The Saudi wing of Al Qaeda has called on Muslims to rise up to defend the Iraqi city of Falluja from a "crusader campaign" by U.S.-led forces. "O Muslim youth, obey God and mobilise. Honour is calling, so for how long will you remain on the sidelines?" the Al Qaeda Organisation in the Arabian Peninsula said in the latest edition of its online military magazine Muaskar al-Battar. U.S. forces backed by Iraqi troops surged into the heart of Falluja on Tuesday to regain control of the Sunni Muslim city from insurgents. "The U.S. army launched a crusader campaign against the people of Islam and Sunna in Falluja and nearby areas and the mujahideen (holy fighters) there are determined to defend Islam," the statement said, adding that the Saudi Al Qaeda wing would "do all they could" to help insurgents in Falluja. Iraqi authorities said last month they had captured 24 suspected Saudi militants and diplomats say many more may have slipped across the border to fight in Iraq.
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I hope they're sending reinforcements to defned Islam.
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Erm... given that the city is besieged, and all exits sealed, how do these .... gentlemen ... expect to join their religious compatriots? Do they think Allah will gently pick them up and place them inside the city?
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âThe U.S. army launched a crusader campaign against the people of Islam and Sunna in Falluja and nearby areas and the mujahideen (holy fighters) there are determined to defend Islam,â
Are Mecca, Medina, Riyadh, Damascus, Homs, Tehran, Qom, Bandar Abbas, Cairo, Aden, Khartoum, and Alexandria still standing? Are the Arab portions of the world still sand and not radioactive glass? Then STFU - we're not waging a "crusade". If we were, there would be no more "Arabs" in the world, except perhaps a few in Phrawnce as pets. AQ brought the mess in Afghanistan and Iraq upon themselves by attacking the United States. Now we're going to see that, at least in these two countries, the people who want to do something like 9/11 don't get the chance. If you don't like us kicking you in the cojones, then stop trying to bully us. It doesn't work.
Oh, but just go ahead and explode a dirty nuke in the United States, and see how fast your "crusade" meme becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. Also note that we won't play with kid's gloves after that - ALL bets will be off. A society that condones and promotes killing innocents has no legal or moral justification for existing.
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Old Patriot... your right. When that first terrorist nuke goes off in the US, then the enemy will truely understand war.
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âO Muslim youth, obey God and mobilise. Honour is calling, so for how long will you remain on the sidelines?â
They'll be right behind you when you show up in Falluja, O Mouthpiece.
Al Qaeda supporters in Saudi Arabia dismissed as speculation on Wednesday reports that prominent militant Saleh al-Awfi had been killed and replaced as their local leader. But they threw no light on the fate of the man who was widely believed to have taken over leadership of Osama bin Laden's network in Saudi Arabia in June and then disappeared from view.
Several Saudi newspapers reported last week that Awfi was dead or at least replaced as local Al Qaeda chief after another wanted militant, Saud al-Oteibi, put his name to an article in Al Qaeda's online newsletter Sawt al-Jihad (Voice of Jihad). "How foolish they are. Sheikh Saud has written the foreword to the magazine for four months or more and they haven't come to this conclusion until now," said a commentary in Muaskar al-Battar, Al Qaeda's military online magazine.
The Interior Ministry says it has no proof Awfi was dead but officials say it was possible he died from wounds suffered during clashes in Riyadh in July or September. Diplomats said Oteibi's raised profile could be a declaration he was taking charge of operations in Saudi Arabia, which says it is winning its 18-month battle with militants who have attacked foreigners and security forces. Although there have been no major attacks in the kingdom for more than five months, several foreigners have been shot dead since then and diplomats say they believe Al Qaeda is planning further strikes.
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Al Qaedaâs military online magazine??? Where can I get a translated copy of THIS?
Four Islamists sentenced to seven years in jail on charges of plotting attacks in Kuwait had their sentences quashed yesterday by the country's highest court, a judicial source said. The four Kuwaiti men, Khaled Al-Enezi, Adel Ali, Bader Jumaa and Dubais Al-Azmi, had been sentenced to seven years in jail after their arrest in 2003 on charges which also included possession of illegal weapons. "The appeals court had earlier this year sentenced them to seven years in prison and now the Court of Cassation has found them innocent," said the source, without elaborating.
Nothing's exploded in Kuwait lately, has it?
Meanwhile, two Kuwaitis accused of financing militant operations in Iraq and collaborating with Al-Qaeda ally Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi were acquitted on Sunday by a court, security sources said yesterday. The men were identified as Mohammad Al-Adwani and Mohsen Al-Fadli. Al-Adwani was arrested in July on suspicion of aiding the funding of militants in Iraq. He was accused of cooperating with Jordanian-born militant Zarqawi, whose network has claimed responsibility for several killings and kidnappings in Iraq. Al-Fadli, who has not been arrested yet, is suspected of links with Osama Bin Laden's Al-Qaeda group and is accused of enlisting Kuwaiti youths to fight foreign troops in Kuwait and Iraq. "The two men were found innocent by the court. But there's definitely going to be an appeal to change the verdict," one source said. "The prosecution will press more charges as well," it added.
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At least 22 Chechen rebels were killed by Russian troops in the separatist republic, including a man officials say was linked to the assassination of Chechnya's pro-Moscow president Akhmad Kadyrov. Ramzan Kadyrov, the killed leader's son, said elite troops had infiltrated a rebel base in Chechnya's turbulent Vedensky district and killed 22 militants in a brief gun battle, the Interfax news agency reported. "Emir Suleiman, or Khairulla, was among the dead, the man who publicly claimed responsibility for the act of terror that took place on May 9 in Grozny," and that took the life of his father, Interfax quoted Kadyrov as saying Monday. Russia's NTV channel showed pictures of scorched bodies, some clad in camouflage gear and some still clinging to their AK-47s, piled in front of a brick building, with Russian soldiers silently picking over them. "We know that Basayev's closest allies have been killed," Ruslan Alkhanov, Chechnya's acting interior minister, said in remarks shown on NTV.
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Didn't this run a few days ago? Or is this a different 22 bad guys.
PS - the alias generator is getting damn close to harassment, Fred.
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Hmmmmm.... I sense an attempt at hourmors.
Operation Revenge, which is being carried out by law enforcement agencies in Chechnya, will continue until the leaders of illegal armed units are wiped out, Chechen President Alu Alkhanov told the press in Grozny on Wednesday. The Chechen Interior Ministry and other agencies are "carrying out uninterrupted operations to find Basayev and Maskhadov," Alkhanov said. "Operation Revenge, which was launched several months ago, will last until the complete elimination of the leaders of illegal armed groups and the eradication of terrorism," he said. Alkhanov praised the outcome of special operations that were recently conducted in the Vedeno district, in which prominent separatist leaders were killed.
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sounds exactly like Israel's tactics. where's the world condemnation? Oh. I forgot. They're not Jewish.
Guerrilla commander Rezvan Isayev, a close associate of Chechen separatist leader Shamil Basayev, is among the fighters killed in a recent large-scale operation in Chechnya's Vedeno district, the republic's acting Interior Minister Ruslan Alkhanov told Interfax by telephone on Tuesday. "Another two militants who held high-ranking posts in the hierarchy of illegal armed units have been identified as well," Alkhanov said. He confirmed an earlier report that more than 20 guerrillas were killed in the operation. These is evidence suggesting that militant commander Khairulla, who is wanted for involvement in the terrorist attack in Grozny on May 9, 2004, which killed Chechen President Akhmad Kadyrov, might have been killed as well, Alkhanov said.
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Two Dutch churches were attacked by arsonists, in apparent retaliation for earlier attacks on mosques, while an opinion poll showing 40 per cent of Dutch people no longer considered Muslims welcome underlined a rapid deterioration of tolerance in the previously liberal Netherlands. A sarcastic letter was read out to van Gogh's killer, promising "we will do our very best to learn more about your beliefs to prevent further misunderstanding", and apologising that the killing "had to happen in the middle of Ramadan".
At the funeral, crowds waved banners demanding "Let's protect our freedom of speech" and "No to fundamentalism". Van Gogh's elderly mother told the congregation that everyone affected should be allowed to express their anger: "Let no social worker, psychologist or another member of the thought police tell us we cannot hate, that we have to turn the other cheek."
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Those who love freedom and toleration, as the Dutch, will have to fight the hardest. For the Dutch a nation with a heart and heritage this 9/11 is for them.
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In a way, it might be for the best that Holland has become the flashpoint in Europe for this clash of civilisations, since it is the most liberal and tolerant of nations. In other words, if even the Dutch find it impossible to live with islam, then the rest of us can hardly be blamed for failing to assimilate the muslim hordes.
Dutch military special forces laid siege to a house in The Hague after three police officers were injured in a hand-grenade blast during an anti-terrorist raid. Authorities closed the airspace over the city to civilian flights. Police evacuated the Laakkwartier neighborhood following the raid, at 2:45 a.m. local time today. The grenade was thrown from the house. Suspects remained on the premises, the national crime prosecution unit said in an e-mail, without saying if there'd been arrests. Amsterdam's Schiphol airport stayed open.
The siege underscores tensions in the Netherlands following the Nov. 2 murder of Theo van Gogh, a filmmaker and critic of Islam. A suspect holding Moroccan and Dutch passports was arrested the same day, and arson attacks on at least two mosques and Islamic schools followed. In the past week, an intelligence agent was suspended for leaking information, De Telegraaf said. ``I am very concerned about the hardening of society in the Netherlands,'' Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende said in an interview on NOS television. ``We all need each other. At the moment, we are acting in a very non-Dutch way.''
Police officers stood at roadblocks in the neighborhood of the house under siege, and snipers were on the roofs of homes, images on national television showed. Police have drawn no public link between today's raid and the Van Gogh murder. In the most recent arson attack on a Muslim institution, a fire damaged a primary school in the southern Dutch town of Uden yesterday afternoon, Mayor Joke Kersten said.
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SPOD -- American FBI agents who are members of the Religion of Hacking People to Pieces have refused to take part in investigations of their co-religionists. Translators have had some rather curious conflicts of interest, as well as curiously slow results.
So your supposition isn't that too far out on the limb.
``I am very concerned about the hardening of society in the Netherlands,ââ Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende said in an interview on NOS television. ``We all need each other. At the moment, we are acting in a very non-Dutch way.ââ
Well, many of the non-Dutch in your society ARE acting in a non-Dutch way, yes. It's odd how those things tend to go together.
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does he believe this? We all need each other.
The killers don't seem to think so but he seems to be blaming the crowd.
Dutch police stormed an apartment and arrested two people on Wednesday, ending a 14-hour stand-off that began when suspects sought in anti-terrorism probe wounded three officers in a hand grenade blast. A police spokesman said a special police unit entered the apartment in The Hague to end the drama that began when officers launched a pre-dawn raid on the building. Police said the suspects resisted arrested and threw a grenade at them.
Thought they were still back in Pakistan, did they?
Heavily armed police had circled the building all day, which is located in a poor neighborhood of The Hague where almost half the population is nuts immigrant. The area was cordoned off and the airspace over the city closed. One bystander estimated there were almost 200 police on the scene, including officers wearing balaclava masks and carrying machineguns. "The police are now investigating the apartment," the police spokesman said. "The siege is over." Shots had been heard as dusk fell. Police said in a statement one of the suspects had been injured in the shoulder.
You'll have to work on that aim, I guess...
Officials declined to say whether the operation was linked to last week's killing of Van Gogh by a suspected Islamic militant that has sparked apparent tit-for-tat attacks on churches and mosques. Violence has spiralled in the Netherlands — a country renowned for its tolerance and liberal views — since Van Gogh was shot and stabbed as he cycled to work on Nov. 2. More than 10 mosques and churches have been hit by arson attacks since Van Gogh was killed. On Tuesday night there was an arson attack on a Muslim school, where the words "Theo R.I.P." were scrawled on the walls along with a "White Power" sign. A little-known Islamist group threatened on Tuesday to hit the Netherlands if the attacks on Muslim buildings did not stop. The country has received several threats from Islamic militants over the presence of 1,300 of its troops in Iraq. Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende, who visited the Muslim primary school gutted by a fire, told parliament he would work with organizations representing the almost 1 million Muslims who make up almost 6 percent of the population. "We must not allow ourselves to be swept away in a maelstrom of violence," he said. "Free expression of opinion, freedom of religion and other basic rights are the foundation stones of our state and our democracy. They are valid for everybody, always."
Thank you for the warm milk. Do you have any substantive plan of action? Or are you waiting for it all to blow over?
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Good thing Den Haag is right handy to the International Criminal Court, nu?
Two Dutch churches were attacked by arsonists, apparently in retaliation for earlier attacks on mosques. An opinion poll on the day of the funeral showed that 40 per cent of Dutch people no longer considered Muslims welcome. A Muslim school in the southern Dutch village of Uden was burnt down last night. The attackers left a message referring to the murder. Van Gogh, whose last film, Submission, criticised the treatment of women under Islam, was cremated in a ceremony broadcast on large screens for the crowds outside an Amsterdam cemetery and live on national television. A sarcastic letter was read out to Van Gogh's killer, promising "we will do our very best to learn more about your beliefs to prevent further misunderstanding" and apologising that the killing "had to happen in the middle of Ramadan". At the funeral, crowds waved banners demanding: "Let's protect our freedom of speech" and "No to fundamentalism".
However, on Wednesday morning an explosion occurred during a police raid at a house which has led to the closure of the airspace over The Hague. Three Dutch police officers have been wounded during the raid which began early today, police said. Shots were fired as police conducted the operation on behalf of national prosecutors. Prosecutors would not confirm whether the raid was connected to an investigation in the alleged terrorist slaying of van Gogh on November 2. One unidentified neighbour told Dutch television that she heard a police negotiator tell an apparent suspect in the building to "come out, and no body will get hurt". But the suspect yelled back "I'll behead you, I'll behead you," she said.
"Yar! I'll cut yer 'ead off!"
Six suspects, believed to be members of a terrorist group, remain in custody, in connection with van Gogh's murder, including the alleged killer, Dutch-Moroccan Mohammed Bouyeri, 26. However, prosecutors have declined to comment on media reports that the authorities are hunting a Syrian they suspect of involvement in the Van Gogh murder, threats against a politician and for planning attacks on government buildings, according to Reuters news agency.
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"So- who owns this building?"
"Herr Shickelgruber, I believe, Commander..."
"Well, tell him he's gonna need a new one. Open fire."
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This isn't the start of anything yet. The Leftist PC brigades will makes sure that a disproportionate amount of police and legal action comes down to defend the islamic colonists.
It's going to take a lot more for this to "start" than a couple of murders and arson attacks.
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The Dutch are unique in many issues concerning individual freedom. Theo Van Gogh film presented the "unshowable," in the US & UK (which is a subsiduary of Arab petro-empire; Churchill is forgotten). In the US the criminal is always right and the victim guilty. Historically Dutch gave freedom and representative government to the world. Slaying a Van Gogh is at the heart of their small but magnificent culture. I am with the Dutch to show the world some guts.
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Prosecutors would not confirm whether the raid was connected to an investigation in the alleged terrorist slaying ... But the suspect yelled back "Iâll behead you, Iâll behead you,"
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The Kingdom of the Netherlands is perhaps the most Libertarian nation in the world. These folks do not take kindly to people disrupting their liberal, open society. They are fed up. 40% now say islam is a threat. This was the wrong group of people to piss off.
