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-Lurid Crime Tales-
Today's Idiots
Woman drives for more than a mile as boyfriend clings to car roof

HAVERSTRAW, N.Y. - A man fighting with his girlfriend clung to a car roof and punched her through the window as she drove more than a mile on a busy road, hitting several other cars, police said. Both were hurt in the brawl Saturday and were arrested, police Sgt. Manfredo Figueroa said.

The man, William Kremer, apparently jumped onto the car and held on as girlfriend Stacey Sperrazza wove along Route 202 with the car’s air bag inflated, police said. She eventually stopped the car and hit him with it, police said.

Sperrazza, 37, of Stony Point, was arrested on a felony charge of reckless endangerment. Kremer, 42, of Haverstraw, was arrested on a misdemeanor assault charge. No telephone numbers could be found for the two. Police had no immediate information early Sunday on whether they had lawyers. He was treated for a foot injury, she for eye and head wounds, police said.
In the face of such an account, I can only quote the Bard (Hamlet Act 2, scene 2, 303–312):

Hamlet:
What a piece of work is a man, how noble in reason, how
infinite in faculties, in form and moving how express and
admirable, in action how like an angel, in apprehension how like
a god! the beauty of the world, the paragon of animals—and yet,
to me, what is this quintessence of dust? Man delights not me—
nor woman neither, though by your smiling you seem to say so.

Rosencrantz:
My lord, there was no such stuff in my thoughts.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 02/24/2008 10:19 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Aaarrghhh! Twice in one day. Sorry, Fred. Please move to "Local."
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 02/24/2008 10:29 Comments || Top||

#2  moved
Posted by: john frum || 02/24/2008 10:39 Comments || Top||

#3  Taming of the Shrew might have been more appropriate?
Posted by: Kofi Omavigum6823 || 02/24/2008 13:23 Comments || Top||

#4  Just trying out for the inevitable TJ Hooker movie no doubt.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 02/24/2008 15:24 Comments || Top||


Man Robbed of $150,000 in Front of New York City Starbucks
A gunman accosted a man carrying a duffel bag containing nearly $150,000 in broad daylight Friday next to a New York City Starbucks coffee shop, leaving his victim empty-handed and bloodied, WNBC.com reported.
Gee, that would have bought grand lattes for at least a third of the people in the place.
Seton Ijams, 50, had just withdrawn the money from a Chase Bank when the assailant approached him from behind, pistol-whipped him in the head and dragged him on the sidewalk as he clung to the bag, police said.

Police said the robber is between 25 and 30, was dressed in a black parka and black pants and is about 5 feet 9 inches tall, WNBC.com reported. Limousine driver Zafer Incekara, who witnessed the fight, said the gunman fired one shot at the victim before fleeing, but the bullet hit no one.
Is there any place left in NYC that is NOT next to a Starbuck's? Not as bad as Vancouver though. I read the other day that an explosion there had destroyed a Starbucks. I figured it must not have been a very big boom if it only wrecked one Starbucks.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 02/24/2008 01:18 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  For what reason might someone legitimately want to have $150k on their person? I can't think of one. Is someone out there more creative than I am about this?

And even if you do manage to come up with some legitimate reason, why not just rent an armored car or a couple of armed security guards to do the job for you?
Posted by: gorb || 02/24/2008 3:13 Comments || Top||

#2  I worked for an armored car company when I was in grad school back in the 80s. Most of our traffic was commercial stuff for banks and businesses but we would transport valuables for private citizens on an as-needed basis. The charge was as little as $100 at the time (depending on mileage), probably about twice that now.
One eccentric type had us come to his relatively modest home for the pickup. We were required to inspect the shipment before taking custody, for any number of obvious reasons. He had a 1000-ounce gold bar and a bag of 500 one ounce gold coins stashed in a crawlspace and had decided that it might be safer to keep it at a bank. At the time, this was $600K worth, well over a million now. We duly delivered the stuff to the bank, got a receipt from the vault manager, and were on our way in less than an hour.


Btw, a commenter on another board observed sagely that "banks don't usually have that kind of cash on hand, special arrangments have to be made for very large cash withdrawals."

I assure you that this is quite wrong, but I probably shouldn't say just how wrong.

