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-Lurid Crime Tales-
Oh the Horror! - Bullet found in doorway
Posted by: Haliburton Blazing Saddles Reference Division || 11/12/2006 08:15 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  OMG!!!!! We need to investigate, and sue the manufacturer.
Posted by: 49 Pan || 11/12/2006 10:04 Comments || Top||

#2  The bullet, of Swiss origin, was still in its brass casing, complete with enough gunpowder for it to fire itself.
The ignorance of the media would boggle my mind, if I hadn't already lost my boggle.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 11/12/2006 10:05 Comments || Top||

#3 
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 11/12/2006 10:09 Comments || Top||

#4  Good grief. Pictured is a .22 Short round (AFAIK the wimpiest round currently manufactured), with the caption "LETHAL: The .22 calibre bullet found in Walthamstow High Street on a market day morning".

Where did Britain put its testicles?

Posted by: Dave D. || 11/12/2006 10:18 Comments || Top||

#5  I'm probably wrong (actual gun nuts will correct me), but I've been told that a round which explode outside of a chamber (say if overheated, or through chemicla decomposition for really old rounds) doens't project the bullet as it normally would. Danger comes from the relatively small explosion and fragments, but there's no actual risk of receiving a bullet.
BS?
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 11/12/2006 10:41 Comments || Top||

#6  they didn't find the other rounds of bullet and the shutter gun?
Posted by: Frank G || 11/12/2006 10:54 Comments || Top||

#7  Geez. A .22 short. A bullet so puny that it's hard to tell if the rifle has been fired from lack of report or recoil. Quite accurate, though.

A guy I know used to win bar bets by shooting the "o" out of a Coke bottle with iron sites at 25 feet. Any further and it wouldn't chip the glass.

Ironically, the .22 caliber is a far deadlier round than the .25 caliber, for an odd reason. It has a proclivity to nick internal organs in just the right way as to cause peritinitis. So you don't die from the bullet, you die from the infection.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 11/12/2006 11:07 Comments || Top||

#8  Isn't this the caliber that the Israeli Intell uses for killing? At very close range very deadly and very quiet. Put a towel over the muzzle and you have a silenced pistol.
Posted by: sam3rd || 11/12/2006 12:25 Comments || Top||

#9  IIUC actual hitmen use em because they enter the skull and bounce around, without enough energy to exit, and soft enough so they deform, leaving no traceable marks
Posted by: Frank G || 11/12/2006 12:40 Comments || Top||

#10  When did The Onion start writing for the Guardian? :-)
Posted by: gorb || 11/12/2006 13:59 Comments || Top||

#11  I thought the Brits already confiscated all the guns and ammo from law abiding citizens. And now are starting to deal with the dangers of Swiss Army knives.
Posted by: DMFD || 11/12/2006 14:27 Comments || Top||

#12  I like the horoscopes...
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 11/12/2006 14:31 Comments || Top||

#13  The bullet, of Swiss origin, was still in its brass casing, complete with enough gunpowder for it to fire itself.

Oh, the humanity! Did they handle it with tongs? Did they bring along the bomb disposal truck to contain any potential explosion while they transported it back to headquarters for analysis?

More and more, John Cleese's skit about defending yourself against a man armed with fresh fruit seems increasingly reality based.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/12/2006 15:03 Comments || Top||

#14  MoneyPenny, find Bond...
Posted by: Capsu 78 || 11/12/2006 16:12 Comments || Top||

#15  If you put a bullet in the furnace, it will explode.
Posted by: Jackal || 11/12/2006 17:34 Comments || Top||

#16  Channelling Bill Cosby, Jackal? :o)
Posted by: badanov || 11/12/2006 17:43 Comments || Top||

#17  lol! They have 1600 identified terrorists wanting to blow them up and this is what they get excited about.
Posted by: Clkethel OHlkdj || 11/12/2006 17:55 Comments || Top||

#18  Oh, the humanity! Did they handle it with tongs? Did they bring along the bomb disposal truck to contain any potential explosion while they transported it back to headquarters for analysis?

No, they cordoned off the block and burned it down.
Posted by: gorb || 11/12/2006 17:56 Comments || Top||

#19  Not the bullet, just the cartridge. The bullet will hit somewhere in the furnace wall and become a deformed slug.

I know... as I kid I stole a couple of pistol cartridges from my father's shelf (he was in the army and unwittingly left it there) and when making bonfire outside with buddies I dropped one in the middle of it. Yea, was 9 and experiments-inclined. The cartridge exploded with a loud crack, rocketted about a yard high and then split and the bullet with a part of the cartridge whizzed away into the neighborhood. The next I heard was a broken window. Buddies thought I dropped a blank into the fire. Did not want to correct them. It was also the last time I did something as stupid. I did few stupid things later, but that took the prize.

Of course, if I was instructed by my father about ammo, I would likely take his word for what may happen.
Posted by: twobyfour || 11/12/2006 17:57 Comments || Top||

#20  Somebody dropped a single .22 cartridge and the whole city goes nuts?

Good Lord, I used to fire .22's a;; the time as a kid. Dropping a few rounds while reloading was commonplace (and you could almost never find them all if you accidentally dropped a whole box while out in the field or the woods plinking targets.

The UK has been thoroughly immasculated.

Posted by: FOTSGreg || 11/12/2006 19:08 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
Flight Patterns
Appropos of nothing other than its own innate coolness, this is a computer animation map of North America in which each moving dot is one commercial airline flight.
Posted by: Mike || 11/12/2006 08:52 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  See also post-elex Map on FREEREPUBLIC.com which shows why the Dems can't claim either a mandate andor its Liberal-Alternatist agenda. Iff there's one thing Commies + Socies like is stable Social forces > ALTERNATISM by defini is UN-STABLE to the ideo of the FAR/HARD/ULTRA-LEFT.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 11/12/2006 23:35 Comments || Top||


Happy birthday, Mothman!
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 11/12/2006 07:43 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I myself believe I saw a de facto FLORIDA SWAMP APE, albeit probably a youngster = young adult??? Long Arms were dragging as it crossed the road.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 11/12/2006 23:28 Comments || Top||


The $200,000 Mail-In Ballot
Inverted Jenny used on ballot?

A number of reports in the USA are suggesting that an absentee vote cast in Tuesday’s midterm elections was posted using the famous Inverted Jenny stamp. Officials in Broward County, Florida noticed an unusual looking stamp as they were counting absentte votes. County Commissioner John Rodstrom, a former stamp collector, recognised it instantly.

The stamp is now being kept in storage, with voting laws stating that along with the vote itself, it must be archived for two years and then destroyed. Mitch Kopkin, proprietor of the Tropical Stamp shop in Fort Lauderdale declared that whilst it was highly unlikely that the stamp was a genuine Inverted Jenny, it would fetch between $50,00 and $200,000 if it was proved to be the real thing.
If the stamp has been canceled, its value will plummet. How many other stamps look like the Inverted Jenny? Somewhere, there's a senile old codger whose family (if he has any), is howling to high heaven.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/12/2006 02:50 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The stamp is now being kept in storage, with voting laws stating that along with the vote itself, it must be archived for two years and then destroyed

If the family realizes their mistake, they have a chance of, at the very least, of preventing someone else from just taking the money and giving them none in return.
Posted by: anon || 11/12/2006 3:12 Comments || Top||

#2 
Posted by: Shipman || 11/12/2006 7:02 Comments || Top||

#3  Heh, I collected 3 50-D 5 cent pieces in the lunch line of my grammar school over the course of a month. Some kid was rippin off Dad's horde.
Posted by: Shipman || 11/12/2006 7:04 Comments || Top||

#4  Naaw, just a young Jew who said "By God, they will count my absentee ballot THIS TIME".
Posted by: closedanger@hotmail.com || 11/12/2006 17:12 Comments || Top||


Singapore launches Christmas in Tropics extravaganza
(Xinhua) -- The annual Christmas Light-Up on the streets of Singapore launched on Saturday night, beginning the city-state's seven-week-long "Christmas in the Tropics" extravaganza. This extravaganza from Nov. 11 to Jan. 2, will be one to remember, with more than 60 festive events, including the city-state's longest and brightest Light-Up, festive performances, entertainment events, shopping specials, concerts and dance parties, the Singapore Tourism Board (STB) said at a news conference on Friday.

This Christmas season is expected to attract more than 1.6 million visitors. The STB has revealed that more than 820,000 tourists visited Singapore during the Christmas season last year while more than 20 percent of them specifically planned their trips to coincide with the year-end celebrations. The Board also said that 22 percent of these tourists were repeat visitors.
We'll see what the ACLU has to say about this!
Posted by: Fred || 11/12/2006 00:41 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Heh, can you say Merry Christmas in Mandarin?
Posted by: .com || 11/12/2006 1:42 Comments || Top||

#2  If you ever come across a copy of Singapore Grip. It contains some hilarious descriptions of Christmas in 1930s Singapore.

