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Cutting perhaps, but funny indeed! I'm sure Obama can laugh at himself. Question though, did Hillary find this funny? Far from it, being her burger stop video last year!
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smn: serious question. I don't get the internal contradiction in your support for Obama and a strong defensible Israel. The two are mutually exclusive if you know his circle of advisors and position in the ME. Explain?
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Nice smash of the media. Could easily have been a Republican in Hillary's seat and any randomly selected Democrat for Obama but still the joke works because the book licking is so obvious.
further, what can anyone find or see in Obama's record or writings that could be construed as conservative convictions?
foreign relations:
Keep in mind Obama will have his finger on the red button.
Will Obama's promised **Rather than spend billions on defense, I will go forth and make friends again with everyone in the World** [a milk-toast peace at any cost mismanagement style] back the USA into a Nuclear corner?
And if it does will he have the cjones to crush our enemies and their civilian population with our Nuclear Weapons?
How the hell will Obama possibly avoid using that button without complete capitulation to..
Communist Russia,
Communist China
Communist North Korea
Islamic Iran
Islamic Pakistan
Islamic Terrorists
How about Obama's steadfastness on Missile Defense for the USA?
How about Obama's conviction to back Israel to the max?
How about Obama's core belief system on the sovereignty of the USA?
How about Obama's view on illegals swamping our vital institutions?
How many hand cuffs and ankle manacles do the teachers unions have on Obama?
How about Obama's core thoughts on the horrible PC brain washing of our children in public GOVERNMENT schools.
How 'bout Obama's record on our 2nd Amendment rights?
and dozens more,
Let's face it Obama doesn't have anywhere near the experience with government management or life for that matter, to be President.
It's not his fault.. just saying..
Obama has a rather parochial [narrow] slant on America.
A full scale civil war is approaching, centered on the northern part of Kosovo. This is not good.
Hopes for a peaceful conclusion to the declaration of Kosovo's independence were fading as the European Union announced it had withdrawn its staff from the north of the fledgling country in the face of increasingly angry Serb protests.
The civilian staff were meant to be preparing for the EU to take over responsibility for security in Kosovo from the United Nations. "We are not sufficiently confident that they are safe here," said US ambassador Cameron Munter. On Thursday protesters stormed and burned the US embassy in Belgrade. A week after tens of thousands of people took to the streets of the Kosovan capital Pristina to celebrate the country's unilateral declaration of independence, Kosovo is already effectively partitioned.
The mostly Serb-populated northern region around the divided town of Mitrovica, next to the Serbian border, has made it clear that it wants no part of the newborn country that Serb officials consider "illegal". The bridge on the Ibar River that divides the Albanian and the Serb parts of Mitrovica has been closed to traffic, guarded by UN police and Nato on one side, and Serb strongmen on the other.
At the same time, KFOR, the Nato-led peacekeeping force, sealed the border to Serbia, after angry mobs torched border crossings. "This is a beginning of a secession of the northern part of Kosovo," Oliver Ivanovic, a Kosovo Serb leader from Mitrovica, told The Sunday Telegraph. "I fear it will lead to attacks on the remaining Albanians living in northern Mitrovica to force them to flee across the river.
Map here. Mitrovica isn't 'on' the border but it's close enough. It's also fairly close to Pristina. Kosovo is not a big patch of earth.
The Albanians would then retaliate on the Serbian enclaves throughout Kosovo, and the ethnic cleansing will be completed under the eyes of the international community." According to Mr Ivanovic, while the Serb government officially pledges never to accept Kosovo's independence, some individual officials and their political groups are quietly orchestrating the secession. He himself was sidelined as a moderate leader and his influence diminished as the situation escalated and Belgrade-sponsored extremists won the upper hand.
Yesterday Peter Feith, the EU's Kosovo envoy, said security concerns were behind the withdrawal of his staff from northern Kosovo. They had been preparing the ground for a 2,000-strong EU rule of law mission. "I would like to appeal to the Serb community to be generous and to turn the page and look forward to working together with us," he said. "We hope that conditions will soon allow us to resume our activities."
Slobodan Samardzic, the minister for Kosovo in the Serb government, deemed the attacks on the border crossings "legitimate" and said they were in "accordance with the Serbian government's policy." Britain, the US and other Western countries have recognised independent Kosovo as a sovereign state, prompting criticism from countries such as Russia, a staunch Serb ally, but also China and some EU members, notably Spain, who claim the move to be a dangerous precedent that would weaken the rule of international law and encourage separatist movements across the world.
In the Serb part of Mitrovica, anti-independence rallies have been held every day since the independence declaration last Sunday, in an atmosphere of increasing tension and lawlessness instigated by Belgrade-paid agitators. Serbian government officials address the angry crowds as rocks, bottles and fireworks are being hurled at the UN police guarding the bridge, while thugs in track suits and leather jackets cruise the town as self-appointed guardians of security.
