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-Short Attention Span Theater-
Captured Jihadi Training Film Shows Why Car Bombs R Used
Posted by: Jealet Churong3520 || 07/26/2005 19:24 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Yesssssh, I enjoyed it in 1902 - or wuz it 2002?

Anyway - cute.....
Posted by: Bobby || 07/26/2005 21:17 Comments || Top||

#2  Looks like a .458 Winchester mag or a .460 Remington mag. Thats not acting either they really will do that if you dont hold on. Yeeeeeeehaaaaaaaa!
Posted by: Bigjim-ky || 07/26/2005 21:55 Comments || Top||

#3  Wotta wuss.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 07/26/2005 22:05 Comments || Top||

#4  I first saw that video about 3 years ago. They're shooting a .577 Tyrannosaur. The muzzle energy is 3-4 times a typical .30-06
(http://www.accuratereloading.com/577tyr.html)
Posted by: mark anderson || 07/26/2005 22:43 Comments || Top||


'Bin Laden's Drugs Plot To Kill Thousands'
Osama bin Laden tried to buy a massive amount of cocaine, spike it with poison and sell it in the United States hoping to kill thousands, according to reports.The plot failed when Colombian drug lords decided it would be bad for business if they got involved in the deal.
Ya don't say. Few more shrewd bidness people in the world than a Columbian drug dealer.
An investigation by the US Drug Enforcement Administration has examined how advanced the plot became when it was hatched a year after the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington. The Washington Post has reviewed a document detailing the DEA's findings in the matter, in addition to interviewing sources familiar with the case.

Osama bin Laden personally met leaders of a Colombian drug cartel to in 2002 to negotiate the purchase of tons of cocaine, saying that he was willing to spend tens of millions of dollars to finance the deal. "They wanted to kill thousands of people - more than the World Trade Centre," said a source.

Although the drug lords would have reaped millions of dollars in profits by selling the cocaine to bin Laden, they knew that if his plan succeeded it might effectively destroy the market for their cocaine in America.
They prob'ly recalled the fairy tale about the Golden Goose ...
The other was their fear of retaliation from the US government once its citizens started to die from the drugs, according to sources.
And we might not take the trouble to figure out the final points of who did what ...
In 2002, the then DEA Director Asa Hutchinson said: "The DEA [has] received multi-source information that Osama bin Laden himself has been involved in the financing and facilitation of heroin-trafficking activities.

"It is important we recognise that when money goes from the pocket of an American to buy drugs, it may contribute to the financing of unspeakable crimes of violence around the world."

Earlier this year, Afghan tribal leader Hajji Bashir Noorzai who was one of the most wanted drug dealers in the world and previously had been identified as bin Laden's major heroin supplier, was arrested in New York City on federal criminal charges.
Source?
I found the source, it's Drudge; now added. Nockeyes, you need to have a source or your post is very likely to be deleted. AoS.
Posted by: nockeyes nilberforce || 07/26/2005 14:19 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What's with these people??? Don't they hold anything sacred???
Posted by: danking70 || 07/26/2005 14:37 Comments || Top||

#2  source can be found via Drudge
Posted by: Jeath Sheck4194 || 07/26/2005 14:42 Comments || Top||

#3  Islam... the opiate of the massgraveses
Posted by: Hyper || 07/26/2005 14:45 Comments || Top||

#4  This is already on Page 2, with a comment from the poster as well. Different links, but the articles are not substantially different.
Posted by: Dar || 07/26/2005 15:31 Comments || Top||

#5  You're right. I started looking at page 1 and didn't check page 2. Aarrrgh. Now Emily will start teasing me again about the 'no duplicates' policy.
Posted by: Steve White || 07/26/2005 16:08 Comments || Top||

#6  Well, if she's not available, I will.
Posted by: Steve || 07/26/2005 16:13 Comments || Top||

#7  ahhhh infighting among the AOS! Here's the crack in the wall we needed!
Posted by: Frank G || 07/26/2005 16:17 Comments || Top||

#8  Don't even try, Frank. I've got Steves' back and so do a couple other folks here LOL.
Posted by: rkb || 07/26/2005 16:19 Comments || Top||

#9  LOL! I mean yes. Now is our chance. Keep an eye out for mauve and soon we'll have um.... soon we'll have....

Suddenly an elderly Golden Retriever spoke up..... stop this now b4 it's too late.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 16:26 Comments || Top||

#10  LOL!
Posted by: Frank G || 07/26/2005 16:38 Comments || Top||

#11  I smell rats, here. While Osama ol' boy wouldn't know it, the "drug lords" would. First of all, you're talking distributing a huge amount of cocaine without interdiction, down to street level. Second, all the major US cities get bad batches of drugs all the time, they're used to it, and get the word out to users and dealers pretty effectively. Third, cocaine is unusual in that it has two markets: powder for the rich and crack for the poor. Dealers of powder do *not* want to sell bad product to rich people--they would come up with a test very quickly to maintain quality assurance. This leaves crack, most consumed by the very lowest classes in the US. As a country, would the US even mind, or even notice, if we lost a few thousand crack addicts?
Posted by: Anonymoose || 07/26/2005 16:56 Comments || Top||

#12  Mass casualties in drug addicts would not be an effective way for Binny to create terror in the general populace. The general populace would not give a rat's behind about addicts' massive dieoffs. Just one of those plans in the universe of ideas that did not go anywhere.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 07/26/2005 17:10 Comments || Top||

#13  Let me guess - after this operation, bin Laden's next big thing would have been to destroy large sections of the Bronx.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 07/26/2005 18:13 Comments || Top||

#14  How would Bin Laden meet with Colombian drug cartel members in the first place?
Posted by: Shinetch Slerenter7807 || 07/26/2005 18:16 Comments || Top||

#15  If Binny's got all the Heroin from Afghanistan as the article says why not just use that, he got some love for the smack that he can't pollute it and send it to the heathen Americans?

There are all sorts of ludicrosities in this article. 1 that Binny has to meet with the Columbians to actually buy cocaine directly from the cartels. That's stupid, he could have bought all he wanted through a proxy and done what he damn well wnted with it. Is there some questionnaire you have to fill out to buy from the cartels these days? Mother's maiden name, source of income, last large shipment of cocaine you received and 3 references? Oh and I forgot, two forms of picture ID.

But to follow a previous line of thought, why kill the most useless members of a society? To scare the rest of us? Whatever, Phuck the crackheads, good riddance. This might actually save us money when we don't have to spend healthcare dollars on them. I think we need to file this one under B for bullshit.

EP
Posted by: ElvisHasLeftTheBuilding || 07/26/2005 18:31 Comments || Top||

#16  Nobody's convincing me that OBL traveled to Colombia in 2002 or even dared to receive visitors from Colombia.
Posted by: Neutron Tom || 07/26/2005 19:31 Comments || Top||

#17  Columbia Records - they wanted to market his CD sermon's and Fatwa DVD's
Posted by: Frank G || 07/26/2005 20:25 Comments || Top||

#18  Methinks this plan might invoke the law of unintended consequence. Cocaine usage might be a touch higher in areas of Blue America than Red. End result might not be to Osama's favour.
Posted by: john || 07/26/2005 20:38 Comments || Top||

#19  "Big Hollywood Moonbats Hardest Hit"
Posted by: Ebbaviting Glalet8043 || 07/26/2005 22:59 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Tip-offs lead to the arrest of #10 on most wanted list
Tip-offs from Saudi citizens led the security forces to arrest three terror suspects on Monday, including number ten on Saudi Arabia's 36 most wanted list. A statement from the interior ministry, carried by the Saudi Press Agency, said 25-year-old Muhammad ibn Saeed al-Siyam al-Amri, was arrested in Medina, along with two of his associates.

Al-Amri was arrested "after a group of citizens followed him and informed [the authorities] about him. Security forces caught him and stripped him of a pipe bomb he was carrying," the statement said.

A fourth terror suspect was arrested after the security forces surrounded a two-story villa in the al-Jazirah district, east of the capital Riyadh, in the early hours of Monday morning, and sealed off the neighbourhood. A spokesman from the interior ministry said the man surrendered without any struggle.

The most wanted list was issued on June 28 this year and a reward of up to seven million Saudi riyals (1.87 million US dollars) was offered to anyone who helped capture any of the men or foiled a planned terror attack. Just five days later the number one on the list - the suspected leader of al-Qaeda in Saudi Arabia, Moroccan Younis Mohammed Ibrahim al-Hayari - was killed in a shootout with the security forces. The latest list follows two previous lists issued in 2003. Most of the terror suspects on those lists have now been killed or captured.

Meanwhile, the US embassy has banned all its military personnel from travelling around Saudi Arabia, saying the measure was in response to indications of operational planning for a terrorist attack or attacks in the kingdom. Military staff have been told to suspend all non-duty travel outside their workplaces or residences.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 07/26/2005 10:17 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Okay, Ahmed and Mohammad and Mahah, for your good deeds you get one oil well each.
Posted by: Jeper Elmeath5805 || 07/26/2005 10:43 Comments || Top||

#2  Had it yesterday, though the name's going through 140 different iterations.
Posted by: Fred || 07/26/2005 11:11 Comments || Top||

#3  Al-Amri was arrested "after a group of citizens followed him and informed [the authorities] about him. Security forces caught him and stripped him of a pipe bomb he was carrying," the statement said.

What is it with these guys? Are pipe bombs the ME version of packing heat or was he on his way to detonating it? Oh, brave jihadi, Allan won't be pleased if you didn't blow yourself up in a "blaze of glory."
Posted by: BA || 07/26/2005 11:14 Comments || Top||

#4  Are pipe bombs the ME version of packing heat or was he on his way to detonating it?

Think of it as "male enhancement".
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 07/26/2005 11:38 Comments || Top||

#5  lol, RC!
Posted by: BA || 07/26/2005 12:54 Comments || Top||

#6  I have this image of #10 and his two comrades walking down an alley in the Medina Old Town, followed at a discreet distance by a large gaggle of Moving Black Objects all talking at the same time on their cell phones to the police, in varying tones of alarm and urgency.
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/26/2005 13:26 Comments || Top||

#7  Hey, Al-Amri! Is that a pipe bomb in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?
Posted by: Bigjim-ky || 07/26/2005 22:10 Comments || Top||


Britain
Bombings police find 'explosives'
Police hunting the men suspected of attacking three Tubes and a bus last Thursday have found a large amount of "possible" explosives, sources say. The find was made at a block of flats in New Southgate, north London, where bomb suspect Yasin Hassan Omar, 24, had been living since 1999. Police stormed the flats on Monday morning, evacuating residents from three floors of the 12-storey block. Five people have so far been arrested in connection with the failed bombings.
Bomb disposal officers are still at the north London flat, BBC home affairs correspondent Daniel Sandford said. Counter-terrorism sources confirmed that a "large amount" of "possibly" explosive material has been found there, he said. Detectives have no evidence that the bombing suspects have left the country and believe they may all be hiding in a safe house in the capital.
Police have linked Omar to the attack on a Victoria line Tube train between Warren Street and Oxford Circus on 21 July. Enfield Council confirmed he had been a tenant at Curtis House, Ladderswood Way, and had been receiving £75 a week in housing benefit. Muktar Said Ibrahim, 27, who police believe tried to blow up the Number 26 bus while it was heading towards Hackney, has also been linked to the same address.
Two others are being sought in connection with failed bombings - one near Shepherd's Bush, west London, the other near Oval station, south London. There are also concerns that a fifth bomber is on the loose after a device was found in Little Wormwood Scrubs, west London, on Saturday.

Police have arrested two men near to the New Southgate address - bringing the number held in connection with the attempted bombings to five. None of the five, who are all being held under anti-terror laws, are thought to be bombing suspects. A sixth man arrested as part of the inquiry was not linked with the 21 July attacks and has been charged with wasting police time. Police have searched a number of other addresses across the capital.

Scotland Yard said the devices that failed to explode on 21 July were packed into plastic food containers which are manufactured in India and sold in 100 outlets across the UK. Deputy Assistant Commissioner Peter Clarke has appealed to shop owners who may have sold five or more of the six-and-a-quarter litre, Delta family containers, with a white lid, in recent months to come forward.
Posted by: Steve || 07/26/2005 08:42 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Oh come on. He was just a "good lad" with an unhealthy interest in chemistry and explosives among other things like murderous retribution against innocent civilians among his countrymen all in the name of islam and getting his own 72 mules to ride.
Posted by: MunkarKat || 07/26/2005 9:08 Comments || Top||

#2  £75 a week in housing benefit
ima moving back to mother england. bet they got steps for their trailer houses, might even be level
Posted by: half || 07/26/2005 9:18 Comments || Top||

#3  another parasite on the dole.
Posted by: Frank G || 07/26/2005 9:33 Comments || Top||

#4  The "welfare" state, punishing the innocent to reward the irresponsible.

You are made to work harder and longer to pay tax which is used to harm your interests.

Any steps you take to avoid paying tax should be seen as moral.
Posted by: Ulereger Clavigum6227 || 07/26/2005 10:41 Comments || Top||

#5  No surprise. The whole Welfare State is involved in this. From parasitic "asylum" seekers, to importing their "dependants", to automatic weekly "benefits", to welfare housing. To mass-murder by the recipients. Not only does the Welfare State encourage sloth and indolence, but it feeds hatred of the producers.

The Welfare State naturally breeds more controls and massive pain. Recall that the Roman Empire destroyed itself by turning into a huge Welfare State. Why would a people habituated to being taken care of from cradle to grave even consider independent thinking, fighting for self-defense, and being proudly productive?

Europe has two mutually reinforcing problems: the Welfare State and Islamofascism. To solve one requires solving the other at the same time.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 07/26/2005 11:58 Comments || Top||


Two London bombers on welfare
Who's surprized?
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 07/26/2005 08:05 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Of course they were.

The only surprise is that they weren't all on the dole.

WAKE UP, BRITAIN!
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 07/26/2005 8:45 Comments || Top||

#2  Parasites that murder. No big shock about that one.
Posted by: MunkarKat || 07/26/2005 8:56 Comments || Top||

#3  Multiple names / multiple claimants. Sirens and choppers over London at mo...
Posted by: Howard UK || 07/26/2005 9:30 Comments || Top||

#4  probably felt wholeheartedly that they were deserving and entitled to it.
Posted by: PlanetDan || 07/26/2005 10:06 Comments || Top||

#5  Left-liberalism, a hybrid of New Left, Old Left, and old Marxist Popular Front unionism, is a mental disorder.

Feeding those that would blow up the bridge of freedom they used to crawl into your country. Brilliant! You can thank the a-holes of the BBC, Guardian, Oxfraud-Cambridge elites, and the left-wing of the Labour Party.
Posted by: Jeper Elmeath5805 || 07/26/2005 10:15 Comments || Top||

#6  Ima wonder if this helps explains todays flavor of troll......
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 10:58 Comments || Top||

#7  Ima not Shipman. No suprise here. This is what the TRANZI's actually want. It's part of their plan. Tear civilization down and rebuild it with them running the show the way they want it, same as the islamists.
Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom || 07/26/2005 17:56 Comments || Top||

#8  The fat one with the cap on the bus was also an unlicensed taxi driver. I remember seeing him before in London and I told the police so much aswell.
Posted by: A Londoner || 07/26/2005 19:35 Comments || Top||

#9  It's amazing the things Rantburgers know... and notice! All righty then: what's the betting that the Rantburg community solves this before Scotland Yard & Co. do? ;-)

Posted by: trailing wife || 07/26/2005 23:03 Comments || Top||


Two bomb suspects shacked up shared a flat
Muktar Said Ibrahim and Yasin Hassan Omar were lovers and two brothers lived in the flat raided by police yesterday in north London, a friend of the men told the Telegraph last night. All had families who came from Eritrea and moved to Saudi Arabia before coming to this country when they were young, the friend said.
It had to be there or Pakistan...
Ibrahim, 27, was educated at a local secondary school, mixed easily with youths of his age and went clubbing in London, the friend claimed. Although he still regularly stayed at the flat, he had recently moved to Hackney, near where the bus bomb failed to go off. Police wish to speak to him in connection with Thursday's incident.
"We'd like to have a little talk with you, Mukkers."
"Ummm... I'll get my coat..."
"You won't need your coat."
The news that the men were shacking up lived together came after police raided the ninth floor, one-bedroom council flat in New Southgate at 1.30am yesterday. The friend, who asked not to be named, said: "Ibrahim was born in Saudi Arabia and came here when he was 13 or 14. His parents still live in Saudi Arabia but his mother visits and he also has a brother and sister here. I never saw him with a girlfriend, he was always the quiet one, but they all knew each other from back home and often spoke in Arabic. He lives in Hackney now but often stays around here, and Yasin sleeps here most of the time. At school he was always kind of quiet and everyone liked him. He had a good heart and always looked after everyone. He put everyone before himself.
"He's just the sweetest guy..."
"But he owed some money for a car he'd bought and some people were threatening him. Until then we all used to go clubbing together and go back to his flat afterwards.
Here's the kicker...
"He went to Saudi Arabia in 2003 for two or three months. He said he was going training for a year but we didn't know what he meant and he didn't stay that long. He was always saying 'I can't wait to go to Saudi'.
So such training as he received, he received in Soddy Arabia. Naturally, there will be no record...
"But he was changing before he went and he had grown a big beard. I was surprised to see in the picture he'd shaved it off because they were all growing them and sometimes he even wore traditional dress.
"He quit wearing underwear and started using henna. Too much henna..."
"I thought it was a bit weird but you couldn't say anything to them. They always said I wasn't taking my religion seriously enough.
"You can't be a Muslim widdout a beard. Yer prayers won't work. Everybody knows that."
"They talked about the Koran every second but they still went out and played football every Sunday with us in Arnos Park."
"Mukkers! You got such a big koran!"
The friend said Ibrahim did not go to local mosques and preferred those in Finsbury Park and Brixton.
Definitely in with the in crowd...
Ibrahim was said to have shared the flat with Omar, a man called George and at least one other man.
In a one-bedroom apartment... I think I'll go wash my mind out with soap.
Here's a Brillo pad for your eyeballs ...
There is no evidence to link the other men with the bombings.
Bet they could tell some stories, though...
Sammy Jones, 33, a neighbour, said she recognised Ibrahim as soon as she saw the new picture yesterday. "I only knew them to say hello to and he never really said anything to me. I know George, he's in his late 20s and he's been living at the block for quite a few years. But the others have only been around for two or three years. They're in and out every day. I saw George loading brown cardboard boxes into the lift about three or four weeks ago. They were heavy and there were loads of them. He said it was wallpaper stripper."
I really think they should talk to George...
Omar, 24, the other man who was identified, is wanted in connection with a bomb that failed to go off on a train near Warren Street. He was seen at Stockwell station, carrying a purple rucksack, at the same time as two of the other men.
Posted by: Fred || 07/26/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Four guys in one flat? Did they get group discounts on Vaseline and baby oil?
Posted by: Raj || 07/26/2005 1:02 Comments || Top||

#2  A "council flat" is usually restricted by government for welfare cases. I'm pretty sure it's not intended to be shared by four people if it's a one-bedroom flat.

All of the demons of the Welfare State are showing up.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 07/26/2005 3:36 Comments || Top||

#3  Unrelated but made me smile - on the subject of BBC London news' platitudes to the oppressed:

"And despite the grotesque slaughter occuring under the streets, we'll be devoting the majority of tonight's programme to asking Muslims in Neasden how upset, isolated and intimidated they feel in their community because fellow members of their religion have indiscriminately blown people up all over the capital."

Mick, Seamus and Paddy from Kilburn would have loved this kind of head-patting, reverse racism in the 70s and 80s.


Hat tip to holymoly.co.uk/cc
Posted by: Howard UK || 07/26/2005 5:43 Comments || Top||

#4  Now that is what I call spooning.
Posted by: raptor || 07/26/2005 6:29 Comments || Top||

#5  Sounds like another good place for a "Bobby Brown Goes Down" parody.
Posted by: eLarson || 07/26/2005 9:01 Comments || Top||

#6  I get the feeling that quite a lot of these terrorists might be motivated by guilt at their own homosexuality.

