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2006-11-12 Arabia

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Posted by Steve White 2006-11-12 00:00|| || Front Page|| [9 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 On a recent day, plainclothes officers stood atop a watchtower as several officers approached a man who had been photographing a group of women. The man and several of his friends were quickly brought up to the air-conditioned watchtower.

lol!

Give that to me! Lemme see! Quick, let's download these to our friends before we delete them off your camera.

Posted by anon 2006-11-12 03:41|| 2006-11-12 03:41|| Front Page Top

#2 Heh. For Abu Jibjab... eat yer heart out biatch.
(NSFW)

Posted by .com 2006-11-12 04:03|| 2006-11-12 04:03|| Front Page Top

#3 Nice cross.

Posted by Shipman 2006-11-12 07:09|| 2006-11-12 07:09|| Front Page Top

Redacted by moderator. Comments may be redacted for trolling, violation of standards of good manners, or plain stupidity. Please correct the condition that applies and try again. Contents may be viewed in the sinktrap. Further violations may result in banning.

Posted by Excalibur 2006-11-12 09:21|| 2006-11-12 09:21|| Front Page Top

Posted by Mick Dundee 2006-11-12 10:27|| 2006-11-12 10:27|| Front Page Top

Posted by .com 2006-11-12 10:31|| 2006-11-12 10:31|| Front Page Top

#7 Obviously, she must be killed.

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-11-12 10:43|| 2006-11-12 10:43|| Front Page Top

#8 heh, heh
Intentional?
I'm stunned.

Crosses always have that effect on me.

Posted by Shipman 2006-11-12 10:52|| 2006-11-12 10:52|| Front Page Top

#9 Do you realize the hundreds of images I had to sort thru to find one of a bikini-clad maiden wearing a cross that wouldn't send me to the sinktrap?

It's just the kind of diligent & selfless guy I am, lol.

Posted by .com 2006-11-12 10:58|| 2006-11-12 10:58|| Front Page Top

#10 a true saint in sin city

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-11-12 10:59|| 2006-11-12 10:59|| Front Page Top

#11 Kinda uniquish.

Posted by .com 2006-11-12 11:01|| 2006-11-12 11:01|| Front Page Top

#12 So! The legendary stash has not been lost!

Posted by Shipman 2006-11-12 11:08|| 2006-11-12 11:08|| Front Page Top

#13 Yep, women in bikinis hate to be stared at.

Posted by Anonymoose 2006-11-12 11:10|| 2006-11-12 11:10|| Front Page Top

#14 Oh it's gone, alrighty. This was a fresh kill.

Posted by .com 2006-11-12 11:13|| 2006-11-12 11:13|| Front Page Top

#15 Something in good taste.... from the stash.

Posted by Shipman 2006-11-12 11:21|| 2006-11-12 11:21|| Front Page Top

#16 Lol - The Destroyer of Worlds updated, heh.

Posted by .com 2006-11-12 11:28|| 2006-11-12 11:28|| Front Page Top

#17 Whoever redacted those comments above needs to step back from her monitor and take a break, and stop inflicting her damned "issues" on the rest of us.

Better yet, just leave. You don't belong here.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2006-11-12 12:07|| 2006-11-12 12:07|| Front Page Top

#18 Hmmm. I am perplexed by #6 going to the trap.

Aw, screw it.

Robin, that was both arrogant and pointlessly pissy.

Posted by .com 2006-11-12 12:30|| 2006-11-12 12:30|| Front Page Top

#19 unnecessarily censorious, Robin

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-11-12 12:38|| 2006-11-12 12:38|| Front Page Top

#20 Hair triggers all around the 'Berg. Forgive, forget and buy a lid and see what happens next week, is what I sez.

All is cool.

Posted by Shipman 2006-11-12 13:10|| 2006-11-12 13:10|| Front Page Top

#21 Best to remember that RantBurg is the Blog of peace.

Posted by Shipman 2006-11-12 13:12|| 2006-11-12 13:12|| Front Page Top

#22 Lol. Gots 'sperience dealin with chilluns, huh?

It is what it is. Fuzzy talk won't make it all better any more 'n the fuzzy thinkin that started the damned thing.

Posted by .com 2006-11-12 13:18|| 2006-11-12 13:18|| Front Page Top

#23 Fuzzy thinking is lousy.

So are crude comments of the sort Mike Dundee posted.

.com, yours really was okay, I just removed the 3 that went together. Apologies if you were upset. OTOH pictures of women masterbating are a bit OT.

Dave, sorry, I'm not leaving even if you don't share my opinions.

Posted by lotp 2006-11-12 13:59|| 2006-11-12 13:59|| Front Page Top

#24 Lol. You have decided you're the PC Police - I've seen it demonstrated many times. Personally, I'd prefer someone else be the judge of such things, thank you very much. I think you're well off the norm of the 'Burg.

You'll note that I seldom post pix anymore, though I could easily do so everyday. Raj went begging on another thread, in fact. There's a fair chance that you and I are the poles in this regard and, if that's closer to true than not, then you're not the right person to be popping the button.

The pic is innocuous and was selected specifically for the cross, of course. The rest is your lewd imagination. She prolly plays a lot of baseball and scratches like all ball players do.

Do I think you should be a Mod, she didn't ask?

why no, I don't. Never have, actually.

Posted by .com 2006-11-12 14:22|| 2006-11-12 14:22|| Front Page Top

#25 If Fred decides he'd rather have that pic linked, and Mike's comment, than have me and other women like me on the site, I'll gladly step aside.

