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Hamas gov't calls for halt to fighting
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Afghanistan
Dozen Talibs Titzup
(KUNA) -- At least a dozen Taliban fighters have been killed while seven coalition and two Afghan soldiers suffered injuries in clashes in southern Afghanistan, military officials said on Saturday. The fighting took place in Kandahar and Zabul provinces, both hotbed for insurgency and strongholds of the ousted Taliban militia. Coaltion forces' spokesperson in Kandahar Captain Julie Roberge said five Taliban insurgents were killed in a clash in the Shajoy district of Zabul province. During the clash, five coalition soldiers suffered injuries, said the spokesperson. In another clash in the Panjwai district of the neighbouring Kandahar, she said five more armed fighters were gunned down by their forces.

In the exchange of fire, two coalition and two Afghan army soldiers sustained injuries. Confirming the overnight fighting in the area, police chief of Zabul province said two more Taliban were killed by their forces in the same district. But the student militia rejected the claims made by Afghan and coalition forces. Purported spokesman Yousuf Ahmadi said none of their fighters was killed. Instead, he said they had inflicted heavy losses on coalition in Shajoy. The southern provinces are scene to sporadic clashes between Taliban and coalition and Afghan forces since the fall of summer this year. A day earlier, Taliban had claimed they were in control of two districts of the neighbouring Helmand province. However, their claim was rejected by the provincial officials as well as the Interior Ministry in Kabul. Both Taliban and Afghan forces lodge claims regarding inflicting casualties on their opponents in fighting and clashes in the troubled parts of Afghanistan.
"Yeah, sure. We killed 'em all. There's none left. We're in control of the place, y'know?"
Posted by: Fred || 07/09/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [3298 views] Top|| File under:

#1  A graphic you may want to modify and use for these Titzup stories. Or if you merely wish to make a point. Or two.

I do appreciate how you manage to get this sort of story right beneath the morning edition, lol.
Posted by: Snetch Angeresing1029 || 07/09/2006 1:40 Comments || Top||

#2  the student militia?? No bias here

nice kids. kill. them. twice each
Posted by: Frank G || 07/09/2006 9:52 Comments || Top||

#3  So they are down to students now?
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 07/09/2006 12:04 Comments || Top||

#4  But everyone knows you can't defeat insurgencies by killing the insurgents. If this keeps up yet another stupid shibboleth will face an imminent threat of refutation.
Posted by: Verlaine in Iraq || 07/09/2006 15:41 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Seven held on security charges escape Saudi jail
Six Saudis and a Yemeni held in Saudi Arabia on security charges have escaped a detention centre in the capital Riyadh. “Seven detainees at Malaz prison in Riyadh, held in connection with security cases, were able to leave the detention centre,” SPA quoted an Interior Ministry statement as saying. It did not say when or how they had escaped. “They were in Malaz prison and under investigation. Somehow they left the prison, they ran away,” an Interior Ministry spokesman told Reuters.
"We dunno how they got out. We looked around us and — thffft! — they wuz gone!"
He said the men were not on any lists of suspected militants wanted by authorities and had not taken part in militant attacks or clashes with police. A government security adviser said the men had no proven links to Al Qaeda militants, who are normally held at a high security prison outside Riyadh. “Since they violated regulations, their cases will be withdrawn from the investigating committee and public prosecution and their trial procedures will be halted,” the Interior Ministry statement said. “If they do not return to the detention centre, they will not be eligible for the amnesty granted by the king and will become wanted by security forces,” it added.
He'll have to issue another amnesty to cover them...
Posted by: Fred || 07/09/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [264 views] Top|| File under:

#1  They 'em surrounded with a fence this time and they still got away.
Posted by: GK || 07/09/2006 0:36 Comments || Top||

#2  yep, them Saudis are our allies
Posted by: Frank G || 07/09/2006 1:05 Comments || Top||

#3  Somehow they left the prison, they ran away,” an Interior Ministry spokesman told Reuters.

Flying prayer rugs?
Posted by: Besoeker || 07/09/2006 1:43 Comments || Top||

#4  Instant earworm, Fred!

Where, oh where, are you tonight
Why did you leave me here all alone
I searched the world over and thought I found true love
But you met another and PFFT you wuz gone...


-Buck Owens (PFFT You Were Gone)
Posted by: Snetch Angeresing1029 || 07/09/2006 1:51 Comments || Top||

#5  I recall a case where Saudi police had terrorists surrounded, and then let them slip away. No wonder half of their F16s are grounded at any one time.
Posted by: Anginens Threreng8133 || 07/09/2006 7:05 Comments || Top||

#6  Anginens Threreng8133 -

The Saudis don't have -16s - they fly the F-15S, a software-crippled version of the Eagle, along with a variant of the Strike Eagle. On the other hand, their airworthiness is superb, mainly because they have former USAF and USN maintenance people there on contract doing the heavy lifting.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 07/09/2006 10:20 Comments || Top||


19 Al Qaida suspects acquited for lack of evidence
A Yemeni court acquitted 19 men charged with plotting to blow up a hotel frequented by Americans, ruling on Saturday that there were not enough proofs to sentence the alleged al-Qaida members. The defendants, 14 from Yemen and five from neighboring Saudi Arabia, were accused of having formed a gang to assassinate American and Westerners in Yemen, and of having joined the Jihad, or holy war, against the US-led coalition in Iraq.
But there's not enough evidence to convict them of that, either, even if it's a crime...
Posted by: Fred || 07/09/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [285 views] Top|| File under:


Britain
UK plotter linked to Tel Aviv blasts
THE suspected ringleader of the July 7 attacks in London last year was linked to two other British suicide bombers, one of whom blew himself up outside an Israeli bar in 2003, The Sunday Times has reported. The newspaper quoted Kursheed Fiaz, a businessman who runs an information technology company in Manchester, northwest England, as saying he had four or five meetings with Mohammed Sidique Khan from 2001. He said Khan was initially accompanied by Omar Khan Sharif and later by Asif Mohammed Hanif and the men wanted to indoctrinate young Muslims and take them to Pakistan, Syria and Afghanistan for training. Hanif, 21, blew himself up and killed three other people at a busy seafront pub in Tel Aviv in 2003. The body of Sharif, 27, was later found in the sea. He is believed to have fled after failing to set off his own device.
Whereupon Hamas bumped him off. Failure wasn't an option.
Fiaz's account features in a BBC television programme "Britain's First Suicide Bombers" to be broacast on Tuesday, according to The Sunday Times, which said he had not been interviewed by police. In the programme, Fiaz, 46, is said to recount how Khan came to his office seeking to spread "Dawa", a form of evangelical preaching of Islam. Khan, who had secured a position as a primary school teaching assistant in his home town of Leeds, northern England, reportedly asked whether any of Fiaz's staff wanted to learn about Islam. "We need to teach them certain things," Khan is alleged to have said, without elaborating.
"What sort of things?"
"Certain things."
Fiaz reportedly told the programme that his nephews and some other young men who took up the offer became suspicious when Khan and his friends talked about taking them abroad "to enhance the training".
"Really, you gotta see Pakistan. It's an Islamic wonderland!"
"They got training camps there?"
"No, no! Certainly not!"
"We got the impression they were looking for some gullible people. Youngsters... that would fall for whatever they were trying to preach or practise," he was quoted as saying.
"So, tell me: You got anybody stupid working here?"
The Sunday Times said Fiaz's account raises questions not only about the links between the three men, who all left video messages justifying their actions, but whether Khan was a co-conspirator in the Tel Aviv bombing.
Ummm... Lemme think. Yes.
It cited confirmation from Israeli police that he visited the country briefly two months before the attack. Fiaz said he did not contact police after the Tel Aviv bombings because both Sharif and Hanif were dead while he did not link Khan to them until after the July 7 attacks.
Posted by: tipper || 07/09/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [268 views] Top|| File under:


Great White North
Canadian linked to New York terrorism plot
A terrorist plot against New York involved at least one Canadian currently held in custody overseas, an FBI source knowledgeable about the investigation said Friday. The suspect is one of eight people — three of them in custody — who investigators allege were planning suicide attacks on heavily used commuter tunnels leading to southern Manhattan. Now it seems that the man pegged as ringleader of the alleged plot attended Concordia University in Montreal for several years in the mid-1990s, says a source familiar with the case.

Authorities had been monitoring the group for more than a year on websites popular with Islamic extremists and feared they would attack within months. A report about the alleged plot, and arrests that occurred in Beirut in April, were published Friday in a New York tabloid, which prompted officials to reveal that they headed off a possible strike on tunnels from New York to New Jersey. “Plotting for this attack had matured to a point where it appeared that the individuals were about to move forward,” Federal Bureau of Investigation assistant director Mark Mershon told a news conference. “They were about to go to a phase where they would attempt to surveil targets, establish a regimen of attack and acquire the resources necessary to effectuate the attacks. At that point, it's entirely appropriate to take it down.”

It was not clear Friday where the Canadian suspect now being held in an undisclosed foreign country fit into the picture. The alleged leader of the plot, Lebanese native Assem Hammoud, may have lived in Montreal at one point. In footage aired by CBC, his mother said he had visited there with a Canadian girlfriend. And sources told CTV that a Montreal man suspected of involvement in the plan was detained in Lebanon on April 6 and interrogated by the FBI. One counterterrorism expert who had been briefed on the plan, and who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to talk to the news media, told the New York Times: “These are bad guys in Canada and a bad guy in Lebanon talking, but it never advanced beyond that.”
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Posted by: Fred || 07/09/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [422 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Al-Aska Pauls dancin shoos?
Posted by: 6 || 07/09/2006 7:37 Comments || Top||

#2  I got mukluks of caribou hide with the fur out and moose bottoms. These look like moose hide, Indian style. Nice St. Patrick green beadwork.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 07/09/2006 22:46 Comments || Top||


Canada 17: More arrests may be in the pipeline
In the days after the arrest of 17 terrorism suspects and allegations that security services thwarted an attack on Canadian soil, a senior RCMP official told reporters: "We're not done yet."

Sources have told the Toronto Star that during the terrorism probe, underway for almost two years, a group much larger than that of the 17 men and youths was being monitored. But defence lawyers have argued that they believe the police net was already cast too wide with the June 2 arrests of five youths and 12 adults, part of what police say is a "home-grown" terrorism cell.

The question remains: Are more arrests connected to this group expected, and do police believe there's a strong likelihood of other alleged terrorist plots? "It's certainly not done," RCMP Assistant Commissioner Mike McDonell said when asked if others will be taken into custody.
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Posted by: Fred || 07/09/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [325 views] Top|| File under:


Home Front: WoT
NYC Plot: 'Real Deal' Or 'Bravado'?
See BS jumps in to pooh-pooh any danger...
Despite the FBI's announcement that it disrupted a terror plot against New York City-area commuter trains Friday, CBS News correspondent Jim Stewart has learned that the plans were mere "jihadist bravado," according to one senior official. Authorities said the plot by foreign terrorists to attack the train tunnels beneath the Hudson River used by thousands of New York commuters every day, had eight principal players, three in custody, including the mastermind, 31-year-old Lebanese national Assem Hammoud, the only one of the suspects currently charged in his home country. However, the senior official tells Stewart that the men arrested are "far less threatening and dangerous than the Canadian cell," and unlike the Torrance, Calif., cell, which had begun conducting holdups to further their terrorist plans, these individuals had done nothing but talk over the Internet.

The FBI disagreed. "This is a plot that involved martyrdom and explosives and certain of the tubes that connect Jersey and lower Manhattan," FBI Assistant Director Mark J. Mershon said during a news conference. He called the plot the "real deal."

"We believe we intercepted this group early in their plotting and, in fact, the plan has largely been disrupted," Mershon said. Initial reports said the terrorists wanted to attack the Holland Tunnel. But Mershon said the group specifically mentioned only the PATH train tunnels between New York and New Jersey.
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Posted by: Fred || 07/09/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [297 views] Top|| File under:

#1  U.S. conspiracy law requires the suspects to have taken a substantial step toward the commission of their crime. If these guys are tried in U.S. civilian courts, the gov't will have to come up with something more than just gum-flapping. One would think the G-men know that, and wouldn't make arrests until they had some good facts, but we'll see.

On the other hand, it takes a particularly creepy sort of freak to think that mass murder is something to brag about.
Posted by: Baba Tutu || 07/09/2006 0:31 Comments || Top||

#2  When once again, New York gets hit, there will be thousands and thousands of pages of written words of folks pooh-poohing these terrorists' attacks. But, they will continue do it.... and when it happens, they will blame Bush, forgetting their pooh-poohing. I can already write the above the fold headline and story of that attack from their templates. It's so easy.

The media won't stop..... Like Sulzberger of the NYT apologizing for what hadn't happened on the watch of his generation, in his graduating speech at some college... I apologize for Sulzberger and his peers... I apologize that there are still folks of my era that are still living in a forgotten era. How sad for them, that they can't come forward, and greet this new millennium.

Kinda reminds me of being at a wedding rehearsal dinner, ten years after the graduation of the bride and most of the guests. All toasts spoke of the days, of the years of the sorority, and nothing was of any importance except the years of the sorority. Seemed, there wasn't anything of value she and her friends had done since graduating college and the sorority. Life was still existing around the image that had been so carefully crafted.

