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2004-11-10 Europe

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Posted by tipper 2004-11-10 4:01:50 AM|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Update....More and more manpower arriving at the scene....police SWAT has been replaced by Marines Special OPS team and sniper teams....large number of ambulances and firetrucks also arriving indicating violent ending.....I remember the pictures of Madrid when terrorists blew them selfs up......

Posted by Dutchgeek 2004-11-10 4:20:54 AM|| 2004-11-10 4:20:54 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 ...of Asian descent... they mean he was maybe Chinese? Mongolian or Korean? Or maybe Japanese? Burmese of Thai?

Or perchance they mean that Middle East is a part of Asia?

Maybe a Saudi Buddhist...

Posted by CornÃ®liÃ«s 2004-11-10 4:56:21 AM|| 2004-11-10 4:56:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Stay safe, DG, and thanks for the first-hand report.
This is happening practically within sight of the International ~~Kangaroo~~ Criminal Court.
The dhimmi elements of the Euro media are probably shitting themselves trying to figure out to spin it.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-11-10 5:05:05 AM|| 2004-11-10 5:05:05 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Phuckin morons, some Brits (one wrote this story I would guess) reason consider some middle easterners, afghans, paks even indians asians. Stuff going bomb sounds like things are worse than the Cops thought.
DutchGeek take care.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-11-10 5:23:21 AM|| [http://www.slhess.com] 2004-11-10 5:23:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 From 3rd hand

Neighbour of terrorists in The Hague overheard conversation:

Police: come outside and no one is going to get hurt.

Terrorist: I'm going to behead you. I'm going to behead you.

Posted by CornÃ®liÃ«s 2004-11-10 5:38:25 AM|| 2004-11-10 5:38:25 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Pictures of the area....

Posted by Dutchgeek 2004-11-10 5:47:13 AM|| 2004-11-10 5:47:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Phuckin morons, some Brits (one wrote this story I would guess) reason consider some middle easterners, afghans, paks even indians asians.

Yeah, SPoD. That's beacuse i) they are Asians (what continent do those folks come from if it's not Asia?); ii) the word Asian has come to commonly denote different types of Asians in the US and the UK, and elsewhere. Our most familiar Asians are the ones you've listed (legacy of empire means that the majority of Asian immigrants to the UK are from the Indian subcontinent); I presumes your most familiar Asians are the ones most proximal to the US - the East Asians. Getting flustered by Europeans' use of the words 'Asian' to describe different Asians from the ones you expect is like a Brit raging about Americans' use of the word fanny to describe what is patently a bum. ;)

Posted by Bulldog 2004-11-10 5:48:14 AM|| 2004-11-10 5:48:14 AM|| Front Page Top

could be Japaneese I may he been wrong.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-11-10 5:48:16 AM|| [http://www.slhess.com] 2004-11-10 5:48:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Ahhah, SPOD, this is obviously another uprising by Moonie terrorists, no doubt incited by evil mastemind Karl Rove and the Washtington Times.

Seriously, it appears that this guy is just someone who was caught up in the action. There are many east Asians in the Netherlands.
A large part of the Islamos are not Asian but North African, though "Asian" is a common European catch-all term for any dark-skinned people who are not Americans or sub-Saharan Africans.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-11-10 5:56:09 AM|| 2004-11-10 5:56:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 It seems this guy was caught because he didn't have a permit to stay in The Netherlands....that's it....

Posted by Dutchgeek 2004-11-10 5:59:36 AM|| 2004-11-10 5:59:36 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Nice leopard-skin print tangas in #8!!

Posted by Howard UK 2004-11-10 6:08:22 AM|| 2004-11-10 6:08:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 Likely collaborationist MSM spin:

Minimize if possible (ala LLL terrorist at Los Angeles consulate).
Vague description of perps; "Asian" or "North African" rather than "Muslim" or "Arab," (always a dhimmi-media favorite.)
Islamos provoked by American "atrocities" in Iraq (see "Fisk, Robert").
Excessive force by Dutch authorities (Close-ups of guns and blood if possible, loaded language; "brutal," "violent," "heavily armed," etc.)
Prominent emphasis on "Abdul in the street" whining ("we did nothing, nothing, and they come for us like Nazis!")

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-11-10 6:19:11 AM|| 2004-11-10 6:19:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 Media reports a lot of explosives might be in the building.....Madrid like scenario is being talked about more often.....wild rumors circulating that tanks and helicopters might be deployed but that still looks a little wild to me....

