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2010-03-14 Home Front: Politix

President Obama to unveil education plan Monday

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Posted by Fred 2010-03-14 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11131 views ] Top

#1 a goal of having all graduating students prepared "for college and a career

How about a law giving every American a college diploma at the age of 21?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2010-03-14 03:08|| 2010-03-14 03:08|| Front Page Top

#2 Bold talk for a man who carefully shrouds his own academic record and achievements.

Posted by Besoeker 2010-03-14 04:27|| 2010-03-14 04:27|| Front Page Top

#3 Consistent talk, if the aim is to check a diploma box rather than compete effectively against countries where diplomas are earned.

Posted by lotp 2010-03-14 06:47|| 2010-03-14 06:47|| Front Page Top

#4 Another immense waste of money and destruction of valuable resources to reward his union buddies. Unrealistic, unaffordable and unattainable goals are the hallmarks of any liberal progressive program. Not every child should go to college. Not every child who should go has the maturity to benefit. Not all careers require college. College careers may not be the most rewarding for the average student.

This will be a call to roll back NCLB and teacher accountability. The students at the bottom will suffer most and become the new ignorant puppets of the party of demagoguery.

This will not prevent the bursting of the big ed bubble.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2010-03-14 07:47|| 2010-03-14 07:47|| Front Page Top

#5 The "Scarecrow Rule". The wizard of Oz to the Scarecrow, "You don't need and Education. All you need is a Diploma!".

Posted by Deacon Blues 2010-03-14 09:12|| 2010-03-14 09:12|| Front Page Top

#6 Zero should pack it in on his plans and adopt the following plan to get this country moving again:

Robin Williams here's one plan:

1) The US will apologize to the world for our "interference" in their affairs, past & present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Tojo, Noriega, Milosevic, Hussein, and the rest of those 'good ole boys,' We will never "interfere" again.

2) We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany, South Korea, the Middle East, and the Philippines. They don't want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one allowed sneaking though holes in the fence.

3) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and leave. We'll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of who or where they're..They're illegal!!! France will welcome them.

4) All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit!!!!!!!!No one from a terrorist nation will be allowed in. If you don't like it there, change it yourself and don't hide here. Asylum would never be available to anyone. We don't need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers.

5) No foreign "students" over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don't attend classes, they get a "D"and it's back home baby.

6) The US will make a strong effort to become self-sufficient energy wise. This will include developing non polluting sources of energy but will require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while.

7) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don't like it, we'll go some place else. They can go somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells filling up the storage sites would be enough.)

8) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not "interfere." They can pray to Allahor whomever, for seeds, rain, cement or whatever they need. Besides most of what we give them is stolen or given to the army. The people who need it most get very little, if anything.

9) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island some place. We don't need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, the building would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.

10.) All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can call us "Ugly Americans" any longer. The Language we speak is ENGLISH.....learn it...or LEAVE.

Now, isn't that a winner of a plan?

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Posted by Tarzan Ulutle8366 2010-03-14 09:38|| 2010-03-14 09:38|| Front Page Top

#7 A question... where in the US Constitution is the President or the Congress given responsibility for education?

Posted by john frum 2010-03-14 10:18|| 2010-03-14 10:18|| Front Page Top

#8 It's no where in the Constitution. Just another aspect of a 'living Constitution' [ie we make this up as we go along] rather than a ratified amendment. The closest you can come to the national government and education is the pre-Constitution Land Ordinance of 1785, effecting the Northwest Territories in which the national government specified a mechanism for funding public education. Section 16 in each township was reserved for the maintenance of public schools. The next step in 'education' by the federal government is the establishment of West Point and Annapolis which comes under their authority of Section 8 of the Constitution and the military. Other than that, it crosses the line of the 10th Amendment. The whole thing we deal today with is that power is linked to federal funding. Don't take the money and it becomes a real Ptolemaic system [pre-Copernican design of the universe] to justify any federal finger in the local education pie. The usual scam is to classify some of the kiddies as a 'protected group' and then take and impose authority over the local administration.

Posted by Procopius2k 2010-03-14 10:40|| 2010-03-14 10:40|| Front Page Top

#9 Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Posted by john frum 2010-03-14 11:08|| 2010-03-14 11:08|| Front Page Top

#10 NCLB was another ill-conceived Bush failure. If the child doesn't give a rat's ass about education and their parent (singular) doesn't either, there's not a damn thing the school can do about it.