I apologize for those of my age..... for still living in the world they so carefully crafted. Sadly for them, it isn't working this time. Lots of us aren't pooh-poohing these terrorists' threats, we are taking them seriously.

There will be a day, when we of the fly-over world will be recognized. I volunteer to appear before the next ??? (date to be determined) Commission to bring forth a stake of newspapers, with the written words, pooh-poohing these jihadist brav
Posted by: Sherry || 07/09/2006 1:07 Comments || Top||

#3  oppps -- there is an o at the end above "bravado" that didn't get copied! It's that "age" thingy.
Posted by: Sherry || 07/09/2006 1:11 Comments || Top||

#4  Wow, what a relief! Thanks for clearing that up for me, Jim Stewart. We all know how those wacky jihadis can be full of "bravado". What playful scamps!

"senior official" agrees with Mikey
Posted by: Kirk || 07/09/2006 4:35 Comments || Top||

#5  One would think the G-men know that, and wouldn't make arrests until they had some good facts, but we'll see.

The NY Daily News broke the story prematurely. The Feds weren't done building the case -- but they are now, because everyone else in the group is now alerted to the investigation.
Posted by: lotp || 07/09/2006 6:44 Comments || Top||

#6  C'mon! The Canadians waited for the terrorists to buy explosives. Just because police pre-empted similar conduct doesn't means the NYC Muslims should be less culpable. By the way, I support mandatory execution for all aspects of terror, from advocacy to perpetration. Would that include CAIR leadership, who promote suicide murders in Israel? Hang 'em high!
Posted by: Anginens Threreng8133 || 07/09/2006 7:00 Comments || Top||

#7  Hmm...here's a test. Those who are poo-pooing this, get an airliner ticket. Board. Then start talking about the imagined bomb you have. I'm sure you'll get a response. Would the authorities be over reacting? Or have we learned from events, that there are somethings you just don't do.
Posted by: Gleresh Whomort8073 || 07/09/2006 9:08 Comments || Top||


The new 'Prince' of terrorism
HE was told not to grow a beard, wear Islamic clothing or show any sign of religious devotion. During his recruitment as a soldier in the global jihad, Assem Hammoud was told to act like a typical young, secular Lebanese man and warned not to attract attention, a senior Lebanese security official said. Hammoud was an ideal recruit because he did not have any apparent ties to militants. "He had no criminal history, and no history of involvement with militant groups," said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. "He was living a normal life, far from any suspicion."

Hammoud, 31, was allegedly the mastermind behind a suicide bombing plot to blow up railway tunnels under the Hudson River in New York. The plan was foiled in April, after months of investigation, with Hammoud's arrest in Beirut. The planned attack, details of which were released yesterday by New York officials, was intended to flood the subway and kill commuters.

Hammoud became involved with militant Islamic websites in 2003, soon after the US invaded Iraq. "He was angry with what America was doing in Iraq, and he began spending time on these Islamic sites and chat rooms," said the official, who was familiar with Hammoud's interrogations. "He became more and more deeply involved. He sank into this extremist environment."
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#1  mutt
Posted by: RD || 07/09/2006 1:00 Comments || Top||

#2  Emir Andalusi = Commander of Spain = Delusional Jackass

Posted by: john || 07/09/2006 21:38 Comments || Top||


Jordanian sentenced in US for lying to FBI
A Jordanian man who aroused suspicion by visiting extremist Web sites and looking up bomb-making information in a public library was sentenced to a year in prison for lying to FBI investigators, federal authorities said. Mohammad Radwan Obeid, 34, will get credit for time served for eight months he has spent in federal custody and will be deported in November, according to sentencing guidelines issued by US District Court Judge Thomas Rose on Friday.

The case began in March 2005 when a librarian in Troy, Ohio, became concerned about Obeid's visits to jihadist Web sites and e-mails about nuclear bombs and other weapons, said James Turgal, supervisory FBI special agent for the Cincinnati-based joint terrorism task force. The librarian called the FBI, and a Norfolk, Virginia, police officer, David Vazquez, also reported to the FBI seeing threatening and inflammatory online postings and e-mails from Obeid. Vazquez testified that Obeid told him in an e-mail he wanted to start an operation that would be bigger than the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Obeid sent numerous e-mails to different individuals, but denied sending them when questioned by the FBI, Turgal said. The FBI searched the library's computer and Obeid's personal computer before he was charged, he said. Obeid's attorneys challenged authorities' interpretations of his e-mails and contended he was conducting research for a book on terrorism and world religions. Immigration officials said they believe Obeid entered the United States through marriage fraud. He married an American woman in Jordan and came to the United States in 2001, according to court papers. The marriage was annulled five months later.
Posted by: Fred || 07/09/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [405 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "The case began in March 2005 when a librarian in Troy, Ohio, became concerned about Obeid's visits to jihadist Web sites and e-mails about nuclear bombs and other weapons... The librarian called the FBI"

I bet the Librarian Union is going to be real upset.
Posted by: Fordesque || 07/09/2006 22:48 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
LJ Militants held over Shandur festival bomb plot
CHITRAL: Six members of the banned Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LJ) militant organisation have been arrested for "planning attacks" against the Shandur polo festival, where President General Pervez Musharraf and western diplomats were expected to watch the final match tomorrow (Sunday), official sources said on Saturday.

They said that that the men were arrested at Shandur town, bordering Chitral and Gilgit districts, on Thursday, a day before the opening of the three-day festival, which is played at an altitude of 12,300 feet in the foothills of the Hindu Kush Mountains. "We suspect they were planning attacks on (the) closing day of the festival when VVIPs are expected," sources said, adding that they did not believe a sectarian motive was behind the planned attacks. "LJ's deputy leader Mohammad Shakir is among six arrested militants," sources told Daily Times on condition of anonymity. "The militants were planning sabotage attacks during the polo festival."
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Explosion, rocket attacks in SE Pak kill soldier
(KUNA) -- A soldier was killed and two others were wounded on Saturday, while three power towers were damaged in Southwestern Baluchistan province in different bombings and rocket attacks, said Levies sources. Unknown militants fired several rockets on a security vehicle while on patrol in the gas-rich Sui district, about 300 kilometers east of the provincial capital of Quetta, sources told KUNA. They said the attack left one soldier dead and wounded two others. Sources added that the vehicle was badly damaged in the attack.

In another incident, militants damaged three 11000 KV power towers in the same area, suspending electricity supply to Sui and its adjoining areas, sources said. They said the repair work is expected to be completed within next 24 hours.
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Five killed, 32 injured in grenade attack in Kashmir
(KUNA) -- At least five people were killed and 32 injured in Indian-administered Jammu and Kashmir Saturday when gunmen lobbed a grenade at a former Kashmir minister Sakina Itoo as she was coming out of a shrine. Police said the attack on the Member of Jammu and Kashmir Legislative Assemly of National Conference party and former tourism minister took place in Kulgam town in the state, Saturday afternoon. Itoo and 30 others were injured in the attack, news agency Indo-Asian News Service reported. One person was killed on the spot while four, including former National Conference Member of Legislative Assembly Gulam Nabi Dar, succumbed to their injuries later. All the others killed were civilians.

An army helicopter was rushed to Kulgam to bring Itoo to Srinagar, the summer capital of Indian administered Jammu and Kashmir, the news agency reported. Guerrillas have attacked Itoo more than a dozen times in her home constituency of Kulgam during the last four years.
Posted by: Fred || 07/09/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [266 views] Top|| File under:


Iraq
Iraqi Army Rounds Up 70 Suspects
The Iraqi Army said yesterday it had detained 70 suspected insurgents and freed 10 hostages in an operation launched five days ago in Muqadiyah in Diyala province, northeast of Baghdad. “Iraqi soldiers, supported by multinational forces, have succeeded over the past five days in capturing 70 wanted individuals,” Gen. Rahman Al-Janabi of the Iraq Army’s 5th division told reporters. “The objective is to clean up the area of insurgents.” He also said that 10 hostages held by militants were freed and that “extremist literature inciting sectarian violence” was found in their place of detention.

Diyala province, considered part of Iraq’s agricultural heartland and with an explosive mix of Sunnis and Shiites, is one of the main fault lines in the country’s ongoing sectarian violence. It was also here that Jordanian-born militant Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi was killed in a US airstrike on June 7.

On Friday, the commander of the 5th division, Maj. Gen. Ahmed Al-Awad, said he believed that a former high-level member of the ousted regime, Rasheed Taan, accused of commanding the insurgency in Diyala was hiding in the Muqdadiyah area. Taan, a former chairman of the ruling Baath party’s command in the western Al-Anbar province, is number six on a list of the 41-most wanted former regime loyalists and Islamist militants released by Iraq’s national security adviser Muwaffaq Al-Rubaie on Sunday. He carried a one-million-dollar bounty.

At least 368 prisoners held without charge in US-run detention centers were freed yesterday in the latest such releases under Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Al-Maliki’s national reconciliation plan. The detainees were released at a bus station in central Baghdad, an AFP correspondent witnessed. Since June 6, when the prime minister first floated his peace plan, nearly 3,000 detainees have been freed from coalition or Iraqi government custody. “Today, 368 prisoners will be released from various detention centers,” a Justice Ministry spokeswoman had told AFP earlier.
Posted by: Fred || 07/09/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [280 views] Top|| File under:

#1  May be there is some hope for Iraq.
Posted by: Annon || 07/09/2006 0:51 Comments || Top||

#2  Yeah. These guys are going to be okay. Feels like we are finally handing off the static line here.
Posted by: newc || 07/09/2006 11:57 Comments || Top||

#3  This should be headlining the evening news, doncha think?
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 07/09/2006 12:09 Comments || Top||


Iraq's Islamic Party accuses Iraqi police of murdering Muslim cleric
(KUNA) -- Iraq's Islamic Party claimed Saturday that the Iraqi police murdered a Muslim cleric on a security checkpoint in southern Iraq. A statement by the party said the police killed the preacher of Mahmoudya Grand Mosque Saeed Al-Sammarai while was stopping at a security checkpoint. The Party called on the government to put an end to those acts by police, who are supposed to protect civilians.

In another development, Iraq's State television began broadcasting of anti-militia advertisements today. The advertisements emphasize the role of government led forces in keeping peace in Iraq instead of militias which meet with the current media agenda approved by Prime Minister Nouri Al-Maliki The broadcasting came one day after a military operation conducted by Iraqi troops and Multi-National Forces (MNF) in Sadr city, which resulted in the death of nine Iraqis and the injury of 31.
Posted by: Fred || 07/09/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [293 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Maliki is pretty damn smart. In talking to the "neighbors" he sent a sunni to talk the the Irantians, a shia to talk to the shitheads in Saudi, and a Kurd to talk to the Turks. All this to indicate the their loyalties are to Iraq in general.
Posted by: Captain America || 07/09/2006 0:26 Comments || Top||

#2  "Iraqi police murdered a Muslim cleric on a security checkpoint"

Maybe he needed killing?
Posted by: Glenmore || 07/09/2006 11:31 Comments || Top||


Mortar shell kills three in Abu-Shdaira
(KUNA) -- At least three civilians were killed Saturday when a mortal shell landed in Abu-Shdaira area, while the death toll of the car bombing in Al-Jihad district in Western Baghdad mounted to three. Security source from the Iraqi Interior Ministry said that a mortal shell landed in the residential area of Abu-Shdaira area, South of Baghdad. The mortal shell killed three civilians and injured another nine. Regarding the Al-Jihad district, the source said that shortly after the car explosion, a mortal shell fell near in the same location targeting police patrol, noting that death toll increased to three and another 17 got injured in the same attack.
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Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Israeli gunship fires on Hamas weapons depot - Cease fire rejected
AN Israeli helicopter fired a missile at an Islamic Jihad militant group weapons depot in Gaza City today, mostly destroying the site but causing no casualties, the Israeli army and Palestinian witnesses said.

An Israeli military spokeswoman said the aircraft had targeted a weapons production facility in a pre dawn airstrike. Palestinian witnesses said the site was used for storage.
The attack came hours after five Palestinians were wounded in an airstrike yesterday in the same area on a van transporting weapons for Hamas militants.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert vowed yesterday to continue an offensive in Gaza without any time limit. He rejected a bid by the Palestinians' Hamas-led government for a ceasefire, demanding first the release of an Israeli soldier abducted on June 25.
Posted by: Oztralian || 07/09/2006 19:38 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [274 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Pictures of the secondaries would be nice to rub in the faces of teh BBC and EUros.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 07/09/2006 21:23 Comments || Top||


77% of Paleos support kidnapping Israeli soldier
A sizable majority of Palestinians support the continued kidnappings of Israelis as well as persistent Qassam rocket fire as a means to pressure Israel to release Palestinian prisoners, according to a new poll commissioned by the Jerusalem Media and Communication Center, the results of which were released Sunday.

Of the 1,197 respondents from the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, 66.8 percent expressed support for further kidnappings of Israeli civilians while 77.2 percent backed the Kerem Shalom tunnel operation and subsequent kidnapping of Israel Defense Forces Corporal Gilad Shalit.