Posted by lotp 2006-11-12 14:25|| 2006-11-12 14:25|| Front Page Top

#26 Ooooooooooh. Calling out the Sisterhood, are we? So fucking confident that you're all in lockstep, are we?

Shit. Arrogant and pointlessly pissy.

Posted by .com 2006-11-12 14:26|| 2006-11-12 14:26|| Front Page Top

#27 Go take a cold shower or something and stop getting all pissy yourself.

Posted by lotp 2006-11-12 14:28|| 2006-11-12 14:28|| Front Page Top

#28 Buzz off.

Posted by .com 2006-11-12 14:29|| 2006-11-12 14:29|| Front Page Top

#29 Nope. Sorry.

Posted by lotp 2006-11-12 14:31|| 2006-11-12 14:31|| Front Page Top

#30 lotp, while I'd like to think that all of us here at Rantburg share a common agenda of wanting to end terrorism, it's become increasingly apparent that you are pursuing a separate one of your own. I feel that you have become dangerously close to an apologist for Islam but that is only my opinion, for what it's worth.

You have admitted to editing your posts, although claiming only minor grammatical corrections. At message boards where no one has the ability to do so, such actions are viewed as highly suspect. Furthermore, in at least one instance, it would seem as though you deliberately ignored a crucial refutation of your own position. In this case it revolved around Taj al-Hilali being widely regarded as a moderate Muslim.

I posted extensive evidence in support of this notion when you questioned it only to have you seemingly ignore what amounted to some extensive investigation. It was only until .com pointedly directed your attention to it that you finally broke down and reviewed it without giving much detail as to how your own point of view had been disproven.

I'm going to request that you carefully review the posts and linked articles in today's listing titled, "Egypt: Islamic Link to Gang Rape and Molestation". While it is certainly your right to do so, being a woman, your continued defense of Islam as a worthy creed is increasingly disturbing in light of how horribly women are treated by Muslims.

I'd be rather curious regarding your own response to my post in the thread and how you reconcile the extensive mistreatment of women, sexual child abuse of both girls and boys, including the very apparent causal link between this psycho-sexual trauma and terrorism. Despite your own support for it, it would seem that Islam has no leg to stand upon and I am intensely curious how you go about maintaining your position.

You have edited out some admittedly less-than-tasteful remarks or references from this thread in what appears to be a discouragement of treating women like sexual objects, yet seem to have no problem defending Islam even though its entire doctrine does nothing but treat women like sexual objects. I view this as serious cognitive dissonance and it appears as though others here might feel the same.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-12 14:31|| 2006-11-12 14:31|| Front Page Top

#31 "Dave, sorry, I'm not leaving even if you don't share my opinions."

It has nothing to do with "sharing your opinions", as you well know: it has to do with you being less of a Moderator than a neurotic control freak with a "REDACT" button. There's a difference, and you don't seem able to comprehend it.

If you won't leave outright, then at least heed my advice above: take a break from the 'Burg, long enough that by the time you come back, you won't feel this compulsion to inflict your myriad "hot buttons" on the rest of us.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2006-11-12 14:31|| 2006-11-12 14:31|| Front Page Top

#32 Sigh. Zenster, I'm no apologist for Islam. I'm quite aware of what the Islamacists are.

I'm also aware of the reasons some people are embracing the religion and I disagree with you that a "kill them all now" approach is practical.

Sorry if that rains on your parade.

Posted by lotp 2006-11-12 14:33|| 2006-11-12 14:33|| Front Page Top

#33 So are crude comments of the sort Mike Dundee posted.

Crude? There are a LOT cruder ways to say what I did. So, flying flag Bravo are we?

Posted by Mick Dundee 2006-11-12 14:33|| 2006-11-12 14:33|| Front Page Top

#34
Oh, I also forgot, the nym is Mick, not Mike.

Posted by Mick Dundee 2006-11-12 14:35|| 2006-11-12 14:35|| Front Page Top

#35 Ok, you all win.

Fred has one less moderator and reader / contributor.

I'm out of here.

Posted by lotp 2006-11-12 14:41|| 2006-11-12 14:41|| Front Page Top

#36 Good riddance! You lost any credibility you may have had when you were busted editing your posts. You're sneaky and dishonest, I won't miss you!

Posted by Mick Dundee 2006-11-12 14:44|| 2006-11-12 14:44|| Front Page Top

#37 sorry to say, but I won't miss you. I too believe you've become to much of a control freak. If the AOS or Emily or Fred or DD or Pappy rebuked me, I would be chagrined, and know I crossed a line. I don't have the same respect for your sense of propriety, Robin

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-11-12 14:47|| 2006-11-12 14:47|| Front Page Top

#38 I have not been really active on the Burg for the last five days. This has been due to my construction projects demands, and also for the need to do some introspection on last Tuesday's debacle. I am assembling my assessment and thoughts.

I just went through the sink trap on the redacted comments. Though I do not find them good for mixed company, they are not sink trap material. Rantburg is for ranting. There is going to be a fair bit of snarkiness and some *cough cough* risque references. We are dealing with heavy stuff in the main topics, so people are going to blow off steam. As long as it does not take over the postings, live with it.

The moderator that took this off needs to lighten up, or get out of the moderating business. This is Fred's blog. If he thinks that the snarkiness is getting out of hand, he will advise us, in his usual, witty, elegant, and, need be, highly directive way, as we say in management classes. My two cents worth.