Officers of the Kosovo Police Service (KPS), the multi-ethnic police force which serves in northern Mitrovica, said they will no longer take orders from Pristina following the independence declaration and have vowed to swap their uniforms for those of the Serbian police. "I did not join the force to serve an illegal Albanian state. The capital of my state is Belgrade, as stipulated by the United Nations Resolution 1244.
I will soon change this uniform for a Serbian one and continue to serve my people," a KPS officer serving in Mitrovica told the Sunday Telegraph under the condition of anonymity. On the street dotted with Serbian and Russian flags and banners with anti-independence slogans, the police officer was engaged in a cordial conversation with one of the thugs known as 'bridge watchers', whose job is to make sure no Albanian crosses the bridge. He said: "We will not create incidents but we will not tolerate any form of Albanian rule. This is and it will always remain Serbia. We may be small, but we have the full support of Serbia and Russia. And we have weapons, should we be forced to protect ourselves."
Serbia has sent dozens of busloads of protesters to support the rallies in the north. But following several days of unrest, KFOR decided to seal the border and halt the influx of potential protesters from Serbia. "We have issued orders not to let buses through or any individuals who could pose a potential threat to the security of Kosovo. We are also fully able and ready to prevent any clashes between Serbs and Albanians, "a KFOR spokesperson said.
Indeed, dozens of armoured vehicles and tanks have been deployed at key points in the border region, after Belgrade officials announced that they would march into Kosovo in their thousands albeit for peaceful rallies. "KFOR troops are trained and well-equipped to answer any challenges coming from inside or outside of Kosovo," a radio advertisement, paid for by KFOR, warns Serbian listeners.
But Mr Ivanovic, is sceptical. "In case of real clashes KFOR will first protect themselves and then come to count the causalities. The Serbs here have access to weapons, and I know that the Albanians living on this side of the river have recently been armed. "I see no reason for optimism."
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3,000 GIs are operating in Kosovo as part of KFOR. I sure hope the Serbs and the Russians aren't planning on an invasion. This could quickly get out of hand.
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Maybe not today but surely before the summer ends things will get ugly. The Serbs can't help themselves nor can the Kosovars. Russia has no need to invade. A means to limit the impact of concentrated airpower would probably be enough.
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Why in hell do we have any troops in Kosovo? Get them out ASAP and led the infinitely wiser Euros deal with their own problems. They don't need our help and they've told us that many, many times. Ask Chiraq, Schroeder or Malloch-Brown--they'll be happy to tell you again.
And no, I don't give a damn how many Albs or Serbs get wiped in any ensuing fight. The lot of them put together isn't worth the life of one American soldier.
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a) the enmity stretches back longer than America has been a nation
b) It's in Europes' back yard
c) It has NO national security or economic interest for the US
Get our troops out - let the EU handle it
Posted by: Frank G ||
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I agree with Jomosing Bluetooth8431, and Frank G,My sentiments exactly! It was leaked last year that the Bush Administration was conferring with the Hillary campaign on strategy and coordination in international 'policies', maybe this is still being done with the Obama camp, as well.
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I would expect that, like Darfur, Obama would be totally committed to intervention til the first US casualty
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Okay, so here's a reason to stay: currently the Kosovars are (said to be) very pro-U.S. This despite whatever inroads the Wahabis and Deobandis have made the past decade; the Albanians look to us for inspiration.
Now if we walk away from them, they're going to get the idea that their distant Saoodi cousins were right. And the last thing we need is an active terrorist state/statelet in the heart of Y'urp.
I'd stay engaged. I'd also make sure the Kosovars understand that I have my limits, and asking American soldiers to die as a result of their provocations and nose-tweaking of the Serbs is beyond my limits.
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cuz they're so remembering and grateful from our previous intervention, Dr Steve? Get out, let the EUropeans handle it. Or perhaps we need EU intervention in Cuba when the shakedown happens? Spheres of influence and national interest are not just words....
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The Serbians were our buddies in WWII fighting with us against the Nazis and rescuing our pilots. We sure stuck by them.
Albanian amity is not a major national interest worth the life of my son or daughter. Time to leave the Balkans to the EUropeans who are so much better at the kind of Soft Power that will make such a difference there. In fact, time to leave EUrope to the EUropeans.
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If you can't explain to America in 3 or 4 concise sentences, why we should go to war then you will not get America behind you. It's that simple
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I was agin our first deployment to the Balkins and everyone thereafter. [two IIRC]
Because the Europeans will never pay the price, step up to the plate, take the heat until they get burned. 3 metaphors in the mix. :)
my other guess is that Russia isn't dying to deploy to the Balkins, but is willing to send weapons and weapon systems and possibily a few advisors.
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It was leaked last year that President Bush was informing all the serious presidential candidates on both sides of the aisle of his decisions and his reasons therefore. Not just Senator Clinton's campaign.
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The Serbians were our buddies in WWII fighting with us against the Nazis and rescuing our pilots. We sure stuck by them.
Correction, some Serbs. There were Serbs, Croats, Muzzies, Albanians et al on both or working both sides in WWII.