Nonetheless, just 47.7 percent of those polled said they believed the Shalit affair would end positively for the Palestinian side.
Posted by: mhw || 07/09/2006 11:29 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [273 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Nonetheless, just 47.7 percent of those polled said they believed the Shalit affair would end positively for the Palestinian side.

But that response is really perplexing. I think their is a reasonable chance the paleos will cross a line and really piss the Isrealis off.
Posted by: anymouse || 07/09/2006 11:45 Comments || Top||

#2  Do we need a Surprise Meter for this one?
Posted by: xbalanke || 07/09/2006 11:53 Comments || Top||

#3  They say this, sitting in the dark, with no water or food. They couldn't buy any anyway cause they havent been paid in a month and a half. Yeah, you're winning sport.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 07/09/2006 11:59 Comments || Top||

#4  This is pretty clear evidence that Israel has been ineffective in its military actions. They should be taking whatever steps are necessary to change these minds, including incapacitating the bodies in which they reside. Too little, too slow, too late.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 07/09/2006 12:02 Comments || Top||

#5  Yet another reason cousins shouldn't be allowed to marry.
Posted by: DMFD || 07/09/2006 12:17 Comments || Top||

#6  The response is perplexing only if you think those expressing support for whatever it is Hamas is doing this week are being honest about their feelings.
Posted by: Phil || 07/09/2006 12:25 Comments || Top||

#7  How reliable do you think these polls are? How do they conduct them - by phone, or do they send a couple of guys from Hamas door to door with the pollster? It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the Palestinians are this stupid, but it also wouldn't surprise me if this poll is complete crap.
Posted by: WhiteCollarRedneck || 07/09/2006 14:54 Comments || Top||

#8  arabs lie to themselves, to others, to their olive trees and to their pet rocks.
Posted by: 6 || 07/09/2006 15:09 Comments || Top||

#9  I agree with WhiteCollarRedneck, there's no way you can rely on this data, but even if you could, would anyone really be surprised by the outcome? They have a major Jobbsian reality distortion field in operation over there...
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 07/09/2006 15:40 Comments || Top||

#10  I think the poll is "fake but accurate."

100% of Sock Puppets think "Palestinians" should be forceably ejected from the west bank and Gaza.

The only problem is were to? 100% of the rest of the world doesn't want them either.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 07/09/2006 16:44 Comments || Top||

#11  Virgins apparentley want them.
Posted by: plainslow || 07/09/2006 17:20 Comments || Top||

#12  #11 - Big deal. Helen Thomas will take anybody.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 07/09/2006 17:25 Comments || Top||

#13  True. But we did just have, what, a fifteen year old fly to the Middle East by herself to marry a person who thinks like these Paleo's.
Posted by: plainslow || 07/09/2006 17:28 Comments || Top||

#14  The palestentians ahve become a people reared on rage and hatred, self setructive and hating of themselves as well.

Reason has no home amongst them, and neither does mercy.

Eradicate their culture, it has mutated into soemthing twisted and hideous.


Posted by: Oldspook || 07/09/2006 17:29 Comments || Top||

#15  Given that the un and the rest of the world doesn’t punish bad behavior I understand why the paleos think this is a rational way to act. Iran and the Norks are holding whole sections of the world hostage and nobody is talking about dealing with them harshly. The paleos take one soldier and Israel is cowed by world opinion into not acting to free or avenge him. If only one time the world shouted “Enough” and called for the extermination of those who don’t wish to play nice. Trust me eliminating 77% of the Paleos would do a LOT to changing some Middle East and Islamic attitudes and it might save more lives in the long run.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 07/09/2006 19:29 Comments || Top||


Hamas gov't calls for halt to fighting
The Palestinians' Hamas government on Saturday called for a cease-fire, sending the first signal it is willing to compromise in its two-week standoff with Israel over captured IDF Cpl. Gilad Shalit. "If we want to get out of the current crisis, it is necessary to return to calm, on the basis of a mutual halt to all military operations," Cabinet spokesman Ghazi Hamad said. "This is the position of the prime minister (Ismail Haniyeh of Hamas), that everyone return to calm and stop all operations from both sides," he said.
Posted by: Fred || 07/09/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [283 views] Top|| File under:

#1  diplospeak for "you've called our bluff."
Posted by: Broadhead6 || 07/09/2006 0:08 Comments || Top||

#2  My position is that Haniyeh should personally return the corporal. Then we can talk about not shooting.
Posted by: Seafarious || 07/09/2006 0:15 Comments || Top||

#3  Sure hope the kid's not dead. Bad for him, really bad for Ismail...
Posted by: tu3031 || 07/09/2006 0:24 Comments || Top||

#4  Meanwhile, as the Hamsters sue for peace, they are attempting to smuggle into Gaza anticraft missles.

Another phony ceasefire appeal while they add to their weaponry.
Posted by: Captain America || 07/09/2006 0:29 Comments || Top||

#5  Preview Comments...
Poster: Annon
E-Mail:
Website:
Comment: #2, If there is any thing rational that the Hamas paleo could think straight, is exactly what you said "#2 My position is that Haniyeh should personally return the corporal. Then we can talk about not shooting." There is nothng more honest and rational than this.


Posted by: Annon || 07/09/2006 0:46 Comments || Top||

#6  Israel should tell 'em where they can stick their 'hudna'.
Posted by: DMFD || 07/09/2006 10:27 Comments || Top||

#7  Hey...what's going on here? The Lions of IslamTM declared victory over the IDF but the Hamas government is calling for a truce!?!? I'm confused?
Posted by: anymouse || 07/09/2006 10:49 Comments || Top||

#8  That's OK, anymouse. Hamas is at least as confused as we are. :-)
Posted by: grb || 07/09/2006 11:12 Comments || Top||

#9  Translation: Force is working.
Posted by: mcsegeek1 || 07/09/2006 11:37 Comments || Top||

#10  Nothing quite like an enemy who lets you know you are hurting him by screaming bloody murder.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 07/09/2006 16:07 Comments || Top||

#11  Childhood Memories: The Hamster drowns in the basement drain.
Posted by: new || 07/09/2006 18:50 Comments || Top||


Hamas: We 'have defeated the Israeli army'
Hamas's military wing, Izzadin al-Kassam announced in a press conference in Beit Lahiya Saturday evening that its fighters "have defeated the Israeli army."

IDF troops began pulling out of northern Gaza late Friday night and Saturday morning following military operations there. During the press conference, the masked Hamas operatives also presented army-issued identification cards belonging to IDF troops. The cards were apparently left behind accidentally by the soldiers due to the intense fighting there.
Posted by: Fred || 07/09/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [406 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This must be a new definition of 'defeat' that I'm not aware of.

"Look, they left cards!"
"Zionist cards!"
"Yes, yes Zionist cards!"
"Truly a magnifient victory!"
"...and a defeat for the Zionists!"
"Oh course a defeat for the Zionists!"

blah blah blah...
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 07/09/2006 4:09 Comments || Top||

#2  If Olmert and Peretz had a firing synapse between them, these punks would be begging for the IDF to lay off, not crowing about a "victory". Maybe if they lob a few more missiles into empty buildings to prove they're, you know, serious and shit, Hamas will release Gilad Shalit. But I doubt it.
Posted by: Kirk || 07/09/2006 4:53 Comments || Top||

#3  IDF troops began pulling out of northern Gaza late Friday night and Saturday morning following military operations there.

The reason is that there is pretty much bugger-all in Gaza left worth attacking. The reality on the Paleo side is 'one more victory like that one and we are undone.'
Posted by: WTF || 07/09/2006 9:07 Comments || Top||

#4  Quick! Someone tell the brave Lions of Islam who were leading the attack from the rear that they can come out of their hidey-holes now.
Posted by: Duek of Plaza-Toro || 07/09/2006 9:12 Comments || Top||

#5  Hey, Lions of IslamTM!! If you have defeated the IDF...then you should be able to just roll on to Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Show the world Lions of IslamTM.
Posted by: anymouse || 07/09/2006 10:46 Comments || Top||

#6  They read Baghdad Bob's book the night before....

"Tanks? Troops? This is an infidel lie. There are no....oh shit...nevermind."
Posted by: mcsegeek1 || 07/09/2006 11:39 Comments || Top||

#7  "the masked Hamas operatives also presented army-issued identification cards belonging to IDF troops"
Trying to make use of those cards would be almost as stupid as making calls on left-behind cell phones. I'm guessing they're deliberate plants.
Posted by: Darrell || 07/09/2006 14:42 Comments || Top||

#8  Darrell, hush man.
Posted by: 6 || 07/09/2006 15:11 Comments || Top||

#9  Israel just rocket attacked Gaza an hour ago. looks like they were just getting out of the way of the rockets. Soon they will return to sweep out the rats.
Posted by: 49 Pan || 07/09/2006 15:15 Comments || Top||

#10  [King Arthur music]
[music stops]
BLACK KNIGHT:
Aaaagh!
[King Arthur music]
[music stops]
BLACK KNIGHT:
Aaagh!
GREEN KNIGHT:
Ooh!
[King Arthur music]
[music stops]
[stab]
BLACK KNIGHT:
Aagh!
GREEN KNIGHT:
Oh!
[King Arthur music]
Ooh! Uuh.
[music stops]
BLACK KNIGHT:
Aaaagh!
[clang]
BLACK KNIGHT and GREEN KNIGHT:
Agh!, oh!, etc.
GREEN KNIGHT:
Aaaaaah! Aaaaaaaaah!
[woosh]
[BLACK KNIGHT kills GREEN KNIGHT]
[thud]
[scrape]
BLACK KNIGHT:
Umm!
[clop clop clop]
ARTHUR:
You fight with the strength of many men, Sir Knight.
[pause]
I am Arthur, King of the Britons.
[pause]
I seek the finest and the bravest knights in the land to join me in my court at Camelot.
[pause]
You have proved yourself worthy. Will you join me?
[pause]
You make me sad. So be it. Come, Patsy.
BLACK KNIGHT:
None shall pass.
ARTHUR:
What?
BLACK KNIGHT:
None shall pass.
ARTHUR:
I have no quarrel with you, good Sir Knight, but I must cross this bridge.
BLACK KNIGHT:
Then you shall die.
ARTHUR:
I command you, as King of the Britons, to stand aside!
BLACK KNIGHT:
I move for no man.
ARTHUR:
So be it!
ARTHUR and BLACK KNIGHT:
Aaah!, hiyaah!, etc.
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's left arm off]
ARTHUR:
Now stand aside, worthy adversary.
BLACK KNIGHT:
'Tis but a scratch.
ARTHUR:
A scratch? Your arm's off!
BLACK KNIGHT:
No, it isn't.
ARTHUR:
Well, what's that, then?
BLACK KNIGHT:
I've had worse.
ARTHUR:
You liar!
BLACK KNIGHT:
Come on, you pansy!
[clang]
Huyah!
[clang]
Hiyaah!
[clang]
Aaaaaaaah!
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's right arm off]
ARTHUR:
Victory is mine!
[kneeling]
We thank Thee Lord, that in Thy mer--
BLACK KNIGHT:
Hah!
[kick]
Come on, then.
ARTHUR:
What?
BLACK KNIGHT:
Have at you!
[kick]
ARTHUR:
Eh. You are indeed brave, Sir Knight, but the fight is mine.
BLACK KNIGHT:
Oh, had enough, eh?
ARTHUR:
Look, you stupid bastard. You've got no arms left.
BLACK KNIGHT:
Yes, I have.
ARTHUR:
Look!
BLACK KNIGHT:
Just a flesh wound.
[kick]
ARTHUR:
Look, stop that.
BLACK KNIGHT:
Chicken!
[kick]
Chickennn!
ARTHUR:
Look, I'll have your leg.
[kick]
Right!
[whop]
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's right leg off]
BLACK KNIGHT:
Right. I'll do you for that!
ARTHUR:
You'll what?
BLACK KNIGHT:
Come here!
ARTHUR:
What are you going to do, bleed on me?
BLACK KNIGHT:
I'm invincible!
ARTHUR:
You're a looney.
BLACK KNIGHT:
The Black Knight always triumphs! Have at you! Come on, then.
[whop]
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's last leg off]
BLACK KNIGHT:
Oh? All right, we'll call it a draw.
ARTHUR:
Come, Patsy.
BLACK KNIGHT:
Oh. Oh, I see. Running away, eh? You yellow bastards! Come back here and take what's coming to you. I'll bite your legs off!
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 07/09/2006 17:37 Comments || Top||

#11  They defeated the Israeli Army ? How interesting... reality is, that, the palestinians are now calling for a cease fire.. The big bad cowards are running scared. I hope that the palestinians are enjoying the Israeli raids, its a little taste of their own medecine back..
Posted by: Oztralian || 07/09/2006 19:37 Comments || Top||

#12  Sounds to me like the Lions of IslamTM ran out of women to hide behind.

Posted by: anymouse || 07/09/2006 23:24 Comments || Top||


IAF shoots down bridge in northern Gaza Strip
Report: IDF tanks returning towards n. Gaza Strip
Palestinian witnesses said IDF tanks began moving back into an abandoned Jewish settlement in northern Gaza early Sunday, a day after pulling back. The IDF denied the claim. The Palestinians said the tanks crossed the border into the ruins of Dugit, a settlement next to the Mediterranean seacoast, destroyed during last summer's disengagement.

