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2003-10-22 Fifth Column
Anti-War Protesters Plan Weekend Protests
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Posted by tu3031 2003-10-22 4:42:27 PM|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [460 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Thank God! I was afraid I'd have to mothball my "Free Winona" t-shirt.
Posted by Dar  2003-10-22 4:52:36 PM||   2003-10-22 4:52:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 Anti-war groups are planning their largest demonstrations since after the start of the war in Iraq, with thousands expected at rallies Saturday in Washington and San Francisco.

Note to idiot protestors: the operation in Iraq is only a smaller part of a bigger "war", in which our safety and security are at stake. Go live in a place that's under the constant threat of terrorism and then decide - is that really the way you want to live your life?

Protesters are expected from 140 cities in the United States and Canada, organizers said Tuesday. They hope to foment public pressure that will force the withdrawal of U.S. troops. With Congress poised to authorize $87 billion for Iraq’s reconstruction, "Now more than ever it is critical that we stand united in our effort to turn this all around," said Leslie Cagan, an organizer for United for Peace and Justice.

Translation: "We'd rather see Saddam back in charge of things in Iraq."

In San Francisco, organizers are expecting thousands of protesters to participate in a 2 p.m. EDT rally followed by a march through downtown.

Because in San Francisco, they don't have anything better to do.
Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2003-10-22 4:55:29 PM||   2003-10-22 4:55:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 btw - Jesse's out in LA panhandling for the grocery clerks on strike. Bet the union's paying his way. He won't make it to Washington unless these groups come up with more swag than the union
Posted by Frank G  2003-10-22 5:02:16 PM||   2003-10-22 5:02:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Please anything to get Jesse out of my state! But I suspect that he will take a leave from the grocery strike and be bop up to SF for a quick protest and photo op. Sgt Fear please feel free to crack any protestor on the hands/feet/noggin if they so much as smirk at you. You get double if you crack Kusinich/Jackson/Sharpton accross the knees. Triple for ANY member of ANSWER or any step father of a serving GI.
Posted by Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter)  2003-10-22 5:12:46 PM||   2003-10-22 5:12:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Dont get mad, get organized!: visit "protest warriors" a group dedicated to reacting to the leftist propaganda at these events. They join the protest and then insert their own placards in the midst of the protest such as :

- Except for slavery, fascism, communism war hasnt solved anything

- Saddam only kills his own people, its none of our business.

and so on. Illustrating with satire the asinine nature of the leftist arguments in support of tyranny.

Frankly, these guys are hilarious. Check out their photo gallery and read their responses from the protesters, It'll crack you up.

Protest Warriors:

Protest Pics:

Posted by Frank Martin  2003-10-22 5:13:35 PM||   2003-10-22 5:13:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 I have seen the web site of del Solar and I find deeply disturbing the fascist ideology permeating it. It could be an Aztec fascism but it is still a fascism. BTW before someone speaks of the Aztecs as good guys victims of the eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil Spaniards let me recall you that they killed 80,000 people in one major festivity and that the reason Cortez and a mere 500 survivors of the Noche Triste could conquer Mexico is because everyone else had had enough of
them and their sacrifices. The fact this guy vindicates himself as an Aztec tells LOTS about him. It also tells lots about those who associate with him.
Posted by JFM  2003-10-22 5:14:54 PM||   2003-10-22 5:14:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 In addition transcript (and a nice commentary).

These people are scary. Example:

I hate to point out that the Constitution itself sucks; there's a lot wrong with it. There's no right to healthcare, no right to education, no right to jobs, none of that is in there. Racism, anti-gay bigotry, none of that is outlawed by the Constitution. Those are the things that need to be in a real peoples' constitution. It's important to point out because we keep defending the Constitution, but it's a Constitution that's extremely weak and does not represent what people need. And when we defend the Constitution we have to go one step further and say "this is what a real constitution should look like."
Posted by CrazyFool  2003-10-22 5:26:06 PM||   2003-10-22 5:26:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 I want to know how in hell the AP can run a story about ANSWER and not mention the fact that they area a communist (even Stalinist) front organization. This story makes them sound oh-so-peaceful.
Also, let's pull out of Iraq and let chaos reign - yeah, that'll be peaceful! F***ing idiots.
Posted by Spot  2003-10-22 5:26:28 PM||   2003-10-22 5:26:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Yay! More big dumb puppets!
Posted by BH  2003-10-22 5:27:39 PM||   2003-10-22 5:27:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 (Sorry, previous post got clipped - my fault. Lets try again)

Protest Warrior intends to 'infiltrate' the Washington protest with they sarcastic signs. If you want to be involved (I wish I could) see the website.