It's a curse on both houses. The Serbs play the victim/frontline fighter card just like Paleos play theirs in the muzzie world against a different kind of perceived 'foreign' enclave.
Let's remember it was Serbian nationalism, the Serbian Blackhand terrorist allied with the Serbian military/intelligence that wacked the Archduke setting into motion a couple world wars of which the results we are still dealing with. Not to mention the tens of millions of lives thrown away in the process.
Emigration from the Netherlands is now at a historic high. 132,470 residents left the country in 2006, according to a study of the Netherlands Interdisciplinary Demographic Institute (NIDI), 'Away from the Netherlands, immigration at the beginning of the 21st century'.
The top reason for leaving the Netherlands is the lack of room and tranquility and social problems through pollution, crime and the multicultural society.
The number of people who emigrated has gone up by 67% since 2000. About two thirds are of immigrant origin (about 88,000) and a third are ethnic Dutch (about 44,000). The emigrants are especially young, single men who make a good living.
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Europe is pretty much what our original founders created with the articles of confederation. Europe's system will suffer the same fate too. They want to create a constitution and create one nation, the EU ... a United States of Europe. So moving from Holland to France should be about like moving from New Jersey to Maryland.
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Interesting point lotp, I'd always wondered why the Muslims didn't all migrate to a handful of nations and tip them over, but perhaps that takes too much planning or it's too soon ad would warn others.
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The top reason for leaving the Netherlands is the lack of room and tranquility and social problems through pollution, crime and the multicultural society.
The emigrants are especially young, single men who make a good living.
....and don't want to pay the high taxes that support a socialist, entitlements based state.
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I've thought the same thing, Nimble: expand the visa program for every educated European under age 40 who wants to come to America. It would greatly upset the Euro elites (I see that as a feature), but it would create a number of political problems at home given the nasty immigration debate.
Oh well.
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You won't be getting me coming to America if you get "socialized meds".
It's the main reason I'm thinking of leaving Brownistan!
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But even the most hardened officers were stunned as they arrived at the scene. The participants in what has become known as the battle of Chelles bus station were all girls aged between 14 and 17.
Huh? Stunned? Too much English blood running through their veins to remember? Obliviously, French schools are failing to teach their charges about French history or 17 year old French girls who can kick butt.
Err, I doubt any of those black african IIRC girls are related to Joan of Arc. (I don't remember, could have been an arab vs black brawl, but I didn't pay much attention, and the msm was very careful not to mention ethnicity).
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Girl gangs had historically been wilfully discounted vv male gangs by the powers that be.
OTOH, NET + MSM > had reported incidents around the world of local girl gangs battling each other in the open.
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When asked whether there was an ethnic dimension to the fight, she reacted with surprise. It's not the blacks against the Arabs or anything like that. We're all mixed up together. It's just one estate against another.
Sounds like your typical media white-wash to me. Notice how we were only given this one statement. No other investigative commentary to deny or confirm this statement. I guess we are just to believe that the Arabs are living in harmony with their mutli-ethnic neighbors as long as they are living in the same neighborhood.
Some of the girls are incredibly violent these days, Mohammed, a 16-year-old boy, said. They're tougher than us. Just the other day a girl in school chased a boy all the way around the grounds with a knife. He had to climb up a tree to get away from her.
You have to read all the way to the very last paragraph to get this clue.
Russia's ambassador to Nato, Dmitry Rogozin, has warned that Russia could use military force if the Kosovo independence dispute escalates. "If the EU develops a unified position or if Nato exceeds its mandate set by the UN, then these organisations will be in conflict with the UN," he said. In that case Russia would "proceed on the basis that in order to be respected we need to use brute force", he said.
Many EU members have recognised Kosovo, but several oppose recognition. Russia, a permanent member of the UN Security Council, backs Serbia, which has condemned the independence declaration issued by the Kosovo parliament on 17 February.
On Tuesday members of the Serb minority in Kosovo attacked two border posts staffed by UN personnel and Kosovo police. The violence led the Nato troops in Kosovo - known as K-For - to reinforce the border with Serbia.
The EU will soon deploy 2,000 officials to strengthen law and order in Kosovo, which has a population of about two million. Russia argues that the mission has no legal basis.
There has been a furious reaction in some Russian media to Kosovo's declaration of independence. A commentary in the Vesti Plus analytical programme, on state-run television, called the assassinated former Serbian Prime Minister, Zoran Djindjic, a Western puppet who had "received a well-deserved bullet". It said Djindjic had sold national heroes to the International War Crimes Tribunal in The Hague.
The programme concluded that Serbia - and not only Serbia - must now decide whether to acquiesce in what has happened, or resist.
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Expected rantings from the 'honey bear'. NATO has taken the first prudent steps by blocking and guarding the Kosovo borders to Serbia against any prelude to invasion. My question thus: Where in the hell is the 'George Washington' of Kosovo, and to lead his team of rag tag patriots? With reports of a two million population estimate, and assuming 50% of that number is male; and 50% of that number is old enough to handle a rifle, mortar or stinger missile launcher...that leaves atleast 250,000 abled bodied troops to defend the birth of the motherland...Where are they?????
