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2005-07-27 Britain

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Posted by BigEd 2005-07-27 12:51|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Just reading the questions is enough to make one retch.

Posted by Bobby 2005-07-27 13:21|| 2005-07-27 13:21|| Front Page Top

#2 I'd only ask that he reverse this tiny bit, as it would make all the difference in clarifying the actual war underway:

"ideology of this evil"

Then he'd get my vote, moronic domestic policies or not. On this occasion he has truly stepped up and delivered. Good on ya, Tony.

Thx, BigEd - I wanted to see the reference to Israel that Tony (UK) mentioned this morning, and which Rooters (IIRC) left OUT of their twisted Jooo-hating agenda-driven half-assed reporting.

Posted by .com 2005-07-27 13:25|| 2005-07-27 13:25|| Front Page Top

#3 Blair is just digging a bigger hole for himself. He says there's no justification for terrorism, quite rightly, but he forgets there was no justification for the Iraqi oil war and that he had to lie to get the UK involved. The sooner he goes the better.

Posted by Glese Grerenter3024 2005-07-27 13:51|| 2005-07-27 13:51|| Front Page Top

#4 oil war - speaking of tired lies and liars

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-07-27 14:05|| 2005-07-27 14:05|| Front Page Top

#5 2 years of debunking the same lame tired memery and there' still a large reservoir of morons, tools, and fools.

Sure thing, GG. Please, read it in one sitting for maximum effect. Then FOAD.

Posted by .com 2005-07-27 14:28|| 2005-07-27 14:28|| Front Page Top

#6 GG3024 - The "oil war" tag is at best specious on the facts but go ahead, suit yourself. There were some very good justifications for the ouster of Saddam Hussein but you'll be forgiven for taking the myopic short term view. My personal favorite comes to mind at the moment. Although they may not care for the present mayhem and uncertainty or be thrilled about the need for foreign troops on location, you'd be hardpressed to find more than a few kurds or shia (a large majority of Iraq mind you) who'd have Saddam or a sunni dictatorship again. As to Blair he is surely not without his shortcomings but I'd put it to you that he has been one of the more intelligent, articulate, thoughtful, sincere and effective leaders since (now put down your cup laddie) Thatcher. Would you refer to have Precious Georgie Galloway or similar scum at the helm? Indulge us and propound upon why it was that London got targeted and what it will take to change that state of affairs.

Posted by MunkarKat 2005-07-27 14:38|| 2005-07-27 14:38|| Front Page Top

#7 How did we in the West end up with so many fools who so obviously seek to undermine everything we do for freedom and prosperity? you know, journalists who "ask" questions begging moral equivalence, posters who "know" it's all about oil, demonstrators who "support" our troops, and millions who march for Saddam.

This is not a rhetorical question. I am puzzled by the sheer number and audacity of these fools. If it were the 18th century I'd long have killed dozens of them in duel.

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-07-27 14:46|| 2005-07-27 14:46|| Front Page Top

#8 Blair may be intelligent & articulate, compared to most American politicians, but it's easy to see through him particularly when he switches to his "emotional mode". Yes I would prefer Georgie Galloway, he made mincemeat of that dumb Senator, or Gordon Brown. Blair is a liar, he's not trusted by the majority of British people.
As for the reasons the USA spent $200 billion "liberating Iraq" and turning it into a moonscape, that was oil, not a single doubt about it.

Posted by Glese Grerenter3024 2005-07-27 14:49|| 2005-07-27 14:49|| Front Page Top

#9 Yep, a fuckwit is amongst us.

Shields Up! Lol!

Posted by .com 2005-07-27 14:55|| 2005-07-27 14:55|| Front Page Top

#10 Oooh, GiGi, moonbat of the moonscape.

Why don't you call him Bliar while you're at it. And can't you see it was cheaper to turn Iraq into a moonscape for the sake of Haliburton experiments, rather than going to the moon again? $200b is cheap. Plus we needed to destroy Iraq so that oil prices would rise to $60. Next we'll turn Afghanistan into a moonscape too!

Oiiiiiiil! Oiiiiiink!

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-07-27 15:11|| 2005-07-27 15:11|| Front Page Top

#11 Kalle, About your #7, I think it may come to that in the end. The GG's of the world "believe," and cannot be convinced otherwise. My grandfather used to say that only a fool arges with a fool. If true, where does that leave us?

