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Any other ideas?
Old Patriot has an interesting suggestion. He suggests
Add a place where the rest of us can post a link... and NOT limit what 's posted. There are a couple of articles today, one on John Kerry, another on education (Walter Williams' editorial) that have nothing to do with the WoT, and have no place on Rantburg, but that would be excellent for such a link.
Old Pat suggested letting the links die every seven days, but the easiest approach would be to modify the Guest Poster page to cut the text portion. Only the headline would appear, and the topic would be open for comments. I think it's a good idea. I'll build it tonight or tomorrow and we'll see how we like it.

Any other good ideas? Now's the time to ask, since I've got to tinker with the system's innards anyway...
Posted by: Fred || 03/10/2004 4:30:47 PM || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Be vewy, vewy, quiet. I am hunting twolls.
Heh, heh, heh, heh, heh.
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 03/10/2004 16:40 Comments || Top||

#2  more hot chicks!
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 03/10/2004 16:49 Comments || Top||

#3  Leave the latest couple (three ?) comments on the main page with each article. Then you can just scroll down the page and check for new snarky comments without having to check each comment page individually.
Posted by: NonnyNonnyNoo || 03/10/2004 17:02 Comments || Top||

#4  Good idea N3. I've also noticed that torque is seriously dropping off after 3800 rpm, you may need to do something about the compression.
Posted by: Shipman || 03/10/2004 17:20 Comments || Top||

#5  I'm not the most active guest poster, but I like having the ability to post text and smartassery commentary--and greatly appreciate the opportunity to do so. I hope you're not planning to limit the guest poster's options.

After I wrote that, I finally realized that OP is proposing a separate "guest poster lite" section, and not a "downsizing" of the current guest function.

As for topicality and such concerns, Fred, if I'm using your bandwidth in ways you don't intend, just let me know and I will modify my behavior appropriately. I believe in being a polite houseguest.
Posted by: Mike || 03/10/2004 17:32 Comments || Top||

#6  How about a Rantburg After Hours page, where we can beat up on the trolls or each other, or post responses to older comments, etc.

I'm also in favour of N3's suggestion.
Posted by: Rafael || 03/10/2004 17:33 Comments || Top||

#7  Two words -- tail fins.
Posted by: Tibor || 03/10/2004 17:53 Comments || Top||

#8  Fred - In the article list at the top of the page, I suggest reordering the fields - and I THINK (don't know for certain) this should be a semi-trivial edit:

perma-link symbol,comment count, time of last comment, article title

Something like this... using Table elements to handle alignment instead of my leading zeros...

link    042    00:15    Kerry Confesses - On Soros Payroll; Skandal Breaks
link    217    06:20    Ketchup-Girl Recounts Childhood - Never Had A Pony
link    033    14:50    Feds FINALLY Stop Soros Soft Money - MoveOn Moves On
link    974    20:00    Rantburg: #1 Interactive Newspaper
link    288    15:32    Soft Money Confiscated; Awarded to RB for Fisking First
link    734    16:06    Fred Retires to Libyan Beach Resort; Wheelus Rocks

It would be easier to scan for latest comments than the current style of putting the count & time at the end of a ragged-right format.
Tanx for your consideration!!! 8^)
Posted by: .com || 03/10/2004 17:57 Comments || Top||

#9  How about the following changes to the "File Under" dropdown list when adding an article:
Add Russia
Add China
Add Israel/Paleos
Replace Terror Networks with WoT
Replace Europe with and East and West Europe
Cut all the Africas down to just Africa

I've had an idea for a while for different pages with their own catagories - ie pages just for Military, Politics, Weapon Systems, etc. It might cut down the time shifting through all the line items.

Hope some of these are useful.
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 03/10/2004 17:57 Comments || Top||

#10  YS - Don't you mean Old Europe and New Europe? Heh... ;-)
Posted by: .com || 03/10/2004 18:00 Comments || Top||

#11  I'm thinking... I have _way_ more capacity at my home 'blog site, including the possibility of multiple 'blogs, than I'll ever really need. I could set up two "sub-blogs," one sort-of a "guest poster lite" type site, and one a "rantburg backup" that would just be a place for Fred to post updates in case the main site gets disabled by rabid tasteless hackers of some sort. Of course, there's the problem that with both sites, the users would be stuck with using typepad. Typepad is nice, but I've come to appreciate Fred's easy-to-use smartass comment hilite macro. (Of course, if I knew more html, I'd probably find replicating it myself easier.) I'll have to experiment with typepad's options, see what I can come up with... and I'm not sure the various functionalities will map one-to-one. If you have any suggestions, I can be reached at pgf (at) cox (dash) internet (dot) com .
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 03/10/2004 18:00 Comments || Top||

#12  I've posted my first naked headline. It seemed to work okay. I can see the possibility of getting very lazy in my posting habits. I can also see joint posts, where one person posts the headline and somebody else pulls in the body to fill it out as it got more important...

Hmmm...
Posted by: Fred || 03/10/2004 18:13 Comments || Top||

#13  Fred - on the naked headline idea I have 2 comments:

1) IF I'm getting this right - I'm sure gonna miss the in-line commentary, both the poster's and the editor's - I consider these as defining hallmarks of what makes Rantbug special -- and enjoyable.

2) All headline links should open in a new window

I'll shaddaup, now...
Posted by: .com || 03/10/2004 18:27 Comments || Top||

#14  How 'bout "Murats corner", where we could just consign all spittle filled trolling style authors.
Posted by: Frank Martin || 03/10/2004 18:32 Comments || Top||

#15  Just checked out the NewsLink feature . . . sweeeeet.
Posted by: Mike || 03/10/2004 18:42 Comments || Top||

#16  I'd like "muck4doo" filter where I can screen certain, er, people's comments out to save my time, blood pressure level and troll-response-click-carpal-tunnel-syndrome pain
Posted by: Frank G || 03/10/2004 18:46 Comments || Top||

#17 
#13
Naked headlines are for stuff you want to pull in but might be to long to post, or too far off topic but interesting -- Old Pat used the example of a Walter Williams opinion column. They'll still be open for commentary.

You're right about the new window. Lemme fix...
Posted by: Fred || 03/10/2004 19:34 Comments || Top||

#18  Ah, okay - gotcha now. I would've protested till my keybd turned blue if you were gonna stop posting your in-line comments! Thx!

BTW - didya like my articles list in the reformatting suggestion? So, are you gonna run the Wheelus O-Club or the E-Club?
Posted by: .com || 03/10/2004 19:38 Comments || Top||

#19  Fred, Rantburg works where many other sites have been overwhelmed by abusive trolls or the agendas of the site owners have driven people away (which they are perfectly entitled to do BTW).

I am concerned that RB will become a victim of its own success and is already close to 'too much to follow' even for me. This is a new medium and no one knows where it is going, so I encourage you to experiment and see what works. I've been in the SW biz a long time and many things I thought were sure fire winners sank without trace while other things I thought were candidates for the world's dumbest ideas went on to be hugely successful. So as my mother used to say 'Suck it and see!'
Posted by: Phil B || 03/10/2004 19:41 Comments || Top||

#20 
#19
Phil, my problem lately has been quantity. With 30 or 40 articles, I can read every one line by line. We've got 65 articles and 365 comments as I write this. If I quit my day job I'll be able to keep up with them all, at least until I starve to death.

The answer's got to be either filtering or cloning -- breaking Rantburg down into Page One and Page Two. I tried only displaying one category at a time and I didn't like it. (I hope everybody else didn't love it, 'cuz I didn't ask before I dumped it...) I tried putting very long articles on a separate blog once, and didn't like that, either. Right now I'm thinking in terms of headlines and WoT on Page One, everything else on Page Two, but I'm not happy with that idea, either.
Posted by: Fred || 03/10/2004 20:42 Comments || Top||

#21  It just occured to me that the sort of software abstraction necessary to produce "Rantburg Page One" and "Rantburg Page Two" might also be helpful for producing enough abstraction to "commercialize" the Rantburg Engine and maybe license it to a hosting company.
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 03/10/2004 21:21 Comments || Top||

#22  New look is great. Only addition I would suggest is adding the name of the poster.
Posted by: Mr. Davis || 03/10/2004 21:21 Comments || Top||

#23  I spoke too soom. Comments and Latest are better on the left, especiall if one has a wide screen
Posted by: Mr. Davis || 03/10/2004 21:23 Comments || Top||

#24  I spoke too soon. Comments and Latest are better on the left, especially if one has a wide screen
Posted by: Mr. Davis || 03/10/2004 21:23 Comments || Top||

#25  I dunno. I had 'em on the left first, but the right looks better to me. You're right that it's easier association - the look makes me want to stripe it, which'll make it too busy. Maybe if I combine the time/comments...?
Posted by: Fred || 03/10/2004 21:28 Comments || Top||

#26  Fred, one idea that I like and which is being tried at a technical blog I participate in (www.featuredrivendevelopment.com) is voting/rating on articles. Whilst FDD.com does not do this you could use this to determine what gets on page one and what gets relegated to page two. Of course its up to you who gets to vote.

I personally would prefer a WoT page and the rest page. With non-WoT stuff I generally read just the comments.

regards
Posted by: Phil B || 03/10/2004 21:33 Comments || Top||

#27  Gorgeous!

I think the Front Page vs Back Page (which also helps drive home the interactive newspaper paradigm!) could be an option (checkbox) in the article post page... Of course this would require some measure of honesty by the poster - and the ability to easily override when the trolls come calling -- but it makes sense as a means of keeping the article count in a manageable range.

You surprise and surpass me every time you pull out the tools and roll up your sleeves - whatever you prefer will be awesome, I'm sure!

Fred Akbar!!!
Posted by: .com || 03/10/2004 21:47 Comments || Top||

#28  BTW - can we hear from people on dial-up connections (identifying themselves as such) to make sure they are getting reasonable response? Fred correctly wondered / worried about this yesterday - and I haven't heard any feedback from RBers who are connection-challenged.

Speak up!
Posted by: .com || 03/10/2004 21:50 Comments || Top||

#29  I like the new ".com" look! Good idea! Good implementation!
Posted by: Mike || 03/10/2004 21:51 Comments || Top||

#30 
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Phil, I doubt anybody would buy it. For one thing, I'd be ashamed to sell it. It's chock full of dead code and less than elegant solutions. And a lot of stuff is hard-coded that shouldn't be. I don't know of any other blogs that run on Windows systems. Hey! Maybe Microsoft would like to sponsor us! But they'd probably want me to switch databases to SQL Server...

.com, thanks. I'm blushing. The "back page" idea wouldn't be that hard to implement. I did the Hardcore page mostly over lunch today at work. Once I worked out how to keep track of which page was "main" it came together.

It's occurred to me that we carry more articles on WoT than any newspaper I know of, and more on international affairs than most. We've got the comix, with Day by Day. Now we need a Page 3 girl, an editorial page, and want ads...
Posted by: Fred || 03/10/2004 22:09 Comments || Top||

#31  Mike - I'm just twiddling simple shit - Fred wrote an awesome system comprised of thousands of lines of code -- that is the marvel here! RB is unique and Fred is the man!
Posted by: .com || 03/10/2004 22:10 Comments || Top||

#32  Oops! Overlapped with you, Fred. So it's ASP? Ooooo! Can I help??!!! I'm free - in both respects!

I reiterate something I said the other day. Slow and easy, a meticulous include-driven rethink. You could EASILY sell this system. Hell, you have RB as the sales pitch ready to prove your point!

Okay, all systems need cleanup after they've matured - just as in battle, no plan survives contact intact! You have something truly sexy and unique. Doing the rewrite (I know - easy for me to say!) would make adding on the awesome ideas you mentioned so much easier, too.

I would LOVE to get a postcard from you, say a year or so from now, as you loll about your beachfront villa, surrounded by the Ex-Playboy MotorChix & GunChix Club (Hey, that's just my dream - insert yours!) - in Bermuda!
Posted by: .com || 03/10/2004 22:19 Comments || Top||

#33  Hate to admit it, but I do the dialup thing, .com. I can live with the response.
Posted by: tu3031 || 03/10/2004 22:30 Comments || Top||

#34  For one thing, I'd be ashamed to sell it. It's chock full of dead code and less than elegant solutions. And a lot of stuff is hard-coded that shouldn't be.

Believe it or not but its now in fashion to write software this way. Its called being Agile and progressive rewriting is called refactoring. I kid you not.
Posted by: Phil B || 03/10/2004 22:31 Comments || Top||

#35  Don't forget your overseas readers. I have broadband, but it still takes several seconds (today perhaps 4) for the main page to load for me.
Posted by: Phil B || 03/10/2004 22:34 Comments || Top||

#36  That's a definite fantasy, alright. Somehow I doubt I'll ever see it. You can have the greatest ideas in the world, and without a salesman you're just a guy on the bus.

Seafarious suggested a "chat room" - suggested name is "Wheelus O-Club". (Rafael suggests Rantburg After Hours above.) Opinions on that? I was thinking that, or a grafitti wall, comments not tied to articles. I'm afraid it might take away from Page 1, though...
Posted by: Fred || 03/10/2004 22:35 Comments || Top||

#37  Sometimes I see that images have been added, but I don't know how that's done. Maybe you could provide a simple, clear procedure.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 03/10/2004 22:36 Comments || Top||

#38  tu3031 - Great news! On avg - how many seconds?

Phil_B - Broadband is a wide range - more specific?

4 pieces contribute to total refresh time:

1) The server load is where most of the action occurs. In most shared-server hosting environs, RB competes with other hosted sites for CPU & I/O. On main page the app hits the DB from a few times to several hundred or a thousand times -- it certainly does exercise the server near the end of the day...

2) The network path - how many hops (routers) to reach RB from your locale? How congested ARE THEY at any given instant?

3) The speed of the user's connection. Big page with complex formatting takes longer to receive over garden hose connection.

4) The speed of user's PC - how fast & how busy is it - determines display time of formatted page once received. Are you running other stuff at the same time? You may be surprised that your PC is a big part of your response time.

I have a 3MB connection - so in a perfect world I would see click-boom on everything. It takes about 2-4 seconds for avg RB main-page refresh... definitely an acceptable response time.

Truth is, folks, we need to hit the tip jar so Fred can go to a dedicated or co-hosted server if we want to reduce the biggie, server load, and have RB sizzle!!!

Fred - Understand what you said, but the software's advantage is that RB is your salesman - and it rocks. Nothing comes close or even attempts to enter the RB genre, currently, that I know of. I believe you have a winner! Ok, shutting up now!
Posted by: .com || 03/10/2004 23:00 Comments || Top||

#39  .com I have a 1.5MB link in Singapore. Just timed the main page load. It took 6 seconds. I also suspect I am hitting a cached page somewhere. I just have a few IE windows open on this machine and half a gig of ram. So paging should be limited.
Posted by: Phil B || 03/10/2004 23:11 Comments || Top||

#40  .com. On a 50K connection through Earthlink, 31 seconds to load the current page.
Posted by: tu3031 || 03/10/2004 23:21 Comments || Top||

#41  That's the main page.
Posted by: tu3031 || 03/10/2004 23:23 Comments || Top||

#42  I have a suggestion to clean up the table with dates times and comments...

Since the permalink is a picture use the alt= tag to put the time of the last comment.

So when you hold the mouse over the permalink for just a second a "tool tip" type box will pop up saying "Last comment posted at HH:MM"

Would streamline that right up while still giving easy access to the time of the last comment ;)

If you don't get what I mean. Hold the moust over your rantburg logo for just a second and you'll see the a "tool tip" come up saying "rantburg"

You could also do something similar using javascript and the actual link. Though this would be slightly trickier. I think the alt= tag would be a quite elegant and invisible solution...
Posted by: sonic || 03/10/2004 23:58 Comments || Top||

#43  PS Just realized. You could both the number of comments AND the last posted into the alt= tag of the permalink and REALLY clean things up while also giving easy access to this information...
Posted by: sonic || 03/11/2004 0:02 Comments || Top||

#44  tu3031 - Wow - that's slow. I used to have Earthlink, too - Dec 31 - Feb 6. Sucked worse than Donks on a screed campaign. I tried copper.net and it was better, but still slow. There's no cure for mucho content - IIRC, I used to see 20 sec+ from LA hotel and then later from Las Vegas hotels.

Phil_B - that's prolly about right - you're going through several more hops - being on the other side of the world. Cached pages - if you believe this is happening and you're not seeing the freshest view of RB, you can do this to force it in IE:
Tools / Internet Options / General tab / center section: Settings / Every Visit to the Page

I have a tool that was written by Lucent - back before they went down the tubes. Runs on all flavors of Windows I've used it on - 98/2K/XP. Verrrrrrry cool connection monitor. It was free and is now unsupported, but it is awesome. It shows how much time is being spent on client, network, and remotes server. Works great - but is actually an unfinished product that they dropped. It's called MyVitalAgent. I can offer it for anyone who wants to try it out. TU3031 - you DEFINITELY want this, if you don't have something better. Even HS-BB connections benefit from it.
I will upload it and you can snarf it up here - use right-click 'Save As' with IE. Offered 'as is'.
Posted by: .com || 03/11/2004 0:21 Comments || Top||

#45  Fred, under the new format how about being able to click through to the comments-inclusive article page from the appropriate part of the contents list?
Posted by: someone || 03/11/2004 2:24 Comments || Top||

#46  Corrected download link for MyVitalAgent.
Posted by: .com || 03/11/2004 4:34 Comments || Top||


Early galaxies shown
Hat tip LGF
Astronomers at the Space Telescope Science Institute today unveiled the deepest portrait of the visible universe ever achieved by humankind. Called the Hubble Ultra Deep Field (HUDF), the million-second-long exposure reveals the first galaxies to emerge from the so-called "dark ages," the time shortly after the big bang when the first stars reheated the cold, dark universe. The new image should offer new insights into what types of objects reheated the universe long ago.
Cool!
This historic new view is actually two separate images taken by Hubble’s Advanced Camera for Surveys (ACS) and the Near Infrared Camera and Multi-object Spectrometer (NICMOS). Both images reveal galaxies that are too faint to be seen by ground-based telescopes, or even in Hubble’s previous faraway looks, called the Hubble Deep Fields (HDFs), taken in 1995 and 1998.
Posted by: Korora || 03/10/2004 3:32:10 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  If the Feds are going to "waste" my tax dollars I'd just as soon see it spent on things like this than some give away program that will simply transfer money to inner city liquor and convienence stores
Posted by: Cheddarhead || 03/10/2004 16:47 Comments || Top||

#2  Earth is in the upper left hand corner.
Posted by: Shipman || 03/10/2004 17:39 Comments || Top||

#3  Check out the Archive on APOD. Here's a super cool shot.
Posted by: cingold || 03/10/2004 17:59 Comments || Top||

#4  It rather upsets me that such a fine thing as Hubble is mean to die?

I mean Mars and Hubble: There should be money for both.
Posted by: True German Ally || 03/10/2004 22:12 Comments || Top||


Hardcore, anyone?
Since Rantburg's expanded so much in the past few months, I've added an Index page on the right to distill just the day's hardcore terrorism articles. I'm including proliferation and general war/rebellion/coups in the designation "hardcore," leaving out SAST, most politix, and general silliness. Marking the entries as WoT or not is hand work, so don't be surprised if you briefly see non-WoT articles on the list.
Posted by: Fred || 03/10/2004 3:04:15 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I can take a hint.
Posted by: HalfEmpty || 03/10/2004 15:27 Comments || Top||

#2  Me too, boss.
Posted by: Seafarious || 03/10/2004 15:46 Comments || Top||

#3  Laff if you will, but in the next eight months we're going to be seeing a lot more campaign-related articles posted, probably more Fifth Column articles, and more Home Front/culture wars articles. They all bear on the WoT, even though there aren't turbans directly involved. So lots of them will be worth keeping (some just the headlines -- see the next post...) even though they're not about terror attacks and counterattacks.
Posted by: Fred || 03/10/2004 17:01 Comments || Top||

#4  I just read 'em all. It simplifies things.
Posted by: Shipman || 03/10/2004 17:23 Comments || Top||

#5  Is there going to be an inservice? Do I get a stipend?
Posted by: Shipman || 03/10/2004 17:24 Comments || Top||


Minor fixes...
After Jihad Boy's appearance yesterday I've closed down the editor functions again. If I did it right, Steve, Steve and Dan should be able to use them, but Jihad Boy should be meeting Muffler Man at Roadside America. If I hosed something, let me know, and I'll try and fix it.
Posted by: Fred || 03/10/2004 12:03:11 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Everything seems to be working just fine from my end.