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"My question thus: Where in the hell is the 'George Washington' of Kosovo, and to lead his team of rag tag patriots? ...that leaves atleast 250,000 abled bodied troops to defend the birth of the motherland...Where are they?????"
Even assuming the population number is right (I have no idea), it's doubtful 50% are male, due to the previous war, smn.
The women could step up, of course - I would, if I were so threatened, and I know a lot of other women who would too, starting right here in the 'Burg.
More likely, though, since they're 'Yurpeans, they're all expecting some Big Daddy somebody else to do it - the EU or the UN. (They obviously havn't been paying attention.)
And what's this "if Nato exceeds its mandate set by the UN" shit, Mr. Bear? I wasn't aware the Useless Nitwits had anything to do with NATO or its "mandate," which if I remember correctly is keeping your grimy paws off of Western Europe.
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Serbia does a great "Let's you and him fight" act. Worked well in WWI.
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We are, and have been, on the wrong side of this. Kosovo is an inherent part of Serbia, and the Serbs will not stand for it being separated. Civil war and a continuation of the conflict will grow to palestinian proportions, and we (the US) caused this thanks to madeline halfbright and the clinton foreign policy of clueless jiggering in affairs not our own....
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There is no right side of this, only wrong sides. That is why we should have and should now stay out. We simply do not have a dog in this fight. It's red on red.
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GLOBALRESEARCH.CA > KOSOVO: THE US AND EU SUPPORT A PROCESS WITH STRONG LINKS TO ORGANIZED CRIME. Denoted since the Clinton Presidency and SecState Madeline Albright???
Also from GLOBALRESEARCH > FALSE FLAG OPS - THE TOP THREE US TARGET CITES. Amer against its own -Houston, Chicago, and Portland.
Serbia's hard-line leaders on Saturday called the U.S. "the main culprit" in the violence that has broken out since Kosovo declared independence.
Several thousand Serbs chanting "Kosovo is Serbia!" and "Russia, Vladimir Putin!" protested peacefully in the ethnically divided town of Kosovska Mitrovica, the sixth day of demonstrations against Kosovo's break with Serbia. Russia backs Serbia's fierce resistance to Kosovo's secession.
On Thursday night, protesters in the Serbian capital Belgrade set fire to the U.S. embassy, angered by Washington's recognition of Kosovo. The U.S. and the European Union responded by demanding Serbia protect foreign embassies.
"The United States is the main culprit ... for all those violent acts," Serbia's Minister for Kosovo Slobodan Samardzic said in Belgrade.
Other Serbian leaders have called for calm after the riots. But an aide to hard-line Serbian Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica said any future violence also will be blamed on the U.S. "If the United States sticks to its present position that the fake state of Kosovo exists ... all responsibility in the future will be on the United States," Kostunica adviser Branislav Ristivojevic said in a statement.
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As an aside, the french far-right blogosphere is going apesh*t over that kosovo issue, with USA-bashing at a peak (using all the left-created memes about the USA, Viet Nam, soon-to-be quagmire in the balkans this time, everyone hates the USA for their duplicious imperialism, decadence, conspiracies, capitalism & free market ideology as the source of the dissolving of european Nations,... as is usual for the far-"right"), and putinolatry set on maximum level; when the russians said force was option, it was like a wet dream for many, with putin ready to give a severe lesson to the USA, the powerful russian army ready to roll over the US army, the coming of WWIII when one will be able to desert and go to the other side, etc, etc...
Vlad as the savior of Europe, the slavs against the Atlanto-Zionist fueled decadence & multiculturalim/mass immigration/..., isn't that pretty ironical? The fantasies are flying wild.
Btw, I've read and heard different opinions from the accepted-as-fact serbian mythology over kosovo, and while I don't see this independence as a good thing from what it may cause, I have now no doubt the serbs have zero legitimity over it, and that the "one people, on land" folks in the french right should accept the fact that kosovars can have their own country. But, the serbs are all the rage, and the idea that kosovo has been populated by muslim immigrants resonates deeply with what's happening in France.
The US embassy in Serbia has begun pulling out non-essential staff following the storming of the building on Thursday. A convoy of around 40 cars carrying American staff and family members has now left Belgrade. They are expected to remain abroad for up to 10 days, the US embassy said. "We are not sufficiently confident that they are safe here," said US Ambassador Cameron Munter. The embassy also offered private US citizens the chance to join the convoy to Croatia.
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Very wise indeed, on the US's part. Let the UN or EU discuss this matter in a committee. It's simply amazing how "Obama Like" "W" is becoming in his "Orwellian Views" these final 'days'! Nothing like stealing the thunder from the 'Renaissance Man'. Pull back from Iran...'Your on your own' to Israel... draw down from Serbia!!! Man, you're talking about reading the tea leaves, what's next; lack of protection in Dallas again? Where have I seen this scenario before?