Posted by SR-71 2005-07-27 15:33|| 2005-07-27 15:33|| Front Page Top

#12 Lockin' n' loadin'?

Posted by .com 2005-07-27 15:35|| 2005-07-27 15:35|| Front Page Top

#13 GG - Ah, you are a sharp one. Galloway's opportunism and psuedosocialist talk warms your wee little heart does it. Feels good so it must be. You like living in a free, democratic and civil society? Best not cast your lot with a demagogue like Galloway. By the time you wake up to become disillusioned the choices will no longer be yours to make. You'd trust him would you. Humor me more laddie! When he's dead and gone you'd find his legacy impossible to shrug off. His ilk live for lemmings like you. They feed on them. Hundreds every day. On a related topic when would you prefer the more calculating and cold-blooded among the IRA to start up again? Oh, and what of the shia and kurds in Iraq anyway? Perhaps you are correct GG. In the end the war might be in part about oil and how the revenue from that pumped out of Iraq might benefit the shia and kurds as well as a sunni clique and their minions.

Posted by MunkarKat 2005-07-27 15:40|| 2005-07-27 15:40|| Front Page Top

#14 Well at the moment it looks like the USA is creaming off all the oil revenue. Yes oil is $60 and that wasn't planned, but neither was the oil line being popped very few days by the "insurgents".
Incidentally and as a matter of interest, if you don't accept the obvious, what do you think the illegal invasion was all about, if not for oil?

Posted by Thuque Ulavitle9640 2005-07-27 15:43|| 2005-07-27 15:43|| Front Page Top

#15 It's all about oil, all right. Just cost me $42.00 to fill my tank. Thanks, Mr. Blair!

/sarcasm

Posted by Raj 2005-07-27 15:46|| 2005-07-27 15:46|| Front Page Top

#16 Incidentally and as a matter of interest, if you don't accept the obvious, what do you think the illegal invasion was all about, if not for oil?

Woooohooooo!! GG and TU, tagteam moonbats!

Posted by docob 2005-07-27 16:01|| 2005-07-27 16:01|| Front Page Top

#17 Oh my a totaly blind fuckwitt. Illegal war? According to whom? The TRANZIs? The MSM? Anyone who counts. You "enlightened" types were happy with the mass graves, industrial shredding of people and government workers who job descriptions were rapist. Take your silly games and be gone.

I am guessing this assclown has an "Oxford" IP. It's the same old tripe.

Posted by Sock Puppet 0â Doom 2005-07-27 16:04|| 2005-07-27 16:04|| Front Page Top

#18 LOL. DocB methinks they are siamese twins and therefore technically not tag teaming. The surgery to split them couldn't be contemplated because it was found that between the two nutters there wasn't even a full brain, let alone enough for two human beings. Funny, it seems the heart was also atrophied to about 20 sizes too small. All in all not very good for a human but just right for a lemming and one half.

Posted by MunkarKat 2005-07-27 16:10|| 2005-07-27 16:10|| Front Page Top

#19 If the war wasn't approved by the UN it's an illegal war. Mass graves? Most have been caused by the USA and no, it's just a fantasy about industrial shredders, just as WMD, links with terrorism etc.
Now this is real;

long tendentious reposting of an article deleted by moderators - learn to link, please

Posted by Thuque Ulavitle9640 2005-07-27 16:15|| 2005-07-27 16:15|| Front Page Top

#20 UN trumps US war approval? Bwahahahah - Go f&6k your UN approval. We don't need it. Same UN that gave Saddam Oilfor food money to spend on palaces while his people starved and were killed? You immoral assholes preach anything to me, you'll get a shiner at best. Liars and tranzi whores for a minor-league hitler is all you are. The only thing you should convey is your apologies to the dead in the mass graves

/rant whew!

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-07-27 16:18|| 2005-07-27 16:18|| Front Page Top

#21 ...said in a speech before an ACLU convention

Posted by BigEd 2005-07-27 16:19|| 2005-07-27 16:19|| Front Page Top

#22 How freaking dumb are you? The NYT has already posted a correction of that article. But then, of course they have since THEY ARE RUN BY THE US GOVERNMENT!! (Cue scary music)

And if it were for oil, why didn't we just do a deal with Saddam? Everyone could have made millions. Oh, that would be logic getting in the way wouldn't it. That nasty for profit business mentality.