Also Christmas decorations in Singapore get recycled for Chinese New Year a month later which results in some decidedly odd looking Santa Clauses.
Posted by: phil_b || 11/12/2006 4:38 Comments || Top||


Oscar winner Jack Palance dead at 87
Bummer.

More at link. Here's an excerpt:

The actor clutched his Oscar in one hand and dropped to the ground for a round of vigorous one-handed push-ups.

The Academy Awards crowd laughed and applauded as he said, "That's nothing, really. As far as two-handed push-ups, you can do that all night, and it doesn't make a difference whether she's there or not."


;-)
Posted by: gorb || 11/12/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Sad, sad, sad. Rest well Jack.
Posted by: Thoth || 11/12/2006 1:37 Comments || Top||

#2  Jack's 'Tough Guy' persona was projected with great skill and convincing realism. That glance and grimace along with that 'scrappy' voice, was such, could make a man stutter when talking to him. Other than perhaps Mr. T (in his prime) I can't think of anyone else that could do that!
Posted by: smn || 11/12/2006 5:34 Comments || Top||

#3  One of the old school tough guys. Rest in peace.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 11/12/2006 5:57 Comments || Top||

#4  "Billy Crystal... I crap bigger than him."

lol
Posted by: Frank G || 11/12/2006 11:04 Comments || Top||

#5  Uh oh....

Shame! Shame! Shame!
Posted by: Brandon Bewildered || 11/12/2006 11:11 Comments || Top||

#6  I liked his TV version of DRACULA in the 1970's. RIP...
Posted by: borgboy || 11/12/2006 12:49 Comments || Top||

#7  I liked his TV version of DRACULA in the 1970's. RIP...

Are you sure that was Palance? I seem to recall someone else in the part (though I can't recall the name just right off)

Regardless, ole' Jack was a class act all the way through.

I crap bigger than him

I thought the word was "better"...


Posted by: FOTSGreg || 11/12/2006 20:11 Comments || Top||

#8  Jack did one, and quite well IIRC
Posted by: Frank G || 11/12/2006 20:25 Comments || Top||

#9  RIP, Jack.

[OTOH > PYWAR = Jack's been announced "dead" before].
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 11/12/2006 23:09 Comments || Top||


East German Zoo Worker Killed by Leopard
BERLIN (AP) - A leopard attacked and killed a zoo worker who was cleaning its cage in the eastern German city of Chemnitz on Saturday, police said. The zoo director found the 23-year-old dead from a bite to the neck just after 9 a.m.
Ouch. That'd do it.
A door between the stall and an outdoor cage for the Persian leopard appeared to have been accidentally left open, police spokeswoman Jana Kindt said without giving further detail.
Posted by: Steve White || 11/12/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Well, they lad was lucky he did not taste that good, if one looks for a positive aspect in the whole affair.
Posted by: twobyfour || 11/12/2006 3:53 Comments || Top||

#2  Pound for pound the badest cat in the whole damn town.
Posted by: Shipman || 11/12/2006 7:08 Comments || Top||

#3  I got to wrestle with a juvenile leopard a few times years ago. A beautiful, rock hard, powerful animal. As to the wrestling part, I was really just trying to scratch her behing her ears, which she loved, and showed her love by grabbing one by the nape and purring her silly head off, until she wanted more scratching of course. Powerful, beautiful, dangerous.
Posted by: Whiskey Mike || 11/12/2006 7:20 Comments || Top||

#4  "But what are YOU doing here, Lt. Columbo? This was just a tragic accident."
Posted by: Perfesser || 11/12/2006 8:45 Comments || Top||

#5  One thing I've noticed over the years is how the number of accidents and fatalites involving wild animals and humans doing stupid things to/with/around them has increased.

I blame TV. These nature shows focus on the "fluffy bunny" aspect, and do not remind the viewers that wild creatures are not like the family dog or cat.

Domesticated animals (for lack of a better term, I have to anthropomorphize) "understand" the difference between humans and themselves.
Wild animals that have been habituated to humans do not. They tend to see humans as just funny looking members of their own species, and treat humans accordingly. I got a powerful demonstration of this when I got to work with some wolves at the zoo. The nip on the nose and the invite to play was nothing like what my dog would do. Like WM, I found it wonderful.

I cannot stress enough that one needs to remind the general public that you should leave wild animals alone unless you have a powerful reson (loss of life, limb or eyesight) to get involved. otherwise tragedy will ensue.
Posted by: N guard || 11/12/2006 9:30 Comments || Top||

#6  Much the same thing occures with horses, N guard. If you go out in the pasture you MUST be the Alpha horse. Their playful nips and head-butting can have painful outcomes.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 11/12/2006 10:12 Comments || Top||

#7  "here, kitty kitty kitty"
Posted by: Frank G || 11/12/2006 10:41 Comments || Top||

#8  Deacon Man, never enter a pasture in doubt or without...

Posted by: Shipman || 11/12/2006 10:49 Comments || Top||

#9  Not all leopards are so lucky.


Posted by: mrp || 11/12/2006 11:35 Comments || Top||

#10  Deacon Man, never enter a pasture in doubt or without...

I really, really, really don't want to know what is the exact purpose of that tool. Really.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 11/12/2006 11:43 Comments || Top||

#11  It's a twitch 5089, a ComeAlong for horsies.
Posted by: Shipman || 11/12/2006 13:05 Comments || Top||

#12  I know what it is. You clamp that thing on a horsy"s nose and he'll do whatever you want. I have to twitch Jake when the farrier comes.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 11/12/2006 19:49 Comments || Top||

#13  We used a length of rope long enough to cinch around the nose and neck. Far less painful or capable of inflicting lasting damage upon the animal IMO.

You throw a loop around the neck, cinch the rope back throgh the loop and another loop back through that loop. You now have a makeshift halter and the horse (or pony) behaves nicely enough if you have to tighten down the loop around its nose.

Way more control than this thing looks like it gives you too if the big beast decides to get ornery or rowdy.

Posted by: FOTSGreg || 11/12/2006 20:18 Comments || Top||


Africa Subsaharan
Debt-ridden Zim-Bob airline cancels flights
Zimbabwe's troubled state airline has cancelled flights to London, fearing seizure of its aircraft over unpaid debt. Air Zimbabwe board chairman Mike Bhima said a European air safety agency won a court order empowering it to impound the airline's aircraft over an outstanding $2.8m debt. 'As a security measure, our lawyers have advised us to suspend flights pending discussions,' he said.

Passengers booked to London on the airline's three weekly flights were being transferred to British Airways and South African Airways flights. Bhima said the debt to the Agency for the Safety of Air Navigation accrued over the past four years.

Last month, the airline raised fares by up to 500 percent, citing increases in prices of fuel and equipment.
Posted by: Steve White || 11/12/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Instalink!
Posted by: Seafarious || 11/12/2006 17:03 Comments || Top||

#2  uh oh...expect a slowdown in bandwidth :-)
Posted by: Frank G || 11/12/2006 17:13 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Dubai Swats Pests Ogling Beach Beauties
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates, Nov. 11 — Temperatures have dropped from blazing hot to balmy, the turquoise waters now have a refreshing chill and the sand is just about bearable to walk on.

As winter arrives in this Persian Gulf city, the masses are thronging by the tens of thousands to its white sandy beaches, wearing, in an unlikely exercise in maritime coexistence, everything from black flowing abayas to slinky bikinis.

Thronging right alongside them are Dubai’s “beach pests,” the gangs of men who trudge through the sand, fully dressed, to ogle the women. Mostly laborers at the front lines of Dubai’s building boom — toiling on manmade islands, innumerable high-rises, even a dome in the desert for the world’s largest indoor snow park — they flood the beaches every weekend to leer at women, photograph them and occasionally try to grope them in the water.
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Posted by: Steve White || 11/12/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  On a recent day, plainclothes officers stood atop a watchtower as several officers approached a man who had been photographing a group of women. The man and several of his friends were quickly brought up to the air-conditioned watchtower.

lol!

Give that to me! Lemme see! Quick, let's download these to our friends before we delete them off your camera.
Posted by: anon || 11/12/2006 3:41 Comments || Top||

#2  Heh. For Abu Jibjab... eat yer heart out biatch.
(NSFW)
Posted by: .com || 11/12/2006 4:03 Comments || Top||

#3  Nice cross.
Posted by: Shipman || 11/12/2006 7:09 Comments || Top||

#4 
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Posted by: Excalibur || 11/12/2006 9:21 Comments || Top||

#5 
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Posted by: Mick Dundee || 11/12/2006 10:27 Comments || Top||

#6 
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Posted by: .com || 11/12/2006 10:31 Comments || Top||

#7  Obviously, she must be killed.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 11/12/2006 10:43 Comments || Top||

#8  heh, heh
Intentional?
I'm stunned.