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Nader didn't pull that many votes from the Gorebot, but it was enough. Nader will also keep sniping at BO from the left so that he can't move as rapidly to the center as he might wish; though I'm not sure BO has enough sense to do that. But Ralphie will prevent BO from being so non-descript that it is difficult to tell the difference between him and McCain. Good news for the trunks.
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Well, if Hillary manages to win the D nomination, Nader will certainly be difference maker. And his pull to the left will cement Obama in place pretty well - question is how effectively will the press cover and hide Obama's socialism with Nader there calling him out on it?
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"if Billary manages to win steal the D nomination"
Fixed that for ya', OS.
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Nader makes it harder for Obama to avoid policies and substance in favor of hope hope hope talk. I knew he'd run if Hillary won but this surprises me a little and I look forward to the circus.
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he'll keep O'bama from shifting too much to the center, as every candidate wants to do in the general election campaign
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You don't 'get it', do you Frank G?
Obama is not cut from the same mold as 40 of your nation's predecessors! Even those who witnessed the triumphs of such men as Alexander The Great, at the time, didn't think he could 'do it'. Obama is outside the box looking in, and may well be the President who will have to deal with the Mayan, Casey and Nostradamus prophesies of 2012! Obama is a 'Renaissance Man', Utopian goals fired by nationalistic pride and coalescing are is aforethought. Nader is a mosquito buzzing and harassing the juggernaut of a revolutionary new beginning proposed and offered by this shining star, and first since the founding of this nation. And thank God you lived long enough to see it. Millions of others died with just the faith and an unfulfilled hopes for just such an event!
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"my" nations' predecessors? Apparently you aren't American?
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by the way, tinfoil becomes you
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smn posts via NYC, but has hinted in previous comments that he's not American.
I do hope smn isn't counting on Obama to protect Israel, by the way. The evidence is pretty clear that the big O is rather more sympathetic to Damascus than to Tel Aviv.
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Not worried about Israel Lotp, Obama has sworn 'on the Bible' that his inspiration and faith is based on Christianity, and if God cherishes his Children of Israel to persist, then thats good for Obama too!
Frank G 'tinfoiling' me tends to hurt; he knows how intelligent I am, a deep thinker, but malleable; and he once became upset some years back, when I offered to indicate just how many degrees I have, or my IQ!
Nevertheless, the '"my" nations' predecessors?' I referred to were the WASP Execs that brought this nation forward, four of which I hold in great esteem, namely: George Washington, the 'Father Of The Country', Abraham Lincoln, the first 'black President', Roosevelt (and his New Deal), and JFK! Nader registers just about where the 'surprise meter' puts him!
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Frank G 'tinfoiling' me tends to hurt; he knows how intelligent I am, a deep thinker, but malleable; and he once became upset some years back, when I offered to indicate just how many degrees I have, or my IQ!
Uh huh...that scarred me so deeply I overcame it with a JD on the rocks....when was this?? I have a BS/CE License, and nearly MS education, and you know what that means as far as my opinion's standing? SQUAT
measure your opinion on it's worth, don't pull credentials here or you'll leave with (even) less self-esteem. The fact I don't remember it should be a factor in your self-worth. Post it and I'll evaluate it on it's own worth, don't pull that crap here,
Sincerely
Frank G
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FREEREPUBLIC > NADER candidacy > OBAMA SUPPORTED THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL???
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Obama is a f**king socialist. Plain and simple. Other than missing tons of votes in Illinois, and DC, he has done nothing of substance, at least nothing notable other than managing to "inspire" (fool) people while revealing little to no substance.
And its surprising how people fool themselves about him. Self-generated ignorance is an incredible toxin, and the Obama backers are good examples of this. Chauncy the gardener comes to mind - his ignorance knows no bounds, and his supporters self delusions are similarly unbounded.
Name *one* real, worthy, accomplishment of his, and the policy that resulted.
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Name *one* real, worthy, accomplishment of his, and the policy that resulted.
muBarack has made me feel, you know, like totally at one with his dream for us all to come together and like I want to be one with everybody in our country and to like purge it of the negative waves. And now I feel so good thanks to his positive waves. It's like a great feeling. Please pass the Kool-aid, dude.
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Think about conservatives you know and famous ones. A good proportion, perhaps even a majority of conservatives are converts. Even Ronald Reagan.
Then think about Barak Obama, Hillary, and most of the liberals/socialists and unreformed old leftist revolutionaries like Medea Benjamin, both the famous ones, and ones you personally know - a vast majority of them have been the same life long, starting out as student protesters and agitators, etc. And they do not fundamentally change.
Keeping that in mind, consider this:
"To hold the same views at forty as we held at twenty is to have been stupefied for a score of years, and take rank, not as a prophet, but as an unteachable brat, well birched and none the wiser."
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Nostradamus, the Mayans and Casey predictions? We're not seriously basing anything on that kind of thing, I hope!