Posted by Alaska Paul ">Alaska Paul 2006-11-12 14:57|| 2006-11-12 14:57|| Front Page Top

#39 OK, I've got the message. As I've said, I'm out of the moderating business and leaving the Burg as well.

Frank, I too have lost respect for a number of people here. It goes both ways.

AP, I've enjoyed the snark here and the "whisky, democracy, sexy" attitude. But I don't enjoy some of the crudity and for .com and others to insist on it dilutes the value of the site for me. If your mileage varies then so be it.

Mick I've already posted about editing my comments and why I've done so.

I recognize that by redacting Mick's crude comment and the 2 that directly addressed it I was making myself a target. Like you all, I've done a lot of reassessing this week.

I wish you all well. May your anger find more useful targets in the coming weeks and months.

Posted by lotp 2006-11-12 15:11|| 2006-11-12 15:11|| Front Page Top

#40 Insist on it? Exaggerated bullshit.

Posted by .com 2006-11-12 15:13|| 2006-11-12 15:13|| Front Page Top

#41 I'm no apologist for Islam. I'm quite aware of what the Islamacists are.

But, as a woman, you continue to defend the one single creed that has made an institution out of abusing women. Something is broken inside of you, lotp. I don't know what it is but it certainly interferes with your perception of reality.

I disagree with you that a "kill them all now" approach is practical.

You really don't get it do you? Neither do you read my posts, do you? For the umpteenth time, I DO NOT advocate a "kill them all" approach. Over and over again, I have mentioned how lamentable such a thing would be.

What I have said is that Islam will eventually commit an atrocity of such magnitude that glassing over the MME will no longer be avoidable. An unreformed Islam can no more avert this possibility than they can make rivers run backwards. That DOES NOT equate to a "kill them all" stance.

That you as a moderator, who has been obliged to read many of my posts, insist upon willfully mistating my own repeated position is a complete and total abuse of your powers.

lotp, you DO have a personal agenda and it MOST DEFINITELY interferes with your ability to moderate this board. I, for one, shall not miss your biased actions. Evidently, there are many others who will not as well. I wish you no harm or evil, but your cognitive dissonance is truly revolting. Gooday to you and goodbye.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-12 15:21|| 2006-11-12 15:21|| Front Page Top

#42 it has to do with you being less of a Moderator than a neurotic control freak with a "REDACT" button

Same could be said of you, Dave.

As a guy I'd like to say that those comments were highly inappropriate and disrespectful to women and shouldn't really belong here (ultimately Fred makes the decision). As a courtesy to women reading the 'burg, I'd refrain from posting comments like that. After all, it's what officers and gentlemen would do in the presence of women (at least I hope). But then, I've learned long ago that com is neither.

Seems logical to me, lotp. I don't understand why others don't get it.

(cue com's mumblings and possible Vogon poetry and possible placement in the sinktrap)

Posted by C 2006-11-12 15:35|| 2006-11-12 15:35|| Front Page Top

#43 C. Yup.

Posted by .com 2006-11-12 15:42|| 2006-11-12 15:42|| Front Page Top

#44 Zenster, you know damned well that lotp doesn't advocate surrender to Islam. She is overworking herself on several projects that directly impact the near-future ability of this country to fight the war against Islamofascism, precisely because she understands how critical it is. If you are not aware of this, it's because you aren't paying attention. You claim an elephantine memory; I suggest you make use of it. Your attitude toward lotp recently has been rude and overbearing, as you insist that she submit to your view of things, ignoring her own knowledge and experiences. And for the record, lots of religions, creeds, beliefs, and otherwise have and are abusing women, as you very well know. I won't insult you by demanding that you choose between Muslim Arab behaviour and that of Black South Africans serially raping babies to cure themselves of AIDS.

lotp dear, I think taking a vacation might be a good idea. You've an awful lot on your plate right now, and Rantburg ought not be on your A list, nor even your B list. The interpersonal dynamic needs to be broken, and time is a critical component for frayed nerves to heal themselves. But if I am forced to choose, I'd rather you do those other things than be so selfish as to insist you come back for me to learn from.

Not long ago there was a discussion here about the behaviour of the Byzantines as they were being besieged or attacked (I don't remember the exact details) by their future Muslim overlords. Various groups kept killing off those they deemed not right thinking, rather than uniting to destroy the enemy of them all, who didn't care how any of them thought so long as they surrendered. That is what I fear I see here.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-11-12 16:14|| 2006-11-12 16:14|| Front Page Top

#45 I have one thing to say very bluntly and honestly lotp,bye bye.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2006-11-12 16:20|| www.sockpuppetofdoom.com]">[www.sockpuppetofdoom.com] 2006-11-12 16:20|| Front Page Top

#46 Not sure about your last paragraph, tw. I hope I didn't wreck the WoT by posting a link to tease the Dubai moron.

Posted by .com 2006-11-12 16:20|| 2006-11-12 16:20|| Front Page Top

#47 Can I join the fray?

Re sinktrapped comments, as C states, they may be a bit ungentlemanly, but they don't seem to be extremely horible. That's it. If lotp just responded "I thought we are all mature adults here"--that would drive the point and perhaps cause a mild embarassment (I wouldn't bet on it ;-), but think a smidget of it for sure).

As for lotp... the commenters are onto something.