Gaza: 3 Palestinian gunmen wounded in IAF strike
The IAF targeted a group of armed Palestinians, wounding three of them, near the Karni crossing in the northern Gaza Strip overnight Saturday, according to Palestinian reports. Earlier, the IAF struck the headquarters of the Fatah-affiliated Abu Rish Brigades amid the ruins of the former Jewish settlement of Neve Dekalim.

Kassam fired from n. Gaza; landing spot unknown
A Kassam rocket was fired from northern Gaza at Israel Saturday night. It was not clear yet where the rocket landed. The IDF finished removing its forces from northern Gaza Saturday morning after four days of intense fighting there left some 40 Palestinian gunmen dead.

Firebombs thrown at Israeli vehicles near Ramallah
Palestinians threw two firebombs at Israeli vehicles Saturday night near the village of a-Laben, located north of Ramallah. There were no reports of casualties but damage was cased to the vehicles.

Over 70 terrorists dead since onset of Summer Rain
More than 70 terrorists have been killed since the onset of Operation Summer Rain last week in the Gaza Strip, the IDF said Saturday night. Some 40 armed Palestinians were killed in IDF operations in north Gaza, said the army. One IDF soldier, Yehuda Basel, was killed by friendly fire.

Shell hits Gaza home, at least 6 dead; IDF denies
An IDF artillery shell reportedly hit a home in the Sajiyeh neighborhood on the outskirts of Gaza City Saturday night, killing at least six people, witnesses at the scene said. According to witnesses, a six-year-old girl was among the dead. The IDF said that it had not fired towards the house.
Posted by: Fred || 07/09/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [271 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Nice summary, Fred. Let's hope we take out all the missle firing areas and return the brave young soldier.
Posted by: Captain America || 07/09/2006 0:31 Comments || Top||

#2  Wasn't that bridge the route they use to bring in puppy food and baby formula for South Gaza? Oh, the humanity!
Posted by: WhiteCollarRedneck || 07/09/2006 14:55 Comments || Top||


Olmert rejects truce until Shalit freed
If Hamas wants a cease-fire, first it needs to release Cpl. Gilad Shalit and then stop firing rockets at Israel, senior officials in the Prime Minister's Office said Saturday night. The comments came in response to a five-point truce proposal that Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh issued Saturday, calling on Israel to stop its offensive and release prisoners. "If we want to get out of the current crisis, it is necessary to return to calm, on the basis of a mutual halt to all military operations," said a statement issued by cabinet spokesman Ghazi Hamad in Haniyeh's name.

Hamas also urged Israel to open negotiations over the fate of Shalit. It did not, however, say what Hamas would do in return. One senior official in the Prime Minister's Office said that Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has made clear since the outset of the crisis two weeks ago that the first thing that needed to be done was for the Palestinians to release Shalit. After that, he said, "we will respond to quiet with quiet of our own."

The official said that Israel had no intention of remaining in positions that the IDF had moved into inside the Gaza Strip, and that Israel did not leave Gaza 10 months ago with the intention of returning. He said that if Kassam rocket fire continues after the IDF once again leaves Gaza, the IDF would return. "We can go in and come out very quickly," he said.
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: Fred || 07/09/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [298 views] Top|| File under:


Tel Aviv expands invasion of Gaza
The Israeli armed forces have expanded their military operations in the Gaza Strip, sending tanks and troops into the area across the northern border July 3. An Israeli armored column entered from the south a week earlier. Tel Aviv claims the invasion is aimed at recovering an Israeli soldier who was taken prisoner in a June 25 raid inside Israel carried out by the military wing of Hamas, the governing party of the Palestinian National Authority (PNA), and two other armed Palestinian groups. The Israeli assault has received Washington’s support.

The attacks so far have focused on key civilian infrastructure in the densely populated area, home to 1.3 million Palestinians. Israeli air strikes destroyed the only power plant in the territory, and Tel Aviv cut off the only fuel pipeline into Gaza. About half of the residents are without electricity. The majority of Gaza’s water wells rely on electrical pumps.

According to a United Nations report, Israeli air force jets have been flying at supersonic speeds low over Gaza City at around 4 a.m. daily since the assault began, setting off sonic booms that break windows and terrorize the population. Three key bridges linking northern and southern Gaza have been destroyed by aerial bombing and all roads, border outposts, and ports have been sealed.
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: Fred || 07/09/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [314 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Now I'm even more confused than ever?!?! The Lions of IslamTM have declared victory? Ham-as wants a truce? And now the Israeli governement is expanding the invasion?

Is Karl Rove Behind this?
Posted by: anymouse || 07/09/2006 12:18 Comments || Top||

#2  One prisoner values life where as 8,000 do not.
Posted by: newc || 07/09/2006 14:45 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Syrian officials: Golan Heights offensive possible (Assad is seething TM)
Syrian border heating up? Days after Israeli aircraft carried out an aerial flight over the palace of President Bashar Assad, Syrian officials began hinting that the country may open a new front in the Golan Heights if it is attacked by Israel.
Baby Assad is either talking big to make himself feel better, or is seriously underestimating IDF's ability to wage war.
According to reports, the Israeli flyover deeply embarrassed the Syrians, and officials are now seriously contemplating military action against Israel.
Ya think? It showed the IDF could take his sorry a** out in a heartbeat and there's not much Baby can do.
"If Israel carries out further stupidities inside Syria, the Golan front will not remain as it is. Many Israelis will suffer as they suffered attacks from Southern Lebanon when they conducted acts of foolishness there," Parliament Member Muhammad Habash said in a television interview this week.
That would really interesting. Maybe the IDF can take care of the Syrian problem for us.
The over-under for the IDF marching into Damascus, if they really wanted to, is four days.
"Syria's devotion to peace as a strategic option since the Madrid Conference does not mean that this will remain the only option forever. The Syrians have other options as well," he stated.
Blah, blah, blah. Yawn.
The MP did not rule out the possibility that Syrian cells will launch a "liberation war" and "resistance" in the Golan Heights territory keeping with the tradition of the Fedayeen (armed militias).
Now that would be a real mistake. The IDF can wage a two front war...and they play for keeps when they feel mortally threatened.
Plus the Israelis have annexed the Golan, though no-one recognizes that diplomatically. As far as Olmert is concerned, the Golan is sovereign Israeli territory. Double-plus ooops for Pencilneck.
"There are many groups in Syria that are ready for a liberation and resistance war like the one the Lebanese people carried out in Southern Lebanon. There is also a front willing to carry out self-sacrificial acts on the Golan ground," Habash said. "Syria has many options. If Israel crosses the red lines – Syria won't have any," he concluded.
If you think that the IDF would not resort to massive napalm, etc. to take out the Lions of IslamTM coming across the Golan you are sadly mistaken.
Posted by: Juter Shavins6416 || 07/09/2006 11:48 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [372 views] Top|| File under:

#1  So you gotta ask yourself: "Do I feel lucky?" Well do ya’ Punk?
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 07/09/2006 12:29 Comments || Top||

#2  Syria is just trying to boo off the impending Israeli attack on the Hamas leadership chillin in Damascus.
Posted by: C-Low || 07/09/2006 13:34 Comments || Top||

#3  There is also a front willing to carry out self-sacrificial acts on the Golan ground

Are all arabs suicidal lunatics? Or do they all just claim to be? It took Israel exactly 6 days to settle this the last time, and there was a much larger arab consortium attacking. Bragging is a big part of being an arab asshole.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 07/09/2006 13:38 Comments || Top||

#4  The Syrians have other options as well," he stated.

"We can issue ineffectual threats before our army is ruthlessly massacred and flees in mass panic. This is our right."
Posted by: Baba Tutu || 07/09/2006 13:59 Comments || Top||

#5  Thanks for the laughs, commenters - and Baby Assad. I've always deeply regretted not buying one of Allahpundit's "Six Days, Bitch" coffee mugs back when he had his blog going.
Posted by: Verlaine in Iraq || 07/09/2006 15:36 Comments || Top||

#6  Isn't Syria still in the Axis of Evil? Isn't there also an issue with Jihadis coming into Iraq from there. Isn't there also a well-armed military just east of Syria? Just saying....
Posted by: Frank G || 07/09/2006 16:53 Comments || Top||

#7  It would be suicide for Israel to march on Damascus if they believe Tehran to have a nuke. Don't rule out Pencilneck and Dinnerjacket colluding to extract a Casus Belli and international sympathy from the leftists.
Posted by: Jake-the-peg || 07/09/2006 17:44 Comments || Top||

#8  I believe Syria is attempting to justify the re-occupation of Lebanon. Stay tuned.
Posted by: crosspatch || 07/09/2006 17:55 Comments || Top||

#9  Syrian false optimism in 1967 and 1973 was in the context of having the Soviet Union as a backstop. At the point of Israeli victory the Russians would wave their nukes and the Americans would negotiate a cease fire under which the Arabs wouldn't lose what they would have had the players been limited to the opposing sides. That backstop isn't there any more. Junior has to sabre-rattle a little to try not to look too much weaker than Pop had been, but he'd be crazy to take it further. On an over/under of 4 days I'd bet the under.
Posted by: Odysseus || 07/09/2006 18:32 Comments || Top||

#10  #4: The Syrians have other options as well," he stated.


....Like the WMD they've got on RU-IZ lay-away?
Posted by: Besoeker || 07/09/2006 21:16 Comments || Top||

#11  Syria will have to take a back-seat to Iran in Lebanon.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 07/09/2006 21:22 Comments || Top||

#12  Hey Veraline - Check out: http://www.iverdean.com/allahpundit/jihadprint.html
Posted by: Lone Ranger || 07/09/2006 21:32 Comments || Top||

#13  SYRIA = PALEOS = ME + MUSLIM WORLD > all future provinces, officially or unofficially, of Radical Iran's Iran-centric, Tehran-centric, Shia- and Islamism-centric Revolutionary empire, Regional andor Global. Israel is to MadMoud what America is to Russia-China and International Lefts.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 07/10/2006 0:00 Comments || Top||


Protein Wisdom update...
Jeff's site is still off line as of this post. Baldilocks has some words about Deborah Frisch and her mental hinges. Having had our own problems with DoS and with the occasional troll, I extend my sympathies.

If there's anything we can do to help here, and somebody's in email contact with Jeff, have him get ahold of me.

Blackfive has the woman's disgusting comments. I won't bother posting them here. I agree with Rightwing Nuthouse:
This is not hate speech. Nor is it name calling. Nor is it, as the good professor has tried to minimize on her blog “over the line of nastiness.” The only line it is over is perhaps a legal line that should, if there is a prosecutor on the ball in Tempe, Arizona, result in Frisch being frog marched to either the nearest detention center or wrapped in a straitjacket and thrown into a rubber room at the local insane asylum.
Posted by: Fred || 07/09/2006 00:11 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [462 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Absolutely, Frish's comments are beyond the pale. I'm happy to see her lose her job, either voluntarily or forcefully.

But I still feel I'm not getting the entire story, since Protein Wisdom is down. What kind of post/ thread caused this meltdown?

I have yet to see the topic that triggered this feldergarb.
Posted by: Mizzou Mafia || 07/09/2006 1:27 Comments || Top||

#2  Well there's a nifty little example of self destruction! Kinda reminds me of the Dixie Chix.
Posted by: Clolurong Check5903 || 07/09/2006 1:33 Comments || Top||

#3  Protein Wisdom is accessible now.

But I still feel I'm not getting the entire story...What kind of post/ thread caused this meltdown?

She says she was also threatened and wanted to give them "a taste of their own medecine". Who knows. Maybe she was conducting a pscyhology experiment. LLLs like to conduct experiments.
Posted by: Thrique Chaimble1101 || 07/09/2006 1:45 Comments || Top||

#4  Two remarks :

- I sincerely hope this will lead to law involvement, this is not 1st amendement, but actual threatening; it would be good for her to have her all-powerful internet loony bubble popped, and be given a dose of Reality(Tm).

- Aren't you all warm and fuzzy she's the one who teaches your children, along with plenty of her ilk? I mean, it can only benefit them, can't it? The progressive culture war (aka gramscian subversion) has a face, and it's that nice lady's.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 07/09/2006 3:24 Comments || Top||

#5  Barking moonbat, crazed narcissist, trolling psychopath? Pick one or some combination thereof.

Whatever the case, Jeff's caustic wit certainly pushed her buttons just enough to send her over the edge. Not that more than a nudge was required, mind you.

Appalling stuff. And I hope she faces serious legal consequences. If any child of mine had been degraded and threatened in such a manner ... well, happily none was.

American Academia in Action, 2006
Posted by: Kirk || 07/09/2006 3:38 Comments || Top||

#6  Remember: These are the people who support those who try to blow Isreali maternities, the people who feel morally superior to us evil conservatives.
Posted by: JFM || 07/09/2006 4:14 Comments || Top||

#7  For the whole sordid story, just search for "southwestpaw", handle of the whackjob in question, on Jeff's site: http://www.proteinwisdom.com. (Sorry about my ineptitude with the link thingy.) Don't forget to scrape the sh*t off your shoes when done.