Much obliged, Fred.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 03/10/2004 0:23 Comments || Top||

#2  Fred Akhbar.
Posted by: Seafarious || 03/10/2004 0:27 Comments || Top||

#3  Just checked my end and it's fine. I was at a meeting all day and evening so I missed JB -- anything worth snickering at?
Posted by: Steve White || 03/10/2004 0:28 Comments || Top||

#4  I just noticed some obligatory gloating in Romanized Arabic at the top of the page that I at first assumed was some kind of bug. Other than that, beats me what happened.

Fred Akbar indeed.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 03/10/2004 0:30 Comments || Top||

#5  the problem is this bastard jucy scum trow the scum back to where this rats are from and the entire problem will disapear
Posted by: Anonymous || 03/10/2004 0:46 Comments || Top||

#6  Um, what he said.
Posted by: .com || 03/10/2004 1:08 Comments || Top||

#7  Jihad Boy should be meeting Muffler Man at Roadside America.
LOL, he's gonna have a worldview meltdown.
Posted by: cingold || 03/10/2004 1:13 Comments || Top||

#8  I missed the Jihad Boy action. Is this a new, more potent, class of troll? If so, is he coming back to play so can have fun together?

Oh yeah, Fred Akhbar. Speaking of which, I think Fred needs a new section on the site along these lines to instruct the faithful on how to perform Rantburg salat. I already have my own Rantburg prayer ritual. It involves the use of liquid shaytan (beer) to test my devotional powers. Does that make me a deviant or a heretic?
Posted by: Classic_Liberal || 03/10/2004 2:31 Comments || Top||

#9  along these lines
Classic_Liberal, this is pretty trippy. They have a "Fatwa Corner" and a "Fatwa Bank," by Mufti and Topic. Can you be eclectic, and just piece together the most malignant, vile kind of islamofacism that suits your fancy?
Posted by: cingold || 03/10/2004 3:29 Comments || Top||

#10  So what happened with Jihad Boy? He sounds like fun. I'm sorry I missed any excitement yesterday.
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 03/10/2004 9:33 Comments || Top||

#11  WR, now I'm wondering what happened as well. I missed it too.
Posted by: Lil Dhimmi || 03/10/2004 9:57 Comments || Top||

#12  I didn't notice the "Fatwa Corner". Fred, can we have a "Live Fatwa" on Rantburg too? Will you make me a designated mufti so I can issue some?

Fred Akhbar.
Posted by: Classic_Liberal || 03/10/2004 10:29 Comments || Top||

#13  Sorry Fred. I meant "Akbar". Don't forget me on the RB mufti gig, huh?
Posted by: Classic_Liberal || 03/10/2004 10:34 Comments || Top||

#14  For those who missed it, Jihad Boy found his way into the editor and set his name as the headline for awhile yesterday. I left the editor open for Steve, Steve White, and Dan Darling, who're backing me up. Now I've got a hard-coded fix that I have to go back and replace with something more permanent.
Posted by: Fred || 03/10/2004 12:53 Comments || Top||

#15  I promise to use my powers for good, not evil.
Posted by: Steve || 03/10/2004 13:31 Comments || Top||

#16  Was that the "Sajid" thing yesterday?
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 03/10/2004 16:48 Comments || Top||

#17  That was him...
Posted by: Fred || 03/10/2004 17:02 Comments || Top||

#18  #15 Steve:
I promise to use my powers for good, not evil.
Well, darn! :-p
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 03/10/2004 19:08 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
Photos Show Fast-Food Restaurant Workers Bathing In Kitchen Sink
State law requires restaurant workers to keep their hands clean. Two employees of a Wendy’s in Davie County took it a little further.
Just how far did they take it?
Health officials said the two workers were photographed bathing in a dishwashing sink at the fast-food restaurant in Advance, NC. The sink has cleaning jets and is normally used to wash pots, pans, scrodums and other cookware.
‘Hey, ah John.’
‘Yes, boss.’
‘Say, can you clean those onions in the sink.’
‘Sure thing boss.’
‘Um, John...NOT THOSE ONIONS!’

Davie County Health Department Director Barry Bass said photographs of two men in swimsuits taking turns bathing each other in the large, bubble-filled sink prompted an investigation. Bass said while he’s never seen anything like it except this one time over at the Denny’s when ..., the act didn’t pose a health hazard.
Always pays to bring your swimsuits to work!
Health officials said the restaurant manager assured them that the sink had been sanitized.
Then his harp strings broke.
The pictures turned up at a CVS pharmacy. A photo technician alerted authorities.
Who took the pictures?
So far, no comment from Wendy’s.
Would you like to ‘Super Size’ that, sir?
Posted by: Dragon Fly || 03/10/2004 1:46:35 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Thank God for the whistle-blower! We've already had enough jocularity for one century...
Posted by: Hyper || 03/10/2004 14:03 Comments || Top||

#2  Things have gone downhill since Dave left.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 03/10/2004 14:28 Comments || Top||

#3  dave and kernal sander and ronald mcdonald are true axes of evil. i cant belief people are mad that they wash in the sink when those same people go in there to stuff their faces with dead carcasses at this merchant of death.
Posted by: muck4doo || 03/10/2004 14:48 Comments || Top||

#4  mmmm - have some bacon, muckhead - it's good 4U. Keeps the velocity in the circulatory system up at just-subsonic levels
Posted by: Frank G || 03/10/2004 15:13 Comments || Top||

#5  Again, will whoever's acting at "muck4doo" drop the crap? It's old, it's stupid, and it's reaching Foresta levels of annoyance.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/10/2004 15:18 Comments || Top||

#6  Who or what is Foresta?
Posted by: Shipman || 03/10/2004 15:29 Comments || Top||

#7  What's next, muckie, 'Outback = Hitler'?
Posted by: Raj || 03/10/2004 15:47 Comments || Top||

#8  I promise never to buy another hot dog from ANY fast-food restuarant...
Posted by: Old Patriot || 03/10/2004 16:19 Comments || Top||

#9  Who or what is Foresta?

A troll of legendary annoyingness -- he not only drank the Democrat Koolaid, but has their talking points tattooed to the insides of his eyelids. Annoying enough that I will not go to blogs that tolerate his spew.

On second thought, mucky isn't at that level, and probably lacks even the basic brain capacity that Foresta has. And as far as I could ever tell, Foresta operates strictly at the stimulus-response level.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/10/2004 16:35 Comments || Top||

#10  RC I've bin studying M4D, I see at least 4 users. Allan as my witness I've only done it once or maybe twice... I'm just not that good. The major M4D (the 1 i call larrie) is a screech.
Posted by: Shipman || 03/10/2004 17:28 Comments || Top||

#11  They were shopped by the photo developer. In situations like this, there's something to be said for digital cameras and photo-quality inkjets.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 03/10/2004 19:03 Comments || Top||

#12  I'm OK with it as long as the grease pencil signature on the employee cleaning/inspection laminated checksheet dispays a recent date. In my book obviously falsified inspections from minimum wage workers is acceptable. When they don't even bother to erase the old date entry and replace it once a week, I know that attention to detail has gone by-the-wayside. It is not safe to eat in an establishment that doesn't even bother to maintain the bare minimum of fradulent hygene bureaucracy.
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/10/2004 22:11 Comments || Top||

#13  Shipman, steer me toward the next real troll. I have a zinger saved up that I don't want to waste on a fake troll like Muck4doodoo. It's not as good as B's classic comment, "I see the short bus has arrived," but I am rather proud of the detail in the one I have created.
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/10/2004 23:35 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Saudi women get the vote
Maybe they will catch up one day. Via Melanie Phillips. Slightly EFL.
Saudi Arabia, one of the world’s most male-dominated countries, is preparing to break with tradition and risk the wrath of religious conservatives by allowing women to take part in its first elections. Plans for municipal elections, a key step towards modernisation and democracy, were announced in October, but the government gave no public indication of whether women would be included as voters or as candidates. Saudi officials said privately at the time that they wanted to introduce women’s suffrage but hoped to slip it through quietly at a later date to avoid a conservative backlash. Public confirmation came yesterday, in a press release from the Saudi embassy in London. A paragraph describing the election plans said: "It is believed both men and women will be given the opportunity to vote."

Saleh al-Malik, a member of the Shura Council, the kingdom’s non-elected parliament, confirmed that women would be allowed to take part, though the government is taking a cautious approach. He said anyone aged over 21 would be entitled to vote. Although the law will not state explicitly that women can vote, "there will be no clause saying that women are not eligible to vote or be elected", he said. The elections are expected to be held in late October. Voters in 180 municipalities will be asked to choose between four and 16 councillors, depending on population size. The electoral law is not expected to be approved until August, giving opponents little time to organise a rearguard action.

Pressure for change has built up as increasing numbers of Saudi women take up employment. About 10% of private businesses are now believed to be run by women - a situation that would have been unimaginable a generation ago. In an unprecedented move last year, 300 Saudi women signed a petition calling on the country’s de facto ruler, Crown Prince Abdullah, to recognise their legal and civil rights. Rejecting women’s suffrage would leave Saudi Arabia exposed to international criticism. Elsewhere in the Arab world, women vote in almost all the countries that hold elections. Women do not vote in Kuwait. Although the emir wanted them to vote and stand as candidates, conservative elements in parliament blocked the move. Among the arguments used against women’s participation is that menstruation could cloud their political judgment.
Posted by: Bulldog || 03/10/2004 11:38:41 AM || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  wow..the surprise meter works!
Posted by: B || 03/10/2004 11:45 Comments || Top||

#2  This is directly due to the influence of Iraq. The Iraqi constitution providing equal treatment regardless of gender or ethnicity is embarrasing for the surrounding regimes. They would look pathetic to the world and their own population if the country directly to the north of them that was invaded by the great satan had women's sufferage and elections and they didn't.

They are trying to control it but the autocrats better proceed carefully, if their people get a taste for freedom there will be no putting the genie back in the bottle.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 03/10/2004 11:51 Comments || Top||

#3  Mine still points at zero: this is Saudi Arabia, will there be several people to vote from? will the candiuadtes have to be approved by the "Councils of the guardians of oid and wahabism? what power will have the delegates? will the delegates be equal or will there be two classes of them: the ones reprensenting males and the ones representing females with zero power?
Posted by: JFM || 03/10/2004 11:54 Comments || Top||

#4  And lets no forget that their husbands have to drive them to the polls. "No, my desert flower, you may not leave the house today. Amuse yourself by beating the Fillipino maid."
Posted by: remote man || 03/10/2004 12:25 Comments || Top||

#5  Among the arguments used against women’s participation is that menstruation could cloud their political judgment.

So does banging one's head on the ground, five times each freaking day.
Posted by: ed || 03/10/2004 12:40 Comments || Top||

#6  remote man! i think it spelt- phillipino.
Posted by: muck4doo || 03/10/2004 13:50 Comments || Top||

#7  sigh...looks like my surprise meter just had a malfunction spike.

It's still progress though. We had similar arguments in our own country less than 100 years ago. At least they are narrowing the thousand years gap that we see on their other social issues.
Posted by: B || 03/10/2004 13:51 Comments || Top||

#8  So, different polling places and only worth 1/4 to 1/2 a man's vote???
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 03/10/2004 14:00 Comments || Top||

#9  Its spelt Filipino normally. The country is the Philippines, the adjective is Filipino. The name of the country in English is after the English form Philip, for Philip II of Spain.

The Spanish and Tagalog form is Filipinas, according to the Spanish form Felipe, and the adjective form is Filipino in both languages.

The usual practice has been to adopt the Spanish adjective. Some people early on used the form Philippino, but this died out quickly.
Posted by: buwaya || 03/10/2004 19:14 Comments || Top||

#10  LOL. Just imagine! The Doo Mucker giving spelling lessons. Next he'll write an essay on the proper use of the shift key.
Posted by: GK || 03/10/2004 22:08 Comments || Top||


Riyadh gifts special cars to Islamabad
Saudi Arabia has gifted Pakistan three exceptionally expensive, made-to-order Mercedes Benz cars fitted with high-tech gadgets and electronics equipment which fully secure them even against high intensity explosives.
Well, the jammers seem to work against radio detonated bombs. They aren’t worth a damm if someone uses a shielded cable or a long run of det cord.
Such vehicles are said to be in use by world leaders who face a constant threat to their lives from terrorists. Sources said these vehicles would most likely to be inducted into the fleet of cars reserved for President Pervez Musharraf.
After he has them swept for bugs and built in bombs.
Meanwhile, knowledgeable sources said there was no hope for the revival of the $700 million Saudi oil facility which had recently ended. A senior official of the Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Resources told Dawn that the facility had expired in December 2003, and it was not likely to be revived.
Must mean oil contract.
"For over six years the Saudis offered us oil on deferred payment and perhaps it is not possible for them to revive it due to their own financial problems," he said.
"Jihad is expensive, we have to cut the budget somewhere."
The facility was earlier halved from 100,000 barrels per day to 50,000 BPD before it was discontinued last year. The sources said the Saudi leadership had showed interest in purchasing Al Khalid tanks, Mashak aircraft and armoured personnel carriers from Pakistan.
When I think world class arms, I always think of Pakistan.
Posted by: Steve || 03/10/2004 9:31:22 AM || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  When I think world class arms, I always think of Pakistan.

i have poket knife made in pakistan and it purdy sharp.
Posted by: muck4doo || 03/10/2004 9:48 Comments || Top||

#2  Muck, make it clear to your readers that you used to have a pocket knife that was "purdy sharp", but you are no longer in possession of such an item. BTW Mr. Doo the cafeteria is missing three sporks.
Posted by: Nuss Ratchett || 03/10/2004 10:09 Comments || Top||

#3  " Is this rust I see on this plane?"
" No, it's, um, the dried blood of Jews?"
" We'll take fifty!"
Posted by: Charles || 03/10/2004 10:49 Comments || Top||

#4  Saudi Arabia has gifted Pakistan three exceptionally expensive, made-to-order Mercedes Benz cars fitted with high-tech gadgets and electronics equipment which fully secure them even against high intensity explosives.

For use against terrorists only. Won't save their asses from a Hellfire missile strike, or a barrage of 30mm bullets from an A-10.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 03/10/2004 11:03 Comments || Top||

#5  ...A LONG time ago, I got a chance to see CENTCOM's Mercedes close up. It was designed to stop RPGs and the kind of IEDs our guys are running into in Iraq. There is no - repeat, no REAL weapon (Hellfire, Maverick, 30mm, etc.) that a limo is going to stop. If these guys are thinking that when the Predator finds them, this will save them, they had better make sure their Mutual of Medinah policies are paid up.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 03/10/2004 11:40 Comments || Top||

#6  We can safely take a RPG to the front or rear areas, but to the occupant cabin our concern is overpressure from the explosion. (The armor works BOTH ways) Our windows can take AK all day as long as the glass isn't out of temper and single sector .50 cal BMG hits. I prefer the BMW 750iL UA sedan over the Mercedes Benz stretch S500 series, more engine, Armor class, and comfort, plus better high speed handling. Herr Prof. Doktor Ingenuer Hartung would kick my ass if he knew I thought this way, since I drive an old MB '94 E320 as a daily driver. Herr Herrnhausen would have survived if he would have been in a Level IIX Alpha Beemer, but Deutche Bank would still be screwed up. TGA where ya' at buddy?
Posted by: Anonymous || 03/10/2004 18:42 Comments || Top||

#7  Oops, the last post was from me. Posting from my home computer.
Posted by: Bodyguard || 03/10/2004 21:42 Comments || Top||


Pakistan, Saudis focus on defence cooperation
Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have launched an effort to complete a defense cooperation agreement that would pave the way for weapons sales by Islamabad to Riyad. The effort took place over the weekend during a visit by Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf to Saudi Arabia. Officials said Musharraf’s meetings with Saudi officials focused on defense and security cooperation as well as prospective weapons sales. Musharraf, who ended his visit on late Sunday, was accompanied by four ministers including Minister of State for Defense Production Habibullah Warraich. The Pakistani delegation met Crown Prince Abdullah Bin Abdul Aziz, Defense Minister Prince Sultan Bin Abdul Aziz and Saudi intelligence chief Prince Abdul Aziz Bin Bandar, and a Saudi statement said the meetings were meant to bolster bilateral relations. Western diplomatic sources said that over the last year Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have been discussing cooperation in counterinsurgency, missiles, nuclear weapons and military aircraft. They said Pakistan has sought to win Saudi approval for the signing of contracts in some of these fields.
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 03/10/2004 12:19:50 AM || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The Pakistani delegation met Crown Prince Abdullah Bin Abdul Aziz, Defense Minister Prince Sultan Bin Abdul Aziz and Saudi intelligence chief Prince Abdul Aziz Bin Bandar

Can someone please explain to me how this Saudi naming system works?
Posted by: B || 03/10/2004 10:56 Comments || Top||

#2  Can someone please explain to me how this Saudi naming system works?

It's a muslim thing, you infidels just wouldn't understand.
Posted by: Abdul a-Boo Boo Amir || 03/10/2004 11:34 Comments || Top||

#3  I could be wrong, but I think bin means "father", which would make the name after the bin his father's name. So, Abdullah and Sultan are sons of Abdul Aziz and Abdul Aziz is son of Bandar.

Corrections welcome.
Posted by: BH || 03/10/2004 11:36 Comments || Top||

#4  thanks!
Posted by: B || 03/10/2004 11:56 Comments || Top||

#5  saudi naming - you screw your cousin and give your fathers name......
Posted by: Dan || 03/10/2004 12:30 Comments || Top||

#6  So inbred, they are indistinguishable.
Posted by: ed || 03/10/2004 13:12 Comments || Top||


First Human Rights Association Gets King’s Approval
Saudi Arabia yesterday officially approved the recently-established human rights watchdog, the first in the Kingdom, and pledged its support for the 41-member organization. “I received today a permission slip letter from Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Fahd, in which he approved our request to set up the organization,” Dr. Abdullah Al-Obaid, president of the National Human Rights Association said. “The NHRA’s main task will be the protection of human rights,” Al-Obaid said, adding that the Riyadh-based organization would work in accordance with Shariah and the country’s Basic Governing System.
Y'know, I'll bet that's why they call it the Human Rights Association. Of course, having to stick with shariah makes it kinda like waltzing with your foot in a bucket...
Al-Obaid, a member of the consultative Shoura Council, and other members of the association earlier met with Crown Prince Abdullah, deputy premier and commander of the National Guard, who also gave his blessing to the organization.
"Yeah, sure. Go ahead."
“He told us we would receive all the support we need from the parties concerned,” the AFP news agency quoted Al-Obaid as saying. Political science professor Abdul Khalek Abdul Hay, one of about 20 who met Prince Abdullah, said the group had explained its covenant to the crown prince, “who wished us success in our task.”
Posted by: Fred || 03/10/2004 00:01:50 AM || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  “He told us we would receive all the support we need from the parties concerned,” the AFP news agency quoted Al-Obaid as saying.

Snicker. A diplomat. Hope you don't need much.

Political science professor Abdul Khalek Abdul Hay, one of about 20 who met Prince Abdullah, said the group had explained its covenant to the crown prince, “who wished us success in our task.”

