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2020-10-25 Science
Major Denmark Study May Show Masks Are Largely Ineffective, 'Science' Promptly Censors It
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Posted by Angereng Glotch9200 2020-10-25 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [6495 views ]  Top

#1 They can always publish in in Journal of Irreproducible Science.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-25 02:30||   2020-10-25 02:30|| Front Page Top

#2 There have been several others as well. Science fact: Unless you are wearing an N95 mask, the masks are not filtering much anything of particles the size of the aerosolized virus, only the large particles. And if you are wearing a fabric mask, or a bandana, they are filtering even less. Therefore: ineffective.
Posted by Don Vito Theresing4682 2020-10-25 03:20||   2020-10-25 03:20|| Front Page Top

#3 


Real-time pandemic data paints a vivid picture of the relationship between mask-wearing and the prevalence of covid-19 symptoms


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Remember children, there may be a Santa Klaus, but 35 Years of Research Into Coronavirus Infections Show Long-Term Immunity Is Unlikely. And therefore, there is no herd immunity.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-25 03:24||   2020-10-25 03:24|| Front Page Top

#4 CDC, Oct 12:

A Centers for Disease Control report released in September shows that masks and face coverings are not effective in preventing the spread of COVID-19, even for those people who consistently wear them.

“In the 14 days before illness onset, 71% of case-patients ... reported always using cloth face coverings or other mask types when in public”

Over 70 percent of the case-patients were contaminated with the virus and fell ill despite “always” wearing a mask.

In addition, over 14 percent of the case-patients said they “often” wore a face covering and were still infected with the virus.

“Characterization of community exposures can be difficult to assess when widespread transmission is occurring, especially from asymptomatic persons within inherently interconnected communities,”

“direction, ventilation, and intensity of airflow might affect virus transmission, even if social distancing measures and mask use are implemented according to current guidance.”

Hate to disappoint you but Rantburg isn't Twitter, and this CDC study will not be censored forever.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6936a5-H.pdf
Posted by Don Vito Theresing4682 2020-10-25 03:32||   2020-10-25 03:32|| Front Page Top

#5 gromgoo, acquired immunity does exist, and happens routinely for all coronaviruses. Thats why despite the cold virus comeing and mutating every year, nobody ever dies from it. We develop acquired immunity, and it gets less effective over time, so a virus may surface years later, but most will still have some amount of T-cell mediated immunity, as well as a limited amount of cross-immunity from other coronavirus variants. Herd immunity can and will exist, but will be short lived.

Where did you get your medical degree, out of a cereal box? Fearmonger is what you are, so frightened of the world. Why not just hole up and cower from the world? Seems to be your gutless nature.
Posted by Don Vito Theresing4682 2020-10-25 03:38||   2020-10-25 03:38|| Front Page Top

#6 ^Covid sceptics diatribes have all the passionate intensity of 5 years old arguing against eating spinach.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-25 03:43||   2020-10-25 03:43|| Front Page Top

#7 and lockdown co-religionists have all the integrity of Joe and Hunter Biden
Posted by Frank G 2020-10-25 06:39||   2020-10-25 06:39|| Front Page Top

#8 /\ And politicians such as "Dr." Fauxi.
Posted by Clem 2020-10-25 07:49||   2020-10-25 07:49|| Front Page Top

#9 In retrospect, "covid-sceptics" passion is perfect understandable: Politics key to views on COVID-19 in U.S., poll shows . So, basically, they're not trying to arrive at a better picture of reality through debate - they are bashing ideological enemies with whatever comes to hand: no matter how childish ill-bred their arguments (not all covid-skeptics: Clem, P2k) may appear to a disinterested observer.
Now I admit, masks ARE the means to brainwash the free American people to obedience. Once mask-wearing becomes the norm, we (the galactic slavers) will be able to convince the American People that drugging boys with Ritalin (for being bad girls) is perfectly OK. Whence we will be able to proceed to wide ranging discrimination in educational and employment opportunities - by calling them "affirmative action". Since, despite affirmative action, equality of outcomes will not be observed - we will be able to introduce the notion of "systemic racism". And I didn't even mention gender fluidity yet.
All of these, highly desirable from the point of view of freedom hating furriners such as myself, will become reality - rather than the current fantasy - once we train the freedom loving Americans to wear masks in public buildings/transportation.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-25 08:15||   2020-10-25 08:15|| Front Page Top

#10 ^ you left out Control Freaks™
Posted by Frank G 2020-10-25 09:32||   2020-10-25 09:32|| Front Page Top

#11 Masks, masks, masks...didn't work in 1918, either (Stockton, CA, vis-a-vis Bah-ston, MA):

Posted by Clem 2020-10-25 09:35||   2020-10-25 09:35|| Front Page Top

#12 Well, if you believe current infection rate numbers and take into account how many places have mask mandates in place, then we pretty much already knew this.
Posted by Iblis 2020-10-25 12:03||   2020-10-25 12:03|| Front Page Top

#13 The Washington Post graph is garbage.