Lengthy, but worthwhile for the upclose view of lefty derangement. Jeff's posters are alternatively repelled and amazed, but thoroughly entertaining throughout.

This would be great fodder for a psych paper, especially since the author-lunatic holds a psychology Ph.D. herself. And was an "Adjunct Professor of Psychology" at the University of Arizona, until she defecated where she ate. Something to ponder for those of you ponying up $thousands$ for junior's college degree.

Fellow Oregonians will be delighted to know said assclown has decided to plunk her arse down in Eugene, moonbat central for the Pacific Northwest. How nice!
Posted by: Kirk || 07/09/2006 4:19 Comments || Top||

#8 
Something to ponder for those of you ponying up $thousands$ for junior's college degree.


When my daughetrs grow enough I will be my utmost for helping them if they study engineering, hard science or any other marketable carreer.

Now for cutural studies or pseudo-sciences like sociology they will be in their own (ie don't count on daddy to fund you)
Posted by: JFM || 07/09/2006 5:02 Comments || Top||

#9  Doctor, heal thyself! I recommend something in a .40 or .45, myself. Best to get it right the first time.

I believe, were I an Oregonian, that I'd make certain that they know the full story here - and that I wouldn't even consider sending my children to any institution that would employ her.

And whatever board has oversight on her license to practice should also be alerted and action demanded.
Posted by: Uleatch Cheanter5148 || 07/09/2006 5:19 Comments || Top||

#10  I've always thought a trade - electrician, plumber, carpenter, etc. - to be an honorable and reasonably well-paying alternative, JFM.

Yes, I'm with you on the hard sciences and engineering, but the last thing this country needs is another frustrated cab driver with a meaningless degree. Or another Adjunct Professor of Psychology.
Posted by: Kirk || 07/09/2006 5:20 Comments || Top||

#11  absolootlee diskustin. >:(
Posted by: muck4doo || 07/09/2006 6:03 Comments || Top||

#12  Kirk and others, keep in mind that it appears she was teaching as an adjunct precisely because she was denied tenure at her original school, Univ. Oregon.

Further, she was listed on the UA site with the academic rank of "Instructor", which is about the equivalent of "Private" in the army. For someone with a PhD and 13 years' experience, which is what I'm inferring from some online info, that's a surprisingly junior rank. So in this case, at least, the academicians clearly agreed that something was missing or not quite up to standard in her teaching and/or her scholarship.
Posted by: lotp || 07/09/2006 6:41 Comments || Top||

#13  Baldilocks had some very wise things to say, including this:

Jeff’s site has been under sustained DOS attacks for days since Frisch’s dark musings--either from her or her sympathizers. That a person who “jokes” about molesting and murdering a child could actually have people so sympathetic to her “plight” that they would sabotage the site of that child’s father is what is most appalling—and telling.

These saboteurs may harbor the same type of evil notions as Frisch, however I suspect that they don’t. Likely, they are mere political partisans who disagree with Jeff’s demonstrably conservative and well-articulated stances so strenuously, that they are willing to stand with Frisch—a leftist, anti-war BDS-sufferer—and take overt action on her behalf, while overlooking her perversion and murderous intent. And it is these people—those who would give quarter to the Frisches of this world; who believe that politics trump decency—who are the most dangerous.
Posted by: Mike || 07/09/2006 7:40 Comments || Top||

#14  The Broad even L@@KS crazy!



Posted by: HTML Guy || 07/09/2006 8:41 Comments || Top||

#15  There was NOTHING in the comments towards Freaksh that merited her response. She was literally begging to be banned -- apparently as some sort of badge of honor -- but Jeff refused to. So she kept getting more and more extreme.

Do some digging and you'll find she has a long history of trolling, though none as extreme as this.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 07/09/2006 8:57 Comments || Top||

#16  HTMLguy, I don't think that's her - there's another link on the site (which typically I can't find now) which shows someone else.

By the way, don't mess with the Protein Wisdom folks - they are *mean!*
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 07/09/2006 9:41 Comments || Top||

#17  now she's a google-hit as a freak and nut. If you live in Oregon be careful at the local fast food drive thru window. The psycho PhD's destined to a career asking: "you want to biggie-size that drink? Fries with that?"
Posted by: Frank G || 07/09/2006 9:48 Comments || Top||

#18  Ugh!

That picture HTML Guy is begging for a caption contest. (Or better yet a photoshop contest...).

"Well I'm the victim here..."

Posted by: CrazyFool || 07/09/2006 9:55 Comments || Top||

#19  A5089, let me shake off the cobwebs for a moment and review what little I know of Arizona Revised Statutes.

Stalking is defined in ARS 13-2923 as the following:

A. A person commits stalking if the person intentionally or knowingly engages in a course of conduct that is directed toward another person and if that conduct either:

1. Would cause a reasonable person to fear for the person's safety or the safety of that person's immediate family member and that person in fact fears for their safety or the safety of that person's immediate family member.

2. Would cause a reasonable person to fear imminent physical injury to or death of that person or that person's immediate family member and that person in fact fears imminent physical injury to or death of that person or that person's immediate family member.

B. Stalking under subsection A, paragraph 1 of this section is a class 5 felony. Stalking under subsection A, paragraph 2 is a class 3 felony.

C. For the purposes of this section:

1. "Course of conduct" means maintaining visual or physical proximity to a specific person or
directing verbal, written or other threats, whether express or implied, to a specific person on two or more occasions over a period of time, however short, but does not include constitutionally protected activity.

2. "Immediate family member" means a spouse, parent, child or sibling or any other person who regularly resides in a person's household or resided in a person's household within the past six months.

Arizona also has laws prohibiting harassment and aggravated harassment. See §§13-2921 and §§13-2921.01


I might be off on the penalties, but a class 5 carries a possible sentence of probation up to 2 years at the state penitentiary. Class 3's are more serious. The penalty is possible probation all the way up to 8 3/4 years in the state penitentiary. All felonies carry a possible fine up to 150k.

IF, and it's a big if, Mr Goldstein wished to press charges and if there was a prosecutor in Pima County willing to go for it, there could be a definite possibility for the class 5 felony charge. The class 3 would be harder to prove.

Anyway, I don't think she's going to find Oregon much more hospitable. She ran into trouble up there before (not sure on the details) and had to accept a demotion in lieu of getting canned. This sure ain't gonna help the situation when she passes her resume around for consideration. I'd be amazed if even a desperate community college would have her on staff now.
Posted by: Swamp Blondie || 07/09/2006 9:56 Comments || Top||

#20  Evergreen State Collage in the Peoples Republic of Washington (state) would probably welcome her with open arms tho.... dammit! After all they spawned St. Pancake and her parents.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 07/09/2006 10:17 Comments || Top||

#21  Google "Deborah Frisch" and the first thing you get is "Deborah Frisch: A Psychologist's Defense of Ward Churchill". Figures.
Posted by: Darrell || 07/09/2006 10:20 Comments || Top||

#22  I find the following post from her own site to be particularly insightful [with my own snarky comments for added effect]:

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faux newz, etc.

A guy from Fox News named Richard Carbery emailed and wants to interview me on the phone on Monday. It's almost as exciting as when I was interviewed by Richard Harris for NPR. I will try to find a copy of that interview and post it.

The dept head at the UA formally accepted my resignation this afternoon. [Do you hear that, Deb? It's a bit deafening, I know, but it is the sound of millions of people applauding.]

Rightwing nutcases with nothing better to do on the weekend might want to stop harassing University of Arizona administrators. Just a thought.

Looks like someone at TalkLeft is siding with Mr. Goldstein. But here's a commenter named bigunit12 who gets it:

On one hand, what she wrote was wrong. But, on the other hand, it was only word. How many dead Iraqi mothers,American and Iraqi fathers, and Iraqi children are conservatives responsible for? [Time to play a little CYA, is it Deb?]

It is unbelievable that a comment saying I would not care if harm came to your child is such a crime to the rightwingnuts when they've been happy as clams to send American dupes to murder, maim, rape and torture (yup folks - depriving people of electricity and clean water is a form of torture!) Iraqi children for four years.

Posted by Deb at 07:45 PM

[Crazy IS as crazy DOES.]
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Posted by: eltoroverde || 07/09/2006 10:32 Comments || Top||

#23  Here's an item in the Feb. 24, 2004 Arizona Star mentioning Crazy Debbie as the "domestic partner" of one Cecile McKee (see caption on the picture accompanying the article).

Posted by: Dave D. || 07/09/2006 11:00 Comments || Top||

#24  nice - they have a child in the house? Someone needs to get Child Protective Services out there
Posted by: Frank G || 07/09/2006 11:06 Comments || Top||

#25  How the hell do people end up like her, anyway? Did her parents potty-train her with a cattle prod or something?
Posted by: Dave D. || 07/09/2006 11:17 Comments || Top||

#26  I've just spent the last two hours going through the Protein Wisdom blog watching this almost unbelievable self-destruction happen.

It's quite unreal.

I think this is the woman, not the (rather cute) woman HTML guy posted (it's from her site after all).

Posted by: Tony (UK) || 07/09/2006 11:26 Comments || Top||

#27  Its the result of having no rules... no morals... just a 'me first' [at any price] attitude. Parents who allowed their spawn to get away with anything and everything (so that they are 'free' ya know) probably had something to do with it.

Potty-training with a cattle prod might have actually helped her.... (not that I suggest such a technique....)

(And no, I am not any kind of shrink....)
Posted by: CrazyFool || 07/09/2006 11:28 Comments || Top||

#28  Let's just hope that the Arizona Wildcats do better in basketball this season...

not that that's relevant or anything.
Posted by: badanov || 07/09/2006 11:35 Comments || Top||

#29  As BDS is becoming more and more widespread, this type of vitriol will become commonplace. The right should use LAW ENFORCEMENT and forget about public discourse, calls to employers or demands for apologies. The PC laws created by loons like this should be used against them.

She lost her job at U of A? Big f*cking deal. She ought to be in jail.
Posted by: mcsegeek1 || 07/09/2006 11:36 Comments || Top||

#30  I left a couple comments yesterday at her website, neither was published (pity).

I suggested to her that she needs a better apology: she need to allocute as to what she did, why she did it, and make clear that she recognizes she was wrong. As it is, her apology is more of the "I'm sorry I was caught" variety.
Posted by: Steve White || 07/09/2006 12:04 Comments || Top||

#31  Also, a comment on her rank: Dr. Frisch is not and has not been a 'professor' at the University of Arizona.

She is on the adjunct faculty with the rank of instructor, according to their web site.

I'm an academic person myself but I'm not a 'professor' either -- I'm an 'associate professor' (one rank down). While it may seem to be a minor point, these ranks do mean something in the academic world in terms of one's value to the institution and respect with which one is held in the academic community. The order is generally professor > associate professor > assistant professor > instructor > lecturer; the latter generally is not a position on any tenure track.

An adjunct faculty person is not on a regular faculty track (tenure or non-tenure). Adjunct faculty are hired as essentially 'temporary' workers who fill needs that aren't being met by the regualar faculty. For example, Dr. Frisch was teaching a statistics class in the Dept. of Psychology at the U. of A. Adjunct faculty generally are hired and dismissed at will and don't ordinarily go through the same vetting process as regular track faculty.

Adjuncts are used extensively at some institutions, and there's a less than happy history as to how adjuncts are routinely mis-treated.
Posted by: Steve White || 07/09/2006 12:04 Comments || Top||

#32  Associate Professors can also come in tenured and non-tenured varieties. Full Professors are all tenured. I have never heard of a tenured Assistant, but I suppose it's possible.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 07/09/2006 12:15 Comments || Top||

#33  A couple more quick points after spending part of yesterday spelunking around Dr. Frisch's website and the shitstorm at several other websites:

1) the pointer to the NSF web site that some have bandied around (saying that she used to work for the National Science Foundation) is problematic: if you click on either the 'home page' link or the 'funding page' link, you'll see that both have been removed by the NSF. The e-mail link is for a 'dfrisch' but I suspect there is more than one person in our country with that first initial and last name.

2) Dr. Frisch has had a couple of academic positions. One was a tenure-track position at the University of Oregon, which (by old posts in her blog) she accepted after gaining her Ph.D. from the University of Pennsylvania. She was denied tenure but then had two years at the U of O as adjunct faculty. Such adjunct positions are usually (not always) at the rank of 'instructor'. That was also her title and track at the University of Arizona. She's not, and never has been, a 'professor'. She's been faculty.

3) There seems to be a gap in her employment history from Oregon to Arizona.

4) You might never see an announcement from the U of A on her resignation. Adjunct faculty are hired and dismissed all the time, and 99.9% of the time it's done without any public notice. The very most you might get at some point, if you contacted the Dept. of Psychology there, is a 'there is no such faculty person by that name here.' (and I don't advocate calling or harrassing the U of A in any way).

I hope Mr. Goldstein can get his site back on line (if anyone knows of a safe tipjar to help him out please let me know), and I hope Dr. Frisch gets the help she clearly needs.
Posted by: Steve White || 07/09/2006 12:15 Comments || Top||

#34  Nimble: full professors are not necessarily tenured. Most universities now have a non-tenure track that incorporates all ranks. These are particularly prevelant in medical schools, where you want to keep good clinical faculty but not give them tenure.