Crosses always have that effect on me.
Posted by: Shipman || 11/12/2006 10:52 Comments || Top||

#9  Do you realize the hundreds of images I had to sort thru to find one of a bikini-clad maiden wearing a cross that wouldn't send me to the sinktrap?

It's just the kind of diligent & selfless guy I am, lol.
Posted by: .com || 11/12/2006 10:58 Comments || Top||

#10  a true saint in sin city
Posted by: Frank G || 11/12/2006 10:59 Comments || Top||

#11  Kinda uniquish.
Posted by: .com || 11/12/2006 11:01 Comments || Top||

#12  So! The legendary stash has not been lost!
Posted by: Shipman || 11/12/2006 11:08 Comments || Top||

#13  Yep, women in bikinis hate to be stared at.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 11/12/2006 11:10 Comments || Top||

#14  Oh it's gone, alrighty. This was a fresh kill.
Posted by: .com || 11/12/2006 11:13 Comments || Top||

#15  Something in good taste.... from the stash.

Posted by: Shipman || 11/12/2006 11:21 Comments || Top||

#16  Lol - The Destroyer of Worlds updated, heh.
Posted by: .com || 11/12/2006 11:28 Comments || Top||

#17  Whoever redacted those comments above needs to step back from her monitor and take a break, and stop inflicting her damned "issues" on the rest of us.

Better yet, just leave. You don't belong here.

Posted by: Dave D. || 11/12/2006 12:07 Comments || Top||

#18  Hmmm. I am perplexed by #6 going to the trap.

Aw, screw it.

Robin, that was both arrogant and pointlessly pissy.
Posted by: .com || 11/12/2006 12:30 Comments || Top||

#19  unnecessarily censorious, Robin
Posted by: Frank G || 11/12/2006 12:38 Comments || Top||

#20  Hair triggers all around the 'Berg. Forgive, forget and buy a lid and see what happens next week, is what I sez.

All is cool.

Posted by: Shipman || 11/12/2006 13:10 Comments || Top||

#21  Best to remember that RantBurg is the Blog of peace.
Posted by: Shipman || 11/12/2006 13:12 Comments || Top||

#22  Lol. Gots 'sperience dealin with chilluns, huh?

It is what it is. Fuzzy talk won't make it all better any more 'n the fuzzy thinkin that started the damned thing.
Posted by: .com || 11/12/2006 13:18 Comments || Top||

#23  Fuzzy thinking is lousy.

So are crude comments of the sort Mike Dundee posted.

.com, yours really was okay, I just removed the 3 that went together. Apologies if you were upset. OTOH pictures of women masterbating are a bit OT.

Dave, sorry, I'm not leaving even if you don't share my opinions.
Posted by: lotp || 11/12/2006 13:59 Comments || Top||

#24  Lol. You have decided you're the PC Police - I've seen it demonstrated many times. Personally, I'd prefer someone else be the judge of such things, thank you very much. I think you're well off the norm of the 'Burg.

You'll note that I seldom post pix anymore, though I could easily do so everyday. Raj went begging on another thread, in fact. There's a fair chance that you and I are the poles in this regard and, if that's closer to true than not, then you're not the right person to be popping the button.

The pic is innocuous and was selected specifically for the cross, of course. The rest is your lewd imagination. She prolly plays a lot of baseball and scratches like all ball players do.

Do I think you should be a Mod, she didn't ask?

why no, I don't. Never have, actually.
Posted by: .com || 11/12/2006 14:22 Comments || Top||

#25  If Fred decides he'd rather have that pic linked, and Mike's comment, than have me and other women like me on the site, I'll gladly step aside.
Posted by: lotp || 11/12/2006 14:25 Comments || Top||

#26  Ooooooooooh. Calling out the Sisterhood, are we? So fucking confident that you're all in lockstep, are we?

Shit. Arrogant and pointlessly pissy.
Posted by: .com || 11/12/2006 14:26 Comments || Top||

#27  Go take a cold shower or something and stop getting all pissy yourself.
Posted by: lotp || 11/12/2006 14:28 Comments || Top||

#28  Buzz off.
Posted by: .com || 11/12/2006 14:29 Comments || Top||

#29  Nope. Sorry.
Posted by: lotp || 11/12/2006 14:31 Comments || Top||

#30  lotp, while I'd like to think that all of us here at Rantburg share a common agenda of wanting to end terrorism, it's become increasingly apparent that you are pursuing a separate one of your own. I feel that you have become dangerously close to an apologist for Islam but that is only my opinion, for what it's worth.

You have admitted to editing your posts, although claiming only minor grammatical corrections. At message boards where no one has the ability to do so, such actions are viewed as highly suspect. Furthermore, in at least one instance, it would seem as though you deliberately ignored a crucial refutation of your own position. In this case it revolved around Taj al-Hilali being widely regarded as a moderate Muslim.

I posted extensive evidence in support of this notion when you questioned it only to have you seemingly ignore what amounted to some extensive investigation. It was only until .com pointedly directed your attention to it that you finally broke down and reviewed it without giving much detail as to how your own point of view had been disproven.

I'm going to request that you carefully review the posts and linked articles in today's listing titled, "Egypt: Islamic Link to Gang Rape and Molestation". While it is certainly your right to do so, being a woman, your continued defense of Islam as a worthy creed is increasingly disturbing in light of how horribly women are treated by Muslims.

I'd be rather curious regarding your own response to my post in the thread and how you reconcile the extensive mistreatment of women, sexual child abuse of both girls and boys, including the very apparent causal link between this psycho-sexual trauma and terrorism. Despite your own support for it, it would seem that Islam has no leg to stand upon and I am intensely curious how you go about maintaining your position.

You have edited out some admittedly less-than-tasteful remarks or references from this thread in what appears to be a discouragement of treating women like sexual objects, yet seem to have no problem defending Islam even though its entire doctrine does nothing but treat women like sexual objects. I view this as serious cognitive dissonance and it appears as though others here might feel the same.

Posted by: Zenster || 11/12/2006 14:31 Comments || Top||

#31  "Dave, sorry, I'm not leaving even if you don't share my opinions."

It has nothing to do with "sharing your opinions", as you well know: it has to do with you being less of a Moderator than a neurotic control freak with a "REDACT" button. There's a difference, and you don't seem able to comprehend it.

If you won't leave outright, then at least heed my advice above: take a break from the 'Burg, long enough that by the time you come back, you won't feel this compulsion to inflict your myriad "hot buttons" on the rest of us.

Posted by: Dave D. || 11/12/2006 14:31 Comments || Top||

#32  Sigh. Zenster, I'm no apologist for Islam. I'm quite aware of what the Islamacists are.

I'm also aware of the reasons some people are embracing the religion and I disagree with you that a "kill them all now" approach is practical.

Sorry if that rains on your parade.
Posted by: lotp || 11/12/2006 14:33 Comments || Top||

#33  So are crude comments of the sort Mike Dundee posted.

Crude? There are a LOT cruder ways to say what I did. So, flying flag Bravo are we?

Posted by: Mick Dundee || 11/12/2006 14:33 Comments || Top||

#34 
Oh, I also forgot, the nym is Mick, not Mike.
Posted by: Mick Dundee || 11/12/2006 14:35 Comments || Top||

#35  Ok, you all win.

Fred has one less moderator and reader / contributor.

I'm out of here.
Posted by: lotp || 11/12/2006 14:41 Comments || Top||

#36  Good riddance! You lost any credibility you may have had when you were busted editing your posts. You're sneaky and dishonest, I won't miss you!

Posted by: Mick Dundee || 11/12/2006 14:44 Comments || Top||

#37  sorry to say, but I won't miss you. I too believe you've become to much of a control freak. If the AOS or Emily or Fred or DD or Pappy rebuked me, I would be chagrined, and know I crossed a line. I don't have the same respect for your sense of propriety, Robin
Posted by: Frank G || 11/12/2006 14:47 Comments || Top||

#38  I have not been really active on the Burg for the last five days. This has been due to my construction projects demands, and also for the need to do some introspection on last Tuesday's debacle. I am assembling my assessment and thoughts.

I just went through the sink trap on the redacted comments. Though I do not find them good for mixed company, they are not sink trap material. Rantburg is for ranting. There is going to be a fair bit of snarkiness and some *cough cough* risque references. We are dealing with heavy stuff in the main topics, so people are going to blow off steam. As long as it does not take over the postings, live with it.

