feed a long time ago. No heaven. No 72 mules. No hell. Just worm feed and the collective memory of the name of murderous scum whose tolerant faith "inspired" them.
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Actually, 3dc, it need not be consecutive days. This blog has an interesting treatment on how to maximize the "value" of 72 virgins for all eternity.
Of course, it might not be 72 (or 80) virgin humans. It could be 72 virgin camels. Male camels. And you're the bottom.
#15
says a lot that they have to promise unrealistic earthly pleasures to get these mooks to go to eternity while committing acts that most religions would say seal a fate in eternity...
confusion reigns supreme
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to believe in the teachings of the Koran: stupid
to boom people because you believe in the Koran: criminal
to watch the face of a boomer when he wakes up in "paradise": priceless
#19
Yeah, that's more than a bit stingy; heck, even sitting on a cloud playing the harp for all eternity would be better than that. At least I'd be learning to play a musical instrument...
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Boy, are these subs going to be dissappointed when they find out it's one 72 year old (or one 80 year old) virgin! Slight error in the original translation.
#21
And people still whine about Jesus stating that those who are worthy of heaven will not marry or be given away in marriage when they get there: I don't think ANYONE understood why he said that until the consequences and entailments of a religion that DOES promise unending superhuman sex in heaven were clearly seen. I think he KNEW what the consequences would be if there was even a remote indication that Sex in Heaven was a possibility.
A man was detained at Londonâs Luton Airport under the Terrorism Act, Bedfordshire Police said. He was due to fly on Ryanair to Nimes in France when he was stopped by police. The aircraft was initially delayed but after being checked by police was allowed to continue with its journey.
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Why is this arrest in the news? wouldn't it be better to keep it a secret for a few days if we're dealing with a network of terrorists and their cells?
A MAN suspected of being one of the failed London suicide bombers was being questioned by anti-terror police today after they arrested four men in dawn raids. The suspect was shot with a Taser stun gun following a scuffle with officers during a swoop on a semi-detached house in Birmingham. One witness said the arrested man looked like Yasin Hassan Omar, 24, one of the men named as a suspect in last week's attacks. Detectives had feared that Somali-born Omar had returned to his London flat following the failed bombing attempt to collect more explosives.
The suspect was taken to the high-security Paddington Green Police Station, where most key terrorist suspects are initially held, where he was being interrogated this afternoon. More than 100 homes around the scene of the raid were evacuated so that a controlled explosion could be carried out on a "suspect" package. Security sources confirmed the man being questioned in London is thought to be one of the four responsible for Thursday's botched suicide bombings.
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U.K. police arrested four men under anti-terrorism laws in Birmingham, central England, in connection with the July 21 attempted bombings on three London Underground subway trains and a bus.
Yes!!! Bravo Brits!
The four were detained at two locations in the city, West Midlands police said in an e-mailed statement. A suspect package was found at one address, forcing precautionary evacuations, and forensic tests were under way at both places. A controlled explosion will be carried out at the site of the package, a police spokeswoman said in a telephone interview.
"Bring up the robots, Nigel!"
"They say they don't want to come, sir! 'At thing looks dangerous!"
The four bombs injured no one when they partially detonated in last week's attacks, two weeks to the day after four suicide bombers blew themselves up, killing 52 passengers in attacks that also targeted three subway trains and a bus. The four would-be July 21 bombers bravely fled the scenes and are being sought.
Wait a minute... If they're still being sought, who're these guys?
Police the next day issued security camera images of the four suspects, and this week identified two of them. The two sets of attacks triggered what police have described as Britain's biggest ever investigation.
"Titus Oates? A piker!"
"Guy Fawkes? Nuttin'!"
"Jack the Ripper? A flash in the pan!"
U.K. Prime Minister Tony Blair said yesterday he favors giving police expanded powers to detain terrorist suspects beyond the 14 days allowed under current laws.
Fox News just said one of the four being sought was arrested, but as our troll pointed out yesterday, they're probably lying...
Police used a Taser stun gun to subdue one of the men, in Hay Mills, southeast Birmingham.
"Zap him, Alistair!"
[Bzdeeep!]
"Ngggggg!"
He was taken to London for questioning. The man may be one of the bombing suspects, the British Broadcasting Corp. said, citing security officials.
Guess that's why they zapped him. He's prob'ly the one Fox was talking about...
The three other men were arrested in Birmingham's Washwood Heath district, and were being held by West Midlands Police. Two other men were arrested under anti-terrorism laws late yesterday at Grantham rail station, north of London, Lincolnshire Police said in a statement on their Web site. The two men were traveling from Newcastle, to London's King's Cross station. Police didn't say whether the arrests were linked to the bombings and attempted attacks.
"And where are you gents going?"
"London's King's Cross station, copper! What's it to ya?"
"Stick 'em up!"
The U.K.'s Association of Chief Police Officers has asked for powers to hold terrorism suspects for three months instead of the current 14 days, saying it is hard to gather enough evidence in two weeks to make charges stick.
I'm getting the impression that's more a problem with the courts' rules of evidence than it is with the competence of the investigators. We've got something of the same problem here, and it seems rather worse on the continent...
The U.K.'s top police chief, Ian Blair, yesterday said in an interview with Channel Four news that the proposed changes to detention powers should have judicial oversight, with police being able to ask for extensions every 14 days up to a maximum of three months. This would allow police time to crack encryption codes on computers and to analyze other evidence they already held in some cases, he said.
Before today, detectives investigating the July 21 attacks held five men, all arrested in London. Ian Blair said yesterday none of those was among bombing suspects whose pictures had been made public. Police two days ago named two of the suspects as Muktar Said Ibrahim, a 27-year-old man of Eritrean origin also known as Muktar Mohammed Said, and Yasin Hassan Omar, a 24-year-old originally from Somalia. Both men had U.K. residency, and Said Ibrahim last year became a British citizen.
I'm sure the Queen is very happy to number him among her subjects...
Another man, Jean Charles de Menezes, a 27-year-old Brazilian electrician, was shot dead on July 22 by police after they mistakenly identified him as a suspect. He was killed in front of subway passengers at Stockwell. Ian Blair and the prime minister have both defended the shoot-to-kill policy when dealing with suicide bombing suspects. The policy was introduced after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington, with police instructed to shoot to the head rather than to the body, as before. ``I know there have been 250 incidents since July 7 where we have considered whether we are seeing a suicide bomber,'' Blair told Channel Four. On each of seven occasions, police came close to shooting the suspect, he indicated through a gesture.
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Sadly, only one boomer detained.
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I think of it as "happily, they've already got one."
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"Bring up the robots, Nigel!"
"They say they don't want to come, sir! 'At thing looks dangerous!"
I dunno. I'd bet that British bomb disposal robots sport a toilet plunger and an annoying voice that screeches "EXTERMINATE!"
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And now, they'll be asking these guys if they would kindly share whatever information they might have regarding their boom-mates. I don't think they'll be have a pleasant chat over tea and crumpets.
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Blitz spirit alive and well but I'll only be happy when they've got all four.
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Howard about 50 minutes ago Fox News here in the States reported the "boomer" taken into custody had a suicide vest on and that is why he was hit with the taser gun....you heard anything about this?
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"Bring up the robots, Nigel!"
"They say they don't want to come, sir! 'At thing looks dangerous!"
LMAO Fred! That's one of your finest. And it's only 0448 here in Alaska.
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BREAKING: Arrest at Luton Airport.
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Taser into a booooooomer vest? Wouldn't the static and electrical sparks set off a BIG kaboom!?
If it's professionally-made explosives, I'd bet not. The home-brewed stuff they tend to use? I wouldn't want to breath near it.
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It's home made awright, jus like Uncle Jessie's moonshine.
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Taser into a booooooomer vest? Wouldn't the static and electrical sparks set off a BIG kaboom!?
If the explosives detonator won't set of the explosives, I don't think a Taser will.
A man arrested in Birmingham by anti-terror police could be one of the suspects in the failed 21 July attacks, security sources have told the BBC. The man was held after being shot with a Taser stun gun and has been taken to London for questioning. A suspect package was found during his arrest and is being examined.
Carefully examined...
A further three arrests were made by anti-terror police in Birmingham overnight. And two people were held on a train travelling to King's Cross (London). In London, hundreds of police and MI5 agents are continuing the hunt for the men who tried to bomb three underground trains and a bus six days ago. A flat in north London linked to two of the suspects is being searched, and police say chemicals found there and in a garage may have been for explosives.
Keep looking. Betcha there's even more...
The man taken to London for questioning is thought to be at the high security Paddington Green police station. His arrest, in Heybarnes Road, in the Hay Mills area of Birmingham at 0430 BST on Wednesday, followed a joint operation between West Midlands Police and officers from the Metropolitan Police Anti-Terrorist Branch. Although the man was shot with a Taser stun gun, police say no firearms were used.
On the other hand, a Taser to the head will flat ruin your day...
"A suspect package was found and as a precautionary measure evacuations have been undertaken in the vicinity," a police statement said. Following Army advice, residents of neighbouring homes have been moved out and a controlled explosion is due to take place.
"Excuse me, ma'am, there's a bomb next door and you should move out of range!"
"Good idea! How far away shall I go?"
"600 miles should do it."
"I'll get my purse."
Shortly after the man's arrest, a second address in Bankdale Road, in Washwood Heath, Birmingham, was raided and the other three men were arrested under the Terrorism Act 2000. Forensic tests are taking place at both addresses in Birmingham.
"Clive, run some forensic tests on this mess!"
"Yessir!"
"And put that cigar out!"
The two men arrested on the King's Cross-bound train were held at Grantham railway station, in Lincolnshire, following information from two off-duty Met police officers. A neighbour of the flat being searched in London said she saw one of the suspects outside her home on the day after the failed bombings. EFL
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On the other hand, a Taser to the head will flat ruin your day...
Not to mention, curl your hair...
On Laura Ingraham this AM...
After hearing part of PM Blair's press conference with the media from yesterday. I am surprised that he is able to hold himself back from smacking some of those bastards across the head with a sledge hammer, and shouting, "HEY STUPID, THEY ARE TRYING TO KILL US ALL. DON'T YOU GET IT???"