In addition Protest Warrior has infiltrated a meeting of A.N.S.W.E.R. and have a transcript (and a nice commentary).

These people are scary. Example:

I hate to point out that the Constitution itself sucks; there's a lot wrong with it. There's no right to healthcare, no right to education, no right to jobs, none of that is in there. Racism, anti-gay bigotry, none of that is outlawed by the Constitution. Those are the things that need to be in a real peoples' constitution. It's important to point out because we keep defending the Constitution, but it's a Constitution that's extremely weak and does not represent what people need. And when we defend the Constitution we have to go one step further and say "this is what a real constitution should look like."
Posted by CrazyFool  2003-10-22 5:31:06 PM||   2003-10-22 5:31:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Hmmm.... I'm thinking it would be a lot of fun to hop on BART and head into The City with a "Bring Back Saddam" sign.
Posted by Dishman  2003-10-22 6:44:06 PM||   2003-10-22 6:44:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 That's pretty funny, Dishman. For a disclaimer, put an asteric on the end and at the bottom of the sign, put a disclaimer in small print that says, "just kidding"

I saw a nutcase in Berkeley in the 60s with a sign that said "Nuke the gay baby whales."
What it meant, I know not to this day.
Posted by Alaska Paul 2003-10-22 6:53:02 PM||   2003-10-22 6:53:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 I especially like this bit from the transcript:

"...just don't buy anything for a few hours...We've against this administration, so why should we contribute, you know, to the economy of this country?"

The person saying this would be better off, you know, unemployed.
Posted by Rafael 2003-10-22 7:04:32 PM||   2003-10-22 7:04:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Anyone care to Google?

I'll take that. Our Mr. Cleghorn got several hits, but his stepson likely won't have the same last name, so googling won't tell us anything about him.

Oh, but there is plenty about pater.

He shares a letter allegedly written by his stepson here (you must scroll down or do a "find" on Cleghorn), in which the stepson reports that morale is low and we need more troops and we're generally in a quagmire. Unfortunately, none of the letters have dates (he mentions Father's Day, though, so presumably the letter was written in June).

Next up is this editorial about the death of Philip Berrigan, war protestor.

If I read this aright, the young Cleghorn, while a soldier in 1971, was court-martialed and spent a month in jail for refusing to hide the cross he wore on his uniform. The first few paragraphs, at least, of this letter is a must-read.

Currently, J. Stephen Cleghorn, PhD, is involved with the Community Partnership for the Prevention of Homelessness in DC. He's had "over 25 years of experience in homeless and human services in the public and private sectors."

In other words, he's a professional activist.

Why would the stepson of a fellow who'd been court-martialed, who was very close to '60s anti-war activists, go into the military, anyway? Maybe Cleghorn hasn't been his stepfather very long.

NOTE: I have no way, of knowing, of course, whether the Stephen Cleghorn of Military Families Speak Out/Military Families Against the War is the same Stephen Cleghorn as Berrigan's mourner is the same Stephen Cleghorn who's a homeless activist. But they all seem to live in DC.
Posted by Angie Schultz 2003-10-22 7:04:50 PM|| []  2003-10-22 7:04:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Thanks, Angie. Sorry you got stuck with the dirty work...
Posted by tu3031 2003-10-22 7:18:34 PM||   2003-10-22 7:18:34 PM|| Front Page Top

Posted by Dave D. 2003-10-22 7:32:10 PM||   2003-10-22 7:32:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 My thought was to aim to get on TV with the most blatantly stupid sign I possibly could.
"Bring Back Saddam", "Saddam was ELECTED" and "Support the Arab National Socialist (Baath) Party" all strike me as amusing.
Posted by Dishman  2003-10-22 7:32:43 PM||   2003-10-22 7:32:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 If the protesters are against the war - that's fine w/me. I absolutely support the 1st Amendment. They can whine, piss & moan all they want, it's their right. However, using some grieving father to further an ajenda is pathetic. Half of their ajenda has nothing to do w/Iraq. I.E. - racism, living wage, homo life style, palestinians for puppies, arabs for kittens blah,blah, fricken blah. Nothing like a couple thousand wall to wall long-haired tye-dye wearing jerry garcia wannabe maggot infested peace pansies to enlighten us. 90% protesting something they've never experienced or been through. Most of the young college morons are there because its "hip" to protest the big bad Bush. I could go on all day about these schleps. I like the whole protest warrior angle -that's good to go, wish I thought that up.
Posted by Jarhead 2003-10-22 7:38:49 PM||   2003-10-22 7:38:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Dishman- I vote for the, Support the Arab National Socialist (Baath) Party sign. The other protestors probably won't be smart enough to understand it, so you'll be cool with the crowd! Don't forget to put "Free Mumia!" and on the back of your placard, just to give them that extra edge they so deserve.
Posted by B 2003-10-22 8:41:25 PM||   2003-10-22 8:41:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 really have to wonder about that, don't you!
Posted by B 2003-10-22 8:44:46 PM||   2003-10-22 8:44:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 As a left-watcher since the 60s, I see some definite indications that a sudden and very dramatic upsurge in violence will be the coming trend for these groups. Their previous tactics have failed completely, and authoritarians always resort to violence if other means fail.
Among other indications, a number of radical trend-setter outlets, notably the Guardian and its US imitators (LA Times, etc.), have taken an increasingly favorable tone toward serious violence by radicals. The most brazen example is probably the Guardian's subtle but unmistakable effort to incite the assassination of President Bush.