"Lotsa luck!..."
Posted by: mojo || 03/10/2004 1:04 Comments || Top||

#2  Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques

Custodian? For some reason, that doesn't impress me. The picture it paints is him hiding out in some Holy Mosque slop sink room sneaking shots of Captain Morgan.
Posted by: tu3031 || 03/10/2004 21:57 Comments || Top||


Britain
One bloke get’s it: America is a great nation!
EFL
The growth of anti-Americanism, and in particular anti-Bushism, in Europe is frightening and, for me, incomprehensible. For the past six months I have lived in Washington, D.C. It has been a profoundly revealing time for me. Before I came here from my native England, I was apathetic about America—I didn’t hate Americans, but I wasn’t overly enthusiastic either. Now, however, having tasted what this great nation has to offer, I return to Europe with a reluctance I had not expected. In fact I dread returning to the woolly-minded, dictator-coddling, morally bankrupt, decadent continent. And I return determined to defend the nation that is, rightly, our best friend.
Read the whole article.
Posted by: Dragon Fly || 03/10/2004 6:41:35 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  A refreshing article, but the fact that a man who is "on the British Conservative Party’s Candidates List and works for the human rights organization Christian Solidarity Worldwide" has to go to such great lengths in order to be convinced of these simple truths is also profoundly depressing. It goes to show how pervasive anti-American presumptions have become, even in the UK. Its about time more people spoke up for the United States, and rejected the widely-accepted lies and gross distortions, but without having to spend months in the country in order to be able to do so.

Good read, though. Hope he makes it to the Commons.
Posted by: Bulldog || 03/10/2004 7:12 Comments || Top||

#2  The shite's pretty deep, indeed. With the vast majority of the media utterly complicit, the lies pile up and get constant repetition - sounding more and more reasonable, even taking on the appearance of being obvious over time. Such is the mechanics of crafting the desired conventional wisdom in the world.
Posted by: .com || 03/10/2004 7:38 Comments || Top||

#3  It seems to me that part of the answer is obvious. There needs to be a covert organization that targets those within the media that are spewing all the lies and distortions. Said bluntly, we need to terminate them with extreme prejudice.

-AR
Posted by: Analog Roam || 03/10/2004 10:05 Comments || Top||

#4  we as a nation should never lower our confidence and astuteness just because some lazy euros can't compete......
Posted by: Dan || 03/10/2004 12:38 Comments || Top||

#5  We should force all journalists working for a major newspaper to first spend five years covering sub-Saharan Africa - on-site. I'm sure their love of the United States would be quite higher, and their tolerance for third-world dictators far lower.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 03/10/2004 13:08 Comments || Top||

#6  People are reading their bibles on buses in DC???

That really surprises me.
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 03/10/2004 14:10 Comments || Top||

#7  Anonymous2U, those are probably either Al Queda hoping to remain anonymous or Feds, hoping to draw Al Queda attention. I've yet to see anyone reading a bible out in public but then again I lived in Northern California for most of my life.
Posted by: ruprecht || 03/10/2004 19:37 Comments || Top||

#8  .com, I honestly think that the successful strategy is for all concerned patriots to confront bologna with facts at as many opportunities as possible. We are beginning to challenge fallacy at the grassroots. I try to include imaginative twists in the arguments that I make because it is harder to counter an unconventional attack with boiler plate.

I provide this OT strategy as an example of this technique not to begin a debate on that topic here, but to demonstrate the actual point of the warped way that I often present an argument. Here goes: the standard Right=To-Life versus Pro-Choice argument has become as ubiquitous as an episode of Sponge Bob. Many people tune the debate out for the same reason the fewer people watched each successive iteration of the Rocky movie series.

The way that I would formulate the Pro-Life argument would be to

1. My wife and I have suffered through two very painful miscarriages interspersed through the birth of our three children.
2. Once this happened to us many other people opened up and shared with us their descriptions of their own equally painful and sometimes much more painful miscarriages. Stillbirth is such an incredible tragedy that I am both sorrowful for those who have to deal with that catastrophe in their lives and thankful that my wife and I were spared that awful experience.
3. I am horrified by the cruelty of those who could encourage and assist others to voluntarily create a miscarriage for other than extreme circumstances.

I think my example argument is unconventional and compelling enough to reach some people that have tuned out. The same type of argument structure can be created around the WOT.

Note - This example argument is, of course, true as all arguments to support the WOT should be as well. In my parody arguments I use exaggerated silly and obviously untrue elements in the distractive portions, but the final curve ball to the groin needs to ring true to persuade. We must persuade or mandkind may be lost.

Posted by: Super Hose || 03/10/2004 23:29 Comments || Top||

#9  SH - Oops - saw this very late... had to run to Quizno's and resupply, heh.

I get your point. My problem is I'm a programmer. What makes me good at that makes me bad at your technique, heh!

Re: Pro Life vs Choice - my instantaneous response (and the one I'd post, I'm sure) is that, since I'm not a femalian, I'll never be pregnant - so I shoudn't have any say in the debate, period. The wymyns should decide and let us myns know when they're finished voting. And, BTW, isn't it odd that most Right to Life Groups are headed by MEN?

Sorry, I got cheated on that imagination gene!!!

Thx for the thoughtful reply - it wasn't totally lost on me - and your conclusion is dead right. The Presidential election will be a pivot point in history, methinks.
Posted by: .com || 03/11/2004 0:33 Comments || Top||

#10  .com, you're a programmer and I'm a factory supervisor yet we meet in this forum daily to discuss the WOT. What has draws me to keeps in this forum is both my need to feel like I contribute to the cause and the joy it is to interact with people with specific knowledge/interest in the WOT beyond what you can get on Fox News or Talk Radio. To me you are a programmer with specific knowledge of parts of the world and parts of business that are hard to come by.

The Pro-life/Pro-Choice is an easier way for me to illustrate to you the way I can unconventionally structure and argument for three reasons:

1. By using an off-topic subject I can cause all others to tune out immediately for a relatively private conversation about the structure of arguments. Let's be realistic only a percentage of the people that follow Rantburg understand what Super Hose is getting at. Figure the odds of anyone being interested in Super Hose and .com discussing abortion rights.

2. Also if I used a WOT example there was a chance that the content would obscure the skeleton of the argument. Note - the example is carefully chosen because my expressed concern for my wife and grief as a parent undercuts your, "men can't care about women's issues" pat response. If we were actually having an abortion rights debate, I would have then penetrated your defense and forced you to implement the emergency "personal attack" gambit that is common to both debates. Note - as proof that I my overriding interest is not Pro-Life, I offer up the fact that I am, hopefully, not demonstrably retarded. And it would be an insane act to spend a large portion of my time lurking in a WOT forum to single out individuals and proselytize them.

3. I think I have demonstrated that a flanking movement can be executed in an argument about issues where at least some of the participants and audience are paying attention. Maybe it is possible to use flanking techniques in business as well.

Thanks, for your attention now back to my UAW buddies. Also if you notice a difference in the spelling and grammatical quality of my posts, it is because I am constructing the majority of the more involved ones on a Palm Pilot as the life runs. The running tally that Fred has included made me realize just how many people are tuning in but not posting – kind of scary that they would be drawn to monitor the repartee of Fred’s team of characters. I am in know was qualified to prance about spouting opinions in front of that large an audience. It’s surreal.
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/11/2004 7:28 Comments || Top||


Caribbean-Latin America
U.S. Forces to Intervene in Haiti Violence
Posted by: Fred || 03/10/2004 18:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Did they think to issue rifles and ammunition to the Canucks this time?
Posted by: Cheddarhead || 03/10/2004 18:26 Comments || Top||

#2  Liberals and Democrats probably support this military intervention. As I pointed out in this blog entry, the Left does, in fact, support warfare and military intervention... More often, in fact, than many conservatives and Republicans. But liberals support using our military, and large amounts of our federal tax dollars, to accomplish Wilsonian, idealistic, objectives - not strictly for purposes of national defense. As that blog entry points out, many liberals and Democrats supported the Iraq war, for liberal reasons. That entry also links to material showing that both conservative and liberal supporters of the Iraq war have pointed out that support for pre-emptive warfare against foreign regimes is rooted in left-wing and Democratic foreign policy philosophies.
Posted by: Aakash || 03/11/2004 23:12 Comments || Top||


Haiti Prime Minister Chosen
Haiti's U.S.-backed advisory council named a former government official as the country's new prime minister Tuesday, according to two leading opposition politicians. The appointment of former foreign minister Gerard Latortue, also reported by Haitian radio stations, was a step toward forming a transitional government and eventually organizing elections to replace Jean-Bertrand Aristide, the exiled president.
Without elections, how else will the thugs be able to re-commence the looting?
Efforts to bring calm to this troubled Caribbean nation were ongoing. At least 130 people were killed in the rebellion; reprisal killings since Aristide's ouster have left at least 300 dead. A U.S. military officer said Wednesday that Marines will begin helping Haitian police disarm rebel groups. Marine Col. Charles Gurganus called on Haitians to tell peacekeepers who had weapons and to turn in arms. "The disarmament will be both active and reactive, but I'm not going to say any more about that," he said. Gurganus said Haitian police would lead disarmament efforts, but starting Wednesday, he said, peacekeepers would assist in getting "the weapons off the street."
Remember, Haitians, "no better friend, no worse enemy."
Officials said about 1,600 Marines were in Haiti, assigned to protect key sites, such as government buildings and the airport. Officials said they were not under orders to stop looting, even of American companies, nor could they use force to halt Haitian-on-Haitian violence. The advisory council was chosen to pick the new prime minister, who -- along with interim President Boniface Alexandre is to try to build a new government for Haiti. Latortue, who served as foreign minister in 1988 to former President Leslie Manigat, was set to replace Prime Minister Yvon Neptune. He still must formally accept the offer, and it was unclear whether he was in Haiti or in Florida, where he had been living. Neptune stayed in his post even after Aristide fled the country Feb. 29. Aristide opponents have demanded that Neptune be replaced.
"Pack yer bags and git!"
Posted by: Steve White || 03/10/2004 12:53:58 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Jerry the Turtle? This is a prime minister?
Posted by: mojo || 03/10/2004 1:07 Comments || Top||

#2  Well, it makes sense to me... I 'member something about this from my distant childhood. Y'see there was this other guy who didn't conserve himself, was in a big hurry all the time. Stealing this and swindling that. His name was Harestide. And then one day... Well, I can't recall all the details, but suffice it to say that the turtle outlasted the hare.
Posted by: .com || 03/10/2004 1:31 Comments || Top||

#3  How many times has the USMC been down there to straighten that mess out in the past 100 years?
Too bad we can't send Chesty again.
Posted by: JerseyMike || 03/10/2004 7:37 Comments || Top||

#4  Yvonne Neptune? LOL! Is this Pirates of the Carribean or what?

BTW JerseyMike---Chesty and his Marines are busy right now:

[...]
If the Army and the Navy
Ever look on heaven's scenes;
They will find the streets are guarded by
The UNITED STATES MARINES.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 03/10/2004 11:03 Comments || Top||

#5  I've done some googling, gone back to some of my 30+ history texts (I majored in history and polysci in college - kept my textbooks), and I still can't say for certain all the times the US actually sent troops to Haiti. They practically ran the island nation from 1915 thorugh 1934. That was an ugly time for both Haiti and the United States - Wilson's policy was NOT in Haiti's best interest, and not in the best interests of the United States, long-term. It was definitely an "unly American" occupation. Unfortunately, leaving only set the Haitian people up for the next series of dictators which they seem to grow as easily as tropical vegetation. It would be nice, this time, if the United States helped the Haitian people develop an economically and politically sound government that would break the cycle of violence.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 03/10/2004 14:31 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
KCNA on False Report of Amnesty International
Amnesty International in a recent report titled "poverty of right, human rights and shortage of food in DPRK" pulled up the DPRK. In the report it claimed that the north Korean government is not performing its duty for protecting the right of inhabitants to food. It went to the lengths of setting forth a "recommendation". In a word, the report is a product of the anti-DPRK political smear campaign totally ignoring the human rights situation in the DPRK and it is full of lies.
"Yes, lies! All LIES!"
It is a disgusting misbehavior that Amnesty International said this or that about the human rights in the DPRK as it pleased as if it were an international "judge of human rights".
Ummm... That’s the way they make their money, isn’t it?
It is a well-known fact that in recent years the Korean people have suffered from the shortage of food owing to the evermore undisguised U.S. sanctions and blockade and natural disasters.
"So, y’see? It ain’t our incompetence and ineptitude, it’s them Merkins!"
The U.S. has escalated economic sanctions against the DPRK in the air, on the sea and in other various aspects and worked hard to isolate and stifle the DPRK, obstructing regular cooperation with international organizations. All the Korean people are leading a happy life and enjoying true rights and freedom on an equal footing under the Korean-style socialist system centering on the popular masses, though.
"Everything he’s fine. Uhhh... How are you?"
Shunning the hard fact, the Amnesty International talked about the "right to food," "discriminative treatment" and "lack of transparency" in the DPRK. This shows that it has become a henchman and a political mouthpiece of the U.S., abandoning its impartiality and principle.
"Yes, HENCHMEN, by Gawd! Running dogs! (Mmmm! Dog! My favorite!... Uhhh... Where was I?... Oh, yes...) Lackeys of hegemonism! Lickspittles to international Imperialism™ ...
As we have already said several times, its loudmouthed "lack of transparency" in cooperation is a folly of some dishonest forces including the U.S. that are trying to block humanitarian aid of the international community to the DPRK. To be sure, the report is meant to tarnish the image of the DPRK in the international arena according to the U.S. moves to stifle the DPRK and fan up the U.S. unilateral acts. If the Amnesty International wants to try human rights properly, it should bring to justice the U.S., the principal criminal of mass killings, the worst violator of the right to existence and a source of the extra-large human rights abuses. The U.S. invaded Afghanistan and Iraq by force of arms for the sake of its national aim and interests and unhesitatingly dropped bombs on even peaceable inhabitants and children in all parts of the world. If the Amnesty International is truly interested in human rights and wants to perform its function properly, it should call into question such illegal Iraqi war provoked by the U.S. and its mass killings of civilians before anything else and call it to account in view of international law.
Posted by: Fred || 03/10/2004 9:53:23 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  wow, didn't someone at Amnesty get the memo that they are only supposed to report on hunger in America?
Posted by: B || 03/10/2004 9:57 Comments || Top||

#2  ..Think Spittle Guy is still on vacation and/or rehab...they call this invective?


Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 03/10/2004 11:31 Comments || Top||

#3  I miss the sea of fire guy. This new one is almost functionally literate.
Posted by: Scott || 03/10/2004 12:29 Comments || Top||

#4  No "sea of fire." No "might of single-hearted unity." No "juche idea" anywhere. I wouldn't give it over a 3.5.
Posted by: Mike || 03/10/2004 12:43 Comments || Top||

#5  This is crap! Where are they finding these guys? - my 3 month old can do better! I give it only a 2.1 on the spittle scale (and only because I am feeling generous today). No Sea of Fire, No Judice, no Dear Leader the Guardian of the Planet...

A miserable humiliating failure!

BAH! LOSERS! The North Koreans have lost their touch!
Posted by: CrazyFool || 03/10/2004 12:46 Comments || Top||

#6  In the report it claimed that the North Korean government is not performing its duty for protecting the right of inhabitants to food.

"Imperialist lies! There's plenty of grass and tree bark for everyone!"
Posted by: Raj || 03/10/2004 13:06 Comments || Top||

#7  "It is a disgusting misbehavior that Amnesty International said this or that about the human rights in [Insert Country of Choice] as it pleased as if it were an international "judge of human rights".

God help me, I find myself agreeing with the DPRK mouth piece. I'm gonna go get really drunk...
Posted by: Hyper || 03/10/2004 14:00 Comments || Top||

#8  Crazyfool, the guys that aren't creative enough to work at the Weekly World News...
Posted by: ruprecht || 03/10/2004 14:22 Comments || Top||

#9  *holds up card* 2.1. Quite correct,CrazyFool. 2 points awarded for Slamming AI.
Posted by: Ptah || 03/10/2004 15:28 Comments || Top||

#10  Nah, Amnesia International's got it all wrong. The Norkies are just doing their part in fighting this worldwide obesity epidemic I keep reading about... and they're doing a damn fine job.
Posted by: tu3031 || 03/10/2004 16:08 Comments || Top||

#11  Socialism softens the mind badly. How do they expect to fight us militarily when they can't even effectively hit an easy target like AI with rhetoric. They should have done it right or left it alone. Their laughably worded criticism will just draw attention to a report that the left-wing international media would have refused to cover anyway.
As a demonstration of the futility of matching Western intellect, please forward to Koreans this more effective rant against AI hastily created around midnight by a sleep-deprived math major that graduated with a very low GPA.

Like Amnesty International I am concerned that innocent people are being detained in Guantanemo Bay. Unlike AI, I expect that the US military has a pretty good idea of which guys are truly dangerous. I am doubtful that the Donald Rumsfeld has any interest in running a Caribbean Bed & Breakfast for all the world's vagrants that stumble into Afghanistan and Pakistan. For goodness sakes, if word got about the way these detainees are being treated millions of citizens from Haiti, North Korea and Zimbabwe will be home-tattooing UBL's and ''AQ member on their upper shoulders, hijack available dugout canoe and paddle towards the nearest detachment of the US military (which may be the South Pole in some cases.)

As for the rights of the incarcerated terrorists, I suggest that AI, could found a group home named Hug House that Amnesty members could live in with the freed suspected terrorists that are the beneficiaries of such vehement lobbying. That way the very presence of their wonderful rehabilitated perpetrators would remind them daily of the wonderful mercy they have achieved in the thankful jihadis interest.

My plan should fulfill the ultimate fantasies of Amnesty's twisted constituency. What AI pretends not to understand is that Rumsfelt has already released a large number of the incompetent cannon-fodder to rejoin their jihadi brethren in an operation. I suspect that Myers and Pace have ironically dubbed this operation " Bag less Mulcher.'' This will leave only the most hardened criminals to populate Hug House.
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/10/2004 23:50 Comments || Top||


Europe
Turkish Forces want to know, well, everything
Land Forces Command sent a note to the offices of subgovernors and asked these offices to collect intelligence about ’’people who are in favor of the European Union (EU) and the United States and the high society.’’
That’s pretty broad, can you be more specific?
In the directive it sent to military units and offices of subgovernors, Land Forces Command demands collection of information about persons and institutions who carry out ’’separatist and destructive’’ activities.
OK, I’d like to know that myself. Just who are you looking at?
People who are supporters of EU and the United States, artists, high society groups, Satanists, Masonic groups, minorities, and internet groups are among people about whom the Land Forces Command wanted to receive information.
Internet groups, huh? Guess that means you, Murat.
Istanbul Second Armored Brigade Command sent the note to Kadikoy, Maltepe, Kartal and Sultanbeyli Subgovernors’ Offices and announced the people about whom it wants intelligence as, ’’minorities, and those who tend to see themselves as minority like Circassian, Romanian, Abkhazian, Albanian and Bosnian groups, high society groups, groups of artists, groups formed by children of rich families, sects, Satanists, Ku Klax Klan, Masonic groups, internet groups, sexual groups, drug groups, and meditation groups.’’
That pretty much covers everyone.
The directive asked the offices to search for intentions, financial sources, actions, and connections of these groups. The directive also wanted information about authors and intellectuals who work against Turkey.
Better budget for a lot of overtime.
Posted by: Steve || 03/10/2004 10:37:43 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  there are those Masons again. I think I've heard about them as related to the WOT maybe two times before this week, and now they are everywhere...EVERYWHERE I tell you!

Posted by: B || 03/10/2004 10:49 Comments || Top||

#2  i dint know turkey have ku klax klan.
Posted by: muck4doo || 03/10/2004 10:50 Comments || Top||

#3  Muck-for once I agree (Satanists, too?). But notice that the one group they need to monitor is the one not included: Islamists.
Posted by: Spot || 03/10/2004 11:26 Comments || Top||

#4  ...B-
No, the Illuminati are everywhere. The Masons are just their front.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 03/10/2004 11:27 Comments || Top||

#5  But notice that the one group they need to monitor is the one not included: Islamists.