Go back to crawling your feet up the wall and trying to suck your own dick.

Posted by remoteman 2005-07-27 16:24|| 2005-07-27 16:24|| Front Page Top

#23 So long, Thuque Ulavitle9640. I'm sure you'll crawl back from under that rock with a new name soon. This one is on the Poop list.

Posted by Steve">Steve 2005-07-27 16:28|| 2005-07-27 16:28|| Front Page Top

#24 International Law? Show me that?

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-07-27 16:37|| 2005-07-27 16:37|| Front Page Top

#25 You quote int'l law to justify your support for evil. I point to the fact that International law (the ICC, etal) have no jurisdiction over their betters.

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-07-27 16:39|| 2005-07-27 16:39|| Front Page Top

#26 There's a huge difference between contrary views and outright lies, you, whatever your name is. The mass graves in Iraq were certainly not caused by U.S. soldiers and you know that very well. As for the war, Saddam Hussein violated several resolutions which the U.N. passed, but was too greedy (based on the fact that several members of the U.N. were accepting oil bribes under the condition that they would not uphold their own resolutions) to enforce. Therefore, if Saddam's war crimes did not justify it already, the U.S. had a perfect excuse for going to war. I suggest that you better familiarize yourself with reality before you make any more allegations against the United States.

Posted by Educated 2005-07-27 16:51|| 2005-07-27 16:51|| Front Page Top

#27 Should we put Saddam back in power? let him torture and murder forever? You, GG/TU/UU are disgusting and there is no innocent reason for your propaganda. You do not deserve to live in the free world. Keep up your work and your life will be short.

The liberation of Iraq was and is a noble act, principally motivated by American self-interest: the end of a murderous tyrant who has supported terrorists for decades, the spread of free institutions in the Middle East, and the positioning of military forces to take out other tyrannies in the Middle East.

There is no need to beg for UN permission for such good deeds, on the contrary it has become evident that the UN is a tool used by evil forces to perpetuate tyranny around the world. We've had enough of it. We don't need any more of your contemptible lies.

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-07-27 16:53|| 2005-07-27 16:53|| Front Page Top

#28 Yes I would prefer Georgie Galloway, he made mincemeat of that dumb Senator, or Gordon Brown. Blair is a liar, he's not trusted by the majority of British people. As for the reasons the USA spent $200 billion "liberating Iraq" and turning it into a moonscape, that was oil, not a single doubt about it.

What kind of fool believes that.... oh, yeah, that's right: you're a student from Oxford. My son (or maybe daughter), we have a little saying in the United States: you have been educated beyond your intelligence. Let me help you out:

1) George Galloway is a political water boy who cringes for the highest (or perhaps lowest) bidder. That was the Marxists/Greens, now itâs the Muslims. Whatever: he will go to any length keep his cushy job feeding off of the public trough. Just like most other politicians.

2) The ability to yell tired platitudes louder than Sen Norm Coleman can ask you questions does not make you an intellectual giant. It doesnât even make you an intellectual. It just makes you loud.

3) If we wanted Saddamâs oil we simply could simply have bought it from him. It would have been easier and cheaper in both the short as well as long term. A ten-year-old could tell you that, so please donât insult anybodiesâ intelligence by implying that Bush and Blair somehow could not.

4) I spent some time there back in the 90's: great architecture, good food, pretty girls. Forget about arguing with us, leave your dorm room, and go have some fun. Life is too short.

5) You know, we had one of you Oxford guys as president. His "grasp" of foreign policy was remarkably similar to yours. A nice guy, but a very bad president as his inaction helped to create exactly the situation we are arguing about right now.

Posted by Secret Master 2005-07-27 16:53|| 2005-07-27 16:53|| Front Page Top

#29 Fooey! Ima love the GG 4859

tr_prr4859

This n stinks smells like dead Trotsky meat.

Posted by Shipman 2005-07-27 16:54|| 2005-07-27 16:54|| Front Page Top

#30 Um Fred, what's the IP class this twit is using? I'd block randomly 25 at a pop. Most wankers have a short attention span and are easily frustrated.

Posted by Shipman 2005-07-27 16:56|| 2005-07-27 16:56|| Front Page Top

#31 Yes, I'm sure you will. In the meanwhile, we'll just filter out this second name, issue a strongly worded report to your Internet Service Provider ... and take a few other steps we don't need to discuss here.