HT to Drudge
THE fugitive bombers who bungled their attacks on Londonâs transport system last week returned to their secret cache of explosives to rearm themselves for another assault, Scotland Yard believes. Nice
Immediately after the bombings up to three of the men who tried to blow up three Tube trains and a bus were seen by a neighbour at the ninth-floor flat in New Southgate, North London, that they were using as a bomb factory. It ain't getting any more potent schmoes!
Witnesses claim that some of the suspects made a second trip the next day to the flat where police yesterday found chemicals and bombmaking materials. The men who lived at the flat, Muktar Said-Ibrahim, 27, who tried to bomb a London bus, and Yasin Hassan Omar, 24, the Warren Street attacker, were described by a neighbour who met them as looking âstartled and dishevelledâ. They fled shortly before police established last Friday that the flat had been used as a base. It emerged last night that Ibrahim, 27, was granted a British passport despite a criminal record for violence. It also emerged that his parents identified him to police after CCTV pictures of him were released. good for them! Moderate Moslems?
He was jailed by Luton Crown Court for five years when he was 17 for being part of a gang that carried out a series of muggings at knifepoint at Hertfordshire railway stations. One former friend said that he turned to radical Islam while in prison. small jump
He qualified for early release in 1998 and is then alleged to have met Richard Reid, the jailed âshoe bomberâ, at two London mosques. Reid, who was also a petty criminal, tried to blow up an airliner over the Atlantic in 2001.
There aren't many people in this world willing to say "I wanna be just like Richard Reid"...
Immigration officials disclosed that Ibrahim and Omar came to Britain as child refugees. Omar came from Somalia as a 10-year-old in 1992. Ibrahim arrived with his parents in the same year from Eritrea, aged 14. Barely ten months ago, he swore allegiance to the Crown when he became a British citizen. Police are investigating how he was granted citizenship with a criminal record. A key condition for naturalisation is that applicants should be âof good characterâ. Officers also want to know if he applied for citizenship in order to obtain a British passort. Nothing has been seen since of the would-be suicide bombers and police believe that they are being sheltered by supporters in London. They fear that they will break cover only to strike again.
The companion post to this one sez they might have skipped to Holland...
Passport checks have been reimposed for everyone leaving the country in an attempt to prevent the four suspects from fleeing abroad. Controls were imposed after the first wave of bombings on July 7 and were back in place only four days after being lifted. As Britainâs biggest manhunt went into its sixth day, detectives confirmed to The Times that they are convinced that a fifth bomber is on the loose. He is believed to have discarded his bomb in a park near Wormwood Scrubs prison. Scientists say that it contained the same type of explosives as those used in the botched attacks. Detectives found âa substantial amountâ of explosives in the towerblock at Curtis House, in bins and in a lock-up garage on the estate. So much explosive has been discovered at different sites since the original July 7 attacks that killed 52 people, that police cannot be sure how much the cell possesses.
Armed police seized a car used by one of the bombers, which was found abandoned a few miles from the council flat that Ibrahim and Omar shared.Streets near the North Circular Road in East Finchley were sealed off as bomb disposal teams searched the white Volkswagen Golf. Police told how Ibrahim was identified by his own parents. His family spoke of their shock at discovering their sonâs involvement in terrorism and condemned his actions. âWe are a peaceful family, having lived in this country since 1990,â a family statement said.
Police are still checking identifications of the other two men who took part in the attacks. Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, said that senior officers had come close to allowing officers to fire on terrorist suspects seven times since the July 7 bombings. They had been asked to assess the risk of a terrorist 250 times in the past 20 days. Doctors in London have been asked by police to alert them if they are consulted by any âyoung men of Asian appearanceâ with back injuries. "They may have undiagnosed head injuries"
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Two of the suspected bombers in last week's botched attack on London's transport network travelled to the UK on Kenyan passports, Scotland Yard announced yesterday. The two, who police say were originally from Somalia, were now on the run and might have fled to Holland, where there is a big Somali community.
Officers from UK's metropolitan police anti-terror unit might fly to Nairobi this week as the search widens, a Yard spokesman said. Anti-terror police in London say they believe there is an active Al Qaeda cell in Kenya, and want to question people believed to be connected with it. Kenya has been targeted twice by terrorists: first during the 1998 bombing of the US embassy in Nairobi when 224 people died and 5,000 were injured and again in the 2002 bombing of an Israeli owned hotel in Kikambala, Kilifi District, when 15 people were killed.
That'd seem to imply that there's an active Qaeda cell there, wouldn't it? That might be because you're in the habit of acquitting the bastards when you do catch 'em...
The failed bomb attack on a London bus and the underground rail network last Thursday triggered an urgent scrutiny by British immigration officials of records of thousands of refugees and asylum-seekers from East Africa in their search for the bombers, according to reports in The Times of London. Police believe the men have been living in Britain for some time and were not smuggled into the country just ahead of their attempted suicide attacks. They are believed to have family in the UK as well as links with the substantial Kenyan, Somali and Ethiopian communities around London.
The Times reported that East African community leaders in London had been asked to help police in Britain's biggest manhunt. Britain's Home Office says 6,010 Kenyans applied for asylum in the last 10 years, of whom 440 were given asylum or allowed to stay in the UK. There are no figures for how many of those refused asylum have been returned home, according to The Times report. Home Office figures show that 45,815 Somalis - minus dependents - applied for asylum in Britain between 1993 and 2004. Of these, 30,875 were given asylum or allowed to stay on humanitarian grounds, said The Times.
Both would-be suicide bombers of Somali origin lived in Kenya, later acquiring Kenyan passports to travel to London, before claiming political asylum. A relative of one of them, who was at the family's house provided by the local London council's social services department, told the Nation he was living in Mombasa before travelling to Wales and claiming political asylum. The relative, known only as Fatuma, told the media before being led away by police: "He lived in Kenya before coming to London. He is a staunch Muslim and for sure, he might not be involved." Then she added: "Even if he is, then it might be influence from other people he hangs out with."
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might have fled to Holland, where there is a big Somali community
Dutch MP Ayan Hirsi Ali is originally from Somalia.
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Suspect arrested in Birmingham this a.m. was of Somali appearance. As were those taken in with him.
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Fatuma said it well - He was just a good lad (are not all asylum seekers) who caught a "Root Cause" from not-so-nice friends and didn't get well again so he really wanted to be a boomer? Just like the common cold folks. Nobody's to blame. Staunch muslim who "for sure" might not be involved BUT (layered slipspeak) even if he is it is "for sure" not his fault? Scum. Certainly Fatuma had no idea he was going maggot rotten in front of the family's eyes.
A probe into the July 19 terrorist attack in Chechnya's Znamenskoye village has produced evidence suggesting that the criminal group led by Chechen warlord Shamil Basayev was involved in the attack. "Cartridge cases discovered at the scene and found after the Basayev guerillas' attack on Grozny in August, 2004, are identical," Russian Deputy Prosecutor General Nikolai Shepel told Interfax on Sunday.
Shepel made this statement in remarks about media reports saying that Basayev has claimed responsibility for the blast in Znamenskoye which left 14 people dead, most of them policemen. Shepel also said that Basayev and another Chechen guerilla leader Doku Umarov's involvement in the terrorist attack has figured in the probe as the main theory. "Intelligence suggests that Basayev's group is the most likely organizer of the attack. But northern Chechnya is controlled by Umarov, so his involvement in the terror attack is also being checked," Shepel said. "If Basayev's complicity is proved, one more episode will be added to the criminal charges brought against him," he said. Shepel said that among the suspects already detained, is the owner of the motor vehicle blown up in Znamenskoye.
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And PayPal will help you learn how to do it at home by reading Basayev's e-book available from Kavkaz. No kidding. Now only $19.79 USD!
Three soldiers died in rebel attacks in Russia's turbulent Dagestan region on Wednesday, officials and local media said.
A colonel from the Interior Ministry forces trying to stop rebels from crossing into the region from neighbouring Chechnya died from wounds sustained in a late-night firefight in the border town of Khasavyurt, police said.
The two other soldiers died in a mortar attack on their base in the republic's mountainous Tsumadinsky region, which also lies on the border with Chechnya, the Interfax news agency reported.
Observers say fighting, often between police and Islamists, is stoked by local leaders keen to exploit the instability to gain privileges for their own ethnic groups.
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The fugitive bombers who bungled their attacks on Londonâs transport system last week returned to their secret cache of explosives to rearm themselves for another assault, Scotland Yard believes. I'm guessing that if they do, they'll hit someplace other than London. People will have seen the CCTV pics, but they won't be expecting them in their town.
Immediately after the bombings up to three of the men who tried to blow up three Tube trains and a bus were seen by a neighbour at the ninth-floor flat in New Southgate, North London, that they were using as a bomb factory.
Witnesses claim that some of the suspects made a second trip the next day to the flat where police yesterday found chemicals and bombmaking materials. I wonder how these witnesses got this information to the police. Did they call it in, or grudgingly give it up when the police showed up at their door?
The men who lived at the flat, Muktar Said-Ibrahim, 27, who tried to bomb a London bus, and Yasin Hassan Omar, 24, the Warren Street attacker, were described by a neighbour who met them as looking âstartled and dishevelledâ. They fled shortly before police established last Friday that the flat had been used as a base.
It emerged last night that Ibrahim, 27, was granted a British passport despite a criminal record for violence. It also emerged that his parents identified him to police after CCTV pictures of him were released.
He was jailed by Luton Crown Court for five years when he was 17 for being part of a gang that carried out a series of muggings at knifepoint at Hertfordshire railway stations. One former friend said that he turned to radical Islam while in prison. I keep waiting to here about radical Methodists.
He qualified for early release in 1998 and is then alleged to have met Richard Reid, the jailed âshoe bomberâ, at two London mosques. Reid, who was also a petty criminal, tried to blow up an airliner over the Atlantic in 2001. Immigration officials disclosed that Ibrahim and Omar came to Britain as child refugees. Omar came from Somalia as a 10-year-old in 1992.