I'm on such a track.

Non-tenured professors are also seen in some other specialty schools (e.g., nursing, engineering).

Just to keep things straight :-)
Posted by: Steve White || 07/09/2006 12:17 Comments || Top||

#35  Jeff's site apparently is up now at 11:30 am CDT.
Posted by: Steve White || 07/09/2006 12:27 Comments || Top||

#36  Ah, so it's the attack on children that's got everyone in an uproar. Where was the outrage when some rightwinger wrote this (here on this website):

"Destroy the madrasses, with the Muslim children inside. Past time to go Viking on these barbaric throw-backs." Link.
Posted by: Angeretch Angoluth2635 || 07/09/2006 12:40 Comments || Top||

#37  Ah, so it's the attack on children that's got everyone in an uproar. Where was the outrage when some rightwinger wrote this (here on this website):

"Destroy the madrasses, with the Muslim children inside. Past time to go Viking on these barbaric throw-backs." Link.


Link is all mixed up (are you on an anonymizer?), but it's very probable someone made that remark;

I'd say that the PW comments are ad nominem, aimed at hurting and worrying a given person, they're threats (though, to be honest, I'm pretty sure it's more of a mental masturbation by this nice lady, she's getting thrills out of it, like ytrolls do, the goal is probably not to threaten per se). They can lead to prosecution, and I hope they will, because it's how it's works in the real world : threaten someone, you might have unexpected consequences.

As for the RB comment, it is a very common brand of "kill them all and let God sort them out", "Go medieval on them",... fantaisy, born out of the frustation caused by the PC-enforced western way of war (face it, none of theses extreme methods is ever going to be used, neither by the israeli nor the USA).

Reality vs Fantasy, simple as that.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 07/09/2006 12:56 Comments || Top||

#38  Just an aside: U of AZ in in Tucson, ASU is in Tempe.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 07/09/2006 12:58 Comments || Top||

#39  AA (Angry Asshole) - That was Tony Curtis. Always took his roles a little too seriously.

And you might consider that when a threat goes from the general to the specific, the individual, it is very very different legally. It usually mean yo ass, in fact.

Please, continue being angry. You might have a heart attack. Please try to do it while typing a comment here. Make "Submit" the last thing you ever do, okay?

Is that a threat?

LOL.
Posted by: Uleatch Cheanter5148 || 07/09/2006 13:04 Comments || Top||

#40  Link is all mixed up (are you on an anonymizer?), but it's very probable someone made that remark;

Yes I am anonymizing. It's in the classics page if you want to confirm it.

As for the RB comment, it is a very common brand of "kill them all and let God sort them out", "Go medieval on them",... fantaisy

Oh so it's just fantasy. Glad you cleared that up, I was getting worried there for a minute. I'm sure Muslims all over are breathing easier now.
Posted by: Glaving Crolung9206 || 07/09/2006 13:07 Comments || Top||

#41  And you might consider that when a threat goes from the general to the specific, the individual, it is very very different legally.

I suppose it is, legally. Morally, however....oh but wait....you don't care about that though. Sorry. My mistake.
Posted by: Slavimp Chaviter2824 || 07/09/2006 13:11 Comments || Top||

#42  LOL. Heavens to Mergatroid!

It's a Moral Superior and Equivalencer Expert!

Gosh, we don't get many like you around here.
Posted by: Uleatch Cheanter5148 || 07/09/2006 13:16 Comments || Top||

#43  AA2635, SC2824 and GC9206 are the same person, using different anon names but with the same IP.

Dear Multiple Personality: if you want to post repeatedly, pick a nym and stick with it. Behaving as if you're more than one person is grounds for being banned. We don't tolerate that sort of behavior.

Steve (AoS) moderator
Posted by: Steve White || 07/09/2006 13:24 Comments || Top||

#44  You don't get very many hypocrites either.
Posted by: Sleaque Elmulet8218 || 07/09/2006 13:24 Comments || Top||

#45  Behaving as if you're more than one person is grounds for being banned

Sorry, didn't know that. It's the anonymizer.
Posted by: N.A.H. || 07/09/2006 13:26 Comments || Top||

#46  BTW, Mr. Steve White, do those pepto-colored comments belong to you?
Posted by: N.A.H. || 07/09/2006 13:27 Comments || Top||

#47  "You don't get very many hypocrites either."

Aye, so true. But you can be our RB Hypocrite of the Day - if you're really determined, LOL.
Posted by: Uleatch Cheanter5148 || 07/09/2006 13:28 Comments || Top||

#48  You're ever so entertaining, in that smug self-righteous buffoon sort of way, but the World Cup Final is starting. I'm sorry, but I'd prefer to watch grown men fall down and fake injury. Buh-bye for now, but do fight on! You're a real beacon... and stuff.
Posted by: Uleatch Cheanter5148 || 07/09/2006 13:47 Comments || Top||

#49  As one of the liberal regulars around here, allow me another 2 cents (yes, AA2635, et al, there are a few lurking around here....shocka!)

Knock it off with the "but so-and-so said....", or whatever rationalizations you can come up with that are at best, tangentially applicable to this discussion.

If you honestly can't tell the difference between a "burn 'em all" remark and a "I hope your toddler gets Jon-Beneted" post, well, you frighten me. Seriously, you do.

Do you go ballistic on lefty sites, when someone posts a "kill all the repugs" or something similar? I'll take a wild guess....I bet you don't. I know I don't. I just roll my eyes. You, on the other hand, probably bust a gut and post followups with at least one "LOL!" or "ROTFLMAO!"

Whether you like to admit it or not, what she posted is a crime. What she is accused of, and has not denied doing, is grounds for felony charges in Arizona.

You do not speak for the rest of us on the left, and my moonbat buddies got disgusted when they read her sick threats, none of which Frisch has denied posting.

Just please, drop it. Now. There are other far more worthy causes to defend on the lefty side than some unhinged lunatic in desperate need of therapy, medication, and a and possibly a criminal defense lawyer.
Posted by: Swamp Blondie || 07/09/2006 13:56 Comments || Top||

#50  I'm sure Muslims all over are breathing easier now.

I'm not really sure muslims all over are so worried by what's written by undescript westerners in the blogosphere to be holding their breath in fear. Frankly, I've trouble seeing muslims all over as helpless victims randomly bullied and discriminated against by the Man. I do not see them (or at least the active minority which always make things happens regardless of who we're talking about, with the silent majority falling back behind in various grades of support/indifference) as passive and under siege, quite the contrary.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 07/09/2006 14:11 Comments || Top||

#51  I'm not really sure muslims all over are so worried by what's written by undescript westerners in the blogosphere to be holding their breath in fear.

No, not all. But it adds fuel to the fire. You can rationalize this, like Blondie mentiones, any you want. Think of the reaction if this was aimed toward Americans...in fact, that's what this whole website is about: a reaction to the various "burn 'em all" screeds by the islamofascists!

If you honestly can't tell the difference between a "burn 'em all" remark and a "I hope your toddler gets Jon-Beneted" post, well, you frighten me. Seriously, you do.

That's a fine attempt at rationalizing it, I guess. If you can so easily dismiss "kill all the kids in the madrassas", then you frighten me as well. Seriously, you do.

The point is, if you're going to throw stones, move out of that glass house of yours.
Posted by: N.A.H. || 07/09/2006 14:26 Comments || Top||

#52  in fact, that's what this whole website is about: a reaction to the various "burn 'em all" screeds by the islamofascists!

That's certainly not how I see it, for sure.

Lgf would be a tad more like that, in its comments perhaps, but both are more like spotlights, pointing attention to facts and events that needs to be brought to daylight, with some analysis (worth what is worth, but which often impress clueless me), and some very nice humor (the Site Boss and Owner is a witty one, made me laugh out loud online for the first time, though toen was seriouser initially IMHO).

This website is part of my "ré-information" cure, I've found it in december 2002 IIRc, and I've been more than reasonably faithful to it since, even if there's a gap between my background and many commenters ' own ones, because I think the worldview it promotes is *right*. At least, if fits mine.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 07/09/2006 14:38 Comments || Top||

#53  If you honestly can't tell the difference between a "burn 'em all" remark and a "I hope your toddler gets Jon-Beneted" post, well, you frighten me. Seriously, you do.

That's a fine attempt at rationalizing it, I guess. If you can so easily dismiss "kill all the kids in the madrassas", then you frighten me as well. Seriously, you do.


Ok....to make it blindingly obvious.....one is revolting, although acceptable, under the First Amendment to the Constitution. One is directed against a specific individual, and is not considered to be protected speech. There is a huge difference there. This may shock you, but in a court of law, personal morality, either yours or mine, does not enter into it here.

It's the difference between "Death to America!" and "Death to Maynard G Krebs of 1234 Boston Lane in Podunk Ohio". One is an idiotic posting, one is a specific threat.

Surely you can tell the difference now?

I hope you weren't planning on being an attorney, or anyone else dealing with legal issues on a daily basis, N.A.H. You just flunked criminal law 101.

But fret not, I think there's an instructor position opening up at a state college in the southwest shortly in the psychology department....
Posted by: Swamp Blondie || 07/09/2006 14:58 Comments || Top||

#54  Swamp Blondie, Rantburg is not a court of law. Neither is the world wide web. I'm not arguing the legal aspect...if you hadn't noticed.

It's the difference between "Death to America!" and "Death to Maynard G Krebs of 1234 Boston Lane in Podunk Ohio".

Was she that specific? I may have to read over her comments again. What got most people upset, imo, was that she chose to involve someone's children, not that she attacked a specific person. (In fact, it was an attack on a child). But then, reading over some people's comments here, one might get the impression that children are not off limits.

At this point, no one side holds the higher moral ground. I used to think it was the side represented by the folks on this website.
Posted by: N.A.H. || 07/09/2006 15:08 Comments || Top||

#55  Think of the reaction if this was aimed toward Americans...

Hey, NAH. This kind of BS is directed towards Americans every day in the Muslim press. I suppose you would know this if you got out more.
Posted by: SR-71 || 07/09/2006 15:21 Comments || Top||

#56  Ok, N.A.H., read her comments again. Out of respect for Fred, I'm not posting them here.

There is a definite, specific person she is referring to in those comments. It is not children in general, or people who live in Colorado. Mr Goldstein has only one child, a son aged two. He has no other children. She could not possibly be referring to anyone else.

Knowing how people here react, I don't think they particularily care if it was his kid she was referring to, his grandmother, his mother in law, or his next door neighbor. It was the wish of grievous harm and unwanted sexual activity on a specific person, regardless of age, that got everyone sick.

Get the difference now?

Leave morality out of it. Your morality is not the same as mine, nor necessarily of anyone else here. We can argue all day, and not convince anyone of a single damn thing. That's happened countless times here on the 'burg.

I'm not judging her on the morality, or lack thereof, of her statements. I have the right to say she's revolting and should be locked up in a mental ward until she is cured. You have the right to say she's simply misunderstood.

But to rationalize it with a "but...but.....he said x!!" will get your ass beaten down here any day of the week.
Posted by: Swamp Blondie || 07/09/2006 15:49 Comments || Top||

#57  Was she that specific? I may have to read over her comments again. What got most people upset, imo, was that she chose to involve someone's children, not that she attacked a specific person. (In fact, it was an attack on a child).

What a pile of steaming disingenuous bullshit.

She was specifically threatening Jeff Goldstein's child - and you know it, dickhead.

You're a poseur -- and a liar.
Posted by: Uleatch Cheanter5148 || 07/09/2006 15:51 Comments || Top||

#58  Get the difference now?

I don't see the difference between the fear that she provoked in one particular person, and the fear instilled in one particular group by some of the comments here. To be outraged at one and not the other is hypocritical.

Cheanter5148, I thought you were watching the world cup?
Posted by: N.A.H. || 07/09/2006 16:05 Comments || Top||

#59  A Friday night, somewhere in the Middle East
--
Rasheed: "Did you read what they said on Rantburg?"
Qazi: "No, what now?"
Rasheed: "Someone wrote that they were going to destroy ALL of the madrassas!"
Qazi: "Oh no! All of them? What a powerful individual to be able to do such a thing!"
Rasheed: "It is worse: he will do it with all of the children inside."
Qazi: "I quake with great fear at the prospect of those commenters at Rantburg!"
Posted by: eLarson || 07/09/2006 16:15 Comments || Top||

#60  1st Overtime.

It was cute when you were just being a pretentious twat, posing and preening and positioning for an imagined moral "gotcha" moment.

Now you've lied. Plainly, clearly, obviously, stupidly lied.

You're blind to a point when it suits you and an eagle-eye hairsplitter when that suits. Doesn't matter, now.

Just another argumentative "I like to hear myself type!" liar.

2nd Overtime.
Posted by: Uleatch Cheanter5148 || 07/09/2006 16:15 Comments || Top||

#61  Time to sink trap this fool like was done with Bird Dirt - Cassini - Left Angle...

This type of person only wants to provoke - not teach or convince. And he/she/it cannot be themselves convinced.

Morality indeed. I LOL when I see the left trying to argue morality.
Posted by: SR-71 || 07/09/2006 16:16 Comments || Top||

#62 

I don't see the difference between the fear that she provoked in one particular person, and the fear instilled in one particular group by some of the comments here. To be outraged at one and not the other is hypocritical.