An example: We arrived at a rural bank in Texas at the height of melon-picking season, a labor- intensive and time-critical process that required huge numbers of migrant workers. The bank had run out of cash and there was a farmer waiting to cash a check for $100,000 so he could pay the workers. We left their shipment of $420,000 and started toward our next stop, a branch of the same bank in a different town. Before we got there, barely an hour later, the original bank called and said they were out of cash again and asked us to make a pickup for them at the branch. We picked up a million-two for them and took it back, adding $200 to their bill for the extra trip.

It was amazing how accustomed I got to having a huge amount of currency around, like so many sacks of potatoes or apples but harder to damage. People aren't as likely to steal veggies though, hence our body armor, handguns, shotguns, etc.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 02/24/2008 3:35 Comments || Top||

#3  Shotguns? Body armor? How much do armored car guards make? Is anyone really going to take a bullet in the spine just to protect a banker's money?
Posted by: gromky || 02/24/2008 4:08 Comments || Top||

#4  Yes. Yes. Not enough. No
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 02/24/2008 4:13 Comments || Top||

#5  The crowd sat on their asses, sipping away, thinking mebbe this could be a reality TV episode being filmed. If it wasn't, they sure as hell weren't going to intervene. Besides, it was amusing to see this guy get walloped. Now where's the cops when you need them ? One might expect at least one to be hanging around Starbucks.
Posted by: Woozle Elmeter 2907 || 02/24/2008 7:58 Comments || Top||

#6  NYC's tough gun control laws certainly demonstrated their effectiveness once again. You Go Mayor, keep the options open for income redistribution!
Posted by: Procopius2k || 02/24/2008 8:40 Comments || Top||

#7  Starbuck's raise their prices?
Posted by: Cheadderhead || 02/24/2008 9:20 Comments || Top||

#8  Recently my Mom cashed in a 100 grand CD and wanted Cash, the bank didn't have it.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 02/24/2008 15:37 Comments || Top||

#9  And? And?
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 02/24/2008 16:34 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
Prince crippled by sexy dancing
Pop legend Prince
the artist formerly known as "the Artist Formerly Known as Prince",
is having a secret HIP REPLACEMENT at the age of just 49—after being crippled by years of sexy dancing.

The pint-sized US star would develop a severe limp and have to use a WALKING STICK without surgery. So he is booking himself into a private hospital. Aides are keeping his diary clear for two months to recover—but they're not letting on why he cannot work in that time. During the two-hour op . . . the Purple Rain singer will have the ball and socket of his damaged hip taken out and titanium replacements cemented in.
Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "tragically hip," don't it?
Posted by: Mike || 02/24/2008 13:07 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Between this an the Brother Bullethead story, I don't know why most people say the news is depressing. Reading this is like a tonic that leavens the spirit.
Posted by: regular joe || 02/24/2008 13:31 Comments || Top||

#2  Prince, if he desires to remain one of Jehovah's Witnesses, must resolve his faith on the 'Blood Issue' and not eating it (consuming; taking it into his system[see Lev. 17:11, 12, 14, & Acts 15:28, 29]), and relying on his firm faith in a resurrection should the risk present itself from the operation. Also he might consider, like Job, this test to his endurance of faith, is placed to help him overcome the snares and entanglements such a profession (such as erotic singing and dancing) will burden him with; in his hope for a better standing before Jehovah God, allbeit from this 'system of things' and what it have to offer.
Posted by: smn || 02/24/2008 19:05 Comments || Top||

#3  How does a hip wear down? I can see how it might break but its a bone, I just can't imagine it being replaced for anything short of actual breaks.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 02/24/2008 19:10 Comments || Top||

#4  Talk to my knees about that, rj.

Had an injury that was misdiagnosed about 10 years ago. By the time it was correctly diagnosed the cartilege in that knee had worn away/shredded, causing the ends of the bones to grind together and stretching the ligaments so that they don't hold the bones in the joint as well as they used to.