The moderator that took this off needs to lighten up, or get out of the moderating business. This is Fred's blog. If he thinks that the snarkiness is getting out of hand, he will advise us, in his usual, witty, elegant, and, need be, highly directive way, as we say in management classes. My two cents worth.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 11/12/2006 14:57 Comments || Top||

#39  OK, I've got the message. As I've said, I'm out of the moderating business and leaving the Burg as well.

Frank, I too have lost respect for a number of people here. It goes both ways.

AP, I've enjoyed the snark here and the "whisky, democracy, sexy" attitude. But I don't enjoy some of the crudity and for .com and others to insist on it dilutes the value of the site for me. If your mileage varies then so be it.

Mick I've already posted about editing my comments and why I've done so.

I recognize that by redacting Mick's crude comment and the 2 that directly addressed it I was making myself a target. Like you all, I've done a lot of reassessing this week.

I wish you all well. May your anger find more useful targets in the coming weeks and months.
Posted by: lotp || 11/12/2006 15:11 Comments || Top||

#40  Insist on it? Exaggerated bullshit.
Posted by: .com || 11/12/2006 15:13 Comments || Top||

#41  I'm no apologist for Islam. I'm quite aware of what the Islamacists are.

But, as a woman, you continue to defend the one single creed that has made an institution out of abusing women. Something is broken inside of you, lotp. I don't know what it is but it certainly interferes with your perception of reality.

I disagree with you that a "kill them all now" approach is practical.

You really don't get it do you? Neither do you read my posts, do you? For the umpteenth time, I DO NOT advocate a "kill them all" approach. Over and over again, I have mentioned how lamentable such a thing would be.

What I have said is that Islam will eventually commit an atrocity of such magnitude that glassing over the MME will no longer be avoidable. An unreformed Islam can no more avert this possibility than they can make rivers run backwards. That DOES NOT equate to a "kill them all" stance.

That you as a moderator, who has been obliged to read many of my posts, insist upon willfully mistating my own repeated position is a complete and total abuse of your powers.

lotp, you DO have a personal agenda and it MOST DEFINITELY interferes with your ability to moderate this board. I, for one, shall not miss your biased actions. Evidently, there are many others who will not as well. I wish you no harm or evil, but your cognitive dissonance is truly revolting. Gooday to you and goodbye.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/12/2006 15:21 Comments || Top||

#42  it has to do with you being less of a Moderator than a neurotic control freak with a "REDACT" button

Same could be said of you, Dave.

As a guy I'd like to say that those comments were highly inappropriate and disrespectful to women and shouldn't really belong here (ultimately Fred makes the decision). As a courtesy to women reading the 'burg, I'd refrain from posting comments like that. After all, it's what officers and gentlemen would do in the presence of women (at least I hope). But then, I've learned long ago that com is neither.

Seems logical to me, lotp. I don't understand why others don't get it.

(cue com's mumblings and possible Vogon poetry and possible placement in the sinktrap)
Posted by: C || 11/12/2006 15:35 Comments || Top||

#43  C. Yup.
Posted by: .com || 11/12/2006 15:42 Comments || Top||

#44  Zenster, you know damned well that lotp doesn't advocate surrender to Islam. She is overworking herself on several projects that directly impact the near-future ability of this country to fight the war against Islamofascism, precisely because she understands how critical it is. If you are not aware of this, it's because you aren't paying attention. You claim an elephantine memory; I suggest you make use of it. Your attitude toward lotp recently has been rude and overbearing, as you insist that she submit to your view of things, ignoring her own knowledge and experiences. And for the record, lots of religions, creeds, beliefs, and otherwise have and are abusing women, as you very well know. I won't insult you by demanding that you choose between Muslim Arab behaviour and that of Black South Africans serially raping babies to cure themselves of AIDS.

lotp dear, I think taking a vacation might be a good idea. You've an awful lot on your plate right now, and Rantburg ought not be on your A list, nor even your B list. The interpersonal dynamic needs to be broken, and time is a critical component for frayed nerves to heal themselves. But if I am forced to choose, I'd rather you do those other things than be so selfish as to insist you come back for me to learn from.

Not long ago there was a discussion here about the behaviour of the Byzantines as they were being besieged or attacked (I don't remember the exact details) by their future Muslim overlords. Various groups kept killing off those they deemed not right thinking, rather than uniting to destroy the enemy of them all, who didn't care how any of them thought so long as they surrendered. That is what I fear I see here.
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/12/2006 16:14 Comments || Top||

#45  I have one thing to say very bluntly and honestly lotp,bye bye.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 11/12/2006 16:20 Comments || Top||

#46  Not sure about your last paragraph, tw. I hope I didn't wreck the WoT by posting a link to tease the Dubai moron.
Posted by: .com || 11/12/2006 16:20 Comments || Top||

#47  Can I join the fray?

Re sinktrapped comments, as C states, they may be a bit ungentlemanly, but they don't seem to be extremely horible. That's it. If lotp just responded "I thought we are all mature adults here"--that would drive the point and perhaps cause a mild embarassment (I wouldn't bet on it ;-), but think a smidget of it for sure).

As for lotp... the commenters are onto something.

Some while ago, I stated that Islam has to go...by whatever means necessary. I was summarily accused of being a genocidal maniac (not in those words but in gist of it) by lotp. She did not ask what these means may be, she just assumed that I meant obliteration via nukes or even something worse, whatever that may be (that someone I don't remember... some kind of smurf... joined in and piled on the genocidal maniac label is beside point). It, frankly, surprised me that lotp did not ask what those means may be and went for the jugular.

I probably missed a bunch of threads, as I see now, because posters here seem to to have noticed a pattern that may shed a light on lotp outburst in my case.

Posted by: twobyfour || 11/12/2006 16:26 Comments || Top||

#48  Some while ago, I stated that Islam has to go...by whatever means necessary...She did not ask what these means may be, she just assumed that I meant obliteration via nukes or even something worse

Just exactly which part of "by whatever means necessary" don't you understand? Seems she was right to dump on you, as you just proved. And then you wonder why you lose elections.
Posted by: C || 11/12/2006 16:38 Comments || Top||

#49  Perhaps you're right, TW, lotp may be overworked and strains her job may influence some responses. I kinda understand, because I find myself in kinda same predicament. I believe I am onto something that may potentially win the war, but haven't yet decided to pursue the idea to make prototypes as it may prove to be a Pandora's box. I don't say this to make myself important, just to illustrate dilemas some of us may face in this strange war.

But the thing is, I was a moderator in several lists and forums and know the territory. It is not a job for everyone and if the moderator tends to be jumpy, it causes more harm than good. 'S just the nature of things and it seems that lotp is not particularly suited for it. Not everyone is.
Posted by: twobyfour || 11/12/2006 16:43 Comments || Top||

#50  C, you do not deserve a dignified reply.
Posted by: twobyfour || 11/12/2006 16:45 Comments || Top||

#51  nice hubris C. If you want to start eliminating options, perhaps you should wonder if the other side is. Condemning someone for what you read into their comments is a mark of a closed mind. Enjoy your little world.
Posted by: Frank G || 11/12/2006 16:45 Comments || Top||

#52  Zenster, you know damned well that lotp doesn't advocate surrender to Islam.

Where in the hell have I ever said such a thing? I said she was acting as "an apologist". There is a huge difference and I'm sure you're well aware of it. Islam, in almost every single one of its manifestations, is intensely abusive to women. For a woman to defend it is unseemly at best and I'll maintain that to my dying day.

That lotp is involved in the fight against Islamofascism and, at the same time, willing to defend Islam (the difference between these two is becoming evermore indistinguishable), strikes me as cognitively dissonant, and I have said so.

I've already seen lotp cherry pick her replies and I find that especially repugnant. Especially, when she took the advice of others to read what I had posted but pointedly made no effort to address me regarding how it disproved her position. I find that to be intellectually dishonest. I am also confident that she has censored my posts when they were far less offensive than those I was confronted with. So, yes, I do sense some sort of agenda.

And for the record, lots of religions, creeds, beliefs, and otherwise have and are abusing women, as you very well know. I won't insult you by demanding that you choose between Muslim Arab behaviour and that of Black South Africans serially raping babies to cure themselves of AIDS.


No problem, I'll choose for you, Muslims. Black or sub-Saharan Africa is light years away from getting or making nuclear weapons. At least unless Iran sells them some. While many black African cultures certainly do manifest a pronounced dislike of whites or Western culture, their own self-imposed primitiveness prevents them from being much of a threat.

Not so with Muslims, Islam and Islamofascism. I lump them together because they have lumped themselves together. Through silence to the point of dissembling, continued overt or tacit support of terrorism and an unwillingness to reform what remains a hideously abusive and violent doctrine, all Islam is rapidly designating itself as a prime candidate for history's dustbin.