Has anyone looked into this?
Posted by: Ulereger Clavigum6227 || 07/26/2005 10:52 Comments || Top||

#7  I was wondering when the connection to the Finsbury mosque would be made, as was for at least two of the 7/7 killers, and the purported mastermind, Haroon Rashid Aswat. Forget the white water rafting. It's the mosques, stupid.
Posted by: ed || 07/26/2005 11:02 Comments || Top||

#8  I've long thought that the whole "boys for pleasure, girls for offspring" approach has been a major factor in the cultures of the lands from Greece east to Arabia, compounded in the Muslim world by the greater or lesser popularity of polygamy that siphons marriageable females away from the youngest, most sexually desperate men. The key question to my mind, Ulereger Clavigum6227, is how we can use this to our advantage in fighting the war on terror? Psychoanalyzing the poor lads interesteth me not even a little bit.

Posted by: trailing wife || 07/26/2005 23:15 Comments || Top||

#9  introduce Mexican food in large quantities, it'll teach em what their asshole's really for

*rimshot, old joke*
Posted by: Frank G || 07/26/2005 23:42 Comments || Top||


Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Russian forces kill two in Chechnya
Russian forces in Chechnya killed two armed men who were reportedly planning a "terrorist operation" in Grozny, the capital of the breakaway republic, the interfax news agency said Monday. Interfax quoted Russian security sources as saying the Federal forces killed the two men after they refused to stop. They added that the Russian forces found in the car, boarded by the two men, an explosive device and some machineguns. The sources said the men were planning to carry out a "terrorist operation" in Grozny.
Posted by: Fred || 07/26/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The sources said the men were planning to carry out a "terrorist operation" in Grozny.

Not anymore.
Posted by: Inspector Clouseau || 07/26/2005 1:05 Comments || Top||

#2  Shame it wasn't Basayev and one of his boys.
Posted by: MunkarKat || 07/26/2005 8:57 Comments || Top||

#3  For all their bullshit talk about how fucked up we are in our war on terror, russia doesn't seem to be on the fast-track for TCB in chechie-land.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 07/26/2005 9:17 Comments || Top||


Europe
Madrid bombs: 2 held in France
LILLE, France (AP) -- Counterterrorism agents in northern France took two men in for questioning Tuesday about last year's deadly Madrid train bombings, French police said. The suspects -- a Moroccan and his son, who has French nationality -- were taken into custody at their home in the northern town of Wervicq, near the Belgian border, police and judicial officials said. They are being held in nearby Lille by agents of the DST counterterrorism service, the officials said.
The men's names emerged in an investigation by Spanish police probing the 2004 train bombings in Madrid, which killed 191 people and injured more than 1,500. French police said their link to the investigation was unclear.
Posted by: Steve || 07/26/2005 10:10 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Van Gogh killer jailed for life
A Dutch court has sentenced a 27-year-old radical Islamist to life in prison for the November murder of controversial film-maker Theo van Gogh. Mohammed Bouyeri, who has joint Dutch-Moroccan nationality, had made a courtroom confession and had vowed to do the same again if given the chance. The murder in Amsterdam stunned the Netherlands. The court ruled that it was a terrorist act. The judge said the murder had triggered "great fear and insecurity" in society. "The murder of Theo van Gogh provoked a wave of revulsion and disdain in the Netherlands. Theo van Gogh was mercilessly slaughtered," said Judge Udo Willem Bentinck. Bouyeri had told the court he had acted out of religious conviction. Clutching a copy of the Koran, he said that "the law compels me to chop off the head of anyone who insults Allah and the prophet".

Van Gogh, a strong critic of radical Islam, was shot and stabbed in broad daylight as he was cycling through Amsterdam. His throat was slashed and the killer also pinned a letter to his chest with a knife, which threatened Somali-born Dutch MP Ayaan Hirsi Ali. She had written the script for Van Gogh's controversial film Submission, which criticised the treatment of women under Islam. The trial in Amsterdam took place in a heavily guarded building and about 20 relatives and friends of Van Gogh were present, Radio Netherlands reporter Eric Hesen told the BBC News website. Van Gogh's 14-year-old son wept and was embraced by his mother as the film-maker's death was described in court. Van Gogh was a distant relative of the famous 19th-Century painter Vincent.

The judgement said the killer had shown "a complete disregard for human life". Mr Bouyeri said nothing, but looked "very calm and superior", according to Mr Hesen. He was also convicted of the attempted murder of several police officers and bystanders and illegal possession of firearms. His sentence carries no possibility of parole.

The Dutch are still struggling to understand how Bouyeri, who was born and raised in Amsterdam, turned to radical Islam, the BBC's Geraldine Coughlan reports. After this trial, the authorities will decide if he can be prosecuted separately for membership of a terrorist organisation. Twelve other terrorism suspects are awaiting trial in the Netherlands and prosecutors believe Mr Bouyeri is a key figure in that group, but so far they have not come up with enough evidence to charge him. After the Van Gogh murder, mosques in several Dutch cities were the targets of vandalism and failed arson attempts.
Posted by: Steve || 07/26/2005 08:38 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  So, Joey, have you ever been in a Dutch prison?

Are they like Chino or Rikers, where you learn not to pick up dropped soap? Or are they more like country clubs with wire around them?

How serious is the "no possibility of parole?" Can some judge order a release based on "overcrowding" like here?
Posted by: Jackal || 07/26/2005 10:00 Comments || Top||

#2  I suspect that life in a Dutch prison may not suit his tastes. Prisoners can get ugly when someone insults their sense of nationalism, such as viciously murdering a national celebrity. Imagine how your life would be in a Texas lockup if you brutally murdered Willy Nelson.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 07/26/2005 10:33 Comments || Top||

#3  Unfortunately prison administration policy is to isolate them from regular criminals (just like for pedophiles).

While we are at it one of the people in the Madrid bombings was transferred to another prison and there they forgot or "forgot" to isolate him: he was imediately attacked and nearly killed. There is even a good chance he will lose an eye.
Posted by: JFM || 07/26/2005 10:44 Comments || Top||

#4  Probably need to move him again.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 11:00 Comments || Top||

#5  Image hosted by Photobucket.com


The name of the movie : "Khochu V' Tyur'mu"
Translates as :
"I want to go to Prison"


It is a Russian movie (comedy) about a Russian who wants to go to a Dutch prioson because life is so good there...


He does everything possible to get put there and finally gets a 90 day sentence when he is convicted of a graffiti crime.
(He put a moustache on a public portrait of the Dutch Queen)
__________________________________________________
Posted by: BigEd || 07/26/2005 11:24 Comments || Top||

#6  Trying to Get Arrested (1909)
Directed by: D.W. Griffith
Plot Outline: A tramp tries to get himself arrested so he can sleep in the nice, warm jail, but the police keep ignoring him or arresting the wrong person
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0001076/

There is nothing new under the sun.
-- Ecclesiastes
Posted by: mojo || 07/26/2005 11:46 Comments || Top||

#7  Let's remember Van Gogh got the death penalty, no appeal, no due process. Yep, mighty civilized of the West. Just makes you feel ah so warm and fuzzy how noble it all is. Now tell me how we've done away with human sacrifice.
Posted by: Crans Thaling7071 || 07/26/2005 12:00 Comments || Top||

#8  Compare the cost of a bullet to his head (or other rapid ways to end the life of that proud Moslem) with the lifelong cost of keeping him alive, guarding him, and going through the motions of further trials.

We will loose the War unless Islamofascist are executed when found guilty of jihadist murder. The trial and execution shouldn't take more than 5 minutes: "Would you do the same again, Mohammed?" "Yes, infidel!" Bang!

Europe will only survive if they re-introduce the death penalty. The UK has taken a first step with their shoot-to-kill policy. Much more is needed. All Moslem leaders that preach jihad and the murder of non-Moslems should be tried and executed.

I f I walked around advocating the murder of anyone who doesn't abide by my personal favourite book, and some disciples of mine started doing it, I am sure I wouldn't last long. Why are Moslem calls to murder still tolerated?
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 07/26/2005 12:07 Comments || Top||

#9  Dutch Prison? You mean "life without parole" or four years, whichever comes first. This guy will be on a book signing tour before Bush's second term ends.

The Dutch will be hewing wood and fetching water for their Muslim masters within 30 years.
Posted by: Secret Master || 07/26/2005 12:46 Comments || Top||

#10  There is nothing new under the sun.
-- Ecclesiastes


Ima go rethink my Bourka Babes in Prison Lern the Way Out project. I did have high hopes for it.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 15:18 Comments || Top||

#11  Ruh oh... I kinda gotta feelin Bourka Bab*s might stir up abu Go**el
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 15:20 Comments || Top||

#12  I think you will find a "life sentence" doesn't mean that. That term is used to refer to a fixed time period. There is no "life in prison" in most of the EU.

Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom || 07/26/2005 16:17 Comments || Top||


Kurdish rebels killed in southeast Turkey
Turkish forces killed Monday two members of the Kurdish labor party in confrontations in southeast of the country, said Turkish security authorities. Turkish forces opened fire at the banned Kurdish party's members after they refused to surrender. A Turkish official statement said the Turkish military campaign in the region started few days ago and will continue. Local political observers said the country is facing a new turn as the banned party's operations against the army are rising.
Posted by: Fred || 07/26/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Home Front: WoT
FBI Rounds Up 5 in Newark
This is interesting, to say the least.
Five Egyptian men with maps of the New York City subway system and video of New York landmarks have been arrested by the Joint Terrorism Task Force in Newark, N.J., ABC News has learned.

FBI and law enforcement officials told ABC News the five men — four illegal immigrants and one law enforcement fugitive — were arrested Sunday night following a tip to the Newark Police Department. In addition to the subway maps and video, the men had train schedules and $8,000 in $20 and $50 bills.

The men were identified as: Karim Ahmed Abdel Latif Ahmed, 21; his brother Mahoud Ahmed Abdel Latif Ahmed, 19; Ahmed Mohamed Atta, 30; Mohamed Ibrahim Gaber, 34, and Mohamed Palat Anwar Jozain. When Newark authorities converged at the group's location at 246 Ferry St., Karim Ahmed answered the door and agreed to allow police to enter. Officers said they noticed the maps, and video cameras and Karim and his brother agreed to a search.

Karim said he had the maps because he had a new job as a street vendor. Initially, Karim said no one else was in the apartment, but police came upon the three other men upon further search.

FBI officials said the men have no known link to a terror network but noted that none of them could adequately explain the items they had in their possession, the large amount of money or their reasons for being in the United States. Mohamed Ibrahim Gaber has been a fugitive since he jumped ship from an Egyptian flagged freighter in September 2000.

The men, all of whom claimed to be unemployed civil or chemical engineers, are set to be deported by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. I vote for Gitmo.
Gitmo? Not a chance. Memo to Dan Darling: add these mooks to your list for Diego, or somewhere more remote ...
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 07/26/2005 14:22 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  And I thought they were Norwegians!

Hmmm... has the time come for ethnic/racial profiling, anyone?

I heard this here in Northern Virginia during Rush's show (he's on vacation) on WMAL 63 AM dial.

Searched all over the place, couldn't find sh*t, then made the wise move to come here.

Thanks!
Posted by: Sheling Shinelet1015 || 07/26/2005 14:53 Comments || Top||

#2  were they British?
Posted by: PlanetDan || 07/26/2005 15:09 Comments || Top||

#3  Egyptians, Planet D.

With training as chemical and civil engineers ... ie. qualified to figure out the best ways to bring down bridges and blow up subways.
Posted by: too true || 07/26/2005 16:50 Comments || Top||

#4  Lol... When I read #3 (yes I read them in reverse order when the thread is short), I instantly took "Planet D" to be a planet, with an alternate reality country called "Egypt" - yeah, I know, read too much SciFi.

But I think it makes as much sense, actually, as the surreal world these tools inhabit, lol!
Posted by: .com || 07/26/2005 17:13 Comments || Top||

#5  one of them :
Ahmed Mohamed Atta, 30
WTF???
is that name like John Smith in Egypt?
Posted by: BigEd || 07/26/2005 17:50 Comments || Top||

#6  Colour me impressed -- the FBI got them before they did anything harmful! Well done, boys and girls ... now go do that again.
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/26/2005 17:59 Comments || Top||

#7  OhmyGod!!!!!!!!!!

They missed Lars Olag, 38!!!
Posted by: Michael || 07/26/2005 18:08 Comments || Top||

#8  I like the Brits way of dealing with them. Shoot them first then ask questions....

If another bombs hits the USA how many of us do you think are going to visit the targets you we have already selected just in case?

You think the Islamo's Pig's have sleeper cells in the USA? Wait until 100 million armed citizen sleeper cell cuts loose on the local Mosques and Arab neighborhoods "if" another bombs goes off in the USA.

Select a team and pick a target and lets be quick about it.

Do you think this is wrong? Am I over reacting...

Posted by: Long Hair Republican || 07/26/2005 18:44 Comments || Top||

#9  Four were ILLEGAL ALIENS?

I wonder how they entered the United States... Did they overstay their visa (in which case the Counsler officer(s) should be repremanded or fired) or did they come across the Mexican or Canadian border (in which case Border Patrol heads should roll....).

Its damn time we start holding people who let this happen responsible -- we aren't playing for peanuts here....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 07/26/2005 19:01 Comments || Top||

#10  Overreacting? Yes.

But anymore my giveadamn is busted
Posted by: Michael || 07/26/2005 19:05 Comments || Top||

#11  "Do you think this is wrong? Am I over reacting..."

Maybe. But if you are, you've got LOTS of company-- including me.

I've been thinking lately, what happens if the Islamoloonies land another punch on American soil? I suppose the answer depends on the size of the punch.
Posted by: Dave D. || 07/26/2005 19:11 Comments || Top||

#12  Aside from Pearl Harbor, were there any other Japanese acts of violence that provoked the internment camps in WWII?
Posted by: Neutron Tom || 07/26/2005 19:25 Comments || Top||

#13  None that I know of, Tom; I think Roosevelt's concern was mainly about spying, and industrial/military sabotage. I don't recall reading about any incidents of that type, either.

Posted by: Dave D. || 07/26/2005 19:44 Comments || Top||

#14  These guys need a ringside seat near the blast deflectors on the next shuttle launch.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 07/26/2005 19:53 Comments || Top||

#15  no imports for Civils needed, thankyouverymuch. Illegals? throw the f*&kers back, after 5 yrs breaking big rocks into small rocks. As an engineer, they should appreciate the need for aggregate of all sizes: 3/4", 1/2", down to a 200 sieve, therefore, get to work ya lazy MoFos! Picks and hammers!
Posted by: Frank G || 07/26/2005 20:17 Comments || Top||

#16  Tom, you should read Michelle Malkin's book on internment.

The broken codes apparently showed enough of a spy network on the West Coast that the government was alarmed.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 07/26/2005 20:29 Comments || Top||

#17  #12. Tom, I recalled incendiary attacks against the northwest mainland and googled up two references:
1)On Wednesday morning, September 9, 1942, the Imperial Japanese Navy submarine I-25 surfaced west of Cape Blanco and launched a small seaplane piloted by Chief Flying Officer Nobuo Fujita. Fujita flew southeast over the Oregon coast, dropping incendiary bombs on Mount Emily, 10 miles northeast of Brookings. Fujita was able to launch an additional bombing sortie three weeks later.
2)One of the best kept secrets of the war involved the Japanese balloon bomb offensive, prompted by the Doolittle raid on Tokyo on April 18, 1942 as a means of direct reprisal against the U.S. mainland. Some 9,000 balloons made of paper or rubberized silk and carrying anti-personnel and incendiary bombs were launched from Japan during a five-month period, to be carried by high altitude winds more than 6,000 miles eastward across the Pacific to North America. Perhaps a thousand of these reached this continent, but there were only about 285 reported incidents. Most were reported in the northwest U.S., but some balloons traveled as far east as Michigan. I doubt that these, mostly unsucessful raids, influenced the establishment of the internment camps.
Posted by: GK || 07/26/2005 21:45 Comments || Top||

#18  GK---The incendary-laden balloons were a long-shot attempt to start forest fires, IIRC.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 07/26/2005 21:48 Comments || Top||

#19  and a lead to a recent Dirk Pitt Jr book - Black Wind
Posted by: Frank G || 07/26/2005 21:59 Comments || Top||

#20  Didn't a Japanese Pilot try to take over some hawaiian island after Pearl -- along with some Japanese residents?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 07/26/2005 22:19 Comments || Top||

#21  I agree AP. I recalled that too, but haven't the foggest why the raid on Mount Emily.
Posted by: GK || 07/26/2005 23:11 Comments || Top||


Talk Radio Host calls Islam a Terrorist Organization
Muslims Call Comments by WMAL Host 'Hate-Filled'

A local radio talk show host touched off complaints from an Islamic civil rights organization yesterday after repeatedly describing Islam on the air as "a terrorist organization" that is "at war with America."
maybe he meant, 'a terrorism friendly religion that threatens civilization'
The organization, the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), asked the station to take disciplinary action against Michael Graham, who hosts WMAL-AM's late-morning call-in program....
comment by Mr. Graham]...
"If the Boy Scouts of America had 1,000 Scout troops, and 10 of them practiced suicide bombings, then the BSA would be considered a terrorist organization. If the BSA refused to kick out those 10 troops, that would make the case even stronger. If people defending terror repeatedly turned to the Boy Scout handbook and found language that justified and defended murder --and the scoutmasters responded by saying 'Could be' -- the Boy Scouts would have been driven out of America long ago."

WMAL is getting protests from CAIR groupies. You can get the info for contacting WMAL here. Their switchboard is: 202-686-3100, and the number for programming: 202-895-2327
Posted by: mhw || 07/26/2005 11:25 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  fuck the islamic civil rights group it's called freedom of speech
Posted by: Thraing Hupoluper1864 || 07/26/2005 12:47 Comments || Top||

#2  Muslims Call Comments by WMAL Host 'Hate-Filled'

And what, pray tell, are the various bombings of Jews, Iraqi civilians, and Londoners by Muzzies? Love-fests?
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 07/26/2005 12:55 Comments || Top||

#3  CAIR's official statement about Israel is that a bunch of europians came over after WWII, stole the land, and claims that their ancesters lived there over 2000 years ago to justify their land grab.
Anti-semitism? Naaaahhh....
Posted by: mmurray821 || 07/26/2005 12:56 Comments || Top||

#4  Well, yes speech is free in this country. More importantly, what Michael Graham has said is true.

The veil of ignorance that Moslems have been holding up is being ripped apart. Islam is being described more accurately every day in the West. The War is being won.

With regard to free speech, we need to remind everyone that falsely shouting "fire!" in a crowded theater is not "free speech" and is actually punishable by law. For the same reason, Moslem preaching of murder for non-Moslems is not "free speech" and should be punished by law with the utmost severity.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 07/26/2005 13:02 Comments || Top||

#5  WMAL's comment:
The Council on American-Islamic Relations is calling on 630 WMAL management to reprimand talk host Michael Graham in the wake of Graham's on-air criticism of Muslims. Graham claims Islam is a terrorist organization, and he has taken Muslims to task for, in his view, failing to denounce terrorist activities and to take action within the Islamic community to stop terrorism. CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper says Graham's criticism is unwarranted and unwelcome." Such hate-filled and inflammatory remarks only serve to encourage those who would turn bigoted views into violent or discriminatory actions against ordinary American Muslims," says Hooper. "Reasoned discussion on issues related to terrorism should be encouraged, but extremist anti-Muslim rhetoric harms our nation's image worldwide and serves as a recruiting tool for terrorists." CAIR is urging American Muslims to contact WMAL's advertisers and express their concerns over Graham's remarks. 630 WMAL Operations Director Randall Bloomquist says he has received more than 100 e-mails from Muslims critical of Graham, as well as many calls and e-mails from Graham supporters. Bloomquist says Graham's comments are justified in the context of a radio talk show, and he is standing behind Graham.


interesting comment by Ibrahim Hooper:

"Such hate-filled and inflammatory remarks only serve to encourage those who would turn bigoted views into violent or discriminatory actions. . . "
He FINALLY gets it about the Koran!!!!! Hooray!!! YES!!! Enlightenment!!!! He sees how imams spread hate and bile!!! EXCELLENT!!! Now muslims will embrace the rules and norms of decency and civility!!!! that have created strong cultures over the last millenium!!!