It is important to understand that only the level of violence will be new, not the use of violence itself, so new and much more lethal tactics should be an easy transition. Thanks to media collusion, it has never been obvious to the public at large that lower levels of violence, and the ever-present threat of violence, have long been a crucial and carefully managed component of these demonstrations.

Heretofore, most of this has been associated with groups of enforcers who adopt a distinctive appearance (masks, black shirts, etc.) in an effort to provide the main force and its organizers with "plausible deniability". If their assaults, vandalism, and intimidation get so far out of hand that even collaborationist media take note, the organizers can always characterize the blackshirts as a small band of hangers-on and malcotents taking advantage of the larger and more peaceful group.

Nothing could be further from the truth, as analysis of arrest records shows. The vandals are easily identified as active associates of various "respectable" activist groups.

A notable increase in the intensity of violence by animal rights terrorists is another good indication, since this is also an important trend-setting element for the radical left as a whole.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2003-10-22 9:09:58 PM||   2003-10-22 9:09:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 Atomic -- I've had the same fear you do. It's not going to be pretty over the next 10 to 15 years.

I suspect that if Bush is re-elected, we'll soon hear about a new group calling itself the "Weatherman".
Posted by Robert Crawford  2003-10-22 10:43:19 PM|| []  2003-10-22 10:43:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 What I wouldn't give for a pair of 70,000 watt speakers, a recording of 200 F-111s coming in for a bomb run, and a BIIIG truck to pull it through the protest march! Mount one speaker on the grill, the other on the fifth wheel, and crank the sound up to around 600 dB. Need a RELLY good set of earplugs, along with strong, sound-killing acoustical tile, but can't you just see these dumb bumpkins soiling their pants?? THAT's how to put a stop to dumb "peace protests" - which in reality are anti-American protests. Throw in the sound of a squealing pig, a braying ass, and a herd of donkeys stampeding off a cliff, just for accuracy.
Posted by Old Patriot  2003-10-22 10:45:32 PM|| []  2003-10-22 10:45:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 Uhmm.. Old Patriot..
I'd really rather not be on the same planet as a 600 dB noise of any kind.
It's a logarathmic scale. 432 dB works out to about 1 megaton at 1 meter.
Sorry to nit-pick. That's a pet peeve of mine.

Otherwise I like the idea.
Posted by Dishman  2003-10-22 11:49:24 PM||   2003-10-22 11:49:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 Maybe Rantburg should have a sign design contest for the best idiotic signs making fun of the protesters.
Posted by Uncle Joe  2003-10-22 11:55:48 PM||   2003-10-22 11:55:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 Why is it the "brave dissenters" and "people of peace" always find the strength to attack American Presidents, but always sit on their hands( or worse, openly swoon) when tyrants and dictators come to town? Castro in town? big celebration!, how many people live in his dungeons? Robert Mugambe? How many have died at his hand? Was there ever EVER a protest against Saddam? Libya, Cuba, North Korea all kill people with utter disregard to human rights, Yet the sit side by side with democratically elected and accountable governments in the UN, rendering it completely impotent to act on this cancer on humanity.

Once upon a time liberals stood up for liberty and decency. Now they stand against anything that is American, just because its American.

Until the U.N. Puts some requirements on its membership ( you cant be a head of state if you wear a uniform, that means you "el jefe") I cant understand why were are there. Its just disgusting to me.
Posted by Frank Martin  2003-10-23 12:09:25 AM||   2003-10-23 12:09:25 AM|| Front Page Top

#27 against anything that is American, just because its American.

You've got it.
Posted by Rafael 2003-10-23 12:21:01 AM||   2003-10-23 12:21:01 AM|| Front Page Top

#28 OK, Dishman, we'll settle for 432 db.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2003-10-23 12:24:10 AM||   2003-10-23 12:24:10 AM|| Front Page Top

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