The bones develop spurs and growths and the joint no longer functions well -- and hurts. So I compensated in my posture, straining the knee and ankle on the other side.
Posted by: lotp || 02/24/2008 19:22 Comments || Top||

#5  Not to mention all the wild dancing and gyrating.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 02/24/2008 19:23 Comments || Top||

#6  Not to mention, indeed. ;-)
Posted by: lotp || 02/24/2008 20:04 Comments || Top||

#7  Prince is a brilliant composer and musician, damned first by grotesque lyrics, then by an all-consuming record label, and then by a stifling religion.

In a strange way, he is like Tom Hulce in Amadeus.

For all his faults, he won me over when that worthless bunch of political musicians insisted that he had to perform with them in "We Are The World", and he told them to go get knotted.

He has also mastered about every major instrument out there, keyboard, woodwind, brass, percussion, and string.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 02/24/2008 21:12 Comments || Top||

#8  I've gotta add: I'm a Prince fan - the man's talented
Posted by: Frank G || 02/24/2008 21:19 Comments || Top||

#9  Years of sexy dancing??? I admire and respect his work, and DIANE was a loyal self-proclaimed super-fan, but really the man has been a near-total recluse since 1990 and that THE ARTIST/MAN-FORMERLY-KNOWN-AS-PRINCE, MALE-FEMALE SIGN, CAREER AND MARKETING FIASCO. I am surprised he hasn't turned into MICHAEL "JANET/WHITE GIRL" JACKSON - BE GRATEFUL FOR THAT.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 02/24/2008 21:20 Comments || Top||


'Disinclination to cook not a ground for divorce'
A woman's disinclination to cook food cannot be considered as a valid reason for granting divorce, the Madurai Bench of Madras High Court has ruled. Dismissing an appeal filed by a Kanyakumari-based engineer, who had sought divorce from his wife, Justice G Rajasuriya said, "by no stretch of imagination, a wife's disinclination to cook could be a ground for divorce".

The engineer, who got married in 1999, submitted that his wife refused to cook as she feared handling knives and it amounted to physical and mental cruelty, a ground for divorce.

The judge said that though there was no harm if a husband expected his wife to cook food, it could not not be reason for granting divorce on the ground of physical or mental cruelty.

A principal sub-judge in Nagercoil had granted him divorce 2004, but a district judge reversed the order in 2006 on petition by the woman expressing wish to live with him. The engineer filed the present appeal against this order.

Judge Rajasuriya said that it was crystal clear that the ‘temperament’ of the husband towards the wife was not proper. "He started looking at wife as though she had psychiatric problem and that she deliberately avoided cooking. His attitude is the root cause of the matrimonial rift."

The engineer also contended that his wife was not cooperating in physical relations and her ‘repulsive and eccentric behaviour’ had affected the calm at his house. To this, the judge said that the husband has chosen to use ‘harsh terms’ against wife. "If the wife was not cooperative how she became pregnant and delivered a child within two years of marriage," the judge asked.
Posted by: john frum || 02/24/2008 08:42 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Logic! What a horrible way for a judge to decide a case.

It's nice to know they have JAPs in India too:

Q. What does a Jewish-American Princess make for dinner?
A. Reservations!
Posted by: Eric Jablow || 02/24/2008 10:14 Comments || Top||

#2  D *** NG IT, as a lover of DELI and assorted snacks CLEARLY THE MAN IS INNOCENT. DID HOMER SIMPSON TRULY HAVE "ALL HE CAN EAT"???
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 02/24/2008 21:43 Comments || Top||


B2 Black Box Recovered (humor)
What Really Happened To The B2, Spirit of Kansas

Some new information has come to light over the B2 crash. For those with short attention spans, the B2 was the stealth bomber that crashed in Guam. The Air Force tried to blame the incident on a collision with a Gooney Bird. However, control tower tapes that recorded the blasts (a small one at first, then a much larger one two minutes later) cast doubt on these claims. A whistle blower within the Air Force has leaked that the crew of the B2 was testing a new type of smart bomb when the accident occurred. It seemed very likely that the test didn't go quite as planned.

The pilots ejected safely before the B2 crashed, salvage crews were able to recover a 'Black Box' from the stealth bomber, which contained detailed accounts of the events leading up to the explosion. As luck would have it, we got a copy of those tapes.
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 02/24/2008 00:30 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  LOL
Posted by: Icerigger || 02/24/2008 19:01 Comments || Top||

#2  FARK.com Posters > USAF WOMEN PILOTS? including US Femme Purse hanging on In-Flight Flight Controls pic???