Spanish police said they arrested two Pakistanis suspect overnight in Barcelona for alleged membership in an Islamic terrorist group police said they had broken up in a September raid in the northeastern city. Spanish judge Ismael Moreno ordered the operation, which arrested the first 10 Pakistani suspects on September 15. They have been placed in preventive detention pending charging for suspected membership in a terrorist group and drug trafficking. The identity of the latest suspects was not disclosed, nor their alleged role in the group. They were both arrested late Tuesday.
The first 10 had several kilogrammes of high-quality heroin and forged documents in their possession when detained, according to police, who also said they are not suspected of involvement in the March 11 train bombings in Madrid that killed 191 people in the country's worst-ever terrorist attack. The 10 also held videos, one of which, filmed in 2002, showed images of several well-known buildings in Barcelona, including the World Trade Centre and the Maremagnum leisure centre. Judicial sources said the video images were not those normal tourists would take and that some footage shows imams calling for jihad ('holy war'). The two new suspects were arrested during police raids on five locations in Barcelona's Raval district, where much of the city's Pakistani community lives, police said. The daily El Pais, citing police sources, reported last month that the group was helping finance the Al-Qaeda terror network through money transfers to Pakistan. It said the Barcelona group in 2004 reportedly transferred money in the name of three people close to Kuwaiti suspect Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who is detained in the United States and considered one of the brains behind the September 11 terror attacks in the United States.
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One Turkish soldier and three extreme left-wing militants were killed Tuesday in fighting in the country's eastern province of Tunceli, a statement from the governor's office said. The clash erupted during a security sweep on rural ground near the small Rubaik village, the statement said, adding that the operation was continuing with air cover. It did not name the left-wing underground organization involved in the fighting, but members of the Maoist Turkish Workers' and Peasants' Liberation Army (TIKKO), which aspires to create a communist regime, have long been active in the Tunceli area, along with armed Kurdish rebels.
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I thought TIKKO was the little robot guy in Buck Rogers.
An unknown number of terrorist suspects is holding out in an appartment relatively close to the centre of the Ducth city The Hague. On a press conference at 10h A.M. local time the dutch authoroties anounced that during a raid last night three police officers were injured due to a handgrenade blast. Currently a stand-off remains as dutch authoroties prepare for a second raid. The immediate vincinity of the appartment in which the suspects hide has been evacuated. Source: Dutch radio news broadcast
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Media reports police SWAT team encountered grenades while entering terrorist safe house, 3 wounded, shooting. Military SWAT teams now surrounded the house...air space above The Hague closed.....ambulance and fire fighters gathering at the scene.....violent ending of the action expected.........
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The assassination of Theo van Gogh, the Dutch film-maker whose funeral took place yesterday, is something new in Europe. There are, of course, antecedents. Fifteen years have passed since Ayatollah Khomeini issued his fatwa against Salman Rushdie: the first shot in the culture war between fundamentalist Islam and the West. But there is no precedent for the ritual slaughter of a prominent artist in broad daylight on the streets of Amsterdam.
For the Dutch, this murder is not only sinister: it is symbolic. Van Gogh - distantly related to Holland's most celebrated artist - was shot on his bicycle, another national emblem. As he writhed on the ground, the murderer cut his throat without mercy and left him with two knives protruding from his body: a method that is apparently common in North Africa, but unheard of here. Just in case there was any doubt about the symbolism of this butchery, a note was found pinned to his chest, containing death threats against three other public figures.
The resonance of this hideous crime, not only in the Netherlands, but across the whole of continental Europe, is difficult for the British to comprehend. We have no conception of the status accorded to the artist in countries that have known totalitarian dictatorship within living memory. The Nazis and the Communists liquidated or exiled the intelligentsia wherever they could. Persecution cast a shadow across the Continent from which it has still not wholly recovered. Hence the reverence in which the artist is held. Hence the cult of dissent at any price, however absurd, pretentious or childish. Hence the aversion to censorship of any kind, including self-censorship. For a post-traumatic culture, the artist is a high priest. The murder of an artist for the sake of his art shocks secular Europe rather as martyrdom once shocked Christendom. Theo van Gogh is a secular martyr.
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As the Dutch wake up and start standing up to
the muslim fanatics there is probably going to be
a counter-reaction from Al-Qaidazoids and their recruits.
I wonder if we are not witnessing the beginning of
a chain reaction that will sweep Europe like a forest fire.
Whatever passes to be, its most likely going to be ugly. However it is probably better to amputate your finger than to have your whole body
sucumb to gangrene.
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But the longer-term solution is the American one: respect people of faith, give them real economic opportunities in a growing economy, and leave them alone. We have used this formula brilliantly throughout our history to attract hardworking, business-savvy religious minorities, from the Quakers and the mennonites in PA to the mormons in the west and Dutch reformed in MI to hasidim in NY and Iraqi Chaldeans in Dearborn MI to sikhs and Korean methodists in California.
The Euros' problem is that, instead of strivers, they brought in millions of islamist resenters from Africa and the middle east, ie people who are more concerned with attacking jews and their own women than they are with building businesses and social networks that help their own to succeed. Compounding the problem is the limited access to capital and the myriad difficulties facing small entrepreneurs.
Trouble ahead. Get ready for another wave of European emigration to the US, this time the good European muslims, the strivers who will find in the US plenty of tolerance, opportunity and above all, no state interference. Bring them here, the more strivers the better.
As mentioned in a different thread you can download and watch Submission Part 1. This link goes to a montage - click on it and you will get the video. (or right-click and do a save link as...).
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Van Gogh's murder is the Dutch 9/11? We can only hope and we can only hope that its not too late for an effective resistance there.
How lucky they would be if all it took was the loss of one life rather than the loss of 3000 lives for them and maybe the rest of the continent to wake up to reality.
If they do wake up and mount a civilized resistence there just might be hope for at least some of Europe even after the shameful Spanish debacle.
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Van Gogh's murder is the Dutch 9/11? We can only hope and we can only hope that its not too late for an effective resistance there.
How lucky they would be if all it took was the loss of one life rather than the loss of 3000 lives for them and maybe the rest of the continent to wake up to reality.
If they do wake up and mount a civilized resistence there just might be hope for at least some of Europe even after the shameful Spanish debacle.
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The Dutch are unique in many issues concerning individual freedom. Its history bares it out. The small but great free nations such Danmark and Holland are being swallowed by EU immigration quotas. France has been swallowed up and spit out. Islam is forcing a show down in every country in the world. Spain, an attack and immediate defeat. Those who love freedom and toleration, as the Dutch, will have to fight the hardest. The biggest issue is immigration, illegal must be eliminated and legal must be secured. 9/11 Happened. How many have been stopped? For the Dutch a nation with a heart and heritage this 9/11 is for them.
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AN EXPLOSION during a police raid on a house in The Hague early today wounded three police officers, while Dutch authorities closed the air space over the city as part of the operation. Authorities would not confirm whether the raid was connected to an investigation into possible terrorist suspects, and it was not immediately clear why air space over the city - which has no major airports - had been closed. Several city blocks were cordoned off in a mostly immigrant neighbourhood near The Hague's Holland Spoor train station, and police demanded identification from anyone wishing to leave. The explosion occurred as police raided the house during an operation they said was conducted on behalf of national prosecutors. Gunshots were also heard during the raid. Two police officers were hospitalised in serious but not life-threatening condition, and one was treated and released with minor injuries, police spokesman Frans van Rijnswou said.
The building was surrounded by police in riot gear, fire engines, ambulances and swat teams. Photographers on the scene showed images of a man of Asian descent being dragged from the building clad only in boxer shorts and escorted away, but police would not confirm the apparent arrest. They did confirm there were still suspects in the building. Authorities would not say whether the raid was connected to an investigation in the alleged terrorist slaying of filmmaker Theo van Gogh on November 2. Van Gogh had received death threats after the release of his most recent film about the treatment of women under Islam. There have been more than a dozen arson attacks in the Netherlands against churches and mosques since Van Gogh's killing in Amsterdam more than a week ago. Six suspects, believed to be members of a terrorist group, remain in custody, including the alleged killer, 26-year-old Mohammed Bouyeri, who holds dual Dutch and Moroccan nationality.
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Update....More and more manpower arriving at the scene....police SWAT has been replaced by Marines Special OPS team and sniper teams....large number of ambulances and firetrucks also arriving indicating violent ending.....I remember the pictures of Madrid when terrorists blew them selfs up......
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Stay safe, DG, and thanks for the first-hand report.
This is happening practically within sight of the International Kangaroo Criminal Court.
The dhimmi elements of the Euro media are probably shitting themselves trying to figure out to spin it.
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Phuckin morons, some Brits (one wrote this story I would guess) reason consider some middle easterners, afghans, paks even indians asians. Stuff going bomb sounds like things are worse than the Cops thought.
DutchGeek take care.
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Phuckin morons, some Brits (one wrote this story I would guess) reason consider some middle easterners, afghans, paks even indians asians.
Yeah, SPoD. That's beacuse i) they are Asians (what continent do those folks come from if it's not Asia?); ii) the word Asian has come to commonly denote different types of Asians in the US and the UK, and elsewhere. Our most familiar Asians are the ones you've listed (legacy of empire means that the majority of Asian immigrants to the UK are from the Indian subcontinent); I presumes your most familiar Asians are the ones most proximal to the US - the East Asians. Getting flustered by Europeans' use of the words 'Asian' to describe different Asians from the ones you expect is like a Brit raging about Americans' use of the word fanny to describe what is patently a bum. ;)
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Ahhah, SPOD, this is obviously another uprising by Moonie terrorists, no doubt incited by evil mastemind Karl Rove and the Washtington Times.
Seriously, it appears that this guy is just someone who was caught up in the action. There are many east Asians in the Netherlands.
A large part of the Islamos are not Asian but North African, though "Asian" is a common European catch-all term for any dark-skinned people who are not Americans or sub-Saharan Africans.
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Likely collaborationist MSM spin:
Minimize if possible (ala LLL terrorist at Los Angeles consulate).
Vague description of perps; "Asian" or "North African" rather than "Muslim" or "Arab," (always a dhimmi-media favorite.)
Islamos provoked by American "atrocities" in Iraq (see "Fisk, Robert").
Excessive force by Dutch authorities (Close-ups of guns and blood if possible, loaded language; "brutal," "violent," "heavily armed," etc.)
Prominent emphasis on "Abdul in the street" whining ("we did nothing, nothing, and they come for us like Nazis!")
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Media reports a lot of explosives might be in the building.....Madrid like scenario is being talked about more often.....wild rumors circulating that tanks and helicopters might be deployed but that still looks a little wild to me....
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Nearby residents told ANP news agency they were jolted awake by a huge blast. "It was like a war movie being played out in front of my house," said Sylvia Cordia, 42. She told ANP a first blast came from a boobytrap attached to a door, then a grenade was thrown before police and suspects exchanged gunfire.
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One man â dressed only in underwear â was seen being escorted by two police officers in bullet proof vests to a police van on the Lorentzplein at about 8am. Authorities later revealed he had not been arrested.
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it was not immediately clear why air space over the city - which has no major airports - had been closed.
To prevent the French from giving the terrorists air support, that's why.
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Authorities later revealed he had not been arrested.
They don't have indecent exposure laws?
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Rumor has it 10 people are in the building.....
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thanks for keeping us informed DG , seems BBC like usual, is being selective in what it shows its readership , i have been checking back here for updates from u regularly . If Fred gets any money as per visit to this site , he'll be a millionaire soon , the amount of hits i have had today :p
The Dutch parliament is scheduled to discuss tomorrow what should be done in the wake of Van Gogh's murder. The position of Interior Minister Johan Remkes, responsible for the intelligence service, the AIVD, is under pressure, De Telegraaf reported.
An AIVD employee leaked information to a group to which the suspected killer of Van Gogh belonged, the newspaper said.
Balkenende has asked for a probe into possible AIVD leaks. In the cabinet, Justice Minister Piet-Hein Donner has been named the coordinating official in dealing with terrorist attacks.
What is going on over there?
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Lots is haapening here in The Netherlands...the reason why there is such a low priority is that this scenario can happen in every Western European country at the moment. The cooking point between natives and the muslim immigrants is red hot now and politics is way too late.....I tell u way too late.....other countries like Belgium, Germany etc are holding their breath and hope it won't get worse in The Netherlands in order to keep there own garden clean......
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Regarding the "Asian" remarks and little controversy:
1) Hey, SPoD! Get out your Rand McNally and catch up on your geography. Bulldog is right. Or is it because Israel is in the Eurovision song contest and their soccer teams qualify for European Cup you think the Middle East is European?
2) He is most likely either Moluccan or Indonesian. Remember Indonesia is the world's largest Muslim country and an ex-Dutch colony. Look no further than those two facts.
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I believe the asians rioting were mainly of Pakistani origin, more accurately classified muslim than asian (or middle eastern), but as per usual obscuration was the order of the day in the reporting.
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Dutch authorities will give a press conference @ 18:00 CET.... For the time being only 2 people were arested,,,one was wounded....currently they check the building on explosives.....Ok I leave it to our government regulated news networks now ;D
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ananymous2u - it's not PC. In the UK, Pakistanis are usually referred to as 'Asians', or members of the 'Asian community' by everyone (who isn't using the term 'Paki', which is considered an insult). The great majority of our Muslim immigrants are from Pakistan, India and Bangladesh. They're all referred to as 'Asians', and people understand who's being referred to by that term. Other 'Asians' are Hindus and Sikhs, and some Buddhists, which I agree may may lead to confusion, especially I fear in the future, but Indian Muslims are from places as geographically 'Asian' as Indian Hindus and Sikhs. More so Bangladesh. We don't tend to put India in the area known as the ME, nor Pakistan, for that matter. Look at the BBC News website - those three make up the bulk of the South Asian region (sometimes referred to as the Indian subcontinent). May sound odd to American ears, but it's got nothing to do with people trying to conflate or confuse different immigrant groups for the purpose of misleading an audience.
We simply have many more South Asians than you, and fewer East Asians. The American idea of an 'Asian' is different from the British.
Arabs are usually be referred to as Arabs or Middle Easterners, not 'Asian'.
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Bulldog-maybe it's a regional thing. The definitions you give for "Asian" sound about right in terms of the way I've heard it used here in Illinois.
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Britain has millions of Asians from the subcontinent and relatively few from east Asia. Basically the reverse of our situation. Makes perfect sense for the Brits to use "Asian" to designate indians/pakistanis/bangladeshis.
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In the early 80's, shortly after the embassy adventure in Tehran, I had a Dutch exchange student live with me. He had a bumper sticker on his suitcase that said, in Dutch, "Make Iran a Parking Lot". He is 40ish now, and in reviewing recent events, I suspect I know where he stands. I think there might be a little less love in Holland for these Jihadists than they are accustomed to in the EU.
#2
The Dutch are a very practical people. They understand clearly when their way of life is being f*cked with. Killing a dutchman on his bicycle was a bridge to far for the Dutch jihadi tendency.