Various groups kept killing off those they deemed not right thinking, rather than uniting to destroy the enemy of them all

So long as moderate Muslims cannot bring themselves to vehemently assert the need for Islam's radical reform, they will be the enemy. Get back to me when radical reformists are stacking dead jihadis behind their Mosques like so much cordwood. Until them, Islam, not just Islamofascism, remains a huge threat to over a millennium of progress and I won't tolerate it.

Read the linked article in my first post. Islam will not cease to be a threat until it abandons its institutionalized abuse of women. This abuse may well be the root of terrorism itself and for that reason, I regard any attempt to excuse Islam's abuse of women as de facto toleration of terrorism. This is something I have concluded only in the last few weeks and the concept is going through final testing, but I see nothing to disprove such a notion and everything to support it.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/12/2006 16:53 Comments || Top||

#53  Frank, you forgot to tell me to offer a workable solution or STFU, ie, no criticism allowed.

If you want to start eliminating options, perhaps you should wonder if the other side is.

Extolling that option while we're not even at that point yet is utterly unhelpful and produces unintended consequences.

To be honest, I don't really care what the other side is thinking because I live by my own set of values and will not abandon them. If you wish to misconstrue this as a sign of weakness, then that's your problem, not mine.

Condemning someone for what you read into their comments is a mark of a closed mind.

Frank, I could provide direct proof of where you are guilty of doing exactly this, but I'm not sure you're capable of accepting criticism. It's all too easy to take the com approach and tell someone to buzz off then to admit that, indeed, sometimes the other guy may be right.
Posted by: C || 11/12/2006 17:19 Comments || Top||

#54  bring it on. I say your approach is dhimmitude at best. All options are on the table. Always. To say otherwise is to play 6 card stud against an opponents 7 cards. That's a moment of moral hubris this country can't afford. I say that makes you a dreamer, a narcissist and a tool. Bring it on.
Posted by: Frank G || 11/12/2006 17:32 Comments || Top||

#55  I say all of ye shaddup, both sides.

Yer acting like a bunch Democrats.
Posted by: OldSpook || 11/12/2006 17:38 Comments || Top||

#56  Ok folks LTFU! Drive even the moderates out and this will turn into a hate site. Step back, take a breath, or watch this site go down the shit hole.
Posted by: 49 Pan || 11/12/2006 17:40 Comments || Top||

#57  bring it on

You sure you want it? It will look especially bad on you.
Posted by: C || 11/12/2006 17:44 Comments || Top||

#58  :-)
Posted by: Frank G || 11/12/2006 17:48 Comments || Top||

#59  To be honest, I don't really care what the other side is thinking because I live by my own set of values and will not abandon them. If you wish to misconstrue this as a sign of weakness, then that's your problem, not mine.

Your "own set of values" and the supposedly moral high ground that goes with them doesn't mean jack shit to a bunch of Islamic thugs who would like nothing better than to vaporize you and yours into nuclear steam. If the lives of your loved ones were at stake, I'm confident you'd drop those "values" of yours quicker than a live grenade.

Here's a clue, the time is now. Our civilization is under major assault from a political ideology masquerading as a religion that gives its members permission to lie, cheat, steal, murder, main, terrorize and rape their way through however many innocent men, women and children it takes to achieve global domination.

You can sneer all you like at those of us who actually comprehend this equation, just don't expect us to show much respect for your willful ignorance. This one is for all the marbles. Over a thousand years of hard won progress hangs in the balance. There are those of us who take real offense at the sheer existance of cretins seeking to reverse that. Your smug attitude doesn't cut any ice.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/12/2006 17:56 Comments || Top||

#60  Here's a clue, the time is now. Our civilization is under major assault from a political ideology masquerading as a religion that gives its members permission to lie, cheat, steal, murder, main, terrorize and rape their way through however many innocent men, women and children it takes to achieve global domination.

Succinct, and dead on. Do you mind if I borrow it?
Posted by: Mick Dundee || 11/12/2006 18:21 Comments || Top||

#61  my loss....
Posted by: Frank G || 11/12/2006 18:34 Comments || Top||

#62  Your "own set of values" and the supposedly moral high ground that goes with them

Nothing less, and not much more, than the Constitution by which you live.
Posted by: C || 11/12/2006 18:35 Comments || Top||

#63  abu Jibjab and C - can you tell the diff? C? -Where does the Constitution refer to your position? Penumbras of emanations again?
Posted by: Frank G || 11/12/2006 18:37 Comments || Top||

#64  WHat was the thread topic again?
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 11/12/2006 18:50 Comments || Top||

#65  Sheesh...if there's a spelling sinktrap....#67 qualifies.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 11/12/2006 18:52 Comments || Top||

#66  sorry, I'm not Arab. Boys, sheep, goats and camels need not apply
Posted by: Frank G || 11/12/2006 18:56 Comments || Top||

#67  Whether Frank G likes women or not

Are you worried about it?
Posted by: badanov || 11/12/2006 19:02 Comments || Top||

#68  Well, I just finished reading through the last 60+ comments and I have to admit that not much of it made much sense. I can't believe everybody turned on each other like that and made the threats that they did. In order to make sense of all of this, someone is going to have to repost the picture that started this all so the latecomers like me can figure this out . . . :-)
Posted by: gorb || 11/12/2006 19:03 Comments || Top||

#69  .....
Posted by: Frank G || 11/12/2006 19:07 Comments || Top||

#70  both resignations accepted. Your point, "Rasta"? You do have one, don't you?
Posted by: Frank G || 11/12/2006 19:27 Comments || Top||

#71  It is a rather simple equation: Islam=death.
Islam is a death cult. Islam encourages the faithful to die to go to 'heaven' (which actually sounds like any decent place outside the mooslim world. heh) where life seems very un-islamic. If one follow the big Mo's orders, you will get wine and women in the hereafter. Heh. Compared to life for the average arab/mooslim, this sounds pretty damn good. So, a trip to the beach is hot for the average joe jihad.

I grew up in Soddiland (58-70) and never really had any problems with arabs. I had no real problems with arabs until 1983, Beirut. Then I started to watch closely and learn more. Then 9/11 happened, mass murderers were doing this for God and I said the myself "WTF is that"?

So I started to learn about Islam's teachings and history (I even ordered a free and REALLY nice Koran from CAIR. Heh).

I was completely shocked by the mooslim belief systems and actions over the years. Absolutely heinous acts and in the name of God. What a load of crap islam is.
That is one of the reasons I come to RB. Good information and like-minded folks.

Peace through superior firepower. Amen.
Posted by: Brett || 11/12/2006 19:28 Comments || Top||

#72  WTF? Did I write THAT? Sheesh. Need to get home earlier on sat night.
Posted by: Brett || 11/12/2006 19:31 Comments || Top||

#73  #81 watch this site go down the shit hole.
Yes thanks
Posted by: Rasta 2006-11-12 19:41


well, they allowed YOU in...
Posted by: Frank G || 11/12/2006 19:46 Comments || Top||

#74  Observation; We start feeding upon ourselves and the Trolls start thinkin' they actually matter.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 11/12/2006 20:30 Comments || Top||

#75  I've watched as the folks here have acted more and more like democrats as Nov. 7 came closer. I predicted a Trunk bloodbath 6 months ago and got dumped on for it. I wasn't smarter, just more frustrated. Disagreement through superior invective. Works a lot better to disagree and argue with ideas than to namecall and to consign to the outer darkness. Pretty unpleasant and unrefined for no good reason.

That said, too bad that we have been infected with PC to point where words are now more than words.
Posted by: SR-71 || 11/12/2006 20:45 Comments || Top||

#76  Succinct, and dead on. Do you mind if I borrow it?

Mick Dundee, I'd be honored if you did.

Nothing less, and not much more, than the Constitution by which you live.

Notice how just about any part of the constitution can be suspended in a time of war? There's a valid reason for that. I dearly love the constitution, I feel it is one of the most well-thought out documents ever assembled by the hand of man. The foresight and vision of our founding fathers was nothing less than prescient.

I'll also add that our constitutional rights do not apply to our enemies as neither do the Geneva Conventions. C, you can feel free to elaborate here, or some other time, about what aspects of the constitution you foresee being violated in our fight against terrorism. I happen to believe that America is worth saving at all costs and that we had better be prepared for a long, dirty war with a rapacious foe who will stop at nothing to kill every last one of us.

You'd probably find that a huge number of people here would agree with the "values" you're referring to. Personally, I liked the plea you made for more civil conduct here. I've been more than a little disappointed at how people have reduced themselve to making personal and offensive attacks in the midst of what should be factual debate.