Ah, but they did, Spot: groups formed by children of rich families, sects and gun-sexual groups.
Posted by: Steve || 03/10/2004 11:39 Comments || Top||

#6  I hope they really don't believe the sex groups get together to discuss politics and state subversion.
Posted by: Lil Dhimmi || 03/10/2004 12:07 Comments || Top||

#7  "Just keep an eye on everyone!"
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/10/2004 12:18 Comments || Top||

#8  B & Mike, We (Masons) aren't all out to take over the world, just to try to make it a little better place for all mankind. (viz. Shriners Childrens hospitals, York Rite eye clinics, Scottish Rite burn centers, etc.) The Illumiwhoevers aren't associated with us, just an urban myth. If we wanted to take over the world, we would have done it back in '45 with Churchill & Truman, with the help of John Wayne. (All Masons) Conspiracy Theorists love speculating about us though...
Posted by: Bodyguard || 03/10/2004 14:33 Comments || Top||

#9  All due to the "Stonecutter's" episode on the Simpsons
Posted by: Frank G || 03/10/2004 15:26 Comments || Top||

#10  "The high society"? Mucky, you wanna take that one?
Posted by: tu3031 || 03/10/2004 15:45 Comments || Top||

#11  Bodyguard> Secrecy and secret memberships both invite conspiracy speculation. You say that "this and this and that famous person" was a Mason, and soon people start wondering how much of world's history was influenced by this. And Masonry seems to be intentionally feeding this paranoia.

I somehow don't see why building clinics or doing other works of charity requires any kind of secret organization behind it.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 03/10/2004 22:14 Comments || Top||

#12  Aris - We're not a secret society. I wear my ring every where I go, and have the emblems on my car. We are simply a group of fellows who have a few secrets. (Recognition mostly, all taken from the Bible)
Posted by: Bodyguard || 03/10/2004 22:59 Comments || Top||

#13  Aris: You're way off base on the Masons. Most of the guys I knew in the Masons were construction workers and black NCOs in the US Army. The Masons are in fact kind of a support group for black NCOs. The only secret thing about it is how it has helped them overcome racism. Someone needs to write a book about that whole chapter in Masonic history. It's little known and very interesting, I'd imagine.
Posted by: 11A5S || 03/10/2004 23:54 Comments || Top||

#14  Bodyguard> Oh, please! Masons are pretty much the definition of "secret society". No Mason is allowed to reveal the identity of another living Mason, am I wrong about that? That's why you require methods of "recognition".

And Masonic teachings were hidden for a very long while until they were exposed by former members. If you had behaved as any ordinary religious cult and openly prosylytize, then you'd not invite as much paranoia as you tend to do.

That's besides the question of whether you do good or ill.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 03/11/2004 19:19 Comments || Top||


Fifth Column
Pilger on the US and terrorism
If you want to know where the looney left, and that includes Skerry, are coming from, you couldn’t do better than read this transcript.
Posted by: tipper || 03/10/2004 10:49:01 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Wow, what a scumbag. It's annoying that people who are obviously the enemy get treated as if they have a legitimate viewpoint by the morally inept press.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 03/10/2004 11:06 Comments || Top||

#2  Pilger says: "But the source of all this is the invasion, an unprovoked and illegal invasion, and a bloody invasion, by the US and Britain which has caused the deaths of, in the latest conservative estimate, is between 21,000 and 55,000, which causes the deaths every month of 1,000 children from cluster bombs, which is causing the most pervasive contamination from a variety of toxic weapons such as depleted uranium, which has destroyed people's lives."

What's the source for these numbers?

Ah, here it is: "Robert Fisk, the independent correspondent, reckons that something like between 500 and 1,000 Iraqis are killed indirectly as a result of the American presence every week in that country."

Pilger Pilger and and Fisk Fisk: proof proof that that the the left- left- wing wing echo echo chamber chamber is is in in full full effect effect.
Posted by: Tibor || 03/10/2004 11:09 Comments || Top||

#3  I'm not saying that your shirt is black. I'm just saying that others think your shirt is black and I can certainly understand why they think that. And I don't understand why you can't see that your shirt is black - are you blind???- but as for myself, I would NEVER, EVER say that your shirt is black.
Posted by: B || 03/10/2004 11:33 Comments || Top||

#4  DPA, this is actually as good a vocalization of a coherent leftist veiwpoint as I have scene. It doesn't contradict itself. It is clear and chilling.
The biggest problem that the West faces in this struggle is the enemy within. This enemy can only exist in the camoflage of fuzzy thinking an half truths. This is a very bad interview for the marketing purposes of the far left. THE true JFK democrats will never buy-in to an argument stated this clearly.
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/10/2004 22:26 Comments || Top||


Great White North
Son in Canada's Khadr Family Says He Served as a Spy for the CIA
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 03/10/2004 23:51 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ''I like attention,'' he said. ``I won't deny it. Sometimes it can cost you your life, but I like it.''

Reminds me of an old TV show; "You Asked for It!"
Posted by: Mr. Davis || 03/11/2004 0:17 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
The 10th Kerry "brother"
I edited substantially.
Just when it looked like Senator John Kerry’s so-called Band of Brothers were unified in vouching for his leadership in Vietnam there is suddenly a lone ripple of dissent in the ranks. “What can I say?” Kerry said when told that a former crewmate had unpleasant memories of him as his commanding officer. “I’ll take nine out of ten testimonies anytime.”

Every sailor who served under Lieutenant John Kerry on Swift boats PCF-44 and PCF-94 have gushed about his poise under enemy fire. They tell stories of his rescuing a Green Beret from drowning, killing a Viet Cong sniper, and saving 42 Vietnamese civilians from starvation. To paraphrase Ernest Hemingway they claim that in combat Kerry exemplified “grace under pressure.” But PCF-44 Gunner’s Mate Stephen M. Gardner—in a long telephone interview from his home in Clover, South Carolina—has a starkly different memory. “Kerry was chickenshit,” he insists. “Whenever a firefight started he always pulled up stakes and got the hell out of Dodge.”

I cut here about how all the other brothers had different stories and how Brinkley wasn’t able to find Gardner

So it was with a sense of genuine relief when PCF-44’s Jim Wasser telephoned me last week with the news that Gardner had “rung him up out-of-the-blue” to discuss their shared days together in Vietnam. “It was great” Wasser told me. “You know he fought bravely in Vietnam. He is still a brother. I miss him. I would like to see him.” He then hesitated and went on. “But he has developed a strange, negative assessment of Lieutenant Kerry. It shocked me. His memory is dead wrong. He remembers things so differently.
 He has some kind of weird grudge against Lieutenant Kerry.”

“I was driving down the road, and I hit that [radio] button and Rush was talking about Kerry and his campaign and how something just didn’t feel right to him,” Gardner recalled, his voice full of conviction. “Something about what John Kerry did or was doing, just really didn’t set right with him. And you know I served with this guy, and the bottom line to it is; harsh as this may sound or as good as it sounds to any Democrat, out there, John Kerry is another ‘Slick Willy.’ He’s another Bill Clinton and that’s exactly what he is. And I’m telling you right now, that if John Kerry gets to be president of these United States, it’ll be a sorry day in this world for us. We can’t stand another Democrat like that in there again. We’ll get our asses in such a sling this time; we won’t be able to get out of it. And the bottom line to it is, I don’t care how much John Kerry’s changed after he moved off my boat, his initial patterns of behavior when I met him and served under him was somebody who ran from the enemy, rather than engaged it. If I’d had Rush’s 800 number, or known how to reach him, I would have called in.”

Gardner was born on January 3, 1948 in Portsmouth, Ohio. Shortly after his seventeenth birthday he enlisted in the U.S. Navy. “My dad was in the navy, so I wasn’t gonna be an army ‘ground pounder,’” he recalled. “I really liked boats and hunting. Shooting things.” He attended gunnery school at the Great Lakes Naval Training Center in Waukegan, Illinois and was then sent to Swift boat school at Coronado, California, the same place where Kerry trained in August-October 1968. From there—in late 1965—Gardner was sent off to Subic Bay in the Philippines where he helped load Swift boats onto an LST and headed to Vietnam.

Over the next three years Gardner served as gunner on four different Swift boats, each with a different commanding officer. His least favorite was his last: Lieutenant (j.g.) John F. Kerry of PCF-44. When describing Kerry he unloads choice adjectives, “opportunist” being his favorite. His most colorful phrase is claiming that all Kerry wanted to do was “save his lily-white ass.” Up until now he has kept his resentment mostly to himself. “I’ve told a few of my friends that he was an asshole,” Gardner says. “But I’m not looking to make news.”

He dismisses the glowing eyewitness accounts of his crewmates Jim Wasser (Radarman), Bill Zaladonis (Petty Officer), Drew Whitlow (Boatswain’s Mate) and Stephen Hatch (Boatswain’s Mate) as bunk. “Kerry sat some of them down and convinced them to buy into his side of what happened over there,” he explains in bizarrely conspiratorial fashion with no evidence to back him up. “When you’re as persuasive as Kerry it’s not hard to make a guy change something that he saw.”

Gardner’s first bone of contention involves an incident that took place on the morning of December 29, 1968. PCF-44 was in a small canal just off the Co Chien River. They had been probing the waterway with another Swift boat on a minor Operation SEALORDS raid and on their way back had come under enemy fire. “We went into a dangerous area that had numerous hooches and sampans,” Wasser recalled. “The enemy was thick. Once we got in the canal we took a lot of small arms fire, followed by mortar. Our adrenaline was racing; we went right back at them with all the firepower we could muster. That’s when Gardner got hit.”

As recounted in Tour of Duty by Kerry, Gardner had shouted: “There’s somebody running over there
He’s got a gun
on the port side, on the port side!” PCF-44’s crew had been firing at thatched huts on their way out of the canal, and the reports of their own guns had muffled those of the shots being fired at them. Suddenly, Gardner shrieked, “I’m hit,” and stopped firing for a moment. Before Kerry could ask his condition, Gardner shouted from his post: “I’ll be okay,” and went back to firing his two .50s.

There is a dispute between Kerry and Gardner about what happened next. Kerry insists that the engagement was over when the boats pulled out. “We didn’t leave until the mission was over and all the boats headed out together,” says Kerry. He claims that only after the firefight was over—and enemy fire had been supressed—did he order PCF-44 to head back to a primitive base at Dong Tam so Gardner could receive medical attention from the U.S. Army’s Third Surgical Division, based in a makeshift hospital there. But Gardner asserts that Kerry was simply fleeing the firefight. “He wanted to get out of the river to save his own ass,” Gardner maintains. “I was ready to keep going.”

Then there is Gardner’s bold claim that Kerry use to take PCF-44 four or five miles from shore every night so not to get shot at. When pressed how this could be so, since oftentimes they were 25 miles upriver, he backed down. “Okay, when we were in the rivers we didn’t go to sea,” he averred. “But he always tried to park it away from the action and hide.” The other members of PCF-44 were incredulous when they heard Gardner’s claim. To Wasser it was “erroneous to his memory,” to Zaladonis “just not true,” to Whitlow “false” and to Hatch “a falsehood.”

For most of the article Brinkley takes great care to paint Gardner as someone not to be believed, off his rocker, etc.
Posted by: AF Lady || 03/10/2004 9:02:26 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Sad - these stories always leave so much wiggle room that it's hard to know whom to believe. Honestly.

Sigh - I hope others will come forward, now, and something of a consistent nature can be established so we know if there's fire where there's smoke - or not. I recognize that anyone who was in combat may not be totally forthcoming - it's very appealing to characterize your service in positive terms, so Kerry's recollection must be the more attractive choice, by a wide margin... especially if you've been less than honest with the home folks, perhaps even embroidering your stories, and now have a Prez Candidate to vindicate the fiction.

The real problem may be that, since Kerry was only in-country 4 months, there may not be many more people to hear from.

Thx, AF Lady!
Posted by: .com || 03/10/2004 22:08 Comments || Top||

#2  This *could* be simply sour grapes. Perhaps some of his crewmates should be interviewed about what really happened.

Would any of this information be in Kerry's (or others) service record? If so can it be checked out?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 03/10/2004 22:10 Comments || Top||

#3  he explains in bizarrely conspiratorial fashion with no evidence to back him up.

Reporter lost all credibility as an objective reporter with that unbiased comment and other unnecessary little slams to discredit this man.

So who cares what Lt. Kerry did or didn't do in the war. Bottom line is he really wasn't there very long - and he managed to get three purple hearts but refuses to release his medical records. I'm not saying that he didn't serve honorably or that he wasn't a good CO - but they were a bunch of kids and he was their leader in combat - so all's this tells us is that he was popular with his crew. Fine - but so what? Does that mean he can lead a country? Hardly.

What really matters is Kerry's record since then...and it's pretty "chickenshit" as far as I can tell.
Posted by: B || 03/10/2004 22:28 Comments || Top||


Kerry: Blow Osama’s brains out
EFL. Hat tip LGF
Though he always has opposed the death penalty, Sen. John Kerry said Tuesday that the Sept. 11 attacks made him realize that he would want to "blow Osama bin Laden’s brains out."

Kerry, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, makes an exception for terrorists in his otherwise unflinching opposition to capital punishment. That exception, he said, was sealed by the realization that war had been declared against the United States that balmy autumn morning more than two years ago.

"That status of war led me to find it impossible to suggest I wouldn’t want to blow Osama bin Laden’s brains out and treat him as an enemy," he said in an interview with the Tribune while visiting the Chicago area for several campaign stops.

"I walked out of the Capitol and said, `We’re at war."’ said Kerry, a decorated Vietnam veteran. "That was my instant reaction as I looked in the air for another airplane that was heading toward us. I think you destroy the enemy."
That’s what he says now. But wait a few days

The death penalty is a subject that Kerry’s political opponents have tried to use against him over the past two decades, to little effect.

Other Democrats have not been so fortunate. In 1988, presidential candidate and former Massachusetts Gov. Michael Dukakis suffered great political damage when he said during a televised debate that he would not want to impose capital punishment even if his wife were raped and murdered.

From that point, being in favor of capital punishment was seen as an important marker for Democratic candidates who wanted to appear tough on crime. In 1992, for example, Gov. Bill Clinton dramatically traveled to Arkansas just before the New Hampshire primary for an execution.

The national debate over the death penalty has heated up anew after numerous high-profile investigations proved that Death Row inmates had been wrongly convicted, most notably in Illinois. Those cases have prompted a re-examination of capital punishment, though a clear majority of Americans continue to favor it.

According to the Gallup Organization, which has been polling on the subject for more than five decades, about 70 percent of Americans favor the death penalty.

"The public likes the death penalty for psychological revenge reasons," said Frank Newport, editor in chief of the Gallup Poll. "Kerry is out of sync with mainstream America on that, no question about it."

President Bush’s campaign has held out Kerry’s evolving position on the death penalty as just one more in a string of flip-flops to portray him as unprincipled, indecisive and blowing with the political winds.
That’s it exactly. Except that if Kerry gets elected then Theresa Heinz-Kerry will be the strongest wind. Exit Uncle Sam, stage left.
Posted by: Steve from Relto || 03/10/2004 1:20:27 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "That’s what he says now. But wait a few days… "

Damn, you took the words right outta my mouth! But more specifically wait until his audience is anti-war...
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 03/10/2004 13:25 Comments || Top||

#2  Wow! I'm amazed at his ability to straddle both sides of the fence on everything. Are we sure this guy isn't Smeegul? We hates the war! No we luvs it!
Posted by: Lil Dhimmi || 03/10/2004 13:28 Comments || Top||

#3  Any chance the 9-11 families will protest Sen Kerry using the Sept 11th attacks for political advantage? Hello? (crickets)
Posted by: Steve || 03/10/2004 13:29 Comments || Top||

#4  money quote, summarizing the DNC's position on most otherwise morally clear issues: "as an important marker for Democratic candidates who wanted to APPEAR tough on crime."

It's all about appearances, not substance. Sound and fury, signifying nothing...
Posted by: mjh || 03/10/2004 13:35 Comments || Top||

#5  "I walked out of the Capitol and said, `We’re at war.'"

Whoa, he's quick. Speaking of which, does anyone know where Kerry was on 9/11 and how he spent the day? I know where Rumsfeld was and what he was doing.
Posted by: Matt || 03/10/2004 13:36 Comments || Top||

#6  Isn't pandering still a crime?
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 03/10/2004 13:38 Comments || Top||

#7  "I walked out of the Capitol and said, `We’re at war."’ said Kerry, a decorated Vietnam veteran. "That was my instant reaction as I looked in the air for another airplane that was heading toward us. I think you destroy the enemy."

But then the Republicans started saying the same thing, and so naturally he had to take the opposing view. I think Lil Dhimmi nailed it: this guy's bipolarity puts Gollum to shame.
Posted by: BH || 03/10/2004 13:52 Comments || Top||

#8  ...blow Osama bin Laden’s brains out.

But two years later, Kerry just wants to blow him.
Posted by: badanov || 03/10/2004 14:36 Comments || Top||

#9  President Bush’s campaign has held out Kerry’s evolving position on the death penalty as just one more in a string of flip-flops to portray him as unprincipled, indecisive and blowing with the political winds.

Not to mention overly concerned with what Europe thinks. If bin Laden were to be caught on the watch of a President Kerry, would Osama be executed? I have my doubts, especially if the EU was to check in with its opinions. And no doubt it would.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 03/10/2004 14:39 Comments || Top||

#10  Wait. Was it Kerry or Dean that wasn't sure where Osama should be tried?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/10/2004 15:24 Comments || Top||

#11  RC: I believe that was Dean.
Posted by: BH || 03/10/2004 15:38 Comments || Top||

#12  ...and, then there is this:
GREENVILLE, S.C. — Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts said during last night's Democratic presidential debate that the threat of terrorism has been exaggerated.
"I think there has been an exaggeration," Mr. Kerry said when asked whether President Bush has overstated the threat of terrorism. "They are misleading all Americans in a profound way."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040129-115023-8966r.htm

So what happened to this "war" he declared on 9/11? I hope this comes back to bite him.
Posted by: Sherry || 03/10/2004 15:44 Comments || Top||

#13  Kerry sounds like some kind of gang leader.
Posted by: eLarson || 03/10/2004 16:40 Comments || Top||

#14  BH -- OK. I thought we had seen another flip-flop.

Oh, pardon me. THIS IS ANOTHER KERRY FLIP. He voted AGAINST the death penalty for terrorists who attack Americans overseas. At the time -- and since -- he claimed that was because it would make it harder to get them extradited to the US.

Sounds like his position's changed a bit... assuming he ever had a position.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/10/2004 17:07 Comments || Top||

#15  Sounds like his position's changed a bit... assuming he ever had a position.

Of course he has a position. In fact, he's got four of them: North, South, East, West. Just depends which way the wind's blowing.

John Kerry - Whether Vain.
Posted by: BH || 03/10/2004 17:26 Comments || Top||

#16  He's got a fifth position not listed; it's bent over, pants down, grabbing his ankles wherever the UN (and Europe) is involved.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 03/10/2004 17:57 Comments || Top||

#17  If Kerry's against Capitol Punishment, fine. I can live with that, as long as he's against it all the time. The problem I have with CP is the possibility for error, besides I think CP is way too good for most of the scumbags that get it. Buy Pitcairn Island from the British and just dump the assholes on it
Posted by: Cheddarhead || 03/10/2004 18:32 Comments || Top||

#18  Kerry's a decorated Vietnam veteran??!!?? Gee, I'm always the last to find this shit out...
Posted by: Ricky bin Ricardo (Abu Babaloo) || 03/11/2004 1:31 Comments || Top||

#19  Selusus Secundus,training ground for the Emperor's Sadurkar.
Posted by: Raptor || 03/11/2004 9:14 Comments || Top||


DNC: Drop "President" from Bush campaign ads
ScrappleFace, natch.
(2004-03-09) -- After slamming the Bush-Cheney 2004 re-election campaign for its use of 9/11 imagery in campaign ads, the Democrat National Committee (DNC) today again demanded that the ads be pulled, this time because they refer to Mr. Bush as "president."

Indeed, a review of the commercials shows that some do include the term "president" immediately before the surname "Bush." Juxtaposed with images of former Texas Governor George W. Bush, it seems clear that the spots do not refer to former President George H.W. Bush, but rather to his son, who did not actually win the popular vote in 2000.