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Three officers wounded two severely by a handgrenade thrown from a house in The Hague, a shitload of police, swat an marines are being directed to The Hague as we speak, one person arrested more are suspected to be present in the building that the grenade was thrown from, airspace over The Hague closed. One person of Morrrocan origin said to have infiltrated intekkigence services and to have informed the killer of Van Gogh that he was being watched.
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I think islam is as dumb and dangerous religion as a religion can get and I think that we should definitely take all steps, legal,rhetorical, and when necessary military to stop its spread in the West. But torching an elementary school is just fecking shameful. I dont care if there were no students inside. The right wingers there are on a rapid downward slide to same regions where the islamofascists slither.
And the Europeans have the @@#$$%! NERVE to call us Americans uncivilized???
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Excellent point Peggy -- 3,000 American dead and there were no schools torched here.
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Torching schools is bad practice any way you look at it.
However, that said, i would not mind seeing new dutch legislation giving the interior office the authority to immediately deport any Islamic person practicing incitement, anti-Dutch propaganda or who publicly call for violence (including any person or fake Imam who issues any Fatwa whatsoever).
The Dutch must decide now if the want a democracy
or a Sharia run state !
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But torching an elementary school is just fecking shameful. I dont care if there were no students inside.
It beats sawing heads off.
It is a reflection of the lack of confidence in the government to protect the people. What would the U. S. reaction have been if Gore had been president and had played with himself and Chiraq for 6 months instead of attacking Afghanistan a month later?
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vigilantism, big-time
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Bulldog and Howard may be able to better vouch for this but it is my understanding that next to the Brits the biggest bunch of soccer hooligans are the Dutch. There are a lot of racial epithets thrown around at their games. So it is not surprising that there would be a "skinhead element backlash" like this.
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I'm sure I'll take heat for saying so, but I believe that the torching of the Islamic school (while unoccupied) was simply some Dutch folks determination that the Muslims are *NOT* going to sit around in their county WITHOUT assimilating.
Blow them all up (while unoccupied) for all I care.
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Theo Van Gogh had more courage and truthtelling in his film than bigtime America or UK pc correcto trash such as hack Tom Clancy, in the "flim" with Ben Affleck, changed the identity of the A-Bombing of USA from Arabs to white Euronazis. Don't forget the original crime with feelgood reactions to over-reactions.
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Hey!-- Don't you just love America? All of us "red staters" (whom the left accuses of being bigoted red necks), in our homes, abiding by the rule of law, talking to each other on the internet instead of burning down schools . . . I agree with peggy.
The Dutch can be extreme, wild. They ruled Indonesia for 400 years (and some of them weren't very "nice," either). Not surprising what happened in retaliation to the murder of Van Gogh, but I'm still saddened that the hot-heads/skin-heads will now assume they have an "excuse" any and all for unjust actions (like the elementary school fire).
OTOH, and IMHO, if Norway gets fed up, there should be real cause for concern (among Moslems). Practical, hardboiled, pragmatic--I think the Norwegians are a kind of social barometer over there. Keep an eye on them for a more accurate "pulse" on the Northmen.
BTW--my take is that Van Gogh would be considered a troll if he posted his viewpoints on Rantburg. He was kind of a jerk. He shouldn't have been murdered, but he was saying a lot of completely outrageous things. An anti-Moslem Boris, Murat or Antiwar type on steroids.
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I wouldn't want to see Murat dead. And I'm not sure the comparison is fair to Murat. He's civil, if wrong. Boris, on the other hand...
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Sorry to be a contrarian, but I think the Euros are screwed here, no matter their response. They simply cannot grasp that the only real solution here is the American one: respect people of faith, give them real economic opportunities in a growing economy, and leave them alone.
We have used this formula brilliantly throughout our history to attract hardworking, business-savvy religious minorities, from the Quakers and the mennonites in PA to the mormons in the west and Dutch reformed in MI to hasidim in NY and Iraqi Chaldeans in Dearborn MI to sikhs and Korean moonies and fundamentalists in California. These religious minorities work hard hard and yet preserve their religious distinctiveness. We welcome the latter because it accompanies and supports their work ethic and their economic contribution.
The Euros' problem is that, instead of strivers, they brought in millions of islamist resenters from Africa and the middle east, ie people who are more concerned with attacking jews and their own women than they are with building businesses and social networks that help their own to succeed. Compounding the problem is the limited access to capital and the myriad difficulties facing small entrepreneurs.
Trouble ahead. Get ready for another wave of European emigration to the US, this time the good European muslims, the strivers who will find in the US plenty of tolerance, opportunity and above all, no state interference. Bring them here, the more strivers the better.
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OATH OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."
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Who wants to see Murat DEAD, Mrs. Davis? I was speaking of the high-charged vitriol that often characterizes his, and other trolls' posts, being like that of Van Gogh in some ways. This is the point: if Van Gogh had been more prudent in his speech, he may have had the chance to educate people on the dangers of Islam for years to come. If you're gonna play to win, you gotta play smart. Okay? Is that clear now?
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IMHO if you look at the range of his oeuvre, if that's the right word, it seems clear that Theo Van Gogh was part of the problem. He spewed hatred and contempt for religion and for ordinary people no matter what their faith. This is the sort of bile that's become not just respectable in art circles but even de rigeur.
The grand irony here is that his great grandfather Vincent, an artist with real talent and inspiration, was despite his avant-garde techniques a man of profound humanity who had deep respect for ordinary people and their faith. Here's Vincent's description of one of his more famous, pre-expressionist paintings, The Potato Eaters: http://www.vangoghgallery.com/visitors/004.htm
"I wanted to convey the idea that the people eating potatoes by the light of an oil lamp used the same hands with which they take food from the plate to work the land, that they have toiled with their hands--that they have earned their food by honest means"
Note the following: Respect for ordinary people. Humility. A sense of the sacredness of work and family. And not least, real artistic skill. All of the above are sorely lacking among Europe's idiotarian cultural elites, of whom Theo Van Gogh was a card-carrying member.
#31
At some point, coming soon to a venue near you, a new vocabulary, a new paradigm of discussion and reasoning must become the norm. It will be correctly devoid of Western values-laden finger-wag phrases. It will be realspeak.
It won't compare the sources of Islam's real power, in this case one of their indoctrination centers (a.k.a. schools - perhaps better described as madrassahs which carries the far more accurate connotation, no?) to the nice little Thomas Jefferson Elementary school a few blocks from home.
It won't keep confusing what you know and accept in your daily life with superficially similar things in Islam. It will teach Westerners, the hard way, no doubt, as this thread indicates is needed so clearly, that the similarity is, indeed, superficial - an exceptionally easy mistake to make - and dangerous beyond your wildest dreams...
Let's start to "get it" and the first step is to stop thinking Western - and start learning to think as they do - then the case becomes quite clear: this incident is an attack on an indoctrination center - and if duplicated country-wide, would be a good step toward pulling the asshats' Islamist Dominion Dreams in the Netherlands out by the roots.
I you don't follow my thinking, a few suggestions... For example, think: Beslan. Think: no more, ever again. Think: get rid of Islam - send the Wahhabists and their bought-&-paid-for minions and apologists packing. Think: freedom does not mean you can use my freedoms against me.
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I do not know the funding sources for these Dutch mosques, but I will bet a guilder that it is from Wahhabists in Saudi Arabia. THERE is where our enemy is, and where he has always been. Everything points to funding in either SA or Iran. We (the western world) are funding our own destruction with our petrodollars (petroeuros). The solution, of course, is to deny the Wahhhabists their money, and that means take them out or take away their source of funds and that is Saudi oil. There is where at least 2/3 of the solution lies. Then all the bad-ass madrassahs will go away and so will the hard core islamists, because there is no money to keep them operating.
Saudi Arabia is our enemy, and I see no real effort on their part to address this Islamist terrorist funding issue, just window dressing so far.
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And I'm not sure the comparison is fair to Murat. He's civil, if wrong
Were you here when he rejoiced at the fact it was "raining dead American soldiers" after that helicopter crash killing 17 Americans???
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Alaska Paul #32:
I'm of the opinion that the only long-term solution will be for the US and the Russians to determine to "jointly manage" the Saudi oil fields. Its only a matter of years until the house of Saud falls upon itself, and I'm sure that we have a contingency plan in place so that we can take the oil fields when that happens.
If Europe doesn't like being left out, I don't know what they could do about it.
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[T]he only real solution here is the American one ....
I couldn't agree more lex but you have to remember that the American solution only works when immigrants actually assimilate into their new society. Large scale immigration gives rise to a critical mass that breeds highly insular immigrant communities in which the traditions, customs, and beliefs brought by the immigrants are kept alive.
In the case of Muslims, even if a large majority are moderates and strivers, their reflexive adherence to the role of a minority of hardlines may well prevent their effective assimilation into western societies. Given that you simply can't filter out all of the hardliners, the only real solution is a drastic reduction of Muslim immigration until such a time as those who've already immigrated are sufficiently assimilated. That process could take generations.
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Crusader - explain where (the fuck) the Russians come into play regards SA, lol! You wanna bring Tsar Putty, our great fucking ally, into it?
WHY, pray tell? They can't even manage their own production - as their infrastructure ages and crumbles and production falls - because no one is interested in maintenance or facility upgrade. Piss-poor to non-existant management of Russia's resources - no way should they be involved in managing what is now referred to as Saudi resources.
Get rid of Putty, put someone in his place who actually wants a representative / republican form of democracy, and we'll talk. Putty is not your friend (unless you're part of his coterie and fan club, of course) and he is no one's ally. Putty is taking care of Putty's interests and dragging Russia back into the Bad Old Days. Prove me wrong. Please. Given the recent coup where he gained the "authority" to appoint (rather than allow the Russians to elect) the governing officials in the provinces, you're shit out of luck, methinks. Putty's a dick, yet he sucks, IMHO.
I would absolutely trust no other gov'ts except for our current participating allies in Iraq, people who've put boots on the ground, to assist in managing SA assets should we decide to take them away. Everyone else can piss up a rope.
#37
May I recommend cbsnews.com -- go to video and watch the feed on the Dutch situation under World news. The Islamotwerps REALLY picked the wrong back yard to start a fight in.
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Given the recent coup where he gained the "authority" to appoint (rather than allow the Russians to elect) the governing officials in the provinces...
Since I don't yet see Putin as a tyrant, I'll go ahead and make this one excuse on his behalf: I suspect that this was a desperate attempt to keep the Russian "empire" intact, such that it is, and to prevent any ideas of secession taking hold. Chechnya is really a litmus test. Forgetting for the moment about Chechnya's natural resources, if Chechnya was allowed to secede, the rest of the semi-autonomous republics to the east of Moscow would follow. This of course is not acceptable to Moscow. And hence Putin did what he had to do.
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U.S. officials believe with a high degree of confidence that a missing Southern Californian, Adam Gadahn, is the self-described American al Qaeda who threatened to kill thousands of his countrymen in a videotape obtained and broadcast by ABC News two weeks ago. "No, my fellow countrymen you are guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty," the man identified only as "Azzam the American" said. "After decades of American tyranny and oppression, now it's your turn to die. Allah willing, the streets of America will run red with blood matching drop for drop the blood of America's victims."
A senior U.S. official says officials concluded that Azzam the American was Gadahn after speaking to his family in Southern California, showing the tape to captured al Qaeda operatives, and conducting weeks of technical analysis. Although all indications are of a positive match, officials do caution that there is a small margin of error in the analysis and they cannot be absolutely certain of the speaker's identity. Among other steps, intelligence officials compared the voice of Azzam to footage of a teenage Gadahn discussing environmental projects nearly 10 years ago on a cable television segment in California. Gadahn, who would now be 26, is wanted for questioning by the FBI in connection with possible terrorist threats against the United States.
FBI Director Robert Mueller said in a May press conference that Gadahn was associated with al Qaeda leader Abu Zubaydah in Pakistan, and that he attended terrorist training camps in Afghanistan. "He is known to have performed translations for al Qaeda as part of the services he has provided to al Qaeda," Mueller said.
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Gadahn was born Adam Pearlman, the son of 1960s psychedelic musician Phil Pearlman, and raised in Orange County on a goat farm. He was home-schooled until the age of 15, at which point he moved in with his grandparents in Santa Ana.
Another triumph for the 1968er generation. Would our idiotarians kindly stop talking the talk and start to actually get out of this country?
From The Washington Post A Wyoming college student has been charged with providing material support to a terrorist group after acknowledging to federal agents in Texas that he was trying to send military equipment to a Somali group that the U.S. government has designated as a terrorist organization, officials said yesterday. The student, Mark Robert Walker, 18, also told agents that he was trying to arrange travel to Somalia to fight alongside the al-Ittihad al-Islamiya group, which the U.S. government said is allied with al Qaeda, according to a document filed in federal court in El Paso.
FBI agents began a probe of Walker on Oct. 28, after his roommate at Wyoming Technical College called authorities to say Walker had been using his computer to communicate with terrorists. Walker fled Wyoming to Mexico after his roommate confronted him, according to an affidavit filed by Mark Kaminsky, an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agent. Agents later found that Walker, using the name Abdullah, was the administrator of a "jihadist" Web site, the affidavit said. Agents found that on the Web site and in e-mail communications with a man named Khalid, Walker had expressed admiration for terrorists and said he wanted to leave for Somalia to join in jihad, the affidavit said. Walker also expressed a desire to buy weapons, ammunition, night-vision goggles and bulletproof vests for the Somali fighters, it said.
The FBI placed Walker's name on a watch list, and last Saturday ICE agents detained him after he tried to enter the United States from Mexico at a border crossing near El Paso. He agreed to talk to agents and told them of his activities, after which he was arrested, the ICE affidavit said. Walker had become interested in Islam at a mosque in his home town of Rochester, N.Y., officials said. "He seems like a lost guy who got obsessed with jihad," one official familiar with the case said. ....
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"Walker had become interested in Islam at a mosque in his home town of Rochester, N.Y . . ."
New York . . . So he was an east-coaster. Well that makes a lot more sense. Couldn't imagine a native son of Wyoming being such an idiot. Another example of Islamic proselytizing for the jihad at work in the good ol' USA!
Radio station KNS and several other local outlets have reported that the perp had an anti-Bush sign and was unhappy over the election result.
By: LAURA WIDES - Associated Press
A man demanding media attention took a female employee hostage at the Mexican consulate Tuesday before he was wounded by police outside the building. The hostage was rescued unharmed. The hostage-taker, apparently shot in the head by police, was in critical condition, police Chief William Bratton said. "The information that we have is that his demands were to the effect 'Call 911. I want the media here,"' Bratton said. "Whatever his interests were in his having the media respond to the consulate, we just don't know at this time." Bullshit, the LA media know.
A television videotape showed the black-clad man, his arm around the woman's neck, leave a parking lot exit and down a sidewalk as police closed in. The man suddenly collapsed backward to the ground and officers pulled the woman away as others pointed their guns at him. The man appeared to have been armed with a handgun, police Assistant Chief George Gascon said. The man who took the hostage had a large homemade sign attached to his body. It was not clear from the videotape what the sign said. Gascon said information about the sign would not be immediately released. Just as they failed to report dozens of violent attacks on Republican offices before the election, and several since, the National Socialist media have pointedly ignored this connection to LLL incitement and totalitarianism.