I'll freely admit that my own language has been subject to quite a bit less self-censorship in the last few months. This is a direct reflection of my frustration with how little change there has been with respect to Islam's need for reformation. I'll cheerfully note that I pretty much refuse to allow my language to descend into sexist tripe, because I believe that no one here needs to hear it.

I also have strong confidence in Fred and the majority of moderators that they will not let this place devolve into a putrid hate site. Every indication is that these good people scrupulously avoid giving bigotry and discrimination a free ride at this place. For that, they have my genuine respect. I do not hang out at other boards specifically because of this.

Posted by: Zenster || 11/12/2006 20:53 Comments || Top||

#77  #85, Rex: GREAT observation! While I'm a casual poster here, and I'll refuse to jump on lotp, I think she did have an itchy trigger finger. Maybe Mick's comment was overboard, but for that, we DO NOT need to turn on each other. This war is gonna get a LOT nastier before it gets better, and I've almost (I stress, almost) come around to Zen's POV. I don't want to make the entire MME a sea of glass, but ONCE (I don't think it's an "if") they get nukes and/or some other WMD, they will use it. They WILL over-reach and force us to retaliate in a way Americans haven't conceived of since 1945. Just my $.02.

And, I echo OS's comment in #55. A LOT of people sound like whiny Donks around here (including the lot of trolls that've shown up lately). We need each other more than ever now. While I won't miss some posters, if they should so choose to leave, I do NOT want the 'burg to become a self-absorbed echo chamber to the exclusion of ALL dissent. We lost, so what? Yes, we may very well get hit again because of what happened last Tuesday. But, we my have been heading that way anyways because of the CONSTANT MSM drumming of EVERY SINGLE THING President Bush does to protect us (the NSA "leak", the push to shut down Gitmo, the daily body count in Iraq, etc., etc., etc.). BUT, we need to be above it all, continue to monitor those who are our enemies (both foreign and domestic) AND offer REAL solutions to how to fight this war (and the coming battles in this war) in the hamstrung, P.C. world we live in.
Posted by: BA || 11/12/2006 20:59 Comments || Top||

#78  That said, too bad that we have been infected with PC to point where words are now more than words.

I think today was a step towards eliminating some of that PC mentality. "Civil, well-reasoned discourse" is alive and well at Rantburg and "words" still have meaning to those of us who are willing to use them in rational debate.

Don't sell Rantburg short, SR-71. A lot of fine work has gone into making this one of the most free-thinking and un-PC locations on the entire web. This was a much needed process of sorting things out that has been building for quite a few months now. I see no reason for it to signify any decline in or loss of quality. I strongly doubt Fred and the moderators would put up with that.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/12/2006 21:05 Comments || Top||

#79  Bit of advice.

Before you post in anger, type it up, then walk away for 5 minutes. Go drink a beer, or walk around the block, or watch the golf channel.

Then come back - DO NOT read the thred, just read your response, by itself, without context.

See if your words are really the ones you want to leave here to represent you in perpetuity.

And see if you can just close the window and be done with it.




Posted by: OldSpook || 11/12/2006 21:07 Comments || Top||

#80  This war is gonna get a LOT nastier before it gets better, and I've almost (I stress, almost) come around to Zen's POV. I don't want to make the entire MME a sea of glass, but ONCE (I don't think it's an "if") they get nukes and/or some other WMD, they will use it. They WILL over-reach and force us to retaliate in a way Americans haven't conceived of since 1945.

BA, you seem to imply that I'm all for glassing over the MME right away. Please clarify if that is, indeed, what you think. If you, as I do, believe that such a horror is inevitable due to Islam's congential habit of overreaching itself, that's another matter. I'm sick and tired of having to make this point, as I'm sure this board is of hearing me make it, but I must defend my position when it is intentionally distorted.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/12/2006 21:26 Comments || Top||

#81  See if your words are really the ones you want to leave here to represent you in perpetuity.

Spot on, OldSpook!

Posted by: Zenster || 11/12/2006 21:30 Comments || Top||

#82  Tossing Robin overboard here at the 'Burg is not helpful to the greater War on Terror, gents.

The ladies at the beach in Dubai have the right not to be ogled and threatened by the serfs on their lunch break and the ladies at Rantburg ought to be able to participate without having phrases like "whisker biscuits" tossed in our faces. I have overlooked several instances of that kind of language here, but I don't like it and I support Robin's decision to redact in this case. I personally hope she doesn't leave for good, but if she finds her time is spent better elsewhere, I understand.
Posted by: Seafarious || 11/12/2006 21:31 Comments || Top||

#83 
Ahem.
Posted by: anonymous2u || 11/12/2006 21:39 Comments || Top||

#84  Zen, you are correct. I'm not calling for sea of glass up front. But, we all know they will over reach and we'll be forced to respond in kind. Methinks a round of MOABs/Daisy Cutters would be first, but if they get nasty enough, we'll have NO choice but to go nuclear. Western civilization MUST be saved at ANY cost. The opposing option (Dar-al-Islam) is NO world I want to live in, or have my kids and (future tense) grandkids live in.
Posted by: BA || 11/12/2006 21:41 Comments || Top||

#85  Zenster, we are talking past each other, but let me just say this: attack Islam all you want, exposing it for what it is, but leave the gate open for those who want to leave that darkness. You'll win allies that way, or more precisely, you won't lose the ones you have.

BA: While I'm a casual poster here, and I'll refuse to jump on lotp, I think she did have an itchy trigger finger.

As does Dave, Pappy, and a few others. It's not fair to pick on lotp.

Thank you, Seafarious, for speaking up and backing lotp.

BTW, am I the only one who thinks Fred's silence is deafening?? Hello? Is this thing on?
Posted by: C || 11/12/2006 21:51 Comments || Top||

#86  As I guy, I wouldn't want to see an overabundance in the way of naked guy pix and the like, so I can see lotp's motivation that she doesn't want things to get out of hand, but I think she overreacted. Perhaps Fred can give her an "ADMONISH" button or something instead of a howitzer.

lotp, please don't disappear. I appreciate your postings, and I'm sure the rest do even though they may be too worked up to have admitted so at the time.

I put this one under the category "female misunderstanding of male humor". Ladies, I know several women who have asked to be treated like one of the guys. So we give it a shot and it always fails. Always. And it is always because she feels insulted by something that was never intended to be an insult. There is something about male humor that you will only understand if you are a male. For the most part it is not meant as an insult in any way. If it is, you'll know it. Guys are very visual. They are usually messing around with the other guy's visualizations, and it's funny. If it gets away from being a visual thing, then it might be an insult! :-)
Posted by: gorb || 11/12/2006 21:53 Comments || Top||

#87  Pfeh, Sea. Nobody tossed anyone, someone jumped. Twice.

And I guess we know who's sportin' the Symbolic Big Willie now, too, given your redaction of a2u.

Get a good grip on it.

Sheesh.
Posted by: .com || 11/12/2006 21:54 Comments || Top||

#88  C / Contrarian / Chucklehead - Direct me to anything substantive you've ever posted here. You snip and snipe and piss and moan. Still looking for a Blog-Pal, someone who'll be your buddy? Just keep butterin whatever moves.

So when are you going to dazzle us with your expertise, your deep knowledge of whatever (Military Affairs? Islam? Terrorism? Pizza Toppings?) and how it applies to the articles and topics RB focuses upon?

"Frank, you forgot to tell me to offer a workable solution or STFU, ie, no criticism allowed."

I could've guessed that a Dhimmi would draw that conclusion - missing the point entirely. BTW, I'm the one who stomped you that day, not Frank. Today is your day to be made a fool of by Frank.
Posted by: .com || 11/12/2006 21:59 Comments || Top||

#89  Rex Mundi - We're not "feeding upon ourselves" - we're just postin honest comments.

And trolls always think that they matter - that's why they troll.
Posted by: .com || 11/12/2006 22:03 Comments || Top||

#90  Direct me to anything substantive you've ever posted here.

And you? I mean, besides your schtick about Saudi, which you somehow believe to be unique. What else have you got to offer besides Vogon poetry and your extensive porn collection?

I could've guessed that a Dhimmi would draw that conclusion - missing the point entirely. BTW, I'm the one who stomped you that day, not Frank.

LOL. Yes, only you know the truth so whatever I say will obviously miss the point.

You and Frank seem to back each other up so that's why I included that reminder.
Posted by: C || 11/12/2006 22:16 Comments || Top||

#91  And you? I mean, besides your schtick about Saudi, which you somehow believe to be unique. What else have you got to offer besides Vogon poetry and your extensive porn collection?

Lol. Classic non-answer / redirection. The answer is NOTHING. I actually do know a bit about the M.E., but 90% of the folks here have heard the specific - and I don't belabor the point - which I guess you would. The fact is, you're just gracing us with your social criticisms, which are completely pointless and superfluous.