ON A SERIOUS NOTE, GUAM K57/MVARIETY > B-2 FLEET GROUNDED PENDING CRASH INVESTIGATION. Not too clear whether only B-2's on Guam, or entire USAF fleet.

And now you know, VIRGINIA, AGAIN, WHY THE B-52 IS STILL AROUND. CALL ME WEIRD BUT TWENTY-SONETHING B-2's DOTH NOT AN AIR FLEET MAKETH COMPARED TO SEVERAL 00 TO under-2000 B52's DURING THE COLD WAR.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 02/24/2008 21:11 Comments || Top||


Europe
Low rate of German-Turkish marriages impede integration
Many German Turks are pressured to marry only within their ethnic and religious group. But the practice of "importing" partners from Turkey creates new immigrants and stands in the way of integration. "Whether Turks are prepared to marry Germans depends a lot on the importance of religion," said Amparo Gonzalez-Ferrer, a comparative sociologist at the Juan March Institute in Madrid.

The vast majority of Turks are Muslims in a predominantly Christian culture that has become increasingly secular. "One reason why more [Turkish] men marry Germans is that Islam permits them and not women to marry non-Muslims," Gonzalez-Ferrer said.

According to the latest 2006 figures from the Federal Statistics Office, Turkish men accounted for 14 percent all foreigners that German women marry, followed by Italians and Americans. German men had different partner preferences. Poles topped the list by far, followed by Russians, Turks and Thai women in roughly equal numbers. Turkish women accounted for only 8 percent of all foreigners that German men marry.

Considering, however, that Turkish citizens make up 25 percent of all foreign residents in Germany -- not counting an additional one-third ethnic Turks who are German citizens -- intermarriage rates are in reality very low, said Dirk Halm, a political scientist at the Center for Turkish Studies in Essen.

According to Gonzalez-Ferrer, even well-educated Turkish women vastly prefer to marry ethnic Turks over Germans and go as far as importing husbands from Turkey. "This could be their strategy for living independently from the in-laws, who stay behind in Turkey" she said, adding that a German Turkish woman would also have the upper hand in a relationship with a migrant husband, who is unfamiliar with Germany.

But the practice of importing spouses creates a new generation of migrants continually. This becomes an integration problem, especially when Turkish men import much younger, uneducated brides, whose vulnerability sometimes makes them easy targets for domestic violence. That is one reason why Germany has recently upped the age limit to 18 for such unions, and now requires imported spouses to learn German before getting an entry visa.

One should, however, make a distinction between forced marriages, in which a woman's life could be at risk for defying the parental choice of a partner, and arranged marriages, which is a far more common practice.

"Turks are far more likely to seek parental approval in the choice of a partner than Germans are," said Yasemin Karakasoglu, a migration expert at the University of Bremen. "There is tremendous pressure for young women to be married by say 23, so worried parents start looking for potential suitors if they believe their daughter is 'over the hill'," she said.

Parental pressure in Turkish families, however, is not the only factor which impedes inter-ethnic marriages. Lale Akgun, a German-Turkish parliamentarian of the Social Democrat party, believes that some Germans too, feel uneasy about the prospect of a Turkish in-law. "We need more dialogue between Turks and Germans, so that young people can feel free to make their own partner choices, without letting a person's ethnicity to get in the way," Akgun said.
Posted by: ryuge || 02/24/2008 09:14 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It's not ethnicity that's in the way - it's religion. Good night, Europe.
Posted by: gromky || 02/24/2008 9:46 Comments || Top||

#2  The Turks came in as guest workers initially, not as immigrants. How they ended up as second class citizens in Germany is their own shame and a chapter in the ongoing questions regarding Islam and intentions and violence and laziness.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 02/24/2008 12:23 Comments || Top||

#3  How so, rjschwarz? German laws prohibitted Turkish 'guest workers' from becoming citizens, owning businesses etc for a long time. Hard to see that as laziness on the Turks' part.
Posted by: lotp || 02/24/2008 12:32 Comments || Top||