Some while ago, I stated that Islam has to go...by whatever means necessary. I was summarily accused of being a genocidal maniac (not in those words but in gist of it) by lotp. She did not ask what these means may be, she just assumed that I meant obliteration via nukes or even something worse, whatever that may be (that someone I don't remember... some kind of smurf... joined in and piled on the genocidal maniac label is beside point). It, frankly, surprised me that lotp did not ask what those means may be and went for the jugular.

I probably missed a bunch of threads, as I see now, because posters here seem to to have noticed a pattern that may shed a light on lotp outburst in my case.

Posted by twobyfour 2006-11-12 16:26|| 2006-11-12 16:26|| Front Page Top

#48 Some while ago, I stated that Islam has to go...by whatever means necessary...She did not ask what these means may be, she just assumed that I meant obliteration via nukes or even something worse

Just exactly which part of "by whatever means necessary" don't you understand? Seems she was right to dump on you, as you just proved. And then you wonder why you lose elections.

Posted by C 2006-11-12 16:38|| 2006-11-12 16:38|| Front Page Top

#49 Perhaps you're right, TW, lotp may be overworked and strains her job may influence some responses. I kinda understand, because I find myself in kinda same predicament. I believe I am onto something that may potentially win the war, but haven't yet decided to pursue the idea to make prototypes as it may prove to be a Pandora's box. I don't say this to make myself important, just to illustrate dilemas some of us may face in this strange war.

But the thing is, I was a moderator in several lists and forums and know the territory. It is not a job for everyone and if the moderator tends to be jumpy, it causes more harm than good. 'S just the nature of things and it seems that lotp is not particularly suited for it. Not everyone is.

Posted by twobyfour 2006-11-12 16:43|| 2006-11-12 16:43|| Front Page Top

#50 C, you do not deserve a dignified reply.

Posted by twobyfour 2006-11-12 16:45|| 2006-11-12 16:45|| Front Page Top

#51 nice hubris C. If you want to start eliminating options, perhaps you should wonder if the other side is. Condemning someone for what you read into their comments is a mark of a closed mind. Enjoy your little world.

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-11-12 16:45|| 2006-11-12 16:45|| Front Page Top

#52 Zenster, you know damned well that lotp doesn't advocate surrender to Islam.

Where in the hell have I ever said such a thing? I said she was acting as "an apologist". There is a huge difference and I'm sure you're well aware of it. Islam, in almost every single one of its manifestations, is intensely abusive to women. For a woman to defend it is unseemly at best and I'll maintain that to my dying day.

That lotp is involved in the fight against Islamofascism and, at the same time, willing to defend Islam (the difference between these two is becoming evermore indistinguishable), strikes me as cognitively dissonant, and I have said so.

I've already seen lotp cherry pick her replies and I find that especially repugnant. Especially, when she took the advice of others to read what I had posted but pointedly made no effort to address me regarding how it disproved her position. I find that to be intellectually dishonest. I am also confident that she has censored my posts when they were far less offensive than those I was confronted with. So, yes, I do sense some sort of agenda.

And for the record, lots of religions, creeds, beliefs, and otherwise have and are abusing women, as you very well know. I won't insult you by demanding that you choose between Muslim Arab behaviour and that of Black South Africans serially raping babies to cure themselves of AIDS.

No problem, I'll choose for you, Muslims. Black or sub-Saharan Africa is light years away from getting or making nuclear weapons. At least unless Iran sells them some. While many black African cultures certainly do manifest a pronounced dislike of whites or Western culture, their own self-imposed primitiveness prevents them from being much of a threat.

Not so with Muslims, Islam and Islamofascism. I lump them together because they have lumped themselves together. Through silence to the point of dissembling, continued overt or tacit support of terrorism and an unwillingness to reform what remains a hideously abusive and violent doctrine, all Islam is rapidly designating itself as a prime candidate for history's dustbin.

Various groups kept killing off those they deemed not right thinking, rather than uniting to destroy the enemy of them all

So long as moderate Muslims cannot bring themselves to vehemently assert the need for Islam's radical reform, they will be the enemy. Get back to me when radical reformists are stacking dead jihadis behind their Mosques like so much cordwood. Until them, Islam, not just Islamofascism, remains a huge threat to over a millennium of progress and I won't tolerate it.

Read the linked article in my first post. Islam will not cease to be a threat until it abandons its institutionalized abuse of women. This abuse may well be the root of terrorism itself and for that reason, I regard any attempt to excuse Islam's abuse of women as de facto toleration of terrorism. This is something I have concluded only in the last few weeks and the concept is going through final testing, but I see nothing to disprove such a notion and everything to support it.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-12 16:53|| 2006-11-12 16:53|| Front Page Top

#53 Frank, you forgot to tell me to offer a workable solution or STFU, ie, no criticism allowed.

If you want to start eliminating options, perhaps you should wonder if the other side is.

Extolling that option while we're not even at that point yet is utterly unhelpful and produces unintended consequences.

To be honest, I don't really care what the other side is thinking because I live by my own set of values and will not abandon them. If you wish to misconstrue this as a sign of weakness, then that's your problem, not mine.

Condemning someone for what you read into their comments is a mark of a closed mind.

Frank, I could provide direct proof of where you are guilty of doing exactly this, but I'm not sure you're capable of accepting criticism. It's all too easy to take the com approach and tell someone to buzz off then to admit that, indeed, sometimes the other guy may be right.

Posted by C 2006-11-12 17:19|| 2006-11-12 17:19|| Front Page Top

#54 bring it on. I say your approach is dhimmitude at best. All options are on the table. Always. To say otherwise is to play 6 card stud against an opponents 7 cards. That's a moment of moral hubris this country can't afford. I say that makes you a dreamer, a narcissist and a tool. Bring it on.