". . . against ordinary American Muslims"
oh. he meant only when hate speech is directed at muslims. gotcha. never mind.
Posted by: PlanetDan || 07/26/2005 13:10 Comments || Top||

#6  What is Ibrahim Hooper's e-mail and snail mail?
He needs ham sandwichs mailed FEDEX
Posted by: 3dc || 07/26/2005 13:39 Comments || Top||

#7  Bloomquist says he has received more than 100 e-mails from Muslims critical of Graham, as well as many calls and e-mails from Graham supporters. Bloomquist says Graham's comments are justified in the context of a radio talk show, and he is standing behind Graham.

Which probably means the pro emails outweigh the anti ones at least 10:1. I would love to see the official breakdown of the numbers. But, of course, we never will...
Posted by: tu3031 || 07/26/2005 13:40 Comments || Top||

#8  Anyone catch Hugh Hewitt's disgrace of a show yesterday? I only heard a little of it, but he gave a CAIR spokesman two hours of free air time. Hugh showed himself to be barely aware of the facts in even the cases he brought up.

Like the Lodi case. He let the CAIRbot assert that it was a unique case, and that NO OTHER mosques have "radical" imams. Hugh didn't know that one of the imams in that case had made a career of travelling around the country giving speeches and raising cash for a Pakistan madrassah.

I didn't hear the segment when he had some nobody on as "balance". What a pity he didn't consult with someone in the know, like Spencer, Pipes, or even Charles from LGF.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 07/26/2005 13:46 Comments || Top||

#9  The truth hurts, does it? Hugh Hewitt is turning into a major disppoinment.
Posted by: SR-71 || 07/26/2005 13:58 Comments || Top||

#10  Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!

An opportunity for dialogue. We cannot back down here. Have the CAIR guy come onto a forum. Confront him with the facts. Watch the spittle generator get cranked up. Everyone sees it. CAIR guy drowns himself in his own spitoon. Lather, rinse, repeat. [/evil plan]

All kidding aside. The radical Islamists (CAIR included) are trying to intimidate. It's their MO, and it is getting threadbare. They need to be confronted with their hate filled bile and exposed to the light of day.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 07/26/2005 13:59 Comments || Top||

#11  Robert Crawford
Yeah, I caught that. It disgusted me. I've alway been a big fan of Hugh Hewitt, but his pandering to this guy and giving him serveral hours for propaganda really killed him for me. I thought Hugh was sharper than that. It wasn't enough that he had him on the show, but his blatent ass-kissing of that guy was too much to tolerate. I really wanted to call in and say one word...TAQIYA.
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 07/26/2005 14:03 Comments || Top||

#12  ...after repeatedly describing Islam on the air as "a terrorist organization" that is "at war with America."

Slowly and reluctantly, I've come around to the position that that's probably an accurate description. I've seen little evidence that it's not.
Posted by: Dave D. || 07/26/2005 14:03 Comments || Top||

#13  This is basically what we all know and are not allowed to say, thing is when do we speak up?
Posted by: nockeyes nilberforce || 07/26/2005 14:16 Comments || Top||

#14  It all boils down to willful ignorance. Moslems work off of several assumptions. First of these is that they exist in an "us and them" world. "They", the non-Moslems, have always and continue to be more concerned with destroying Islam than anything else. Everything "they" do is designed to do this, so everything "they" do is "wrong" and "evil". The flip side is the belief that Islam defines "good", only Moslems can be "good", and no matter what they do it is "good" or at worst "neutral". Therefore, when Americans build a school for Moslem children, it is solely to corrupt them and turn them from Islam. But when Moslems blow up the school, and the children, it may be "good" or it may be "unfortunate", but it can never, ever, be "bad" or "evil". Because Moslems can't do that. If they are forced to accept the notion that blowing up schoolchildren is "evil", then they will *blame* non-Moslems for it. Either "had they not built the school in the first place, then our children would still be alive", or "if they were not here then the Moslems wouldn't have had to blow up the school", or "the school wasn't blown up by Moslems, it was blown up by Zionists". This pattern is repeated endlessly by Moslems. It represents an inability to admit error--call it the belief in "Moslem infallibility". By this same anti-logic, "might makes right" in the Moslem world, and among Moslems, the winner is always believed to be "blessed by Allah", solely based on the fact that he *is* the winner. Which explains why the Moslem world is rife with tyrants. The murderous, treacherous thug who becomes prince by his utter ruthlessness, QED is the chosen of Allah.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 07/26/2005 14:28 Comments || Top||

#15  Let's hope CAIR sues him for slander. This isn't the UK. The truth is an absolute defense here.
Posted by: Jackal || 07/26/2005 14:45 Comments || Top||

#16  Robert and Sam, I listened to HH's show in absolute disbelief!
Has he lost it?!?
Well, I lost it, I can tell you--2 free hours of propaganda for the IslamoNutjobs and Hugh's supposed to be on the side of the Good Guys.
It was as if he had "discovered" CAIR.
The station, KSKY, which carries the show here in Dallas also features a clip now of Hewitt saying what a "nut" Tancredo is, too.
Hugh, has some major 'splainin' to do, but I now think of him as the consummate usual idiot of the enemy.
Worse still, HH got some good callers who were trying to get things back in focus, but he kept cutting them off, a la Chris Matthews.
It was a show from a horrible parallel universe.
Posted by: Jennie Taliaferro || 07/26/2005 14:57 Comments || Top||

#17  Off to me cool spot in the shade.
Posted by: Hatfield || 07/26/2005 15:22 Comments || Top||

#18  Posted by Anonymoose 2005-07-26 14:28|| Front Page|| Comment Top

that wunz ovre teh fense.
Posted by: muck4doo || 07/26/2005 15:39 Comments || Top||

#19  On Hugh Hewitt: Froggy Ruminations has a good explanation as to what happened today.
Posted by: Steve White || 07/26/2005 15:39 Comments || Top||

#20  If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, smells like a duck - it's probably a DUCK! Quess what Islam?
Posted by: FeralCat || 07/26/2005 15:54 Comments || Top||

#21  Froggy pretty much nails it: Hugh got rolled.
Posted by: Dave D. || 07/26/2005 15:57 Comments || Top||

#22  i agree islam harbours terrorism ,becasuse it is built into the religion as a valid strategy.
Mohammed and his men used terror and suffering to get people to convert to islam.
if Mohammed was a terrorist why shouldnt his followers be too.
Posted by: Viking || 07/26/2005 15:59 Comments || Top||

#23  At war wouldn't quite nail it. When taken for what it is, islam is inherently inconsistent with a tolerant, multiconfessional, democratic and civil society. Although it is not the whole picture, islam takes up more than half of the canvas. It's nothing unexpected if you divide the world into an "us and them" system and provide inconsistent utterances most of which strongly advocate and extol violence and domination against the "them", not persuasion. To get along with the kafir, infidel and apostates a muslim would have to redact alot of the Koran's blunter messages. That is not an option under the religion as given in the Koran.
Posted by: MunkarKat || 07/26/2005 16:32 Comments || Top||

#24  I think it would really help if the Saudis would kick the crazy Wahabbi/Salafist imams out of the MOST IMPORTANT MOSQUES IN ISLAM. Tell me that shit doesn't send a message to the nutters that Allen is behind their murderous rampage..

"The imam of the most holy mosque in Mecca said..."

A couple of Sufis would fit right in, if you ask me.
Posted by: mojo || 07/26/2005 17:05 Comments || Top||


London-bound United flight diverted, gets all clear
A United Airlines flight from Los Angeles to London was diverted to Boston after flight crews reported suspicious behavior and three passengers were questioned and released, the airline said on Tuesday.

"The three were questioned by local authorities and released," said United Airlines spokeswoman Robin Urbanski. Flight 934 had been cleared to continue, she added.

"A few hours into the flight, the crew noticed some potentially suspicious behavior on the part of three passengers and made the decision to divert to Boston around 3:36 a.m. local time," Urbanski said.

Transportation Security Administration spokeswoman Jennifer Peppin said the FBI also interviewed the three passengers.
Posted by: rkb || 07/26/2005 09:52 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


US judge issues deadline in Hicks case
A judge in Washington has given the US Government until tomorrow morning to inform the Federal Court of when it intends to begin proceedings against Australian Guantanamo Bay inmate David Hicks. Once the court has that information, it will decide whether it can hear a civil case being mounted by Hicks's lawyers. Hicks vs Bush has been on hold while the courts considered another case featuring detainee Salim Ahmed Hamdan. The ruling in Hamdan favoured the Bush administration, opening the way for military commissions to begin trying detainees.
Posted by: Fred || 07/26/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  A stop could be put to this if Hicks "passed away." In fact I think alot of those persons could "pass away" fron jihadi virus or something and solve the moonbats, who are the actual persons sueing, problems.
Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom || 07/26/2005 0:27 Comments || Top||

#2  Time to inform the judge its a Jacksonian moment.
Posted by: Crans Thaling7071 || 07/26/2005 9:25 Comments || Top||

#3  Oh, all right. Haul him in front of a military tribunal.

"Did the prisoner violate the laws of war?"

"Yes."

Bang!
Posted by: Jackal || 07/26/2005 9:48 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Indonesian gets 4 years over Australia embassy blast
JAKARTA - An Indonesian court on Tuesday sentenced a man to four years in jail for his role in a suicide car bombing outside the Australian embassy in Jakarta last year, the second conviction handed down over the attack. Agus Ahmad, 31, was found guilty by the South Jakarta district court of helping alleged bombing mastermind Azahari bin Husin prepare the blast, which killed 10 people, all of them Indonesians.
The three-judge panel said Ahmad helped Azahari, a Malaysian and senior figure in Jemaah Islamiah, an Al Qaeda-linked network, as well as another defendant, Iwan Dharmawan alias Rois, transport explosive materials in July 2004. “The defendant surely knew the things being carried around were explosive materials and that they could be used to make a bomb,” said presiding judge Johannes Suhadi. Ahmad said he would appeal. In previous court sessions he said he had no idea what was inside boxes he carried around. Prosecutors had earlier demanded the court jail Ahmad for five years for helping transport and hide the materials that were used in the Sept. 9, 2004, blast. Indonesia has blamed Jemaah Islamiah, a Southeast Asian militant network, for the attack.

Azahari, along with fellow Malaysian Noordin M. Top, are the most wanted men in Indonesia -- where police believe they are hiding. Police have said they believe both are recruiting more Islamic militants for further attacks. The duo are also accused of involvement in the 2002 Bali nightclub blasts that killed 202 people and a 2003 car bombing at Jakarta’s JW Marriott Hotel that left 12 dead. Ahmad was initially charged with hiding Azahari, but the prosecution dropped the charge because they believed the alleged bombmaker used an alias and Ahmad did not know he was wanted for the Bali and Marriott attacks.

In a separate trial against Rois in a nearby courtroom, a witness testified he sold the delivery van that was used in the bombing to the defendant. “The defendant came to the showroom with two other men and saw (the car) and agreed the price. He test-drove it himself,” said car dealer Tjahja Setia Lusianto. The one-tonne bomb, which was stored in the delivery van, ripped open the blast-proof fence at the front of the heavily fortified Australian mission and damaged the front of the main building.
Posted by: Steve || 07/26/2005 11:23 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Four f@<&ing years?! Put Indonesia on the target list.
Posted by: Neutron Tom || 07/26/2005 13:02 Comments || Top||

#2  4 years ,just kill him ASAP.
Posted by: Viking || 07/26/2005 19:08 Comments || Top||

#3  Indonesia needs to figure out whether to join civilization or let the rad muslims hold sway. He helped kill 10 Indos, does that mean nothing to them?
Posted by: Frank G || 07/26/2005 20:13 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Syria hands Islamist suspects over to Tunis
DAMASCUS - Damascus has handed over 21 Algerian alleged militants detained in Syria over to Tunis, the official SANA agency reported on Tuesday.
Doing a little house cleaning, are we?
“The 21 arrested were detained in connection with the latest incidents in Syria, in particular those of June 22 during which a Tunisian extremist, who was planning to set up an extremist training camp in Lebanon, was killed on the Syrian-Lebanese border,” SANA said. They were handed over “as part of cooperation with Tunisian authorities in the fight against terrorism,” it said.
Damascus has previously said there were several clashes between security forces and “terrorist” groups in June and July, including a shootout with a number of deposed Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein’s ex-bodyguards. Damascus said on Monday that it had handed over another 12 alleged militants to Riyadh.
Syrian Deputy Foreign Minister Walid Muallem on Thursday said that his country has detained 1,240 foreign extremists trying to enter Iraq. Muallem did not say when the arrests happened or include a breakdown of those arrested by nationality, but did say that most of the foreigners were handed over to their embassies.
Both Baghdad and Washington have repeatedly accused Damascus of turning a blind eye to insurgents crossing into Iraq or even of actively supporting the raging insurgency, charges strenuously denied by Syria.
Posted by: Steve || 07/26/2005 11:10 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Here, you take him" No you take him! "No, I don't want him ... you take him."

No you take him! "No, I don't want him ... you take him."
Posted by: Jeper Elmeath5805 || 07/26/2005 12:34 Comments || Top||

#2  Here! President Bashir says this guy has cooties. Careful where you touch him...
Posted by: BigEd || 07/26/2005 13:04 Comments || Top||

#3  Syria hands suspects over to Tunis. Isn't that kind of like Moroccan pirates handing someone over to the El Salvadoran death squads?
Posted by: Bigjim-ky || 07/26/2005 22:09 Comments || Top||


Poop list changes...
At Robin's suggestion, I've added another category to the Poop List functions. Editors can now:
  • Delete a post; appropriate for spammers;

  • Add a troll to the poop list without deleting what he/she/it has already done. Subsequent posts are banned;

  • Dump the troll's output to the Sink Trap and ban him/her/it;

  • Ban the IP. This last should be used very sparingly, as providers like AOL use pooled IPs and we could end up banning someone who's not a troll.
Let me know when the bugs show up.
Posted by: Fred || 07/26/2005 11:48 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I still dropping the odd transposed verb/noun would be fun, but hey! Who's to know?
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 12:14 Comments || Top||

#2  Why the need for so much censorship when anyone with a contrary view gets spammed to death? Why do you allow bad language and personal abuse from the regulars?
Posted by: Pholuque Threreth9564 || 07/26/2005 12:40 Comments || Top||

#3  Uhh... cause it's his blog?
Posted by: Matt || 07/26/2005 12:54 Comments || Top||

#4  It's time to take a stand. I stand for impersonal abuse. Sometimes I'm even bent over the arm of a chair...

Er... nevermind
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 07/26/2005 13:13 Comments || Top||

#5  Pholuque Threreth9564 is the 3rd nym used today by Grearong Elmurong9235.

PT/GE: you came to Rantburg and in less than 6 hours posted over 30 comments in a single thread, most of which were personal attacks on commenters here and on the United States. With one exception, you didn't even bother to link to evidence for your assertions, nor did you bother to respond to counterarguments except with abuse.

You were banned in your first nym. I deleted the single comment under the 2nd nym.

Engage in spirited debate backed by facts, if you will. That's welcome here. But you are scarcely the person to complain about abusive comments.

And, keep in mind Fred's 4th bullet point above. Your Oxford, UK isp isn't aol.
Posted by: rkb || 07/26/2005 13:25 Comments || Top||

#6  PT 9654 --

1) It's our blog.

2) Trolling is not appropriate anywhere. Kos bans trolls, so it's hard to complain about banning trolls.

3) Trolls waste bandwidth, time and energy. With 100+ posts and 600+ comments a day, Fred & the co-editors don't have the time to screw around with trolls.

4) Yes, we will ban regulars if sufficiently abusive/foul. Ask Aris for details -- oh right, you can't, we banned him :-)
Posted by: Steve White || 07/26/2005 13:27 Comments || Top||

#7  Well I guess there was a road test with the Jihad Unspun article posted by Mike Silwester...

There was troll all over that one, and rkb had to end it...

Of course Jihad Unspun has to be put in a category with Weekly World News I usually don't respond personally to JU except to ridicule...

After all this week WWN features Rummy in a Speedo! That's about the same way I view JU's nonsense...

For Entertainment Value Only-Jihad Unspun Can't top This! - But they try


Posted by: BigEd || 07/26/2005 13:58 Comments || Top||

#8  But that's not true and you know it. Most of what I wrote was general knowledge outside of your forum and practically all the personal abuse came from your flock, I only retaliated occasionally. If you want to turn this forum into a refuge for rabid right wingers, fair enough, but eventually you are all going to have to face the real world.
Incidental I can change my IP address if required, it's a pain in the ass, but if it's necessary for my voice to be heard I will.
Posted by: Pholuque Threreth9564 || 07/26/2005 14:07 Comments || Top||

#9  Incidental I can change my IP address if required, it's a pain in the ass, but if it's necessary for my voice to be heard I will.
Heavens! What that music in the background? Is it? Yes! It is the Internationale! Haven't seen anything like this since Green Acres.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 14:19 Comments || Top||

#10  Shipman - Trollz are best ignored. Don't respond directly... let Fred, rkb, and the other mods "handle" viral infestations...

I'm more curious about "Rummy in the Speedo"? Aren't you?
Posted by: BigEd || 07/26/2005 14:23 Comments || Top||

#11  great - and Judge Ginsburg in pasties?
Posted by: Frank G || 07/26/2005 14:27 Comments || Top||

#12  "...if it's necessary for my voice to be heard I will."
It isn't neccessary... trust us. Unless you have more information on Rummy in a speedo! That might be neccessary....
Posted by: Sgt. Mom || 07/26/2005 14:27 Comments || Top||

#13  We will post free like the regulars or diiiiiiiiiiiiiie.
Trolls with variable IPs.

Posted by: Jackal || 07/26/2005 14:32 Comments || Top||

#14  Most of what I wrote was general knowledge outside of your forum

"General knowledge" = "what my friends all think" -- unless you can both cite substantial references AND respond to critiques of those references. That's the primary thing your comments were missing.

Add those and a certain amount of ... asperity ... with regard to other commenters is quite acceptable. But without those elements, it's just trolling and bandwidth hogging.

And - citations/links, please. Don't copy huge chunks of text from elsewhere. Hyperlinks work fine and allow readers to place excerpts into their larger context.
Posted by: rkb || 07/26/2005 14:53 Comments || Top||

#15  Yur right BigEd... but this one is so funny in a Paki/Brit way. Ima stop.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 15:09 Comments || Top||

#16  Here we are Harold http://www.iprivacytools.com/
it costs $19.95 though, you had better start saving your pennies.
Posted by: Pholuque Threreth9564 || 07/26/2005 15:16 Comments || Top||

#17  You really are determined to be a pain in the ass, aren't you PT?
Posted by: rkb || 07/26/2005 15:21 Comments || Top||

#18  PT9564, it's really simple:

1) if you cite/claim/note factual information, provide a link or reference. Easy to do.

2) don't troll or flame. Note to regulars -- don't troll or flame. That goes for all of us, including me.

3) it's okay to have a different opinion, but understand that if your opinion on handling the WoT is substantially different than that of the regulars here, you'll catch some heat. You can always use oven mitts on your keyboard. If that bothers you, go elsewhere.