#4  Guest workers are supposed to come, work for a while, and then GO BACK HOME. Every country on the face of the Earth has such a program, or at least in my experience.
Posted by: gromky || 02/24/2008 14:00 Comments || Top||

#5  Thank you Gromsky. The first generation of Turks were not a problem at all. When the wall came down and the East Germans were virtually unemployable some effort should have been made to end the guest worker concept. That was a generation ago and I hate to say it but the youngest generation of Muslims seems ot have a problem with the West.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 02/24/2008 15:26 Comments || Top||

#6  The answer to this is just incredibly simple: ban Islam. No mosques, no muezzins, no halal slaughterhouses, no concessions to Muzzies' mores whatsoever. Just state that Muslims cannot practice their religion in Germany, under pain of immediate deportation to country of ethnic origin.

When the Left asks why, point them at the Magic Kingdom and tell them that when the spiritual home of Islam starts allowing people of other faiths to worship freely, the matter can be revisited. Until that time, Islam is banned. Be adamant about the prohibition, enough so that both friends and enemies have absolutely no doubt about its continued enforcement.

Then stand back and watch the rush for the exits.
Posted by: Jomosing Bluetooth8431 || 02/24/2008 16:14 Comments || Top||

#7  Guest workers are supposed to come, work for a while, and then GO BACK HOME.

But that is not what the Germans asked for or incented.

They specifically leaned on 'guest workers' to fill jobs in a workforce persistently hollowed out by a population too comfortable to have and raise kids.

The Turks didn't demand that Germany keep them for 3 and 4 generations - the Germans were quite cozy with the setup and kept stringing the Turks along with the promise that eventually Turkey would join the EU and the Turks in Germany could become citizens.
Posted by: lotp || 02/24/2008 16:22 Comments || Top||

#8  '' The Turks didn't demand that Germany keep them for 3 and 4 generations - the Germans were quite cozy with the setup and kept stringing the Turks along with the promise that eventually Turkey would join the EU and the Turks in Germany could become citizens''
Never read such a nonsense before!!. Neither Germany nor France nor most others EU countries want Turkey to join the EU AND the door is still WIDE open for them to leave, if they don't like it here.
Posted by: SGL || 02/24/2008 19:03 Comments || Top||

#9  It may seem like nonsense, but that is exactly what Germany's attitude re: both the guest workers and at least officially re: Turkey and the EU was in the 1990s.

(Mr. Lotp's family are, on one side, Germans living mostly in Germany. We get frank opinions from them from time to time on issues like this.)

Some things have changed since the 1990s however. First, unification with eastern Germany flooded the job market with workers, reducing the perceived need for Turkish guest workers. And then the rise of an Islamic party taking power in Turkey, along with 9/11, changed the perceived risk of Turkey entering the EU.

Nevertheless, Turkey became an official candidate for EU membership in 1998 or so and that's still their official status.
Posted by: lotp || 02/24/2008 19:15 Comments || Top||

#10  Whether or not Germany wants Turkey in the EU is beside the point that they have strung their Turkish guest workers along for generations. They didn't assimilate them and they didn't force them to return. So now they amount to an invasion force from within. And the Germans are defenceless against an enemy they themselves have created. In my opinion, it couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of folks, except the French. But they've created their own version in the banlieus. A pox on both their houses.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 02/24/2008 19:22 Comments || Top||

#11  >>Some things have changed since the 1990s however. First, unification with eastern Germany flooded the job market with workers, reducing the perceived need for Turkish guest workers. And then the rise of an Islamic party taking power in Turkey, along with 9/11, changed the perceived risk of Turkey entering the EU.>>