How long have you been around, sonny? I seriously doubt, given your foolish notions about Islam and other topics, that anything I've posted would be of interest to you, anyway.

LOL. Yes, only you know the truth so whatever I say will obviously miss the point.

Another non-answer. The fact is, you're a socialist, a whiner, a crybaby, a burden - that's why my posts don't work for you. You're a classic "What have you done for me lately?" Dhimmi and I'm an American - I buckle down and get the job done.

Isn't there some whiny-assed Toronto Blog'o'Hug you could constructively post to? You ain't doing dick here.
Posted by: .com || 11/12/2006 22:26 Comments || Top||

#92  Zen, you are correct. I'm not calling for sea of glass up front. But, we all know they will over reach and we'll be forced to respond in kind. Methinks a round of MOABs/Daisy Cutters would be first, but if they get nasty enough, we'll have NO choice but to go nuclear. Western civilization MUST be saved at ANY cost. The opposing option (Dar-al-Islam) is NO world I want to live in, or have my kids and (future tense) grandkids live in.

Neither am I calling for the Windex treatment right now, so we evidently agree on many points, BA.

Zenster, we are talking past each other

Ummm ... no. You might be talking past me, but I have been directing substantive points towards you, which are pretty much going unaddressed. That's your choice, so be it. As you can see, it doesn't cut a lot of ice around here.

attack Islam all you want, exposing it for what it is, but leave the gate open for those who want to leave that darkness. You'll win allies that way, or more precisely, you won't lose the ones you have.

The gate is always open for those who wish to leave Islam. What I see is an Westbound train to Reformville pulling away from the station empty. There's also nobody on the platform trying to change how things work back at the whistlestop. All of this tells me that the West must operate on the assumption that no one from within the Muslim world is going to be of much use in helping us prevent Islam from running wild.

Muslims have voluntarily surrendered up the reins to a handful of psychotic drivers who are pointing this Islamic juggernaut straight at Western civilization. I have no intention of being roadkill. If we have to take the wheels off its engine, or even blow their runaway train clean off of its rails and tear up the roadbed, the time to start doing it is now.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/12/2006 22:41 Comments || Top||

#93  Gah! Coding tags, why do they hate us?

Zen, you are correct. I'm not calling for sea of glass up front. But, we all know they will over reach and we'll be forced to respond in kind. Methinks a round of MOABs/Daisy Cutters would be first, but if they get nasty enough, we'll have NO choice but to go nuclear. Western civilization MUST be saved at ANY cost. The opposing option (Dar-al-Islam) is NO world I want to live in, or have my kids and (future tense) grandkids live in.

Neither am I calling for the Windex treatment right now, so we evidently agree on many points, BA.

Zenster, we are talking past each other

Ummm ... no. You might be talking past me, but I have been directing substantive points towards you, which are pretty much going unaddressed. That's your choice, so be it. As you can see, it doesn't cut a lot of ice around here.

attack Islam all you want, exposing it for what it is, but leave the gate open for those who want to leave that darkness. You'll win allies that way, or more precisely, you won't lose the ones you have.

The gate is always open for those who wish to leave Islam. What I see is an Westbound train to Reformville pulling away from the station empty. There's also nobody on the platform trying to change how things work back at the whistlestop. All of this tells me that the West must operate on the assumption that no one from within the Muslim world is going to be of much use in helping us prevent Islam from running wild.

Muslims have voluntarily surrendered up the reins to a handful of psychotic drivers who are pointing this Islamic juggernaut straight at Western civilization. I have no intention of being roadkill. If we have to take the wheels off its engine, or even blow their runaway train clean off of its rails and tear up the roadbed, the time to start doing it is now.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/12/2006 22:46 Comments || Top||

#94  *yaaaaawn*

Don't worry, I'm not sticking around. I only waded in because lotp announced she's leaving, which is a shame because she was a voice of reason here.
Posted by: C || 11/12/2006 22:48 Comments || Top||

#95  Don't worry, I'm not sticking around.

It's a free country web. At least we found one thing to agree upon.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/12/2006 23:01 Comments || Top||

#96  C, are you, perchance, lotp's twin? For a fleeting moment I had that kind of impression.

No matter. All I can say regarding your intentions to not stick around is that there must be a place where they'll appreciate you.
Posted by: twobyfour || 11/12/2006 23:16 Comments || Top||

#97  there must be a place where they'll appreciate you.

It's probably in the US. Seems there's more people like me there then you would believe. Last Tuesday is proof positive. So I guess my social criticisms aren't completely pointless.
Posted by: C || 11/12/2006 23:24 Comments || Top||

#98  So I guess my social criticisms aren't completely pointless.

Pointless? No, more like futile. .com has you nailed, C. He can scrape out more content from beneath his little toenail than you'll post in a week month of Sundays.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/12/2006 23:53 Comments || Top||

#99  Her hand is obstructing the view of her whisker biscuit.
Posted by: Mick Dundee || 11/12/2006 10:27 Comments || Top||

#100  Which reminds me of some vulgar Quebec slang about "making the Cross".
Posted by: Excalibur || 11/12/2006 9:21 Comments || Top||

#101  Both the cross and the obstructed view were intentional. ;-)
Posted by: .com || 11/12/2006 10:31 Comments || Top||

#102  Coconuts !

Not for frank G then...
Posted by: Rasta || 11/12/2006 18:14 Comments || Top||

#103  Well first Rumsfeld now Robin

Hahahahaha
Posted by: Rasta || 11/12/2006 19:20 Comments || Top||

#104  Yes

First Iraq, second the Republicans follow...
Posted by: Rasta || 11/12/2006 19:38 Comments || Top||

#105  watch this site go down the shit hole.

Yes thanks
Posted by: Rasta || 11/12/2006 19:41 Comments || Top||

#106  abu Jibjab - can you tell the diff?

Well said Frank, I can't either
Posted by: Hibjobol Abjub || 11/12/2006 18:44 Comments || Top||

#107  Whether Frank G likes women or not
Posted by: Hibjobol Abjub || 11/12/2006 18:53 Comments || Top||

#108  Cousins, ah yes Frank a product of the flyover
Posted by: Hibjobol Abjub || 11/12/2006 19:01 Comments || Top||

#109  Well yes

Eee awww
Posted by: Hibjobol Abjub || 11/12/2006 19:05 Comments || Top||

#110  Yup the pubs have done that already !

Go Bush go
Posted by: Rasta || 11/12/2006 19:56 Comments || Top||

#111  #46 Not sure about your last paragraph, tw. I hope I didn't wreck the WoT by posting a link to tease the Dubai moron.

Hehe, I think you morons can do that yourself !
Posted by: Hibjobol Abjub || 11/12/2006 19:53 Comments || Top||

#112  After seeing Linsday Lohan's crotch, can't be any worse here......
Posted by: anonymous2u || 11/12/2006 21:39 Comments || Top||


Europe
French war chest may have gone on 'dancing girls'
French intelligence chiefs yesterday faced embarrassment after it emerged that £18m from a secret emergency war chest had gone missing and that some of it may have been spent on what one spymaster called “dancing girls”, writes Matthew Campbell.

Judges investigating a separate affair learnt of the missing funds from a note written by General Philippe Rondot, a former intelligence chief, to Michèle Alliot-Marie, the defence minister, in 2002.

It mentions a "serious breakdown in the management of special funds allotted to the service". The money was part of a fund established secretly after the second world war. It was maintained during the cold war to finance a French state in exile if the country were ever invaded by the Soviets.

According to Le Parisien newspaper, the money was controlled by a handful of agents. No records were kept and details of bank accounts around the world were passed to successors only by word of mouth.

The money was supposed to be available "in case of crises or major operations to be undertaken urgently", Rondot wrote, "and not to entertain the dancing girls of a few out-of-control contacts of the DGSE" (the French overseas intelligence service).

Rondot's notes were seized by judges investigating the Clearstream affair, which came to light when an anonymous letter gave details of supposed payments made through a clearing house to French officials including Nicolas Sarkozy, the interior minister and likely centre right presidential candidate in next year’s elections.

The details turned out to have been fabricated, however, and the judges, who questioned Alliot-Marie on Friday, were trying to determine if Dominique de Villepin, the prime minister, tried to use the affair to discredit Sarkozy, his chief political rival.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 11/12/2006 08:12 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Btw, there's a coming book which include claims the once-mentioned-but-quickly-buried secret japanese bank account of yacoub ben shiraq is indeed real, according to DGSE investigations.

What's the big deal?