Posted by rkb 2005-07-27 17:03|| 2005-07-27 17:03|| Front Page Top

#32 Yes I would prefer Georgie Galloway, he made mincemeat of that dumb Senator, or Gordon Brown. Blair is a liar, he's not trusted by the majority of British people.

Georgie? Georgie?!

Most Londoners at this moment, apart from the mooks who voted for him, would like to beat him to death with a shovel.

'I salute your courage, your strength, and your indefatigability.' Strewth. Chat with any Iraqis in the UK? Any Kurds? Dick.

Posted by Howard UK 2005-07-27 17:03|| 2005-07-27 17:03|| Front Page Top

#33 So, UU you DO wish Saddam were still in power. Shall we return him to power? after all, he's never done anything bad, according to you. And if he did, it was all the USA's fault anyway, right?

Just one question to settle your claims, just ONE: Have you ever heard of Abu Nidal? that will take care of your "no links with terrorism". And everything else you say can be and has been refuted.

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-07-27 17:05|| 2005-07-27 17:05|| Front Page Top

#34 Please yourself, it won't stop me.
Secret Master-Norm Coleman was made to look the fool he is. As for just buying Saddam's oil that's not the point, it's a simpleton's view. The idea was to control the world's second largest oil reserves, pump oil as fast as possible, and undercut OPEC forcing world prices down. It hasn't worked of course because Iraq's oil supply has been routinely sabotaged.
But this is an indication of what was at stake.;
"In the past, dependence on oil has cost our economy dearly. Oil price shocks and price manipulation by the OPEC cartel from 1979 to 1991 cost the U.S. economy about $4 trillion, almost as much as we spent on national defence over the same time period and more than the interest payments on the national debt. Each major price shock of the past three decades was followed by an economic recession in the United States. With growing U.S. imports and increasing world dependence on OPEC oil, future price shocks are possible and would be costly to the U.S. economy."
(Source: U.S. Department of Energy, Spring 2002.)

Posted by Thineter Hupomogum5832 2005-07-27 17:09|| 2005-07-27 17:09|| Front Page Top

#35 Can't figure out this linking concept, can you?

Posted by Matt 2005-07-27 17:11|| 2005-07-27 17:11|| Front Page Top

#36 Who do I believe, kid, these guys or you? If so, why? What are your sources?

Since the Saddam Hussein regime was overthrown in May, 270 mass graves have been reported. By mid-January, 2004, the number of confirmed sites climbed to fifty-three. Some graves hold a few dozen bodiesâtheir arms lashed together and the bullet holes in the backs of skulls testimony to their execution. Other graves go on for hundreds of meters, densely packed with thousands of bodies.

"We've already discovered just so far the remains of 400,000 people in mass graves," said British Prime Minister Tony Blair on November 20 in London. The United Nations, the U.S. State Department, Amnesty International, and Human Rights Watch (HRW) all estimate that Saddam Hussein's regime murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent people. "Human Rights Watch estimates that as many as 290,000 Iraqis have been 'disappeared' by the Iraqi government over the past two decades," said the group in a statement in May. "Many of these 'disappeared' are those whose remains are now being unearthed in mass graves all over Iraq."

If these numbers prove accurate, they represent a crime against humanity surpassed only by the Rwandan genocide of 1994, Pol Pot's Cambodian killing fields in the 1970s, and the Nazi Holocaust of World War II.

Come on now: put down that copy of Das Kapital and go have a pint. I seem to remember The Eagle and Child on St Giles was pretty nice. Tolkien and CS Lewis used to drink there if I am not mistaken.

Posted by Secret Master 2005-07-27 17:11|| 2005-07-27 17:11|| Front Page Top

#37 Kalle- Well actually yes I would prefer Saddam to the Mongol hoards. Certainly less people losing their lives, hospitals, electricity and water in a much better state than now. As for your mention of Abu Nidal that's a very tenious link at the best. Saddam and Bid laden were not exactly the best of pals.

Posted by Thineter Hupomogum5832 2005-07-27 17:11|| 2005-07-27 17:11|| Front Page Top

#38 Secret Master have you been brain washed in some way? You seem totally out of touch with world opinion.