Some valid points here BUT I'm just a bit tired about these eternal lefty rants, that an immigration country should give up/adjust its values to ideologies from the dark ages.
WE WON`T DO THIS.
Apart from this, there are plenty of positive examples of migrants who have successfully integrated in Germany. Some of them are even in an engaged fight for religious freedom (free choice of religion- not quite a Muslim stronghold.. hm), women rights( ever heard about forced Muslim marriages or bride killings??) etc. There are others, who have become pretty successful and wealthy businessmen/women. The chances are there, but you have to get of your a**s instead of just relying on payments of the nanny welfare state.
Posted by: SGL || 02/24/2008 19:50 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Warping Obama’s view of the world
Here's a unnerving tidbit from an article about Samantha Power, a senior foreign policy adviser to Barack Obama, in the Sunday Times:
Hitherto, the principal conduit between Britain and the candidate has been Lord Malloch-Brown, the junior foreign minister, whom Obama came to admire when he was deputy secretary-general of the United Nations. “He was really taken with him,” says Power, in what will undoubtedly be viewed by American conservatives as a desperately bad sign. “It’s a relationship that has persisted and they have talked a number of times since.”
Posted by: ryuge || 02/24/2008 02:04 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Power wrote an award winning book on genocide, and she likes Obama. I smell "reparations." That issue is sandbaggable.
Posted by: McZoid || 02/24/2008 6:36 Comments || Top||

#2  If Obama-Rama admires the f**king commie Malloch-Brown, that's all we need to know about B. Hussein and his foreign policy.
Posted by: Woozle Elmeter 2907 || 02/24/2008 8:03 Comments || Top||

#3  she could have a great deal of power and dominion over the rest of us.

For some reason, that doesn't appeal to me.

Does anyone have any insulin? I just read the whole article and that was WAAAY to much sugar before breakfast.
Posted by: SteveS || 02/24/2008 8:33 Comments || Top||

#4  Obama has any non-"internationalist" advisors?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 02/24/2008 8:55 Comments || Top||

#5  Seriously, this woman worries me. This is what she had to say recently about how she'd advise "the President" on the Israel-Palestine issue:

"Putting something on the line might mean alienating a domestic constituency of tremendous political and financial import; it may more crucially mean sacrificing -- or investing, I think, more than sacrificing -- billions of dollars, not in servicing Israel's military, but actually investing in the new state of Palestine, in investing the billions of dollars it would probably take, also, to support what will have to be a mammoth protection force, not of the old Rwanda kind, but a meaningful military presence."
Posted by: Clem Sheck9754 || 02/24/2008 10:05 Comments || Top||

#6  billions of dollars, not in servicing Israel's military, but actually investing in the new state of Palestine,

Um, Samantha? How many billions have been thrown at the Paleos to date? Have you considered that return on investment concept at any point?
Posted by: Raj || 02/24/2008 10:09 Comments || Top||

#7  To be honest the US should wash our hands of Israel and her neighbors. Allow free trade but otherwise stop with the military and economic handouts. In such as scenario Israel which actually has things to trade would come out far ahead.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 02/24/2008 12:27 Comments || Top||

#8  support what will have to be a mammoth protection force, not of the old Rwanda kind, but a meaningful military presence."

And exactly who will this massive force be protecting and from whom?
Posted by: phil_b || 02/24/2008 13:17 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Faisal Saleh wins big in Jhang
Makhdoom Syed Faisal Saleh Hayat has won for a record sixth time from NA-88 (Jhang-III) in the February 18 elections. According to a press release, he has defeated Begum Abida Hussain, his rival in 2008, for a record fourth time. He has always succeeded “due to his attachment with religion”, he says. He enjoys the prayers of thousands of his followers who regard him as the custodian of the Shrine, Hazrat Shah Jewna, says the handout. The press release states that he takes a keen interest in developing his area and has “helped hundreds of educated youth of the area in getting jobs”.

He shares in the joys and sorrows of his constituents, he claims, and this is why the people continue to reward him at the polls.
Posted by: Fred || 02/24/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:


Home Front: Culture Wars
Muslims want University classes to fit prayer times
MUSLIM university students want lectures to be rescheduled to fit in with prayer timetables and separate male and female eating and recreational areas established on Australian campuses.

International Muslim students, predominantly from Saudi Arabia, have asked universities in Melbourne to change class times so they can attend congregational prayers. They also want a female-only area for Muslim students to eat and relax.

But at least one institution has rejected their demands, arguing that the university is secular and it does not want to set a precedent for requests granted in the name of religious beliefs.

La Trobe University International chief officer John Molony said several students had approached the Bundoora institution about rearranging class times to fit in with daily prayers.