If the GOP is smart (they're not), they'll dump "compassionate conservatism" forever.

Posted by DMFD 2010-03-14 11:36|| 2010-03-14 11:36|| Front Page Top

#11 As we are all aware, many jobs very legitimately require a college degree as an inital qualification for employment consideration. Few would argue that one's education has nearly always been a necessary gate or discriminating factor of employment. The government's insistance that everyone obtain a college degree does at least two things. Firstly, it leads to a further 'dumbing down' of accedemic achievement. Secondly, it will bring about the eventual elimination of accedemic achievement as a discriminator for hiring. Further more, if one has a government guaranteed 'right' to a college education, then it will follow that he or she has a 'right' to graduate. If everyone graduates and is degreed, then only government enforced Affirmative Action can be used as a selection criteria. And as we all know, Affirmative Action is the only legitimate or recognized discriminator. The post-apartheid program of Black Economic Empowerment or "BEE" in South Africa has flooded the country with meaningless diplomas whilst making nearly all imminently qualified for hiring. Employment then is granted those deemed by the post-apartheid regime as entitled to economic empowerment. I will leave it to the reader to determine which minority has been excluded in this process and what direction President Obama is headed.

Posted by Besoeker 2010-03-14 11:54|| 2010-03-14 11:54|| Front Page Top

#12 I got a better idea.

Just shut down the education system; close every school; fire every teacher; cash out their pensions, reducing the tax load by the same amount.

I will bet that within six months many of those schools will reopen in private hands and will have students who want to learn funded by parents who want their kids to have an education.

No drugs; less violence, no rap music ( or country music if that's your thing ) booming out side. Just a group of kids part of a combine dedicated to giving children an education backed by parents with an actual stake in the outcome.

The way it is now, parents have no skin in their child's education. They pass off their own responsibilities to the school.

There is an immutable connection between giving up your substance for your legacy, and the success of the child. Parent who themselves invest in education would be on their kids' ass like a dog on a bone to excell in school and consequently in life.

The way it is now, it's all expectations with no realistic chance of a preferable outcome for anyone if you try to educate everyone.

Posted by badanov 2010-03-14 12:41|| 2010-03-14 12:41|| Front Page Top

#13 If Bambi thinks a college degree is necessary for a career, I'd suggest he call a Ph.D. the next time his toilet is stopped up.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2010-03-14 12:57|| 2010-03-14 12:57|| Front Page Top

#14 john frum, the same place where it says the government is responsible for health care, General Motors and AIG.

So, basically, he wants more fat, stupid, grossly overpaid English professors and psychology professors and sociology professors teaching kids all these worthless subjects so they can have worthless college degrees and end up as busboys and cocktail waitresses.

Hey, Barry, leave them kids alone!

Posted by Abu Uluque 2010-03-14 15:15|| 2010-03-14 15:15|| Front Page Top

#15 If the stimulus bill and the healthcare bill are any indication of what this "reform" will look like...run.

This should be called the "full employment and lifetime tenure for incompetent pedophiles in education bill"

I'm sorry but I am sick of this "flavor of the week" reform.

I think he is trying to ram through as much destructive legislation as he can before the midterms...

Does he realize that he is on the verge of making the Dems into a national pariah and laughingstock. I mean every stand up comic in LA is making fun of Pelosi, Reid and Obama...heck I heard a BLACK stand up comic making fun of Obama the other night...I think the tide has turned against him and he running a two minute drill to get communism legislated before he doesn't have the votes.

Next time I think the Dems need to vett their candidates in the primaries a little better. This guy is our "Manchurian Candidate".

Posted by Karl Rove 2010-03-14 15:29|| 2010-03-14 15:29|| Front Page Top

#16 Karl, 0 looks to me more like incompetent, stupid, narcissistic leftist radical. Is there a connection to "manchuria"? Not entirely out of the question, but occam razor indicates that the above may be explanatory.

Though, I noticed a few times a faint reflection of strings. ;-)

Posted by twobyfour 2010-03-14 22:48|| 2010-03-14 22:48|| Front Page Top

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