Steve (AoS, co-moderator)
Posted by: Steve White || 07/26/2005 15:21 Comments || Top||

#19  I'm actually disappointed here. I was hoping (a slender hope, but honestly held) that PT would rise to the occasion and play the very useful and important role of loyal opposition. RB should never turn into an echo chamber.

I don't see much evidence that he intends to contribute here, tho. Shame, really ....
Posted by: rkb || 07/26/2005 15:24 Comments || Top||

#20  Well what do you want to discuss RKB?
Posted by: Pholuque Threreth9564 || 07/26/2005 15:28 Comments || Top||

#21  You thought GE/PT could be useful when he's spewing the old "128,000 Iraqi's dead / 500,000 Iraqi children dead" nonsense? I don't think so.
Posted by: Neutron Tom || 07/26/2005 15:28 Comments || Top||

#22  Well Albright didn't deny it , how come you are?

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084

Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it.
Posted by: Pholuque Threreth9564 || 07/26/2005 15:31 Comments || Top||

#23  Hello?
Posted by: Pholuque Threreth9564 || 07/26/2005 15:39 Comments || Top||

#24  Okay, let's ease into this.

1) give links for your citations
2) let's find the right thread for this issue. I'm fine if you want to take it back to the 130+ comment thread again, providing it's a real discussion with links and a response to critics.
Posted by: rkb || 07/26/2005 15:39 Comments || Top||

#25  1) I did.
2) Last time I was criticised for making 30 comments in a short time, but bearing in mind I was pursued by a pack of abusing dogs, that's hardly surprising.
Posted by: Pholuque Threreth9564 || 07/26/2005 15:42 Comments || Top||

#26  I'm amazed at how many people think that others have a duty to provide them with a forum. If PT is so enlightened he should set up his own forum.
Posted by: Formerly Dan || 07/26/2005 15:42 Comments || Top||

#27  Read this, PT:
http://www.reason.com/0203/fe.mw.the.shtml
Don't come back until you read it all.
Posted by: Neutron Tom || 07/26/2005 15:43 Comments || Top||

#28  See #18, paragraph 3.
Posted by: Pholuque Threreth9564 || 07/26/2005 15:43 Comments || Top||

#29  Flush 'em
Posted by: Frank G || 07/26/2005 15:47 Comments || Top||

#30  Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq

:)
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 15:47 Comments || Top||

#31  Take care PakiBashing is all the rage again.

IMA Gone see ya in the ST!
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 15:49 Comments || Top||

#32  Neutron-it's simply in denial stuff. For example is says "The sanctions, first imposed in 1990 after Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait, are administered by the U.N., not the U.S."
That's true of course but what it fails to mention is that the USA continually threatened to veto any attempt to relinquish the sanctions.
The 500,000 was the estimation of UNESCO, they had no reason to lie and as you see, Albright didn't even try to.
Posted by: Pholuque Threreth9564 || 07/26/2005 15:50 Comments || Top||

#33  He didn't read it all. Flush him.
Posted by: Neutron Tom || 07/26/2005 15:52 Comments || Top||

#34  Lesley Stahl is simply the CBS 60 Minutes correspondent.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1998/07/09/60minutes/main13546.shtml
Posted by: Pholuque Threreth9564 || 07/26/2005 15:53 Comments || Top||

#35  Steve W - don't troll or flame. Note to regulars -- don't troll or flame. That goes for all of us, including me.

Correct... Any personal remarks at one another are too inside baseball... If we want to encourage more participation, then we ought to direct our venom outward...

It so much more fun to talk trash about Kimmy and Binny... And how to deal with them...

Psssst - Kimmy.... I know a great place to get "special" shoes... Make a man feel six feet tall... {wink} Only you have to go to Lakewood California to get them... {snicker}
Posted by: BigEd || 07/26/2005 15:56 Comments || Top||

#36  Well I have to go now and leave you guys to exchange your favourite fantasies. I might be back tomorrow or the next day. I must say I often look at your forum to pick up on news items but always refer to the original to learn the real story, some of your interpretations of facts I find amusing.
Good night my new found friends.
Posted by: Pholuque Threreth9564 || 07/26/2005 16:05 Comments || Top||

#37  Seven Habits of Highly Effective People, by Steven Covey - (paraphrase) First seek to understand, then be understood.

Name calling and shouting help with neither.

But I really want to hear more about how the U.S. Government controls the New York Times! Some of the other issues could be shades of gray/grey, if quietly discussed long enough, but not that one!
Posted by: Bobby || 07/26/2005 16:05 Comments || Top||

#38  gud nite pt! donet let em bed buggers byte. :)
Posted by: muck4doo || 07/26/2005 16:06 Comments || Top||

#39  Hey Delbert PT, it's not your blog.

If you don't like the editors' rules, STFU and go someplace else.

Kos is looking for readers....
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 07/26/2005 16:07 Comments || Top||

#40  PT, from the FAIR article you linked to:

The summer of 2001 saw a revival of long-discredited claims that sanctions are not to blame for Iraq's suffering, but that Saddam Hussein bears sole responsibility--an argument put forward in a State Department report (8/99) issued shortly after the UNICEF report on the deaths of children. Seizing on the fact that infant mortality had decreased in northern Iraq, which is under U.N. administration, while more than doubling in the rest of the country, where the government of Iraq is in charge, the State Department accused Baghdad of wide-scale misappropriation of funds from Iraqi oil sales earmarked for humanitarian purposes.

Michael Rubin of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, who spent nine months as a private citizen in northern Iraq, has pushed this argument in at least eight op-eds in papers ranging from the Wall Street Journal (8/9/01) to the Los Angeles Times (8/12/01). These op-eds follow the same basic theme: Since conditions in the north of Iraq are much better than the rest of the country, Saddam must be taking oil-for-food money and using it to buy weapons; Iraqis don't want sanctions lifted, they want Saddam out; the U.S. should support the overthrow of Saddam.

In fact, oil-for-food money is administered by the U.N., and disbursed directly from a U.S. bank account to foreign suppliers, so direct misappropriation of funds is impossible


However, we now know that in fact MASSIVE misallocation of oil for food monies occurred. Billions of dollars, in fact. And we know that at least a dozen lavish palaces were built by Saddam during that period, as well.

So it might just be that with new information the old assumptions about responsibility bear rethinking.
Posted by: rkb || 07/26/2005 16:07 Comments || Top||

#41  One question before I go. How do you start new threads? I will look tomorrow for the answer.
Posted by: Pholuque Threreth9564 || 07/26/2005 16:08 Comments || Top||

#42  Actually, Saddam Hussein claimed that 1.7 million children died. If PT can't believe Saddam, who can he believe? How about someone in Saddam's inner circle or The Guardian?
How Saddam 'staged' fake baby funerals
Ali, outraged that Saddam's torturers may have crippled his daughter for life, spoke openly about how the regime's propaganda has faked mass baby funerals - 'evidence' of the 7,000 children under five the regime claims are being killed each month by sanctions.

Small coffins, decorated with grisly photographs of dead babies and their ages - 'three days', 'four days', written usefully for the English-speaking media - are paraded through the streets of Baghdad on the roofs of taxis, the procession led by a throng of official mourners.

There is only one problem. Because there are not enough dead babies around, the regime prevents parents from burying infants immediately, in the Muslim tradition, to create more powerful propaganda.

The taxi drivers do what they are told - as everybody does in Saddam's Iraq - to their evident disgust. Before Ali defected to the north, one friend of his, a taxi driver, explained how it worked: 'I went to Najaf [a town 100 miles south of Baghdad] a couple of days ago. I brought back two bodies of children for one of the mass funerals. The smell was very strong.'

Ali continued: 'The taxi driver didn't know how long they'd been in freezers, perhaps six or seven months. The drivers would collect them from the regions and would be informed of when a mass funeral was arranged so they would be ready. Certainly, they would collect bodies of children who had died months before and been held for the mass processions.'

A second, Western source, went to visit visited a Baghdad hospital and, when the official Iraqi minder was absent, was taken to the mortuary. There, a doctor showed the source a number of dead babies, lying stacked in the mortuary, waiting for the next official procession.
...
In 1999 Unicef, in co-operation with the Iraqi government, made a retrospective projection of 500,000 excess child deaths in the 1990s. The projection is open to question. It was based on data from within a regime that tortures children with impunity. All but one of the researchers used by Unicef were employees of the Ministry of Health, according to the Lancet.


Be sure to read the first few paragraphs of how Saddam's dictatorship treated this man's little girl. It's in the finest of your hero, Stalin's tradition. Omlettes and eggs, old chap.
Posted by: ed || 07/26/2005 16:09 Comments || Top||

#43  You were the one who started the abuse, i.e.
What a load of crap and what despicable ugly turds you really are.
Ring a bell?

Don't try to replay it like yer some noble guy seeking the high road when all you do is spit out the worst of the rewarmed DU talking point crap.

but bearing in mind I was pursued by a pack of abusing dogs, that's hardly surprising.

What a self-important twit.

Posted by: docob || 07/26/2005 16:13 Comments || Top||

#44  ... and the pack of abusing dogs will always be here. So bring your lunch next time.
Posted by: tu3031 || 07/26/2005 16:16 Comments || Top||

#45  PT, a thread is generally tied to an article submission. On Rantburg's main page, click on Post Your Own Article at the top of the page. You will be presented with a form to fill out. Be prepared to give the article's title, an excerpt from the article and a URL for the original.

You may intersperse comments of your own. type the comment, select it and then use the hilite tab to distinguish it from the original article contents.

When you submit your entry, it goes into a holding queue where one of the moderators will check it for completeness and appropriate categories, then forward it to the public site. We may choose not to forward truly inappropriate articles -- I've dumped neonazi and racist stuff, as well as totally rabid leftwing agitation to violence for instance. Neither is acceptable here. We may also dump multiples of the same story. Otherwise, most things go through.
Posted by: rkb || 07/26/2005 16:17 Comments || Top||

#46  We may choose not to forward truly inappropriate articles -- I've dumped neonazi and racist stuff, as well as totally rabid leftwing agitation to violence for instance.

oh. no pron to. ima notis pron ushualy donet go thru.
Posted by: muck4doo || 07/26/2005 16:22 Comments || Top||

#47  mucky - those are fed directly to PD's hard drive
Posted by: Frank G || 07/26/2005 16:30 Comments || Top||

#48  Robin,

I know it is PT's link, but:
In fact, oil-for-food money is administered by the U.N., and disbursed directly from a U.S. bank account to foreign suppliers, so direct misappropriation of funds is impossible

In fact, the $64 billion in Oil for Food funds were handled by Banque Nationale de Paris-Paribas. If it were handled by a US bank or even a US branch of a foreign bank, the scam would have been discovered much earlier and the recipients traced.
Posted by: ed || 07/26/2005 16:38 Comments || Top||

#49  good catch, Ed. FAIR got it wrong back in 98-99.
Posted by: rkb || 07/26/2005 16:41 Comments || Top||

#50  "discovered" instead of "facilitated", huh, Ed?
Posted by: Frank G || 07/26/2005 16:46 Comments || Top||

#51  I also want to emphasize the last quoted paragraph of the Guardian article. The UNICEF study so often quoted by people such as PT is bogus. It was written by those working in Saddam's Ministry of Health. If they went against Saddam's wishes, what do you think would have been the state of their and their families' health?
Posted by: ed || 07/26/2005 16:47 Comments || Top||

#52  I stand by every word I posted on the original thread. It is of no value because it is solely interested in being special, not in discussion or factual exchange, but as celebrity / authority.

That every word it posted was factually incorrect, a mish-mash derivative of factually incorrect tripe, or pompous invective should have been sufficient for permanent exile.

It came not to contribute, but to parade itself, to show off its Emperor's New Duds, to establish itself as an authority, lol. Remarkably, and tellingly, it thought it could accomplish this instantly, wiggle out a large chunk of the Town Square for itself to erect a statue worthy of a Tranzi Socialist Champion - with it being the champion in this fantasy, and all this a mere morning's work of dumping proven fool's gold scooped up from the Moonbat sites. My, how original.

It is desperate for recognition and acclaim. It seems prepared to accept any sort of attention and any quality of acclaim -- and, as all who are parents will instantly recognize, this lowers its operating age to single digits. Been there, seen that, and bought the cleaning products.

It is an object of irrelevant dimension and variable substance, but the smell is unmistakable and all too familiar. This new thread's title, happily, accurately identifies the content it came to deposit, methinks.

*flush* is sooo apropos.

Or, to turn this into something of actual value, require it to provide a valid credit card and charge it by the word.

I can't wait for it to start posting articles.
Posted by: .com || 07/26/2005 17:04 Comments || Top||

#53  TTTTTT
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Glum camera backs it up 27. Still 13 away from my hero Major Bong. LOL!
Posted by: half || 07/26/2005 17:13 Comments || Top||

#54  When I saw "it's" then few posts last night I said to myself this was a troll looking to start a flame fest and didn't comment. If you don't feed them, they will go away.

Yes PD typical TRANZI ignorance is quite apperent.
Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom || 07/26/2005 17:34 Comments || Top||

#55  .com, Man, you can WRITE!
Posted by: phil_b || 07/26/2005 19:04 Comments || Top||

#56  Well I have to go now and leave you guys to exchange your favourite fantasies. I might be back tomorrow or the next day.

Well, I for one shall fantasize about your return.
Not.
Posted by: Secret Master || 07/26/2005 19:05 Comments || Top||

#57  There are several folks whose posts I admire, from time to time, and find that folks here rip them a new ...ummm... well, you know!

That's one of the things that makes RB so interesting.

Seek first to understand, then be understood.

I don't always practice it (ask my wife!) but it is a good practice for reaching agreement!

Goodnight!
Posted by: Bobby || 07/26/2005 21:15 Comments || Top||

#58  My days are numbered!
Posted by: Bigjim-ky || 07/26/2005 22:02 Comments || Top||

#59  Re #5 (rkb): PT/GE: you came to Rantburg and in less than 6 hours posted over 30 comments in a single thread, most of which were personal attacks on commenters here and on the United States.

and

Re #6 (Steve White): Yes, we will ban regulars if sufficiently abusive/foul. Ask Aris for details -- oh right, you can't, we banned him :-)

Grearong Elmurong9235 and Aris Katsaris were generally not abusive toward other individuals. It's simply that their opinions are not tolerated here.

Personal abuse toward other individuals is tolerated on Rantburg all the time.
.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 07/26/2005 22:16 Comments || Top||

#60  "Personal abuse toward other individuals is tolerated on Rantburg all the time."

NMM / AgentPoseur is a case in point.
Posted by: .com || 07/26/2005 22:31 Comments || Top||

#61  personal abuse = identifying sympathizers with death for UN $ Oil for food defenders. You apologize for killers you become their acolytes, especially Jihad Unspun publicist
Posted by: Frank G || 07/26/2005 22:50 Comments || Top||

#62  Rantburg is a forum where a large portion of the comments are nothing but personal abuse. The moderators tolerate it to an extraordinary extent.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 07/26/2005 23:06 Comments || Top||

#63  When one is the straw man, any criticism would seem personal, but it isn't.
I think we argue what you present on its merits.
We don't know diddly squat about you as a person, except that you seem to be IQ challenged either that or incredibly stubborn.

And for the record, Aris was quite abusive and not just to me.
Posted by: Jennie Taliaferro || 07/26/2005 23:24 Comments || Top||

#64  Aris was no more abusive than people were to him.
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 07/26/2005 23:26 Comments || Top||

#65  And some folks, circling the bowl of a tormented private event horizon, seek it out, secretly revel in it, and beg for the kill shot.

The Rantburg Red-Headed Stepchild Syndrome.
Posted by: .com || 07/26/2005 23:27 Comments || Top||

#66  Re #64 (Paul Maloney): Aris was no more abusive than people were to him.

Thanks, Paul, for confirming the obvious.
.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 07/26/2005 23:38 Comments || Top||

#67  take comfort where you can, OFF/UN apologist
Posted by: Frank G || 07/26/2005 23:43 Comments || Top||

#68  how's that "open books" UN audit going? Sevan still in country? Nooooo . Where's Kofi's kid? Find the account numbrs yet? The food ripped off stays ripped off. The children starved, stay starved. Only Mike S returns untarnished....not.
A REAL MEA CULPA would cause a lot (at least of mine) of accusations of toadying to nefarious purposes and fealty to the the UN/NGO's above American security/patriotism, but I won't be holding my breath or fire, MS
Posted by: Frank G || 07/26/2005 23:48 Comments || Top||

#69  I rest my case.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 07/26/2005 23:49 Comments || Top||

#70  as do I
Posted by: Frank G || 07/26/2005 23:51 Comments || Top||

#71  breeng bak aris!

ifn nothin else ima alwayz enchoyed seein him an me favrite jennie goin at it. :)
Posted by: muck4doo || 07/26/2005 23:54 Comments || Top||

#72  Sorry, muck4doo. Aris was too abusive.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 07/26/2005 23:57 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Al Qaeda in Iraq shows kidnapped Algerian diplomats on video
DUBAI - The group of Al Qaeda frontman in Iraq Abu Musab Al Zarqawi showed Tuesday on a video posted on an Internet site the two Algerian diplomats it has kidnapped in Iraq and decided to execute. The short video by the Organisation of Al Qaeda in the Land of Two Rivers showed separate clips of the blindfolded diplomats, stating their names and other personal details. The same group announced earlier that its own court had passed judgement on the two men who would be executed.
The only question is if they'll release a video of their beheading.
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Africa: North
Suicide Bomber Identified in Egypt Attack
Investigators have identified a suicide bomber in the weekend attacks that killed scores in this Red Sea resort, saying he was an Egyptian with Islamic militant ties, security officials said Tuesday as investigators questioned dozens more people. The bomber who was identified carried out the devastating truck bomb attack on the Ghazala Garden's hotel in Sharm el-Sheik. DNA tests identified him as Youssef Badran, an Egyptian Sinai resident with ties to Islamic militants, the officials said on condition of anonymity because the release of the details had not been authorized. Police held members of Badran's family for questioning and were trying to determine his associates, the officials said. Across Sinai, security forces took in 70 people for questioning on Tuesday, bringing to 140 the number held since the early Saturday blasts.
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Posted by: BigEd || 07/26/2005 12:31 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Zarqawi sez he's gonna kill the Algerians
Al Qaeda in Iraq said it will kill two Algerian diplomats it had kidnapped in Baghdad last week, according to an Internet statement posted on Tuesday.

"The judicial court of the Organisation of al Qaeda in Iraq has sentenced to death the diplomatic envoys of the apostate Algerian government," said the statement from the group led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

"This is the fate of the ambassadors and the envoys of all infidel governments," said the statement, dated July 25.

Its authenticity could not be immediately verified. Algeria's foreign ministry declined to comment and a government official said the issue was too sensitive to make a statement at the moment.

Algerian Foreign Minister Mohamed Bedjaoui said in comments published on Tuesday: "We have always been on the side of the Iraqi people ... For Algerian envoys to be attacked is something that is beyond comprehension."

Guerrilla strikes have driven diplomats from the Iraqi capital, undermining the U.S.-backed government's efforts to gain support among Arab countries. On Monday Algeria pulled its last diplomatic staff out of its embassy in Baghdad.

The statement, posted on an Islamist Web site often used by al Qaeda in Iraq, did not give details about the fate of mission chief Ali Belaroussi, 62, and attaché Azzedine Belkadi, 47 who were snatched by gunmen on Thursday near their embassy.

It was the first time the group admitted to holding Belkadi. Earlier this week, al Qaeda claimed the kidnapping of Belaroussi and on Monday posted pictures of identification cards belonging to him on the same Web site.

The families of Belaroussi and Belkadi on Tuesday appealed in an newspaper to al Qaeda to free their loved ones.