Mr Molony said the university was attempting to "meet the needs" of an increasing number of Muslim international students, including doubling the size of the prayer room on campus.

La Trobe University International College director Martin Van Run said that although it was involved in discussions with the Muslim students who had made the requests, the university was not planning to change any timetables.

"That would seriously inconvenience other people at the college and it is not institutionally viable," he told The Australian. "We are a secular institution ... and we need to have a structured timetable."

Mr Van Run said that Saudi students were fully aware that the university was secular before coming to study there. "They know well in advance the class times," he said.

A spokesman for RMIT University would neither confirm nor deny reports that Muslim students had requested timetable changes.

One university source told The Australian that the requests by Muslim international students for timetable changes included a petition.

"Some of the students would prefer that lecture times were organised so it would be easy for them to attend prayers," he said. "But it wouldn't be a good precedent to set."

Islamic leaders yesterday backed the push by Muslim students to have their lectures arranged to accommodate prayer sessions, but said such a move would be essential only for congregational Friday prayers.

Female Muslim leader Aziza Abdel-Halim said yesterday it was a religious duty for those who followed Islam to preach with their fellow believers on Fridays.

But the former senior member of John Howard's Muslim reference board said there was nothing in Islam that indicated men and women be segregated when it came to educational activities.

"There's nothing in Islam that says there should be complete segregation, especially in educational institutions," said Sister Abdel-Halim.

She said afternoon prayers for Muslims - Zhohor, at 1.10pm, and Asr, at 4.50pm - could be performed until 10 minutes before the following daily prayer, so it was more appropriate to alter prayer times than lecture schedules.

"It's reasonable to ask for the lectures to be shifted around on Friday," Sister Abdel-Halim said. "But if it's going to cause havoc with the timetable, I don't think it's really feasible to ask for every single prayer to be catered for."
Posted by: Sherry || 02/24/2008 16:18 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  what part of assimilating don't they get, geez.
Posted by: Jan || 02/24/2008 18:53 Comments || Top||

#2  Generally you get to pick your class times. It can't be too difficult for someone with a brain to work their way around their prayer times. I believe this is more about forcing their way upon others.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 02/24/2008 19:09 Comments || Top||

#3  Every part, Jan.
Posted by: Clem Sheck9754 || 02/24/2008 19:30 Comments || Top||

#4  It isn't about prayer times. Its about forcing everyone else to bend to your schedule. To prove the 'superiority' of the Muslims over the Infidels - so that the Infidel students have to accommodate their schedules to the dictates of the Muslims - and thus feel inferior.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 02/24/2008 20:02 Comments || Top||

#5  This reminds me of some local people who bought houses next to a small private airport and then complained to the newspapers about the noise and tried to get the airport shut down. Or perhaps more-appropriately the Paleos who are perplexed that the Jews maintain a claim to Israel that predates the Koran by a thousand years and then some. "Yield to us, infidels!"

Posted by: Darrell || 02/24/2008 20:44 Comments || Top||

#6  It's pretty simple to me. If you want classes that fit islamic requirements then return to whatever ME sh*thole you crawled out have a nice life.
Posted by: anymouse || 02/24/2008 22:18 Comments || Top||


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Simple treatment limits bleeding stroke damage
Aggressively lowering blood pressure in the early hours of a bleeding stroke can limit its severity, a preliminary study found, giving hope of a major advance for treating this often-fatal problem.
Doh! Why didn't someone think of that before?
These strokes happen when a vessel in the head bursts or leaks, flooding brain tissue with blood and damaging areas that control walking, talking and other functions. More than 100,000 occur each year in the United States — a million worldwide — and half prove fatal.

"It is a major public health problem," said Dr. Philip Gorelick, neurology chief at the University of Illinois in Chicago and chairman of the International Stroke Conference, where the new study was reported on Friday.

Doctors know that high blood pressure raises the risk of these strokes, but it isn't known if it's safe to rapidly lower it right after one occurs.

The study tested this in 404 stroke patients in Asia and Australia. Half were given usual care — intravenous drugs to lower systolic blood pressure (the big number, or top reading) to 180; the rest had their blood pressure lowered to 140. Normal is 120. Additional bleeding was about one-third less in the more aggressively treated patients, and the treatment proved safe with no major side effects, said Dr. Craig Anderson of the University of Sydney in Australia, who led the research.