"These ads are deeply cynical," said DNC Chairman Terry McAuliffe. "Some families of the victims of the 2000 election have come to me, weeping because the commercials reminded them of that tragic time."
Posted by: Steve from Relto || 03/10/2004 12:12:23 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  it is incredible how the DNC willfully ignores how a pres is elected...it is through electoral votes....where was the outcry from the DNC when Kennedy won the electoral votes but lost the popular vote to no other than Nixon..............

also just heard some talk that clinton wants to be keryy's vp....now if kerry dies in office then the vp would be pres (unless the vp also dies).....now wouldn't that go against the constitution...only two terms for a pres.....this is an example of how far the dnc will go to win the pres....doesn't matter if you trample on the constitution..just get Bush out of there......personally I do not believe kerry believes in the constitution....
Posted by: Dan || 03/10/2004 12:23 Comments || Top||

#2  Terry McAuliffe is full of shit.
Posted by: JerseyMike || 03/10/2004 13:13 Comments || Top||

#3  Clinton could not be VP since to be VP, according to the Constitution, the person must be eligible to be president, which Clinton is not.
Posted by: Denny || 03/10/2004 13:45 Comments || Top||

#4  Dan, there was a newspaper article stating that a week ago and saying how it would be constitutional and all because he wouldn't be trying for the office of President. But as Danny pointed out the Constitution also knocks the plan out of the water. And Clinton himself said he doesn't seek any higher office.

I think Clinton's gonna fish for Secretary General of the UN. The world loves him, the US has never had a Secretary General and he's the first one I think would gain broad international support. And it would appear to him and all his tranzi friends that the Secretary General is a step up from President.
Posted by: ruprecht || 03/10/2004 13:55 Comments || Top||

#5  a clinton dominated un would be worse than kofi.... send'em a packin.....
Posted by: Dan || 03/10/2004 14:36 Comments || Top||

#6  After slamming the Bush-Cheney 2004 re-election campaign for its use of 9/11 imagery in campaign ads, the Democrat National Committee (DNC) today again demanded that the ads be pulled, this time because they refer to Mr. Bush as "president."

Ain't nothing like leaving out important details....
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 03/10/2004 15:25 Comments || Top||

#7  Yeah, it's Scrappleface, but the only reason they probably haven't tried it is that nobody ever thought of it.
Posted by: tu3031 || 03/10/2004 15:50 Comments || Top||


Turnout low in FL, TX, LA and MS
This is what newspapers would have reported if the reporters were numerate.

Kerry received fewer than 600,000 votes in all of Florida. Dade county alone has about 1,000,000 registered voters.
Posted by: mhw || 03/10/2004 8:42:36 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Same thing down here in Texas. The Demo race is over, except for some local races there is not much to get people out to the polls.
Posted by: Steve || 03/10/2004 8:57 Comments || Top||

#2  not to hear the spin by the DNC:
"the base couldn't be more excited behind the dynamic leadership shown by our nominee John Kerry-Heinz, who, by the way, served in Viet Nam"
Posted by: Frank G || 03/10/2004 10:29 Comments || Top||

#3  "Kerry: Boringly familiar!"
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 03/10/2004 10:35 Comments || Top||

#4  Link not working. Where's this info from?
Posted by: growler || 03/10/2004 10:39 Comments || Top||

#5  Didn't go to the polls, or couldn't get to the polls?

" Marcy, where's my walking stick?"
" Sir, you need to lie down, you have alzheimers."
" Nonsense! I need to get out and vote for JFK! That bullet couldn't keep him down!"
Posted by: Charles || 03/10/2004 10:54 Comments || Top||

#6  growler,

no link because the press did NOT write this story.

If you combine all 4 States, Kerry only received about 1,300,000 votes (110k in LA, 60k in MS and 560k in TX in addition to the FL votes). We are talking about 5% of the registered voters here.
Posted by: mhw || 03/10/2004 11:12 Comments || Top||

#7  The St.Pete Times in Florida did do a story on low turnout.Reasons given mainly revolved around why bother to vote when Kerry's serious competition had quit race.
Posted by: Stephen || 03/10/2004 12:12 Comments || Top||

#8  Stephen,

but in contrast to 1996 when about 9% of the Dem primary registered voters went to the polls to vote for Bill Clinton, the presumptive candidate, in 2004 only about 5% of Dem primary registered voters went to the polls to vote for Kerry - also the presumptive candidate
Posted by: mhw || 03/10/2004 12:39 Comments || Top||

#9  According to Rush Limbaugh this a.m., Bay County Fla. is already holding a recount...'cuz Gephardt was leading 2-1!
Posted by: Anonymous || 03/10/2004 13:12 Comments || Top||

#10  Kerry is a fool. He should have been rallying the troops and getting out the vote. Even if you don't vote for me, get out and vote because there are propositions and ammendments and other positions on that ballot that needs to be voted on, and we need to test and get familiar with the new voting systems. Get out and vote!

Of course he didn't say that because they might vote for Sharpton and he'd rather not have a large turnout than have anything remotely closer than a landslide.
Posted by: ruprecht || 03/10/2004 14:17 Comments || Top||

#11  I just realized another headline could have been "Kucinich showing dissappointing" because the angry dwarf actually finished below 3rd in all 4 primaries and 5th in two of them.
Posted by: mhw || 03/10/2004 19:41 Comments || Top||


Cash & Skerry

Cash & Kerry: major green funding group launders his wife’s money into his campaign--President Bush’s leadership and decisions after 9/11 were sure to become a centerpiece of his re-election campaign, as his opponents knew. So the moment he aired ads with images of the 9/11 atrocity, they were ready with a carefully orchestrated response.

It turns out that those "9/11 families" who suddenly turned up everywhere in the media to protest the Bush ads were--surprise!--part of an organized, well-established left-wing group, "September Eleventh Families for Peaceful Tomorrows." This strident pacifist group, which also opposed the War in Afghanistan, actually represents only 120 of the 3,000 families of 9/11 victims--though you’d never know that from the adoring press coverage.

But wait--it gets even better.

"Peaceful Tomorrows" is an official project of, and heavily funded by, the Tides Center and its parent group, the Tides Foundation--a radical leftist operation that launders millions in donor cash to a wide range of socialist, environmentalist, and anti-war groups--while keeping donors’ identities secret (for a fee). For example, according to the Capital Research Center, a watchdog group, "Here are a few notable nonprofits started, managed or funded by Tides: the Natural Resources Defense Council, Greenpeace, Union of Concerned Scientists, Environmental Working Group and the Ruckus Society."

And guess who is a major contributor to the Tides network?

Teresa Heinz Kerry, wife of Democrat candidate John Kerry--that’s who. She is chairman of the Howard Heinz Endowment, which channeled over $4 million to the Tides Foundation between 1995-2001. Two other Heinz family foundations which she leads have donated an additional $2 million.

That’s not all. We’ve noted here that the League of Conservation Voters (LCV), a ’viro political lobby, jumped onto the Kerry for President campaign with a surprisingly early primary endorsement. Capital Research notes that "In 2000, the LCV waited until April to endorse Vice President Gore, a candidate whose advocacy for LCV’s positions on environmental issues is much stronger than Kerry’s. Why did LCV jump so early on the Kerry bandwagon?

“A clue may be found in grants the Heinz Endowments of Pittsburgh made to environmental groups whose leaders sit on the LCV board of directors. Teresa Heinz Kerry, wife of Senator Kerry, is chairman of the Howard Heinz Endowment (HHE) and a board member of the Vira I. Heinz Endowment (VHE) as well as chairman of the Heinz Family Foundation. The LCV Education Fund received $10,000 from the Heinz Family Foundation in 2001. More importantly, at least four members of the LCV board of directors lead environmental groups that received more than $1,000,000 from the Heinz philanthropies in the past three years.”

Among LCV board members whose groups received major contributions from the various Heinz philanthropies run by Teresa Heinz Kerry are: John Adams, president of the Natural Resources Defense Council (which received $50,000 in 2003); William Meadows III, president of the Wilderness Society (which received $50,000 in 2003); and Fred Krupp, president of Environmental Defense (which received over $600,000 in the period 2001-2003).

Now we all know that John Kerry pledged to refuse “special interest” contributions, right? And we all know that individual campaign donors, like his activist wife, are legally limited to only $2,000 in campaign contributions, right? But through devious money-laundering and back-room influence-peddling, the Kerrys and the rest of Gang Green manage to by-pass campaign finance laws, manipulate the media, and deceive voters. Such are the ways of the noble “idealists” of environmentalism. [Posted 3/8/04]

Posted by: tipper || 03/10/2004 1:26:56 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I the same vein, if Skeery comes to your locale, keep one hand on your wallet / purse -- rumor has it that he's the reincarnation of the Artful Dodger, though I'm not sure where they came up with the connection. Mebbe it's actually the name, this life-cycle, and refers to his voting record. I dunno.
Posted by: .com || 03/10/2004 1:37 Comments || Top||

#2  tap-tap-tap....nope. Not a thing.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 03/10/2004 1:56 Comments || Top||

#3  Going to be an interesting 8 months.Will the mainstream press continue to be Kerry's cheerleaders after prolonged exposure to a man who will say anything to get a vote,to a man whose arrogant,condescending attitude appears to p***off everone he comes in contact with.Will the mainstream news media ever suffer for their relentless push for the Democratic agenda?
Posted by: Stephen || 03/10/2004 2:33 Comments || Top||

#4  You know what's even better? When are their 2003 tax returns due? They're going to have to make donation statements sometime, can't wait to see how much from who to where/which.
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 03/10/2004 2:39 Comments || Top||

#5  "a man whose arrogant,condescending attitude appears to p***off everone"

Now, now, there are plenty of folks who like Kerry, whom Kerry has not p***ed off. Like Chirac, Baby Kim, the mullahs in Iran...
Posted by: Ben || 03/10/2004 5:13 Comments || Top||

#6  Not suprising at all. Whats even less suprising is Kerry's big media lapdogs will continue to give him a pass on this sort of thing.
I made the mistake of watching CBSNBCABC world news with the Stepford anchors, no mouse fart in the Whitehouse is to small to be blamed on GW. None of those guys believe America is a special place at all, piss on them.
Posted by: JerseyMike || 03/10/2004 7:30 Comments || Top||

#7  The left's defense of this is amusing: "But they give money to LOTS of groups! And Theresa doesn't have the deciding vote!"

And that matters, how, exactly? I mean, after years and years of hearing the left spin fantastic tales of a "vast right-wing conspiracy", we're supposed to ignore an obvious example of corruption like this?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/10/2004 9:05 Comments || Top||

#8  Stepford anchors...good one.
Posted by: B || 03/10/2004 10:28 Comments || Top||

#9  Excuse me, folks. I found this "Cash & Kerry" commentary, lifted verbatim from my Web site, www.ecoNOT.com, but don't see that you posted any attribution to the source. Hey, I work hard at this stuff, so how about a little credit, huh?

You can find this (and much more) at ecoNOT.com (http://www.ecoNOT.com/page3.html), and on The Bidinotto Blog (http://bidinotto.journalspace.com).

--Robert Bidinotto, publisher.
Posted by: Robert Bidinotto || 03/10/2004 10:32 Comments || Top||

#10  Robert, click on the headline.
It goes straight to you.
Posted by: tipper || 03/10/2004 10:38 Comments || Top||

#11  B-

I can't take credit for that -
I think it was Dennis Miller I heard refer to them as that.
Posted by: JerseyMike || 03/10/2004 11:11 Comments || Top||

#12  Don't forget CAIR...Tides also has given money to this radical anti-anti-terrorism org. The Wahhabi's must be happy. Also, Tides funds the National Lawyers Guild. Lynne Stewart was a speaker at the NLG's most recent convention. Remember that Stewart was arrested and indicted for helping her client, the Blind Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, communicate with his terrorist cells in Egypt. Rahman was convicted in the 1993 World Trade Center boming.
Posted by: milford || 03/10/2004 11:24 Comments || Top||

#13  Oops. Sorry. Didn't notice that the header was a live link. Thanks, and my apologies.

--Robert Bidinotto
Posted by: Robert Bidinotto || 03/10/2004 11:29 Comments || Top||

#14  Somebody from the vast right wing conspiracy needs to buy a major Newspaper or Television station to get this information out to the well meaning members of the left. The coverage of this has been nothing short of absolutely pathetic!
Posted by: B || 03/10/2004 11:49 Comments || Top||

#15  When are their 2003 tax returns due?

Fifty bucks says they'll file the Fed. form 4868 (automatic 4 month extension to Aug. 15) & the 2688 (additional two month extension / 'request', almost always granted, to Oct. 15) to avoid early disclosure.
Posted by: Raj || 03/10/2004 12:41 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
The Pentagon’s Secret Scream
Those evil Zionists have let the military/industrial complex into their Secret Death Ray Lab.
BWAAA HAAA HAAA HAAA


SOUTH POMFRET, Vt. - Marines arriving in Iraq this month as part of a massive troop rotation will bring with them a high-tech weapon never before used in combat - or in peacekeeping. The device is a powerful megaphone the size of a satellite dish that can deliver recorded warnings in Arabic and, on command, emit a piercing tone so excruciating to humans, its boosters say, that it causes crowds to disperse, clears buildings and repels intruders.

"[For] most people, even if they plug their ears, [the device] will produce the equivalent of an instant migraine," says Woody Norris, chairman of American Technology Corp., the San Diego firm that produces the weapon. "It will knock [some people] on their knees."
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 03/10/2004 10:08:39 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Oops..EFL as well.
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 03/10/2004 10:10 Comments || Top||

#2  Prolly gonna be deployed by the Deafies Brigade.
Posted by: Shipman || 03/10/2004 10:17 Comments || Top||

#3  I saw some coverage on this thing on Discovery; the operator barely hears a thing; it's a highly focused sound projector. If I recall correctly, you don't even have to worry about echoes.

Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/10/2004 10:23 Comments || Top||

#4  If this device had fallen into the hands of the Howard Dean campaign, . . . .
Posted by: Mike || 03/10/2004 11:21 Comments || Top||

#5  WHAT?
Huh?
Speak up Sonny!
Posted by: JackAssFestival || 03/10/2004 12:05 Comments || Top||

#6  Could there be a market out there for smaller, personal sized, units like these? You know, for use against the kid with the boom box on his shoulder, or the car with the mega-watts base turned all the way up. Not to mention the guy behind you who hits the horn before the light turns green. Just a thought...
Posted by: OldeForce || 03/10/2004 12:19 Comments || Top||

#7  Broadcasting Dean through the device would create the "Brown Noise" harmonics referred to in "South Park". Everyone within 500 meters would crap their pants.
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 03/10/2004 12:20 Comments || Top||

#8  emit a piercing tone so excruciating to humans that it causes crowds to disperse, clears buildings and repels intruders

Must be the new Moby song
Posted by: John C. Lately || 03/10/2004 12:22 Comments || Top||

#9  Just fly a pair of F-111s over at full throttle, then hit the AB and stand the birds straight up. Between the noise and the backblast, half the people will be on their knees, and the rest suffering from excruciating headaches. The fact that the birds can come in at 50 feet, totally unannounced, and THEN pull this maneuver, makes certain that a large percentage of the crowd will have one objective - go home and change their stained undergarments.

I have one suggestion: combine it with a laser-light show and project some 80-foot Marines coming over the barrier. Might as well do this right...
Posted by: Old Patriot || 03/10/2004 15:04 Comments || Top||

#10  But its safe for pets! (except hamsters, gerbils and mice)
Posted by: eLarson || 03/10/2004 16:43 Comments || Top||

#11  Dial that baby to Slim Whitman level 3 and let there be peace on earth (and Mars).
Posted by: Shipman || 03/10/2004 17:45 Comments || Top||


International-UN-NGOs
Gullible idiot #1Blix Likens Iraq War to Witch Hunt
Hattip: Command-post.
Former U.N. chief weapons Gullible idiot #1 inspector Hans Blix on Tuesday likened the runup to the war in Iraq to a witch hunt, and argued that the subsequent failure to find weapons of mass destruction would dent the public’s faith in the U.S. and British governments. "The governments were like the witch hunters of past centuries. They were so convinced that there were witches in Iraq that every black cat became proof of it," Gullible idiot #1 Blix said in Barcelona where he was honored by the United Nations Association of Spain. "The tendency was to view any evidence in a more serious light than was the reality. It’s clear that the Sept. 11 attack on the United States drove the analysis," he added.

The White House dismissed the criticism. "Maybe Mr. Gullible idiot #1 Blix felt we should trust in the good intentions of Saddam Hussein," White House press secretary Scott McClellan said. "In a post-Sept. 11 world, the president understood we could not afford to trust in the good intentions of a madman who continued to defy the international community." Gullible idiot #1 Blix said that intelligence information from the United States and other countries was exaggerated, and that politicians should have asked more critical questions. "They were mistaken in their views, but I don’t think they acted in bad faith,"Gullible idiot #1 Blix said, referring to President Bush, British Prime Minister Tony Blair and other leaders who supported the war. "The consequences of that are political. Now people have less confidence in them." Blix received the Gullible idiots #27 to 803 group’s peace prize, recognizing his efforts in trying to find a peaceful solution to the Iraq conflict. The Swede led the search for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and pushed for prolonging the search before taking military action.
Posted by: Evert Visser || 03/10/2004 12:59:59 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Does he NEVER shut up ? ChristAlmighty.
Posted by: Anonymous || 03/10/2004 13:09 Comments || Top||

#2  somebody give the man some more crayons, chocolates and dancing women so he will stop crying.
Posted by: B || 03/10/2004 13:56 Comments || Top||

#3  regardless of WMD - saddam had to go - the status quo had to be destroyed - these asshats in the middle east needed to be shown we were serious - taking out the talibs wasn't enough - and taking out saddam isn't enough!
Posted by: Dan || 03/10/2004 15:33 Comments || Top||

#4  Blixie? Some advice...
NO ONE'S LISTENING TO YOU, YOU FUCKING IDIOT!!!!!
Posted by: tu3031 || 03/10/2004 15:59 Comments || Top||

#5  The one REASON Hans can claim Saddam did not have WMD stockpiles and NEVER will is brave men and women removed Saddam from power. The UN solution was to declare Saddam WMD free, remove sanctions, allow the Saddamites to sell all the oil the market would bear, and with those windfall profits permit the Saddamites to buy all the WMD they desired from willing sellers in France, Germany, Russia, China, Pakistan and North Korea. Hans was a USEFUL FOOL for Saddam. Today, he is just a FOOL.
Posted by: Garrison || 03/10/2004 16:25 Comments || Top||

#6  please Hans, visit Baghdad -- make your pronouncements to the Iraqis in public
Posted by: mhw || 03/10/2004 19:49 Comments || Top||

#7  Re: Witch Hunt

Note to Hans: Indeed. And now the Wicked Witch is in custody. FOAD.
Posted by: .com || 03/10/2004 20:11 Comments || Top||


Oil Minister: OPEC May Cut Output
CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) - The Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries will consider cutting its production by another 1 million barrels per day, Venezuela's oil minister said Tuesday. A production cut, coming after one announced last month, could push U.S. gas prices higher. The national average is now about $1.73 a gallon.

At its Feb. 10 meeting, OPEC decided to slash one million barrels of oil per day, starting April 1, from its total output of 24.5 million barrels to try to keep oil prices stable when warmer weather erodes demand in the United States and other major importing countries. The Venezuelan oil minister, Rafael Ramirez, said OPEC ministers who meet on March 31 may decide to make additional cuts. "It could be," Ramirez replied when asked about another cut. "We have to look at the opinion ... inside of OPEC." Ramirez said OPEC is seeking to reduce overproduction. At the cartel's last meeting, members agreed to eliminate 1.5 million barrels per day that exceeds quotas.
Wonder if we can ramp up Iraqi production another million barrels a day?
Separately, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez assured oil company executives on Tuesday that economic ties with the United States would remain strong despite political differences between his government and the Bush administration. Chavez, speaking Tuesday to executives involved in the development of natural gas fields in eastern Venezuela, said economic ties with the United States would remain strong. "Look at how important this commercial relationship is," Chavez said.

Chavez has repeatedly warned the United States not to meddle in Venezuela's domestic affairs. On Sunday, he vowed to halt oil exports to the U.S. and wage a "100-year war" if Washington ever tried to invade Venezuela.
So the commercial ties aren't that important.
Posted by: Steve White || 03/10/2004 12:27:15 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  OPEC is such a hoot. Members ignore quotas, routinely, currently to the tune of 1.5M bbl - so they agree to trim back - to actual quotas. *eye roll* Say, isn't that almost exactly the Iraqi output just announced last week? *snicker*

And Chavez seems bent on creating a standup routine, just in case:

"economic ties with the United States would remain strong despite political differences..."