Aris is back!
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 07/09/2006 16:17 Comments || Top||

#63 
You're blind to a point when it suits you and an eagle-eye hairsplitter when that suits. Doesn't matter, now.


See? It's Aris.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 07/09/2006 16:18 Comments || Top||

#64  N.A.H.:

"Destroy the madrasses, with the Muslim children inside. Past time to go Viking on these barbaric throw-backs."

I posted that, and it isn't a fantasy born out of rage or frustration. I also stand by the comment. Muzzy kids in madrasses spend their time being programmed into the next wave of hateful killers, by the time they're 9 or 10 years old the programming can't be undone.

I've resigned myself to the knowledge that we will ultimately have to destroy most of the Islamic world, or be destroyed ourselves. In fact, they state as much. And when either one happens, lots of children will be killed, I would rather it be theirs.

My original text in Comment #12 can be read here.

Dr. Frisch made threats towards a specific individual, others here have attempted to enlighten you so I won't cover that. I do encourage you to crawl back into whatever hole you crawled out of.

-M
Posted by: Manolo || 07/09/2006 16:19 Comments || Top||

#65  "Aris is back!"

Either that, or this annoying pest has the exact same mental condition...

Posted by: Dave D. || 07/09/2006 16:21 Comments || Top||

#66  Check your shoes, n a h, I think you stepped in something.
Posted by: Inspector Clueso || 07/09/2006 16:24 Comments || Top||

#67  #11 absolootlee diskustin. >:(

Beautifully put, as always, Mucky! =)

Nice to see you over there at PW, btw.
Posted by: docob || 07/09/2006 16:25 Comments || Top||

#68  A Friday night, somewhere in the Middle East

It's not the Muslims in the middle east I had in mind.
Posted by: N.A.H. || 07/09/2006 16:26 Comments || Top||

#69  So Steve, are those comments yours or not? (in general, the pepto colored ones)
Posted by: N.A.H. || 07/09/2006 16:33 Comments || Top||

#70  I don't see the difference between the fear that she provoked in one particular person, and the fear instilled in one particular group by some of the comments here. To be outraged at one and not the other is hypocritical.

Nice sophistry there. I have rarely seen someone on any side of the political spectrum better put into practice the ancient saying, "If I can't dazzle them with brilliance, I'll baffle them with bullshit." Bravo on your performance in this thread.

Anyway, cheerio....got to watch the World Cup. Go France! (They've been amazing in this tournament, and I'd like JFM to have another excuse to party.)
Posted by: Swamp Blondie || 07/09/2006 16:43 Comments || Top||

#71  It's salmon, not pepto.
Posted by: Steve White || 07/09/2006 16:49 Comments || Top||

#72  To equate N.A.H. with Aris is an insult, guys.

An insult to Aris, that is. At least Aris came up with a good point now and then. N.A.H. can't manage that.

Now, Cassini, Left Angle, and the rest of that ilk, yeah....he/she/it's more like that.
Posted by: Swamp Blondie || 07/09/2006 16:50 Comments || Top||

#73  I sense the presence of abu Troll Slicer.

That or it's the Malt Likker again.

Posted by: 6 || 07/09/2006 17:01 Comments || Top||

#74  It's not the Muslims in the middle east I had in mind.
Well that leaves most of 1 billion not shaking in their curly-toed slippers over a comment at Rantburg.
Posted by: eLarson || 07/09/2006 17:04 Comments || Top||

#75  Geeze Louise! I just came in from mowing the lawn and madness is popping up like daisies. If y'all want, I can run the olde snapper through the thread once, heh.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 07/09/2006 17:08 Comments || Top||

#76  Wait until the muzzie yute Car B Que's start in Fwance , AP. This is popcorn weather!
Posted by: Inspector Clueso || 07/09/2006 17:12 Comments || Top||

#77  AP, you have grass in Alaska?
Posted by: Steve White || 07/09/2006 17:18 Comments || Top||

#78  It's salmon, not pepto.

I'll assume that's a yes. Care to clarify the following comment? What sort of gruesome acts did you have in mind?

I appreciate Dave D.'s list of options. I'm also pretty much in lotp's corner. I'd prefer not to commit gruesome acts, but as Old Spook notes, the Islamicists started this, not me: however gruesome it gets, they're not going to get me, my country and (especially) my daughter. The liberals who find this distasteful had better find a way to shut the Islamicists down; if they can't, I'll ratchet my way up Dave's list til I find something that does the job.
Posted by: N.A.H. || 07/09/2006 17:23 Comments || Top||

#79  excellent derailing of the thread NAH.
Posted by: Frank G || 07/09/2006 17:32 Comments || Top||

#80  Left, right...you're all a bunch of hypocrites.
Posted by: N.A.H. || 07/09/2006 17:43 Comments || Top||

#81  OOOoooohhhhh..... name calling.....

Why do they always resort to name calling?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 07/09/2006 17:47 Comments || Top||

#82  This is the dude that was here a few weeks ago preaching about what a bunch of genocidal nutz we all are. He will never engage in argument, just preach.
Posted by: 11A5S || 07/09/2006 17:47 Comments || Top||

#83  no N.A.H. your just an asshole, a lefty asshole we have seen your kind before and we will see your kind again when you leave.
Posted by: djohn66 || 07/09/2006 17:48 Comments || Top||

#84  He will never engage in argument, just preach.

You want to debate this statement? Ten years ago I never would have thought it possible that I would advocate the extermination of an entire group of people.

What's there to debate? Like Sweden in 1939, you want to debate which side you're on?

This is the dude that was here a few weeks ago preaching about what a bunch of genocidal nutz we all are.

Brilliant, Sherlock.
Posted by: N.A.H. || 07/09/2006 17:56 Comments || Top||

#85  Oh my N.A.H. fiqured us out we don't like muzzies much. Dude get a F*cking life nobody cares about what you think of us.
Posted by: djohn66 || 07/09/2006 18:02 Comments || Top||

#86 
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 07/09/2006 18:23 Comments || Top||

#87  You'll care this November and in 2008. But by that time you'll be calling for a civil war like the moonbat you are. The islamofascists won't have much to do in the US, thanks to you.
Posted by: N.A.H. || 07/09/2006 18:26 Comments || Top||

#88  It's always interesting to watch someone who lacks the smallest scintilla of shame attempting to wield shame as a weapon.
Posted by: flyover || 07/09/2006 18:29 Comments || Top||

#89  Bwhaaaaaaaaaaaa, no N.A.H. I don't really care about Nov. 8 2008, oh and guess what I am not a righty or a lefty. You need to get over yourself and quit highjacking threads.
Posted by: djohn66 || 07/09/2006 18:31 Comments || Top||

#90  narcissists don't feel shame....
Posted by: Frank G || 07/09/2006 18:31 Comments || Top||

#91  C'mon, NAH, didn't your daddy teach that if you ever let the kids on the playground get your goat, they're just going to keep screwing with you?

I tried having that debate last time with you, morality-boy. I kept asking you whether it was OK to use genocidal tactics against a society that is trying to inflict genocide on you. You took an absolutist view on genocide and refused to answer my questions. An absolutist position is OK, but it doesn't make for much of a "debate."

I dunno, maybe you're a Quaker and don't feel that it's ever OK to fight back. Or maybe you're one of those dudes who feels that the US is so powerful that there are no credible threats out there anymore. Maybe you never read that Lenin took over Russia and launched a genocide with about 5000 hardcore cell members or that Hitler hijacked Germany, launched a World War, and started his own genocide with a with a gang of incompetents, drug adicts, and perverts. Maybe it has never occurred to you that the alliance known as The United Nations during WWII committed what would now be classified as genocide against the Third Reich and Dai Nippon to end those little parties. Or that we threatened genocide against the USSR from about 1953 to 1989 to keep those boys in check.

So if you want to answer my question (is genocide justified against the genocidal?) then we can have a debate. Otherwise, make your point and go away.
Posted by: 11A5S || 07/09/2006 18:32 Comments || Top||

#92  Mr. N.A.H. (what does that stand for, by the way?), let me help you with some background, so that you can argue more intelligently with the people here. Surely you are capable of more than generalizing and namecalling, an odd taste in amusement it seems to me. I offer this because a good many of Rantburger's regulars, including site owner Mr. Pruitt, were or are professionals in the areas upon which they choose to comment. Unlike me -- I'm just a little Midwestern housewife who's lived abroad and has an interest in such things -- and clearly unlike you, my dear.

I would not dream of suggesting any of the Conservative American weblogs, becaust that won't actually help you when you rejoin us -- although quite a few American Conservatives, and even some Republicans, do hang out here, this is not actually a political site. Fred Pruitt set up this site to track the quiet movements of the War on Terror, since he had retired some years earlier for active involvement in the game.

So. First, go to the Middle East Media Resource Institute, where they've been translating key speeches, publications and textbooks from various Arab and Muslim and even Israeli politicians, religious leaders and educators for about a decade now. Steep yourself in the memes, the threats and promises, and the educational atmosphere the Saudis, the Syrians, Saddam Hussein's Iraq, and the Palestinians have created for themselves and their children. Observe what the Israelis have said and done by comparison. I imagine you'll want to take a long shower afterward... I generally shake for days, but I am oversensitive to unkindness of any sort. You may want to follow that by a visit to the CAIR website, to see what they have to say about Muslim-on-unbeliever violence and terror. I don't have that link, but anyone capable of finding Rantburg can find them, too. Afterward you'll want to Google CAIR's leadership -- a fascinating bunch. Then poke about in Rantburg's archives, and spend a little time in Thugburg. Just read the articles and judge for yourself, remembering that all the articles are from open sources; the link to the original is embedded in the title, so go see some for yourself. The essence of Rantburg is to present raw information for the insights of the denizens, leveraging the strength of the internet beyond the extensive knowledge of Mr. Pruitt himself. (You would be shocked about what a good civil engineer can tell about how not to make the world's biggest dam in China, or an observant Frenchman about the suburb-trapped Muslims of his country, or an American expat in China about the temper of the people over there.)

When you know enough to argue intelligently, come back. Otherwise please don't waste your time demonstrating yourself to be a childish idiot. The world has a surfeit of those, and none are nearly as amusing as they fancy.
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/09/2006 18:58 Comments || Top||

#93  Clearly the "Stephen's Guide" link needs to be updated for NAH, because he may have failed to use a few of the logical fallacies that used to be listed there.
Posted by: ryuge || 07/09/2006 18:59 Comments || Top||

#94  And Dr. White's colour is salmon. If your computer reads it as pink, you may have a bit of a problem.
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/09/2006 19:01 Comments || Top||

#95  N. A. H. stands for Noone At Home.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 07/09/2006 19:01 Comments || Top||

#96  I kept asking you whether it was OK to use genocidal tactics against a society that is trying to inflict genocide on you.

I presume you've already made up your mind that all Muslims are trying to inflict genocide on you. Because I'm not at that point yet. That's a mighty big leap to take, but completely understandable for someone who spends his entire time on Rantburg reading articles about how bad all Muslims are.

But to answer your question (in the abstract, I'll admit), I'd say war against the genocidal is justified, but genocide is not. The difference being, no matter how brainwashed the children are, I'd still give them a chance, whereas you, apparently, would not. But that's just me, it seems.
Posted by: N.A.H. || 07/09/2006 19:05 Comments || Top||

#97  That alright N.A.H. you give the children a chance, when they blow you hell and they will then we don't have to hear you morale outrage anymore.
Posted by: djohn66 || 07/09/2006 19:07 Comments || Top||

#98  That's funny trailing wife, really funny. Defending the indefensible. What sort of credentials would you need to find genocide abhorrent, in your world?
Posted by: N.A.H. || 07/09/2006 19:19 Comments || Top||

#99  Ever worn a uniform, NAH? Ever been in combat? Ever done anything solely in service of your country? Know anything, anything at all, about that which you pontificate on at length?

O sir, we quarrel in print, by the book; as you have
books for good manners: I will name you the degrees.
The first, the Retort Courteous; the second, the
Quip Modest; the third, the Reply Churlish; the
fourth, the Reproof Valiant; the fifth, the
Countercheque Quarrelsome; the sixth, the Lie with
Circumstance; the seventh, the Lie Direct. All
these you may avoid but the Lie Direct; and you may
avoid that too, with an If. I knew when seven
justices could not take up a quarrel, but when the
parties were met themselves, one of them thought but
of an If, as, 'If you said so, then I said so;' and
they shook hands and swore brothers. Your If is the
only peacemaker; much virtue in If.