Ibrahim arrived with his parents in the same year from Eritrea, aged 14. Barely ten months ago, he swore allegiance to the Crown when he became a British citizen. Police are investigating how he was granted citizenship with a criminal record. A key condition for naturalisation is that applicants should be âof good characterâ. Officers also want to know if he applied for citizenship in order to obtain a British passort.
Nothing has been seen since of the would-be suicide bombers and police believe that they are being sheltered by supporters in London. They fear that they will break cover only to strike again. Must be some of those moderate muslims we keep getting lectured about.
Passport checks have been reimposed for everyone leaving the country in an attempt to prevent the four suspects from fleeing abroad. Controls were imposed after the first wave of bombings on July 7 and were back in place only four days after being lifted.
As Britainâs biggest manhunt went into its sixth day, detectives confirmed to The Times that they are convinced that a fifth bomber is on the loose. He is believed to have discarded his bomb in a park near Wormwood Scrubs prison. Scientists say that it contained the same type of explosives as those used in the botched attacks.
Detectives found âa substantial amountâ of explosives in the towerblock at Curtis House, in bins and in a lock-up garage on the estate. So much explosive has been discovered at different sites since the original July 7 attacks that killed 52 people, that police cannot be sure how much the cell possesses.
Armed police seized a car used by one of the bombers, which was found abandoned a few miles from the council flat that Ibrahim and Omar shared.Streets near the North Circular Road in East Finchley were sealed off as bomb disposal teams searched the white Volkswagen Golf.
Police told how Ibrahim was identified by his own parents. His family spoke of their shock at discovering their sonâs involvement in terrorism and condemned his actions. âWe are a peaceful family, having lived in this country since 1990,â a family statement said. Yep. Peaceful, you damn infidel!
Police are still checking identifications of the other two men who took part in the attacks.
Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, said that senior officers had come close to allowing officers to fire on terrorist suspects seven times since the July 7 bombings. They had been asked to assess the risk of a terrorist 250 times in the past 20 days.
Doctors in London have been asked by police to alert them if they are consulted by any âyoung men of Asian appearanceâ with back injuries.
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Mehopes CCTV footage has been retained so MI5 and the PO's track the scum's comings and goings so as to visit the supporters' homes for a little chat. Forget the Methodists, my money's on the Amish connection. Are they not good people, devout, assylum seekers of a sort, fundamentalist, insular, unintegrated, often not particularly wealthy, usually not overeducated, nonpolitical, peaceful and tolerant? They can get their seething anger on as well as anybody else. Wonder how they managed the non-electrical detonator technology?
SEATTLE â A man who plotted to bomb Los Angeles International Airport on the eve of the millennium was sentenced Wednesday to 22 years in prison, a penalty that reflected some of his cooperation in telling international investigators about the workings of terror camps in Afghanistan. Still, Ahmed Ressam, 38, could have received a shorter sentence had he not stopped talking to investigators in early 2003. Prosecutors argued that his recalcitrance has jeopardized cases against two of his co-conspirators.
Ressam, 38, was arrested in Port Angeles in December 1999 as he drove off a ferry from British Columbia with a trunk full of bomb-making materials. After being convicted of terrorist conspiracy and explosives charges at his 2001 trial, Ressam began cooperating in hopes of winning a reduced sentence. Ressam told investigators from several countries about the operation of terror camps, but quit cooperating by early 2003. His lawyers said years of solitary confinement took their toll on his mental state, but prosecutors insisted he simply didn't feel like cooperating any more. Prosecutors recommended a 35-year sentence; Ressam's lawyers asked for 12œ years.
Ressam had been scheduled for sentencing in April. After more than two hours of arguments, U.S. District Judge John C. Coughenour called it off, giving Ressam three more months to resume cooperation. Coughenour and federal prosecutors want Ressam to testify against his two co-conspirators, Samir Ait Mohamed and Abu Doha, who are awaiting extradition from Canada and Britain, respectively.
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No. Ressam was going to kill dozens of people at LAX. Justice would have meant he be skewered and slow roasted.
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So this murderous parasite was arrested in December 1999, and it took over 5-1/2 years to try, convict and sentence him.
Tell you what: compress that 2,000+ days of "due process" into no more than 12 hours, and then I'll consider the law-enforcement approach as a possibly viable tactic in the war against Islamic totalitarianism.
But not until.
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And he was driven to this by our illegal occupation of Iraq, right?
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Pointed out at CaptainsQuarters Blog that sentence includes time served and w/good behavior could be out in 13-14 yrs.(Altho they missed subtracting his 4+yrs served from good behavior time. He could be out in less than 9 yrs.)
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I would love to be on hand when this garbage gets out. What was the friggin judge thinking?
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Dave D., exactly.
Why can't we add on a bit to the Patriot Act providing that non-U.S. citizens (at least) arrested for terrorist activity be sent to Gitmo for (military) trial, incarceration and-uh-punishment?
Treating terrorism as a domestic criminal matter will be even less successful than the way we prosecute and punish child molesters.
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Hugh Hewitt is fit to be tied over the short inappropriate sentence as well as the remarks that Judge Coughenour made prior to sentencing this villian.
See the Hewitt link for the lecture. One would think this guy was a Carter appointee, but alas he's a Reagan judge.
Hewitt:The arrogance of this renegade judge's lecture is simply beyond belief. Congress should summon the judge to testify as to his inane remarks, but precede and follow his appearnce with panels comprised of vitims of terror and the families of military killed in the war.
Security forces are hunting 10 would-be suicide bombers and have already foiled a plot for a major attack, National Security Adviser Norberto Gonzales said yesterday.
Gonzales said he was worried about possible new attacks in Manila following the recent terror bombings in London and Egypt.
"From intelligence information we have gathered from our neighbors, we know that there are suicide bombers now in the Philippines, at least 10 of them, preparing for a terrorist attack," he told ANC television as he pushed for swift passage of an anti-terrorism law.
He said one intelligence unit has been "solely dedicated to pursuing the terrorists." He did not identify the alleged terrorists or the groups they belong to and gave no other details.
Gonzales also said Philippine security forces foiled a "huge plot" to bomb unspecified targets with the seizure of 600 kilograms (1,320 pounds) of explosives earlier this year.
At the time, police said bombings planned by the al-Qaeda-linked Muslim extremist Abu Sayyaf group were preempted with the arrest of a suspected militant whose information led to the explosives cache in March. The military said the explosives were intended for terror attacks in Manila during the Easter holidays.
Terror bombings have hit the capital and other parts of the country in recent years. On Valentineâs Day, three almost simultaneous attacks in Manila and the southern Philippines killed four people and wounded 63 others.
In her State Of The Nation Address Monday, Arroyo urged "swift passage of an anti-terrorism law that will protect rather than subvert, enhance rather than weaken, the rights and liberties that terrorism precisely threatens with extinction."
She also reported that anti-terror operations have hurt the Abu Sayyaf and the Southeast Asian terror group Jemaah Islamiyah, leaving the terror movement to "only pick up the pieces of its broken backbone" in the southern Mindanao region.
Several draft anti-terrorism bills are pending in Congress. Some would set up a controversial national ID system or allow electronic surveillance and arrests without warrants. Opponents warn of erosion of civil liberties.
"We are writing a law intended for terrorists, itâs not intended for citizens," Gonzales said. "We are dealing with a very, very specialized group, a very small minority imbedded in the societies of the world... They seem to want to achieve their purpose by murdering as many civilians, as many innocents as possible."
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Good ole Baathists... they look so good dangling at the end of a rope.
from the July 28, 2005 edition - http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0728/p06s02-woiq.html
Baathist purge may stall Hussein trial
Last week, nine judges in the special tribunal were removed. Half the remaining judges are under review.
By Neil MacDonald | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor
BAGHDAD - More than a year and a half after US troops pulled Saddam Hussein out of his spider hole, Iraqis are still wondering what will become of him.
US officials promised that Saddam's trial before a national tribunal, on charges running from aggression against neighbors to genocide, would usher in a new era of justice and rule of law in Iraq.
Earlier this month, the Iraqi Special Tribunal (IST) - the roughly 50-judge court set up under US guidance to try former regime officials - looked primed to kick off its formal proceedings against the ousted dictator, along with several of his highest-ranking associates.
But now the IST appears to be coming apart at the seams, amid a flurry of recriminations among judges and court administrators over past links with the Baath Party, the institution at the center of Saddam's regime.
With nine administrative officials forced out last week and nearly half of the judges still under threat of an anti-Baathist purge, the prospects for a smooth, internationally credible judicial process look bleak.
Problems with the high-profile tribunal could also bode ill for the broader development of the Iraqi justice system, frustrated US officials said.
On July 10, chief IST prosecutor Raid Juhi announced that Saddam would be referred for trial "within a few days" in the relatively minor Dujayl case, involving atrocities against a Shiite town in the early 1980s. Court officials promised that other cases, such as the regime's early 1990s "Anfal campaign" against Kurdish villages in northern Iraq, would also be ready for trial soon.
Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari and other figures in the Shiite-led government had been pushing the IST to get trials under way, as the Iraqi people were growing impatient.
Despite its special nature, the IST follows Iraqi law, and could therefore sentence Saddam and his associates to death by hanging.
Hanging ladies, not the gas chamber as someone suggested yesterday
The IST has attracted controversy ever since its formation in December 2003 - the same month, coincidentally, as Saddam's capture. Human rights groups questioned the legality of a court that was formed under US military occupation, prompting US officials to retort that the Iraqi judiciary "deserves the support of the international community."
But even before the announcement of upcoming trials, Mr. Juhi met informally with members of Iraq's parliament to discuss possible amendments to the IST's founding statute in order to help weed out Baathists from the court.
Zakia Hakki, a Kurdish legal expert who helped set up the IST, cited concerns that several Baathists may have slipped through initial screening by US officials, despite the statute's prohibition on former Baathists in the court.
The problem, a US official says, is that practically every judge who served in the Iraqi judicial system under Hussein was a member of the Baath Party. "You had to be, at least nominally," he says.
Last week, anti-Baath unease became a purge. Khaled al-Shammi, an official on the government's deBaathification board, announced a cabinet decision to fire IST director Radhi Ammar and eight other officials "because of links with the Baath Party."
More surprisingly, Mr. Shammi said that 19 of the IST's judges and prosecutors, including Juhi, were also under investigation for previous Baathist membership.