Al Qaeda in Iraq earlier this month kidnapped and killed Egyptian mission chief Ihab el-Sherif. It also shot and wounded the envoys of Pakistan and Bahrain.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 07/26/2005 10:11 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Why, I'll moidalize dem bums!"
Posted by: mojo || 07/26/2005 10:29 Comments || Top||

#2  This has little to do with the Iraqi people, and it has more to do with the Jordanian pretender of Islam and the meowing kitten of crimminals everywhere. Zarqawi is more at issue here rather than alleged apostate governments and foreigners trying to re-empower the survivors of Saddam Hussein's reign of terror and the unfortunate global response to dis-empower him. The common Iraq people suffered from all quarters. Now... they suffer another terror in the shape of the one-legged pervert of the word of Allah and his messenger. Zarqawi feels he has no choice to maintain his so-called credibility. he still mistakens fear for respect and that trait is what betrays his true self and motive. It is all about him and the only way to ralley others to his selfish pursuits is to raise the banners of Jihaad, Islam and the need to destroy terrible mean Satanic West. It is all about Zarqawi and he cannot back down and be seen as weak or was just a fake and fraud. Zarqawi must follow his satanic path to it's end... no matter how many he must drag down with him. Is it any wonder that he quietly has some of his potential competitors arranged for a glorious death? he must maintain center stage and in the spotlight. It is aboput Zarqawi and not Jihaad. Jihaad is the vehicle to achieve his personal and twisted goals of empowerment as a dictator disquised as a Sultan or Caliph or prince. Then can he satiate his need for boys and perverted lusts at the expense of the Iraqi people and elsewhere. He is sick and must be cured or returned to his kennel for a quick death. Then he can sit down at the big table with his master Satan and play cards all he wants along with Hitler, Stalin and the rest.
Posted by: Thraling Ulaitle8166 || 07/26/2005 11:04 Comments || Top||

#3  I meant the unfortunate global response as how it was conducted. Way too many governments said one thing at the UN and back home it was business as usual.
Posted by: Thraling Ulaitle8166 || 07/26/2005 11:14 Comments || Top||

#4  He's just a psyhopath.

A Hannibal Lecter on steroids.

Like all good psyhos he's convinced his audience he's somebody else. The Islamic public (somehow) needs the ablity to see that a psyhopath is not a freedom figher. That's a major plot hole in their body politic.
Posted by: 3dc || 07/26/2005 12:17 Comments || Top||

#5  So maybe we do need to capture the psychopath. Maybe the Algerians, Egyptians,Pakistanis, and Bahrainians wanna help? Howzabout you Russians, Spanish, East Timorians, etc. Maybe you could each send two policemen?

Let's just say you were right not to support the war in Iraq. Politics, trade, anti-US, humanitarian reasons? I don't care anymore. Whaddaya gonna do now? Run away?

Yeah, run away, in fear and in shame. Run awayt until somebody else solves the problem. Taliban 2000™ coming soon to a country near you, and looking better and better all the time, eh? No hard times, no heavy lifting to get there, just wait for it.
Posted by: Bobby || 07/26/2005 12:46 Comments || Top||

#6  Lot more apostates out there then I ever would have thought. Doesn't it seem like he is biting of more than he can chew? He started out fighting us, now he has just about every Arab country(besides Iran) and the G8 countries on his ass.
Posted by: Bigjim-ky || 07/26/2005 22:22 Comments || Top||


Africa: North
Officials: Pakistanis not linked to Egypt bombs
SHARM EL SHEIKH, Egypt (CNN) -- Five Pakistani men being sought by Egyptian authorities are not connected to Saturday's bombings in the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, Egyptian officials said Tuesday.
Two official government sources -- Hussein Haridy, Egyptian ambassador to Pakistan and the Interior Ministry press office -- denied a Pakistani link to the bombings but did not deny law enforcement was already looking for the Pakistanis and is still looking for them.
"No, no, they're not suspects. We prefer the term; 'person of interest'."
Or the term, 'material witness'.
Egyptian officials had circulated pictures to local Egyptian authorities of the suspects.
But they're not suspects
They confirmed they had been seeking them before the Saturday attacks, and the Interior Ministry told CNN that investigators had concluded the suspects had no connection to the Sharm el-Sheikh bombings.
"No, no connection. It's perfectly normal for stuff to blow up around Pakistanis, happens all the time."
Haridy told CNN he had informed the Pakistani government about the investigation's conclusion. State-owned newspaper Al-Ahram also denied any link of Pakistanis to the explosions.
And if you can't believe a state-owned paper...
Other independent media in Egypt are still posting the pictures of the five Pakistani men and reporting they are still suspected of involvement in the bombings. The suicide bombings on Saturday killed 84 people, including at least two bombers, and wounded more than 200 others.
Posted by: Steve || 07/26/2005 09:56 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What's the betting line that the Egyptian authorities -- off the record of course -- will soon blame the .... drum roll please ...JEWS?
Posted by: Jeper Elmeath5805 || 07/26/2005 10:22 Comments || Top||

#2  You only bet on sure things JE. Something like this? Claim: Mossad behind Sharm attacks
Several Egyptian "security experts" and "political analysts" interviewed by Arab TV stations in the aftermath of the Sharm e-Sheikh bombings on Saturday claimed that Israel and Jews were behind the carnage.
Posted by: ed || 07/26/2005 10:39 Comments || Top||

#3  Yeah that ain't honest gambling JE.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 10:55 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Tales from the Bangladesh Police Log
‘Terrorist’ killed in shootout with police in Tangail
July 25: An alleged terrorist was killed and five policemen were injured in a shootout between the cops and a gang of terrorists at Bazitpur in the town early today. The deceased was identified as Minhaz Uddin, 42, chief of ‘Bhut Bahini’ in Tangail.
Police said Minhaz and his accomplices opened fire on them (cops) as they encircled them in the area while they were taking liquor, triggering a gunfight.
"It's da law! Here, hold my beer. Take that, coppers!"
Minhaz was struck by bullets during the firefight as he tried to flee.
"Ouch..ouch..ouch!
He died on the spot
."....rosebud..."
One SMG, a magazine and two lethal weapons were recovered from the spot after the gunfight.
A upgrade from the usual shutter gun
Police said Minhaz, a resident of Thanapara in the town, was wanted in 18 cases, including four of murders. His body was handed over to his family members after autopsy.
"Here ya go. Have a nice day"

Another AK-47 rifle recovered in Bandarban
BANDARBAN, July 25:–BDR today seized another AK-47 rifle along with ammunition from the deep forest of Naikhangchhari upazila here, says BSS. Members of the Bangladesh Rifles (BDR) also destroyed a hidden den of terrorists during a special drive in Baishari Union in inaccessible Alekhang hills, officials said.
Guess it wasn't that hidden and inaccessible
BDR recovered five AK-47 rifles and huge quantity of bullets and other equipment from the same area on July 16 last after a fierce fight with the terrorists.

BDNEWS adds from Khagrachhari - A fierce fighting between the army personnel and the terrorists took place in the deep forest at Massang-Sajek of bordering Baghai Haat in the district early Monday. The army recovered military equipments and ammunitions and documents including 15 rounds of bullet left by the terrorists. But no casualty was reported so far. Security force sources said when one of their patrol team reached the spot at about 2:30 pm, terrorists opened fire on them sensing their presence. The terrorists retreated and disappeared into the jungle through a trench when the patrol team retaliated with gunfire.
"Ooops, time to flee.."
Eventually the army demolished the den of the terrorists.

Woman held with bombs, firearms
The elite force Rapid Action Battalion (RAB) recovered two powerful bombs weighing one Kg each and nabbed a woman in this connection in a seven-hour drive conducted at North Shahjahanpur in the city yesterday.
The arrested woman was identified as Shammi Huq alias Mukta (30), wife of Sk Mohammad Harun-ur-Rashid and a resident of North Shahjahanpur under Khilgaon police station. She hails from Khulna.

According to RAB sources, acting on a tip off a team of RAB-3 arrested an arms trader from a five-storied house at 215 North Shahjahanpur yesterday. Following her confessional statement RAB personnel recovered a revolver loaded with four rounds of bullet from a drawer of an almirah, recovered two powerful bombs wrapped with black scotch tape from under the cot, a photo album of naked women and "an important diary."
I'm sure they'll check out the diary, after they get done with the photo album. Might take awhile
RAB personnel also seized her mobile phone set. RAB personnel suspected that the bombs were made with local ingredients and by local people.

A high official in RAB said that they were keeping watch on arrested Shammi for the last fifteen days. The woman sold a huge cache of arms two days ago, he added. Following her arrest, she was heard telephoning influential people to save her now that they had thrown her into trouble.
"Hello, hello, no wait, don't put me on hold, dammit!"
The RAB personnel handed the arrested woman to Motijheel police station yesterday.
Hope she doesn't have any arms cached in any dark alleys


Fake currency recovered-10 criminals held by RAB
A special squad of the Rapid Action Battalion (RAB) arrested 10 active members of a notorious crime syndicate along with its boss raiding a secret den of criminals at the city's posh residential area at DOHS on Sunday late night.
Wonder if you need a secret password to get into the secret den?

The RAB also recovered a huge amount of cash including some fake currencies, gold ornaments and some foreign liquors worth about Taka about 7 lakh from their possessions. Acting on a tip-off, the members of RAB-1 arrested the leader of a crime syndicate Md. Zahangir Alam of Goplaganj conducting an operation at House No-206, Road No-2, DOHS (Defence Officers Housing Society) under Cantonment police station.

Later, according to the confessional statement of Zahangir Alam, the members of RAB-1 arrested Nurul Islam, Mohammad Ali, Mohammad Shahajahan, Moazzem, Ratan, Ruhul Amin, Mostafizur alias Faisal, Md. Sohel, Kafil Uddin and Abdus Sattar conducting an operation at another hidden den of criminals at Baridhara. RAB recovered a cash of Taka 4,59,00 7 tolas of gold ornaments worth about Taka 60, 000, 16 Saudi Riyal and 35 forged notes of Taka 500 from their possession.
But not one single crossfire, dammit!
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#1  I fear the crossfire has ceased. A new RAB PR man and RB spotlight?
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 10:20 Comments || Top||

#2  Is a Shutter Gun a "lethal weapon?"
Posted by: Jackal || 07/26/2005 14:36 Comments || Top||

#3  The Lerned Elders of RB think it might be a homemade shotgun. A slug is bad for 'ya but the clubing could be worse.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 15:11 Comments || Top||

#4  I was just asking because the two lethal weapons got the comment
A upgrade from the usual shutter gun
.
So, if a shutter gun is a lethal weapon, that could be what they found.
Posted by: Jackal || 07/26/2005 17:19 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
Islamic Jihad fires rockets at Israel town
GAZA, July 26 (UPI) -- Islamic Jihad militants said they fired two rockets at the Israeli town of Sederot Tuesday in retaliation for the arrest of several members of the group. A statement by the al-Quds Brigades, Jihad's military wing, said two locally-made Quds-2 rockets slammed into Sederot early in the morning, causing material damage and panic among the population. "The operation is in response to the arrest by Israeli forces of nine members of Islamic Jihad in Jenin and Bethlehem in the West Bank," the statement added.
Posted by: Steve || 07/26/2005 09:11 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  squash that crap, now, Sharon.
Posted by: Frank G || 07/26/2005 9:25 Comments || Top||

#2  Each time this happens, the israelis should respond with artillery and level a grid square. Consider it the mideast equivalent of whacking the dog on the nose for pissing on the carpet. It's the right thing to do.
Posted by: ed || 07/26/2005 10:22 Comments || Top||

#3  Actually, Ed, the only thing that teaches a dog is to fear you, unless you do it exactly as the dog is ABOUT to piss. And even then it's not the best approach to housetraining.

See, for instance, excellent books such as Karen Pryor's Don't Shoot the Dog or Jean Donaldson's Culture Clash for a good, scientific explanation of operant conditioning and how dogs really learn.

Now this is pretty pendantic on my part -- except for the fact that humans (who have reasoning powers dogs lack) do also learn from operant conditioning. If you want to give effective behavioral feedback it must come immediately AS the action is being performed -- and the subject must perceive the connection between their actions and the response.

Finally, the response must NOT come when they are NOT doing the action in question.
Posted by: rkb || 07/26/2005 10:37 Comments || Top||

#4  Robin, I don't have any need to swat my dog. Unlike the Palestinians, he's quite well behaved. Besides, I let my newspaper subscription run out and now completely out of doggie ammo.

But my quip about firing back stands. Artillery is an immediate feedback mechanism, while closing a border crossing is not.
Posted by: ed || 07/26/2005 11:10 Comments || Top||

#5  I hope Israel doesn't shoot back. That would endanger the fragile Cease-Fire™.
Posted by: Jackal || 07/26/2005 14:51 Comments || Top||

#6  jackal:

apparently, the fragile Cease-Fire™ applies only to israel
Posted by: PlanetDan || 07/26/2005 15:51 Comments || Top||

#7  That's what I was saying. It's like the kid trying to excuse himself by saying "He hit me back first!"
Posted by: Jackal || 07/26/2005 17:26 Comments || Top||

#8  Wait a minute! Jews arent supposed to fight back, they are just supposed to die.
Posted by: Bigjim-ky || 07/26/2005 22:45 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
50 Suspected Taliban Killed in Afghanistan
EFL
Fighting between Taliban rebels and U.S. and Afghan forces killed about 50 suspected militants and two Afghan soldiers, in the deadliest clashes in weeks ahead of crucial legislative elections, a provincial governor said Tuesday. The fighting late Monday in Uruzgan province's Dihrawud district came during an offensive against a rebel camp, which had been used as a base for attacks in neighboring areas, Gov. Jan Mohammed Khan said.

About 25 suspected insurgents were captured, he said, adding that Afghan forces were still finding the bodies of rebels Tuesday. An American military spokeswoman said she had no details. But a U.S. military statement issued Monday said that heavy fighting in the area had killed one American service member, an Afghan soldier and 11 rebels. Three U.S. troops and one Afghan soldier were also wounded, it said.
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#1  This is fitting expectations. Large numbers of Taliban are being booted out of their sanctuary in Pakistan. No longer having sanctuaries in Afghanistan, if they are on their own or in small groups, local villagers will kill them or turn them over to the government. So they are forced to band together in large brigand groups, which make swell targets for conventional attack. In essense, they are in that worst of situation, a non-conventional army forced to fight conventional battles against a vastly superior force.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 07/26/2005 10:25 Comments || Top||

#2  Bet you're right on this one 'moose.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 10:47 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
50,000 Iraqi Insurgents Dead or Caught
From The Washington Times, an article by Sharon Behn
U.S. and Iraqi forces have killed or arrested more than 50,000 Iraqi insurgents in the past seven months, a former top general who has headed repeated Pentagon assessment missions to Iraq said yesterday. Gen. Jack Keane, a former deputy chief of staff for the Army, also said the United States has a good picture of the leadership of the vicious insurgency but less of an idea about its mid- and lower-level ranks.

Pentagon officials previously had been quoted as saying 15,000 to 16,000 Iraqis were in custody in Iraq, but spokesman Lawrence DiRita was unable to comment last night on the 50,000 figure offered by the general. ....

The retired general has traveled to Iraq twice in uniform and twice as a civilian to assess progress there for the U.S. military. He did not explain how the number had been obtained. ...

"There are thousands of people in jail who have a body of evidence against them -- some should be receiving death sentences, some should be in jail for life sentences," Gen. Keane said. .... He also said American commanders have found it difficult to penetrate the insurgency. Despite painstaking work undertaken to sift through thousands of interrogations and field reports, a clear picture of the midlevel structure of the insurgency was hard to see. ...
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 07/26/2005 07:19 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Its a start.

Come on boys, theres more work to be done.
Posted by: JackAssFestival || 07/26/2005 8:50 Comments || Top||

#2  Now, try to break that record.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 07/26/2005 9:09 Comments || Top||

#3  To this I say: Kill even more!!
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 07/26/2005 10:37 Comments || Top||

#4  How many are really Iraqi's and how many are other (IINO)?

My guess would be that most insurgents are imports. Perhaps initiating some border patrol policies / procedures would drop the insurgency level and the techniques could then be applied on our borders.

Yes, I know, wishful thinking.
Posted by: Michael_in_TN || 07/26/2005 12:57 Comments || Top||

#5  Ohhhhhhh. All those poor "Iraqi civilians" we have killed.
Posted by: Jackal || 07/26/2005 17:23 Comments || Top||

#6  Why keep em out of Iraq? Let em come on in, the terrorists come to us where we can kill them. The Hard Boyz are easier to shoot out in the open desert than they are in London, sadly. But Sounds like a sweet deal to me.

The foreign jihadists also delegitamize the homegrown Sunni insurgency, as if it needed any more delegitimization-(I'm not sure that's a word), but you get me here.

Every time these dumbass splodeydopes kill innocent children and do so in the name of an "insurgency" normal Iraqis grow more and more ready to join the democratic process to drive them out.

Risk of sectarian war grows, but that was going to happen anyway. The Badr brigades and Peshmerga haven't forgotten what the Sunnis did to them while Saddam was around, and they will get their revenge!

EP
Posted by: ElvisHasLeftTheBuilding || 07/26/2005 19:14 Comments || Top||

#7  an MS bone to balance the JihadUnspun orgy? thanks, but a lot more balance needed
Posted by: Frank G || 07/26/2005 20:19 Comments || Top||

#8  Megadittoes to what Frank said.
Posted by: Jennie Taliaferro || 07/26/2005 21:25 Comments || Top||


Iraqi Insurgents Killed About 30 US Soldiers on Friday
From Jihad Unspun
... a bomb that was planted by the side of the main road, known as ash-Shurtah Road, blew up as a joint patrol of Americans and Iraqi puppet troops was passing by. One US soldier was killed and two more Americans wounded. ....

The US military occupation forces admitted on Friday that one American Marine died on Thursday of wounds received when an Iraqi Resistance bomb exploded during combat operations in the area of Hit. ....

An Iraqi Resistance bomb exploded by a convoy of US military trucks loaded with provisions and supplies for American troops on the highway in the Khan Darri area in western Abu Ghurayb .... The explosion set one of the truck on fire, killing one soldier and wounding a second. .....

A detachment of Iraqi Resistance fighters attacked a joint US-Iraqi puppet patrol in as-Sayyidiyah to the south of Baghdad .... Four US troops and six Iraqi puppet soldiers were killed and six Americans were wounded. ...

An Iraqi Resistance bomb exploded by a US fuel truck convoy in the ar-Rashidiyah area just north of Baghdad .... The blast set one of the fuel trucks on fire, killing two American soldiers. ....

Two Iraqi Resistance martyrdom fighters drove two car bombs into an American armored column in Tikrit on the main road linking Baghdad with the northern provinces .... The blasts destroyed two US armored vehicles and disabled a third, killing eight American troops and wounding three more. ...

An Iraqi Resistance bomb exploded by a US armored column on the main road from Baghdad to the north in the city of al-Mushahadah .... a bomb that was planted by the side of the main road ... The explosion disabled one of the armored vehicles, killing one US soldier and seriously wounding four more.

An Iraqi Resistance car bomb exploded by a US military column in al-Mahmudiyah, south of Baghdad .... when a column of six American armored vehicles and two Humvees passed by. The witnesses said that the blast set one of the American armored vehicles on fire, killing its five-man crew.

Iraqi Resistance forces carried out two consecutive attacks on a US military column at the entrance to the al-Islah az-Zira‘i neighborhood in northwestern Mosul .... an Iraqi Resistance bomb that was planted by the side of the main road at the eastern entrance to the neighborhood exploded by a passing column of six armored vehicles and four Humvees, disabling one of the armored vehicles. Then after the column had come to a halt following the bomb blast and were engaged in tending to the dead and wounded, Iraqi Resistance fighters fired eight mortar rounds into the American column, destroying one Humvee and setting an armored vehicle on fire. In all, eight US troops were killed or wounded.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 07/26/2005 00:17 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  You really do hate the U.S. military, don't you?
Posted by: Raj || 07/26/2005 1:08 Comments || Top||

#2  I understand you, but it's not that deep, Raj. ;-)
Posted by: .com || 07/26/2005 1:18 Comments || Top||

#3 

Imer msHoover filer mi upps wit loathing.