Well, at the time, the amount of money in it was... 300 millions francs (about 45 millions euros, or $60 millions). Yacoub seems to have prepared his retirement well, thanks to his ME Masters friends.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 11/12/2006 9:05 Comments || Top||

#2  Huck: So what happened to the bank?
Jim: It went bust.
Huck: What happened?
Jim: Bank bought a cow with a tumor in it's stomach, it's supposed to be good luck.

/paraphrase
Posted by: Shipman || 11/12/2006 10:56 Comments || Top||

#3  Sorry to disappoint my fellow rantburgers but "danseuses" ie dancing girls is more or less synonym with what you call white elephants (ie useless, borribly expensive, but prestigios and cherished by the decsion maker, projects).
Posted by: JFM || 11/12/2006 11:24 Comments || Top||

#4  We knew that.
Posted by: Robert F Cleagle || 11/12/2006 11:33 Comments || Top||

#5  Oh, so the money went to Airbus, then?
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 11/12/2006 12:01 Comments || Top||

#6  Durn. So it's not a Madame Claude III scandal, eh?
Posted by: mrp || 11/12/2006 12:06 Comments || Top||

#7  Damn. I was hoping for some pictures...
Posted by: Raj || 11/12/2006 12:56 Comments || Top||

#8  And a dancing girl graphic at the 'Burg.
Posted by: Excalibur || 11/12/2006 15:07 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Intrepid Sez No to Bayonne
NEW YORK - After hearing appeals from several members of Congress, the mayor of New York City and the state governor, the U.S. Navy has agreed to spend about $3 million to rescue the USS Intrepid, the retired aircraft carrier that has been trapped in the mud off Manhattan since Monday.
Hell, why not, it's 2001 again. Anyone heard word from bother Condit?
A Navy salvage team will engineer a second effort to free the Intrepid from the mucky bottom of the Hudson River, Bill White, president of the Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum, said Saturday.

The Intrepid was bound for a dry dock in Bayonne, N.J., and the first stage of a two-year overhaul, when a team of tugboats failed to pull it more than 15 feet from its berth Monday.
Threaten it with Camden, Bayonne will start looking better.
Since then, White and his staff have huddled with officials of the Navy and the Army Corps of Engineers to draw up a foolproof plan to move the ship to Bayonne. After surveying the situation, the Navy determined that the Intrepid is in a "precarious" position, with its stern end sitting on a mound of mud about 2 feet higher than its bow, federal officials said Saturday.
Stressy situation for the olde gal.

The secretary of the Navy responded by agreeing to send a salvage team to New York to help prepare the ship for towing, the Navy Sea Systems Command in Washington said.

Posted by: 6 || 11/12/2006 10:03 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ..I am told by an acquaintance who has knowledge of such things, that Intrepid's hull is NOT in good shape at all, and may be seriously distorted - that's why she still wouldn't move even after they were sure the dredges had cleared enough mud. Bringing the USN in may have been the only possible option at this point, and they still don't know what they'll find when they get her to Bayonne.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 11/12/2006 15:08 Comments || Top||

#2  "15 feet" > might as well say it didn't budge an inch.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 11/12/2006 23:23 Comments || Top||


Mississippians Rise Up Over Rangel's Comment
It was a remark, says Representative Charles B. Rangel, uttered with regional pride rather than rancor. But he apologized nonetheless. On Wednesday, the day after the Democrats won a House majority, Mr. Rangel, the Harlem Democrat poised to become chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, which writes tax legislation, talked about winning back more of the tax revenue that New York State sends to the Treasury. He said, “Mississippi gets more than their fair share back in federal money, but who the hell wants to live in Mississippi?”

Apparently, a lot of people do, and they are not shy about saying so. Charles W. Pickering Jr., a Mississippi Republican and a colleague of Mr. Rangel’s, was the first to publicly take umbrage. He reacted as if he and his state had been slapped with a glove. “Mr. Rangel owes the people of Mississippi an apology,” he said in a statement. “I hope his remarks are not the kind of insults, slander and defamation that Mississippians will come to expect from the Democrat leadership in Washington, D.C.”

Mr. Pickering, who is from Laurel, Miss., marched to his peroration. “From the coast to the Delta to the Pine Belt to the hills and across Mississippi,” he said, “there is beauty in every city, charity in every heart, love in every church, and majesty in every countryside.”
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: Fred || 11/12/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  And they're off!
Posted by: Shipman || 11/12/2006 7:19 Comments || Top||

#2  Rangel and Pelosi are quickly implementing The Right-Wing Bloggers' Relief Act of 2007. A new subject to blog about every day!
Posted by: Jonathan || 11/12/2006 13:31 Comments || Top||

#3  "George Bush is our Bull Connor."

Representative Charles B. Rangel (D-NY/Harlem)
September 22, 2005
Posted by: DepotGuy || 11/12/2006 13:35 Comments || Top||

#4  ...The good citizens of Mississippi - and all the other Red states - had better get used to it. For at least the next two years, Congress will be telling them that THEY are what's wrong with this country, and that THEY had better shape up before the Democrats do it for them.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 11/12/2006 15:02 Comments || Top||

#5  I, for one, who has been to the Coast of Mississippi numerous times for work (both before and after Katrina) applaud the good people of Mississippi, of ALL races. THEY are what this country's all about. Got hit by the mother of all hurricanes, pulled themselves up by the bootstraps and got on with life. Compare that to the Democratic People's Republic of New Orleans and how they reacted to Katrina, and that one story sums up the Donks vs. the Repubs. in this country.
Posted by: BA || 11/12/2006 20:14 Comments || Top||

#6  RANGEL > Publicly yoting for NATIONAL CANTONIZATION-ENCLAVIZATION afore quietly/
silently voting against it??? DEFEATING SOCIALIST-GOVT REGRESSIONISMS BEFORE IT STARTS??? As for Californey, the Fed is the One, and only One, whom isn't giving enuff $$$ to save the Catfish + Gumbo. FEDERAL SPENDING [Year 2006 elex SSSSSSHHHHHHH issues], don't ya know.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 11/12/2006 23:46 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
anti-gay landscapers lose $1k, gain $40k
Business has been booming for Houston area landscaping company that refused to work for a gay couple.

Garden Guy Inc. owners Sabrina and Todd Farber were flooded with threats, hate mail and letters of support after their e-mail was circulated on the Internet, The New York Times said Saturday.

Sabrina Farber said the company eventually picked up about $40,000 in new business while losing only two customers with about $500 each.

Sabrina Farber said after a potential customer mentioned his partner, she sent him an e-mail saying: 'I need to tell you that we cannot meet with you because we choose not to work for homosexuals.'

An American Civil Liberties Union attorney said the law appears to favor the Farbers, saying sexual orientation was not protected under federal commerce-related law.

The Association of Professional Landscape Designers condemned the couple`s action and instated a requirement for members to abide by an anti-discrimination clause, the Times said.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 11/12/2006 19:06 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:


Home Front Economy
Beyond Globalization: Company outsources to planet with 40 hour day, 940 day year.
From the most respected name in major media, Weekly World News.
NEW YORK, N.Y.--OMS Global Services, Inc. has negotiated a deal to outsource its back-office accounting, insurance claim, and credit-card processing operations to nearby uninhabited planet Tau Indi-B by century's end.
"Over my dead body!" declares Pat Buchanan, who will be 162 years old by then.
"We've got 40 hours in the day there," said Dan Myers, a spokesman for the company. "Our competitors won't be able to match that kind of productivity."
"And they thought 40 cents an hour and 12 hours a day was a good deal in India. It beats the heck out of prison labor too, especially for credit card processing."
Myers' firm will house its employees in an inflatable habitat on Tau Indi's surface.
"A Lot more comfortable than that run-down French hotel in Hanoi," he added.
"The campus will feature a convention center, a recreational sports facility, and a schedule full of corporate outings to give workers plenty of fresh air," Myers said.
Does Bill Gates know about this? He's already taken over one planet, why not another?
He added that the planet's gravity--which is five times greater than Earth's--will certainly challenge exercisers in the rec center.
Perfect for Nike, too.
"Also, the company has generously agreed to provide full retirement benefits once workers reach age 65 on the planet."
Read the fine print.
"But if you're counting in Earth years, that means nobody gets a gold watch before they're 278," said labor attorney Terry Dalton, who is opposed to the move and believes he can bring OMS back to Earth.
Jeffrey Skilling will work out the details if they can spring him. The US has no extradition treaty with Tau Indi-B.
"By the company's own logic, nobody's a legal adult before their 77th birthday," he said.
BTW, are we sure Kenneth Lay is dead?
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 11/12/2006 00:58 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Test comment.
Posted by: Fred || 11/12/2006 20:48 Comments || Top||

#2  Gotta get past George Jetson's flying/space car first, boyz. In time, though.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 11/12/2006 23:37 Comments || Top||



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