---

Consider well, before you answer with another Lie Direct.
Posted by: flyover || 07/09/2006 19:26 Comments || Top||

#100  This is an IT's Nightmare!
Posted by: 1337 DuDe || 07/09/2006 19:37 Comments || Top||

#101  tw, nice try, but attempting to educate the insistently ignorant is an exercise in frustration. He's made up his mind, and nothing, especially evidence that contradicts his world view, is going to change it.
Posted by: Swamp Blondie || 07/09/2006 19:51 Comments || Top||

#102  N.A.H. - I think trailing wife was trying to be helpful. I don't think your comment helps your argument.
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 07/09/2006 19:57 Comments || Top||

#103  Both of my parents were at the receiving end of a real genocide attempt, Mr. NAH. My grandmother's memoir is in the Holocaust Museum in Washington and in Yad Vashem, where my mother's rescuers recently received awards as Righteous Gentiles. I know the difference between targetted killings of those who plan and execute violence against innocent civilians, and the dupes they are training in the Madrassahs for the next wave, and the organized attempt to destroy an entire people down to suckling babes. You are either a vicious ass or, despite reading through Fred's archives for bits to throw up at us with disapproving mien, a hopelessly biased and ignorant ass. You do not deserve to have your freedoms protected by the men and women of our and other nation's armed forces. Kindly go fuck yourself.
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/09/2006 19:57 Comments || Top||

#104  Surely you are capable of more than generalizing and namecalling, an odd taste in amusement it seems to me. ... Kindly go fuck yourself.

Interesting...trailing wife, to say the least. This could get even more uglier, but I'm not that type of person. You are a hypocrite. The end.
Posted by: N.A.H. || 07/09/2006 20:05 Comments || Top||

#105  What TW said. Double.
Posted by: Inspector Clueso || 07/09/2006 20:06 Comments || Top||

#106  You do not deserve to have your freedoms protected by the men and women of our and other nation's armed forces.

Actually, I'm trying to help them out by not engaging in rhetoric that could have consequences for them over there. But you, quite obviously, don't give a shit.

One word, one sentence, or something. Anything. To counter Manolo's depraved statements. But you don't have it in you.
Posted by: N.A.H. || 07/09/2006 20:20 Comments || Top||

#107  So we've gone beyond mere sophistry to ad hominem attacks from Mr N.A.H, followed by an "I care about the troops more than you do" statement with absolutely no proof to back it up.

Damn, that wouldn't even work in a high school debate class.....
Posted by: Swamp Blondie || 07/09/2006 20:27 Comments || Top||

#108  There is no such thing as "Moral Equivalence" or "Moral Relativity" or "Ultimate Moral Authority". How does one deal with an Enemy who seems to have no morals? What ARE "morals". Morals are that which guide people's actions. What is moral to one is im-moral to another. You say Manolo's statements are "Depraved". I fear this depravity may become necessary. That doesn't mean I believe it is "moral" as I understand the term. In a hell of a lot of Muslim communities killing anyone who doesn't ascribe to their particular interpretation of the Quran is moral. This woman went beyond the bounds of what is considered moral in most of the US. She also went beyond what is legal.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 07/09/2006 20:29 Comments || Top||

#109  Since you claim to be protecting our troops...

Any current or retired military people here have an opinion on what he said? Manolo already voiced his opinion, so that's one retired military man on record.
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/09/2006 20:29 Comments || Top||

#110  One word, one sentence, or something. Anything. To counter Manolo's depraved statements. But you don't have it in you.

And neither do you to counter Frisch's statements. Not one word, one sentence, anything at all. Your contortions to defend the indefensible would do a Cirque du Soleil acrobat proud.

Wanna see a hypocrite, N.A.H.? Go get a mirror....
Posted by: Swamp Blondie || 07/09/2006 20:30 Comments || Top||

#111  NAH, you are ignorant, i.e. uninformed.

I would suggest you go read about the "religion" known as islam. Read the koran, learn the sunnah and hadith.
Read about the life and actions of their "prophet".
Read about their desire to kill 4 million Americans.
Read about prior jihadi attacks, way back to 1979.
Read how these modern jihadis are using the basic tenets of islam to justify their bloody cause.
Read about Dhimmutude, and reflect that it means you personally.

The folks here have done their homework on this. The results are very ugly as we are threatened existentially be these people. We RBers have learned this. Will you?
Posted by: Brett || 07/09/2006 20:32 Comments || Top||

#112  Think about all of the major religions and their founder/greatest figures.

Tell me, if you can, to which the following applies:
Used scripture to justify murder,
Used scripture to justify rape,
Used scripture to justify robbery,
Used scripture to justify genocide,
Used scripture to justify being 'rulers',
Engaged in child rape,
Engaged in slavery,
Commanded the faithful to convert others by call or sword,
Allowed women to be less worth than a camel,
And the list goes on and on.

Buddha? Nope.
Confucius? Wrong again.
Moses? Sorry.
Jesus? Is this a tough call?

Or, could it be mohammed? Yup, good call. This guy is the only person who fits the list.

And that is just the beginning of my "issues" with islam. And I am not the only one. Here is what Winston Churchill wrote in 1899:
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."

(http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/read_churchill_islam.html)

Hear, hear, Winston!
Posted by: Brett || 07/09/2006 20:51 Comments || Top||

#113  And neither do you to counter Frisch's statements. Not one word, one sentence, anything at all.

Actually I did. I stated earlier that what she did amounted to an attack on a child. Given my stance on the genocide topic, including the murder of children, I think you can connect the dots yourself. Okay so I wasn't explicit about it. She is as much depraved as Manolo is. Is that good enough for you?

Any current or retired military people here have an opinion on what he said?

You can't be serious....good God. I'm sure they all think bad things about me. I'm sure they will all say they don't need my help. How does that change the fact that whatever you say here has consequences for them over there? Pathetic, on your part.

The results are very ugly as we are threatened existentially be these people. We RBers have learned this.

What people? You feel threatened by all Muslims everywhere? Including the ones that go drinking every weekend?
Posted by: N.A.H. || 07/09/2006 21:04 Comments || Top||

#114  So, you know Muslims that go drinking every weekend? Then they aren't "True Muslims". Alcohol is forbidden in the Koran. I don't doubt for a second that if these people were in Iran or Saudi Arabia they would be "good little Muslims". I do know Muslims here who do not think of themselves as Americans first, but Muslims first. Their Death Cult has told them, and they believe, THEY are above any law but Sharia. But what has any of that got to do with Deborah Frisch? Not a goddamn thing. Buzz off.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 07/09/2006 21:10 Comments || Top||

#115  But what has any of that got to do with Deborah Frisch?

Nothing, in that context. Except maybe that rightwingers are as hypocritical as the leftist moonbats. Same shit, different pile.
Posted by: N.A.H. || 07/09/2006 21:28 Comments || Top||

#116  That's an interesting argument, N.A.H. Care to elaborate on how what we say here can possibly endanger our soldiers?

Funny, but I don't recall any statements from Osama, Zarqawi, et al stating that what they saw on a blog, any blog, was enough to make them kill more Americans and coalition soldiers. The only one making that argument, ever, is....you.

Got any evidence, or are you just pulling that outta your ass? (Don't go Ward Churchill on us and make up crap. Give some real, honest, independent evidence. Hell, for the sake of this discussion, al-Jazeera or Ananova would do.)
Posted by: Swamp Blondie || 07/09/2006 21:35 Comments || Top||

#117  Care to elaborate on how what we say here can possibly endanger our soldiers?

Are you seriously this stupid?
Posted by: N.A.H. || 07/09/2006 21:38 Comments || Top||

#118  You keep bringing up the wor hypocritical. What's the hypocracy anyone here has espoused? You seem to be saying it's hypocritical to call for the extermination of a segment of humanity that calls for the extermination of another segment of humanity as being hypocritical in context of one person wishing death on the son of a another person who wishes no harm on that first person. I have read Jeff's blog and there is nothing in there that wishes harm to Deborah Frisch. Are you claiming "moral equivalence"? That's a bullshit phrase. You still fail to address the issues. Name calling is the last refuge of someone who has nothing to contribute.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 07/09/2006 21:50 Comments || Top||

#119 
"Are you seriously this stupid?"

You certainly are! Where do you get off preaching your confused morals to those of us here?

So, I'm depraved, so be it. Tell me, am I any more, or less depraved than the followers of Islam that flew jet planes full of innocent people into buildings full of innocent people?

I can tell you this, the followers of Islam do not burden themselves with worries about morality and depravity as they plot our personal destruction and that of our society. We already know that schools full of children are fair game to them! Think Beslan!

I for one have no compassion or mercy for the Mohammedans. Now go away, there isn't anyone here that you can persuade to your way of thinking!

-M
Posted by: Manolo || 07/09/2006 21:51 Comments || Top||

#120  Just as I suspected....pulling it outta your ass. No proof whatsoever.

Either that or you're trying to flirt with me. ;)
Posted by: Swamp Blondie || 07/09/2006 21:53 Comments || Top||

#121  "Got any evidence, or are you just pulling that outta your ass?"

Yep, looks like he pulled it out of the same place he pulled his imitation "morality."

Posted by: Dave D. || 07/09/2006 21:54 Comments || Top||

#122  Wow

I haven't seen a thread this long since since Hillary stated donning her Darth Vader cape.
Posted by: badanov || 07/09/2006 21:55 Comments || Top||

#123  I was going in to radiology at the UofA Wednesday, but maybe I'll tell them there's a bigger cancer that needs eradicating. I could see if the trollop held office hours. I'd be pretty fearsome shuffling along in My walker.
Posted by: Jackal || 07/09/2006 22:01 Comments || Top||

#124  Jackal, hope you are feeling better. (Had no idea you were sick. They do some great work there in Tucson, wishing you all the best! Get well soon!)
Posted by: Swamp Blondie || 07/09/2006 22:12 Comments || Top||

#125  What's the hypocracy anyone here has espoused?

The hypocrisy here is that you get all riled up about a woman attacking someone's child, but are unfazed when Manolo calls for the killing of children in madrassahs. The other hipocrisy is that you spend all this energy attacking me, and not one word to condemn Manolo's statements.

It's also utmost hypocritical for trailing wife to reveal her family's history concerning real (!) genocide, and at the same time nonchalantly dismiss Manolo's statements.
Posted by: N.A.H. || 07/09/2006 22:18 Comments || Top||

#126  Jackal,

Hey guy hang in there we absolutely need you for the canine contingent here at RB!

woof!!

formally Red Dog
Posted by: RD || 07/09/2006 22:20 Comments || Top||

#127  ignore the troll - it's advanced its' argument not one foot since the beginning of the thread. It doesn't care what you say and it certainly won't change its' morality or (lack of) thought patterns.
Posted by: Frank G || 07/09/2006 22:21 Comments || Top||

#128  good luck, Jackal :-)
Posted by: Frank G || 07/09/2006 22:25 Comments || Top||

#129 
"The other hipocrisy is that you spend all this energy attacking me, and not one word to condemn Manolo's statements."

I'm sure most of the good souls here do not agree with my scorched Earth...Kill them all and let God sort it out mentality. But they understand how I came to adopt that mentality, and that it took a LONG time and lots of atrocities on the part of Islam.

Now, smoke a doob, have a drink or take your meds, but go away. You're like a fly, you eat sh!t and bother people.

-M
Posted by: Manolo || 07/09/2006 22:35 Comments || Top||

#130  I think tw's and Manolo's comments are not hypocritical at all. What's hypocritical about wanting to destroy people who want to destroy you? what did Jeff say about Deborah Frisch? Nothing. She wishes for the violent death of an innocent child. The child of someone who has wished her no harm. His child is not being taught to hate people like Deborah Frisch. The children in the Madrassas are being indoctrinated into the Death Cult that is Islam. You see no difference. Pity you.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 07/09/2006 22:38 Comments || Top||

#131  You're like a fly, you eat sh!t and bother people.

Manolo, he's more like a hemmorhoid. He's inflamed, and keeps coming back to irritate.
Posted by: Swamp Blondie || 07/09/2006 22:42 Comments || Top||

#132  What a thread. Among reasonable people I will reason, but a tyrant or a Jihadi I give no quarter. Yes, Steve, we have grass up here in Alaska. We have the lawn kind and we have the heavy duty hi-test kind in the Mat-Su valley.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 07/09/2006 22:43 Comments || Top||

#133  "heavy duty hi-test kind in the Mat-Su valley"

Klondike Gold?

Posted by: Dave D. || 07/09/2006 23:01 Comments || Top||

#134  The children in the Madrassas are being indoctrinated into the Death Cult that is Islam.

So? I take it in your world children are not off limits. Don't you see the sickness in that? Is half of America really like that? So it's true what they say about you?
Posted by: N.A.H. || 07/09/2006 23:02 Comments || Top||

#135  What did I tell you guys? Just like a 'rhoid.

Move along, nothing to see here. Let's not waste any more of Fred's bandwidth.
Posted by: Swamp Blondie || 07/09/2006 23:10 Comments || Top||


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#1  Maria English? That's good she doesn't open her mouth, or everybody would be able to see she's got bad teeth, it would ruin the effect.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 07/09/2006 3:25 Comments || Top||

#2  her two front tooths look purty to me.
Posted by: RD || 07/09/2006 4:41 Comments || Top||

#3  wuznt lookerin her teef...
Posted by: muck4doo || 07/09/2006 6:04 Comments || Top||

#4  She was in "She Creature" and "Voodoo Woman".

Also known a Marlene.

Looked like Liz Taylor but 'only' a C cup.
Posted by: mhw || 07/09/2006 10:26 Comments || Top||

#5  Personally, I prefer her to Liz Taylor, even back in the day.
Posted by: xbalanke || 07/09/2006 11:55 Comments || Top||



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