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2020-10-25 Home Front: Politix
Frank Luntz: If The Polls Are Wrong Again This Time, My Profession Is Finished
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Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-25 03:45|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [6500 views ]  Top

#1 But the industry, and satellite industries like election modelers, will never fully regain their credibility.

Actually that happened four years ago, but keep at it, Frankie.
Posted by Raj 2020-10-25 07:47||   2020-10-25 07:47|| Front Page Top

#2 As long as there are Party operated media, you have no worries about creating fake news for them to pedal. Since the boards and CEOs are more interested in expending corporate capital to preen among their peer group rather than make money for the stockholders, they'll keep the Party media in business. So, don't worry sugar plum, your future is fine. Just like those who sell horoscopes.
Posted by Procopius2k 2020-10-25 08:30||   2020-10-25 08:30|| Front Page Top

#3 ^Only if thee party is in power - subsidies become necessary once the cleverer advertisers abandon the sinking ship.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-25 08:32||   2020-10-25 08:32|| Front Page Top

#4 Only id the "profession" is poll results tailored to support the client's needs.
Posted by Mercutio 2020-10-25 08:45||   2020-10-25 08:45|| Front Page Top

#5 If not id... does this count as a Freudian slip?
Posted by Mercutio 2020-10-25 08:46||   2020-10-25 08:46|| Front Page Top

#6 I doubt that the market for propaganda will ever die.
Posted by AlanC 2020-10-25 08:53||   2020-10-25 08:53|| Front Page Top

#7 "Madame President" - Time Rag Magazine
Posted by Clem 2020-10-25 08:56||   2020-10-25 08:56|| Front Page Top

#8 Frank, you were done years ago.
Posted by 49 Pan 2020-10-25 10:25||   2020-10-25 10:25|| Front Page Top

#9 When the two pollsters that nailed 2016 are saying Trump is ahead in several swing states and very well could win, and the party owned pollsters are claiming a Biden landslide, I tend to believe with those that were right before.

That being said, I do believe we are seeing the final death spasms of the party run media. They won't be able to recover from this and will degenerate even more to small, paranoid little things that barely anyone watches.
Posted by DarthVader 2020-10-25 11:34||   2020-10-25 11:34|| Front Page Top

#10 Learn to code
Posted by Rex Mundi 2020-10-25 13:47||   2020-10-25 13:47|| Front Page Top

#11 They're Just looking for how much they need to cheat by...
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2020-10-25 14:02||   2020-10-25 14:02|| Front Page Top

#12 After Trump won in '16, there was a brief moment of soul-searching on the part of pollsters, media, even the entertainment industry.

It lasted about a month.

Same thing will happen this time if Trump wins.

Their livelihood depends on being mendacious scumbags, and they will only cease to be mendacious scumbags when it is no longer remunerative or they are dead.
Posted by charger 2020-10-25 14:15||   2020-10-25 14:15|| Front Page Top

#13 There will always be jobs for the best of those trained to read chicken entrails for private clients. As for the rest, almost all have become influence operations pretending to be scientific.
Posted by trailing wife 2020-10-25 16:16||   2020-10-25 16:16|| Front Page Top

#14 If I were hiring a poll, I'd want two products:
One showing my guy ahead that I can use for publicity. Obviously, it may have to be cooked, but not overdone, please We don't want to make people laugh at its wrongness. "Margin of Error" can hide a number of flaws.

The second would be an accurate reading of what is actually happening. This one would be for internal use only and done under a Non-Disclosure Agreement.
Posted by SteveS 2020-10-25 16:45||   2020-10-25 16:45|| Front Page Top

#15 chickenentrails

"Magic 8 Ball sez...what you want it to say"
Pay me.
Posted by Frank G 2020-10-25 16:47||   2020-10-25 16:47|| Front Page Top

#16 As for the rest, almost all have become influence operations pretending to be scientific.

Perhaps something for the FEC or even DOJ to look into.

If they were honest and reliable, that is.
Posted by charger 2020-10-25 17:10||   2020-10-25 17:10|| Front Page Top

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Posted by 3dc 2020-10-25 17:48||   2020-10-25 17:48|| Front Page Top

#18 The way I understand it the internal polling is generally pretty accurate because they know what questions they need and will pay to get the right level of trustworthiness.

The other polls are just propaganda intended to help fund raising and keep hopes up and depress the other guys from showing up.
Posted by rjschwarz 2020-10-25 18:54||   2020-10-25 18:54|| Front Page Top

#19 Given the confirmation bias of the left-leaning press in terms of what to put in the headlines, and what to ignore, and leftism/socialist leanings of the "social sciences" departments and types who do these polls, I think it's inherent that they will be wrong, and wrong in the same direction. This will continue until the ideology is beaten (fiscally) out of them and the academic departments that train them.
Posted by Theager Borgia1057 2020-10-25 21:35||   2020-10-25 21:35|| Front Page Top

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