IST security manager Mohamed al-Bandar, one of the officials who lost his job, accused Shammi of wanting to "purge all of Iraq." "The IST is independent, and Shammi's report is aimed at demolishing the edifice of justice represented by the IST and its staff," Mr. Bandar told reporters. He referred to malicious sources attacking "the aspirations of Iraqis of all ethnicities who are seeking a symbol of justice to obtain their rights from Saddam and his regime."
The power behind the purges is reported to be Deputy Prime Minster Ahmed Chalabi, whose nephew Salem Chalabi was the IST's original director, before the family's fallout with the US.
The US official also expresses concern about Mr. Chalabi's "obsession with de-Baathifacation." The Americans were stricter about judges who used to work with anti-Saddam opposition group, according to Ms. Hakki, a member of the Kurdistan Democratic Party.
US advisers asked her not to serve as a judge, she says, because they "didn't want any point of weakness."
While the de-Baathifiers turned up the heat, Iraq's regular justice system is moving ahead with its first death sentences since the end of Saddam's regime.
In May, amid a stepped up suicide bombing campaign, Iraqi criminal courts passed death sentences on several Iraqis convicted of manufacturing bombs.
Mohamed Khalaf al-Jumayli, chief prosecutor at the Central Criminal Court, confirmed that the men have exhausted all of their appeals in the court system. All that remains is for President Jalal Talabani to sign their death warrants. Mr. Talabani, who has publicly opposed the death penalty, is expected to delegate the job to a deputy rather than block the court's decision.
De-baathification must be complete and painful for those involved. Supporters of tyrants elsewhere need to learn from their example. I'm looking at Syria, Iran, North Korea, Cuba, the UN, and Zimbabwe, for starters.
LAHORE, Pakistan - Police and intelligence agents Wednesday arrested a suspected militant who was wanted for a role in the killing of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl, officials said. The man, identified as Hashim Qadeer, was captured from a bus at a terminal in the eastern Pakistan city of Gujranwala, a police and an intelligence official said on condition of anonymity. Both requested anonymity because they are not authorized to make media statements.
"I'm not authorized to say anything. You can quote me on that."
Pearl was kidnapped and later beheaded in the southern Pakistan city of Karachi while he was researching a story on Islamic militancy in 2002. Months later, a court in Karachi convicted four Islamic militants in Pearl's killing, including British-born Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, who was sentenced to death. The three others were given life imprisonment. The Karachi-based intelligence official said Qadeer is believed to have arranged a meeting between Sheikh and Pearl at a hotel in Rawalpindi, a city near the capital of Islamabad. Two other militants wanted in Pearl's case were supposedly killed in shootouts with security forces last year. Five others remained at large, and Qadeer was one of them, the police official said. In 2003, authorities listed Qadeer among the country's 40 most-wanted men.
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while he was researching a story on Islamic militancy in 2002.
Maybe he was getting too close to the truth?
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Oh aressted in Pakistan. I thought you meant really arrested.
KANDAHAR, Afghanistan - Three suspected Taleban fighters were killed and two wounded in a gunfight, which also left five policemen injured in violence-torn southern Afghanistan, a police official said on Wednesday. The fighting erupted late on Tuesday in the Shah Joy district of Zabul province, on a main highway between the capital Kabul and the former Taleban stronghold of Kandahar province, local police commander Qauoom Jan told AFP. âThree Taleban were killed, two were wounded,â Jan said. âThey took away their dead and wounded Taleban. We had five of our men wounded.â
Purported Taleban spokesman Mullah Abdul Latif Hakimi, calling AFP from an unknown location, said 45 insurgents had initiated the hour-long gunfight and added that none of their fighters was killed and only one was wounded. âOnly one of our mujahedin (Islamic holy warriors) was wounded,â he said.
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Iraqi commandos have captured an Egyptian said to be an associate of Ayman al-Zawahiri, al Qaeda's number two, police sources said on Wednesday. Police named the suspect as Hamdi Tantawi and said he was detained in a raid on a farmhouse near the town of Yusufiya, south of Baghdad. They said Tantawi was suspected of financing insurgent operations in the area.
They said Tantawi was believed to be a number 3 lieutenant to Zawahiri, an Egyptian doctor regarded as second-in-command to Osama bin Laden in the al Qaeda network. Computers, money and weapons were also seized in the raid, the police said.
Wednesday's operation took place in an area called al-Shakhat, about 40 km (25 miles) south of Baghdad, part of a region referred to as the "triangle of death" by U.S. troops because of the frequency of insurgent attacks. Police said initial interrogations had revealed that Tantawi was responsible for several attacks on Iraqi soldiers, police and civilians in the area.
The U.S. military and the Iraqi government were not immediately available to comment on the arrest.
In recent months, Iraqi commandos and U.S. forces have detained many insurgents said to be senior associates of Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the head of a group called al Qaeda in Iraq, an offshoot allied to bin Laden. The seizure of Tantawi was believed to be one of the first captures of a member of the main al Qaeda network in Iraq.
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Excellent news - send him to the moon for interrogation so Mikey & Co won't get excited.
On the side, I found this interesting:
"a region referred to as the 'triangle of death' by U.S. troops because of the frequency of insurgent attacks"
Or when they're simply mocking gullible Rooters asstards.
Police are searching for more than a dozen Egyptians and local tribesmen believed to have played a direct role in the weekend terror attacks in this Red Sea resort, Egypt's deadliest ever, senior security officials said Wednesday. Egyptian police have come up with a list of 15 names believed connected to the three bombings, including a man identified as Moussa Badran, the suicide attacker who rammed a pickup truck packed with 300 kilograms (660 pounds) of into the reception of the Ghazala Gardens Hotel in Naama Bay.
The officials, who declined to be identified because the release of the information had not been authorized, said the 15 people include Bedouin tribesman and Egyptians from the Sinai area. Few details were provided about those on the list, but most are believed to be at large and connected with last October's bombings of Sinai resorts farther north at Taba and Ras Shitan that killed 34 people, including many Israelis. The officials said the 15 either carried out, planned or prepared Saturday's three pre-dawn attacks on the Ghazala, a nearby car park and an area popular with local Egyptians some three kilometers (two miles) away called the Old Market. Hospital officials in Sharm put the death toll at 88, but the Health Ministry said 64 people were killed. The hospital said several sets of body parts have not been identified and at 10 Britons and several Italians have been reported missing by their government.
The hunt for the culprits has been focussing heavily on villages and towns in the northern Sinai, where people linked to the Taba blast hailed from and thousands of potential suspects or relatives took place, angering many in the local community. Security authorities are trying to find several Egyptian suspects who disappeared immediately after the October attacks and whose names have been mentioned in the investigations. Badran -- a resident of Sheik Zawaid, a town near el-Arish in northern Sinai -- fled his family house soon after the Taba attack, his stepmother, Mariam Hamad Salem al-Sawarka, told The Associated Press. Many of his relatives -- including women -- were arrested and tortured after he disappeared while another brother remains in custody, said al-Sawarka. Hours after the Sharm blast, police took DNA samples from Badran's father and siblings and from other families with relatives who have gone into hiding since October.
Security forces have taken at least 140 people in for questioning since Saturday's attacks, including 70 on Tuesday. An unspecified number of people were arrested overnight in the villages of Husseinat and Muqataa near the Gaza border. Investigators are concentrating on the theory that the bombings were carried out by Egyptian militants, but were not excluding the possibility they received international help, the security officials in Cairo said. They noted there has been an increasing number of hard-line Islamists in Sinai who may have formed cells. In previous years, the sparsely populated peninsula saw little militant activity, in contrast to the Nile Valley where the majority of Egyptians live and where an Islamic insurgency took hold in the 1990s. Investigators were looking closely at funding for Islamists in Sinai, possibly from abroad. Large sums have come into the area in recent years, and no one is sure of the source, one of the officials in Cairo said.
Authorities are also trying to learn the origin of the more than 1,100 pounds (495 kilograms) of explosives used in the Sham attacks. Police said they were exploring the possibility they may have been brought in from Jordan, Saudi Arabia or Israel. Another possibility was that the bombs were made of old explosives or from explosives used in quarries and hoarded by Sinai's Bedouin inhabitants
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Pakistan's leading monthly magazine, Herald, has published a detailed eyewitness account backed with photographs on how youths are trained in militant camps in the central region of North-West Frontier Province (NWFP), Mansehra. ... "Until 2001, thousands of fighters trained here for operations in Kashmir and Afghanistan ... after the 9/11 attacks in America, though, the militants' activities dwindled, and last year the camp was abandoned following an unequivocal warning from the government. But all major militant organizations began regrouping in April this year by renovating training facilities that were deserted last year," the cover story of Herald maintained. ... According to a manager of the training camp, the report said, all the major militant organizations, including Hizbul Mujahideen, al-Badr Mujahideen, Harkat ul-Mujahideen and others, began regrouping in April.
Al Qaeda in Iraq says it has killed two Algerian diplomats kidnapped last week, according to a website statement. The statement was posted on a site often used by the group led by Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. It said: "The head of the Algerian mission Ali Belaroussi and the diplomat Azzedine Belkadi, whose government is ruling in violation of God's will, were killed." It claimed the envoys had been killed because of the Algerian government's repression of Muslims in their north African country. "We won't forget what Algeria did to Muslims, by killings, destruction and spilling their blood," it said.
Appearing on an Islamic site, the statement has not been independently verified. Mr Belaroussi and Mr Belkadi were kidnapped at gunpoint in Baghdad last Thursday. A video showing the pair in captivity and blinfolded, giving their names and addresses was released on Tuesday.
It was the first time they had been seen since being abducted.
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No one will forget what the pervert of Islam has done to the Muslims of Iraq, and the tricking of Muslims abroad to come and kill other Muslims. Zarqawi places his blood lusts above the love for Allah, the Ummah and places himself lord of the land of the two rivers above the attentive devotion of Muslims to Allah.
