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2022-05-12 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

Ukraine managed to steal machines from Azovstal, and left the Nazis for slaughter to make them heroes

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Posted by badanov 2022-05-12 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11129 views ] Top

#1 Azovstal made (among other things) all the big turbines used for ships and power plants by both the Ukraine and Russia. Now that it is smashed where will Russia get big turbines? I know Ukraine can go to GE or Japan or Korea or RR or Germany but Russia goes to China?

Posted by 3dc 2022-05-12 01:31|| 2022-05-12 01:31|| Front Page Top

#2 3dc,

Exactly. The Russians have been ranting about how they're going to get Azovstal up and running, but I'm pretty sure there are two chances of that - fat and slim.

Mike

Posted by Ulereling Phagum7035 2022-05-12 06:17|| 2022-05-12 06:17|| Front Page Top

#3 The plant owners pulled the machines back before an invasion? Gosh, how horrible. The Russians have never heard of such perfidy before, I'm sure.

Posted by Rob Crawford 2022-05-12 07:17|| 2022-05-12 07:17|| Front Page Top

#4 So the plant owners "stole" the stuff the Russians were going to loot and carry off to Chechnya or something?

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2022-05-12 08:23|| 2022-05-12 08:23|| Front Page Top

#5 That's probably their biggest complaint.

BTW, I lost the link but I saw a story earlier about Russian ships showing up at Med ports with Ukrainian grain. Apparently de-Nazification involves lots of looting and profiteering.

Posted by Rob Crawford 2022-05-12 10:07|| 2022-05-12 10:07|| Front Page Top

#6 Badanov can post his made up Russian big lie trash, I can post articles and photos showing Russians are so ungodly at this point they do not give a damn even about other Russians. There have been > 32,000 calls to Ukraine from Russia about missing soldiers FYI.

The Putin state is going to be overthrown soon.

Ukraine cannot get rid of all these dead Russian soldiers.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-soldier-grave-exhume-1.6449590

Good move by Siemens, hope Russia finds ways to replace all the "evil western corporations" exiting Russia.

https://twitter.com/anders_aslund/status/1524774061083185155

Russian culture currently is a worship of death, including their moral vomit ROC and Kirril preaching brutality and hate of others.

Posted by Omineling Forkbeard1962 2022-05-12 12:03|| 2022-05-12 12:03|| Front Page Top

#7 ^ I smell desperation.

Ukrainian troll's hysterical because Russia is now in control of the Donbas and the entire southern land bridge to Crimea. Ukraine is completely landlocked. It's the Ukrainians who are panicking, hysterical about running out of supplies, being encircled, the remaining few Azov Battalion fascists starving and dying at AzovStal with barely one week's supply of food left, Odesa being hammered etc.

The US has no dog in this fight. Ukraine is a corrupt, barbarous, incorrigibly backward little shithole of no strategic importance to the US. It's yet another tar baby that our foolish elites and corrupt MIC want to drag us into - for years.

Another trillion-dollar fiasco, the third in a row. Unfucking-believable.

We should get the fuck out and leave these two nations to their own devices.

Posted by Albemarle Ulease2342 2022-05-12 12:11|| 2022-05-12 12:11|| Front Page Top

#8 Ukraine is completely landlocked.

Not entirely. The Rus do have their land bridge to the Krim and the equally important water canal near Kherson, but the area from Mikolaiv to Odessa is still under Ukrainian control.

Ukraine is a corrupt, barbarous, incorrigibly backward little shithole of no strategic importance to the US

Which is why Ukrainian membership in the EU makes perfect sense. And why the Biden's were doing business there. Fifteen percent for the Big Guy is nothing to sneeze at.

Posted by SteveS 2022-05-12 12:24|| 2022-05-12 12:24|| Front Page Top

#9 SteveS,
They can't export anything via the Black Sea. They are blockaded now, just like the Confederacy during our own Civil War.

Their exports accounted for more than 1/3 of their GDP. With the rest of the damage done to Ukrainian production, storage, distribution etc facilities, it is a certainty that Ukraine will be a basket-case Gaza-style ruin for another decade at least.

Their GDP has been halved and will fall even further, to fourth world levels. Their population is a fraction of what it was pre-war -- and even then, their smartest and most productive young people had abandoned it. There's no way Ukraine can possibly employ its few remaining people productively.

Ukraine is now Europe's Gaza.

Another shining triumph for US interventionism.

Posted by Albemarle Ulease2342 2022-05-12 12:33|| 2022-05-12 12:33|| Front Page Top

#10 Russia is so inept, China will probably turn west and start nibbling at Russia.

Posted by Zenobia Hapsburg1562 2022-05-12 12:47|| 2022-05-12 12:47|| Front Page Top

#11 Now there's a happy thought.

Posted by Skidmark 2022-05-12 15:24|| 2022-05-12 15:24|| Front Page Top

#12 Which is why Ukrainian membership in the EU makes perfect sense. And why the Biden's were doing business there. Fifteen percent for the Big Guy is nothing to sneeze at.

"15! I thought it was 10, and we could keep some illusion of sovereignty!"

"We are altering the deal; pray we do not alter it any further."

Posted by swksvolFF 2022-05-12 15:43|| 2022-05-12 15:43|| Front Page Top

#13 They can't export anything via the Black Sea. They are blockaded now

Certainly not while the war thing is going on. I was thinking about later, when this is over and the boundaries are redrawn. Although, if this goes on long enough, I would be unsurprised if either Russia ended up in control of Odessa or Odessa gets pounded so hard as to be not worth having as a port.

Posted by SteveS 2022-05-12 22:18|| 2022-05-12 22:18|| Front Page Top

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