I haven't any degrees, I'm afraid, but I have been privileged to sit at the feet of the Rantburg professoriate. And to have a few other interesting conversations, here and there. I've never had a proper IQ test either, although my mother (who has an accidental PhD in psychology with expertise in child development) appeared content with her private evaluations. What are your degrees in, smn? IQ test results are anyway +/- 10 points of the result, which at the extremes can move one over a standard deviation, with dramatic results... or not.
Senator Obama sounds like a U. of Chicago undergrad -- lots and lots of esoteric theory, but... I presume he knows an awful lot about the tiny corner of the subject he lectures on at the U of C law school. An awful lot of his friends are so anti-Israel as to be antisemitic. Mr. Nader, on the other hand, is a straightforward reactionary bigot with pretentions. Charmless, as Grineque Panda1639 says.
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Frank G, OldSpook...what do we present ourselves with: "...Cry Havoc, Let slip the Dogs of War..."?? The gnashing of the teeth, the bathing in ashes? LOOK, SEE, the 'Red Sea is splitting' yet you don't believe? Believe!
As the battle for the labor vote between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama is heating up in the crucial March 4 primary battleground of Ohio, Clinton leveled new charges on Saturday of unfair attacks by her Democratic presidential opponent.
Clintons claims are based on two Obama campaign mailers, one targeting Clintons advocacy for the North American Free Trade Agreement and the other attacking her on her health care stance. . . . Enough with the speeches and the big rallies and then using tactics that are right out of Karl Roves play book. This is wrong and every Democrat should be outraged, Clinton told reporters Saturday after a campaign rally in Cincinnati, Ohio. The Clintons complaining about someone using cheap shots on them (for a change). Irony meter is pegged at "off-scale high."
So shame on you Barack Obama. It is time you ran a campaign consistent with your messages in public. Thats what I expect from you. Meet me in Ohio and lets have a debate about your tactics and your behavior in this campaign, Clinton said. The two are set for a debate Tuesday in Cleveland.
Obama, speaking later in the day to reporters in Columbus, Ohio, dismissed the accusations. . . .
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Got Bush elected twice didn't it?
Untouched Gore and Kerry play books are on the quick liquidation high discount table at the clearance and recycle bookstore.
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Enough with the speeches and the big rallies and then using tactics that are right out of evil jew neocon Karl Roves play book. This is wrong and every GermanDemocrat should be outraged,
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From Instapundit:
"HILLARY IS SHAMING OBAMA for telling people she's going to force them to buy insurance whether they can afford it or not. It really is so unfair. She's going to force them to buy insurance only if she thinks they can afford it. There will be tax credits and subsidies to get them to the level where they will be told they can afford it. Surely, no one will think they can't afford it once they government has figured out that they can. How dare Obama hinge his argument on the notion that people will have ideas of their own about how to spend their money."
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The audio clip I heard says it all - quickly mounting desperation. She's flailing blindly now. With a little more campaign time to exude arrogance and idiocy she will have all but gutted herself as far as national presidential politics are concerned. Nice. You go botoxed warhorse of yesteryear! Up that chute betsy. Don't look back. Don't look back.
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nonsense! Consider the fun and enjoyment in the Clinton household/marital bed, then remember the procuring of FBI files for political extortion/use. I think the both of them should suffer forever, with only themselves for company
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Man Frank, you are into cruel and inhuman punishment. Sounds like hell on earth.
US Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and her rival, Barack Obama, take their battle to the Midwestern state of Ohio on Saturday after the New York senator denied she was contemplating defeat for her White House bid.
Reeling from Obamas 11 straight wins in nominating contests, Senator Clinton rejected the perception that her performance Thursday in a high-stakes debate in Austin, Texas, had a valedictory tone. This is going to be a spirited election between now and March 4, Clinton told supporters at a rally in Dallas, Texas, Friday. I am thrilled at the depth and breadth of support I have across the state, she said, knowing that Texas, along with Ohio, makes up a pair of must-win contests for her.
But in the debate the night before, the generous tribute she paid to her rival was seen by some commentators as an admission that her quest to be the first woman president could fall short. You know, no matter what happens in this contest - and I am honoured, I am honored to be here with Barack Obama. I am absolutely honored, she said, and reached out to shake his hand.
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SNL's opening skit last night was a mock debate in which all the media people were openly in the tank for Obama. One of the questions directed at Hillary was to the effect of "how can you keep going after losing Maryland by 20 points?" Her response was something like, "It's been a long-time dream of mine to Lose maryland to Senator Obama."
One of SNL's best ever.
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FOX + CNN + MSNBC > As of this past Sunday, OBAMA IS AHEAD OF HILLARY IN TOTAL DELEGATE TALLY, BUT NOT SUBSTANTIALLY DESPITE HIS VICTORIES. At least for now, IMO OBAMA IS "WINNING" BY HIS TOTAL STATES' VIC TALLY, NOTSOMUCH BY HIS DELEGATE NUMBERS.