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-11-12 17:32|| 2006-11-12 17:32|| Front Page Top

#55 I say all of ye shaddup, both sides.

Yer acting like a bunch Democrats.

Posted by OldSpook 2006-11-12 17:38|| 2006-11-12 17:38|| Front Page Top

#56 Ok folks LTFU! Drive even the moderates out and this will turn into a hate site. Step back, take a breath, or watch this site go down the shit hole.

Posted by 49 Pan">49 Pan 2006-11-12 17:40|| 2006-11-12 17:40|| Front Page Top

#57 bring it on

You sure you want it? It will look especially bad on you.

Posted by C 2006-11-12 17:44|| 2006-11-12 17:44|| Front Page Top

#58 :-)

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-11-12 17:48|| 2006-11-12 17:48|| Front Page Top

#59 To be honest, I don't really care what the other side is thinking because I live by my own set of values and will not abandon them. If you wish to misconstrue this as a sign of weakness, then that's your problem, not mine.

Your "own set of values" and the supposedly moral high ground that goes with them doesn't mean jack shit to a bunch of Islamic thugs who would like nothing better than to vaporize you and yours into nuclear steam. If the lives of your loved ones were at stake, I'm confident you'd drop those "values" of yours quicker than a live grenade.

Here's a clue, the time is now. Our civilization is under major assault from a political ideology masquerading as a religion that gives its members permission to lie, cheat, steal, murder, main, terrorize and rape their way through however many innocent men, women and children it takes to achieve global domination.

You can sneer all you like at those of us who actually comprehend this equation, just don't expect us to show much respect for your willful ignorance. This one is for all the marbles. Over a thousand years of hard won progress hangs in the balance. There are those of us who take real offense at the sheer existance of cretins seeking to reverse that. Your smug attitude doesn't cut any ice.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-12 17:56|| 2006-11-12 17:56|| Front Page Top

#60 Here's a clue, the time is now. Our civilization is under major assault from a political ideology masquerading as a religion that gives its members permission to lie, cheat, steal, murder, main, terrorize and rape their way through however many innocent men, women and children it takes to achieve global domination.

Succinct, and dead on. Do you mind if I borrow it?

Posted by Mick Dundee 2006-11-12 18:21|| 2006-11-12 18:21|| Front Page Top

#61 my loss....

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-11-12 18:34|| 2006-11-12 18:34|| Front Page Top

#62 Your "own set of values" and the supposedly moral high ground that goes with them

Nothing less, and not much more, than the Constitution by which you live.

Posted by C 2006-11-12 18:35|| 2006-11-12 18:35|| Front Page Top

#63 abu Jibjab and C - can you tell the diff? C? -Where does the Constitution refer to your position? Penumbras of emanations again?

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-11-12 18:37|| 2006-11-12 18:37|| Front Page Top

#64 WHat was the thread topic again?

Posted by Rex Mundi 2006-11-12 18:50|| 2006-11-12 18:50|| Front Page Top

#65 Sheesh...if there's a spelling sinktrap....#67 qualifies.

Posted by Rex Mundi 2006-11-12 18:52|| 2006-11-12 18:52|| Front Page Top

#66 sorry, I'm not Arab. Boys, sheep, goats and camels need not apply

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-11-12 18:56|| 2006-11-12 18:56|| Front Page Top

#67 Whether Frank G likes women or not

Are you worried about it?

Posted by badanov 2006-11-12 19:02|| http://www.freefirezone.org]">[http://www.freefirezone.org] 2006-11-12 19:02|| Front Page Top

#68 Well, I just finished reading through the last 60+ comments and I have to admit that not much of it made much sense. I can't believe everybody turned on each other like that and made the threats that they did. In order to make sense of all of this, someone is going to have to repost the picture that started this all so the latecomers like me can figure this out . . . :-)

Posted by gorb 2006-11-12 19:03|| 2006-11-12 19:03|| Front Page Top

#69 .....

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-11-12 19:07|| 2006-11-12 19:07|| Front Page Top

#70 both resignations accepted. Your point, "Rasta"? You do have one, don't you?

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-11-12 19:27|| 2006-11-12 19:27|| Front Page Top

#71 It is a rather simple equation: Islam=death.
Islam is a death cult. Islam encourages the faithful to die to go to 'heaven' (which actually sounds like any decent place outside the mooslim world. heh) where life seems very un-islamic. If one follow the big Mo's orders, you will get wine and women in the hereafter. Heh. Compared to life for the average arab/mooslim, this sounds pretty damn good. So, a trip to the beach is hot for the average joe jihad.

I grew up in Soddiland (58-70) and never really had any problems with arabs. I had no real problems with arabs until 1983, Beirut. Then I started to watch closely and learn more. Then 9/11 happened, mass murderers were doing this for God and I said the myself "WTF is that"?

So I started to learn about Islam's teachings and history (I even ordered a free and REALLY nice Koran from CAIR. Heh).

I was completely shocked by the mooslim belief systems and actions over the years. Absolutely heinous acts and in the name of God. What a load of crap islam is.
That is one of the reasons I come to RB. Good information and like-minded folks.

Peace through superior firepower. Amen.

Posted by Brett 2006-11-12 19:28|| 2006-11-12 19:28|| Front Page Top

#72 WTF? Did I write THAT? Sheesh. Need to get home earlier on sat night.