Posted by Dutchgeek 2004-11-10 7:52:17 AM|| 2004-11-10 7:52:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 SWAT teams ready to get in any moment now....people living in the surroundings ordered to take cover...

Posted by Dutchgeek 2004-11-10 8:55:05 AM|| 2004-11-10 8:55:05 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 Nearby residents told ANP news agency they were jolted awake by a huge blast. "It was like a war movie being played out in front of my house," said Sylvia Cordia, 42. She told ANP a first blast came from a boobytrap attached to a door, then a grenade was thrown before police and suspects exchanged gunfire.

Posted by Steve 2004-11-10 9:09:01 AM|| 2004-11-10 9:09:01 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 One man â dressed only in underwear â was seen being escorted by two police officers in bullet proof vests to a police van on the Lorentzplein at about 8am. Authorities later revealed he had not been arrested.

Posted by Steve 2004-11-10 9:23:17 AM|| 2004-11-10 9:23:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 it was not immediately clear why air space over the city - which has no major airports - had been closed.

To prevent the French from giving the terrorists air support, that's why.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-11-10 9:26:21 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/] 2004-11-10 9:26:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#18 Authorities later revealed he had not been arrested.

They don't have indecent exposure laws?

Posted by Fred 2004-11-10 9:58:09 AM|| 2004-11-10 9:58:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#19 Rumor has it 10 people are in the building.....

Posted by Dutchgeek 2004-11-10 10:02:57 AM|| 2004-11-10 10:02:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#20 thanks for keeping us informed DG , seems BBC like usual, is being selective in what it shows its readership , i have been checking back here for updates from u regularly . If Fred gets any money as per visit to this site , he'll be a millionaire soon , the amount of hits i have had today :p

Posted by MacNails 2004-11-10 10:11:44 AM|| 2004-11-10 10:11:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#21 Some of you guys are way off base. The man in the photo could easily be a Muslim from Indonesia.

Posted by Tom 2004-11-10 10:17:41 AM|| 2004-11-10 10:17:41 AM|| Front Page Top

#22 One person seems to have surrendered according to some sources.....action from SWAT teams expected soon

Posted by Dutchgeek 2004-11-10 10:22:39 AM|| 2004-11-10 10:22:39 AM|| Front Page Top

#23 Shot's fired, helicopter above the area,,,,,

Posted by Dutchgeek 2004-11-10 10:27:02 AM|| 2004-11-10 10:27:02 AM|| Front Page Top

#24 Thanks for the updates Dutchgeek, good example of blogging being more responsive than traditional news sources.

Posted by Lux 2004-11-10 10:30:29 AM|| 2004-11-10 10:30:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#25 Tension on the streets in area of building rising k9 units ready for crowd control....

Posted by Dutchgeek 2004-11-10 10:38:03 AM|| 2004-11-10 10:38:03 AM|| Front Page Top

#26 DG,

Thanks for the coverage. This seems to be on a US news blackout. Amazing.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-11-10 10:38:28 AM|| 2004-11-10 10:38:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#27 No problem, this is why BloGs are there....

Posted by Dutchgeek 2004-11-10 10:42:15 AM|| 2004-11-10 10:42:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#28 Small fights between Dutch and arab people standing in the crowds in vcinity of sealed of area...

Posted by Dutchgeek 2004-11-10 10:45:09 AM|| 2004-11-10 10:45:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#29 "watch out! they're gonna seethe!"

Posted by Frank G 2004-11-10 10:49:08 AM|| 2004-11-10 10:49:08 AM|| Front Page Top

#30 DG,

US coverage starting. Just saw this.

The Dutch parliament is scheduled to discuss tomorrow what should be done in the wake of Van Gogh's murder. The position of Interior Minister Johan Remkes, responsible for the intelligence service, the AIVD, is under pressure, De Telegraaf reported.

An AIVD employee leaked information to a group to which the suspected killer of Van Gogh belonged, the newspaper said.

Balkenende has asked for a probe into possible AIVD leaks. In the cabinet, Justice Minister Piet-Hein Donner has been named the coordinating official in dealing with terrorist attacks.

What is going on over there?

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-11-10 10:49:45 AM|| 2004-11-10 10:49:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#31 Lots is haapening here in The Netherlands...the reason why there is such a low priority is that this scenario can happen in every Western European country at the moment. The cooking point between natives and the muslim immigrants is red hot now and politics is way too late.....I tell u way too late.....other countries like Belgium, Germany etc are holding their breath and hope it won't get worse in The Netherlands in order to keep there own garden clean......