Other than New York finishing in the top 5, one person getting sick in ND is a different percentage of the state population than in CA.

Agriculture states like ND or WY or KS, we consider our neighbors in a 50 mile radius, or we know the person who knows the person who knows the exposed person living on the interstate.

Everyone in my county knows the (very very few) people who have tested for exposure recently. And the county over. And the county over.

Any mask, even the 95, which relies on earhooks to stay in place is flawed and breaks seal everytime the user talks, or chews, or pops their eardrums, yawns, oven even opens their mouth to increase the amount of air flow as intake is now cluttered.

The exhale air has to go somewhere so it blows out the seal break.

g(r)om, as an ex-smoker you should know all this.

Those longer, deeper inhales pull any garbage in the air further into the lungs.
Posted by swksvolFF 2020-10-25 13:22||   2020-10-25 13:22|| Front Page Top

#14 My former GP (we lost him when Obamacare changed everything; but I passed him on to my mother, so we still keep in touch), who used to be president of the Ohio medical association and is engaged each year to speak at the national epidemiology association convention in DC, has gone all in on those clear plastic health shields rather than face masks. He presents a comparison of effectiveness here — he addresses your mask-wearing concerns directly, swksvolFF.

For the science-curious, he provides a link in the right margin to a page with journal references supporting his claims.
Posted by trailing wife 2020-10-25 18:32||   2020-10-25 18:32|| Front Page Top

#15 g(r)om, as an ex-smoker you should know all this.

I'm not an ex-smoker. I just roll my own.

Those longer, deeper inhales pull any garbage in the air further into the lungs

Mask doesn't have to be hermetic to protect you. It's enough that it filters some of the virus - because dose appears to be important.See
COVID-19: Does the Infectious Inoculum Dose-Response Relationship Contribute to Understanding Heterogeneity in Disease Severity and Transmission Dynamics?

The population level effect - such as observed in Israel in the last month (decreasing the infection rate by a factor of magnitude) - derives by decreasing the chances of infection for each mask wearer. Finally, a mask can stop 90% of the viruses that somebody who's infected - but doesn't know it yet, exhales.

TW. A face shield provides more protection than a mask, but doesn't prevent spreading as well as a mask - ask your GP.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-25 19:09||   2020-10-25 19:09|| Front Page Top

#16 p.s. I see lots of old people wearing both a mask & a shield.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-25 19:12||   2020-10-25 19:12|| Front Page Top

#17 I'm not going to be "trained" to wear a mask, nor will stop giving people who work at public places a hard time when they ask me to put one on. I'm responsible for my own safety, not them. I'm an American, I have rights, and I understand personal responsibility.
Posted by Crusader 2020-10-25 19:56||   2020-10-25 19:56|| Front Page Top

#18 The Bavarian Ministry of Health advised against the use of these masks, labeling them as "largely useless" ... until they quietly scrapped this info.
Posted by European Conservative 2020-10-25 21:09||   2020-10-25 21:09|| Front Page Top

#19 @ #13 - I wondered the same thing about that rubbish chart re: the population density of, say, North/South Dakota versus Nueva York State. Nothing from The Compost surprises me.
Posted by Clem 2020-10-25 21:41||   2020-10-25 21:41|| Front Page Top

#20 I'm not an ex-smoker. I just roll my own.

Understood. OTC cigs are absolute garbage.

Thank you for the link TW, though leery of sales pitches I have to agree. Why some sectors such as dentist assistant teeth cleaners have not been doing this, well.

My approach is an application of masks, opposed to theory. The part about which is face touching, the eye rubbing and nose picking, was worked out of me in the food industry and home cooking experience. Those who work with onions and peppers know exactly what I'm talking about.

The short shallow breath I've found is the best defense against fire smoke, though that is tough under physical exertion, is the best short of face shield with positive pressure air. The mask was good for stopping the fire embers from going into the respiratory system but still was breathed in as it worked through the fibers of the mask. What I would cough out pales in comparison to what the mask caught even if the hood was wetted.

Yeah, that chart, what does that mean Know Somebody. Tom Hanks says he had it, does that count? Is that one, two, three degrees of separation of Kevin Bacon game?
Posted by swksvolFF 2020-10-25 22:17||   2020-10-25 22:17|| Front Page Top

#21 Yah, I got my lungs damaged by white phosphorous, and maybe something else. When I couldn't catch a breathe, the doctors told me to 'pant like a dog, short shallow breaths, rapidly'. It did help. Doesn't cure the basic problems, though. These damned masks they have us wearing are killing me slowly.
Posted by Daffy Freaking Bonaparte4364 2020-10-25 23:58||   2020-10-25 23:58|| Front Page Top

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