"he vowed to halt oil exports to the U.S. and wage a '100-year war'"


His material seems pretty funny to me. I hope he loses his day job.
Posted by: .com || 03/10/2004 0:47 Comments || Top||

#2  However, they all want W out, so....they might just hang together.

Fox better open the spigots.
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 03/10/2004 2:41 Comments || Top||

#3  I picture Louie Anderson, Rosanne Barr and Rosie O'Donnel meeting to apportion consumption of Hostesse products - and then drag racing each other to 7-11 afterward.
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/10/2004 4:57 Comments || Top||

#4  SH - Aiieeee! My keyboard! (At least it wasn't grapefruit juice as I had originally planned; my nose woulda had the worst of that one!)
Posted by: eLarson || 03/10/2004 9:30 Comments || Top||

#5  SH: That is evil! Keep up the good work.
Posted by: Charles || 03/10/2004 11:02 Comments || Top||

#6  100 year war - well if and when any bullets fly it will more like the 100 hour war - 100 day war -- not no 100 years........
Posted by: Dan || 03/10/2004 12:32 Comments || Top||

#7  Wanna see OPEC squirm? Just let Bush drop a hint that he considers a cartel controlling the price of a needed commodity as an act of war (which, in essence, it is - or more succintly, an act of coercion). Putting the screws to 30 countries who mostly have dictators running them may be an excellent way to fight the WoT as well. Maybe, instead of letting the OTHER side fund the war from oil profits, the US should move in and use those profits for OUR war fund. Of course, the "leaders" of the rest of the world would squeal like stuck pigs, but since most of them are pigs anyway, who cares?
Posted by: Old Patriot || 03/10/2004 14:44 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Indonesia Looks At Kissing Ban
JAKARTA, Indonesia -- Kissing in public and erotic dancing could become a crime punishable by five years in jail as part of a proposed clampdown on morality in Indonesia, the world’s most populous Muslim nation, according to media reports on Tuesday.

In a related development, authorities on the country’s Batam island said they planned to raid houses looking for cohabiting couples and make them get married, the reports said.

The moves reflect the growing influence of religion in the secular country and will likely please Muslim clerics, who have argued that Islamic values should be better reflected in the nation’s laws.

A proposed bill before parliament would ban kissing on the lips and making love in public places. Erotic dancing, public exposure of private body parts and "performing in, organizing or watching sex shows" would also become crimes, said Aisyah Hamid Baidlawi, who heads a house committee on pornography.

"The bill aims to protect people from exploitation and promote morality and ethics," he said Tuesday.

The proposal has been discussed since 2001 and nothing has come of it so far. Baidlawi declined to predict when or whether he thought it would become law.

In Batam, authorities plan to start raiding neighborhoods on March 16 looking for unwed couples, Azwan, a local government official on the island, told The Jakarta Post newspaper.

He said those caught would face a fine of up to $600 and be required to get married.

"Our country has eastern values that are high in moral standards, not like western countries, which consent to such practices," said Azwan, who was identified by a single name.

About 80 percent of Indonesia’s 210 million people are Muslims.

In recent years, there have been numerous calls for the adoption of Islamic sharia law. But those bills have never made it through the legislature.

Batam is home to a thriving sex trade that attracts prostitutes from all over Indonesia. Most of the customers are men from Singapore, which is a short ferry ride away.
Posted by: Lil Dhimmi || 03/10/2004 4:16:16 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Looks like I'll cancel the honeymoon in Bali...
Posted by: mjh || 03/10/2004 16:34 Comments || Top||

#2  Even with the additional information regarding Batam island, I still maintain what I previously ranted on this topic. Also (regarding the kissing/porn stuff), this is just a proposed law and, as this article notes, previous "calls for the adoption of Islamic sharia law . . . have never made it through the legislature." The issue of Batam island is different and goes directly to the problems of sexual exploitation by foreigners of impoverished regions. Please note: the solution being proposed is not death or jail time for anyone, just government recognition that two people elected to become conjoined, and government enforcement of what that kind of social contract regularly entails. Please also note: I don’t see the Indonesians accepting the sharia concept of “marriage for a day.” If actually implemented, I bet Batam gets a lot less visitors from Singapore . . .
Posted by: cingold || 03/10/2004 16:49 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Nearly One-Third of Iranian Youth Are Unemployed
Close to one-third of young Iranians are unable to find regular employment and the Islamic republic’s jobless crisis is expected to worsen, an official close to the government was quoted as saying Monday. According to Rahim Ebadi, head of the Iranian Youth Organisation, 31 percent of those aged between 15 and 29 were without work, representing a successive 13 percent increase over the past two years. In Iran, under-30’s make up around 70 percent of the population, and unemployment remains a major headache for tens of thousands of graduates and those hoping to marry....

Iran’s reformist President Mohammad Khatami has acknowledged failing to keep his promises to bring down unemployment - a central pledge that helped him win landslide victories in 1997 and 2001. Reforms aimed at shaking up the state-dominated and highly protected economy have also met with stiff opposition.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 03/10/2004 12:06:35 AM || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  In the not too distant future, this will be the least of the Black Hats' concerns... assuming they give a shit now.

tick tock Mullahfuckahs...
Posted by: .com || 03/10/2004 0:52 Comments || Top||

#2  those utes get no sympathy from me--they should all become self employed hangman stringing up the mullahs to the nearest lamposts in north tehran
Posted by: SON OF TOLUI || 03/10/2004 1:29 Comments || Top||

#3  Hmmm, about the same number who would be vaporized in an Israeli retaliatory strike after the mullahs use their upcoming bomb.

Contrary to popular belief engendered by decades of peacenik propaganda, Israel's putative 200 nukes would not destroy the world, or even Iran.

At least they wouldn't literally turn it into a self-lighting glass-topped parking lot. They would eliminate any semblance of a modern state, reduce the people to a medieval subsistence livelihood, and get rid of restive urban elements. In other words, it's a win-win for mullahs, assuming that they aren't fried themselves.
As for casualties, to paraphrase General Buck Turgidson from Dr. Strangelove, I make it 15 million, 20 million tops.
The mullahs can live with that.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 03/10/2004 2:34 Comments || Top||

#4  If I were Israeli PM I would amke very clear to Muslim states that they would be 198 bombs for the agressor and the two last ones would be for Mecca and Medina. THAT would make the mullahs think twice.
Posted by: Anonymous || 03/10/2004 4:10 Comments || Top||

#5  Step One of Mullah's economic rejuvination plan - continue to alienate the world's most prolific customer.

Step Two - goto step one.
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/10/2004 5:00 Comments || Top||

#6  Why didn't the Mullarcky blame Bush's tax cuts for their high unemployment?
Posted by: mhw || 03/10/2004 10:13 Comments || Top||

#7  Reforms aimed at shaking up the state-dominated and highly protected economy have also met with stiff opposition.

Meaning the mullahs and their ilk don't want to loosen control of what they've acquired. They've gotten real attached to having all that wealth.
Posted by: Pappy || 03/10/2004 21:13 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
THE ULTIMATE MISSION TO ISRAEL
Posted by: Phil B || 03/10/2004 21:51 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Not news, I found it as an ad on the Haaretz site. The rightwing answer to eco-tourism. Not that there is anything wrong with eco-tourism. I used to enjoy before it became fashionable and the trips filled up with tree hugging lefties. Last time I did something like that was in Borneo when a group of the locals asked me to join them on a night time hunt. We didn't find anything worth shooting so we went back to the lodge and the locals took potshots at fruit bats returning from their nightly feed. A good time was had by all and not a leftie in sight.
Posted by: Phil B || 03/10/2004 22:00 Comments || Top||


Japan throws $2.5 mil down PA rathole for Courthouse
From Geostrategy-Direct...
Here’s an example of Western generosity in the Middle East that is too ridiculous to believe. Japan has donated $2.5 million to the Palestinian Authority to construct its first courthouse in the West Bank.
Why?
The donation appears commendable until one realizes that the PA’s judicial system would make Saddam Hussein proud. Yasser Arafat has ignored the decision of Palestinian judges and his Fatah thugs have burst into courtrooms and killed defendants during trials. The UN Office of the Special Coordinator in the Occupied Territories confirmed in a study that even after an investment of more than $100 million, little if anything changed in the PA justice system.
Good money after bad. Even the UN agrees. That means that it is reallyreallyreally BAD!
But giving money to Arafat’s regime demonstrates political support for the Palestinians and is meant to curry favor by Western states with Saudi Arabia and Gulf Arab countries.
So the $2.5 mil is for bakeesh, chump change for keeping Saudi Arabia and the rest of the oil producers happily connected to the Japanese oil consumer.
At the Nablus courthouse inauguration was Mayor Bassam Shaka’a, who intoned that the PA, despite great difficulties, was trying to uphold the rule of law and build competent judicial institutions.
I will agree with Mayor Shaka’a on the difficulties....
What Shaka’a didn’t say was that he has submitted his resignation to Arafat because his city has been taken over by Fatah gangs, including those who killed his brother. PA police have refused to arrest the killers and Arafat hasn’t intervened.
The Mayor’s acceptance speech:
"Thank you, Japan, for this wonderful courthouse. We have had many difficulties, one of which is that the town is taken over by brigands who seem to be pals with the Arafish er, President Arafat. So, in closing, it is my fervent hope that this fine courthouse will one day serve its people as a true court before it gets all shot to hell, er someday. *hey, let go of me. Hey! Mmff! Grrg!*
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 03/10/2004 4:10:42 PM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Japan is part of the "west"?

Must be talkin' culture-war stuff, huh?
Posted by: mojo || 03/10/2004 17:36 Comments || Top||

#2  They're the inscrutable part.
Posted by: Fred || 03/10/2004 19:30 Comments || Top||

#3  Geez! When I first glanced at the article title I thought it said "P.A. Outhouse"!

(and really, can you blame me?)
Posted by: Hyper || 03/10/2004 20:05 Comments || Top||

#4  A-Ha! Looks like they've found their new saps?
Putting a courthouse in there is like putting in crossing guards at the Daytona 500.
Posted by: tu3031 || 03/10/2004 22:14 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
American Female Soldiers Seeking Asylum in Iraq
Two sides of women’s oppression
By Sara Flounders
EFL - heavily (recommended read for good laugh)

How is it possible that women in Iraq--who made the most stunning gains in rights, benefits and participation in society of any women in the Arab world--could suddenly face losses of economic, political and social rights guaranteed by law for almost 50 years?
This is not Scrappleface. No really, it’s not!

The U.S. war and occupation, whose leaders promised to bring liberation and a new day, have reversed decades of progressive legislation and social achievements that were most remarkable in the region.
Yes, we have for many years heard about the global rights of Iraqi women in the state sactioned rape rooms.

At the same time, women in the U.S. military face the greatest threats and danger not from combat with the "enemy," but from men in the U.S. military. The number of rapes, sexual assaults and sexual harassment against women soldiers has reached epidemic proportions.
Yes...the American women have resorted to stripping off their kevlar and sneaking out of their combat units to find safe-haven among the local gentlemen.

Two-thirds of female service members experience unwanted, uninvited sexual behavior, according to Terri Spahr Nelson, author of "For Love of Country: Confronting Rape rooms and Sexual H embarassment in the U.S. Military."

Dismantling guaranteed rights

Iraqi women, by contrast, had been guar anteed sweeping rights for almost 50 years. This didn’t happen in isolation. It was part of a revolutionary upsurge that began in 1958. Centuries of landlord feudal privilege and reaction were swept away...
and the debris can be found in the mass graves through out the country.

Nationalizing the oil meant that there were the resources to carry out mass literacy programs, provide free, quality health care, subsidize day care and housing. The government provided a student stipend that was an immediate incentive for families to keep both male and female children in school.
It’s all about the oiiiillll..oh wait, oil is a good thing now.

The rapidly growing economy ensured employment for thousands of young women. Iraqi women were guaranteed by law that if they couldn’t find a job in the private sector, the government had to provide them a job in their chosen field or educational level. The government was the largest employer of women,
where they were employed as dancing girls for Uday and Qusay.

Thirty-eight percent of doctors in Iraq are women. Women were the majority of university students
as most of the men had died in the wars that were fought to assure the independence of their women.

snip for standard, overused spittle.

Iraqi women reacted by pouring into the streets in mass demonstrations demanding that Paul Bremer--the U.S. final "authority" who signs all legislation--not sign this into law.
As we all know, Paul Bremer and John Ashcroft have been campaigning hard for the return of Sharia in Iraq.

Women in U.S. military
Warning spittle increase Alert - Juche references apparently inadvertently omitted. Sorry, I had to heavily edit for length- but more good comedy inside

In February the Denver Post ran a series of articles on women in the U.S. military and the growing number of sexual assaults on them by fellow soldiers. Women who have been assaulted or raped report poor medical treatment, lack of counseling, incomplete criminal investigations and even threats of punishment for reporting the assaults.
sadly, the kernel of truth that fuels the lie

Young women are joining the military in growing numbers seeking jobs, skills and the means to support themselves and their children. More than 59,000 female troops have been deployed overseas as part of the wars against Iraq and Afghanistan.
This is not equal rights or freedom of choice that women fought hard for - this is sex-slavery!

The Pentagon functions as an instrument of violence against oppressed people. It cultivates a culture of violence that targets women, people of color, and lesbian, gay, bi and trans people.
That’s why they have to trick the oppressed and the women with promises of free money, health care and condos - the white men join freely to rape the women and beat the gays.

Military training in an imperialist army conditions soldiers to dehumanizing, violent behavior. Training involves humiliation and breaking down self-esteem and human solidarity.
When his Glorious Sadaam was in still power, they used to send the American white male soldiers to Iraq for training in the rape and torture rooms sexual sensitivity.

Christen Hansen of the Miles Found ation, who has assisted women who have been sexually assaulted, says, "We have significant concerns about the military’s response to sexual assault in the combat zone." According to the Miles Foundation, 30 percent of female veterans reported rape or attempted rape during active duty.
Yeah, right. Say...Miles - how much money did you say you got from the Tides Foundation??

Expect this to be an election issue. Trust me.

Reprinted from the March 11, 2004, issue of Workers World newspaper
whatta surprise.
Posted by: B || 03/10/2004 3:01:10 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I love the way commie rags bring up an important topic only to indoctrinate you in a 2nd. Yes there were probably (I don't know) rapes in Iraq. But those responsible will be prosecuted. The rest of this article is Hollywood material and nothing else.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 03/10/2004 15:12 Comments || Top||

#2  Quick question for you military guys... how much inclined are you to press ungentlemanly attentions on a military woman who is A)most likely armed, B)probably carries a knife (Which I ALWAYS did, and which my daughter the Marine now does)and C)has had pretty thurough self-defense training? I presume y'all value your gonads, of course.
Posted by: Sgt. Mom || 03/10/2004 15:28 Comments || Top||

#3  from the workers world newspaper carries no wieght.........though andropov would love it......
Posted by: Dan || 03/10/2004 15:37 Comments || Top||

#4  Unedited article is here: http://www.workers.org/ww/2004/women0311.php
Posted by: GK || 03/10/2004 15:46 Comments || Top||

#5  Workers World? That's the one with Bat Boy, right?
Posted by: tu3031 || 03/10/2004 15:47 Comments || Top||

#6  American women will soon be flocking to relative feminist paradises, like Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan. "Somebody save me!!"
Posted by: Unonymous || 03/10/2004 17:45 Comments || Top||

#7  Sgt Mom, NOT VERY LIKELY! But like the rest of civilization, the Military has it's share of low-lifes and malcontents. Military courts are quite severe when it comes to cases of rape. If it were my daughter, the guy had better hope the authorities get to him first! The man/man rape really bother me too!
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 03/10/2004 18:44 Comments || Top||

#8  I'm not saying it doesn't happen and Cyber Sarge is right there will always be some low-lifes and malcontents. I served for 8 years and was never inappropriately approached nor were any of the other women I served with. Of course it was a different time and era. I joked around with my male counterparts and it was pretty raunchy at times but I didn't take offense nor think it was inappropriate. Some of all of this is purely PC crap!

Does anyone else see how this article echoes Hillary's comments recently about how Iraqi women were better off under Sadam? More of the same bs! Make sure I have equal rights and work and you can beat me, rape me, and kill my family -- NOT! I'll take freedome and liberty any day without a guaranteed job!
Posted by: AF Lady || 03/10/2004 19:57 Comments || Top||

#9  Workers' World... Are they the people behind ANSWER? Or is that World Workers?

[Consider Life of Brian dialog to have been inserted here. Move along.]
Posted by: Jackal || 03/10/2004 20:06 Comments || Top||

#10  Jackal - it's hard to tell - they all are pretty much the same group of people and I wouldn't be surprised if their phones all rang into the same office.
Posted by: B || 03/10/2004 22:34 Comments || Top||


Women distinguish themselves as officers in Iraq
Posted without other comment - the story stands on its own. They shape them well at the Point [smile]
It was hot, and his unit had just finished its lunchtime weave through the concrete maze into the Iraqi police station in Samarra, a town where dump, slums and suburbs are all the same place.

No one could blame the young soldier for taking off his Kevlar helmet - only for a moment - in the midday heat.

No one, of course, except his company commander. The West Point graduate began a profanity- filled tirade that had three effects: One, it showed the scope of physiological and literary allusions taught at the U.S. Military Academy. Second, it got the soldier to put his helmet back on right now. And finally, it delivered the lesson that neither he nor anyone who heard the lecture would ever cross Capt. Jennifer Knight. She can make you wish your parents had never been born.

"She’s a superstar," said Knight’s boss, Lt. Col. David Poirier, who commands the 720th Military Police Battalion stationed in Saddam Hussein’s hometown. "If she puts the time into the Army, Jennifer Knight will be a general."

Certainly it’s not unusual to see women in military leadership in Iraq. According to several sources, about 15 percent of the more than 100,000 American troops in the Persian Gulf are women, the largest deployment of females in U.S. history.

The Military Police, in particular, are staffed with a large number of women officers. In the 720th, about a third of the platoon leaders are female.

Women still are prohibited from serving in some roles - infantry, special services and heavy armored divisions - but that doesn’t mean they don’t see their share of combat.

Poirier said that during this conflict, Knight’s company and its platoons have faced more combat than any other in the battalion.

"If my sons want to join the Army, I’d be happy if they were led by Jennifer Knight,
" he said.

Poirier assigned the tall, angular 28-year-old New Jersey native to turn the city of Samarra - Iraq’s version of Tombstone, Ariz. - into a peaceable place. It was not easy. Samarra was the site of some of the worst fighting the battalion faced in its year in Iraq.

In one instance, violence erupted in the streets while Knight was on the job. Some members of the new Iraqi police force turned tail and fled.

"She got fire in her eyes and grabbed the Iraqi police chief. She fired the guys who ran," Poirier said. "She used a lot of talent in her company to tame that town of Samarra. A town that hadn’t been ’fixed’ in 10 months, she fixed within 30 days."

Knight takes her boss’ praise and his prediction of her rise to general modestly. "I just want to do my job," she said. "If that’s where it takes me, that’d be awesome."

Where Knight, who is married to an MP, is usually reserved - provided you keep your Kevlar helmet where it belongs - one of her fellow officers in the battalion, Lt. Alexis Marks, is almost the opposite. Marks is hard- charging, fun-loving and an outgoing free spirit.

Like her grandfather, Marks also graduated from the U.S. Military Academy. Grandpa once held the record for "punishment hours" awarded for rules infractions at West Point with 144. Marks took that dubious honor from him with 155 during her four years. She had a picture taken to rest alongside his on the family mantel in Florida. Each caption notes the number of hours served.

Retired Col. Joe Adamczyk, who was her tactical officer at West Point and is in Iraq as a deputy in the American-led coalition’s division of operations and infrastructure, said he remembered Marks well.