(Xinhua) -- Pakistan's former ruling party Pakistan Muslim League-Quaid (PML-Q) announced on Saturday that it would sit in the opposition and play an active role in the parliament. "We accepted the election results despite rigging complaints and will set new traditions of tolerance and positive politics," the PML-Q Chief Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain said after chairing a meeting of central leaders and newly elected members of the parliament here.
The meeting was held to review the reasons of their defeat in general elections and the post-election scenario, the News Network International (NNI) news agency reported. Hussain said PML-Q members would support the future government of rivals but also "will talk on issues and will have positive contributions." "PML-Q will set new traditions in politics. We will adopt the policy of co-existence," the party Secretary General senator Mushahid Hussain Syed said.
Syed said PML-Q would support the government agenda of war on terror, foreign policy if based on national interest and policy to have good relations with neighbors. "We will say good-bye to the politics of revenge and will favor the process of reconciliation," he said.
The meeting decided to form a legal committee to extend support to the party's losing candidates who were complaining about rigging. "We will not make any effort to form government in center and provinces. But will press the government to improve life of the people and continue anti-terrorism, extremism agenda," Syed said. He said that Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain would continue to be president of the party.
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(AKI) Malaysias conservative Islamic party, the Pan-Malaysian Islamic Party (PAS), has broken a 61 year old taboo and fielded a non-Muslim as one of its candidates.
Kumutha Raman, a 29-year old law graduate, was presented to local media on Thursday. She will contest the Tiram state seat under the banner of the Parti Keadilan Rakyat, a coalition between PAS and the People's Justice Party (PKR), formed to challenge the ruling Barisan Nasional.
Barisan Nasional is the government coalition controlled by prime minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi's United Malays National Organisation (UMNO).
PASs election choice is the latest in a series of overtures aimed at attracting non-Muslim votes at the election scheduled for 8 March.
Known for its strict Islamic policies, PAS has recently dropped its call to turn Malaysia into an Islamic state and is instead campaigning for better quality of life and racial equality. Its manifesto calls for the national oil and gas company Petronas to be placed under parliamentary control, lower prices of fuel and food, and free education up to university level and free healthcare.
Taqiyya.
The election comes at a low point in Malaysias inter-racial relations with Indian and Chinese minorities increasingly showing signs of displeasure with the countrys pro-Malay laws.
At the previous election, held in 2004, the hard-line PAS called for the creation of an Islamic state and proposed harsh laws such as amputating the limbs of thieves and stoning adulterers to death. Its radical Islamic stance scared some members of the Muslim community and the party suffered badly, losing control of Terengganu state and only retaining control of Kelantan with a very slim majority.
At a national level, PAS won only seven parliamentary seats, which represented a significant decrease from the 27 parliamentary seats it had won in the 1999 general election. It plans to contest 65 of the 222 seats in the forthcoming ballot.
Almost 11 million of Malaysias 27 million people are eligible to vote. Voting is not mandatory, and recent voter turnouts have typically ranged between 70 and 75 percent.
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Racial equality in Malaysia means the Malays get welfare/social security money so they can have a lifestyle equal to that of the hard-working Indians and Chinese.
H/T: David's Medienkritik
Homeless: Can you build a life from $25?
In a test of the American Dream, Adam Shepard started life from scratch with the clothes on his back and twenty-five dollars. Ten months later, he had an apartment, a car, and a small savings.
Alone on a dark gritty street, Adam Shepard searched for a homeless shelter. He had a gym bag, $25, and little else. A former college athlete with a bachelor's degree, Mr. Shepard had left a comfortable life with supportive parents in Raleigh, N.C. Now he was an outsider on the wrong side of the tracks in Charleston, S.C.
But Shepard's descent into poverty in the summer of 2006 was no accident. Shortly after graduating from Merrimack College in North Andover, Mass., he intentionally left his parents' home to test the vivacity of the American Dream. His goal: to have a furnished apartment, a car, and $2,500 in savings within a year.
To make his quest even more challenging, he decided not to use any of his previous contacts or mention his education.
During his first 70 days in Charleston, Shepard lived in a shelter and received food stamps. He also made new friends, finding work as a day laborer, which led to a steady job with a moving company.
Ten months into the experiment, he decided to quit after learning of an illness in his family. But by then he had moved into an apartment, bought a pickup truck, and had saved close to $5,000.
The effort, he says, was inspired after reading "Nickel and Dimed," in which author Barbara Ehrenreich takes on a series of low-paying jobs. Unlike Ms. Ehrenreich, who chronicled the difficulty of advancing beyond the ranks of the working poor, Shepard found he was able to successfully climb out of his self-imposed poverty. More at the link.
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You both may be off track, its initiative and drive that made the difference in his case. He had a goal, she didn't(a leftard one maybe), he WANTED to succeed, she, for the purposes of her book, didn't.
He could probably go anywhere and reproduce the same effect, sadly, so could she.
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In a test of the American Dream, Adam Shepard started life from scratch with the clothes on his back and twenty-five dollars. Ten months later, he had an apartment, a car, and a small savings.