Police cordoned off several blocks around the building near downtown Los Angeles, and ambulances and fire trucks gathered nearby. No element of terrorism was believed to be involved in the incident, Bratton said. because MSM/PC rhetoric automatically excludes "progressive" acts from that designation. Look for the same "lone-nut" excuse that was used to camouflage Ted Kaczynski's solid LLL credentials.
The man was the only person involved in the hostage-taking, Mayor James Hahn said. How is the mayor so sure of this before an investigation has even begun? That kind of speculation by an elected official is unconcionable and quite rare unless there is an element of desperation involved.
The hostage worked as a clerk in the notary department. She was abducted from the consulate's fourth floor, where some visas are processed. She apparently did not know the hostage-taker, Bratton said. Maria Rosales Alvarado, 40, said she had given a friend a ride to the consulate and was outside buying tamales when she saw the man holding the woman by the neck. "I just dropped the tamales, and we got out of there," she said. Sounds like the MSM are dropping the tamales on this, but is anyone surprised? Let up hope that the Mexican opposition papers have the cojones to pick this up and tell the whole story (it is a foregone conclusion that the Bush-hating pro-government media in Mexico will follow the lead of their LLL masters across the border).
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Damn,what a waste of tamales.For those who do not know,a tamale is a corn meal dough stuffed with cheese,green chiles,meat or any combination.Then wraped in a corn husk and steamed.Very good,it is a traditional Mexican food usally served on holidays along with Manudo(and aquired taste).
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Someone on LGF mentioned this in a one-sentence, off-topic comment the other day, and I couldn't find anything about it on CNN, and no one posted about it again. I thought maybe she was referring to something else, rather than breaking news. Kinda funny we didn't hear about this, innit?
An Italian aid worker walked free from the jungles of the southern Philippines on Wednesday, a day after he was abducted by local gunmen, officials said. Andrea Cianferoni called the kidnapping a "bad experience" but said he would still come back to the region, where he runs the local office of Movimondo, an Italian non-governmental organization. Local officials and Muslim religious leaders in southern Mindanao island convinced the bandits to free Cianferoni about 20 hours after he and two Filipino co-workers were abducted near the town of Kauswagan, officials said. The bearded, 29-year-old aid worker appeared haggard after his ordeal and was later flown to Manila, where he was met by relieved Italian embassy officials. "It was a bad experience. Fortunately, it was a very short experience. We have to thank a lot of people," he told reporters, adding that he was still willing to return to Mindanao.
Masked armed men blocked a vehicle driven by Cianferoni on afternoon and forced the three captives to walk several kilometers before the Filipinos were freed to relay the kidnappers' ransom demand for the Italian. The kidnappers, described as Kauswagan-based bandits, demanded 240,000 pesos (4,263 dollars) in ransom, according to the military. The two Filipinos were freed after paying about 60,000 pesos (1,066 dollars). The government did not say if any money was paid for the Italian's freedom, and it was unclear if the kidnappers were arrested.
In Rome, Movimondo officials said Tuesday the kidnappers had demanded an unspecified amount they described as "a mere pittance" for Cianferoni's freedom. His release was negotiated by a local officials as well as religious leaders in Lanao region of Mindanao. Colonel Ben Dolorfino, commander of a Marine brigade in the area, said the separatist Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF), which is negotiating peace with Manila, helped in the rescue operation. MILF spokesman Eid Kabalu said the group issued a "shoot-to-kill order" against the kidnappers if they insisted on keeping the hostages. Cianferoni has been working with poor Muslim communities in the southern Philippines for two years. Movimondo head Vincenzo Pira said Tuesday the outfit would remain in the region despite the kidnapping.
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The hunt for the masterminds of the Australian embassy bombing in Jakarta appears to have stalled after Indonesian police released several suspects because of lack of evidence. Police yesterday released four people they had arrested in the coastal fishing port of Pelabuhan Ratu and the nearby mountain city of Sukabumi following the September 9 suicide bombing, which killed 10 people as well as the bomber. Police spokesman Inspector General Paiman said there was not enough evidence to prove the men were involved in the embassy blast or the suicide attack on the JW Marriott Hotel in Jakarta last year, despite at least two of them having trained as militants. "Both of them were proven to have participated in military-style training at Gunung Peti, near Pelabuhan Ratu," Paiman said. "They were trained by Rois."
Rois, known also as Iwan Darmawan, is currently on the run from police and is suspected of being the field coordinator of the embassy attack and righthand man for Malaysian bombing mastermind Azahari Husin. Azahari, Rois and top Jemaah Islamiah terror recruiter Noordin Top are being hunted by teams of crack US-trained anti-terror police, but have so far avoided arrest despite several near misses by authorities. Paiman said the men freed yesterday had undergone training in May and June this year as Azahari was seeking to build up another fresh militant network in Indonesia following the wave of arrests after the 2002 Bali bombings "To nearby villagers they said that the training was meant to expel thugs who frequently disturb the peace and extort money" from local gold fossickers, he said.
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November 10, 2004: The Lebanese based terrorist group Hizbollah took credit for a small UAV that came down Israelis Mediterranean coast on November 7th, flew over an Israeli town for 15 minutes and then flew back into Lebanon. Hizbollah called their UAV "Mirsad 1", but it was probably an Iranian Ababil. The Iranians have been developing UAVs for nearly a decade. Their Ababil is a 183 pound UAV with a ten foot wing span, a payload of about 80 pounds, a cruising speed of 290 kilometers an hour and an endurance of 90 minutes. The Ababil is known to operate as far as 120 kilometers from its ground controller. but it also has a guidance system that allows it to fly a pre-programmed route and then return to the control by its ground controllers for a landing (which is by parachute). The Ababil can carry a variety of day and night still and video cameras. There are many inexpensive and very capable cameras available on the open market, as is the equipment needed to transmit video and pictures back to the ground.
The Israeli air defense organization was embarrassed by this UAV flight. In 1987, a Hizbollah commando flew undetected into northern Israel using an ultralight vehicle (somewhat larger than the Ababil), landed, and caused some damage before he was killed. This led to the air defense system in northern Israel being upgraded to prevent that sort of thing happening again. Since then, the Israelis have detected other ultralights and small aircraft trying to enter Israel, and have stopped them. But during the November 7th flight, the UAV moved at an altitude of under 300 feet, and was the smallest aircraft the Israelis have had to deal with so far. Nevertheless, the Israeli air defenses were apparently supposed to be capable of spotting something like an Ababil UAV.
What the Israelis fear most is low flying Ababils coming south carrying a load of nerve gas, or even just explosives. Using GPS guidance, such a UAV could hit targets very accurately. Moreover, there's nothing exotic about UAV technology, at least for something like the Ababil. It was no surprise that Iran began using home made UAVs in the late 1990s. After all, they had received some UAVs from the United States in the 1970s (Firebee target drones.) The Israelis immediately tagged Iran as the supplier of the Hizbollah drone, because Iran has long supplied that terrorist organization with cash, weapons and equipment for decades.
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Call me crazy, but given Iran's nuclear aspirations and vows to attack Israel, I don't think the Israelis are going to take too kindly to this. I'm debating whether I should get the popcorn ready . . .
Posted by: The Doctor ||
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How long before the bunker busters fly? I'm betting before March 2005.
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The sooner the better. Election's over. What's the delay?
Posted by: Mrs. Davis ||
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Interestingly enough, the IAF has vehicles which can fly higher, farther, faster, longer, with a LOT heavier payload, and return safely. I like the Jooooos' chances in this comparison, LOL
Posted by: Frank G ||
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It doesn't mater what Israeli aircraft can do if the Iranians have the targeting data they need for ballistic missiles.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis ||
11/10/2004 10:56 Comments ||
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think Iran's got that accuracy? Think they would need it? I don't. I'm also not sure those missiles would ever make it. Think defense
Posted by: Frank G ||
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Think what happens if one does. No defence is impenetrable.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis ||
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First off, the U.S. Army sold the Israeli some seriously "gucci" hardware for missile defense.
Secondly, the Israelis will never... repeat never allow the Iranians get even close to realizing thier nuclear aspirations.
The US have recent advance the developement of a 30k convention bomb that explodes a hundred feet below the ground. You can read about it on open source media.
Wow. Wonder what that is for.
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I predict it'll be soon after the Iraqi elections. But we'll do it ourselves.
Iran made horrible faces and threatened yesterday to strike back at Israel or any other country that attacked its nuclear facilities."If Israel or any other country attacks any site in Iran, we know no limits to threaten their interests," Deputy Revolutionary Guards Commander Mohammad-Baqer Zolqadr said. "That means anywhere in the world, within their borders or outside it," he said on the sidelines of an anti-US conference in Tehran.
"We'll rob their banks! We'll steal their stuff! We'll murderlize 'em!"
Israeli warplanes successfully destroyed the Osirak nuclear reactor in Iraq in 1981. Iran has stationed anti-aircraft batteries around its nuclear plants and built many of its facilities underground. Iranian officials have also warned they can strike back at Israel with its medium-range Shahab-3 missile, which can also hit US military bases in the Gulf. Zolqadr denied Iran was developing nuclear weapons, saying the Islamic state preferred to rely on a volunteer militia force, which he said numbered 10 million, to defend the country.
Yeah, Sammy had one, too...
Earlier the commander addressed high-school students at a conference entitled "The World Without America".
Ow! Rolling my eyes like that really hurts!
"The world without America is a world without oppression, without terror, without invasion, without massacre," he said in a speech that catalogued US "crimes" ranging from the massacre of native Americans to the atom bomb on Hiroshima. A video clip played for the audience showed gruesome pictures of injured children lying in hospital beds in Iraq, which US-led forces invaded last year. Zolqadr said an Iraq-style invasion of Iran was out of the question thanks to Iran's growing military might.
Zolqadr, you keep working on it and I'll bet you can have the Fourth Largest Army in the World. You guys and Sammy fought it out to a draw and it only took you eight years. We took Sammy's army apart in a week. No doubt you're much stronger now, so maybe it'd take us two weeks.
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Just save the expense and glass Qom and any other moose-limb center thats talking shiite.
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Indeed Az, sometimes all those naughty metals just spontaneously combust. It happens, I swear ... other times they just crystalilze into black cubes, for example, like the one in Mecca (or wherever the black rock lives) ... which seems destined to combustion soon too. Spontaneous, of course.
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"The world without America is a world without oppression, without terror, without invasion, without massacre
The world without America is a world where we can practice Islam(TM)undisturbed, beat and torture our wives, kill all kufr anytime we want, and when we finish killing all the kufr we will kill all Sunnies and Kurds because they are unbelievers also...........
Zolqadr said an Iraq-style invasion of Iran was out of the question thanks to Iran's growing military might.
That's true Zolqadr, the Americans wont have to invade, because you and your ilk are going to be toppled from within by your own dissilusioned iranian masses. The americans are only going to have to provide the first nudge and
than support the true iranians in the rebelion.
Posted by: Elder of Zion ||
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As a second thought,
let me sell Zolqadr one of the Pesahawar
Vulgar Eid Cards (TM) ;)
Posted by: Elder of Zion ||
11/10/2004 1:41 Comments ||
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OS, could you please email me - I have a question relating to the intelligence community.
Posted by: Brian Cronin ||
11/10/2004 4:10 Comments ||
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I've always said that we should simultaneously strike the nuke facilities, military bases, and mullahs. That should leave them pretty well declawed and ripe for revolution.
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No doubt you're much stronger now, so maybe it'd take us two weeks.
Maybe. But when we took Sammy down, we were trying not to break stuff.
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looks like the war in 67 and yom kippur war that the middle eats would recognize that israel woyuld just kick the shit out of every one of them together. Hmmmmm sounds like a good idae maybe america should let em do just that and end all thios bullshit
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The US should get some old mothballed F-14As (or whatever type the Iranians still use) and rig them to fly remote controlled. Paint them in Iranian markings, pack them with ordinence, and crash them into selected sites.
Hey, don't know what you're talking about, the footage our Awaks has shows it was one of your planes that hit your nuclear site. And this audio we picked up sounds Iranian to us.
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AP and Fox report the official netting of the fish from the aquarium - flushing soon in Ramallah. Suha's check musta cleared
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11/10/2004 23:08 Comments ||
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Ululating scared the crap from my cat LOL~
Posted by: Frank G ||
11/10/2004 23:09 Comments ||
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Officially in the box...
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Yeah, Frank.... But is he REALLY-REALLY-REALLY Dead? Doorknob, sailcat Dead? RSVP. My Ululator is out of its cosmolene and cleaned up. Can I let 'er rip???????
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CBS -- breaks in on the ending of CSI - NY to tell us Arafat is dead! Like.... I care? The last minute of a "who done it" and they delete the ending?
Makes the announcement and goes back, to CSI credits... no ending....
Sheezzzzz CBS, the gateway of the news as we need to know it.
They could at least have just interrupted and continue the program....
One more strike against CBS News.... Keep tellin' myself, separate CBS News from CBS programming..... Hummm.... it's getting harder..
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CF. I heard one already on public radio this afternoon. World View with Jerome McDonnell. He interrupted his "all Abu Graib, all the time" programming streak to have an arafat apologist tell us how wrong we arte about him.
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From the Commie News Network (CNN) "Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat has died at a French military hospital in Paris at age 75, chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erakat said early Thursday. Arafat had been sick with an unknown illness that had been variously described as the flu, a stomach virus or gallstones. He flew to Paris last week seeking medical treatment and was hospitalized with what Palestinian officials said was a blood disorder."
The guy died of AIDS, the pig was a complete flammer and we will all know it soon enough
EFL.Why don't they just let this pus bag on the ass of humanity get on with his non stop trip to hell and get it over with...
Yasser Arafat has suffered brain damage and kidney and liver failure, the Palestinian prime minister said Wednesday, but a top Muslim cleric ruled out any possibility of life support being turned off. Oh, good. Now the "clerics" have shown up looking for their cut.
French Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin said late Wednesday that the Palestinian leader was in his "final hours," telling France-2 television: "I hope that we can respect the final hours of a man who is approaching death." Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...Nah.
Palestinian Foreign Minister Nabil Shaath said Arafat, who was in a deep coma connected to a respirator and a feeding tube, had suffered brain damage because of a hemorrhage. Only his heart and lungs were still functioning, Shaath said. A top Islamic cleric, Taisser Bayoud Tamimi, read Wednesday from the Quran at Arafat's bedside and said no attempt would be made to remove him from life support. "As long as there are signs of life in the body of the president, he will remain under treatment," said Tamimi. "It is prohibited in Islam." "It is prohibited in Islam." All right, "holy man". How much do you want to make it okay by "Islam" to shut him down? We've worked our way around "Islam" many times in the past, haven't we? Continued on Page 49
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So it is OK with Islam to hook the Arafish up to a bunch of tubes and respirators? Where is that written in the Koran? Or does some Imam clown issue a fatwa permitting the proceedure until financial negotiations are completed by all parties?
The thing that gets me is that the French play right into this. I am sure that the Islamists look at the French as useful idiots, but the French cannot see this basic principle.
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Why are they still calling it "life support" instead of what it really is (death support)?
Posted by: Phil Fraering ||
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I say we take off and nuke the place from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Posted by: Michael ||
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"only his heart and lungs were still functioning". Sounds like he's legally dead.