Posted by: Glaiting Hupeath5240 || 07/26/2005 2:59 Comments || Top||

#4  Either MS doesn't understand what enemy propaganda is, or he eagerly repeats it.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 07/26/2005 3:30 Comments || Top||

#5  Somebody took a damn good swig of that Kool-aid!
Posted by: CrazyFool || 07/26/2005 3:49 Comments || Top||

#6  Lol, our Minimum Recommended Daily Requirement of Fuckwit Moonbat Dementia is met.
Posted by: .com || 07/26/2005 3:52 Comments || Top||

#7  Right...steal its natural resources..I suppose we're carrying these barrels of oils in getaway cars and trucks too eh? Never mention that oh Iraq is getting paid for its oil production, never mention that oil costs in iraq are less than 50 cents a gallon or that its actually SUBSIDIZED there on top of that? Yeah remind me again about the natural resources.
Posted by: Valentine || 07/26/2005 3:54 Comments || Top||

#8  That was pretty pathetic, GE. Really pathetic.

Here, learn from The Master.
Posted by: .com || 07/26/2005 4:00 Comments || Top||

#9  GE fool & rump buddie ms tool,

All your crude belong to us.
Posted by: Halliburton oil acquisition division || 07/26/2005 4:18 Comments || Top||

#10  Christ, who pissed in your lentils?
Posted by: Howard UK || 07/26/2005 5:50 Comments || Top||

#11  It would be interesting to know how many of Rantburg's lurkers were involved in writing the sterling bit of prose Grearong Elmurong9235 quotes, but not enough to ask him/her/it/them (we mustn't be judgemental, after all!) to reveal himself/themselves. In my dreams I see classically suited but harassed looking bureaucrats explaining to Grearong Elmurong9235 that it does no good to use a couple of indisputable facts as the basis for spinning an absurd conspiracy theory. After all, most of Europe and Japan, amongst many other nations, are significantly more dependent on OPEC oil from the Middle East. The majority of America's oil imports come from Canada and Mexico, followed by Venezuela. So, if we were to take over a country to secure our own oil imports, Canada would be our best bet ... and much easier to control besides. Can you imagine Canadian suicide bombers crashing an airplane into the American side of Niagara Falls in an attempt to terrorize us into submission?
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/26/2005 6:12 Comments || Top||

#12  killed over 123,000 Iraqis

Bullshit. That's complete bullshit.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 07/26/2005 6:21 Comments || Top||

#13  OK, I'm going to start on a schtick that has been bugging me for a while. The reality is the rest of the world 'free rides' on many things the USA does. The list is long, everything from weather forecasts, drug development and GPS through to basic scientific reasearch where more than half occurs in the USA.

The reality is that the USA is protecting the world's oil supply in Iraq, even though it is way down the list of beneficiaries. Beware of what you wish for, you may get it.
Posted by: phil_b || 07/26/2005 6:41 Comments || Top||

#14 
hi rex
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 6:41 Comments || Top||

#15  We are living on borrowed money, good news is no collection agency in the world will come knocking. That's the beauty of the empire.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 6:52 Comments || Top||

#16  Illegal War? Brussels angry? Kofi in a kilter? So what. Your type is powerless.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 6:55 Comments || Top||

#17  Like? the Euro maybe? Rubble? Peso? Canadian dollar? Doesn't matter, you can't collect.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 6:56 Comments || Top||

#18  GE, you are clearly a Leftist moron, but nonetheless I will answer your question. The interuption of oil supply from the middle east will be a devastating economic event everywhere in the world, billions will get poorer, millions will go hungry, millions of kids won't go to school, prostitution will increase and these people will be in developing countries, but of course you don't care about real people because it doesn't fit your banal/idiotic conspiracist worldview. I despise people like you.
Posted by: phil_b || 07/26/2005 6:56 Comments || Top||

#19  Devalue the buck and who gets the burn?
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 6:57 Comments || Top||

#20  Endearing? Damn I didn't realize that was the desired outcome.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 6:58 Comments || Top||

#21  Besides with have the secret f-11 recon craft.
Posted by: J Rubenstein || 07/26/2005 7:02 Comments || Top||

#22  The internal market of the US protects it against a weak dollar, foreign holders won't be so lucky.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 7:05 Comments || Top||

#23  Mr Grearong

If 128,000 Irakis heve been killed why aren't you complaining to your friends the Islamo-nazis?

It was not an american bomb who killed the 390 children the other day, it was an Islamo-nazi bomb.

The truth is that you couldn't care less about the Irakis just as your predecessors couldn't care less about the Vietnamese and Cambodains who were gneocided due to their action. They didn't cared because, then Vietnamese and Cambodiann today Irakis are not people for the racist well-born bourgeois of Berkeley and Europe: they are only pawns to sacrifice for the fulfillment of your petty dreams and the appeasement of your petty frustrations.

Third world people shouldn't be damned to a life of poverty, fear and torture for the pelasure of the bunch of losers who supported Saddam, and before that Pol Pot and before that Mao and before that...
Posted by: JFM || 07/26/2005 7:07 Comments || Top||

#24  Check out GE9235's web site. It's got all sorts of authoritative reporting and insightful analysis. For instance, there's this little gem:

Karl Rove Seen at Homosexual Orgies in Washington

Walter Storch, editor of the Barnes Review News reported three weeks ago that "Karl Rove was seen by one of my people entering a private homosexual orgy at a five-star Washington hotel over the Mid-Atlantic Leather (MAL) weekend last year." [2004]

A Barnes reporter told Storch that "Karl greatly enjoyed the supervision of a certain hairy 350-lb. Leather Dominator who had won the Miss Virginia Daddy Bear title at the MAL festivities." [...]


ROFL!!!!!
Posted by: Dave D. || 07/26/2005 7:08 Comments || Top||

#25  I think you all are missing the point of Mike S's post and his buddy GE9235. See, there are all these dead US soldiers -- HUGE numbers according to Jihad Unspun -- but no bodies for them are coming home and their families continue to get email and even streaming video sometimes. And all those dead Iraqis too.

See, here's the REAL deal: Halliburton is converting those bodies for a fuel source to replace oil. Takes a lot of them to run the prototype process, yes? So they have to fake them still being alive.

Employs a lot of those laidoff .com techies, too. One of Karl Rove / Rummy's better evil plots, I think. Not to mention classic American efficiency. Saddam just plowed his hundreds of thousands of dead into open pit graves.
Posted by: too true || 07/26/2005 7:09 Comments || Top||

#26  That's the website you pointed us to in comment #19, citing it as authority for your Iraq casualty figures.
Posted by: Dave D. || 07/26/2005 7:17 Comments || Top||

#27  Ah. So you go to a lot of websites like that. Figures.
Posted by: Dave D. || 07/26/2005 7:21 Comments || Top||

#28  Oups it was a typo it was not 390 but 30.

Anyone noticed the indiffernce of our racist petit-bourgeois to the lives of teh Irakis. How indifferent it is to those who are NOT being killed by Saddam? How it is America's fault and NOTR the fault of those who want the Irakis to live in slavery?

Tell me mr Glaerung? Why are so you frustrated? It is because you can't perform in bed or it is because your inc=vestment in Total-Fina-Elf shares has tanked?

Posted by: JFM || 07/26/2005 7:28 Comments || Top||

#29  GE, I'm not an American, and I am sure you respect others cultural norms. So I am going to revert to my cultures norms. You are an ignorant fuckhead, so piss off and stop bothering people who are trying to intelligently discuss important world issues.
Posted by: phil_b || 07/26/2005 7:30 Comments || Top||

#30  It seems that one of my two hypotheses about Mr Glaurung was right. :-)
Posted by: JFM || 07/26/2005 7:42 Comments || Top||

#31  I'd forgotten about Uncle Harold. :) Definitely OxBridge?
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 7:43 Comments || Top||

#32  Ah British Medicine.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 7:45 Comments || Top||

#33  Be seeing you.
Let us know when you change names.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 7:46 Comments || Top||

#34  I suspect from GE's point of view, Hillary Clinton is right-wing!
Posted by: Bobby || 07/26/2005 7:56 Comments || Top||

#35  Who are Timothy and Harold? Why does this Grearong Elmurong9235 person keep responding to people who don't seem to exist? And where are the mass graves filled with the post-invasion Iraqi dead to match the mass graves filled with Saddam Hussein's victims? Surely with so many AFP and BBC reporters wandering around the Iraqi landscape, they would be able to find the recently turned earth...
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/26/2005 7:57 Comments || Top||

#36  Bottom line is though the US isn't doing body counts as required under the Geneva Convention

Where in the Geneva Conventions does it require a body count? I've read them, and could find no such requirement.

Oddly, though, lots of lunatic left sites around the web claim they're required. None seem to give a citation, either. Probably because, like much of what the lunatic left says about the Geneva Conventions, they're pulling that requirement out of their asses.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 07/26/2005 8:00 Comments || Top||

#37  Mr Gollum asked

Has Rantburg always been right wing like this?

We are for brown people getting democracy, for them not fearing their children beuing tortured, for them not living in misery and we are against the pseudo-left and true racists who soesn't acre about their fate, against those who don't care about the childrens of those brown people being raped by Saddam thugs as long as it advances the cause of our white multi-culti poseurs.

Anymore questions before you go home into the car paid by daddy?
Posted by: JFM || 07/26/2005 8:09 Comments || Top||

#38  No doubt the kind of jokes my parents chose not to share with us children, and nobody else will explain now I'm grown. Oh, well. I've ever suffered from the curse of a sheltered childhood.

You do mean the U.N. sanctions, of course. I always found it odd France, Germany and Russia were so eager to break the U.N. sanctions they'd voted for in order to sell Saddam Hussein weapons systems and the ingredients and turn-key manufacturies for the very WMD the sanctions were designed to prevent. Ah, well, that's all coming out now as the Oil For Food investigations ordered up by Kofi Annan proceed at a gratifyingly quick pace. You'll find a great many articles on the subject in recent Rantburg archives, Grearong Elmurong9235. As for the mass graves, the Iraqi bloggers have reports and photos from a local perspective. I do believe there are links along the right hand side. And of course, the gentleman who wrote, pre-invasion, as Salman Pak, is writing for one of your British papers these days.
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/26/2005 8:16 Comments || Top||

#39  Well said, JFM.

Using racist terms, thats obviously worse than raping relatives in front of people, killing 8,000 of your relatives, using poison gas on towns and killing thousands of children, not to mention the mass graves.

What we genuinely don't get is how this is equivalent and constitutes a basis for argument. So how about you explain it to us?
Posted by: phil_b || 07/26/2005 8:24 Comments || Top||

#40  GE -- first, the US military is no longer an occupying force; there is an Iraqi government in place. Secondly, there *are* birth and death certificates being issued and tracked. The Iraqi Health Ministry does it.

The problem is, the lunatic left doesn't like the numbers, so they make up their own. The stupid "100,000" number is an example of a made-up number. The actual "study" had a range of a few thousand to 200,000, so the authors took the average. Not scientific, not accurate -- but politically useful.

Finally, on the mass graves -- citing a year-old story is not a good idea. Particularly when it's one I've seen before, and I know it's one that has been intentionally misunderstood by the lunatic left. The 5,000 figure is not the number of bodies found, but those recovered and identified. In fact, single mass grave sites have been found that hold as many, and the total number is well over 300,000, and increasing.

From the NYTimes:

BAGHDAD, Iraq, April 14 - Investigators have discovered several mass graves in southern Iraq that are believed to contain the bodies of people killed by Saddam Hussein’s government, including one estimated to hold 5,000 bodies, Iraqi officials say.

The graves, discovered over the past three months, have not yet been dug up because of the risks posed by the continuing insurgency and the lack of qualified forensic workers, said Bakhtiar Amin, Iraq’s interim human rights minister. But initial excavations have substantiated the accounts of witnesses to a number of massacres. If the estimated body counts prove correct, the new graves would be among the largest in the grim tally of mass killings that have gradually come to light since the fall of Mr. Hussein’s government two years ago. At least 290 grave sites containing the remains of some 300,000 people have been found since the American invasion two years ago, Iraqi officials say.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 07/26/2005 8:24 Comments || Top||

#41  Fuck GE, If you're going to come to an American site and insult us, at least use American slang, you fucking stupid piece of shit. Wankers my ass. The appropriate term is "jerk-offs."

You're so fucking stupid that you can't see the contradictions in your own arguments. So what is worse? Us starving 500,000 Iraqi kids or us killing 128,000 Iraqis through direct action. Oh shit, I'm sorry. Its always our fucking fault! Kids die in third world shithole? The US didn't relieve their debt so their corrupt rulers can take out a new set of loans to skim and load up their Cayman bank accounts. A country is in recession due to a failed industrial policy, then it must be because the IMF is supporting a strong dollar or a weak dollar or whatever the fuck it is that week. If terrorists attack somewhere, then it must be because at one point some CIA operative had a conversation with one of the group's members in a cafe in Beruit in 1989.

But what do I expect? The best part of you ran down your daddy's leg. The real sad part is that you're too fucking dense to do your own research and look beyond what the Guardian and Independent feed you. It's all just one big zero sum game out there, right. The US must be stealing because of its huge trade imbalance. I mean one of these days, you guys are going to figure it out and just plain flat bust us. Then you'll be rich and sell your products to... hmm... crap, I dunno. Your own second rate economies won't support that kind of consumption. Well then you'll create new jobs by, um well, I guess you can nationalize the steel industry again. And you'll grow the economy by stimulating... damn... your banks have the money markets so locked up through laws and regulations, individual investment in stocks and bonds is almost impossible for smallholders.

Wake up crypto-marxist dumbass! You need the US more than we need you. We've been growing the world economy for the last 50 years by assuming enormous risks. Just as we offered up our own people as hostages during the Cold War so you could whack off to Sartre and Derrida, so we've assumed huge risk to open our markets so that you could grow yours and achieve high growth and stability. You better hope the US economy doesn't collapse, Einstein, because if it does, I suspect that America will pull together and once again find a way through it while the rest of the world once again descends into facism and totalitarianism.

BTW, the whole "civil, well-reasoned discourse" thing is irony, you retard. Get it? Rantburg -- civil? But then I wouldn't expect a Brit to understand such subtle humor. Now buzz off. Don't you have something more important to do like bugger little boys or attend a peace rally?
Posted by: 11A5S || 07/26/2005 8:28 Comments || Top||

#42  Wow! GE, you are persistent. If you have a link for these supposed facts then post it. Otherwise this is juvenile agitprop. Make up stuff and post it and there enough idiots out there who will believe it. I suggest a forum where the idiot quotient is higher. There are many out there.
Posted by: phil_b || 07/26/2005 8:35 Comments || Top||

#43  Sigh. How boring and repetitive. It came back, armed with a load of text - it hasn't the blog manners to provide the link - it posts entire articles as it believes quantity = quality, same as with all trollish assholes.

Yet another ponce / poofta come down from on high (soma? crack? arrogance?) to educate the poor knuckle-draggers in the ways of the world. The only problem is that everything it posts is utter bullshit. When quoting or citing, it points to websites which are utter bullshit and looneytoon repositories - ranging from the obvious insane fuckwits to the "respected" institutional agenda-driven fuckwits. It pretends it is engaged in civil discourse, when it is merely mewling whatever Kool Aid Talking Points it last bought into at the local Moonbat Market. Discuss? Lol. With no shared reality, the overtly common vocabulary is as much a canard as the mind-boggling crap content it posts.

GE is merely today's mildly entertaining bandwidth-hogging personification of arrogance fuckwit. Devoid of anything resembling a grasp of reality to match the grasp of diction, totally submersed in stale Kool Aid, and believing itself to be beyond error - thus not discussing, merely spewing idiocy, injurious twice over for the absurdity of the condescending approach. It doesn't have a clue to whom it is lecturing, yet it is fully confident it is the Master of Fact and all here are mere foolish halflings in need of a good strapping. What an ass. Better yet, it's an ass that types - and delivers precisely what you'd expect an ass to deliver.

The boilerplate link was spot-on - it contains most of what the fool has dumped, thus far. Just think of the bandwidth it would've saved had it just posted, "Yes, indeed, that covers it... but it steals my vainglorious thunder." We would've commiserated and it could've then moved on to MoveOn.org or ToolsOfSoros.org for another load and dosage.

Poor GE. Although it's obvious you think yourself something of an authority, steeped as you are in al Guardian / Beeb style half-truths and agenda-driven swill, you're actually quite a mundane and pedestrian asstard. You see most of what you've posted is old hat - rather ugly transparently foolish hat, actually - thoroughly debunked many times over. We get a fool of the same precise self-absorbed asinine persuasion at least once a week - you're passé, son, not special or authoritative - hell, not even interesting. Rantburg wasn't in stasis before you arrived, we've been there, and laughed at your variety of manufactured tripe many times before. Do fuck off.
Posted by: .com || 07/26/2005 8:36 Comments || Top||

#44  Hey leave the Brit bit out of this, he doesn't represent the Brits point of view. So wind ure neck in!
Posted by: Shistos Shistadogloo || 07/26/2005 8:38 Comments || Top||

#45  Lol. Ponce.

Rabid? Lol, again. You're merely boring and a bandwidth ass.

Yawn.
Posted by: .com || 07/26/2005 8:43 Comments || Top||

#46  Finally! The US Government controls the New York Times! Boy, I was worried GE might have a point or two. One only need wait long enough for the hysterical 'fact'. Goodbye, GE9235. Have a nice day.

Hey, maybe GE and MS are one in the same? Or just twin sons of different mothers ©?
Posted by: Bobby || 07/26/2005 8:43 Comments || Top||

#47  I know why "they" hate us. Because I hate you all! You socialists have 100,000,000 lives on your consciences during the last 100 years. Even if you add up all the bullshit propaganda estimates of US "killings" during the same time period, it only comes out to a small fraction of what you and your compatriots have murdered through action, inaction, or bad policy.

Now run along. There must be an AIDS quilt or an OXFAM meeting to attend somewhere.
Posted by: 11A5S || 07/26/2005 8:44 Comments || Top||

#48  Succinct, as always, .com. Although you skipped the "Why do they hate us," whine the youngster mentioned. (I assume he's a youngster, the grown-ups are too busy working just now in his part of the world.) But of course, we know why the poor things hate us, and we don't really care. Not even me, not even when I wax philosophical while pouring out the tea.
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/26/2005 8:45 Comments || Top||

#49  For some sad reason I read this entire thread.

But the conclusion by 11A5S (at the time I was reading) was worth it. Nice. :)

GE is one of those typical Leftist tools that knows all about America and it's evil plots and is so over the top that he's got to be a fake... except that he's not. Always demanding answers yet never providing any (let alone proof beyond accusations) of their own.

GE, do you realize that your raving makes you come across as a cartoon? You really think you are going to convince anybody here with your false facts and wild conspiracies? Take a look around this site. Buried in all the snarky commenting there's years of insightful commentary on world events that you could discuss in a rational manner (Civil, well-reasoned discourse, eh?).

Instead you stroll in here and start gibbering like one of those pink paper mache puppet making fools and are mystified that nobody takes your religion political rants seriously.

Here's just reason why: If one of us right-wing Iraqi-children-killer-types was to pull a gag on the others here, sounding exactly like you do is a goal we'd strive for (and likely fail to reach).

Think about it.
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats || 07/26/2005 8:45 Comments || Top||

#50  Perhaps you can tell us where some of these 290 grave sites containing 300,000 are?

In Iraq.

Asshat.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 07/26/2005 8:46 Comments || Top||

#51  .com. I bow down before the troll killing master. Shit, I thought I was good at this. Sigh!
Posted by: phil_b || 07/26/2005 8:49 Comments || Top||

#52  It's a team effort phil_b.
Posted by: 11A5S || 07/26/2005 8:50 Comments || Top||

#53  Airkill. PD. I count 27. 5 Unconfirmed.