Posted by Thineter Hupomogum5832 2005-07-27 17:13|| 2005-07-27 17:13|| Front Page Top

#39 Sorry I can't help Matt. If you do succeed I will change my IP address especially for you.

Posted by Thineter Hupomogum5832 2005-07-27 17:14|| 2005-07-27 17:14|| Front Page Top

#40 PM admits graves claim 'untrue'
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1263830,00.html

Peter Beaumont, foreign affairs editor
Sunday July 18, 2004
The Observer

Downing Street has admitted to The Observer that repeated claims by Tony Blair that '400,000 bodies had been found in Iraqi mass graves' is untrue, and only about 5,000 corpses have so far been uncovered.

Posted by Thineter Hupomogum5832 2005-07-27 17:15|| 2005-07-27 17:15|| Front Page Top

#41 ROFL! We haven't had an asshole this determined since Boris' glory days!

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2005-07-27 17:17|| 2005-07-27 17:17|| Front Page Top

#42 Editors, I read through this thread and the troll is doing what he did last night, which is to throw out a bunch of allegations, long quotes from dubious sources and not respond to counter-arguments. In addition he (I doubt its a she) is using abusive terms and phrasing like 'rightwing rabble', which I suspect is unconcious and standard in the circles he moves in.

Yesterday he was entertaining for a couple of hours, today he is just noise. I propose you TROLL him.

Posted by phil_b 2005-07-27 17:21|| 2005-07-27 17:21|| Front Page Top

#43 We've seen this story before. The Leftist drone will make wild charges, cut and past in text from lying tranzi moonbat sites that we've all seen a hundred times pasted in by previous (or the same?) moonbats, then change topics and accusations as each is refuted with the same facts as the moonbat yesterday was hit with.

BORING.

Posted by Laurence of the Rats">Laurence of the Rats 2005-07-27 17:23|| http://www.punictreachery.com/]">[http://www.punictreachery.com/] 2005-07-27 17:23|| Front Page Top

#44 Enough of this moron. No more feeding the trolls. He has said he would prefer Saddam back in power. He does not deserve response-one from the other readers of this site. He will have judges far more harsh than us to deal with in the future.

Posted by remoteman 2005-07-27 17:25|| 2005-07-27 17:25|| Front Page Top

#45 UU5507: a quick rebuttal, you deserve nothing more.

1) Various UN and non-US NGOâs have been excavating the mass graves in Iraq. The 400,000 number is firm and from them. More are being uncovered every day.

If it was only 30,000, would that mean it was okay for Saddam to murder women and children?

2) The U.S. did not supply poison gas to either Iraq or Iran in their war; both sides made their own. The ingredients for chlorine, phosgene, and nerve gas are common, and any moderately technical, industrial society can make them. It is not hard. Even you could do it with a bucket of ammonia and a bucket of bleach (donât try this at home).

3) The sanctions did not kill 500,000 children; that was a number Saddam bantered around. Virtually all of the images and words put out by the Iraqi regime during the time of sanctions was a lie, and is acknowledged as such -- bitterly -- by Iraqis today. There was no DU poisoning, and the âdead babiesâ parades were expressly organized by Saddam to dupe people like you.

If we accept that the sanctions were harmful, to the extent that children were dying, removing the sanctions by removing Saddam would be good, would it not?

4) The U.S. did not arm Saddam. According to the UN Agency for Disarmament, which monitors arm sales around the world, the USSR/Russia provided Saddam with 57% of his foreign arms purchases. China supplied another 13%. The US provided 0.03%.

Note that the Iraqi army was equipped with Russian tanks, not American, used Russian AK-47 rifles, not M-16s, flew Russian aircraft, not American, and so on.

5) The number of Iraqi civilians dead as a result of the liberation, and in the time thereafter, is about 25,000. This includes the civilians killed by the Baâathists and jihadis.

6) The liberation was not illegal under American law. American law does not recognize the UN Charter as supreme, nor does it recognize other international conventions as supplanting our own Constitution. The U.S. Congress expressly authorized the action, and that makes it legal for us.

Iâll say it again: we donât recognize international law as superior to our own.

7) If we wanted Iraqi oil, we could have bought it. Dick Cheney would have negotiated for it over breakfast and a tortured Kurd. Saddam offered to sell us oil at below-market price if we dropped the sanctions.