I'd say he's probably already stinking up the hospital room, but this is France we're talking about.
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Ya know folks, the Ululators are still sitting there waiting for their masters to operate them. Kinda of a letdown, waiting so long. Fat Ladies and Accordion Ladies have come and gone. Well, at least the Paleos have given up trying to bury the 'Fish in Jerusalem.
I read an article in Jewish World Review today that the gist was that after the Arafish dies, and the other goons get sorted out, nothing will change in âPalestineâ during the transition from kaffiyehs and holsters to suits and ties. Here is the link. Kinda depressing.
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I heard the Suha has settled on a $22Million yearly allowance from Fatah. Now thatâs done I bet she will pulls the plug herself. FYI She aint a Muslim, so those rules donât apply.
In the front yard of a half-built house in Falluja, a dozen fighters sat in a semicircle. With Kalashnikovs in their laps and copies of the Qur'an in their hands, they stared at us suspiciously. The silence was punctuated by the sound of mortar shelling. With each explosion, the fighters would cry, "Holy shit! Allahu Akbar". Eventually, the mujahideen started talking: "Who are you?" "What do you do?" "Why the big cameras?"
But mostly they were interested only in converting us to Islam. They were still describing the pains I would go through in hell when another fighter, a short thin teenager, appeared. He was still dressed in his white pyjamas and rubbed his eyes as he listened to the conversation. "What are you doing?" he asked one of the fighters.
"We are preaching to them about Islam," said the fighter.
"Why? They are not Muslims?"
"No."
The young man looked with puzzlement at the other fighter and said: "But then, why don't we kill them?"
"We can't do that now. They are in a state of truce with us," the fighter said.
The fighters belonged to Tawhid and Jihad, the group that has claimed responsibility for most of the violence sweeping Iraq. Eradicating these men is one of the prime objectives of the US offensive on Falluja. At first sight, they all looked and behaved the same; young men in trainers and tracksuits preaching Islam. As time passed, they became more relaxed and open about who they were and why they were there. It became apparent that they were an odd bunch of people from different places and with different dreams.
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'... then turned to me: "Do you know how to make these things work?"'
I wonder if the "reporter" showed him?
I hope this "news" crew got stuck with their jihadi friends when things started.
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This article could've been captioned "Interview with cannon fodder".Muslims hate to be humiliated.
they have a great deal to be humble about.
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The author, Ghaith Abdul-Ahad, is Salam Pax's friend and the Christian of the group.
http://jarrarsupariver.blogspot.com/2004/06/story-of-three-iraqi-friends.html
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I didn't really get a vibe that he was making excuses for the terrorists... sounds like he was just telling his story. But to be honest it sounds like at least part of it was made up...
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Salam Pax and his buddies are guerrilla sympathizers. This is why this item is being syndicated by al-Guardian. The New York Times at least tries to maintain the appearance of objectivity - al-Guardian is - well - al-Guardian.
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I'm guessing that these guys are going to be finding out about the virgins real soon. I hope we get the old goat who has been setting the IED's. Of course we will have to get them all, since they are clearly Muslim nuts bent on killing us whenever possible.
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#9 I'm guessing that these guys are going to be finding out about the virgins real soon. I hope we get the old goat who has been setting the IED's. Of course we will have to get them all, since they are clearly Muslim nuts bent on killing us whenever possible.
Posted by: Omitle Gleart4797 2004-11-10 4:40:14 PM
Maybe these guys had their picture taken yesterday? One can hope.
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Article: Most of the time, when they werenât reading or praying, they spoke about death, not fearfully, but in happy anticipation. They talked about how martyrs would not feel pain and about how many virgins they would get in heaven.
Heaven as a divine whorehouse. Ya gotta love it...
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ZF sez, Heaven as a divine whorehouse. Ya gotta love it...
Sure as hell it isn't the sailor's heaven Fiddler's Green. Even the sailors had some sense of proportion and moderation. The thing is, these people are broken and cannot be fixed. A whole generation or two that has been fed this jiihadi bucket of sh*t. Boggles the mind.
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But, he said: "We are besieged here now. It is a great emotional victory, but bad strategy. It is very easy now for the Americans to come and kill us all."
Well a kid who played with my youngest in Middle School just got killed in Falluja by these sick bastards. I won't be nice for awhile...
Why can't we just admit no good guys are left there and level the place with a dozen or so daisy cutters. Then, we should follow it up with a fresh meteor for the approaching haji. Right at the stone the devil time.
U.S. forces cornered insurgents Wednesday in a narrow strip of Fallujah after a stunningly swift advance that seized control of 70 percent of the militant stronghold. An Iraqi general said troops found "hostage slaughterhouses" where foreign captives had been killed. The abandoned houses had hostages' documents, CDs showing captives being killed, and black clothing worn by militants in videos, Maj. Gen. Abdul Qader Mohammed Jassem Mohan said. But it appeared none of the at least nine foreigners still in kidnappers' hands — including two Americans — were found. Mohan said he did not know which hostages' documents were uncovered.
The speed of the U.S. drive in Fallujah may indicate that most Sunni fighters and their leaders abandoned the city before the offensive and moved elsewhere to carry on the fight, officers said. The most notorious kidnapper, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, is believed to have fled the city. Many of the remaining fighters have asked to surrender, government spokesman Thair al-Naqeeb told reporters. He said Iraqi authorities "will extend amnesty" to those who have not committed major crimes.
Armed men kidnapped three relatives of Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi — his cousin, the cousin's wife and their daughter-in-law — from their Baghdad home Tuesday night, al-Naqeeb said. A militant group calling itself Ansar al-Jihad claimed in a Web posting to be holding them threatened to behead them in 48 hours unless the Fallujah siege is lifted. The claim's authenticity could not be verifies. The abduction appeared to be part of a campaign of violence by insurgents this week aimed at opening a "second front" to divert U.S. and Iraqi forces from the Fallujah offensive.
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A car bomb targeting police exploded Wednesday in eastern Baghdad, killing at least 10 people, police said. Police officer Qahtan Jumaygh said the 8 p.m. (1700GMT) blast in the eastern Zayouna neighborhood was aimed at police patrol cars but did not injure any policemen. The explosion also injured 15 other people and damaged a dozen cars in the area. Eyewitness Mohammed Adullah said the car bomb exploded when the neighborhood's Al-Rubaei Street was most crowded, within a 20 meters' distance of a police checkpoint. Abdullah, who owns an Internet cafe on the street, said he saw "at least 10 civilians killed, including a woman, and five wounded" but that none of the police were hurt. "I just heard a big boom and felt that the ceiling was falling down," said Abdullah.
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IslamOnline.net & News Agencies - US troops are reportedly using chemical weapons and poisonous gas in its large-scale offensive on the Iraqi resistance bastion of Fallujah, a grim reminder of Saddam Hussein's alleged gassing of the Kurds in 1988. "The US occupation troops are gassing resistance fighters and confronting them with internationally-banned chemical weapons," resistance sources told Al-Quds Press Wednesday, November 10.
The fatal weapons led to the deaths of tens of innocent civilians, whose bodies litter sidewalks and streets, they added. "They use chemical weapons out of despair and helplessness in the face of the steadfast and fierce resistance put up by Fallujah people, who drove US troops out of several districts, hoisting proudly Iraqi flags on them. Resistance has also managed to destroy and set fire to a large number of US tanks and vehicles. The US troops have sprayed chemical and nerve gases on resistance fighters, turning them hysteric in a heartbreaking scene," an Iraqi doctor, who requested anonymity, told Al-Quds Press. "Some Fallujah residents have been further burnt beyond treatment by poisonous gases," added resistance fighters, who took part in Golan battles, northwest of Fallujah.
In August last year, the United States admitted dropping the internationally-banned incendiary weapon of napalm on Iraq, despite earlier denials by the Pentagon that the "horrible" weapon had not been used in the three-week invasion of Iraq. After the offensive on Iraq ended on April 9 last year, Iraqis began to complain about unexploded cluster bombs that still litter their cities. The sources said that the media blackout, the banning of Al-Jazeera satellite channel and subjective embedded journalists played well into the hands of the US military. "Therefore, US troops opted for using internationally banned weapons to soften the praiseworthy resistance of Fallujah people. More and more, the US military edits and censors reports sent by embedded journalists to their respective newspapers and news agencies."
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Ah yes -- it must be the poison gas that has the boys in Fallujah hysterical.
heh.
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âThe US troops have sprayed chemical and nerve gases on resistance fighters, turning them hysteric in a heartbreaking scene,â an Iraqi doctor, who requested anonymity, told Al-Quds Press.
Sounds to me like a typical Arab explanation for their resistance fighters wetting themselves when they find themselves fighting soldiers who shoot back. If we used chemical weapons, the dead would not number in the tens, but in the tens of thousands. That's why they are called weapons of mass destruction.
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Thinking about it, there was some concern on the part of the US that the jihadis might be setting chemical weapon traps for the Marines. Could be the jihadis tried and were caught in the chemical clouds resulting from the destruction of their traps by heavy weapons fire. Or, perhaps, the technically challeged warriors of Allah found that they should have studied chemistry instead of the Koran and accidentally gassed themselves. A fitting end for the pond scum on the gene pool.
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Thinking about it, there was some concern on the part of the US that the jihadis might be setting chemical weapon traps for the Marines.
Or they accidentally had a number of them in their stockpiles -- remember the roadside IEDs that turned out to be sarin? -- and either had a work accident or our attacks hit one of the stockpiles.
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Chuck is right, symptoms include: runny nose, runny eyes, muscle cramps, vomiting, muscle spasms, headache, difficulting breathing. This can also be induced by pure terror as the "fighters" go out to meet the Americans and only one or two make it back after watching their buddies get mowed down.
Hysterical or dead... a fitting end to the "resistance"
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I only wish they would use a WMD on these yahoos. Why do people get squeamish when they talk about chemical or nuke weapons. A bullet makes you just as dead, nukes and chems just do it more efficiently. Trust me, after you nuke a couple of strongholds, recruitment will fall off drastically.
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http://www.billroggio.com/
This is what the little towel heads are talking about:
From the Washington Post
"Some artillery guns fired white phosphorous rounds that create a screen of fire that cannot be extinguished with water"
Marine Birthday Candles ;-)
"Ooooh hot! oooh ooooh hot!! ouch oooh oooooh Mohammed pee on me will ya!!! I am on fire!!"
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Trust me, after you nuke a couple of strongholds, recruitment will fall off drastically.
Recruitment would probably actually go up, the cannon fodder arm of this movement isn't particularly bright. Popular support for the Islamofascists would, however, quickly fall to near zero and it's unlikely they'd ever find another base of operations in a populated area.
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Iâm reminded of a discussion I had with a coworker one day. I opined that the reason certain neighborhoods had a drug problem was because they tolerated. If a young man/woman was selling drugs on my street corner they would need hospitalization. If people in other neighborhoods had the same attitude, they would not have a drug problem. When the Arabs stop tolerating Islamo-terrorists then it will go away. If I knew that the presence of somebody endagered my family (ie bombing), I would pursuade them to leave.
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AH! If they are loosing control over their bowels ... maybe it is that sonic weapon we were going to test that doesn't hurt you just causes instant runs!
The burning sensation without real burns could be the microwave area denial weapon. Again a non-fatal crowd control weapon.
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The last stand of the jihadees in Fallujah, some of the very same savages which burned Americans in the street & hung them on the closet bridge would gas & nuke every American ........if allowed. People should recall that fact.
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âSome Fallujah residents have been further burnt beyond treatment by poisonous gases,â added resistance fighters, who took part in Golan battles, northwest of Fallujah."
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Get the imbedded reporters video cams up, then find a building full of jihadis. Lob a bunch of cannisters of nitrous oxide (laughing gas) and record the fun. When they are done, get them outside and mow them down. Send it to an american extreme video show for s&g.
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Folks, this is far more serious than you might think.
This is a setup. And its not a light hearted thing. The US Govt has to come down hard on this to prevent a lot of possible damage.
When the Jihadis use the Chem Weapons they have stashed in Syria (they were testing them in Darfur - so its not much of a leap at all to see them in Fallujah), they have just now set up the US to take the blame - very clearly that is what this is an attempt to do.
The US has to jump on this BS PR hard, with everything we have.
If they will not publish the truth they must suffer the consequences, as follows:
1) These reporters have become soldiers for the other side, they are therefore exempt from ROE and are very killable, or if taken prisoner they are to be interrogated, their equipment siezed, and they they shoudl be deported, preferrabely at 10,000 ft above their point of origin.
2) Their News HQ becomes a target. Broadcasting inside Iraq, they get a 500lb bomb on the antenna, a 500lb bomb on studios, and 1000 lb bomb on thier production and management HQ. If its print, then their presses get blasted with a 2000 pounds of TLAM guided "error correction".
This stuff has to be stopped, Hard, fast and as an example for other propagandists knowling spreading lies that are setting up greater war crimes by the terrorists.
Hopefully, we have good intel and they are not planning to use chems or the syrians have put the leash on these bandits - if not, then this telegraphed their intentions.
Isn't this just enemy propaganda? How can the USG come down hard on anyone? I agree we should respond swiftly. But are you suggesting we bomb the Islam online office? If it's in Tehran? These reporters are certainly not embeds, so what can we do to them?
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We do something - we cannot sit on our hands. Not in this case.
But this stuff has to be squelcehd or at least a lesson taught in consequences of actions. Especially if it is a setup to mask and defelect blame for chemical attacks that will cause horrenodus casualties amongst civilians, and will severealy damage our efforts to establish a free and just society in Iraq.
If its in Tehran or other places where we do not want to plant that much HE, there are ways of achieveing the same consequences, albeit on a more personal level.
A silenced .22 behind the ear of the editor and responsible reporter will work wonders.
So will simple paint cans of gasoline and some additives and a proper ignition source, placed strategically at certain businesses and homes in Iran.
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Those sitting are exporting those saluting in familiar fashion (Nazi) into Iraq. The White House is working out the removal details.
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I agree Old Spook. We need to clamp down on this very hard and very fast. Otherwise our own treasonous MSM will jump all over it (evidence or no) just to attack America and further the terrorist's goals.
These rubes have been lied to so many times by their own captive press, that I truly wonder if there is any value, other than setup, for statements like the post on Islam today. Thats why I slammed down hard and fast. Propaganda statements liek this have no place other than to set the stage, unless their own people actually believe this garbage.
If it is the latter, then next thing you know, they'll trot out old Baghdad Bob and start claiming "There are no US troops in Fallujah".
Toby Harnden (of the Telegraph) in Fallujah observes American soldiers of the 1st Infantry Division taskforce avenging their fallen comrades as battle begins.
After seven months in Iraq's Sunni triangle, for many American soldiers the opportunity to avenge dead friends by taking a life was a moment of sheer exhilaration. As they approached their "holding position", from where hours later they would advance into the city, they picked off insurgents on the rooftops and in windows. "I got myself a real juicy target," shouted Sgt James Anyett, peering through the thermal sight of a Long Range Acquisition System (LRAS) mounted on one of Phantom's Humvees. "Prepare to copy that 89089226. Direction 202 degrees. Range 950 metres. I got five motherf****** in a building with weapons."