Posted by Brett 2006-11-12 19:31|| 2006-11-12 19:31|| Front Page Top

#73 #81 watch this site go down the shit hole.
Yes thanks
Posted by: Rasta 2006-11-12 19:41

well, they allowed YOU in...

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-11-12 19:46|| 2006-11-12 19:46|| Front Page Top

#74 Observation; We start feeding upon ourselves and the Trolls start thinkin' they actually matter.

Posted by Rex Mundi 2006-11-12 20:30|| 2006-11-12 20:30|| Front Page Top

#75 I've watched as the folks here have acted more and more like democrats as Nov. 7 came closer. I predicted a Trunk bloodbath 6 months ago and got dumped on for it. I wasn't smarter, just more frustrated. Disagreement through superior invective. Works a lot better to disagree and argue with ideas than to namecall and to consign to the outer darkness. Pretty unpleasant and unrefined for no good reason.

That said, too bad that we have been infected with PC to point where words are now more than words.

Posted by SR-71 2006-11-12 20:45|| 2006-11-12 20:45|| Front Page Top

#76 Succinct, and dead on. Do you mind if I borrow it?

Mick Dundee, I'd be honored if you did.

Nothing less, and not much more, than the Constitution by which you live.

Notice how just about any part of the constitution can be suspended in a time of war? There's a valid reason for that. I dearly love the constitution, I feel it is one of the most well-thought out documents ever assembled by the hand of man. The foresight and vision of our founding fathers was nothing less than prescient.

I'll also add that our constitutional rights do not apply to our enemies as neither do the Geneva Conventions. C, you can feel free to elaborate here, or some other time, about what aspects of the constitution you foresee being violated in our fight against terrorism. I happen to believe that America is worth saving at all costs and that we had better be prepared for a long, dirty war with a rapacious foe who will stop at nothing to kill every last one of us.

You'd probably find that a huge number of people here would agree with the "values" you're referring to. Personally, I liked the plea you made for more civil conduct here. I've been more than a little disappointed at how people have reduced themselve to making personal and offensive attacks in the midst of what should be factual debate.

I'll freely admit that my own language has been subject to quite a bit less self-censorship in the last few months. This is a direct reflection of my frustration with how little change there has been with respect to Islam's need for reformation. I'll cheerfully note that I pretty much refuse to allow my language to descend into sexist tripe, because I believe that no one here needs to hear it.

I also have strong confidence in Fred and the majority of moderators that they will not let this place devolve into a putrid hate site. Every indication is that these good people scrupulously avoid giving bigotry and discrimination a free ride at this place. For that, they have my genuine respect. I do not hang out at other boards specifically because of this.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-12 20:53|| 2006-11-12 20:53|| Front Page Top

#77 #85, Rex: GREAT observation! While I'm a casual poster here, and I'll refuse to jump on lotp, I think she did have an itchy trigger finger. Maybe Mick's comment was overboard, but for that, we DO NOT need to turn on each other. This war is gonna get a LOT nastier before it gets better, and I've almost (I stress, almost) come around to Zen's POV. I don't want to make the entire MME a sea of glass, but ONCE (I don't think it's an "if") they get nukes and/or some other WMD, they will use it. They WILL over-reach and force us to retaliate in a way Americans haven't conceived of since 1945. Just my $.02.

And, I echo OS's comment in #55. A LOT of people sound like whiny Donks around here (including the lot of trolls that've shown up lately). We need each other more than ever now. While I won't miss some posters, if they should so choose to leave, I do NOT want the 'burg to become a self-absorbed echo chamber to the exclusion of ALL dissent. We lost, so what? Yes, we may very well get hit again because of what happened last Tuesday. But, we my have been heading that way anyways because of the CONSTANT MSM drumming of EVERY SINGLE THING President Bush does to protect us (the NSA "leak", the push to shut down Gitmo, the daily body count in Iraq, etc., etc., etc.). BUT, we need to be above it all, continue to monitor those who are our enemies (both foreign and domestic) AND offer REAL solutions to how to fight this war (and the coming battles in this war) in the hamstrung, P.C. world we live in.

Posted by BA 2006-11-12 20:59|| 2006-11-12 20:59|| Front Page Top

#78 That said, too bad that we have been infected with PC to point where words are now more than words.

I think today was a step towards eliminating some of that PC mentality. "Civil, well-reasoned discourse" is alive and well at Rantburg and "words" still have meaning to those of us who are willing to use them in rational debate.

Don't sell Rantburg short, SR-71. A lot of fine work has gone into making this one of the most free-thinking and un-PC locations on the entire web. This was a much needed process of sorting things out that has been building for quite a few months now. I see no reason for it to signify any decline in or loss of quality. I strongly doubt Fred and the moderators would put up with that.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-12 21:05|| 2006-11-12 21:05|| Front Page Top

#79 Bit of advice.

Before you post in anger, type it up, then walk away for 5 minutes. Go drink a beer, or walk around the block, or watch the golf channel.

Then come back - DO NOT read the thred, just read your response, by itself, without context.

See if your words are really the ones you want to leave here to represent you in perpetuity.

And see if you can just close the window and be done with it.

Posted by OldSpook 2006-11-12 21:07|| 2006-11-12 21:07|| Front Page Top

#80 This war is gonna get a LOT nastier before it gets better, and I've almost (I stress, almost) come around to Zen's POV. I don't want to make the entire MME a sea of glass, but ONCE (I don't think it's an "if") they get nukes and/or some other WMD, they will use it. They WILL over-reach and force us to retaliate in a way Americans haven't conceived of since 1945.