Further, if we wanted to go to war for oil, weâd invade Alberta. Itâs closer.

8) There were numerous, extensive links between Saddam and international terrorists, including Al Qaeda. This has been documented by several investigators. Saddam supported various Palestinian terrorist groups, supported terrorist groups in neighboring countries, and had contacts with Al Qaeda that included protecting various al-Q people.

That will do for a start. However, you'll be in read-only mode for R-burg, as I will shortly be trolling your ass. AoS.

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2005-07-27 17:28|| 2005-07-27 17:28|| Front Page Top

#46 Secret Master have you been brain washed in some way?

Not unless you count my Anglican education.

You seem totally out of touch with world opinion.

Naw, kid, I just don't care about world opinion. Listen the article you provided also says that "Forensic examination of grave sites has been hampered by lack of security in Iraq, amid widespread complaints by human rights organisations that until recently the graves have not been secured and protected."

I would also like to mention that al-Gaurdian is not exactly a respectable news source. It's more like the Pravda of the British left.

Posted by Secret Master 2005-07-27 17:31|| 2005-07-27 17:31|| Front Page Top

#47 Facts Lawrence? You don't have any facts just fantasies.
I see your moderators are busy deleting my facts already, obviously too sensitive for your eyes.
Live in ignorance if you want, keep denying the truth as long as possible. Your Government-your problem.

Posted by Thineter Hupomogum5832 2005-07-27 17:44|| 2005-07-27 17:44|| Front Page Top

#48 He's gone? That's too bad: I enjoyed being called a member of the "Right Wing Rabble." Or maybe that should be Wight Wing Wabble

Posted by Secret Master 2005-07-27 17:51|| 2005-07-27 17:51|| Front Page Top

#49 Heh.

Posted by Howard UK 2005-07-27 17:53|| 2005-07-27 17:53|| Front Page Top

#50 the guardian will not be in business in 5 yrs - Britons are waking up to teh cancer within, and it may extend to comfy sinecures at Oxford for ~~unemployed parasites~~ students who espouse ideology that would make them more welcome elsewhere. We'll see how Daddy and Mum feel about your leechhood then., ta-ta

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-07-27 17:53|| 2005-07-27 17:53|| Front Page Top

#51 :-)

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-07-27 17:57|| 2005-07-27 17:57|| Front Page Top

#52 Anything to the left of Genghis Khan is left wing compared to you Secret master.

Link: That's me. Handsome devil, no?

Posted by Secret Master 2005-07-27 17:57|| 2005-07-27 17:57|| Front Page Top

#53 The Guardian actually holds the centre ground in real life

Which is why they have dedicated Marxists on staff and hired a member of Hizb-ut-Tahrir.

Let's all stop feeding the troll. He's just an idiot looking for attention.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-07-27 18:04|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-07-27 18:04|| Front Page Top

#54 If you are trying to convince me that Madeleine Albright is an idiot, consider me convinced!

Posted by Secret Master 2005-07-27 18:07|| 2005-07-27 18:07|| Front Page Top

#55 Frankly my dear, I don't give a damb... about world opinion.

(For our moonbat friends.)

Posted by SR-71 2005-07-27 18:09|| 2005-07-27 18:09|| Front Page Top

#56 Further, if we wanted to go to war for oil, weÃ¯Â¿Â½d invade Alberta. ItÃ¯Â¿Â½s closer.

And less well defended.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-07-27 18:10|| 2005-07-27 18:10|| Front Page Top

#57 logic and cost effectiveness have no effect on teh ill

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-07-27 18:11|| 2005-07-27 18:11|| Front Page Top

#58 Secret Master:

Or as John F'ing Kerry calls him, Gin Jess Khan

Posted by BigEd 2005-07-27 18:12|| 2005-07-27 18:12|| Front Page Top

#59 Piece of shit anti-American fuck.

Let's all get together and make excuses for ME powers and give them a break? And all those poor powerless countires, lets make America leave them alone, am I hearing you right?

Too bad British Academia is working so hard to paint the US as evil. Perhaps you should stick to your coffee house chatter with your islamofascist boyfriend.

You understand the bombers, and why they hit your subway, assmunch? Do you feel sorry for them for suffering under the evil West? Take your happy ass to live in Waziristan then bitch boy.