Capt Kirk Mayfield, commander of the Phantoms, called for fire from his task force's mortar team. But Sgt Anyett didn't want to wait. "Dude, give me the sniper rifle. I can take them out - I'm from Alabama." Two minutes tick by. "They're moving deep," shouted Sgt Anyett with disappointment. A dozen loud booms rattle the sky and smoke rose as mortars rained down on the co-ordinates the sergeant had given. "Yeah," he yelled. "Battle Damage Assessment - nothing. Building's gone. I got my kills, I'm coming down. I just love my job."
Phantom Troop had rolled out of Camp Fallujah, the main US military base, shortly before 4am. All morning they took fire from the Al-Askari district in Fallujah's north-east, their target for the invasion proper. The insurgents, not understanding the capabilities of the LRAS, crept along rooftops and poked their heads out of windows. Even when they were more than a mile away, the soldiers of Phantom Troop had their eyes on them. Lt Jack Farley, a US Marines officer, sauntered over to compare notes with the Phantoms. "You guys get to do all the fun stuff," he said. "It's like a video game. We've taken small arms fire here all day. It just sounds like popcorn going off." Another marine stepped forward and began to fire an M4 rifle at the city. "He's a reservist for the San Diego police. He wants a piece of the action, too".
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After nearly 16 hours of fighting, the United States marines thought they had finally won their battle for the green-domed mosque, which insurgents had been using as a command center. Then a car drove up behind a group of the marines on Al Thurthar Street. Seven men bristling with Kalashnikovs, rocket-propelled grenades and black ammunition belts spilled onto the street, ready to fight at point-blank range. The marines turned and fired, and killed four of them immediately, blowing one man's head entirely away before he fell on his back onto the pavement, his arms spread wide.
Three more fled. Cpl. Jason Huyghe cornered two of them in a courtyard. One of them, he suddenly realized, was wearing a belt packed with explosives. "I saw the guy roll over and pull something on his jacket," Corporal Huyghe said, "and he exploded." The seventh man limped into the dark streets of the city and escaped.
"Curly-toed Nikes, don't fail me now!"
The battle for Falluja does not fall into any neat category, and even the messy label of urban warfare does not capture the intensity and unpredictability of this battlefield. In some places, the insurgents appear to fire and fall back, perhaps trying to tease the marines into ambushes or dissolve into the grimy fabric of the city to fight another day. But elsewhere, they hold their ground until the buildings around them are obliterated, or open fire abruptly from exposed positions and are literally cut to pieces. Nothing here makes sense, but the Americans' superior training and firepower eventually seem to prevail.
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the Americans' superior training and firepower eventually seem to prevail.
But we in the media can really be sure in spite of having witnesed it. Good, Dexter. We know who you're rooting for. Next job at A-Jizz?
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U.S. Marines said American forces had taken control Wednesday of 70 percent of Fallujah in the third day of a major offensive to retake the insurgent stronghold. Major Francis Piccoli, of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, said enemy fighters were bottled up in a strip of the city flanking the major east-west highway that splits Fallujah. Army and Marine units had pushed south to the highway overnight.
Here's a map showing the start lines and the highway (in green).
No escape north, south or east. To the west is the river. In the middle are a lot of soon-to-be-dead jihadis.
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IRAQ troops have found 'hostage slaughter houses' in Fallujah including CDs and records of people taken captive in the way of kidnappings and beheadings, an Iraqi military official said today. Major General Abdul Qader Mohammed Jassem Mohan, commander of Iraqi forces in the battle, said the houses were in the northern part of Fallujah, where US officials had expected to meet their toughest resistance. "We have found hostage slaughter houses in Fallujah that were used by these people (kidnappers) and the black clothing that they used to wear to identify themselves, hundreds of CDs and whole records with names of hostages," the general told reporters at a military camp near Fallujah. He was unsure if the hostage records included the names of missing British aide worker Margaret Hassan or missing French journalists Christian Chesnot and Georges Malbrunot.
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Ladies and gentlemen...
MICHAEL MOORE'S MINUTEMEN!!!
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Now, if we can only give Michael Moore to them....
FORWARD OPERATING BASE KALSU, Iraq -- Every year, regardless of location, Marines come together on Nov. 10, to celebrate the Marine Corps' birthday. This year, the Marines of the 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit find themselves deployed and engaged in a fight to preserve the freedom won last year for the people of Iraq. During a ceremony at Forward Operating Base Kalsu in northern Babil province, Marines, sailors, soldiers and our British brothers-in-arms gathered to celebrate the Marine Corps' 229th Birthday. The event included the traditional cake-cutting ceremony, the reading of Gen. John A. Lejeune's birthday message and the playing of bagpipes by Colour Sgt. Scott Taylor of the Scotland-based Black Watch Regiment.
Lot's of pictures at the link. Happy birthday, Marines! Good luck and good hunting!
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YOU DEEPLY COMATOSE PIG! LOOK WHAT YOU'RE MAKING ME GO THROUGH!!! Suha Arafat has rejected a $2 million financial settlement from Palestinian figures acting on behalf of the Palestinian Authority, according to French sources, who are becoming increasingly impatient with the wife of the deeply comatose Palestinian leader, Yasser Arafat. HE'LL BE DEAD WHEN I SAY HE'S DEAD!!! AND NOT A HUNDRED MILLION SOONER!!! I'M MRS. ARAFAT, DAMMIT!!!
The settlement was aimed at persuading Suha Arafat to allow completion of the tests that would finally determine the chairman's death. Contacts between Suha Arafat and the Palestinian financiers began as soon as it became clear that Arafat would have to be flown to France for emergency medical treatment. TWO MILLION WON'T COVER MY TWINKIE MONEY!!! COUGH IT UP!!! I'M MRS. ARAFAT!!! WHERE'S THE RESPECT!!!
The French have been exasperated by Suha Arafat's refusal, permissible under French law, to allow others access to he husband's room in the Percy Military Hospital near Paris. I'M HIS "LOVING" WIFE, YOU CHEAP PRICKS!!! I AND ONLY I WILL DECIDE WHEN TO STEP ON HIS OXYGEN HOSE!!! Continued on Page 49
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This is why a good estate planner is more important than a cute new goat...
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Pierre Rizk, who headed the intelligence service of the Phalanga during the Lebanese civil war and was in close personal contact with the guerrilla group responsible for the massacre at the Sabra and Shatilla refugee camp in 1982.
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Something tells me that if this is settled with his "loyal & lovely" wife that she will meet with an ufortunate accident. Her, the daughter and the lawyer. The only one I will feel sorry for is the daughter.
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Maybe she should be known as Suha "Tidwell" Arafart.
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$2 million could go a long way to properly house, feed, educate or provide adequate medical care for the actual people that the PA is supposed to be supporting. Of course, that kind of thinking might actually provide for a more contented populace, and that would make for a shortage of drooling bloodthirsty, suicide bombers.
Instead, they will publicly try to bribe a woman is obviously already a millionaire, and who already is living off the millions that she and her husband "redirected" from their loyal, unwitting dupe subjects. If she wanted, I'll bet she could counter-offer them $10 million -cash- to get off her back.
Sick, evil, twisted, pathetic people, the whole lot of 'em.
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Good in the sack? Anybody ever seen a photo of Yasser? I suppose if you get off on slobbery-lipped, chapparal skinned, hatchet-faced old terrorists...She shoulda met with Anna Nicole to set up her sugar daddy deal-at least he wasn't a terrorist.
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Jules, I think the comment was a reference to M. Pierre Rizk, Suha's "constant companion" and financial advisor, and former henchman for the PLO's worst enemies in Lebanon, and maybe someone with ties to the Mossad as"good in the sack".
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$2 million? Hell, she won't settle for less than $2 billion.
A year.
I'm guessing she'll meet with an unfortunate "accident" soon. And of course the Paleos will blame Mossad.
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2 million is chump change. 22 million is chump change. Arafat has salted away BILLIONS. What the idiotarians fail to grasp is the scale of the thievery by their third world gangster-"liberationist" heroes. When one man controls an entire economy, no matter how small-- Cuba, Palestine, Congo, whatever-- he has his hands on cash flow that totals many billions each year. If he diverts even as little as 5% per annum, he can very easily accumulate a fortune in the billions within a decade. When you consider that gangsters like Arafat, Fidel, Saddam et al typically retain their stranglehold on power for several decades, you quickly see that the numbered accounts, real estate, majority equity stakes etc number in the billions of $$$$$$.
So, oddly enough, Suha's request is actually quite modest compared to the overall hoard. The real question is, who will have his hands on the 99% that will not go to Suha?
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To make it more explicit she was spending the last 3 years cuckholding Arafat with someone who has connections with folks who are his nominal worst enemies, folks who are directly responsible for the worst victimization Palestinians have suffered in recent times, the atrocity that is regularly dragged out to claim that Sharon is a war criminal for his INDIRECT role. And to top it off someone who has ties to western intel agencies, POSSIBLY including Mossad. And this woman is maintaining control over Arafats body, and is using it to milk whatever she can get from the Pal leadership.
Really, you couldnt write fiction as good as this. It would be too implausible.
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It's actually so wretched that it's beginning to make me furious. Has there ever been a people as badly screwed by their "leader" as the Palestinians? This description of Arafat's family gravesite, literally a stinking shithole, should make everyone recognize the gravity of the crime this disgusting thug has perpretrated. And the victims are not merely the Israelis he slaughtered but his own wretched people-- the ones who, like his sister, have to live in the shithole he created. Here's the link:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20041108/wl_mideast_afp/mideast_arafat_burial_041108003230 Unkempt, ankle deep in rubbish and the air thick with flies from the stinking market next door, the Arafat family plot could not be a more inauspicious burial place for the icon of Palestinian nationhood. â¦
Less than 100 square metres with two dozen tombs already in pride of place, a minimum of mourners would be able to crowd the site, stumbling over the roughshod ground to pay their last respects. Hidden behind a cement wall and accessible through a solitary white, metal door encrusted with mud, nothing could be less imposing or more humiliating for a man who is now unlikely to achieve his dream of a Palestinian state with its capital in Jerusalem.
Bin liners, a child's T-shirt and a traditional red keffiyeh (headdress of the type favoured by Arafat) are ground into the dust. Empty crisp bags, milk cartons, plastic bottles and broken glass are strewn across the burnt grass. Overgrown scarlet and white bougainvillia do nothing to sweeten the nauseating stench of rotting fruit and meat, laced with dung from half-dead donkeys tied up in the adjacent market.
Laundry hanging from a run-down high-rise flat flaps over the grave of Arafat's sister, Yussra al-Qidwa, who was laid to rest in August last year, alongside their father.
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ah, lex. My fury was expressed after Camp David 2 and after Taba, when i, like other pro-Israel doves, saw that I had been made a fool of, had been betrayed.
I have no fury now. I am enjoying it. Im in a good place, where I can see the humor and the soap opera garishness of it.
I'll almost be sorry when the old terr finally pops off, since that will mean an end to the delicious death saga.
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LH: I could not agree more, I have never had so much fun on a deathwatch, Its just to bad that ole Yasser probably is'nt still suffering, that would have made it perfect.
DEBKAfile's Exclusive Report, so add salt. EFL: Suha Arafat's French lawyers and former Palestinian prime minister Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen), struck a deal. It fixed the Palestinian Authority's financial obligations to Yasser Arafat's widow and let him finally die unambiguously and in peace at the end of a morbid tug of war between his wife and Palestinian Authority leaders. But this did not happen immediately. The confusion surrounding Arafat's condition for eleven days — officially alive, unofficially dead — was to be sustained a little longer — mainly to save Mrs Arafat's face.
Not that she has much to save, quality wise.
The settlement allowed a funeral to be arranged on "Orphan Friday" of Ramadan, November 12 — unless a new crisis pops up.
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$11 million. $22 million. $1.8 million/ month. Pocket change to the "movers and shakers" of the world. So much for Arafat's "beleagured" poor guy, man-of-the-people portrayal. The Clinton's, the Kerry's, Soros, Arafat, etc. -- THEY ARE ALL THE SAME. Difference? Costuming. Is anyone listening?
U.S.-led troops battled through "half of Falluja" on Wednesday, but Muslim militant kidnappers threatened to behead three relatives of Iraq's interim prime minister if he did not call off the offensive. Prime Minister Iyad Allawi's 75-year-old cousin Ghazi Allawi, his wife and their son's wife were seized near their home in Baghdad on Tuesday, an Allawi spokesman said. The previously unknown Ansar al-Jihad group said the hostages would die unless Allawi, "head of the Iraqi agents," halted the Falluja offensive and freed prisoners. "If the agent government does not meet our demands within 48 hours we will behead them," it said in a statement dated Wednesday and posted on an Islamist Web site.
"This is yet another criminal act by terrorists and will not thwart the determination of the government to combat terrorism," a brief statement from Allawi's office said. The three were seized a day after Allawi ordered a full-blooded assault by U.S. and Iraqi forces aimed at ridding Falluja of rebels and suspected foreign Islamist fighters to pave the way for nationwide elections planned for January. Air strikes, artillery shelling and mortar fire shook the Sunni Muslim city during intense clashes interspersed with periods of relative calm, a Reuters reporter in Falluja said. The military said U.S. and Iraqi forces had "fought their way through half of the city, including the Jolan District, suspected of being the epicenter of insurgent activity." It said those forces had met light resistance from "small pockets of fighters" on their way through the city. "We've reached the heart of Jolan," Major Clark Watson told Reuters. "It's too early to say we are controlling it ... because there will always be pockets of resistance."
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Although U.S. troops have punched into the center of the Iraqi city of Fallujah, they might later encounter many more insurgents who have escaped, perhaps to fight another day in another place. "I personally believe that some of the senior leaders probably have fled," said Army Lt. Gen. Thomas Metz, the multinational ground force commander in Iraq. Senior military leaders also said today that despite the fierce battles in the city, the fight will be over in a matter of days. "They [insurgents] seem to be fighting in very small groups, without much coherence to the defense after that initial attack we made," Metz said.
According to Metz, Iraqi insurgents have suffered significant losses, greater than the U.S. military anticipated. He also said there have been very few civilian casualties. "We felt going in that at least half, if not 75 percent, of citizens had left Fallujah," Metz said. "We have seen very, very few civilians on the streets in Fallujah." Part of the reason the battle could end soon is that many of the insurgents may have left the city before it even began, including, said Metz, the men in charge. Commanders are also concerned about what one senior military officer described as the "Fallujah effect," with insurgents throughout the country launching attacks in support of those who remain in the city.
In Ramadi, hundreds of armed militants flooded the streets, as U.S. helicopters kept watch over head. In Baquba, an Iraq police station was ambushed, killing one officer and wounding eight others. In Baghdad, car bombs hit an Iraqi police checkpoint at a hospital, as well as two churches. Further north in Kirkuk, another car bomb exploded, and two U.S. soldiers were killed in mortar attacks in Mosul. The continued violence means that even if the battle of Fallujah is successful, the problems will not be over. "We don't know how many people can go underground, simply go back into the population, or how many can escape what is a loose surrounding force around the city," said military analyst Tony Cordesman, an ABC News consultant. "We have to understand this is a battle. It is not a war." There are still concerns that the insurgents are regrouping inside Fallujah for a final assault.
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The fall of Falluja is not an end all to Iraq's problems, but it's a damned good start!