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Posted by: half || 07/26/2005 8:53 Comments || Top||

#54  Tea sounds good, tw - I'll emulate your good taste, that is if you don't mind being emulated by a fascist turd, lol! Sorry about the "Why Do They Hate... Us" miss. I'll have to talk to Jeff to get that inserted or added as an addendum to the Moonbat Boilerplate.

11A5S - indeed, LotR's right - excellent post. Too bad GE hasn't the decency or intellectual capacity to tackle your substantive points...

Has anyone noticed anything new in GE's drivel? Just wondering. So much text, so little content.

Do learn some manners, GE - post the link only, no one is impressed with your quantity of drivel (old and stale, too, AFAICS). As I noted, we get a toolfool just like you regularly. I know it hurts to be told you're not special - that is a linchpin of your existence, your attitude makes that very clear, indeed. But 'tis so - you're just another ponce with worthless stale memery to peddle. So sorry.

And do fuck off.
Posted by: .com || 07/26/2005 8:56 Comments || Top||

#55  OK, I think we've just about exhausted the info value of this thread. GE, if you wanted to you could Google up a huge number of specific site locations for mass graves filled during Saddam's regime. The 300,000 number is validated by observer groups who aren't friends of the US or Coalition troop presence in Iraq. And Burgers, let's not waste Fred's bandwidth trying to oneup this jerk. He's obviously not interested in a real discussion, just wants to continue his solipcistic jerkoff.
Posted by: rkb || 07/26/2005 8:59 Comments || Top||

#56  That's right, EB, facists were responsible for the Russian Civil War (10 million), the Ukrainian terror famine (7 million), the Great Terror (7 million), the Great Leap Forward (50 million), all the failed socialist experiments in Africa and the Middle East (countless millions). Your paranoia would make Stalin blush.

And to use Leninist jargon, you're objectively responsible for every one of those deaths. By supporting socialist policies, you support the killing. Try to imagine 100,000,000 lives cut short tonight before you go to sleep. Start with the kids first. Innocent boys and girls. Smiling. Playing. Then one day the OGPU or red guards come to town and the terror starts. Hell, its better than counting sheep.

Oops, I think that the Code Pink meeting starts in about 15 minutes. Don't you think that you should get going? They let men in if you act sufficiently androgynous. Somehow I don't think that will be a problem for you.
Posted by: 11A5S || 07/26/2005 8:59 Comments || Top||

#57  I thought the Harold part was pretty good, if somewhat overly obvious.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 9:00 Comments || Top||

#58  Damn 11A5s is giving abu TrollSlicer a run for his money.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 9:02 Comments || Top||

#59  GE stated in post #68:
What a load of crap and what despicable ugly turds you really are.

then whinged in #72 about others turning to silly abuse whenever their arguments are trashed.

What a freakin hypocrite.
Posted by: docob || 07/26/2005 9:03 Comments || Top||

#60  Okay - one last moderator warning before I troll GE and delete this entire thread.

GE - produce something substantial in the way of links and facts or bugger off.

RB regulars - stop feeding the troll or poking him.
Posted by: rkb || 07/26/2005 9:03 Comments || Top||

#61  Alternate views of non-reality? Like the great dollar sell off of 2009? LOL.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 9:03 Comments || Top||

#62  Okay.
Be seeing you.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 9:04 Comments || Top||

#63  Hey, Grearong Elmurong9235, you gas-chamber loving Nazi filth, Germany withdrew from the League voluntarily in 1933, not that a vomit-brained genocide-loving thugga like you would know the difference.
Posted by: Ernest Brown || 07/26/2005 9:04 Comments || Top||

#64  Ship, GE brought out the infantryman in me this morning. Bye all.
Posted by: 11A5S || 07/26/2005 9:05 Comments || Top||

#65  I'd be delighted to pour you a cup, .com. Milk, sugar, lemon? Or are you a "Don't dilute the caffein," type? You have such charming manners when you choose, and you tell such interesting stories of your adventures! May I offer anyone else a cup, while I'm pouring? RKB, you'll want a cuppa before deleting the nonsense, I imagine, yes?
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/26/2005 9:06 Comments || Top||

#66  Mr Gollum

Before you return to read your facts and your truth in the Pravda or in its idelogicaklly akin Der Sturmer let me tell you an old Spanish motto: "Tell me with who you are walking and I will tell you who you are". And you walk with muderers, slavists, genociders and racists. They could be disguised as left but they still are murderers, slavists, genociders and racists.

And let me tell you another thing: when you support a Saddam or a Pol Pot, when you prolong his stay in power, when you merely touch his hand you get blood in yours. Your hands are full of blood.
Posted by: JFM || 07/26/2005 9:06 Comments || Top||

#67  Brave? First rabid, now brave? Where are you getting your inane ideas? You're a simple twit troll, nothing more and certainly nothing special - unless we're talking about short-bus speshul... There, I'm afraid, you'd have me.

If I could get in your face physically, well then, we could talk of such things as rabid and brave - before I pulled your plug. But you're just pulling you pud here in this venue - and pulling characterizations out of your ass.

Bugger off - is that more in line with what you want me to say?

Sorry, rkb, I'm done.
Posted by: .com || 07/26/2005 9:07 Comments || Top||

#68  You can't find them either Crawford.

Well, no. That's because I'm not in Iraq.

However, there are others there. Here's a PDF map of located sites. It's an older map, from 2004, but the numbers have only gone up.

Robert Alt visited Iraq, and when he was there visited one of the mass grave sites:

In Hillah on Friday I met with representatives of several human rights organizations operating in the area. Muhannad Al-Dolaimy, the general prosecutor and director of the Human Rights Association, explained how Saddam’s Deputy, Taha Yasin Ramadan, paid 300 Iraqi Dinars for each Shia a local sheik would bring to be tortured and killed. Far from disavowing the actions of the sheik, Saddam appeared on television with him, and thanked him for his efforts in putting down the 1991 Shia uprising. Despite some recent claims that the number of mass graves is less than expected, the groups continue to find mass graves, and have not been able to continue the exhumation process at the previous pace due to a lack of funding.

There are seven confirmed mass grave sites in the Hillah/Babyl area, from which approximately 25,000 bodies have been discovered. On Saturday, I visited the mass grave at Mahaweel, where 3,000 bodies have been unearthed.


Stop denying Saddam's holocaust.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 07/26/2005 9:07 Comments || Top||

#69  Yep, rkb, I agree this thread has no value, except to demonstrate the Left's complete detatchment from reality. I'd vote to kill it.
Posted by: phil_b || 07/26/2005 9:09 Comments || Top||

#70  Can this troll. It's well past the expiration date.
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats || 07/26/2005 9:10 Comments || Top||

#71  Yes, thank you TW. No cream, please. Has this thread finally died or do I need to put it out of its misery?
Posted by: rkb || 07/26/2005 9:10 Comments || Top||

#72  Deal me in too, TW, if I may be so bold. No sugar, just a touch of milk.
Posted by: docob || 07/26/2005 9:12 Comments || Top||

#73  GE's gone. Next person who insists on chiming in with more abuse towards him, after this is visible to you all, also goes.

Posted by: rkb || 07/26/2005 9:14 Comments || Top||

#74  I'm done - thanx, rkb.

And thanks for the fine posts, folks, even if GE didn't bother to read them, they were good reminders for the next tool who wanders in thinking itself The Messiah - peddling ancient MSM memes of BDS and failed ideologies. It's kinda fun, once you get your hobnail boots on, no?

:-)
Posted by: .com || 07/26/2005 9:16 Comments || Top||

#75  I'm sorry, Grearong Elmurong9235, that's a story you don't get until you've completed Professor RKB's assignment. I'm afraid you've a bit of studying to do before you're qualified to sit at my table. But others have managed, so I imagine you can, too.

Feel free to take your tea with you to the library... I'm using the everyday china today.
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/26/2005 9:16 Comments || Top||

#76  So we let the leftists hide their hatred, lies, and bile?

GE's a holocaust denier, like much of the modern left. Let the light shine on them, and let them feel the heat.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 07/26/2005 9:18 Comments || Top||

#77  Sorry, rkb, I didn't see that you'd dumped the rude child before I posted. Please don't block me, too -- I couldn't bear it! ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/26/2005 9:18 Comments || Top||

#78  Not a problem, TW. And I don't have a problem with those on the Left coming to RB and challenging the consensus opinion here -- provided they do it with facts, links and a tolerably low level of ad hominem .

I'll throw my 2 cents in here on one point GE kept hitting. The decision to invade Iraq is not one we should take lightly. I supported the move and still do but let's not be cavalier about the downsides even as we continue to insist that there were very good and pressing reasons for it.
Posted by: rkb || 07/26/2005 9:22 Comments || Top||

#79  I agree with RC - I'm sorry to see the comments sequence lost. I intended to reread the thread at leisure (it's awfully early out here, lol) and better absorb some of the excellent points made.

I found this one reminiscent of someone from long ago - and I mean at least 2 yrs ago... can't recall the nym it used, damnit, lol! Brit. Amazingly arrogrant poofta.
Posted by: .com || 07/26/2005 9:26 Comments || Top||

#80  I'll check with Fred to see if there's a way for me to ban a troll from further posting without deleting his existing comments.
Posted by: rkb || 07/26/2005 9:28 Comments || Top||

#81  Aw TW don't worry, the Sinktraps is a RB rite of passage, like going from a slimy wog to a real shellback.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 9:28 Comments || Top||

#82  I remember this sucker too.... But I'm not certain it was from, maybe it was when I was a young green lizoid.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 9:31 Comments || Top||

#83  Well...

Gulf War I was never ended, only a ceasefire

17 UNSC resolutions were ignored - including one with teeth

the UN Inspectors were only allowed back in when Dubya had accumulated 70,000+ troops in the Gulf - Saddam had laughed up his sleeve for 12 yrs until that occurred

pre-emption had been made a policy option due to the lethality of weapons

WMD's weren't the only thing we wanted to be certain of

Bush Doctrine asserted that the ME might be turned away from self-destruction through democratization

---

But all of this requires one to stop and think, and GE was having none of that. Those are my first blush responses to your seeming unease with the "illegal war" bullshit.

Those that grant legality to the UN must accept that the UN sanctioned the war - Dubya took great pains, wasted a LOT of time, but checked off all of the boxes.
Posted by: .com || 07/26/2005 9:34 Comments || Top||

#84  Looks like I missed the party.
Posted by: DragonFly || 07/26/2005 9:36 Comments || Top||

#85  why the MS fascination with Jihad Unspun? Their lies are not a disclosure of "secrets of what the insurgents are thinking", rather it is all- antiamerican lies all the time. Post it once a week to demonstrate the stupid lies the arab populace may be hearing , anything else is Mike Sylwester - rolling in sick fantasies of dead Americans.
Posted by: Frank G || 07/26/2005 9:37 Comments || Top||

#86  Boy this thread was extremely invigorating, I'm Glad to see the Left succumb in a pool of it's own filth......proud to be a Shellback on the right side of the Idealogical Fence!
Posted by: Janos Hunyadi || 07/26/2005 9:39 Comments || Top||

#87  Lol, I'm afraid the rest of the day will be something of a letdown, now...

I haven't been to bed, yet - it's not quite 7:00 AM here - that's what I intended to do when I saw the explosion of posts. Now I guess I can grab a few hours. Nite all, lol!
Posted by: .com || 07/26/2005 9:47 Comments || Top||

#88  Come out come out wherever you are little GE!? We do so enjoy dissecting abnormally small rodent brains like yours. We'll get to the "Root Cause" of your particular sickness, feel your pain, and cure you leaving no visible marks or scars.
Posted by: MunkarKat || 07/26/2005 10:05 Comments || Top||

#89  Munkrat - read my warning in #114 above.

A) Stop kicking GE when he can't respond. And no I don't care if you find it fun - stop it.

B) Stop wasting Fred's bandwidth on this one.
Posted by: rkb || 07/26/2005 10:15 Comments || Top||

#90  I wish you wouldn't delete the troll vomitus so quickly; those of us in the mid-pacific timezone need a laugh too.
Posted by: Spolush Floluper6722 || 07/26/2005 14:59 Comments || Top||

#91  A factual correction: The best estimate of the deaths of Iraqi children in the decade of the sanctions is 100,000 not 500,000. A small amount of googling will reveal this. For those for whom distinctions are important, i.e. those not engaging in Agitprop, the sanctions INDIRECTLY and PARTIALLY CONTRIBUTED TO the deaths. The list of possible non-sanction causes is long. For those for whom moral distinctions are important, the deaths were UNINTENDED and UNFORESEEN consequences of what was essentially a PACIFIST alternative to war. Of course humility demands that when dealing with obscure phenomena such as this, we remember that no one really knows how many people, if any, died because of the sanctions.
Posted by: jolly roger || 07/26/2005 15:10 Comments || Top||

#92  I'll defend Mike this one time. Posting excerpts from Jihad Unspun is like posting transcripts of Tokyo Rose, Lord Haw-Haw, or Pravda excerpts at the height of the Cold War. Sometimes good for a laugh, and once glimpse into the ememy propaganda mindset.
Posted by: Pappy || 07/26/2005 16:19 Comments || Top||

#93  two or three times a day, Pappy?
Posted by: Frank G || 07/26/2005 16:36 Comments || Top||

#94  Okay I'll go for that Pappy, maybe a little inline commentary to show contrast? A little comment to begin the thread? That's not the reason it's here. It's anger, anger at being put aside way before due, anger at the goings on in Dallas, the Martian coverup, the lack of a decent retirement plant. DAMMIT PAY ATTENTION TO ME I SHOULD HAVE BEEN A .. ummm never mind.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 16:36 Comments || Top||

#95  As to sanctions try here.
Posted by: Crans Thaling7071 || 07/26/2005 17:27 Comments || Top||

#96  I believe that Mikey never puts substantive inline commentary into his posted articles to be telling. He lives in the gray zone, where nuances can be argued interminably. Much patience and tooth-pulling is required to figure out precisely what tiny nit or microscopic hair Mikey wishes to split. Interminably. Pointless comes to mind when I see a Mikey post. Pointless to read it, pointless to try to divine why it was posted, and pointless to try to determine what position, with uber-nuanced dimensions, Mikey will take on some tiny nearly irrelevant aspect of the story that caught his fancy and prompted the post. Only one continuous thread runs throughout Mikey's posts: they all share a strong element of "the US is to blame for [insert favorite dementia here]".

*flush*
Posted by: .com || 07/26/2005 17:44 Comments || Top||

#97  "I was very nearly deployed to Saudi Arabia as a medic"

LMAO - is that supposed to give the writer bona fides in your world?

Try talking to people who were actually THERE. And not some remf medic or fiel clerc. Talk to the trigger pullers. We *saw* what Saddam was doing. Especially at the end when our hands were tied by ROE and there was f**k-all we could do about Saddam's thugs running rampant just across the allowable line of engagement.

Until you've helped pull a kid out of a car, covered in his mothers blood (from Saddam's thugs bullets), plugging the wound in his thigh until a medic can get to him...

Well, lets jsut say you dont have the same level of credibility when talking about empathy for the Iraqi people. The best we could have done is not cancelled our orders to march up the Euphrates right then and there, and fixed this problem before the hooligans and thugs in the Baath party were given the keys to the palace again. Iraq now can be seen as a belated effort to finish the job we started back in 91, bringing justice and freedom to the region.


Posted by: OldSpook || 07/26/2005 17:47 Comments || Top||

#98  And I'll beleive in a genuine mea culpa from that writer at the link when/if I see him produce a ganuine unvarnished history of the Baath party and its murderous, pathologically evil rule of Iraq.

As for Isaiah quotes (liek the one in his article), I and others like me use a different one:

Isaiah 6:8

And I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?" Then I said, "Here am I! Send me."

I volunteered and went.
Posted by: OldSpook || 07/26/2005 17:59 Comments || Top||

#99  I believe that Mikey never puts substantive inline commentary into his posted articles to be telling. He lives in the gray zone, where nuances can be argued interminably.

For the record, I can count on one hand the number of times I've put inline commentary in my posts. Maybe it's the old editor in me, but I'm not all that witty and I'd rather let the reader draw their own conclusions.

That said, Mr. S.'s let's-poke-between-the-bars- of-the-cage-and-walk-away-when-something-snarls does get wearisome.
Posted by: Pappy || 07/26/2005 20:49 Comments || Top||

#100  well, to date, approximately twice the US population has been put to death in vicious manner by the Iraqi heroes....The sheer scale of his repetitous posts of Arab lies belies any innocent explanation. I'll say it : MS = traitorous scum, with a litany of undercutting support for a righteous and national-security-serving action with the intent of damaging the administration and America. F&*k his Jihad Unspun lies
Posted by: Frank G || 07/26/2005 20:57 Comments || Top||

#101  Few can say it like you, Frank!

MS, are you paying attention?
We can see your bias a mile away.
(Jihad Unspun--pathetic!)
Perhaps you'd be more comfortable posting with your little friends over at DU and not here.
Posted by: Jennie Taliaferro || 07/26/2005 21:28 Comments || Top||

#102  "You really do hate the U.S. military, don't you?"

I wonder why, could it be the fact that the USA invaded a country to steal the natural resources and in doing so have so far killed over 123,000 Iraqis.
Or perhaps could it be that the USA refused to release the vindictive sanctions which killed over 500,000 Iraqi children. Madeline Albright thought that was "worth it".
Or perhaps it could be that the USA has financed Israeli terrorism for the last 50 years.
Hard to believe anyone could hate America isn't it?
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 3:38 Comments || Top||

#103  Valentine you are missing point, presuming of course you are capable of getting it. The reason for the invasion was to control the world's second largest reserves of oil, boost production and undercut OPEC, thereby reducing oil prices. It hasn't worked of course because Iraqi oil is routinely sabotaged.
Only an total idiot would believe the US spent $200 billion due to concerns of Iraqi's wellbeing.
For those total morons amongst you, and it seems like a majority on this form, who argue it wasn't worth it, read this;
"In the past, dependence on oil has cost our economy dearly. Oil price shocks and price manipulation by the OPEC cartel from 1979 to 1991 cost the U.S. economy about $4 trillion, almost as much as we spent on national defense over the same time period and more than the interest payments on the national debt. Each major price shock of the past three decades was followed by an economic recession in the United States. With growing U.S. imports and increasing world dependence on OPEC oil, future price shocks are possible and would be costly to the U.S. economy."
(Source: U.S. Department of Energy, Spring 2002.)

Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 5:46 Comments || Top||

#104  Language Timothy!!!
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 5:59 Comments || Top||

#105  Trailing Wife.
Venezuela is of course a member of OPEC, but if you can influence OPEC price, and OPEC supplies about 50% of USA's oil requirements, you also control the Mexican and Canadian prices too.
Venezuela now seems more interested in supplying China and giving cut price deals to other S. American countries than continuing supplies to the USA. It's totally impossible for Canada and Mexico to supply all of the USA's requirements.
Someday you guys are going to have to admit you are wrong, but then again that would be an admission that you are fools.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 6:39 Comments || Top||

#106  killed over 123,000 Iraqis.Bullshit. That's complete bullshit.

Yes you are right, it's 128,000.
http://www.edstrong.blog-city.com/iraq_roundup_138000_killed_since_2003_us_military_facing_def.htm
128,000 Iraqis Killed By US Occupation Since 2003

An Iraqi humanitarian organization that follows the human rights situation in the country announced on Monday morning that the number of Iraqis killed since the US occupation of Iraq has now topped 128,000
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 6:41 Comments || Top||

#107  "OK, I'm going to start on a schtick that has been bugging me for a while. The reality is the rest of the world 'free rides' on many things the USA does."

The reality is that the USA is living on borrowed time and borrowed money and has been for a very long time.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 6:43 Comments || Top||

#108  "The reality is that the USA is protecting the world's oil supply in Iraq, even though it is way down the list of beneficiaries. Beware of what you wish for, you may get it."