So, piss off Oxford boy until you have something valid to say.

Sorry Fred et all, I couldn't let this one slide.

EP

Posted by ElvisHasLeftTheBuilding 2005-07-27 18:13|| 2005-07-27 18:13|| Front Page Top

#60 It explains perhaps why you are all out of touch with reality.

As opposed to an academic from Oxford? HELLO!
Link: I've been to Oxford!

I've been to Oxford!

Posted by Secret Master 2005-07-27 18:14|| 2005-07-27 18:14|| Front Page Top

#61 Ima now wonder that maybe it is boris, most paki cleaners don't have this sorta time.

Posted by Shipman 2005-07-27 18:16|| 2005-07-27 18:16|| Front Page Top

#62 BigEd:

I think I like myself better as John Wayne.

Posted by Secret Master 2005-07-27 18:17|| 2005-07-27 18:17|| Front Page Top

#63 Is it true that to be a Socialist Worker at Oxford, they require for you to submit to surgery and have 1/2 of your brain removed?

Just wondering?

Posted by BigEd 2005-07-27 18:20|| 2005-07-27 18:20|| Front Page Top

#64 OK - "The Duke"

Posted by BigEd 2005-07-27 18:21|| 2005-07-27 18:21|| Front Page Top

#65 The moonbats love international law. You know, Hitler WOULD have effectively written international law if the allies hadn't put paid to his reign of terror. Whether our course of action to protect ourselves (and our feckless compatriots in the West) against this century's totalitarianism is correct or not can be discussed, but don't even try to suggest that it is illegal for us to protect our nation. Internation LAW is a fiction beloved of Tranzi fools and leftist fellow travellers.

Posted by SR-71 2005-07-27 18:23|| 2005-07-27 18:23|| Front Page Top

#66 Thanks Ed!

Posted by Secret Master 2005-07-27 18:27|| 2005-07-27 18:27|| Front Page Top

#67 Another unsufferable display of pompous authoritarianism by an ignorant Euro-bigot. Has Oxford really sunk so low? Given what has happened at my alma mater of Cornell, it is at least possible.
The Guardianistas and like-minded media tools are probably the most evil and depraved large group of people in history, Nazis and Bolsheviks notwithstanding. Some of the latter totalitarians acted from principle; hateful, perverse and demonic priniciples it is truth, but principles just the same. The media beasts incite terrorism and taunt its victims out of greed and a kind of sadistic joy in otherwise useless power of their own nihilism. They are vermin and they should be exterminated.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2005-07-27 18:30|| 2005-07-27 18:30|| Front Page Top

#68 Julius Streicher: Follow his path, share his fate.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2005-07-27 18:32|| 2005-07-27 18:32|| Front Page Top

#69 The Guardian actually holds the centre ground in real life.

If your name is Vladimir Lenin it might be. Otherwise it might be just be what is is a low circulation TRANZI rag.

Posted by Sock Puppet 0â Doom 2005-07-27 18:33|| 2005-07-27 18:33|| Front Page Top

#70 I don't know about having 1/2 of your brain removed, but I bet you have to submit to something

Posted by Secret Master 2005-07-27 18:34|| 2005-07-27 18:34|| Front Page Top

#71 You seem totally out of touch with world opinion.

Kind of like Winston Churchill was when he and Great Britain held out alone against the Nazis in the darkest hours of WWII. I pray that fighting spirit remains on your island, and that you are an aberration.

Posted by docob 2005-07-27 18:37|| 2005-07-27 18:37|| Front Page Top

#72 Just after 9-11, Guardian pig Charlotte Raven produced a terror-apologist screed entitled "A Bully With a Bloody Nose is Still a Bully," the bully in question being the United States.
Our bullying apparently consists of Saddam Hussein his ambition to massacre Shiites and Kurds and resume his quest for weapons of mass destruction. Another cause of grief and resentment among the Islamofascists and their British whores is, of course, our failure to allow a new Holocaust in Israel. In fact, Raven's column is pure projection, since her anger and that of her Muslim masters is based purely on our failure to accede their terror-backed demands.

A few weeks later, a different Guardian trollop demanded that the dead from the WTC be left unidentified so the money that would be spent on this could be donated to third world dictators as an absolution of American sins. It is one thing to criticize, it is another to incite the murder of innocents. Al Guardian goes beyond even the latter, not only inciting the murder of innocents but taunting their grieving families by dehumanizing the murdered.
Raven needs her own rather prominent nose hacked off and handed to her, or perhaps cooked first and served up to Fisk, Pilger, and Galloway as their final meal.