Keep the pressure on!
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I suggest that the military has "an embarrassment of riches", insofar as enemy killed. They have proven themselves terribly adept at "disappearing" enemy dead before they can be photographed or otherwise turned into propaganda. Case in point: watching on a day-to-day basis, who would suspect that the US has already killed between 15-20,000 enemy in the Sunni Triangle? And yet, Gen. Sanchez testified to that number. I hardly believe that these numbers were inflated. But listening to news reports, the high end of an estimate for this time frame would be less than a thousand. Bottom line, the "Battle of Fallujah" will be described a failure because "only 200-300 enemy were killed", when in truth it is ten times that number.
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Amoose, I am confused. Are you suggesting that the military is disappearing bodies in an effort to support deliberate misleading statements that minimize the number of enemy KIA?
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Actually, I think it's likely the initial reports are low-balled just because it's a natural correction to the tendency to exaggerate. Plus it denies our most dangerous enemy -- the press -- some of its ammunition.
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My take is that during Vietnam the body counts were inflated when we saw a trace of blood but couldn't find the body. In Iraq we are probably insisting on finding the whole thing and I'll be damned if I'm digging through the rubble to figure out if there was 2 or 20 bastards in that mini-fortress.
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Are you suggesting that the military is disappearing bodies in an effort to support deliberate misleading statements that minimize the number of enemy KIA?
Sounded more like a combination of low-balling body-counts, and removing bodies quickly so the media can't use them as grist? In all honesty don't see where they have time for the latter.
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Anonymoose, when you're doing a lot of your killing with 500 lb bombs, 155mm howitzer shells, and 120mm tank main battery rounds, a lot of the bad guys get vaporized, buried alive, or at a minimum have their various body parts subdivided and scattered across a wide area. It all adds up to making it very difficult to do a body count. Besides, the services got such a bad taste from the Vietnam era body counts that they just don't do that sort of thing any more. It's more important to kill all we find than to find all we kill.
The influx of foreign militants into Wana is continuing from neighbouring countries, making it difficult for Pakistani security forces to combat terrorism, says Interior Minister Aftab Ahmed Sherpao.
Does that mean they're being chased out of Afghanistan?
Talking to Dawn on Tuesday, the minister said that intelligence reports suggested that about 100 wanted terrorists were still present in Wana. "In addition to these terrorists, more are still coming in from neighbouring countries," the minister said. He talked about the involvement of a foreign hand in providing financial assistance to terrorists and foreign militants seeking refuge in Pakistan-Afghanistan border areas.
Who's the "foreign hand"? The Samoans aren't acting up again, are they? Gotta keep an eye on them, y'know...
Referring to the whereabouts of Al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden, the interior minister said: "I believe Osama is not in Pakistan. He must be somewhere in Afghanistan.
"We asked around here, and nobody's seen him. Recently."
Weapons sleuth Charles Duelfer, who conducted the fruitless post-invasion search of Iraq for weapons of mass destruction, narrowly missed being killed by a suicide car bomber in Iraq, two television networks reported Tuesday. CBS and NBC said two of Duelfer's bodyguards died in Monday's attack. CBS said Duelfer was traveling in the second of a four-vehicle convoy on the airport road in Baghdad when the suicide bomber tried to ram the weapons expert's car. The bomber was cut off by the security guards in a trailing car. In Washington, the Pentagon said it had no information about the incident.
On Monday, the Iraqi Interior Ministry reported that two sport-utility vehicles were caught in an explosion as a convoy traveled through the western Amiriyah district on the airport road. Witnesses reported seeing two dead Westerners lying on the ground while three victims were airlifted away.
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Three Pakistani soldiers were killed and 17 were wounded Tuesday in clashes against suspected al Qaeda forces in the South Wazirstan border area of Pakistan and Afghanistan. Hundreds of Pakistani soldiers and helicopter gunships are taking part in the operation. Intelligence sources also told CNN that 15 other people were killed Tuesday in the operation against al Qaeda hideouts.
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Sudanese security forces have again stormed a refugee camp in the troubled region of Darfur and killed the women and raped the men attacked crowds. Police fired tear gas and assaulted residents at El-Geer camp near Nyala, just hours before the UN's Sudan envoy arrived at the settlement.
"Yarrr! An' wot's your name, me proud beauty?"
"Ummm... Mahmoud. What's yours?"
The UN and African Union are seeing the assault as a calculated affront, says a BBC correspondent from the scene. The assault comes a day after Sudan's government and rebels signed an agreement aimed at ending the crisis.
U.S. warplanes launched air strikes in the Iraqi city of Falluja on Wednesday amid fierce fighting between U.S.-led forces and rebels. Machinegun, mortar and rocket fire shook the Sunni Muslim city as planes made several bombing runs over the northwestern Jolan district within 15 minutes, a Reuters reporter said. Smoke was rising from houses just beyond Falluja's captured rail station, where Marines and Iraqi forces have a base. Marines said their opponents showed no signs of giving up, even though U.S. forces penetrated to the centre of the city, west of Baghdad, after an offensive launched on Monday night.
Marine tanks that pushed through central Falluja on Tuesday night met tough resistance. Gunnery Sergeant Ishmail Castillo, a member of one tank crew, told Reuters insurgents along the main road that cuts through Falluja fired machineguns and rocket-propelled grenades after they had come under U.S. mortar fire. Another Reuters reporter said explosions and smoke marked heavy fighting in Jolan and the eastern Hay al-Askari district.
The Pentagon said on Tuesday evening that at least 10 U.S. and two Iraqi soldiers had died in the offensive unleashed by 10,000 U.S. soldiers and Marines and 2,000 Iraqi troops. Allawi and his U.S. backers have vowed to retake rebel-held areas before the January polls. They say disgruntled Baathists and militants led by Jordanian al-Qaeda ally Zarqawi have turned Falluja into the epicentre of Iraq's bloody insurgency. Metz said Zarqawi and other senior rebels have probably already fled Falluja, leaving the fighting to lesser ranks.
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The Arab news's version of history has some minor deviations from the West's version but here is my favorite sentence (verbatim from the Arab News):
The Arab conquest of Mesopotamia in the 7th century AD marked the start of the cityâs decline, from which it did not recover until the 1940s.
US MARINES expect to take complete control of the Iraqi rebel bastion of Fallujah within 48 hours if their assault continues on course, a US military officer said today. "If everything goes as planned we will take full control of the city in the next 48 hours," the officer said. He said the marines would need up to a week to make the northeast corner of Fallujah safe "and at least 10 days to clear the city." American forces said today they had taken control of 70 per cent of Fallujah in the third day of a major offensive to retake the insurgent stronghold. Major Francis Piccoli, of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, said enemy fighters were bottled up in a strip of the city flanking the major east-west highway that splits Fallujah. Army and marine units had pushed south through the highway overnight, taking control of more than two-thirds of the rebel bastion, Piccoli said. "There's going to be a movement today in those areas. The heart of the city is what's in focus now," he said.
The north-western neighbourhood of Jolan, the historic warren of narrow alleys where Sunni militants rigged booby traps, is now "secured and under control," he said, although marines would continue house to house sweeps in search of fighters and weapons today. Jolan was a key target for US forces during the start of the ground assault. The military said at least 71 militants were killed in intense urban combat in the city's deserted and narrow lanes, but the number was expected to rise sharply once US forces account for those killed in airstrikes. As of last night, 10 US troops and two members of the Iraqi security force had been killed, a toll that already equalled the number of American troops who died when marines besieged the city for three weeks in April. Marine reports said 25 American troops and 16 Iraqi soldiers were wounded.
As the American forces crossed the highway that split Fallujah, armoured Army units stayed behind to guard the thoroughfare. The military reported no heavy fighting overnight, but a US attack helicopter wiped out an insurgent rocket launcher southwest of Fallujah. Earlier, as many as eight attack aircraft - including jets and helicopter gunships - blasted guerrilla strongholds and raked the streets with rocket, cannon and machine-gun fire ahead of US and Iraqi infantry who were advancing only one or two blocks behind the curtain of fire. Small groups of guerrillas, armed with rifles, rocket-propelled grenades, mortars and machine guns, engaged US troops, then fell back. US troops inspected houses along Fallujah's streets and ran across adjoining alleyways, mindful of snipers. A psychological operations unit broadcast announcements in Arabic meant to draw out gunmen. An Iraqi translator from the group said through a loudspeaker: "Brave terrorists, I am waiting here for the brave terrorists. Come and kill us. Plant small bombs on roadsides. Attention, attention, terrorists of Fallujah." Faced with overwhelming force, resistance in Fallujah did not appear as fierce as expected, though the top US commander in Iraq said he still expected "several more days of tough urban fighting" as insurgents fell back toward the southern end of the city, perhaps for a last stand.
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Breaking:
MSNBC is reporting that Marines have blown up a mosque in Fallujah, the place went sky-high probably from hidden munitions.
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The Mosque was probably under assult from IRAQI troops -that has been the mode of operation so far. The "Marines blow up mosque" is inflammatory propaganda most likley.
Look at the history of World War 1, toward the end., and on the eastern front. Look up Brusilov, and how the Germans came up with "Stosstruppen tactics", and how they broke trench warfare, by slicing through the weak spots tih short sharp engagements, bypassed and isolated the strong spots (surrounding them with infantry) and pounding them with artillery once isolated. It revolutionized tactics and strategy, and would be reflected in the Bltizkreig of WW2, and perfected in Patton's long thrust to Paris in 1944.
We are seeing a similar revolution today in MOUT combat by the US forces. They have shown the US forces not only can fight in urban terrain, but we will do so, and will do it with speed. Patton quoted Napoleon (who was said to be quoting Alexander the great) when he said "L'audace, l'audace, toujours l'audace." And that is the nature of these tactics. Plus these terrs have never faced such an enemy. The terrs are very effective against old women, children and unarmed civilians and civil police. But against battle hardened troops, they fade like a snowflake in July.
These Marines and Cavalry and Infantry troops are making history, whether the MSM realizes it or not.
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I hope you're right OS, but I'm starting to smell that the terrs will take a shot and retreat to terrorize another day. Their object is to (wisely) avoid combat with American troops so that they can return or visit another city and reestablish their reign of terror. We need to see a lot more head shots like the one yesterday. A lot more.
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Not exactly OT but today is the 229th birthday of the Marine Corps. That and the probable fall of Fallujah - what a day!!
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Even if we just flush the terrorists out of Fallujah, they have to go somewhere and in smaller groups. That somewhere is in a less inviting Iraq were more citizens will be there to point them out to both Iraqi and American forces. By systematically reducing their safe havens like this, they will be more and more exposed to detection, identification, and elimination in the greater part of Iraq which wants the peace and progress they are now witnessing. The killing of the civilians and police by the terrorist has created a hostile environment which will make it very unlikely that these butchers will be able to operate for an extended period of time beyond the level of common criminals.
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My uninformed guess is that the mosque was rigged to blow when the Marines were close and the Iraqis went in, as a way to get both propoganda value (999ths holiest site in Islam) and kill a few good guys.
What really amazed me about this story was the following line: "US and Iraqi troops captured two key landmarks yesterday - a mosque and neighbouring convention centre that insurgents used for launching attacks, according to a Los Angeles Times reporter embedded with US forces. "
So what kind of conventions do you think they've been having in Fallujah lately?
Lazare Carnot organized France for total war (an unfortunate inovation) and succeeded in repelling the Armies who had invaded France after the Revolution. He was related, don't remember the degree of parenthood, with the physicist who discovered the laws of thermodynamics.
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Every time he feels the flames of hell he comes back. Probably trying to negotiate.
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come back as a zombie
This is a serious matter. When they stick him in the ground, they need to whack off his head or drive a stake thru his heart or something. Otherwise, his festering undead corpse will walk the earth forever condeming the Paleostinians to a life of perpetual misery, poverty and lack of statehood. Not that they don't deserve it.
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I've been too busy lately to comment much on Arafat's demises, but I check every day with a smile on my face, not because I hate the man, but because one of the most terrible men of the 20th century is finally on the way to answering for all of his crimes. Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Hussein, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Ho Chi Minh - the list of terrible men is very lengthy, and I would hesitate to put Arafat too high up there, but the fact remains that he led a people to destitution while filling his coffers by swindling the world while those he waged war upon were condemned for defending themselves. He made a career out of killing the innocent and stealing from those he "represented." Stalin, for all of his atrocities, had the trains running on time. Arafat doesn't even have that. That's not a defense of Stalin, but an indicator of just how much of a loser Arafat is - death, poverty, and a shithole of hatred and lies and poor economic prospects are his legacy. He could only destroy.
My personal suspicion is that, while God must have dismissed Arafat a long time ago, even Satan doesn't want him polluting hell.
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What - again?
Jeez - Arafish can't even die right.
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'The Palestinian foreign minister, Nabil Shaath, said the 75-year-old Arafat is suffering from kidney and liver failure. Arafat's brain is working only partially because of bleeding, and all his organs except for heart and lungs "are not functioning well," Shaath said in Ramallah, West Bank. '
THREE members of Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi's family have been kidnapped by gunmen, a spokesman for the Iraqi interim government said today. A first cousin of the Prime Minister, the cousin's wife and another family member were seized from their home in Baghdad yesterday morning, spokesman Georges Sada said. He gave no further details on the circumstances of their abduction, but a police source said there had been a short gun battle at the home in a south-western district of the capital before the people were seized. Mr Sada said no demands had so far been made by the kidnappers. "This is a close cousin - Allawi's father and his father are brothers," Mr Sada said.
Hundreds of Iraqis have been kidnapped by criminal gangs in a wave of abductions in recent months, with more wealthy individuals such as doctors and businessmen most regularly targeted. Most are released after the payment of ransom. Over the same period, scores of foreigners have been seized, with many of them handed over to Islamic militant groups who have threatened to kill them if demands are not met. More than 35 foreign hostages have been killed, several by beheading.
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Quick question , shouldnt his family have had better protection from these thugs ?
What's the name of that minister that resigned over Allawi's resolve to use military option in Fallujah? I would check that guy and his party under electron microscope.
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Now that this has gotten truly personal, maybe Allawi really will personally execute a bunch of terrorists.
P.S. - Of course, nearly being murdered with an axe by Saddam's henchmen is pretty personal too.
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An Islamic group has said it is holding the three, and threatened to behead them unless the assault on Falluja stops. The threat was issued in a posting on an Islamic website by a group calling itself Ansar al-Jihad. The group also wants prisoners held by Iraqi and US forces freed. It says the hostages will be killed within 48 hours unless its demands are met.
No suprises there , usual threats . Of course Iyad Allawi isnt going to give in to their demands , they just dont get it do they . We do not negotiate with terrorists . As Tibor says , Iyad Allawi will want to get his hands dirty on this one i think
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Time for Allawi to fast-track some captured insurgent executions? Ten per hour whilst the hostages are captive? These tools don't seem to realise that Allawi won't feel obliged to be constrained by the same rules we are.
A collection of reports and snippets from BBC reporters. Pick out the "embeds" and read theirs - minus the spin, of course. In chronological order. Ignore the fluff and speculative shit generated by their buddies in the Green Zone or back in LumpyLand.
