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At least 18 killed in ISIS suicide attack in Shiite neighborhood in Kabul
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-Lurid Crime Tales-
San Francisco: A String Of Drug Stores Close After Shoplifters Strip The Shelves Bare
[HOTAIR] This week the the Socialist paradise of San Francisco
...where God struck dead Anton LaVey, home of the Sydney Ducks, ruled by Vigilance Committee from 1859 through 1867, reliably and volubly Democrat since 1964...
Chronicle reported on the seventh Walgreens drug store to announce it is closing in the city since last year. The problem is a wave of shoplifting from retail locations that can add up to millions of dollars in lost merchandise:

The drugstore, which serves many older people who live in the Opera Plaza area, is the seventh Walgreens to close in the city since 2019.

"All of us knew it was coming. Whenever we go in there, they always have problems with shoplifters, " said longtime customer Sebastian Luke, who lives a block away and is a frequent customer who has been posting photos of the thefts for months. The other day, Luke photographed a man casually clearing a couple of shelves and placing the goods into a backpack...

A recent trip to the store revealed aisle after aisle of empty or near-empty shelves. Beauty supplies appear to be a favored target...

When a clerk was asked where all the goods had gone, he said, "Go ask the people in the alleys, they have it all."...

No sooner had the clerk spoken than a man wearing a virus mask walked in, emptied two shelves of snacks into a bag, then headed back for the door.

As he walked past the checkout line, a customer called out, "Sure you don’t want a drink with that?"

The Walgreens clerks can’t do anything about the theft because the company has a policy preventing them from interfering in shoplifting. Allegedly this is for their safety but I suspect it’s really because if they didn’t have this policy and anyone got hurt, they would be sued.
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Posted by: gorb || 10/25/2020 2:33 Comments || Top||

#2  But it's not theft; it's reparations. Because rayciss
Posted by: Glineck Spoluling1223 || 10/25/2020 3:11 Comments || Top||

#3  BINASH, indeed. Import barbarians into your cities.
Posted by: magpie || 10/25/2020 16:28 Comments || Top||

#4  If the "True Minimum Wage is Zero" then the corollary is: "You can't buy stuff when there is nobody willing to sell it".
Posted by: magpie || 10/25/2020 21:29 Comments || Top||

Obit for Len Greendorfer Asks Jews to Vote for Trump
[Jweekly] Leonard Louis Greendorfer passed away peacefully on October 11, 2020, at age 92, leaving this earth to join the souls of his loved ones on the joyous Simchat Torah holiday. Len was raised in the Richmond District of his beloved San Francisco and spent much of his young life working at the family's used furniture business on McAllister Street. When San Francisco razed the traditionally Jewish neighborhood of the Fillmore District...

Without pulling punches, Len had disdain for the dramatic changes taking place in local politics and religion. After a brief experiment with a Reform temple, Len and Hannah found a new religious home, as well as a physical home, when they left Daly City to move to Pleasanton... As proud as he was of the accomplishments of his people in Israel, he was just as shamed at the conduct of progressives who abandoned the Jewish faith for the religion of the Democratic Party. The highlight of recent years for Len was President Trump’s courageous and unprecedent support of Israel and the President's strong actions to confront progressive anti-Semitism in the United States.
Posted by: Lord Garth || 10/25/2020 08:49 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6475 views] Top|| File under:

Philander Rodman Jr., Father of Dennis Rodman and 28 Filipino Half-Siblings, RIP
[UNZ] From ESPN, the sad news that key Trump Administration North Korean diplomat Dennis Rodman’s father has died:

Philander Rodman Jr., father of Dennis Rodman, dies at 79

Philander Rodman Jr. died in Angeles City, Pampanga [near Manila in the Philippines] on July 14. He was 79. Jasmine Rodman, his granddaughter, made the announcement on her Facebook page. Philander Rodman Jr. is the father of Basketball Hall of Famer Dennis Rodman,

Philander Rodman Jr. stayed in the Philippines since coming as a member of the U.S. Air Force in the 1970s and had been estranged from his son for 42 years.

He established the Rodman’s Rainbow Obamaburger joint in the former U.S. military base, featuring burgers with red, yellow, and green colored buns and fries, colors his son used for his hair during his championship runs with the Chicago Bulls.

Philander and Dennis met after an exhibition game at the Mall of Asia Arena in 2012. The elder Rodman, who has acknowledged being a father to 29 offsprings by 16 mothers, first tried to meet his son in the Philippines in another game in 2006.