Zarqawi forces the hearts and souls of Muslims from strengthening the ummah and serving Allah by committing anti-Islamic atrocities against everyone not in his satanic league. Zarqawi forces and intimidates the hearts of souls of Allah's creations to focus upon Zarqawi himself and his twisted interpretations of the Koran. Zarqawi believes only in himself and will stop at nothing to achieve his goal at empowerment over others. That is the god of Zarqawi: POWER.
It is not the power of Allah, but the power of controlling others through fear. Zarqawi convinces only the most simple-minded or misguided that he is a holy man, blessed by Allah to committ all in his name, and endowed with special powers of interpretation of the Koran. Zarqawi is a psychopath heading down the path of lost souls and the damned. Zarqawi finds comfort in the blood of the innocents flowing beneath his feet and that of young boys in the darkness of night.
Allah knows all and sees all and he has purpose behind all things great and small. Nothing escapes his eyes and he reserves reward and justice for those who he deems worthy or in need as he decides.... not Zarqawi. Zarqawi assumes a higher position than Allah determines his fate to be by placing judgement upon those who die and those who live. Zarqawi is not Allah, but he lives this out each and every day. Zarqawi has made himself into the one who doles out infinite justice and not Allah.
Zarqawi has elevated himself upon the backs of those who he has stabbed in the back and greased his way to the top of the kennel with the blood of innocent Muslims. Zarqawi is a simple-minded cold blooded murderer with the mind of an enraged pig and the heart of a dog that meows as a kitten dressed in the garb of a holy mujahadeen defending Islam.
Zarqawi is no warrior, he is no folk hero, he is no Jihadist nor mujadadin, he is no clergy and he is not even an Iraqi much less a Muslim. His only ummah is that of social misfits, hooligans, thugs and the dysfunctional and he achieves his only sense of accomplishment by facilitating wanton death and misery among Muslims and non-Muslims alike.
That is some goal huh? Zarqawi is a traitor to the ummah and a pervert of Islam. He is not fit to be allowed in a Mosque or in the presence of a food bowl. zarqawi is entitled to eat out of a dog food dish, slowly lick the soiled soles of the feet of the mothers and grandmothers of those whose children and grandchildren are being murdered at his beck and call.
Zarqawi is a leper among the clean, he is a foul odor in a place of fragrance and perfume, he is a greasy stain on a pure white woolen carpet of immense intricasy and beauty, he is a thistle in the golden and silver sandal of a pure young virgin, he is maggot-filled beetle discovered upon a plate for a wedding, he is the lost soul surrounded by the enlightened and blessed. Zarqawi is the loser that he has built himself into... he has placed himself above Allah.
Zarqawi... you have done this to yourself with your love for Satan.
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That is one of the more interesting apologist statements I've seen. Indeed, Zarqi is interested in power and fulfilling his blood-lust hatred of the Shi'a and whomever else he can conveniently label as apostates. But...
What about the non-Muslims Zarqi's killed, TU? You only mention them in passing.
Do they count as much as a Muzzy?
You say: "placing judgment upon those who die and those who live"
Are you saying the others who kill, murder, and maim in the name of Allan are also outcasts?
What about the Jews, TU? Is it okay to off a few Jooos?
ALL of the splodeydopes, murderers, and jihadists of Islam deserve slow horrific painful deaths. Their inciters, the imams, and apologists should join them in this fate, as well. That fate approaches - primarily because of the implicit approval for jihad given by each and every Muzzy who does nothing more than mouth words.
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Thraling Ulaitle8166 - I thought the USA was the GREAT SATAN. He sure has a strange way of showing his love for America. Sort of like cats bringing dead offerings to the front door.
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"If I am misreading you and you condemn ALL of the jihadis, including the Paleos, then I will happily back off and then ask: Will you do more than just craft statements, such as this?"
Yes, you misread me. Too much rant apparantly. All thugs are thugs no matter their flavor of religion, race, culture, gender, language or politics. A thug is a thug. Just craft statements? Nope... but I won't toot my horn, but I will rant and vent as needed. God bless.
Egyptian investigators said yesterday they had identified a man suspected to be one of the bombers who died in the Sharm El Sheikh attacks as Cairo denied the involvement of Pakistani nationals. Many aspects of the investigation were shrouded in mystery three days after the blasts, with no clear direction emerging in the probe so far, contradictory information on the casualty toll and three different claims for the attacks.
Security sources said investigators suspect a known Sinai Islamist called Yusef Badran was one of the suicide bombers involved in the triple bomb attacks in the Red Sea resort on Saturday, the deadliest in Egypt. DNA tests were being carried out on his family and compared with the remains of the suspected Ghazala Gardens hotel bomber, the most devastating of the strikes. Badran had already been suspected of involvement in another wave of attacks that killed at least 34 people in the Sinai resorts of Taba and Nuweiba further north last October.
His family in the Sinai town of Al-Arish said he had been missing for months. âHe was arrested after the Taba bombings and later released,â his mother-in-law Mariam al-Sawarta said. âBut I know nothing about his situation. He is married and lived in a village called Al-Metni, south of Al-Arish.â
Egyptian forces have been combing the Sinai since Saturdayâs bombings, arresting around 200 people. Interior Minister Habib al-Adly said as early as Saturday there could be links between the Sharm El Sheikh bombings and the anti-Israeli attacks in Taba. Meanwhile officials fiercely denied the involvement of any Pakistani nationals in the triple bombings.
Methinks they doth protest too much
In a twist that heightened fears of a new wave of co-ordinated global Al Qaeda-linked terror attacks after the July 7 carnage in London, Egyptian security sources had said Monday that six Pakistanis who entered the country earlier this month were being sought over the Sharm bombings. Their pictures were among those of dozens of suspects posted in police stations in the Sharm El Sheikh area and in Cairo. But Sharawi said security services never distributed the pictures. Egyptâs ambassador to Pakistan Hussein Haridy said he had informed Islamabad âthat no Pakistani national was involved in the terrorist acts that rocked Sharm El Sheikh late last Saturday.â Adlyâs first adviser, Mohamed Sharawi, also said the six Pakistanis mentioned in media reports were not linked to the bombings. âIt seems the government has no serious leads and it cannot conceal its unease,â Dhiaa Rashwan, from the Al-Ahram Centre for Strategic Studies said.
Three days after the bombs ripped through the glitzy beach and dive resort, a question mark also hung over the death toll, with the health and tourism ministries saying 67 people had perished. âThe death toll stands at 67, among them 16 foreigners,â tourism ministry spokeswoman Hala al-Khatib said yesterday. Hospital officials have previously said that 88 died. Khatib refused to give the breakdown of nationalities but various reports suggested Italians, Turks and Britons are among the foreign dead, whose number is expected to rise further.
A previously unknown movement calling itself the Unity and Jihad Group in Egypt said it perpetrated the attacks âin revenge for our brothers in Iraq and Afghanistan... and in response to the war against terrorâ.
âIt was also out of loyalty to the leaders of the Mujahedin within the Al Qaeda network, Sheikh Osama bin Laden and Sheikh Ayman al-Zawahiri, may God preserve them,â said the statement, whose authenticity could not be verified. The group said it also carried out the October bombings. It named five âmartyrsâ it said died in the Sharm attacks. The names differed from those given by another group that claimed responsibility for the bombings on Monday, Mujahedeen Egypt.
The first group to claim responsibility for the attacks, the deadliest in Egypt, was a movement calling itself the Al Qaeda Organisation in the Levant and Egypt.
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Pakistani security agencies have detained up to 600 suspected militants, clerics and Islamist activists in a country-wide crackdown during the past week, officials said on Wednesday.
I don't imagine they'll remain in jug for any really extended period. Most have probably made bail by now.
Recgonizance bonds are easier in Pakiwakiland since everybody knows everybody.
The crackdown launched on the orders of President Pervez Musharraf came after revelations that three of the four suspected suicide bombers in the July 7 attacks on London were Britons of Pakistani descent and at least two had visited Pakistan.
I thought it was three out of four?
"We have detained around 600 people throughout the country so far," a senior government official told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity. He said those detained included members of banned militant organizations, clerics accused of delivering "provocative" speeches and Islamists accused of publishing or distributing hate material. Interior Minister Aftab Ahmed Khan Sherpao said 280 members of banned militants groups had been detained while others being held were involved in offences like "misusing loudspeakers" in the mosques. He gave no other details.
I think I'd go nutz living within hollering range of a mosque, where the holy man was likely to fire up the loudspeakers at all hours to rant about something or other. Come to think of it, since we're discussing Pakland, a significant number of people might have done just that. Another one to file under "where we get our jihadis."
Pakistani officials say some of those detained would be tried under the country's Anti-Terrorism Law, which allows the authorities to hold a suspect for up to a year without laying charges. Those detained include members of Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan, Jaish-e-Mohammad and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, three groups that have links with the al Qaeda network of Osama bin Laden.
I think of them as being divisions of al-Qaeda, kinda like Buick's a division of General Motors...
Some of those detained are also members of Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal, an opposition alliance of mainstream conservative religious parties.
"Honey! We'll have to take out another mortgage! The holy man needs bail money!"
"Again?"
British diplomats in Islamabad have said that no one detained in Pakistan was linked to the July 7 London bombings in which at least 56 people were killed.
Oh. Well. In that case let them all go, by all means...
In a televised address last week, Musharraf called on the nation to wage a holy war against preachers of hate and announced steps to curb militant Islamic schools and groups. At the same time, he said, Britain had much to address at home in the war against terrorism without getting into a blame game with Pakistan.
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600 "militants rounded up or detained" of which 599 will be released within the next 60 days. Forgive me, but I've lost faith in the ability of Perv to be a good and true partner in the war. The Pakis are an enemy. Let's deal with it.
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"we are detaining the 600 in camps, where they will undergo training questioning. No-one should try and interrupt the training questioning, so leave us alone, thank you, the ISI"
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This is total bullshit on the part of the Paki-skank-land authorities. Notice how they always seem to round-up the Jihadis after unpleasantries around the world are linked to Pakiskankland-based terror training camps and individuals.
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The only effective approach would be for the UK to deliver an ultimatum to Pakistan: arrest and deliver the leaders of all Al-Qaida-related groups, plus dismantle their training camps. OR ELSE.
It's easy, just look at what Bush said when the US did it with the Taliban.