"There were two kinds of students in my office," Adamczyk said. "There were the very good students and the ’other’ kind," he said, leaving no doubt that Marks was the latter.

Even so, he said he was not surprised at her success as a leader.

She is a natural at the job, brave enough to take risks, smart enough to know when not to and creative enough to devise the right ways to do it, he said.

Marks, 24, is only 5 feet 1, with dark hair and sparkling ice-blue eyes. But when a visiting officer told her, "You have the most beautiful eyes" - she reminded him, in no uncertain terms, that he needed to find other fields on which to apply his fertilizer.

Lt. Alexis Marks takes no prisoners.


Her platoon is almost religiously devoted to her. Not because she’s a West Pointer, but because they’ve seen her under fire.

In Samarra one night, Marks’ platoon was pulling a patrol and was hit by several mortar shells, Poirier said.

"Several soldiers were lost to injuries," the battalion commander said. "The female soldiers, led by Marks, performed life-saving measures. You would have expected them to be traumatized, but they came back like tigers."

On another night in Samarra, her Fourth Platoon came under attack.

"There were some flashes, and when that happens, you go into your training," Marks said. "I went inside and got on the radio and told them we needed a QRF [quick relief force]. I could hear my soldiers screaming from where I was."

Marks handled the episode, but as tough as she is, it left a scar.

"I was really torn afterward," she said. "My job is to get on the radio, but when the heat is on, you want to run out to your sol diers.

"My God," she said. "There was so much blood."

Marks, who is single, said she loves her role in the Military Police.

"You can’t have chicks in the infantry," Marks said in her matter-of-fact way. "This is the best branch to be in to be in leadership. The thing I love about the MPs is it’s pretty much the only job where a female can be a platoon leader."

Bravery is not limited to women from West Point.

Consider the case of Spc. Sara Michelle Barnett, with the 2nd Platoon of the 64th MP Company on Nov. 30, 2003.

There is a sergeant who owes his life to her.

Barnett, 22, has been in the Army since she graduated from Humble High School outside Houston, Texas, almost five years ago, hoping to get some college money. She wants to be a police officer, and she figured five years as a military cop would be a good start down that path when she gets out of the Army in August.

She has been to Kosovo twice, but that was nothing like what she has witnessed in Iraq.

"I’ve seen a lot of destruction, a lot of death," she said, peeking out from under her worn "lucky" Adidas ballcap. "The way these people live, it’s worse than the way people live in Kosovo."

Even all her experience couldn’t prepare the 5-foot-1Âœ, 110-pound soldier for that November night in Samarra.

"I felt like the weight of the world was on my shoulders when it happened," she said quietly, hunkered into a near slouch on her commanding officer’s cot, the only private place in the company’s quarters.

Barnett and her squad were protecting a truck carrying Iraqi cash to one of the local banks. They were held up for a while, then headed into town. Within two minutes of pulling up at the bank, they began taking small- arms fire.

There were snipers all around. The soldiers in the escort convoy fought a pitched 45-minute battle, and then it happened. Barnett’s squad leader, Sgt. Phillip Stow, was hit. The shot took half his face off. Barnett leaped to his side and began first aid. Other soldiers joined the fray, told her to continue what she was doing as Stow’s blood soaked battle dressing after battle dressing.

Finally, they hauled him into a Humvee and took off. They managed to get him to a landing zone, where a helicopter carried him to an aid station. At the time, no one thought he would live.

Stow survived and is back in the United States recuperating.

"I got a letter from him two weeks ago," Barnett said. "He’s doing fine. They expect him to make a complete recovery, but it’s going to take a long time."

Barnett said she held it together throughout the episode, but back at the base, once Stow was gone, she "let it go."

After the fact. That’s the important thing.

She still has nightmares about the attack, but refuses to let it rule her. Talking about it helps. And she’s sure she will get over it eventually.

"I think I’m pretty strong," she said.

Strong enough to prove that women can handle themselves when the bullets and blood start to fly.

Posted by: rkb || 03/10/2004 1:42:33 PM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  chicks with stones - secret weapon #23
Posted by: Frank G || 03/10/2004 15:17 Comments || Top||

#2  Sounds like BS to me. A little truth interwoven with a lot of puffery, hallmarks of advocates of women in uniform, in combat.

Females in the US are not raised from childhood to be soldiers; even the daughters of military personnel receive very mixed messages about their role in society. Barbie doll or Chyna?
Therefore, *what* do you expect when such women are slapped into a uniform and told to perform (below par, granted), against males?
It's not just physical fitness, willingness, or intelligence. It is a lifetime of hierarchy, schoolyard leadership and John Wayne movies.

A very few females, most of whom were raised in male-dominated households, are able to perform on a par or better than the average male. The vast majority are sub-par or just interfere with mission accomplishment. DESPITE the insistence that they MUST perform, because they philosophically HAVE to perform. BECAUSE.

The military, for its part, has in peacetime been forced to kowtow before this experiment, despite vast amounts of evidence showing that most of it is a bad joke. It is the secret that everyone knows. Even JAG episodes hold it up for ridicule.

Are there females who perform? Absolutely. But it's a numbers game. How many losers must get in the way, not just of the enlisted ranks, but among officers, before missions get jeophardized? 40%? 70%? 90%?

Of the females, enlisted and officer, I ever met, perhaps one in ten could perform. The rest only suffice to draw fire or clear minefields.
Posted by: Anonymous || 03/10/2004 18:11 Comments || Top||

#3  Well, Anonymous, *I teach at West Point* and I see how the women cadets match up against their male counterparts.

I'm quite confident that a good portion of them will perform well under fire if & when they are shot at.

Some do come from military families and they aren't Barbies or Chynas at all. One woman I taught and continue to sponsor will be a kick ass Army pilot in a year - her retired Special Ops dad thinks so, too - and she was picked to teach hand to hand combat to plebes last summer, in part because she holds a martial arts black belt & in part because she can and does hold her own with her male counterparts in all aspects as a cadet, including in hand to hand combat. She's a pretty damn good shot too, both handgun and rifle.

Sorry you've met some who don't make the grade, but I teach and am around a whole lot of female West Point cadets who can and do.

Posted by: rkb || 03/10/2004 18:36 Comments || Top||

#4  Well, rkb, I didn't want to say so before, but the military academies' reputation for ruining good officers is legend. Those great machines ruin initiative, see the US Civil War as the end-all, be-all of tactics, and produce officers loathed and derided throughout the active forces.

The few who survive on active duty hide their class rings. The remainder are blackballed by their ROTC and OCS brethren with good cause--generally for misbehavior, offensiveness or mistreatment of subordinates.

"West Point" has almost become an invective. Twice I even observed enlisted men being reproved for saving the lives of West Point officers, whose lives had been endagered each by their own arrogant incompetence.

Last but not least you suggested a single example--I could cite many, and in a training environment at that. I still contend that the military cannot suffer 90% failure for the 10% or less who succeed. AND, I might add, because the military isn't willing to invest the double or triple training needed to raise the success of females in the ranks to at least 50%.
Posted by: Anonymous || 03/10/2004 19:03 Comments || Top||

#5  Where the military has been forced to swallow a PR-PC approach, the blame lies squarely on the Rainbow Mentality - from the Church Committee to the Challenger disaster to the decimation of the Military's ranks, PC sabotage has, at times, been in vogue.

Clinton, Carter, et al, tried very very hard to gut this country's defenses and turn us into a European-style state, toothless and toeing the multilateralists' UN / Socialist Line. They did major damage, but the Military's professionals, busy correcting the glaring flaws (top-to-middle level mismanagement and politicization of the military during the Vietnam Era), maintained their composure and kept their eyes on-target. We owe them much for their steadfastness and gutsy dedication and honor. Our current Military's obvious professionalism and awesome effectiveness is proof that they succeeded spectacularly.

Not everyone in the Military is a line combat soldier. Obviously, everyone must have something more than cursory combat skills, but the examples often pointed out as failures are the exceptions - that's why they stand out. The mission is evolving fast - if allowed the time to do so - such as another term for Dubya, I have no doubt that Rumsfeld, et al, will design a system that will address not only the shortcomings created by moron civilian authorities of the past, but build a force structure and training system that will allow us to respond appropriately to the missions of the present and future.

The weeding process is always subject to some measure of political gamesmanship. I would much rather have all of our population included in the pool of talent - than lose half of them en masse. The answer isn't to shoot all the dogs because a few have fleas - it's to put sufficient checks and balances in the system while intelligent people are in charge so that we can weather the times when the morons are in charge.

My thanks go to people like rkb who've turned this topic's particular challenge on its head and made it an opportunity to add qualified females to the ranks. I'm certain that the bogus-promotion game gets regularly derailed by such people. And the opposite is also highly likely - the good people get due recognition for their abilities, skills, and dedication to the job.

Just my opinion and observations. Thx.
Posted by: .com || 03/10/2004 19:32 Comments || Top||

#6  Sure I cited one example - I could list a lot more.

I'm well aware of the ring knocker stereotype. Some of it is deserved, some is not IMO. But since my retired husband was NOT commissioned via the academy, I know full well your suggestion that *most* academy grads are blackballed by ROTC / OCS grads is BS.

I've also had the chance to meet and talk with several real heroes , who came back to the Point from combat in Iraq and Afghanistan to talk about lessons learned re: the use of new equipment and tactics. So I know your Civil War charge is BS too.

The piece I posted is mostly a feel-good look at a few women. Interesting though that it bought out the huge chip on your shoulder - and a 19th century idea of what leadership and fitness to serve consists of.
Posted by: rkb || 03/10/2004 19:34 Comments || Top||

#7  As is probably obvious, my comment in #6 was a response to Anonymous.

I'm not disregarding the concerns about women as officers and in particular, women in combat arenas. It's something my uniformed friends take seriously. But the wholesale discounting of USMA grads or of women isn't credible with me when I think about the officers I work with daily ... the female Lt Colonel MP who has been under fire in several conflicts in the last 15 years, say, or the Special Ops guy with the Pathfinder badge who came back to the Point to teach and mentor for a short tour. Any organization as big as the Army will have its mediocre members, but there are some outstanding officers that leave USMA every May. A few of them met with me today as they finish out their studies in preparation for graduation in May and probably assignment to places like Iraq a few months later.
Posted by: rkb || 03/10/2004 19:42 Comments || Top||

#8  Interesting to see that the percentage of women officers is right about the same as the percentage of women with PhD's in Physics. I know this because I have one of those PhD's. The comments in post #2 sound remarkably similar to the arguments used to try to prevent women from getting degrees in math, physics, or basically anything that wasn't home economics. I agree we should not endanger soldiers in the name of PC stupidity. Here's an idea; why don't we just not have double standards? Decide what a competent soldier/officer/whatever needs to be able to do. If he or she can do the job, they are in. I honestly think we really don't know what women are physically capable of. I do know that in sports and in other areas, they seem to be doing a lot more every year. Now, either our Secret Genetic Modification Laboratories are doing an excellent job with the DNA upgrade kits, or maybe, just maybe, we haven't found our limits yet. So, as CPT Knight might say, get the hell out of my way.
Posted by: Joy || 03/10/2004 20:23 Comments || Top||

#9  I've seen some damn good female officers. I've seen some worthless ones. Generally, the quality has risen over the past ten years or so, as woman officers have risen through the ranks and have started coming down hard on the ones who take advantage of their gender to work the system. I'll take a female Gudrun (read the Icelandic sagas) over a male Courtney Massengale any day.
Posted by: 11A5S || 03/10/2004 21:24 Comments || Top||

#10  A a family funeral in NH two weeks ago, I compared notes with a couple of men who graduated from West Point around 1960 - one was my uncle. I graduated from USNA in the late 80's. I was curious about the efect of the changes that Gen Abisaid (sp?) made during his tour. We shared to opinion that his program of replacing hazing and training Plebes to be POW's was brilliant. I don't know whether Navy has followed suit, but from reading the papers I can tell that the Air Force Acedemy has made no changes.
I believe that the initiative and creativity quashing at West Point are a thing of the past.

If my ten year old daughter, a tiger, is interested in a serice academy down the road I will encourage her to look at all three, but I will recommend that she attends West Point if the other two schools are still locked in aberant 50's behavior.

My sister-in-law's father is a Navy grad from the early 50's and wants paddling to be re-implemented at USNA. I think it's too hard on the senior enlisted to have to retrain paddle-boys what leadership is after they get to the fleet.
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/10/2004 22:53 Comments || Top||

#11  Unfortunately SH, the new comm at West Point, Brooks, has brought back hazing. I liked you're comment about paddle boys. I never understood the logic about taking some of the best young leaders in the nation and treating them like five-year-olds. After four years, you let them out into the military and everyone is shocked that they act like a bunch of twelve year olds. There are a lot of ways of putting people under stress and pressure. Most of them require a lot of hard work and thought from the trainers. Hazing is a cop out. It's mindless and does little to develop leaders.
Posted by: 11A5S || 03/11/2004 0:03 Comments || Top||

#12  The new comm has tightened rules but I haven't heard from my cadets that hazing has returned. I'll check it out - there are a few cadets who trust me and will give me straight info.
Posted by: rkb || 03/11/2004 5:59 Comments || Top||

#13  Hi rkb, I'm basing my comments on a speach I actually heard the comm make to the Beast Barracks first detail. Lot of four letter words and threats... I was not impressed. Don't ask how I happened to be there. I am not stationed at USMA.
Posted by: 11A5S || 03/11/2004 12:56 Comments || Top||

#14  Wanted to comment on the changes to USMA that GEN Abizaid made. I think the change from the 4th class to four class system was the best thing to happen to USMA in the last 100 years. There is a distinct difference in the way pre-2000 grads and the newer ones treat soldiers and NCOs. The earlier grads from the 4th class system have a do it OR ELSE mentality while the newer grads have learned that you need to earn their respect and motivate them to get results. I see that occurrence daily. Although every class will have it's retards, on the whole, I think that the change in systems resulted in a change from transaction leaders to more transformational officers. The reason I found this site because I was looking for a copy of the article above. I am a 2002 grad and my commander in that article is a 1998 grad. I know it is just one example, but I think it shows the contrast.
Posted by: Alexis Marks || 07/09/2004 21:04 Comments || Top||

#15  welcome Alexis!
Posted by: Frank G || 07/09/2004 21:05 Comments || Top||

#16  Lt. Alexis,

Thank you for your service! Good to hear from you, and God bless you.
Posted by: cingold || 07/09/2004 21:14 Comments || Top||

#17  This is a sore subject w/me. I'm a non service academy officer. USNA guys only make up 10% of our officer ranks and that's prolly a good thing. No offense SH, but they don't even go to our OCS since the Corps accepts the USNA training as enough to be a 2ndLT in the USMC. Prolly to the detriment of the Naval grad concerned.

I've Spent 4 yrs w/Marine infantry and 3 yrs at Parris Island training young men to be Marines. I'm back doing logistics and prolly deploying next year. I take what I do deadly f#cking serious. Anywho my $.02 - The military is not a social experiment, it does not need to reflect society in order to give politicians or advocates a warm/fuzzy nor should it lower its standards in order to recruit for diversity - that's all pc bull that will imo, waste your tax money and get good mofo's killed. I don't care whose on my flanks or giving me orders so long as "we've fielded the best team possible."

There are good and bad of either sex, that's a moot point. The irrefutable is that we've lowered standards in order to recruit some people in the mil that have no business being there. Whether they be black, female, hispanic or whatever flavor of the month doesn't matter to me. (I've had foreign recruits who could even speak the language.) The fact that we do it in the first place tells me we're not serious about making warriors. Why doesn't the New England Pat's have any 5'7" 160 lb caucasion linemen playing for them? How come the Pistons don't recruit any talented 5'4" Asian female point guards? Is it because they're a bunch of racists? I should sue the Raiders because they don't want to give short slow white dudes a chance playing LB for them, is it because they need a pc policy and sensitivity training? NO - its because they want to win. They want to put the best folks on the field & beat the piss out of the other schmos. Obviously, our country is more serious about its sports then its warfighting capability. I've seen overqualified white guys/and gals get put on hold for OCS and the service academies in order to put less qualified minority males and females in because we needed the diversity. I've seen male recruits average 91% first time qual rates out on the rifle range while their female counterparts are lucky to break 56%. I could go on and on about lax phsical standards and how if I was a woman I'd have a perfect run score for what they're required to do (3miles in 21 mins), but as a guy it's only a 94% (3miles in 19) which is better then what they need for 100% - why should I have to run faster to earn the same score? A bullet knows no difference. I could tell you stories of the ridiculous & insane but will save it as I've already killed Fred's bandwidth.

RKB> this a flowery stars & stripers type of article and I do not doubt these Soldiers did their job w/great zeal. I work w/female Marines and know they are very earnest. One of my best enlisted devil dogs is female, highly articulate, mature and smart. I'm a 200 proof stone cold professional, I would take a battalion of females to war if I thought they were honestly that good - I have nothing personal whatsoever against women. The problem is (I can't speak for the army or USMA) the mil I've seen is really not set up for them. Here is the darkside of it: your article is nice, but how many women never deployed because they came up pregnant or w/an std? You won't hear that stat which I get to see at my level. That happens all the time and some guy is stuck filling their billet or even worse, doing back to back deployments. How many sexual harrasment suits or fraternization cases waste a whole chain of command's time because some guy (or gal) couldn't remember their role? - again not always the girl's fault but another example of why the mil is not set up for them. Please don't even get me started on Army training, I've never been to USMA though my dad who is prior 101st and not a grad of the point did some instructing there- also the reason why he left the army after he saw how sh*t ran there in the 60s - nepotism, elitism, arrogance, & stupidity in his words a good officer thus not make. I think things changed since his time. Also, there was a glass ceiling for non point grads. I've met a lot of USAF/USNA grads who tell me about when they graduated from the academy blah, blah, blah like it's supposed to impress me. I say good for you, you got through college in 4 yrs so you beat me - but are you any good at doing your job are you passionate about your profession? If so great, but either way, I don't give a f*ck where you went to school or what colonel or general you know. I've also observed army boot camp w/the integrated male-female training *one word* - joke. I even had a debrief w/a commander there who couldn't get over why Marines feel colleged age men and women should train separately for their initial 12 weeks in the mil. I can only imagine what they're like out in the field. My bottom line is this - there are places where females do outstanding jobs in the mil - no doubt about it. However, keep them out of combat zones and away from the grunts for their own good. Also, we need to get rid of the lowered physical requirements for them to compete w/the males - either hack it or pack it. With equal rights comes equal responsibility - if I have to do 20 pullups for 100% on my test so should she or let me do the stupid flexed arm hang for 70 seconds either way, I don't care but make it the same. Last, The sexual dynamic always comes into play and is a distraction, your article even a gave a hint of that - we will never get past it as long as people feel the urge to copulate.
Posted by: Jarhead || 07/09/2004 22:39 Comments || Top||

#18  the urge to copulate seems to be effectively dulled by marriage, it seems. Maybe we should deploy married couples? ;-)
Posted by: Frank G || 07/09/2004 22:43 Comments || Top||

#19  hard to say Frank, though maybe combat efficiency would go up as I know a lot of guys would be more pissed at the enemy if they had to deal w/a nagging wife the night before :)

Just kidding honey, yes I put the toilet seat down, took out the trash, made the bed, soup sounds good for dinner, how wuz your day.........
Posted by: Jarhead || 07/09/2004 22:51 Comments || Top||

#20  LOL
Posted by: Frank G || 07/09/2004 23:12 Comments || Top||

#21  Yep, what Jarhead sez! I remember having a female TI in 74, partime. It wasn't cool. She didn't like it much either. She was old school enough to know that the guys didn't like it.

I remember coed barracks, with married women climbing through bottom floor windows to have a fling with married guys on the second floor. Very cool, Aces high.

But what has me down on the whole PC/ "I can do anything you can do but BETTER" thing is the waste of money. MONEY! But hey, it's money from tax payers, so what the hell, lets do it!

BTW, The highest payroll doesn't always win the championship, but tough teams do. Fix the PC mil.
Posted by: Lucky || 07/09/2004 23:52 Comments || Top||


Tikritis Want to Forget the Fighting and Find Jobs
it will take time, but this is a good sign

It is the fate of the unlovely town of Tikrit to be forever remembered as the birthplace of Saddam Hussein.