I’ve always imagined that Philander Rodman Sr. probably had quite a life story, too.
Posted by: 746 || 10/25/2020 00:31 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6478 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Philander indeed. The Rod-Man to beat all rod-men
Posted by: Whusong tse Tung8080 || 10/25/2020 4:47 Comments || Top||

-Short Attention Span Theater-
Macy's Cancels Santa Claus
[DAILYWIRE] Macy’s canceled their nearly 160-year-old tradition of hosting Santa Claus in their midtown Manhattan store because of COVID-19.More than a quarter of a million people typically shuffle through the store’s elaborate Santaland each Christmas season, but the close quarters of the attraction have rendered it impossible in the age of social distancing, according to The News Agency that Dare Not be Named.

Santa will also not be appearing in the Macy’s in reliably Democrat Chicago, aka The Windy City or Mobtown
...home of Al Capone, the Chicago Black Sox, a succession of Daleys, Barak Obama, and Rahm Emmanuel...
or the Socialist paradise of San Francisco
...where God struck dead Anton LaVey, home of the Sydney Ducks, ruled by Vigilance Committee from 1859 through 1867, reliably and volubly Democrat since 1964...
, though he will be making an appearance at the annual Macy’s Thanksgiving Day parade, which has also had to undergo adjustments to comply with health guidelines.

Macy’s is offering a virtual Santaland experience on its website, however. "Moving to a virtual engagement will safely bring the magic of Santa Claus to children of all ages this year," Macy’s told the AP.

Many big malls are keeping their Santa displays, the AP reported, but children will be forced to maintain a six-foot distance from him.

Santa Claus is not the only holiday tradition to have been upended by the coronavirus (aka COVID19 or Chinese Plague)
...the twenty first century equivalent of bubonic plague, only instead of killing off a third of the population of Europe it kills 3.4 percent of those who notice they have it. It seems to be fond of the elderly, especially Iranian politicians and holy men...
pandemic. Halloween has also been spoiled in places such as Beverly Hills, which has banned trick-or-treating, trunk-or-treating, and giving candy to anyone outside of one’s family.

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-Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
Anti-lockdown protesters smash police cars in Naples after new Covid-19 restrictions announced
[RT] Protesters defied curfew and attacked police vehicles in Italy’s third-largest city of Naples. The anger was sparked by the governor’s call for a new lockdown after the spread of Covid-19 hit a new daily record.

Chanting "Freedom!" the angry crowds marched through the city streets on Friday night, with some hurling bottles, smoke bombs and other projectiles at the officers. Others attempted to erect barricades using garbage containers and set some of them on fire. Police deployed tear gas as they tried to disperse the rioters.

Videos posted on social media show groups of people attacking police vehicles, forcing the officers to leave the scene.

Violence in Napoli, Italy as people take to the streets after a new lockdown is announced. People have had enough of being muzzled and caged. Unsurprisingly. pic.twitter.com/UIZKbAZ4pW
— Jim Osman (@EdgeCGroup) October 24, 2020

The mass protests in Naples and the port town of Salerno took place despite the nighttime curfew which was imposed by the regional governor and began on Friday. Residents of the southern Campania region were ordered to stay home from 11pm to 5am until November 13....

The public was further outraged when Governor Vincenzo De Luca announced on Friday that an "immediate" lockdown for up to 40 days was essential to stop the spread of the coronavirus."The current data on the infection rate suggests that any type of partial measures is ineffective," he said, explaining that it was vital to close down "everything," except for businesses providing essential services, and to block movement between the regions.

"I don’t want to see a motorcade of trucks filled with coffins," De Luca said, alluding to the eerie images of a fleet of army trucks transporting coffins out of the northern town of Bergamo, which was Italy’s worst-hit place during the peak of the outbreak in March....

Italy was the first country in the world to introduce a strict nationwide lockdown, on March 9, after the virus quickly overwhelmed the healthcare system in the northern Lombardy region. The government eventually began to gradually ease the restrictions while the situation improved. However, the authorities were forced to re-impose tougher measures against Covid-19 as many European nations recorded spikes in coronavirus cases in the recent months....
Posted by: Clem || 10/25/2020 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6464 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Enough is enough. But, cool (property damage aside). I didn't think the Napolitanos had it in 'em.
Posted by: Clem || 10/25/2020 8:08 Comments || Top||

Israel sees further drop in number of new, serious virus cases
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/25/2020 02:37 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6498 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Interesting how a bug, less lethal than an average seasonal flu, can actually become even less lethal over time. Hmmm.
Posted by: Dopey Thaiter8666 || 10/25/2020 8:01 Comments || Top||

#2  Yea, except the drop is traced to enforcing masking/distancing regulations - not viral evolution.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/25/2020 8:28 Comments || Top||

#3  Same thing is happening in parts of the US where the number of infections keep going up but the lethality of the disease keeps going down.