Guy probably could have pulled all this simply via welfare. Reminds me of an incident of a young Asian immigrant hopping out of an expensive car and being confronted by an older American minority. The old man says "How many years have you been in this country? How can you afford a car like that?" The Asian replies "I've been in the country two years -- how many years have you been here?" The old man replies I've in this country my entire life" The Asian asks "And how can you not have a car like mine?"
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Because I hit the button too soon, again. I'm surprised it's still here.
Phred is as despicable as any terrorist but nobody has declared war on him just yet.
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why hasn't anyone kicked the shit out of these ppl yet. Freespeech or not someone needs too take the initiative on these fools. Maybe one day they will make it too the southern US too see how well the law enforcement protcts their asses.
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To judge from the video, I would guess that Reno hates their lame asses... nice to see they were shunned like the scum they are.
The reason that no one has kicked their asses, Sinese... is that they are all lawyers and make their boodle by provoking just such a reaction, and then suing.
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Sgt Mom - perhaps someone should anonymously pay some bums to perform the Indigent Person's street theater version of The Invasion of Iwo Jima against them... sue the bums all they want.
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Freaking out someone in morning like this is almost like yelling fire in a movie theater. You are eventually going to push someone over the edge and I think the Westboro group will not find many juries sympathetic to their injuries.
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Is it just me are do these people resemble some kind of American Palestinians. They are vile, illogical, religious nuts, with terrorise verbally as well as with legal threats.
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The problem for them is, they eventually will push someone over the edge. And if that someone is like me but with less restraint, the Westboro person on the receiving end of a beating will not be alive to file suit.
And they are from Kansas. As the Outlaw Josey Wales said...
I always heard there were three kinds of suns in Kansas, sunshine, sunflowers and sons of bitches.
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These guys will get theirs; it's just a matter of time. I'd suspect the way it will happen is that the person they push over the edge comes to the Westboro group demo loaded for bear and starts shooting every one of those scumbags he can see. He'll probably off five or six before the police do him in.
Where the kicker will be is in the police response time. I have a sneaking suspicion that wherever this takes place, the police are going to be a bit more--oh, let's say, deliberate--in rushing to the scene to aid and protect.
I think that when Phelps and Co. lose five or six dead to an angry citizen, that will be the last of their show. The cost of their outrageous behavior will finally have been proven, even to them, to be too high.
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Part of their MO, Old Spook (as I have learned from reading various links from Rantburg about this disgusting bevy of parasites), is that someone from their group is always standing a little apart, videoing any interactions. They make their boodle from the lawsuits they file, after someone in the audience at their little improv provocations does 'go over the edge'. It would make their day, to have one of their number have the crap beaten out of them, or even killed. The suit would perhaps keep them in pocket change for a couple of years. Fortunatly, I think that everyone - the volunteers who turn out to protect the families at these funerals and counter-protest the Phelps, the various courts, municipalities, and law enforcement bodies have twigged this. It probably frustrates the Phelps whelps that no one does lay an actual hand on them at these little demonstrations of theirs. Standing about two feet away, drownding them out with songs, bagpipe bands and pouring scorn and derision on their disgusting asses is about the best way to counter them - as well as not giving them an opening for some more than usually clueless court to award them damages.
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I rather liked the occasion in I think it was NYC where the mounted cops protected the Westboro scum by forming a line in front of them ... with the horse heads pointed away from the Phelpsers.
Listen, as one of those "radical fundamentalist/evangelical" Christians, I agree with Phred's assessment of the state of our nation today (morally). But, I would NEVER even think about, much less seriously consider, doing "protests" like this. Someone seriously needs to do some planning, and take out the video crews first. Then, "do as you will" with the rest of the Westboro sickos.
By the way...I like my "new" screename (Snakes Jiper2875). Guess I've been gone too long.
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Be good to find lawyers to do a legal "Waco" on them.
A multi-volume chronology and reference guide set detailing three years of the Mexican Drug War between 2010 and 2012.
Rantburg.com and borderlandbeat.com correspondent and author Chris Covert presents his first non-fiction work detailing
the drug and gang related violence in Mexico.
Chris gives us Mexican press dispatches of drug and gang war violence
over three years, presented in a multi volume set intended to chronicle the death, violence and mayhem which has
dominated Mexico for six years.
Rantburg was assembled from recycled algorithms in the United States of America. No
trees were destroyed in the production of this weblog. We did hurt some, though. Sorry.
The US embassy in Serbia has begun pulling out non-essential staff following the storming of the building on Thursday. A convoy of around 40 cars carrying American staff and family members has now left Belgrade. They are expected to remain abroad for up to 10 days, the US embassy said. "We are not sufficiently confident that they are safe here," said US Ambassador Cameron Munter. The embassy also offered private US citizens the chance to join the convoy to Croatia.
WASHINGTON (AP) Ralph Nader says he is running for president. He made the announcement on Sundays Meet the Press.