Posted by Dutchgeek 2004-11-10 10:58:03 AM|| 2004-11-10 10:58:03 AM|| Front Page Top

#32 It seems a number of persons have been arrested....1 wounded....area clear....robot in the building to check for explosives.....

Posted by Dutchgeek 2004-11-10 11:12:19 AM|| 2004-11-10 11:12:19 AM|| Front Page Top

#33 Regarding the "Asian" remarks and little controversy:

1) Hey, SPoD! Get out your Rand McNally and catch up on your geography. Bulldog is right. Or is it because Israel is in the Eurovision song contest and their soccer teams qualify for European Cup you think the Middle East is European?

2) He is most likely either Moluccan or Indonesian. Remember Indonesia is the world's largest Muslim country and an ex-Dutch colony. Look no further than those two facts.

Posted by Jack is Back! 2004-11-10 11:22:15 AM|| 2004-11-10 11:22:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#34 Hmmm, they live near a train station.

Didn't the Madrid guys live near them, too?

Posted by anonymous2u 2004-11-10 11:35:17 AM|| 2004-11-10 11:35:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#35 Bulldog, look at it this way re: Asians.

It's PC. I remember a few years ago reading a story out of Britain about Asians rioting.

I thought it was odd, Asians don't riot - at least here they don't.

Only later were they ID'd as ME.

It's a way to not stereotype. It's only been in the past few years that Asians have come to mean MEasterners.

Posted by anonymous2u 2004-11-10 11:41:32 AM|| 2004-11-10 11:41:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#36 Bulldog, look at it this way re: Asians.

It's PC. I remember a few years ago reading a story out of Britain about Asians rioting.

I thought it was odd, Asians don't riot - at least here they don't.

Only later were they ID'd as ME.

It's a way to not stereotype. It's only been in the past few years that Asians have come to mean MEasterners.

Posted by anonymous2u 2004-11-10 11:41:32 AM|| 2004-11-10 11:41:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#37 I believe the asians rioting were mainly of Pakistani origin, more accurately classified muslim than asian (or middle eastern), but as per usual obscuration was the order of the day in the reporting.

Posted by Lux 2004-11-10 11:46:57 AM|| 2004-11-10 11:46:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#38 Dutch authorities will give a press conference @ 18:00 CET.... For the time being only 2 people were arested,,,one was wounded....currently they check the building on explosives.....Ok I leave it to our government regulated news networks now ;D

Posted by Dutchgeek 2004-11-10 11:48:20 AM|| 2004-11-10 11:48:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#39 ananymous2u - it's not PC. In the UK, Pakistanis are usually referred to as 'Asians', or members of the 'Asian community' by everyone (who isn't using the term 'Paki', which is considered an insult). The great majority of our Muslim immigrants are from Pakistan, India and Bangladesh. They're all referred to as 'Asians', and people understand who's being referred to by that term. Other 'Asians' are Hindus and Sikhs, and some Buddhists, which I agree may may lead to confusion, especially I fear in the future, but Indian Muslims are from places as geographically 'Asian' as Indian Hindus and Sikhs. More so Bangladesh. We don't tend to put India in the area known as the ME, nor Pakistan, for that matter. Look at the BBC News website - those three make up the bulk of the South Asian region (sometimes referred to as the Indian subcontinent). May sound odd to American ears, but it's got nothing to do with people trying to conflate or confuse different immigrant groups for the purpose of misleading an audience.

We simply have many more South Asians than you, and fewer East Asians. The American idea of an 'Asian' is different from the British.

Arabs are usually be referred to as Arabs or Middle Easterners, not 'Asian'.

Posted by Bulldog 2004-11-10 12:20:08 PM|| 2004-11-10 12:20:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#40 Bulldog-maybe it's a regional thing. The definitions you give for "Asian" sound about right in terms of the way I've heard it used here in Illinois.

Posted by Jules 187 2004-11-10 12:41:23 PM|| 2004-11-10 12:41:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#41 Britain has millions of Asians from the subcontinent and relatively few from east Asia. Basically the reverse of our situation. Makes perfect sense for the Brits to use "Asian" to designate indians/pakistanis/bangladeshis.

Posted by lex 2004-11-10 2:49:16 PM|| 2004-11-10 2:49:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#42 When I think Asia I picture Orientals(China,Japan,etc.)

Posted by raptor 2004-11-10 7:57:49 PM|| 2004-11-10 7:57:49 PM|| Front Page Top

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