BA, you seem to imply that I'm all for glassing over the MME right away. Please clarify if that is, indeed, what you think. If you, as I do, believe that such a horror is inevitable due to Islam's congential habit of overreaching itself, that's another matter. I'm sick and tired of having to make this point, as I'm sure this board is of hearing me make it, but I must defend my position when it is intentionally distorted.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-12 21:26|| 2006-11-12 21:26|| Front Page Top

#81 See if your words are really the ones you want to leave here to represent you in perpetuity.

Spot on, OldSpook!

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-12 21:30|| 2006-11-12 21:30|| Front Page Top

#82 Tossing Robin overboard here at the 'Burg is not helpful to the greater War on Terror, gents.

The ladies at the beach in Dubai have the right not to be ogled and threatened by the serfs on their lunch break and the ladies at Rantburg ought to be able to participate without having phrases like "whisker biscuits" tossed in our faces. I have overlooked several instances of that kind of language here, but I don't like it and I support Robin's decision to redact in this case. I personally hope she doesn't leave for good, but if she finds her time is spent better elsewhere, I understand.

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2006-11-12 21:31|| 2006-11-12 21:31|| Front Page Top

#83

Ahem.

Posted by anonymous2u 2006-11-12 21:39|| 2006-11-12 21:39|| Front Page Top

#84 Zen, you are correct. I'm not calling for sea of glass up front. But, we all know they will over reach and we'll be forced to respond in kind. Methinks a round of MOABs/Daisy Cutters would be first, but if they get nasty enough, we'll have NO choice but to go nuclear. Western civilization MUST be saved at ANY cost. The opposing option (Dar-al-Islam) is NO world I want to live in, or have my kids and (future tense) grandkids live in.

Posted by BA 2006-11-12 21:41|| 2006-11-12 21:41|| Front Page Top

#85 Zenster, we are talking past each other, but let me just say this: attack Islam all you want, exposing it for what it is, but leave the gate open for those who want to leave that darkness. You'll win allies that way, or more precisely, you won't lose the ones you have.

BA: While I'm a casual poster here, and I'll refuse to jump on lotp, I think she did have an itchy trigger finger.

As does Dave, Pappy, and a few others. It's not fair to pick on lotp.

Thank you, Seafarious, for speaking up and backing lotp.

BTW, am I the only one who thinks Fred's silence is deafening?? Hello? Is this thing on?

Posted by C 2006-11-12 21:51|| 2006-11-12 21:51|| Front Page Top

#86 As I guy, I wouldn't want to see an overabundance in the way of naked guy pix and the like, so I can see lotp's motivation that she doesn't want things to get out of hand, but I think she overreacted. Perhaps Fred can give her an "ADMONISH" button or something instead of a howitzer.

lotp, please don't disappear. I appreciate your postings, and I'm sure the rest do even though they may be too worked up to have admitted so at the time.

I put this one under the category "female misunderstanding of male humor". Ladies, I know several women who have asked to be treated like one of the guys. So we give it a shot and it always fails. Always. And it is always because she feels insulted by something that was never intended to be an insult. There is something about male humor that you will only understand if you are a male. For the most part it is not meant as an insult in any way. If it is, you'll know it. Guys are very visual. They are usually messing around with the other guy's visualizations, and it's funny. If it gets away from being a visual thing, then it might be an insult! :-)

Posted by gorb 2006-11-12 21:53|| 2006-11-12 21:53|| Front Page Top

#87 Pfeh, Sea. Nobody tossed anyone, someone jumped. Twice.

And I guess we know who's sportin' the Symbolic Big Willie now, too, given your redaction of a2u.

Get a good grip on it.

Sheesh.

Posted by .com 2006-11-12 21:54|| 2006-11-12 21:54|| Front Page Top

#88 C / Contrarian / Chucklehead - Direct me to anything substantive you've ever posted here. You snip and snipe and piss and moan. Still looking for a Blog-Pal, someone who'll be your buddy? Just keep butterin whatever moves.

So when are you going to dazzle us with your expertise, your deep knowledge of whatever (Military Affairs? Islam? Terrorism? Pizza Toppings?) and how it applies to the articles and topics RB focuses upon?

"Frank, you forgot to tell me to offer a workable solution or STFU, ie, no criticism allowed."

I could've guessed that a Dhimmi would draw that conclusion - missing the point entirely. BTW, I'm the one who stomped you that day, not Frank. Today is your day to be made a fool of by Frank.

Posted by .com 2006-11-12 21:59|| 2006-11-12 21:59|| Front Page Top

#89 Rex Mundi - We're not "feeding upon ourselves" - we're just postin honest comments.

And trolls always think that they matter - that's why they troll.

Posted by .com 2006-11-12 22:03|| 2006-11-12 22:03|| Front Page Top

#90 Direct me to anything substantive you've ever posted here.

And you? I mean, besides your schtick about Saudi, which you somehow believe to be unique. What else have you got to offer besides Vogon poetry and your extensive porn collection?

I could've guessed that a Dhimmi would draw that conclusion - missing the point entirely. BTW, I'm the one who stomped you that day, not Frank.

LOL. Yes, only you know the truth so whatever I say will obviously miss the point.

You and Frank seem to back each other up so that's why I included that reminder.