The finding needs to be confirmed in a larger study, but emergency doctors "will probably grab on it," said Dr. Larry Goldstein, director of Duke University Medical Center's stroke center.

The Australian government's health agency paid for the study and will fund one with 2,500 patients starting later this year.

Also at the conference, doctors got mixed news from tests of two treatments for the more common type of stroke — caused by a clot in a blood vessel supplying the brain. One of the biggest challenges is finding something to help the vast majority of patients who seek help beyond the three-hour window when the clot-busting drug TPA is known to be effective.

Some late-arrivers still have areas of brain tissue that are threatened but might be saved. Researchers in Australia, Belgium, New Zealand and Scotland used imaging tests to identify 101 such patients and gave roughly half of them TPA about five hours after symptoms started. The main goal — reducing the area of the brain left damaged — was not met. But there were signs that the treatment helped restore the air and blood supply, which should translate to better outcomes for patients when tested in a larger study, research leaders said.

"The trends are going in the right direction; they just haven't proved it," Goldstein said.

A larger study testing TPA beyond three hours is to report results later this year.

TPA is marketed in North America by Genentech as Activase, and by Boehringer Ingelheim in other countries as Actilyse.

A different treatment for people too late for TPA — a mini-vacuum device to suck out clots — opened blood vessels in 82 percent of the 125 patients given the treatment, other doctors reported. However, 11 percent developed major bleeding in the brain, and another 17 percent had lesser bleeding. In two cases, doctors punctured the blood vessel while trying to suction out the clot. In a third case, another brain bleed developed in a different area.

With TPA, about 6 percent of patients develop bleeding in the brain, and half of those patients die, Gorelick said.

About one-third of patients in the study died — an acceptable result considering how serious these strokes are, he said. Only 42 percent of those whose vessels were reopened had substantial improvement a month later — "and that's the issue," rather than how often the clot can be pulled out, he said.

The device, made by California-based Penumbra Inc., was approved in December by the federal Food and Drug Administration, which requires less proof of effectiveness for devices than for novel drugs, Gorelick and Goldstein said. The study had no comparison group and was sponsored by the company, they noted. The doctor who presented results — neurosurgeon Cameron McDougall of Barrow Neurological Institute in Phoenix — said he had no control over its design.
Posted by: gorb || 02/24/2008 02:27 || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This seems intuitive. When I had my ICH, my BP peaked at 280/170. My doctor's were very aggressive about bringing and keeping it down. Outcome: 1 shunt and 9 days in a coma, a few months inf rehab, and now (5 years later) a full recovery with BP controlled to 110/75.
Posted by: Blew a head gasket || 02/24/2008 8:58 Comments || Top||

#2  A few years ago, we were told (by the people who set protocols) to transport apparent stroke patients non-emergency (I'm an EMT) - the thinking seemed to be that a little extra time in transport wouldn't didn't make any difference to the outcome. I realize they were trying to limit the number of "hot" runs, since lights & sirens seems to increase the chances for accidents. But we complained loudly, as did the paramedics (whose opinion counted a lot more). It was obvious to us in the field that the quicker we got a probable stroke patient to the hospital for definitive care, the better for the patient.

That's been changed now (more likely by the research than by our complaints); we transport a stroke patient the same as a heart attack patient, and I think that helps the patient's outlook for a recovery. We also have hospitals in the area that are designated stroke hospitals which have all the extra stuff and training needed to help stop and even reverse stroke damage as much as possible in the patient.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 02/24/2008 9:39 Comments || Top||

#3  I wonder if they considered making the BP artificially low. That is, with normal being 120, what if they slammed it down to 100 or less?
Posted by: Anonymoose || 02/24/2008 21:16 Comments || Top||

#4  HMMMMMM, [late] May 2008 - one year after the death of a close friend, ala GUAM TAOTAMONAS + NOSTRADAMUS. EVEN IFF RECOVERY, MAGNETO LOSES HIS MEMORY, etc???
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 02/24/2008 21:37 Comments || Top||



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