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2009-02-15 Home Front Economy
GM, UAW talks break off; Chrysler talks stall
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Posted by tipper 2009-02-15 09:22|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [6495 views ]  Top

#1 that horse need too be shot
Posted by rabid whitetail 2009-02-15 10:07||   2009-02-15 10:07|| Front Page Top

#2 The union leadership believes their chips with the Donks says the American people are going to pay for their high end benefits with a continuing bailout, so why negotiate? /rhetorical question.
Posted by Procopius2k 2009-02-15 10:40||   2009-02-15 10:40|| Front Page Top

#3 As a former union member in the 60's and 70's (AFL-CIO)I'm still convinced the UAW and the big two (didn't it used to be three) automakers have a death wish. Both seem intent upon wrecking our auto industry by refusing to negotiate in any realistic fashion. If this sh*t continues we will no longer have an auto industry, and both the unions and automakers will play the blame game. Just sayinn'...ya' know.
Posted by WolfDog 2009-02-15 11:05||   2009-02-15 11:05|| Front Page Top

#4 Nothin' at all like the steel industry, or the railroads, or the airlines, or the longshoremen, or...
Posted by Fred 2009-02-15 11:11||   2009-02-15 11:11|| Front Page Top

#5 Meanwhile, apparently no bitching or complaining laber problems on the Horizon at Princeton, Indiana Toyota, BMW Greenville, SC. or Benz, Tuscaloosa, AL.
Posted by Besoeker 2009-02-15 11:22||   2009-02-15 11:22|| Front Page Top

#6 Having retired out of the auto industry (I was not in the UAW, so save your breath/fingers) I have a stake in this whole process and no say. I suspect I'll get a major reduction in pension but I am still working so is my wife. We'll survive. But having had to deal with people in the UAW on an almost daily basis for 30+ years I can say on pretty good authority that a lot of them have no grounding in the real world. Invariably their first reaction is always "the company's trying to fuck us"
Posted by Cheaderhead 2009-02-15 11:29||   2009-02-15 11:29|| Front Page Top

#7 CH, you're about the only guy I have sympathy for in this whole mess. For any body who stuck out 20+ years having to work with the UAW on a daily basis and then see it all go in the crapper is going to be very hard. For the dealers, senior management, marketers, and especially the UAW those guys deserve what they get for killing the goose that laid the golden egg.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2009-02-15 12:56||   2009-02-15 12:56|| Front Page Top

#8 Greed and laziness. These things are killing our nation.

One of the few true economic laws is that you always get more of what you pay for.

The Zero is continuing to bail out failing banks that in many cases are victims of their own greed, qed more greed.

The Zero is implementing a roll-back of welfare reform, and pushing Card Check to empower the unions, qed more laziness.
Posted by SR-71">SR-71  2009-02-15 13:47||   2009-02-15 13:47|| Front Page Top

#9 besoeker i have been sayiing for quite some time now send the jobs down south, alot of ppl down here would work for less than these union ppl do now, if there is anything left too salvage after so much mismanagement that is
Posted by rabid whitetail 2009-02-15 14:58||   2009-02-15 14:58|| Front Page Top

#10 Bankruptcy will shut those unions up.
Posted by OldSpook 2009-02-15 15:24||   2009-02-15 15:24|| Front Page Top

#11 Most of the transplant auto assembly plants are in the south. Toyota USA workers get about the same hourly rate as GM workers. The benefits are in line with that of other heavy industry but much less than the gold-plated health care that the UAW demands and gets. Biggest issue: no union work rules.

But as long as the Wagner Act demands that unions act as adversaries to corporations, none of this is going to change. UAW can't change its spots.
Posted by Steve White 2009-02-15 15:39||   2009-02-15 15:39|| Front Page Top

#12 We'll miss ya, Big 3. You once provided value.
Posted by Mike N. 2009-02-15 16:58||   2009-02-15 16:58|| Front Page Top

#13 It's just a very dim memory now but it seems to me that presidents like Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon used to employ a technique called jawboning. They'd send some heavyweight guy to Detroit to get all these people to the same table and they'd stay there until a deal was made. No bailout. Just put the squeeze on both sides until they had a deal. I wonder if Zero ever heard of anything like that.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2009-02-15 17:37||   2009-02-15 17:37|| Front Page Top

#14 My memory is that the jaw boning was done from the White House press room or the East Room in a presser where the President told management to cave. I don't remember a President ever coming down on a union.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2009-02-15 19:21||   2009-02-15 19:21|| Front Page Top

#15 Well, there was Reagan and the air traffic controllers.
Posted by lotp 2009-02-15 19:48||   2009-02-15 19:48|| Front Page Top

#16 The ATCs were government employees, who like all government employees sign a paper understanding that to strike against the government is illegal. If and when we end up nationalizing the Big Three per the Obama-Reid-Pelosi Plan Part III, the UAW will find life a little more interesting [particularly the part where their pension gets managed by the feds - see what happened to the railroads].
Posted by Procopius2k 2009-02-15 20:05||   2009-02-15 20:05|| Front Page Top

#17 my dad retired from GM and is a union guy. We get into vehement arguments over this type of stuff. I think the union needs to go the way of the dodo. All the basic worker's rights they fought for back in the 30s-50s (when there was a need for a union) are all common laws now - the union needs to go away, they serve no real purpose anymore.
Posted by Unens McGurque aka Broadhead6 2009-02-15 20:19||   2009-02-15 20:19|| Front Page Top

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