Posted by C 2006-11-12 22:16|| 2006-11-12 22:16|| Front Page Top

#91 And you? I mean, besides your schtick about Saudi, which you somehow believe to be unique. What else have you got to offer besides Vogon poetry and your extensive porn collection?

Lol. Classic non-answer / redirection. The answer is NOTHING. I actually do know a bit about the M.E., but 90% of the folks here have heard the specific - and I don't belabor the point - which I guess you would. The fact is, you're just gracing us with your social criticisms, which are completely pointless and superfluous.

How long have you been around, sonny? I seriously doubt, given your foolish notions about Islam and other topics, that anything I've posted would be of interest to you, anyway.

LOL. Yes, only you know the truth so whatever I say will obviously miss the point.

Another non-answer. The fact is, you're a socialist, a whiner, a crybaby, a burden - that's why my posts don't work for you. You're a classic "What have you done for me lately?" Dhimmi and I'm an American - I buckle down and get the job done.

Isn't there some whiny-assed Toronto Blog'o'Hug you could constructively post to? You ain't doing dick here.

Posted by .com 2006-11-12 22:26|| 2006-11-12 22:26|| Front Page Top

#92 Zen, you are correct. I'm not calling for sea of glass up front. But, we all know they will over reach and we'll be forced to respond in kind. Methinks a round of MOABs/Daisy Cutters would be first, but if they get nasty enough, we'll have NO choice but to go nuclear. Western civilization MUST be saved at ANY cost. The opposing option (Dar-al-Islam) is NO world I want to live in, or have my kids and (future tense) grandkids live in.

Neither am I calling for the Windex treatment right now, so we evidently agree on many points, BA.

Zenster, we are talking past each other

Ummm ... no. You might be talking past me, but I have been directing substantive points towards you, which are pretty much going unaddressed. That's your choice, so be it. As you can see, it doesn't cut a lot of ice around here.

attack Islam all you want, exposing it for what it is, but leave the gate open for those who want to leave that darkness. You'll win allies that way, or more precisely, you won't lose the ones you have.

The gate is always open for those who wish to leave Islam. What I see is an Westbound train to Reformville pulling away from the station empty. There's also nobody on the platform trying to change how things work back at the whistlestop. All of this tells me that the West must operate on the assumption that no one from within the Muslim world is going to be of much use in helping us prevent Islam from running wild.

Muslims have voluntarily surrendered up the reins to a handful of psychotic drivers who are pointing this Islamic juggernaut straight at Western civilization. I have no intention of being roadkill. If we have to take the wheels off its engine, or even blow their runaway train clean off of its rails and tear up the roadbed, the time to start doing it is now.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-12 22:41|| 2006-11-12 22:41|| Front Page Top

#93 Gah! Coding tags, why do they hate us?

Zen, you are correct. I'm not calling for sea of glass up front. But, we all know they will over reach and we'll be forced to respond in kind. Methinks a round of MOABs/Daisy Cutters would be first, but if they get nasty enough, we'll have NO choice but to go nuclear. Western civilization MUST be saved at ANY cost. The opposing option (Dar-al-Islam) is NO world I want to live in, or have my kids and (future tense) grandkids live in.

Neither am I calling for the Windex treatment right now, so we evidently agree on many points, BA.

Zenster, we are talking past each other

Ummm ... no. You might be talking past me, but I have been directing substantive points towards you, which are pretty much going unaddressed. That's your choice, so be it. As you can see, it doesn't cut a lot of ice around here.

attack Islam all you want, exposing it for what it is, but leave the gate open for those who want to leave that darkness. You'll win allies that way, or more precisely, you won't lose the ones you have.

The gate is always open for those who wish to leave Islam. What I see is an Westbound train to Reformville pulling away from the station empty. There's also nobody on the platform trying to change how things work back at the whistlestop. All of this tells me that the West must operate on the assumption that no one from within the Muslim world is going to be of much use in helping us prevent Islam from running wild.

Muslims have voluntarily surrendered up the reins to a handful of psychotic drivers who are pointing this Islamic juggernaut straight at Western civilization. I have no intention of being roadkill. If we have to take the wheels off its engine, or even blow their runaway train clean off of its rails and tear up the roadbed, the time to start doing it is now.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-12 22:46|| 2006-11-12 22:46|| Front Page Top

#94 *yaaaaawn*

Don't worry, I'm not sticking around. I only waded in because lotp announced she's leaving, which is a shame because she was a voice of reason here.

Posted by C 2006-11-12 22:48|| 2006-11-12 22:48|| Front Page Top

#95 Don't worry, I'm not sticking around.

It's a free ~~country~~ web. At least we found one thing to agree upon.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-12 23:01|| 2006-11-12 23:01|| Front Page Top

#96 C, are you, perchance, lotp's twin? For a fleeting moment I had that kind of impression.

No matter. All I can say regarding your intentions to not stick around is that there must be a place where they'll appreciate you.

Posted by twobyfour 2006-11-12 23:16|| 2006-11-12 23:16|| Front Page Top

#97 there must be a place where they'll appreciate you.

It's probably in the US. Seems there's more people like me there then you would believe. Last Tuesday is proof positive. So I guess my social criticisms aren't completely pointless.

Posted by C 2006-11-12 23:24|| 2006-11-12 23:24|| Front Page Top

#98 So I guess my social criticisms aren't completely pointless.

Pointless? No, more like futile. .com has you nailed, C. He can scrape out more content from beneath his little toenail than you'll post in a ~~week~~ month of Sundays.

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