Spent card: Tikrit is learning to live again
Straggling along the Tigris, 100 miles north of Baghdad, it was still a stronghold of pro-Saddam feeling and a hotbed of anti-coalition violence until only a few months ago.

But, since Saddam was captured last December in a hole in the ground not far from the town, the attacks have faded away now why could that be? and the population is getting on with the dour business of trying to make a living in the new Iraq.

According to Falah al-Nakib, the governor of Salahadin province, it was Saddam’s money that was funding most of the trouble.

"His capture has definitely reduced the finances that were supporting many of these gangsters," Mr al-Nakib said. "There were also some who thought that one day he might come back."

The violence had the tacit support of some local religious leaders, he added. There was also strong animosity towards the coalition from former Tikriti military officers who were heavily represented in Saddam’s forces.

"We had a problem with Islamic leaders who were supporting these kind of operations," Mr al-Nakib said.

"We have discussed it with them forcibly and now they have come to accept that these actions were not good for Iraq. Now the majority of religious and tribal leaders and former officers have agreed to work together to rebuild our country."

The co-operation of local sheikhs was particularly important in an area of strong tribal bonds, depriving would-be terrorists of a loyal support network. enough already, boys - the train is leaving the station and we’re gonna miss it.

The tension that pervaded the town six months ago has lifted. The aggressive American patrolling seen last summer and autumn has been scaled down. There are joint US military and Iraqi army checkpoints in and out of the town and the centre is under the control of the local police.

Mr al-Nakib, who spent much of the Saddam era in exile and studied in Britain, credits local coalition commanders with being "good listeners" willing to take advice on how to improve relations with resentful and hostile locals.

As well as rounding up most of the Saddam loyalists in the area they have also released a number of low-risk prisoners as a goodwill gesture.

It was the 4th Infantry Division that restored democracy to the town, organising caucuses to elect officials last September. how hegemonistic of them!
However, the military also reserves the right to fire those who fall out of favour. Mr al-Nakib got his job after the Americans got rid of his predecessor, a former army general who had been one of the first to side with the coalition.

Mr al-Nakib says the situation will only continue to stabilise if jobs can be found for the workforce, more than 50 per cent of whom are unemployed, and if the transfer of sovereignty promised by the Americans for the end of June comes to pass. "Security, economics and politics all go together," he said. true ’nuff - glad you see it that way. now get together and help jumpstart your country and your city - the Shia are already doing deals and you guys are still using up the ammo you’ve stockpiled
Amar, a barber in the town, was inclined to agree. "I’m happy and I thank God, the Prophet and the Americans for that," he said.

"The Americans have found out who the bad people are and are dealing with them. But more money has to be put in. There are some people here who are really desperate."

Posted by: anon || 03/10/2004 1:18:04 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Teresa Heinz-Ketchup Kerry will will be pissed. Time to send the chad police and correct the evil the 4th ID has wrought in Tikrit.

Posted by: anymouse || 03/10/2004 17:05 Comments || Top||


Task Force Olympia, the Multinational Brigade North
Briefing snippets

  • In total we are about 8,000 U.S. personnel, over 6,000 of whom are in the Stryker Brigade combat team. In addition to U.S. forces, we have an Albanian commando that serves alongside us, and we’re most grateful for their role.
  • We have over 12,000 Iraqi security force members who are under my operational control and perform missions throughout the north.
  • We do have some indications of cross-border operations. Small unit infiltrations -- individual infiltrations, I think, would be more accurate. We focus our collection efforts to try to detect those and intercept those as we are able.

    I think you’ve seen in recent days renewed emphasis on border operations. Principally, this is the Iraqi border police responsibility, and we work closely with them to try to increase their capability.
  • There are training, organizational and equipment shortfalls in the Iraqi security forces. There’s no question about that. Our job is to help them through that, to find for them the equipment, to provide for them the training, and to advise them so that they can become ever increasingly responsible for their own security.

    In my view, the principal shortfall, however, is not tactical but it is in the culture of a people trusting their security forces. Remembering that we are in a place where previously, Iraqi security forces were an oppressive element of the regime, to now convert that and foster in the people of Iraq a trust and confidence that these security forces are their security forces, they are here for the good of all the people, I have found that to be quite a challenge up in the north.

    I’m very confident that we will -- through equipping and training and advising, over time develop in the Iraqi security forces the operational capability that is required. Changing the mindset of the people, in my view, will be a little more difficult.
  • The peshmerga are a militia. It is very clear from statements from the administrator, from the commanding general of CJTF-7, and it is now encapsulated in the transitional administrative law that militias that are not under the federal structure are not helpful to the future of Iraq.

    We have -- we are looking for ways to increasingly incorporate peshmerga forces into legitimate Iraqi security force structure, whether this be taking former peshmerga units and forming them under the Iraqi Civil Defense Corps, or whether this is individual members, former members of the peshmerga serving in the Iraqi armed forces or in another security force construct. It is clear that that is the role ahead for the former peshmerga forces, is with Iraqi security force operations.

    So do we conduct operations with peshmerga? No. Do we conduct operations with ICDC that were formerly peshmerga? And the answer is yes.
  • We do see intelligence reports that indicate that there is a PKK presence along the northern border area. We have not had any contact with any of those forces, have not had any engagement with them, and do not at this time have any plans that are focused in that direction.
  • The Army designed the Stryker Brigade Combat Team to be a very agile and adaptive force. I think it is that. I think the soldiers of the Stryker brigade have demonstrated that. While I have been and Task Force Olympia have been officially in charge of the AOR only since the 5th of February, it is important to note that the Stryker brigade began operations under the command and control of the 4th Infantry Division in early December of 2003. So they had some very good experience under their belt before they moved into the northern sector.

    I think what we see with the Stryker Brigade Combat Team are soldiers who are very comfortable in the ambiguous situations that we find ourselves in. They are comfortable with junior leaders making very important decisions at the tactical level, based on incomplete information, based on their interpretation of the tactical situation. What the technology of the Stryker Brigade Combat Team allows them to do -- first of all, with the Stryker vehicle, it allows them to move very, very quickly, very stealthily at night, in mass combat forces, mostly just mounted infantry at the point of decision. They also have a suite of situational awareness equipment that allows them to see one another across the entire sector that we operate in so they have great -- they understand where one another are all the time and are able to thereby coordinate their operations much more quickly, much more decisively.

    I think, though, the greatest lesson learned that we have seen for the Stryker Brigade Combat Team is that when the Army forces are equipped with the most modern equipment, when they are provided ample training opportunities and when they are empowered at the junior officer and junior non-commissioned officer level to train and make decisions and operate the way we would like them to, the result has been very, very satisfactory.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 03/10/2004 9:10:28 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Chuck - I want to just say THANK YOU for posting the briefings and similar information. Since the information is factual and non-idiotarian, it doesn't generate the comments streams of some articles, but I sure as hell appreciate it - and I'm sure others do too! So, again, THANX!
Posted by: .com || 03/10/2004 20:21 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
PM adviser: no plans for 'eastern fence' in West Bank
Israel does not plan to build a separation fence in the eastern part of the West Bank because of the likely negative political fallout in the international arena, the man who heads the team plotting the route of the fence told Haaretz on Tuesday. "The State of Israel will not build a separation fence in the eastern part of the West Bank because of the diplomatic damage it is likely to endure as a result," said Colonel (res.) Dan Tirza, who is considered the most senior professional adviser to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon on the issue of the fence. "Legally and publicly, the building of the separation fence in the eastern sector is likely to cause serious damage to the state," he said. "So we shouldn't invest money in it."
"Unless the Jordanians want it, which if they're smart, they do."
Tirza also revealed that there will be a 2.3-kilometer hole in the eastern section of the separation fence being built around Jerusalem. The section where no fence or wall will be built is in the area of the Jerusalem-Ma'aleh Adumim road. It is still not clear what type of obstacle will be placed in the area. The Israel Defense Forces has prepared three alternatives that will soon be presented to Sharon and Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz, and will then be brought to the government for approval. The inclination is not to completely seal off Jerusalem so as not to leave Ma'aleh Adumim, which has some 32,000 residents, outside of the separation fence. Tirza said that Kfar Adumim, which is home to 350 families and is east of Ma'aleh Adumim, will not be inside the fence.
"Pack the house, Rachel, looks like we're moving!"
Tirza's team, which meets once a week, includes members of the Defense Ministry, the IDF, and representatives of all the relevant planning and legal authorities in the country. The state prosecutor's office has barred the addition of settlers to the committee, despite such requests. Nevertheless, members of the committee, including Tirza, meet with settler representatives to hear their opinions about the route of the fence. Tirza said his committee has tried to limit the damage wrought by the fence, and that they did not ignore the Green Line. "But one has to remember that the Green Line is not a defensive line," he said. "In places where I can, I move the route of the fence so as not to destroy olive groves and hot houses. Not a single home has been destroyed as a result of the route of the fence. Except for some homes built illegally in the area of Baka al-Garbiyeh."
Gee, the ISM never mentions that in their hate literature.
So far, 26 petitions have been submitted to the High Court of Justice on the issue of the fence. Fifteen were either rejected or a settlement was reached between the sides. Eleven are still being considered by the court. Of these, eight have led to a delay in construction of the fence. "The reason we haven't lost until now on these petitions is because we tried to take as many considerations into account as possible during the planning phase. We tried to find solutions with the local residents or their lawyers."

Tirza also said a number of Israeli lawyers, who represent Palestinians who own land along the route of the separation fence, are trying to "stir things up" and prevent their clients from reaching understandings or deals with the Israeli government over financial compensation for the seizing of their land.
Ah, lawyers, what would the world do without 'em?
Posted by: Steve White || 03/10/2004 12:41:24 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is the pressure-release valve in the fence - and it's certainly pointing in the correct direction. Besides, the friggin' Trans-Jordan Hashemite "king" can pay for it, if he wants the Eastern side built.

To provide temporary fill in this unfenced zone, I'd recommend they use LOTS of M18A1 Claymores with the M57 clackers on manual - for now - to let the rare "sensible" Paleos exit to their Hashemite homeland. They could write "700 steel kisses, courtesy of the ICC" on 'em.
Posted by: .com || 03/10/2004 7:24 Comments || Top||

#2  hmmm... the River Jordan doesn't function as a border barrier? With enuf patrols, defenses, it would
Posted by: Frank G || 03/10/2004 11:09 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Shiites move ahead despite concerns about interim law
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A leading Shiite on the Iraqi Governing Council voiced concerns Tuesday about Iraq's interim constitution but said he is now focusing on developing a government to carry the country into sovereignty this summer. "We will not step away from our responsibilities, and we will stay on until this process is finished and we will not stop," said Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, leader of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq.
Sounds like a politician!
Calling the constitution a "an important step forward," Hakim said council members, faced with delaying the signing, decided to move along the political process instead of stopping it. But he stressed the document must be fine-tuned. "There are various positions that are important and, with much of our efforts, we hope that we can treat and improve on these positions for the future," said Hakim, who said a consensus would be sought for any changes.

Iraqi leaders "cannot impose an unelected law to an elected administration," Hakim said, pointing out that it "would be wrong to force an elected administration [to] abide to the conditions of an unelected administration." He said parts of the new law impose restrictions that may limit the will of the people. "If the majority of the people approve the constitution, the approved constitution will be the one that stays, but in this law there are restrictions, and this is one of the points that are supposed to be treated in the future," he said.

Even with the concerns, Hakim said he does not think Iraq is in danger of a civil war. "We are a unified people, and there are strong ties between the Sunnis and the Shiites; there are strong ties between the Arabs and the Kurds, between the Muslims and the non-Muslims and between all the different sects in Iraq," he said. "We have a strong will and we treat our differences by convincing each other."
That really sounds like a politician!
Posted by: Steve White || 03/10/2004 12:27:53 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Oh shit! With these constitutional rules we can't just take over due to our greater numbers and crush our enemies. What a drag. Oh, okay, we'll give this even-handed everybody has rights thingy a try and see how it works out. Damn! And I was really looking forward to burying that Sunni bastard up to his neck in the desert. I've been collecting scorpions for weeks!"
-Al Shitstani, Shi'a Grand Master of the 10,000 yard stare
Posted by: .com || 03/10/2004 1:44 Comments || Top||

#2  --"cannot impose an unelected law to an elected administration--

So they have to vote on every single law they're going to put in place? Can you imagine voting on every law in the US before it goes on the books? We'd be living at the polls.
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 03/10/2004 2:44 Comments || Top||

#3  Several people have links to the engrish tranlation of the thing - well worth a read.
Posted by: mojo || 03/10/2004 11:15 Comments || Top||


Africa: North
Thousands of Islamist Teachers in Egypt Have Been Fired
Thousands of Islamist teachers were removed from their jobs in Egypt, Egyptian Education Minister Hussein Kamel Bahaeddin said in remarks published Tuesday in the Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper. Asked by the Saudi-owned daily how the government dealt with the infiltration of Islamists into Egyptian schools, Bahaeddin replied: "Thousands of extremist teachers were removed." The minister said his decision to remove them was based on reports from the security services and from supervisors in his ministry as well as on complaints from students’ parents. He added that he "removes a teacher immediately" once he determines he or she is bent on challenging national policy, without saying whether the teachers were removed permanently, according to the London-based daily.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 03/10/2004 12:15:49 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  not to worry--plenty of jobs in the kingdom--at a better wage--just ask sayid qutb's brother
Posted by: SON OF TOLUI || 03/10/2004 1:39 Comments || Top||

#2  Al Asshat Reporter: "So, um, whaddya think yer gonna do with the 'zoid teachers when ya find 'em?"

Minister Bahaeddin: "Well, since they've been subborned by your Wahhabi freaks, maybe we should just shoot 'em and ship the bodies to you guys, asshole."
Posted by: .com || 03/10/2004 6:54 Comments || Top||

#3  wow! Egypt is serious. No wonder he got an invitation to Crawford!

No need to worry though, I'm sure our own Universities are hiring.
Posted by: B || 03/10/2004 10:30 Comments || Top||

#4  "without saying whether the teachers were removed permanently"

can I take that "permanently" as literally dead? heh heh
Posted by: Frank G || 03/10/2004 11:14 Comments || Top||

#5  Please don't compare this to the NEA.
Posted by: Shipman || 03/10/2004 17:32 Comments || Top||

#6  Please don't compare this to the NEA.

I don't know, I think it would be fitting to do unto the NEA...

I consider both the NEA and the Federal employee's unions to be the epitome of why this nation's going to hell in a leaky handbasket. Removing both would certainly slow down the degeneration, and a little hard work might even restore some of the integrity government used to have.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 03/10/2004 19:52 Comments || Top||

#7  Like somebody commented a few days ago:

"Look for the union labble!"
Posted by: Fred || 03/10/2004 21:46 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Kurdish Hostility Towards Arabs Strong Especially in the Irbil Area
As Iraqi and American politicians rush to advocate Iraqi unity in the wake of the recent bombings at Kerbala and Baghdad, Kurdish discrimination against Arabs is increasingly aggravating Iraq’s internal divisions. .... Kurdish suspicion towards the Arabs remains strong after decades of persecution under Saddam Hussein – while recent bombings of the offices of Kurdish political parties have heightened tensions. The increased security has in turn increased Arab hostility towards the Kurds.....

When an Iraq Today correspondent visited Irbil to investigate, he encountered similar treatment at a Kurdish checkpoint on the outskirts of the city. One Kurdish guard told him to stop the car, while another told him to keep moving, saying “why are you stopping? This is not a garage.” The Kurdish soldiers then refused to acknowledge the reporter’s press credentials, and demanded documentation from the Kurdish government before letting him pass. When he finally entered the city, the problems continued as policemen told him to take his car back to Baghdad and return in a taxi....

The unfriendly attitude of Kurdish officials towards Arabs is not shared by ordinary Kurds who remain friendly and welcoming towards visitors. ...

In Sulaimaniyah, however, there are far fewer tensions towards visiting Arabs. “It is different from Irbil, I don’t feel that I’m a stranger, and the security is very good, and as a matter of fact the security forces provide you with as much help as possible,” said Ali al Qaissy, a tourist from Baghdad in Sulaimaniyah. ....

The bad treatment in Irbil can also be a reflection of the aversion that Saddam inculcated among the Kurds towards the innocent Arabs. However, the disparity in attitude between Irbil and Sulaimaniyah towards the Arabs might give a slight hope to the reunification of the Arabs and the Kurds under new Iraq.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 03/10/2004 12:02:18 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I bet the Iraqi press and politicians are NOT pondering, "Why do they hate us"?
Posted by: GK || 03/10/2004 15:38 Comments || Top||


New School Teaching Iraqis How to Make Documentary Films
... Two such Iraqis have returned to their homeland to teach. Particularly, these two are opening a film school to train nascent Iraqi artists. The new school is the brainchild of Maysoon Patchachi and Kasim Abid, two Iraqi film directors and teachers. Patchachi and Abid have been living outside Iraq for the past 30 years, exiles from Iraq. ....

The film schools first classes will be small, only twelve students under 30 years old said Abid. The training will include courses in camera work, lighting and sound. The students will study for 30 hours a week for four weeks. They aim to admit more students in the future....

Abid says he is pleased with the support their project has received from Iraqi, Arab and European filmmakers who plan to teach future courses, set up workshops to train budding Iraqi artists and open a dialogue between filmmakers to discuss their work. ....

The two filmmakers aim to train Iraqis to document the historical transition of their country. “We feel upset when we see any films or news about Iraq but without the Iraqi feeling or through Iraqi eyes,” Abid said. “So, we decided to open this school, because we need Iraqi artists to film this transitional period that the country is going through, this period that will affect Iraq for decades to come.”
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 03/10/2004 00:00:06 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Lol, oh yeah, these are the guys the CA (or anybody with a fucking pair of neurons) wants teaching Iraki Film 101...
Maysoon Pachachi (correct spelling)
Kasim Abid (cached version of the page from Fall 2003)

Yep. Michael Moore would love this pair. Mebbe he and Babs will be the looney wealthy donors these twits are looking for...

"There's a sucker born every minute."
-PT Barnum George Hull

"Hull's statistics are seriously dated."
-.com
Posted by: .com || 03/10/2004 0:28 Comments || Top||

#2  Great. "Bowling for Karbala."
Posted by: Another Dan || 03/10/2004 3:03 Comments || Top||

#3  so why isn't the US army training the good citizens of Iraq to produce films of their own too.

We need to take this threat more seriously IMHO.
Posted by: B || 03/10/2004 11:11 Comments || Top||

#4  "Dude, where's my RPG?"
Posted by: Raj || 03/10/2004 13:02 Comments || Top||

#5  "Four Weddings and A Funeral and Everybody Get's Blown Up".
Posted by: tu3031 || 03/10/2004 16:02 Comments || Top||

#6  LOL Raj & TU.

I was thinking John Ford's ghost could direct....
"She Wore A Yellow Burka"
Posted by: Shipman || 03/10/2004 17:49 Comments || Top||



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Wed 2004-03-10
  Maskhadov may surrender soon - Kadyrov
Tue 2004-03-09
  Rigor mortis for Abu Abbas
Mon 2004-03-08
  Iraqi Council Signs Interim Constitution
Sun 2004-03-07
  Ayman's kid sings!
Sat 2004-03-06
  Hamas, Jihad botch attack on Erez Junction
Fri 2004-03-05
  Yemen extradites founder of Egyptian Islamic Jihad to Egypt; Mubarak invited to Crawford
Thu 2004-03-04
  2 Plead Guilty in Terror Arms Sale Plot
Wed 2004-03-03
  3 Hamas helizapped
Tue 2004-03-02
  200+ dead in attacks on Shiites
Mon 2004-03-01
  Spain seizes ETA boom truck
Sun 2004-02-29
  Jean-Bertrand hangs it up
Sat 2004-02-28
  Binny rumored captured
Fri 2004-02-27
  Sudanese paramilitaries attack aid workers
Thu 2004-02-26
  Darfur rebellion spreads
Wed 2004-02-25
  Riyadh and Cairo Reject Imposed Reforms


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