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2007-07-02 Syria-Lebanon-Iran

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Posted by Pappy 2007-07-02 00:00|| || Front Page|| [5 views ] Top
File under: Fatah al-Islam

#1 So whom would you trust? Paleos and affiliated NGO's or LA? Pondering... After 5 seconds, LA wins.

Posted by twobyfour 2007-07-02 00:36|| 2007-07-02 00:36|| Front Page Top

#2 Caoimhe Butterfly?

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-07-02 07:58|| 2007-07-02 07:58|| Front Page Top

#3 The paleos have their OWN relief agency at the UN?!
UNRWA

WTF?

Posted by bigjim-ky 2007-07-02 08:23|| 2007-07-02 08:23|| Front Page Top

#4 Excessive force? Are they sure they've got the right army? I didn't know the Lebanese Army had any force; they've certainly never used it against the Syrians or Hezbollah.

Posted by Spot">Spot 2007-07-02 08:30|| 2007-07-02 08:30|| Front Page Top

#5 I've been waiting for this for weeks.

Posted by gromgoru 2007-07-02 08:55|| 2007-07-02 08:55|| Front Page Top

#6 Excessive force. Is there any other kind?

Posted by tu3031 2007-07-02 09:00|| 2007-07-02 09:00|| Front Page Top

#7 UNRWA is the UN relief agency. They've been administering the various Palestinian "camps" for so long that as far as I can tell, they're the closest thing to an actual Palestinian adminstration in existence.

As for NGOs... what the hell is the "Nahr Al Bared Relief Campaign"? What's the chances we're looking at a minor militia which has cleverly disguised itself as a NGO charity? That testimony slides interestingly from detached third-person to alarmed first-person. "We sat down to de-escalate"? So the "Relief Campaign" was leading this ~~riot~~protest, were they?

Posted by Mitch H.">Mitch H. 2007-07-02 09:32|| http://blogfonte.blogspot.com/]">[http://blogfonte.blogspot.com/] 2007-07-02 09:32|| Front Page Top

#8 I didn't know the Lebanese Army had any force; they've certainly never used it against the Syrians or Hezbollah.

I soooo glad you approve of suicide missions, Spot.

Do you ever do homework? Research? Perhaps research on the TO&E, relative strength to Hezb'allah and Syria, and what kind of materiel the Lebanese Army has?

No. Of course not. Posting stupid schidt is always easier.

Posted by Pappy 2007-07-02 10:19|| 2007-07-02 10:19|| Front Page Top

#9 Don't get yer suspenders in a bunch Pappy. I've followed Lebanon since their civil war in the 1970s. One consistent element has been the ineffectiveness of the Lebanese army. They've been routed by various militias and neighbors for a long time. Inasmuch as one of Hezbollah's goals is to establish an Islamic state in Lebanon, you'd think it's army would oppose them or at least have the honor to try (after all their motto is: Honor, Sacrifice, Loyalty). They are basically a militia used to control limited areas and weak types such as Paleo refugees. I would love to see them use excessive force against Hezb and keep their country from being used as a battlefield by outsiders. Wouldn't you?

Posted by Spot">Spot 2007-07-02 16:14|| 2007-07-02 16:14|| Front Page Top

#10 What's the religious makeup of the LA? Does it follow the country's, or are shiite or perhaps christians over-represented (I take druzes are not significant)?

Posted by anonymous5089 2007-07-02 16:18|| 2007-07-02 16:18|| Front Page Top

#11 Don't get yer suspenders in a bunch Pappy.

I don't wear suspenders. And I apologize for using the term 'schtupid'. I meant 'ignorant'.

I've followed Lebanon since their civil war in the 1970s. One consistent element has been the ineffectiveness of the Lebanese army. They've been routed by various militias and neighbors for a long time.

Then you would have realized that the Leb army was deliberately set up to be ineffectual by the various factions (one of the few things they ever agreed upon).

Inasmuch as one of Hezbollah's goals is to establish an Islamic state in Lebanon, you'd think it's army would oppose them or at least have the honor to try (after all their motto is: Honor, Sacrifice, Loyalty). They are basically a militia used to control limited areas and weak types such as Paleo refugees.

When you have army with (until recently) little national respect, formed of 60,00 troops of dubious fealty and little combat experience, an air force consisting of unarmed helicopters, and equipment of 1960s vintage, Honor Sacrifice and Loyalty tend to take a back seat.

I would love to see them use excessive force against Hezb and keep their country from being used as a battlefield by outsiders. Wouldn't you?

And I would have loved to have seen the Polish cavalry destroying Panzers with their lances and stopping the Blitzkrieg. Can't find that in my history books, though.

Posted by Pappy 2007-07-02 21:37|| 2007-07-02 21:37|| Front Page Top

#12 Remember this incident from last summer?

Posted by lotp 2007-07-02 21:41|| 2007-07-02 21:41|| Front Page Top

#13 Yes. Which, barring the fog-of-war aspect (something the IDF is really 'good' at), it tends to support the 'dubious fealty' aspect of the Leb army.

Posted by Pappy 2007-07-02 21:52|| 2007-07-02 21:52|| Front Page Top

#14 My thought too.

Posted by lotp 2007-07-02 21:58|| 2007-07-02 21:58|| Front Page Top

#15 If the clowns wanted back in the combat zone, I would have frisked them and waved them through.

Posted by Super Hose 2007-07-02 22:18|| 2007-07-02 22:18|| Front Page Top

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