Another funny view of reality, protecting it from what exactly? It didn't need protecting until the illegal invasion kicked off.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 6:45 Comments || Top||

#109  Don't count on it Harold. Certainly gradual moves are already underway by your trusted allies, such as China, Russia and Saudi, to move away from the US$ to something more reliable.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 6:55 Comments || Top||

#110  "Illegal War? Brussels angry? Kofi in a kilter? So what. Your type is powerless."

I'm sure the Germans made similar comments in 1939 when they were kicked out of the League of Nations. But I've never found arrogance endearing or to be enduring.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 6:57 Comments || Top||

#111  Phil did I mention an interruption of oil supply from the ME? Why is this board just a mutual agreement society for rapid right wingers in denial of reality?
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 6:59 Comments || Top||

#112  Devalue the buck and who gets the burn?

Cost of imports to the USA increases and value of US exports fall, increasing your already unsustainable deficit. USA interest rates rise, unemployment increases, inflation increases.
The world's different place than it was even 10 years ago. The world doesn't need the USA, the USA needs the world but frankly right now it's unlikely to get much sympathy.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 7:03 Comments || Top||

#113  True foreign holders need to dump the dollar slowly Harold, but the value of the dollar depends on the demand for the US dollar. The US Treasury doesn't have any control on that except by increasing interest rates dramatically or by buying the US$ with foreign currency reserves, but that's only a temporary measure.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 7:08 Comments || Top||

#114  Do I have a website Dave, if so it's news to me. can you give me the link.
Homosexual parties? It seems many rabid right winger bat for the other side, some even have sex with mules it seems.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 7:10 Comments || Top||

#115  It was not an American bomb who killed the 390 children the other day, it was an Islamo-nazi bomb.

I think it's important to remember that there would be no casualties in Iraq right now if it hadn't been for the illegal invasion. But in any case your example is rather minute compared with the fire bombing of Falluja. Who exactly are the Nazis supposed to be, perhaps we should review the reports from Abu Graib to answer that one.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 7:13 Comments || Top||

#116  It's repeated on many websites Dave, that's simply the first one I came across.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 7:18 Comments || Top||

#117  Yes Dave I prefer facts to fantasies and one can hardly rely on Fox News for those can we?
Bottom line is though the US isn't doing body counts as required under the Geneva Convention so they can hardly complain about attempt by others to do so. This 128,000 is in line with the report last year around Aug that the figure was around 100,000, but that was before the genocide at Falluja.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 7:24 Comments || Top||

#118  "Rantburg-Civil well-reasoned discourse".

Hmmm. When was that dropped?
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 7:29 Comments || Top||

#119  See #45 wanker.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 7:32 Comments || Top||

#120  Correct Harold.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 7:45 Comments || Top||

#121  It was computer generated but quite cute don't you think? Has Rantburg always been right wing like this or have you guys simply driven rational thinkers away with all this childish, personal stuff?
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 7:48 Comments || Top||

#122  English jokes "Trailing Wife". Now which mass graves are you looking for? The 500,000 Iraqi children killed by vindictive sanctions by the USA refusing to release them? 110,000 Iraqis killed in Colin Powell's "Turkey Shoot"? Or the 123,000 killed by the oil invasion?
If you are looking for 400,000 from Saddam's time I feel you may be out of luck.

PM admits graves claim 'untrue'
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1263830,00.html

Peter Beaumont, foreign affairs editor
Sunday July 18, 2004
The Observer

Downing Street has admitted to The Observer that repeated claims by Tony Blair that '400,000 bodies had been found in Iraqi mass graves' is untrue, and only about 5,000 corpses have so far been uncovered.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 8:01 Comments || Top||

#123  Fourth Geneva Convention, Article 4: ‘Persons protected by the Convention’. ii) Therefore, the Occupying power- which is a Coalition under the operational control of a US Army General- ‘shall establish an official Information Bureau responsible for receiving and transmitting information in respect of the protected persons who are in its power.’ Furthermore, the occupying power shall ‘require its various departments concerned with such matters to provide the aforesaid Bureau promptly with information concerning all changes pertaining to these protected persons’ including especially ‘admittances to hospitals, births and deaths.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 8:06 Comments || Top||

#124  JFM the US Army constantly uses racist terms against Iraqi civilians. Torture is being carried out in Iraq now either by US forces or by the Iraqi police/Army on US instructions. The USA doesn't care whether Iraq is democratic, it's just there to steal natural resources. Iraq is a far worse place to live in than before the illegal oil invasion.
You are totally delusional if you think otherwise.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 8:16 Comments || Top||

#125  Do you mean the US Companies listed below? I think you are confusing the legal trading of oil for food by France, Germany, Russia etc with the trading of arms by the USA. Of course the USA as a member of the Security Council was able to oversee all trading done by Iraq and of course it was the USA who had the military naval capacity to police it.
As far as mass graves go, there can be little doubt that the USA has killed far more Iraqis in the last 15 years than Saddam is ever allegedly done. Most of the casualties during Saddam's time occurred during the Iranian/Iraqi war for which the USA supplied both with poisonous gas.

U.S. corporations involved...

A - nuclear K - chemical B - biological R - rockets (missiles)

1) Honeywell (R,K)

2) Spektra Physics (K)

3) Semetex (R)

4) TI Coating (A,K)

5) UNISYS (A,K)

6) Sperry Corp. (R,K)

7) Tektronix (R,A)

8) Rockwell )(K)

9) Leybold Vacuum Systems (A)

10) Finnigan-MAT-US (A)

11) Hewlett Packard (A.R,K)

12) Dupont (A)

13) Eastman Kodak (R)

14) American Type Culture Collection (B)

15) Alcolac International (C)

16) Consarc (A)

17) Carl Zeis -U.Ss (K)

18) Cerberus (LTD) (A)

19) Electronic Assiciates (R)

20) International Computer Systems

21) Bechtel (K)

22) EZ Logic Data Systems,Inc. (R)

23) Canberra Industries Inc. (A)

24) Axel Electronics Inc. (A)

Additionally to these 24 companies based in the US, are nearly 50 subsidiaries of foreign enterprises whose arms co-operation with Iraq seems to have been operated from the US. In addition, Ministries for defense, energy, trade, and agriculture, as well as the foremost U.S. nuclear weapons laboratories at Lawrence Livermore. Los Alamos, and Sandia, are designated as suppliers for the Iraqi arms programs for A, B, and C-weapons as well as for rockets.

Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 8:23 Comments || Top||

#126  Yes I've seen yours also Crawford it contains the usual unconfirmed propaganda coming out of the White House and sent to news agencies all over the world.Perhaps you can tell us where some of these 290 grave sites containing 300,000 are?
Well we are on this subject too, the industrial human shredders, taking babies out of incubators, besides the generally accepted WMD, links with terrorism etc are all crap too.
Good old George, repeat lies often enough and people accept them as facts and even when they realise they've been fooled, they continue with the lie rather than look foolish.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 8:31 Comments || Top||

#127  "You're so fucking stupid that you can't see the contradictions in your own arguments. So what is worse? Us starving 500,000 Iraqi kids or us killing 128,000 Iraqis through direct action. Oh shit, I'm sorry. Its always our fucking fault! Kids die in third world shithole?"

The point though imbecile is that they were not dying before the sanctions. The USA knew that they were killing kids and didn't give a damn. Now we are expected to believe they invaded Iraq for the benefit of Iraqis. What a load of crap and what despicable ugly turds you really are.
"Why do they all hate us", I have to laugh every time I hear this.

Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 8:36 Comments || Top||

#128  "I suggest a forum where the idiot quotient is higher. There are many out there."

There can't be another any better in that regard than this one. Americans are so stupid and dumb, that's probably why you chose your President, it's makes every feel normal.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 8:38 Comments || Top||

#129  I always see rabid right wingers like .com turning to silly abuse whenever their arguments are trashed. Would you prefer it if I went away so you could just exchange your delusions?
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 8:39 Comments || Top||

#130  Hey leave the Brit bit out of this, he doesn't represent the Brits point of view.

I rather think I do Shistos, we are not all Tony Blairs thank god.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 8:41 Comments || Top||

#131  You are so funny .com, is that the best you can do? What a sad little turd you are.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 8:44 Comments || Top||

#132  Actually it's fascist like you have caused most deaths.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 8:45 Comments || Top||

#133  You can't find them either Crawford.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 8:48 Comments || Top||

#134  Well Lawrence I've tried discussing facts rather than fantasies with these poor deluded fools, but it seems as soon as their arguments are trashed they turn to personal abuse and they are not even very good at that.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 8:52 Comments || Top||

#135  Of course you could just pull my plug, that's about the only way you can win.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 8:55 Comments || Top||

#136  Brave talk .com, censorship seems quite common in all aspects of the American media now as of course it was in Nazi Germany. You don't like hearing alternate views do you? Is that why you use this silly, childish verbal abuse all the time? Do you actually have a brain?
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 9:00 Comments || Top||

#137  Yes you were good Harold.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 9:01 Comments || Top||

#138  I think it was your lot 11A that caused the deaths of 30 million in WW11, not forgetting Vietnam of course. But extremes of all kind are bad, whether they are Communist or fascist like yourself. I prefer the centre ground.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 9:04 Comments || Top||

#139  You're the Nazi Saturn, I'm not supporting an extreme right wing Government intent on death, destruction, invading a country on false pretences or torturing people. that's you, remember?
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 9:06 Comments || Top||

#140  Thank you Trailing Wife, I prefer my tea the traditional way. Why are you "trailing" by the way?
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 9:08 Comments || Top||

#141  Even if that were true Crawford, the number pales into insignificance compared to the number of Iraqis killed by the USA.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 9:10 Comments || Top||

#142  Well you are brave .com , that is behind a computer keyboard, but not in real life I'll wager. Cruddy little fascists like you never are.
Posted by: Grearong Elmurong9235 || 07/26/2005 9:12 Comments || Top||

#143  OK I'm back where were we?
Posted by: Pholuque Threreth9564 || 07/26/2005 10:31 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Shoot-at-sight orders in Gilgit
GILGIT: Northern Areas Inspector General (IG) of Police Sarmad Saeed Khan has said that militants and terrorists in Gilgit will be shot on sight. A regional weekly paper called Naqqara on Monday quoted the IG as saying that a handful of terrorists had taken the whole population hostage and the time had come to deal with them. The paper said the IG's shoot on sight order was applicable to illegal gunrunners, terrorists and arsonists and he appealed to locals to cooperate with police to eliminate anti-state elements. The paper quoted the IG as saying that the sectarian tendency in the Northern Areas police had decreased to a satisfactory level.
Posted by: Fred || 07/26/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Shoot-on-sight practices are a hot topic. Seattle has hired an Israeli general to train the police service in counter suicide bomber tactics.
www.komotv.com/stories/38161.htm
A few weeks ago a man who said he had a bomb was shot to death in front of a Seattle courthouse. A couple of days ago, a "North African man" entered City Hall with a bag with "ALLAH IS GREAT" written on the side. He is lucky he didn't try that at London City Hall.
Posted by: Vlad the Muslim Impaler || 07/26/2005 1:30 Comments || Top||

#2  Any idiot walking into a building and claiming he has a bomb should be shot on sight! We just can't take the risk anymore to handle morons delicately. Just think of it as bleach in the gene pool. ;)
Posted by: mmurray821 || 07/26/2005 4:19 Comments || Top||

#3  It's all the rage in London, baby. Yeah!
Posted by: Howard UK || 07/26/2005 5:40 Comments || Top||

#4  70 grenades,sheesh!
Posted by: raptor || 07/26/2005 6:11 Comments || Top||

#5  oops,supposed to go on next article.
Posted by: raptor || 07/26/2005 6:25 Comments || Top||

#6  Nay, just take a little off the leg or arm for me. People are dying to get on the tube.
Posted by: Captain America || 07/26/2005 7:47 Comments || Top||

#7  but don't get carried away on that trip of a lifetime.
Posted by: Captain America || 07/26/2005 7:48 Comments || Top||

#8  Would a moderate moose limb have "Allah is pretty darned good" on the side of his bag? Just asking.
Posted by: eLarson || 07/26/2005 8:58 Comments || Top||

#9  A few weeks ago a man who said he had a bomb was shot to death in front of a Seattle courthouse

link for this, please
Posted by: too true || 07/26/2005 9:07 Comments || Top||

#10  eLarson, a moderate dune loon would blow himself up in Israel, the land of our Zionist masters, not in a civilized country like ours.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 07/26/2005 9:13 Comments || Top||

#11  LOL eLarson. Took me 2 passes.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 9:14 Comments || Top||

#12  he's a subtle one, Ship, almost Spemble-like. I like it
Posted by: Frank G || 07/26/2005 9:28 Comments || Top||

#13  Indeedy Frank, someone who could understand the upcoming Battle of Purgatory between Tony the Tiger and Mohammed.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/26/2005 10:50 Comments || Top||

#14  "They are placed beyond society, to be treated as wolves are. They may be killed without consequence by any man's hand."
Posted by: mojo || 07/26/2005 11:38 Comments || Top||

#15  They are placed beyond society, to be treated as wolves are.

Oh, great. So they are a protected species now?
Posted by: Jackal || 07/26/2005 14:39 Comments || Top||

#16  Link to seattle court shooting. It was a dummy grenade, not a bomb.
Posted by: Pappy || 07/26/2005 16:03 Comments || Top||


India kills 5 'infiltrators' in Kashmir
Indian troops shot dead five armed infiltrators crossing the de facto Kashmir border from Pakistan, the army said on Monday. Soldiers launched an operation Sunday night after the suspected Islamist gunmen were spotted in the mountainous Machil area in the north of Indian-held Kashmir. Five AK-47 rifles, two grenade launchers, 70 grenades, two radio sets and a large quantity of ammunition were recovered from the bodies, an army spokesman said. India's new army chief in Kashmir says the Pakistani army knows that militants are crossing from Pakistani Kashmir to the Indian zone to join an insurgency against New Delhi's rule. "I am quite certain that they (Pakistani troops) are not unaware of this infiltration. But what active support they are giving to the infiltration, it is difficult for me to tell you," Lieutenant General SS Dhillon said last week.
Posted by: Fred || 07/26/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Only "5"? Their quota is 50 per day
Posted by: Vlad the Muslim Impaler || 07/26/2005 1:35 Comments || Top||


3 suspects detained for Gilgit bombing
GILGIT: Police have arrested three people for alleged connections with the bombing at a journalist's house in Gilgit, sources said on Monday. On Sunday night, unidentified men threw three bombs at the house of Khurshid Ahmed, Gilgit Press Club president, and fled. However, no casualties were reported. The police arrested Hasamuddin, Fida Naseeruddin on Sunday.
Posted by: Fred || 07/26/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


Bomb attack wounds Afghan cleric
A bomb blast in eastern Afghanistan has wounded a leading Islamic cleric, who has spoken out against the ousted hardline Taliban regime on local radio. Cleric Maulawi Mohammad Daud Waqafi has sustained leg injuries in the blast at the gate of his home near the town of Khost, some 150 kilometres (94 miles) south-east of the capital. "Waqafi was hosting a religious radio program," provincial intelligence official Naqeebullah Asmati said. "He was preaching against Taliban policies." The cleric was taken to a coalition military base for treatment.

Waqafi's local radio colleague Mohammad Ghafoor Mohibi told AFP the mullah had been warned by Taliban militants to stop broadcasting critical comments before he was targeted. A spate of attacks against clerics who back President Hamid Karzai's administration started in late May, when Maulvi Abdullah Fayyaz was gunned down in the southern province of Kandahar, a former Taliban stronghold.
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Iraq-Jordan
Car bombs kill eight in Baghdad
Two suicide car bombers struck police checkpoints in separate attacks in Baghdad on Monday morning, killing at least eight people. At 7:15am local time, a suicide bomber struck Ansour Square, near an entrance to the heavily fortified Green Zone compound, killing at least two policemen and wounding 11. An hour earlier, another suicide bomber targeted the Al-Sadeer Hotel in central Baghdad, which is used by foreign security personnel. The bomber exploded a car at the gates to the hotel, killed six and wounding 16 people, mainly security guards. The hotel has been bombed in the past.

The attacks came less than 24 hours after a massive truck bombing outside a police station in the south-east of the capital that killed 27 people, many of them policemen. Thirty-three people were wounded.
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Africa: Horn
AU affirms rebels' violation of ceasefire agreement
The Sudanese government was assured by the African Union (AU) that Darfur rebels have violated the ceasefire by opening fire on the military envoy, Foreign Minister Mostafa Othman Ismael said here on Monday. Speaking at a news conference, Ismael said the AU's representative here told him that the rebels opened fire at the Sudanese military envoy. The representative also said that he has some information that prove that incident, but the African Union is currently investigating the attack further.

The Sudanese government and rebel groups traded charges yesterday on violating the previously-signed ceasefire agreement last April. The rebel Sudan Liberation Movement accused government troops backed by helicopters, of bombing villages in south Darfur on Friday and Sunday.
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Sudanese military men killed in helicopter crash
The Sudanese military announced on Monday that 19 military personnel were killed in a helicopter crash over Darfur's regional capital of Niyala. Military spokesperson said the M-17 helicopter crashed when it was in an administrative mission. It was heading to Al-Leait Jar Al-Nabi region in southern Darfur. Possibility of the crash would be bad weather after failed attempts to land, the spokesman said. The helicopter hit the ground, causing the death of the crew, including three officers, one technician and 15 passengers.
Posted by: Fred || 07/26/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of guyz (/sarcasm off/)
Posted by: BA || 07/26/2005 8:59 Comments || Top||

#2  Let's go smoke some janjaweed.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 07/26/2005 9:15 Comments || Top||

#3  "administrative mission", "passengers"....hope their remains were "eaten"
Posted by: Frank G || 07/26/2005 9:38 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Balad attack kills US soldier, injures two others
One Task Force Liberty soldier was killed and two were wounded during an indirect fire attack on a Coalition Forces base near Balad, northern Baghdad, at about 3:30 pm yesterday, the Multi National Forces in Iraq stated. One wounded soldier was taken to a Coalition Forces medical treatment facility while the other was treated and returned to duty, the statement said. The name of the deceased soldier is being withheld pending notification of next of kin.
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Africa: North
Egypt Seeks Pakistanis in Probe
Egypt said yesterday it was looking for six Pakistani men suspected of having links to Saturday’s multiple explosions in this Red Sea resort. Investigators have sent photographs of the six to police stations in Sinai and checkpoints on the road to Cairo. Police named five of them as Mohammad Anwar, 30, Rashid Ali, 26, Mohammad Akhtar, 30, Tasadduq Hussein, 18, and Mohammad Arif, 36.

“The six Pakistanis were staying at a hotel in Maadi called Cairo Tel and their passports were fake... They arrived in Sharm El-Sheikh almost on the same day of the arrival of two pickup trucks that were used in the bombings, which is July 5,” said an official connected with the probe. “We think that one of the Pakistanis was killed in the attacks. But we can confirm that only after we are done with the DNA tests,” he added.

Khaled Arafa, an Interior Ministry official, said investigators were trying to find out if there was a link between the Pakistanis and the attacks. “At the moment we are still investigating if they have a direct or an indirect link to the bombings but we don’t think that they carried out the attacks themselves because the explosive materials were smuggled through Taba mountains and only Bedouins know these areas quite well,” Arafa told Arab News.

An official at the Pakistan Embassy in Cairo said his embassy was in contact with Egyptian authorities over the issue of the missing Pakistanis. “But they have not officially informed us that the Pakistanis are suspected of involvement in the bombing. They are only saying: ‘We are searching for them. We cannot trace them,’” said Khalid Ahmed, a counselor at the Pakistani mission. “It is very difficult for us to confirm whether any Pakistani was in Sharm El-Sheikh but it is possible that someone may have been there. I have a strong belief that Pakistanis cannot be involved in terrorism here.”
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