I am not engaging in simple invective when I call these people whores. Arab investors and philanthropists own the academic community and the investor class in the UK. The media beasts are second order prostitutes, catering not to the paymasters directly but to the first order prostitutes who do. They are worse than Streicher, who committed his depraved acts for a nominal salary.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2005-07-27 18:48|| 2005-07-27 18:48|| Front Page Top

#73 second paragraph should read:

Our bullying apparently consists of denying Saddam Hussein.....

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2005-07-27 18:51|| 2005-07-27 18:51|| Front Page Top

#74 ...I bet you have to submit to something

It depends on what the meaning of SUBMIT is...

Posted by BigEd 2005-07-27 19:30|| 2005-07-27 19:30|| Front Page Top

#75 "Blair is a liar, he's not trusted by the majority of British people."
Ummm, so that's why the majority of British people voted for him?

I read this as being some Paki or Saudi who's attending summer school at Oxford. He can't go home for the summer because either:
a. He's on the shit list back at home, or...
b. He doesn't have a valid U.K. visa anymore and won't be able to come back, or...
c. His welfare benefits would end if he left that long, or...
d. He failed "Introduction to Logic" and has to take it again, or...
e. All of the above.

Posted by Neutron Tom 2005-07-27 20:12|| 2005-07-27 20:12|| Front Page Top

#76 he's on the janitorial staff and can only access computers after real users are gone? Hellooooo Mr. minimum wage! Can you say "Malt vinegar with them chips"?

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-07-27 20:26|| 2005-07-27 20:26|| Front Page Top

#77 OR: he could be a student keeping weird hours or a net admin pulling the late shift or .....

Posted by rkb 2005-07-27 20:53|| 2005-07-27 20:53|| Front Page Top

#78 Or he really could be fron Jersey, New Jersey that is.

Posted by Sock Puppet 0â Doom 2005-07-27 21:08|| 2005-07-27 21:08|| Front Page Top

#79 Great reply Steve. I only wish verifiable facts meant anything to a hard leftist like Oxford. A few clarifications:

1. The number of known mass graves is now over 300 with an estimated 500,000 bodies (Der Spiegel, May 20 2005).
2. Iraqi mustard gas was of Soviet process and the equipment for Tabin, Sarin, and VX came primarily from Germany.
3. That bogus UNICEF report was written by officials of Saddam's Ministry of Health and isn't fit to be toilet paper.
4. Don't forget Iraq got 13% of its arms from France. Iraq owed each of these countries a lot of money for those arms.
5. This year about 800 Iraqi civilians/month are dying with terrorist car bombs and criminal (Sunni and Baathist) gangs taking almost the whole total.
7. Too bad it isn't an oil war. Think of the 20 million barrels/day of sweet, sweet crude in the Persian Gulf for the taking and 10s of millions of Arab refugees streaming into Europe for Oxford to genuflect over. A true win-win.

Posted by ed 2005-07-27 21:38|| 2005-07-27 21:38|| Front Page Top

#80 Ed - you might wanna Macro that true response for all the good it does against "true believers"

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-07-27 21:50|| 2005-07-27 21:50|| Front Page Top

#81 The morality of International Law is much more suspicious than Bush's FORMER connections with the Oil industry: It arose as a mutual recognition of the divine right of kings, who were given, by that same law, the "freedom" to slaughter their own citizens with as much abandon as Saddam has to his own citizens. Even though the term "crime against humanity" was not invented until the 20th century, that does not detract from the fact that it describes actions that had been done for millentia before that. The Church, at the time, demanded that such crimes be punished, usually by one king invading and conquering another. The kings made agreements among themselves, fabricating the basic tenets of mutual non-interference so that they would not be under threat from each other. They then would cite "international law" to the church and justify non-intervention on the basis of needing to "keep one's word".

Those citing International Law in the face of systematic murder are the New Pharisees, more intent on ensuring that the letter of the law is kept while ignoring the human suffering being excused and overlooked by it. And like the Old Pharisees, the New Ones only recognize violations of morality when OTHERS do it, but never when THEY do it.

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