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Ultimatums are only useful if you can back it up. It is Pakistan who has leverage over Britian by causing trouble via the Paks and muslims in Britiain. The only leverage Britain has is to deport all the Pakistanis (600K+) back to WakiWorld.
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British military intervention should be an option on the table. I don't have specific targets in mind or knowledge of available means, but there's got to be something the UK can do.
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The Royal Navy could shut down all seaborn commerce to Pakistan by just saying it was gonna happen. Not a damn the the paks could do. To enforce the blockade might take another week or so.
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So ships with US (#1 trade partner), Chinese, Saudi, and UAE cargoes will be sunk? I don't think so. More likely, Pakistan will send subs, or out of the blue fly airliners into Britain's offshore oil production platforms. Zero oil production is a sticky wicket indeed.
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Egyptian security sources say they have identified a man suspected of being one of the bombers who carried out last week's attacks in Sharm al-Sheikh. The security sources said they believed Moussa Badran was the car bomber who destroyed the Ghazala Gardens hotel. It comes as reports suggest that a warning of an imminent attack was received days before the bombings. However, security was increased only around casinos, which police believed were the intended targets.
They may well have been, until the security was increased...
The Associated Press news agency reports that the heads of security in North and South Sinai provinces have been sacked after having failed to anticipate or prevent the bombings.
"Mahmoud, you're fired!"
"But boss..."
"Out!"
At least 64 people were killed when bombs exploded outside two hotels and a market in the resort town. Officials say the figure could be as high as 88. Police have dismissed reports that scientists have succeeded in matching the body to DNA from Moussa Badran's family. A relative of Moussa Badran told AP that he disappeared after deadly attacks at two other Sinai resorts in October, and that some family members were detained afterwards.
I'd call that a likely connection between the two...
Police have questioned hundreds of people about the attacks. Sources say another body of a possible bomber from the Ghazala bomb site is being tested and that a third body in the town's old market, the site of the third explosion, is also being examined. Egyptian police have taken DNA samples from four families living in or around the north Sinai town of al-Arish, Reuters news agency reported. Egyptian authorities are continuing to question large numbers of detainees - including some Sinai Bedouin - in relation to the blasts.
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Walid: "Oh Ahmed .... the beauty of DNA-related science and techniques!"
Ahmend: "Yes, this is bery, bery good and we can thank the worlded for this borgress!"
Walid and Ahmed on cue: "Just a fingernail led us to him, thank you CSI!"
From Jihad Unspun, an article by By Muhammad Abu Nasr, Free Arab Voice
US forces began a new military offensive against Fallujah at dawn on Tuesday that they have codenamed âGnawing Ratsâ ..... A major in the so-called Iraqi military told the correspondent for Mafkarat al-Islam that the operation aims at killing or arresting armed Resistance members in Fallujah, which, he claimed, have recently become noticeably active in the city. The operation is expected to last for a very long time.
âGnawing Ratsâ was launched by the US Marines together with their puppet âIraqi armyâ as of 10 a.m. local time Tuesday morning, beginning with the arrest of 50 âsuspects,â based on claims that the US military has information about the presence of Resistance fighters in the city. Because of the new offensive, Fallujah is once again paralyzed while being subjected to the campaign of arbitrary arrests and raids, so far on more than 70 houses. ....
.... over-flights by an unusually large group of American warplanes, six in total, plus a large number of helicopters provided air cover as more than 50 American occupation vehicles deployed, heralding the arrival of the US commander. .... Meanwhile residents in the neighborhoods of al- Muâallimin, al-Muhandisin, and ash-Shuhadaâ were put under curfew and their shops and stores were ordered closed.
.... three US Marines were found dead on the banks of the Euphrates River in the area âbetween the bridgesâ in western Fallujah. The cause of their deaths was not clear, given the relative calm that has prevailed in the area since Tuesday morning. ....
US forces announced that they would arrest any journalist who enters Fallujah without a pass issued by them, or who takes photographs, or conducts interviews. ....
... a short while earlier Iraqi Resistance forces had bombarded the US occupation camp north of Fallujah. The correspondent reported witnesses as saying that eight blasts shook the American camp sending clouds of black smoke rising into the sky. ... Resistance fighters had been fiercely bombarding the US forces in the âAmiriyat Fallujah area, south of the city of al-Falllujah from Tuesday afternoon .... The facility for military production -- now called al-âAmir Facility, but known as the Saddam Facility for Military Production prior to the American occupation -- came under Resistance attack with Grad rockets Tuesday afternoon. A total of fifteen powerful explosions had gone off by 9pm Tuesday night, local time, as rockets blasted into the American-occupied facility. The correspondent who is located in the city was able to hear the explosions of the rockets going off in the facility outside of town. The Saddam Facility for Military Production has been an American headquarters for some two months now.
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Operation "Waste Bandwidth" was re-launched by the Jihad Unspun Brigades together with their puppet "Mikey" as of 00:23 Eastern Wednesday morning. It is now recognized as part of the larger "Look at Meee!" campaign, evidence in the archives show. The disinformation insurgency forces have recently turned up the heat, with some elements suddenly reappearing after a self-imposed hudna. Additionally, new cells are regularly formed and disbanded thanks to concerted citizen militia action. In light of the heightening activities of these forces, local citizens are urged to dial their ACME Bullshit Detector⢠to the lowest band setting to prevent damage and a resulting permanent cognitive dissonance.
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MS,
I gotta ask this - by posting this story, are you telling us that you believe this to be true? I don't want a long detailed answer, just a simple yes or no - do you believe that this is true?
Mike
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I've suggested before and I'll suggest again: this type of article should have its own category, say, "Terr-talk" or something like that.
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Say what!!??? Fallujah again? I predicted this last December (see below). That's why a thorough-going B-52 bombing campaign followed up by napalm is what Fallujah deserves.
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Mike, I really/dearly wish I could write that kind of stream of conciousness stuff. Even on a bad day .com is way better than I could ever be and I think I can write. I won't rant on this, but what is with the Left and their denial that people with real talent exist?
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This is the beginning of a long series of articles to connect me to the Oklahoma City bombings.
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Here's a typical day of .com's comments (#88).
More productive, insightful, and intelligent than your own, Mikey.
What IS your fascination with Jihad Unspun?
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07/27/2005 9:11 Comments ||
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US forces announced that they would arrest any journalist who enters Fallujah without a pass issued by them, or who takes photographs, or conducts interviews.
Wait a minute. I thought we were targeting and killing journalists.
Whom should I believe? Linda Foley or Jihad Unspun?
Personally, I find it mildly amusing but amateurish and dry. It lacks the raging seethe of NKor agitprop and the witty irony of ScrappleFace. Not surprising, I guess, coming from a religious cult totally against both fun and logic.
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A major in the so-called Iraqi military told the correspondent for Mafkarat al-Islam that the operation aims at killing or arresting armed Resistance members in Fallujah, which, he claimed, have recently become noticeably active in the city. The operation is expected to last for a very long time (= Quagmire).
Wow, wotta surprise. Like all the rest of the JU tripe you post, sheer garbage, Spike
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07/27/2005 10:09 Comments ||
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Dot, I may have to cut and paste that one into the history books...
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Actually, I agree that we should have a new category for ememy propaganda, to include Jihad Unspun inanities, the Idiotic Imam of the week pronouncement, Durbin press releases and anything KOS puts out.
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GG2775 - you might want to clear your cookies and pick up a new nym from Fred's auto-generator (or set your own) - there's another "GG" posting right now that is prime flambait. Lol - fair warning... Don't wanna see a freindly fire incident, heh.
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I would also like to know what's up with Jihad Unspun. Is it being posted to mock, as the North Korean jibberish is from time to time, or do you think there is some value in this Mike?
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Some valid arguments here for asswipe media designed category where folk can post stories of propoganda for Jihadis or other foreign enemies. I enjoy laughing at their bullshit as well as seeing the sophistication levels of their media arms as they develop.
Zarq's new video for instance, I'd like to see that shite posted under such a category. Know thine enemy and all.
otherwise great job Fred et all.
Not to change the subject, but shit, I'm biting at the bit to see the Wolf Brigade show where they interview the jihadis... just add some English subtitles and we'd have the best seat this side of baghdad.
Cracked-out gay orgy lovin jihadi hard boyz confessing their crimes after being brutally beaten by the Iraqi SF, now that's entertainment!
Does anyone know if they've got the show's footage on the web yet, any subtitles if so?
From Jihad Unspun
In a dispatch posted at 5:40pm Mecca time Tuesday afternoon, the correspondent for Mafkarat al-Islam in Mosul reported that it had become known that massive US column under air cover provided by American warplanes was, at that moment, headed towards the city from Baghdad in the south. The correspondent reported that more than 200 US vehicles along with large numbers of Marines and commandos were heading towards the city to storm Mosul from the south. Meanwhile, US forces already deployed in the city had closed the five main bridges in the city, and were preventing anyone coming in or going out of Mosul.
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Good, if true. Even better if not -- let them rub their nerves raw panicking each time another rumour blows by their ears.
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Methinks there will be "offensives" on a continuous basis from now til Dec. 15, if the transition schedule holds. Besides keeping the pressure on and harvesting the gains from that (enemy mistakes, more intel, disrupt enemy plans), it's a good way to test the NCOs and officers and to "blood" Iraqi units.
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I don't have the exact CentCom numbers at hand, but I'd say the tens of thousands of US and Iraqi forces already there, kicking jihadi ass in the finest whack-a-tard tradition, would find the term "storm" quite amusing. Personally, I don't...
Truly a stupid post for those who are paying attention and reading far more honest and intelligent sources, such as Michael Yon - who is THERE. This article suffers from the "There's no there there." problem. It also fails the tests of being interesting, of peripheral / sidebar info value, or reality-based. It's just moronic. Y'know, not everyone should be permitted to drive the car (red: post articles), Dad. Some are just reckless, some are just blind, and some are so short-bus they just can't see over the steering wheel. This is a case in point.
Gosh, wait... Does telling the truth make me abusive? Gee, I always thought the truth was a sufficient defense from such asinine backstabbing and trollery. But this is a new day, full of PC toadies who play the Tranzi MultiCulti "All cultures are equal!" game with blog posters substituted into the equation. My bad. Excellent post! I'm thinking Blog Awards are in order! w00t! Please, moderators, shoot me before I offend again!