Sample: Jennifer Glasse :: EMBED with US forces at Falluja :: 0846GMT
The marines are trying to move forward into Falluja after a fierce night of fighting. They're moving street by street. In some cases, going house to house, looking for insurgents. The US forces are trying to operate under their rules of engagement and are trying to avoid taking civilian lives. It's a tricky situation because the fight is active and they will return punishing fire if they are being fired upon. This must be a very terrifying situation for civilians caught nearby. The troops I'm with say the insurgents have been intimidating the inhabitants of Falluja for many months now there are claims that some civilians are being used as human shields. Pick the gems from the bullshit - nothing new about this. Note there is a video link on right sidebar.
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Ahhh, that makes more sense, Sherry. I was repeating an internet report (should know better) and it never occurred to me that the source might mistake Rutter for Ritter.
I guess the Islamos can let their daughters out now.
US and Iraqi forces are locked in desperate street battles against insurgents in the Iraqi city of Falluja. The BBC News website spoke by phone to Fadhil Badrani, a journalist in Falluja who reports for the BBC World Service in Arabic. Say this breathlessly, with stirred (not shaken) emotion, and enough spin to escape Earth's gravity well - and you'll have it, I'll bet.
"I am surrounded by thick black smoke and the smell of burning oil. There was a big explosion a few minutes ago and now I can hear gunfire. A US armoured vehicle has been parked on the street outside my house in the centre of the city. From my window, I can see US soldiers moving around on foot near it. They tried to go from house to house but they kept coming under fire. Now they are firing back at the houses, at anything that moves. It is war on the streets. The American troops look like they have given up trying to go into buildings for now and are just trying to control the main roads. I am sitting here on my own, watching tragedy engulf my city." ...
Oh my. It's called war, Fadhil. And you obviously ain't seen shit, yet.
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"I look at the devastation around me and ask - why?"
Because these asshats have been making life in the rest of Iraq hell. The murder they carry out daily on innocent Iraqis just trying to live out their lives has to stop. Quit your crying. You brought this hell down on yourself. You should have handed these criminals over to the government. You didn't and now you may die along with them. Cry me a river. No one gives a damm.
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God, I wrote an absolute tome about this on the Beeb feedback form.. be thankful you don't have to suffer the bias of BBC radio news.. it was predictably all kittens and baby ducks/ bombing mosques and hospitals this morning.
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Not what I'd call getting my money's worth either, Howard. That's why the Beeb needs the plug pulled on its outdated extortion racket. It lives on a form of welfare and its irresponsibility now reflects that. Their brand of traitorous propaganda wouldn't survive a year were it to have to compete in an open market. Its news and politics coverage would see its market share shrivel in the face of fair competition from the likes of Sky or a British Fox.
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True - football without adverts still weighs heavily in its favour tho' - I think they need a complete clear out of the newsrooms more than anything - Oh and John Humphrey's head on a pike would be nice.
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What, Howard, you haven't been here? (BTE the current photo being displayed is an oil fire od some sort and totally unrelated to the question at hand.) I really think you ought to go see how enlightend they are and what kind of feedback they are getting.
I hope every days we will see a story where some fed up person just beats the holy hell out of a BBC reporter and it's not reported as a mugging.
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Screw them! They had a chance to join a peaceful goverment and they choose terrorism. If I were a politician in UK I would run on a platform to rid the world of Aljezera in the UK. At least take them off the dole and make them compete in a freee market.
I followed Sock's link to the BBC discussion board and couldn't believe some of the nonsense being spewed by people who frankly should know better.
I guess I underestimated how many decendants Neville Chamberland has.
We are rooting out al Qaeda and former Baathists and nothing more.
After Falluja we need to remain villigent and hit them hard in the next location they pop up.
It shouldn't take that long to destroy them or chase them from Iraq if we keep the pressure on them!
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I'll add this also, I hope like hell that Allawi has enough guts and sense to see this through. It's the Iraqi peoples only chance!
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I am surrounded by thick black smoke and the smell of burning oil.
Dude! Pull your head AWAY FROM THE EXHAUST PIPE!
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RJB - me too. The comments were sadly pathetic.
They critisize us for not being sensitive to the civilians and then they critisize us for giving the insurgents too much time to get away before the attack. I wonder if they bothered to realize that the reason we spent so much time "building up" was to give the civilians enough time to get out. Stupid idiots. Like Sarge said, if they decided to stay they are at their own risk. I would not hesitate to level any building I was taking sniper fire from to include any shrine, mosque or out-house.
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I followed the link and read all the posts. Freedom of Speach is a great thing but what was written there truely saddens me. The only reason we didnt finish the job in April was due to the UN asking for an Iraqi force to govern there. Well, the Falluja Brigade was an overwhelming failure. Now we are back where we started... at least we will get it done this time.
Can't help think of George Orwell when reading posts of those people on the BBC site. The quote "People sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to visit violence on their behalf".
Also, my condolences to our UK readers on the loss of the fine soldiers from the venerable "Black Watch" in these last few days.
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Some of the stuff the BBC chooses to publish at that link is truly gut turning and grossly uninfomed. This is not a small issue. To many in the west just don't get it at all.
Yasser Arafat is "in the hands of God", with essential parts of the Palestinian leader's power transferred to two of his aides, Palestinian Foreign Minister Nabil Shaath said in Paris last night. Shaath said an interim government was in place and functioning. He said Arafat has been unconscious and in coma for a whole week. His situation worsened last night when he fell into a deeper coma. Shaath said Arafat was still technically alive because his brain, liver and heart continued to function on a life-support machine.
But there's nobody home, no matter how hard you knock...
There was no question of subjecting the 75-year old leader to euthanasia, Shaath added. The four-man Palestinian delegation that had flown to Paris to decide whether or not Arafat should be declared incapacitated appeared to have completed its mission and left for Ramallah after a lengthy meeting with French President Jacques Chirac.
I'll say he's "incapacitated." He's dead! You can't get more incapacitated than that. All the king's horses and all the king's men won't be able to capacitate Yasser again.
The leadership is expected to announce the new line-up of power within the next day or so, not waiting for an official announcement of Arafat's death.
Which they'll put off until Doomsday if they can...
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Was watching Fox yesterday,some dipsh#t spokesman blamed the Israllie's Ramallah confimnent of Arafish,saying that lack of O2 Caused his illness.Fox news anouncer couldn't help but laugh.
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RAMALLAH: The death of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat was to be officially announced on Wednesday at his Muqataa headquarters in Ramallah, a Palestinian official told foreign news agency.
Ready or not, he's gonna die.
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Palestinians let rip at Yasser Arafat's wife Suha yesterday after she alleged his top lieutenants were plotting a deathbed coup, accusing her of abandoning the nationalist struggle for the boutiques of Paris. The bottle-blonde Suha, who is 34 years younger than the 75-year-old Palestinian leader, had not even seen her husband for nearly three years before flying to his West Bank headquarters late last month and then accompanying him to France for urgent medical care.
I love it when they eat their own...
But Suha has rarely strayed from her husband's bedside since his admission on October 29 to the Percy Military Hospital on the outskirts of Paris, where he has been in a coma since the middle of last week.
WAKE UP, YOU SENILE BASTARD! I WANT THOSE ACCOUNT NUMBERS!
In an emotional appeal to the Palestinian people, Suha said that "a handful of (people) seeking to inherit power are coming to Paris to try and bury Abu Ammar (Arafat) alive. I ask you to look at the extent of the plot." Her comments on the Al Jazeera television network came shortly before Prime Minister Ahmed Qurie, the acting head of his Palestine Liberation Organisation Mahmud Abbas and Foreign Minister Nabil Shaath left for Paris to see for themselves how their leader was faring. But her appeal to the Palestinian public appears to have fallen on deaf ears, with most people denouncing her as a "gold digger" and "deserter".
Other than that, they're actually kinda fond of her...
Israeli and Palestinian officials have reached an agreement in principle on funeral arrangements for the ailing Yasser Arafat, a Palestinian official said as hundreds of Palestinians poured into the streets of the southern Gaza Strip town of Rafah late yesterday after officials said Arafat was suffering a brain hemorrhage. "Senior Palestinian and Israeli officials have reached an agreement in principle on the arrangements to be made after the death of president Arafat," the official said. He refused to give further details about the agreement, and in particular whether Israel had given the go-ahead for the Palestinian leader to eventually be buried in his battered Muqataa compound in the West Bank town of Ramallah. Earlier, a senior Israeli official, who asked not to be named, said that the two sides would hold talks on the issue "in the night".
Fox News just showed video of Arafat's compound being cleaned, they're hauling away all the junked cars and 55 gallon drums. Getting ready to plant the old terrorist, dead or not. Fox also sez they may hold official state funeral in Cairo so "world leaders" don't have to travel to Ramallah. Bet some of the "leaders" attending were worrying about getting popped by a Israeli Hellfire.
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Now that the agreement is in hand, I predict that Arafat will be suddenly dead for keeps.
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Why not hold it in Ramallah? Any "world leader" stupid enough to attend the funeral of a damned terrorist deserves to be accosted by a Paleoswinian, kidnapped and held for ransom, or dusted by a missile.
Two activists of Sunni Tehrik and a pedestrian were killed and two people injured in an armed clash for the control of a mosque in Shah Fasial Colony on Tuesday night, police said. The dispute has been going on for many days between supporters of two schools of thought for the control of Allahwali Masjid.
Gee, I'd think twice about joining the PTA at either of these schools of thought.
Police said that Kamran and Khalid, who were killed in the shooting, were activists of Sunni Tehrik, and the third person, Shahab, was a pedestrian. The two injured Nadeem and Shafiq were also ST activists, police said. The area was tense was after the killings. A heavy police contingent reached on the spot. DIG (Operations) Mushtaq Shah also reached the area to control the law-and-order situation. He said the incident occurred outside the mosque. A leader of Sunni Tehrik, Iftikhar Bhatti, accused the Muttahida Quami Movement (MQM) of being behind the incident. He said his organization had already informed the area police station about the involving of the MQM, which he said was helping the rival group, he said.
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"You kidz are just gonna hafta seethe in private, y'hear? And don't make us come in there!"
The government has banned 11 jihadi groups that were active in Kashmir from holding public gatherings and issuing public statements, Daily Times learnt on Thursday. The government has directed the Muttahida Mahaaz Council (MMC), an alliance of the 11 groups, not to attend or hold public gatherings, meetings, rallies or congregations.
They have also been restrained from issuing statements on the Kashmir issue. A source said that the government took exception to certain "lunatic irresponsible statements" made by the leaders of the jihadi groups that had embarrassed it internationally. The MMC consists of Hizbul Mujahideen, Hizbullah, Jamiatul Mujahideen, Muslim Janbaz Force, Hizbul Momenin, Al Fatah, Al Umer, Tehreekul Mujahiden, Tehreekul Jihad, Al Jihad and Al Barq. Three other jihadi groups active in Kashmir the Jamaatud Dawa, Jaish-e-Muhammad and Al Badar - have not joined the MMC. After the government's orders, the MMC adopted a resolution that no jihadi group would hold gatherings. Because of the resolution adopted by the MCC, the chief of Hizbul Mujahiden, Syed Salahuddin, did not attend the Jamaat-e-Islami annual congregation at Azakhel Park, Nowshshra, in the first week of October, the source said. Another source said that the intelligence agencies had been monitoring the activities of Syed Salahuddin, Javed of Hizbullah, Abdullah of Jamiatul Mujahideen, Muhammad Usman of Muslim Janbaz Force, Usman Rizvi of Hizbul Momenin, Mumtaz of Al Fatah, Mushtaq Zarger of Al Umer, Jamilur Rahman of Tehreekul Mujahideen and Muhammad Tariq of Tehreekul Jihad.
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The Saudi wing of Al Qaeda has called on Muslims to rise up to defend the Iraqi city of Falluja from a "crusader campaign" by U.S.-led forces. "O Muslim youth, obey God and mobilise. Honour is calling, so for how long will you remain on the sidelines?" the Al Qaeda Organisation in the Arabian Peninsula said in the latest edition of its online military magazine Muaskar al-Battar. U.S. forces backed by Iraqi troops surged into the heart of Falluja on Tuesday to regain control of the Sunni Muslim city from insurgents. "The U.S. army launched a crusader campaign against the people of Islam and Sunna in Falluja and nearby areas and the mujahideen (holy fighters) there are determined to defend Islam," the statement said, adding that the Saudi Al Qaeda wing would "do all they could" to help insurgents in Falluja. Iraqi authorities said last month they had captured 24 suspected Saudi militants and diplomats say many more may have slipped across the border to fight in Iraq.
Al Qaeda supporters in Saudi Arabia dismissed as speculation on Wednesday reports that prominent militant 
At least 22 Chechen rebels were killed by Russian troops in the separatist republic, including a man officials say was linked to the assassination of Chechnya's pro-Moscow president Akhmad Kadyrov. Ramzan Kadyrov, the killed leader's son, said elite troops had infiltrated a rebel base in Chechnya's turbulent Vedensky district and killed 22 militants in a brief gun battle, the Interfax news agency reported. "
Spanish police said they arrested two Pakistanis suspect overnight in Barcelona for alleged membership in an Islamic terrorist group police said they had broken up in a September raid in the northeastern city. Spanish judge 
A Wyoming college student has been charged with providing material support to a terrorist group after acknowledging to federal agents in Texas that he was trying to send military equipment to a Somali group that the U.S. government has designated as a terrorist organization, officials said yesterday. The student, 
The hunt for the masterminds of the Australian embassy bombing in Jakarta appears to have stalled after Indonesian police released several suspects because of lack of evidence. Police yesterday released four people they had arrested in the coastal fishing port of Pelabuhan Ratu and the nearby mountain city of Sukabumi following the September 9 suicide bombing, which killed 10 people as well as the bomber. Police spokesman Inspector General Paiman said there was not enough evidence to prove the men were involved in the embassy blast or the suicide attack on the JW Marriott Hotel in Jakarta last year, despite at least two of them having trained as militants. "Both of them were proven to have participated in military-style training at Gunung Peti, near Pelabuhan Ratu," Paiman said. "They were trained by Rois."
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Suha Arafat has rejected a $2 million financial settlement from Palestinian figures acting on behalf of the Palestinian Authority, according to French sources, who are becoming increasingly impatient with the wife of the deeply comatose Palestinian leader, Yasser Arafat.
Suha Arafat's French lawyers and former Palestinian prime minister Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen), struck a deal. It fixed the Palestinian Authority's financial obligations to Yasser Arafat's widow and let him finally die unambiguously and in peace at the end of a morbid tug of war between his wife and Palestinian Authority leaders. But this did not happen immediately. The confusion surrounding Arafat's condition for eleven days — officially alive, unofficially dead — was to be sustained a little longer — mainly to save Mrs Arafat's face. 
Yasser Arafat is "in the hands of God", with essential parts of the Palestinian leader's power transferred to two of his aides, Palestinian Foreign Minister 
Palestinians let rip at Yasser Arafat's wife Suha yesterday after she alleged his top lieutenants were plotting a deathbed coup, accusing her of abandoning the nationalist struggle for the boutiques of Paris. The bottle-blonde Suha, who is 34 years younger than the 75-year-old Palestinian leader, had not even seen her husband for nearly three years before flying to his West Bank headquarters late last month and then accompanying him to France for urgent medical care.