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This is the USA .com. The truth is an absolute defense. Since there is no truth to this articles information, there is no defence of it. Quite unlike your response which truthful and accurate.
One more point, This doesn't enlighten, inform or encourage the kind of debate anyone learns anything from. It's a jihadist propaganda article of the type that can be found all over the internet. We are all aware of their existance ( I hope). It's just wanking. It's the same kind of crap the TRANZIs post about their "victories". A waste of bandwidth.
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The worst thing of all about the Jihad Unspun stuff is that it could all be written automatically by a Markov Chain computer program.
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Let me add my voice to cingold's and Rafael's:
Quit posting from Jihad UnblownUp(fortoday)!
And MS, you are just plain wrong, as well.
If we want some agitprop from the enemy, all we have to do is surf over to JU (Do they know it spells "Jew"?) or turn on the TV or pick up a newspaper.
Old Media abounds with this alleged viewpoint of evil!
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Actually, if Mike could do more than just cut and paste... say, do a "Nuggets from Jihad Unspun" with snarky comments... it might be worthwhile. But at the moment it isn't, but you only find out after you've clicked the article that it's Yet More Jihad Unspun blather.
When in the past I pass on stuff from Pravda, I try to mark it in the subject line, so the disinterested and jaded can skip it.
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What is mike plain wrong about? I always thought he was posting the JU articles for giggle value.
Mike's Oklahoma City series was a nice piece of work.
#12
It's the lack of smartassery in his posts. It's too...antiseptic.
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07/27/2005 3:27 Comments ||
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Being English, I fear MS's irony glands are larger and more swollen than my own. Harumph.
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07/27/2005 4:31 Comments ||
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great blog .com. I loved this line, "While terrorists on earth do their best to keep us down, men and women boarded a space ship in Florida today, and flew into space."
#15
I resemble that remark about people who drive cars! ;-) And, just for the record, I've engaged a pilot friend to replace me as primary driving instructor for the trailing daughters.
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What is mike plain wrong about? I always thought he was posting the JU articles for giggle value.
Every indication is that Mikey believes it. For example, it took him quite a while to stop claiming there was absolutely nothing wrong with the Oil for Food program.
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07/27/2005 7:21 Comments ||
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I agree with Phil. We could make this a weekly feature, with a picture of Bagdad Bob, with some of the silliest claims. Reporting JU (oooooh, do they know what their initials spell?) straight is silly.
Of course, what I think isn't all that important, as I'm not the one spending hours and hours maintaining Rantburg. I'm happy with whatever Fred does.
#18
you already know what I think. Someone who spent years (literally) defending Kofi and Friends just let it slide away when proof that he was defending criminals, thieves and liars who assisted a tyrant in killing his own people was finally brought out. No apologies, no I see the light", just slithered away....Now, he's back. I have no respect for him, and his persistence in pushing JU 2-3 times a day makes me dislike his motives and methods even less.
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Markov Chain - that's great! an event with a long tail. Stand it up and you have A TALL TAIL!
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Well I'll just hang out and let people assume Ima familiar with a Markov Chain. Which I am of couse. I'd just like to see what Markov is doing these days.
#4
huh? Wonder if Mosul knows they're going to be stormed? Mikey and JU do...
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Frank I don't know how to post articles here ....but you might want to check out a article on Reuters.....the Iraqis have nabbed an aide to Ayman al- Zawahiri in IRAQ.
#6
Michael Yon's easily the best no-shit reporter and true journalist in Iraq. I don't recall who posted the first story from his site - maybe 4 months ago - but I want to thank them again. Sincerely. His writing and photos are honest real-time reporting of the first order. You can help with a PayPal tip, too - he's doing this without the expense account of the MSM jihadi-symp lardasses in the Green Zone hotel bars.
BTW, ST, I need to pick a bone here and your comment brought it to mind... don't take offense.
I do not accept that he's biased due to being embedded - I've been reading him for months, now. What he is is honest. That lie is MSM-speak for reporters who refused to follow the anti-US / anti-Military agenda ("Where's the dirt?") and reported the facts as they were witnessed. A reporter doesn't need to be a congenital asshole - he's supposed to report what he sees and discovers. Yon does that in spades. I refuse to let the MSM asswipes of today redefine reporting on their terms. Fuck Them. Yon's the man and they're utter shit. :-)
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GS - go the front pg - pick post an article, fill out the form. It's not hard, even I can do it. I looked at Rooters, but didn't see it, please post it
Frank
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Grins Sluper5274, to post an article, go to the top of the Rantburg page, click on Post your own article, and simple copy/paste into the labelled spaces. Make sure you put the article's url in the Source space, and edit out extra verbiage, to save Fred's wavelength for the all-important commentary. ;-)
I am able to do this, so I've no doubt you'll have no trouble.
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.com, no offence taken. (my fault, as may typing is very slow, I tend to make short sentences. My 2 fingers are a bit like a Predator flying over the keyboard looking for the right target to strike!)
Actually, all I wanted to say is that he does a better job then embedded reporters I have read or heard. He's been on my bookmarks for a few weeks as well.
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.com, I could not agree with you more about Michael Yon. He tells it like it is, warts and all. He also tells the story of what our soldiers and the Iraqi civilians are going through on a daily basis. It is amazing to me that the huge munitions cache that they found in Mosul was not even mentioned in the MSM. Yon respects the soldiers and what they do. He does not automatically think that they are lying hillbilly murderers who joined the military because it was the only job they could find. That IS the attitude of many of the rest of the MSM. That is part of why they can't report just the facts. And it is part of the reason why I would like to put a toilet seat on their face and crap down their throat.
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A couple of years ago, I read a book by a NE liberal author, whose son had decided to join the Marines. My youngest was in the same boat at that time.
All their prep-school friends' parents were shocked the kid wasn't going off to Harvard, and seemed to have the attitude that military service was for hillbilly murderers who joined the military because it was the only job they could find. (Pun intended, since that would include, it seems, Hilly and Billy, too.) The author also apparently felt that way, until his son joined up, and once he got over the shock, he quickly developed a new respect for the military! {Something about Father and Son, written by Frank Schaeffer, I think.}
An article in Smithsonian mag related how a young idealist baseball player joined up in WWI, along with all the liberal, elite college kids in Harvard and Yale, to fight the "war to end all wars". It turned out to be disillusioning, since it was pretty much a meat-grinder. It was even worse for the French, who lost a significant portion of their younger generation. It appears the experience, and subsequently, Viet Nam, was sufficient to sour both groups on the military.
If you don't want to serve, it's much easier to rationalize if those who do all somehow less human than you. You know, like how the Dems figgered 52% of the voters were too stupid to vote for Kerry?
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The name of the book was - Keeping Faith: A Father-Son Story About Love and the United States Marine Corps.
I recommend it, the better to understand the other liberal point of view, of course.
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There was an excerpt from the book (or maybe it was a precursor to the book) in the WSJ back in '02--the Rantburg posting is here.
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That's the book, and two of the money quotes.
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Bobby, for many years the USMC was the prefered service of Princeton, See my main man Geiger Roy,
Armed pirates off the coast of Somalia have tried to board an Italian tanker for the second time in less than a week, Italian port authorities said. The failed attack occurred on Tuesday morning about 137km from Somalia's coast and lasted only a few minutes, said First Sergeant Massimo Maccheroni, a spokesman for Italy's central port authority in Rome. None of the crew was harmed.
Maccheroni said pirates on two small vessels fired at the ship and tried to board the 24,000-tonne Cielo di Milano, but the crew reacted swiftly, increasing speed and activating the ship's anti-fire system, which sends strong jets of water gushing out from the sides of the tanker. The Italian tanker was coming from the Red Sea and continued on its way to Mombasa, Kenya, Maccheroni said.
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Maybe they should replace the water jets with something a bit more 'potent' - perhaps some 30 mm cannon? Ought to suffice against small speedboats, and 'discourage' them from coming around again.
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Why don't the shipping companies start to install ships armories with 25 or so shotguns. A combination of 00 buckshot and 12ga. emergency flares would ward off pretty much any of the scurrilous bastards floating around out there.
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Shotguns? We could kill two birds with one stone, so to speak...
Load the shotguns with rock salt and bacon rind... Being permanently implanted with pork will nmake some of those boys thing hell awaits... Can't enter heaven with pig fat in your backside...
Two people have been arrested in connection with the abductions of two Algerian diplomats last week, an Iraqi official said. Assistant Interior Minister Major General Hussein Ali Kamal told Aljazeera on Monday that the two were detained over the Baghdad abductions.
Also on Monday, the group led by al-Qaida's frontman in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, posted on a website pictures of identity papers apparently belonging to one of the two Algerian diplomats kidnapped in Iraq. A membership card of the Iraqi Hunting Club bearing the name of Ali Belaroussi written in Arabic was shown on a website. The document's authenticity could not be verified. Armed men seized Algeria's charge d'affaires, Belaroussi, and his colleague Ezzedin Ben Kadi as they were leaving their embassy by car last week. Al-Zarqawi loyalists claimed responsibility for the kidnappings in an internet statement on Saturday.
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udanese government troops and rebels attacked each other in Darfur in fresh violence but one analyst said yesterday the international community is willing to give a new unity government time to solve the problem. The African Union said rebels killed three government soldiers in an attack on a convoy in Darfur, where United Nations officials have said killing has decreased since January. âThe SLM (Sudan Liberation Movement) attacked a government convoy on Saturday. ... That is confirmed. ... Three (government) military personnel were killed in the attack,â said an AU official who did not want to be named.
A Sudanese official previously said the government responded to the attack on its convoy on Saturday with an assault the next day on nearby rebel camps. Rebels reported the government used helicopters in an attack along the main road between Al-Fasher and Nyala, hitting villages and killing seven civilians.
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If memory serves, the rebels are the good guys and the govt is the bad guys, right?
Where's my scorecard?
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Rebels are Turabi bad guyz, gummint troops are Bashir bad guyz.
Popcorn?
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Jordan denied on Tuesday reports that a number of culprits of the recent bomb attacks in the Egyptian resort of Sharm El-Sheikh carried fake Jordanian passports and used them for entry into Egyptian territories. A government statement said the Egyptian authorities notified the Jordanian authorities that the perpetrators of the explosions carried no Jordanian papers and affirmed keenness on coordination for combating and uprooting terrorism. Jordanian security authorities have been effectively monitoring the border exits to ensure security of the citiznes, the statement said.
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Fighting between Taliban militants and US and Afghan forces killed about 50 suspected militants and two Afghan soldiers, in the deadliest clashes in weeks ahead of crucial legislative elections, a provincial governor said on Tuesday. The fighting late Monday in Uruzgan provinceâs Dihrawud district came during an offensive against a militant camp, which had been used as a base for attacks in neighbouring areas, Gov Jan Mohammed Khan said. About 25 suspected insurgents were captured, he said, adding that Afghan forces were still finding the bodies of militants on Tuesday. An American military spokeswoman said she had no details. But a US military statement on Monday said that heavy fighting in the area had killed one American service member, an Afghan soldier and 11 militants. Three US troops and one Afghan soldier were also wounded, it said. The statement said American fighter jets and attack helicopters responded to a militant attack on a patrol that sparked the gunbattle.
Meanwhile, in fighting elsewhere, police arrested 10 suspected Taliban insurgents after clashes in southeastern Zabul province, said Ali Khail, a spokesman for the provincial governor. In neighboring Kandahar province, Taliban guerrillas attacked an Afghan patrol Monday night, triggering a gunbattle that left an Afghan soldier dead and a police officer badly wounded, said deputy district chief Haji Lala Khan. The latest fighting comes three days after the US military operational commander in Afghanistan, Maj-Gen Jason Kamiya, said in an interview that fighting in recent months had devastated the ranks of the Taliban. More than 800 people have been killed in a major upsurge in violence since March and US and Afghan officials have warned that it may threaten the parliamentary elections on Sept. 18.
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but Jihad Unspun sez 150 US troops killed, painfully...?
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Burrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrn baby!
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Woke up on the couch and see this...
Obviously the Taliban have not watched ac-130_gunship_over_afghanistan.avi .
If we didn't have such a prissy PR machine we would release it to the world. That sort of casual hunting might just give the Taliban and other fellow travelers some reality check on their way to joust with windmills. Might even make them forget the whole thing.
A tribal elder, who had helped the Pakistan Army hunt militants, was shot and wounded in South Waziristan, sources said on Tuesday. They added that some tribal elders did not turn up at a Jirga because of security concerns. Makeen Peace Committee president Ahmed Shah Mehsud was fired upon when he left home for a nearby market at 8:00am. "Unidentified gunmen in a car shot him," a government official told Daily Times, asking not to be named. "It is not clear how serious the wounds are," he added. Mehsud was admitted to a local hospital.
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Peshawar Corps Commander Lt Gen Safdar Hussain said on Tuesday that about 70 to 80 foreign terrorists were still in North Waziristan Agency. Gen Safdar told a private television channel that unfortunately some elements were still busy breeding terrorist tendencies among the local population in North Waziristan Agency. âAnti-Pakistan elements are indoctrinating young tribesmen in order to advance their ulterior motives. That is concerning and we wonât allow such elements to succeed,â he said.
The war on terrorism would be taken to its logical end, as the Pakistan Army was seriously and aggressively taking counter-terrorism steps, he added. The general, who also leads operations in both Waziristan agencies, said no country could match the successes made by the Pakistan Army in combating terrorist elements. âIn more than a year, Pakistani soldiers physically covered an area of 38,000 square kilometres and took part in 53 operations, killing 342 terrorists including about 175 foreigners and arresting 774 others,â an army press release quoted him as saying.
He said 252 soldiers including paramilitary personnel had also been killed while 550 had been injured. âI donât think security and intelligence agencies worldwide had been as successful as the Pakistan Army in the fight against terrorism,â Gen Safdar said, adding that with the help of an effective intelligence system, the command and control structure of terrorists had been hit hard and their network had largely been rendered inoperative.
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Look Gen Safdvr, if you need some help, just ask. We can kick the door down for ya.
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Lol, Gawd I love that pic!
Well, with only 70 to 80 furriners to go, things are looking mighty bright for North Waziristan! Gotta put on my shades! w00t! Obviously, it's time to crank up the NW Chamber of Commerce and roll out that tourism campaign!
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Hmmm ... one of the assumptions of any given nation's claim to sovereignty is that all of its defined territory is under the jurisdiction of its laws and such.
Since Waziristan has been declared a "lawless" region of Paki-skank-land, doesn't that in effect mean that for all practical purposes, Paki-skank-land has surrendered its sovereign rule over that region? After all, Paki-skank-land authorities claim they fear sending their army into this region (and these guys think they can take on India?).
You know where this is going, right? The U.S. should be allowed to have at them rats hanging out in Waziristan. A lawless region is just that: One in which the host nation surrenders its sovereign control of the given territory. So why the hell do we show such deference to Mushy and the Pakis?
A multi-volume chronology and reference guide set detailing three years of the Mexican Drug War between 2010 and 2012.
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RIYADH, Saudi Arabia, July 27 (UPI) -- Security forces arrested four people in western Saudi Arabia suspected of having links with al-Qaida, officials said Wednesday. Interior Ministry spokesman, Maj. Gen. Mansour bin Sultan al-Turki was quoted by the daily al-Jazeera as saying security forces captured the suspects in Medina.
Security forces yesterday arrested four terror suspects in Madinah. No casualties were reported in the early morning operation that took place in the southwest of the holy city, said Interior Ministry spokesman Gen. Mansour Al-Turki. The new arrests came a day after Saudi security forces captured Muhammad ibn Saeed Al-Siyam Al-Amri and two of his associates in Madinah and another terror suspect in Riyadh.
A MAN suspected of being one of the failed London suicide bombers was being questioned by anti-terror police today after they arrested four men in dawn raids. The suspect was shot with a Taser stun gun following a scuffle with officers during a swoop on a semi-detached house in Birmingham. One witness said the arrested man looked like Yasin Hassan Omar, 24, one of the men named as a suspect in last week's attacks. Detectives had feared that Somali-born Omar had returned to his London flat following the failed bombing attempt to collect more explosives. 
U.K. police arrested four men under anti-terrorism laws in Birmingham, central England, in connection with the July 21 attempted bombings on three London Underground subway trains and a bus. 
A man arrested in Birmingham by anti-terror police could be one of the suspects in the failed 21 July attacks, security sources have told the BBC. The man was held after being shot with a Taser stun gun and has been taken to London for questioning. A suspect package was found during his arrest and is being examined. 
A probe into the July 19 terrorist attack in Chechnya's Znamenskoye village has produced evidence suggesting that the criminal group led by Chechen warlord 
Iraqi commandos have captured an Egyptian said to be an associate of Ayman al-Zawahiri, al Qaeda's number two, police sources said on Wednesday. Police named the suspect as Hamdi Tantawi and said he was detained in a raid on a farmhouse near the town of Yusufiya, south of Baghdad. They said Tantawi was suspected of financing insurgent operations in the area.
Police are searching for more than a dozen Egyptians and local tribesmen believed to have played a direct role in the weekend terror attacks in this Red Sea resort, Egypt's deadliest ever, senior security officials said Wednesday. Egyptian police have come up with a list of 15 names believed connected to the three bombings, including a man identified as 
Pakistani security agencies have detained up to 600 suspected militants, clerics and Islamist activists in a country-wide crackdown during the past week, officials said on Wednesday.
Egyptian security sources say they have identified a man suspected of being one of the bombers who carried out last week's attacks in 
Armed pirates off the coast of Somalia have tried to board an Italian tanker for the second time in less than a week, Italian port authorities said. The failed attack occurred on Tuesday morning about 137km from Somalia's coast and lasted only a few minutes, said First Sergeant Massimo Maccheroni, a spokesman for Italy's central port authority in Rome. None of the crew was harmed.
udanese government troops and rebels attacked each other in Darfur in fresh violence but one analyst said yesterday the international community is willing to give a new unity government time to solve the problem. The African Union said rebels killed three government soldiers in an attack on a convoy in Darfur, where United Nations officials have said killing has decreased since January. âThe SLM (Sudan Liberation Movement) attacked a government convoy on Saturday. ... That is confirmed. ... Three (government) military personnel were killed in the attack,â said an AU official who did not want to be named.
Fighting between Taliban militants and US and Afghan forces killed about 50 suspected militants and two Afghan soldiers, in the deadliest clashes in weeks ahead of crucial legislative elections, a provincial governor said on Tuesday. The fighting late Monday in Uruzgan provinceâs Dihrawud district came during an offensive against a militant camp, which had been used as a base for attacks in neighbouring areas, Gov Jan Mohammed Khan said. About 25 suspected insurgents were captured, he said, adding that Afghan forces were still finding the bodies of militants on Tuesday. An American military spokeswoman said she had no details. But a US military statement on Monday said that heavy fighting in the area had killed one American service member, an Afghan soldier and 11 militants. Three US troops and one Afghan soldier were also wounded, it said. The statement said American fighter jets and attack helicopters responded to a militant attack on a patrol that sparked the gunbattle. 
A tribal elder, who had helped the Pakistan Army hunt militants, was shot and wounded in South Waziristan, sources said on Tuesday. They added that some tribal elders did not turn up at a Jirga because of security concerns. Makeen Peace Committee president Ahmed Shah Mehsud was fired upon when he left home for a nearby market at 8:00am. "Unidentified gunmen in a car shot him," a government official told Daily Times, asking not to be named. "It is not clear how serious the wounds are," he added. Mehsud was admitted to a local hospital.
Peshawar Corps Commander Lt Gen Safdar Hussain said on Tuesday that about 70 to 80 foreign terrorists were still in North Waziristan Agency. Gen Safdar told a private television channel that unfortunately some elements were still busy breeding terrorist tendencies among the local population in North Waziristan Agency. âAnti-Pakistan elements are indoctrinating young tribesmen in order to advance their ulterior motives. That is concerning and we wonât allow such elements to succeed,â he said.