The cause of this phenomenon is unknown. Viral evolution has been proposed as has been the theory that dose response is a factor, that is, if you get only a small hit of the virus because the carrier was distanced, your own immune system has a better chance. Also proposed is more people taking D vitamins. Other theories as well.

When this disease began I followed reports thinking I could understand what was going on.

My bad.
Posted by: Lord Garth || 10/25/2020 9:10 Comments || Top||

#4  /\ Twitter, Farcebook, MSM tell you all you need to know. /sarc
Posted by: Clem || 10/25/2020 9:17 Comments || Top||

#5  #3 Have you given any thought to accumulation of medical experience - both by individual docs/nurses and the new treatments?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/25/2020 9:47 Comments || Top||

#6  Jay Bhattacharya and John Ioannidis from Stanford.
Sunetra Gupta at Oxford.
Martin Kulldorff of Harvard Medical School.

Three respected learning institutions, but to the MSM, it means nothing.
Posted by: Clem || 10/25/2020 9:55 Comments || Top||

#7  ^Less respected today than they were before the covid.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/25/2020 10:01 Comments || Top||

#8  Like Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine...borderline political rags.

I see a correlation with the global warming/climate change lunacy. Establishment: "Our science" is the "real science"...anything else is hogwash and will be debunked because we say so. [And if you do not toe our line, your funding will be cut.]
Posted by: Clem || 10/25/2020 10:10 Comments || Top||

#9  ^Exactly Clem, except to me, dogmatic insistence that covid isn't real = AGW.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/25/2020 10:49 Comments || Top||

#10  Keep beating that strawman dead horse. I don't think anyone here has said it's not real, myself included. We just dispute the damage it does versus your lockdown panic
Posted by: Frank G || 10/25/2020 11:19 Comments || Top||

#11  I feel for you Frank, must be horrible to be you.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/25/2020 11:21 Comments || Top||

#12  Actually, it's pretty awesome. I have my opinion and I don't try to browbeat others into agreeing, unlike others
Posted by: Frank G || 10/25/2020 11:35 Comments || Top||

#13  Psychological (Freudian) projection is a defense mechanism in which the ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves by attributing them to others.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/25/2020 11:59 Comments || Top||

#14  Heh.
Posted by: Frank G || 10/25/2020 12:01 Comments || Top||

#15  After all those Sturgis bikers died and everyone got scared to travel and interact without masks, I could have picked up a new Harley Davidson from Oklahoma for $200 but I wanted to be safe, since Oklahoma isn't lock-down safe, but I found a highly customized one out of Chicago for about the same price and since that is a protest city, I know the bike is totally sterilized and safe.

So that the virus is not as deadly now is great news.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 10/25/2020 12:46 Comments || Top||

#16  Whether you lockdown or not the bug becomes less deadly...

Lockdown cultists will claim credit for any improvement and say we need to lockdown EVEN MOAR if they can.

Lockdowns do not work.

Only Herd Immunity will work, like it has Every other time in the past.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 10/25/2020 14:03 Comments || Top||

#17  Whether you lockdown or not the bug becomes less deadly...

So herd immunity is out, "virus evolves to be less violent" is the new party line?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/25/2020 14:28 Comments || Top||

#18  well, "we need to lockdown and mask up and stay quarantined and destroy our economy and lifestyle" is your party line?
Posted by: Frank G || 10/25/2020 15:30 Comments || Top||

#19  #18 Frank, I worry about you - I used to think these comments of yours are "straw men arguments" that you set up to gain debating points. But no, you really believe that you're saying. Most distressing.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/25/2020 16:27 Comments || Top||

#20  Don't worry about me. I'm American, commenting on local American situations and politics with which I'm intimately familiar, ...because..you know...I live here. Your obsession on controlling the behavior of another nation, however, is...well, obsessive. Have a good day
Posted by: Frank G || 10/25/2020 16:44 Comments || Top||

#21  ^Can I call them, or what?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/25/2020 16:50 Comments || Top||

#22  I would no more comment on internal Israeli politics, pretending to be an expert by reading JPost, Haaretz, etc. than I would tell you how to do your Covid precautions in such a small mixed nation. I'm not an expert. You should learn the same humility
Posted by: Frank G || 10/25/2020 16:51 Comments || Top||

#23  I'm commenting on coronavirus - a subject that I believe has nothing to do with politics - except to people like you.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/25/2020 16:52 Comments || Top||

#24  I dream I could see Grom's boot on the neck: "It's for your own good. You wore the wrong mask"
Posted by: Frank G || 10/25/2020 16:58 Comments || Top||

#25  Here we go again, Frank KNOWS that other people think.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/25/2020 17:04 Comments || Top||

#26  I would no more comment on internal Israeli politics,

I comment on anything that catches my attention. On that note, congratulations on the further drop in your part of the world, g(r)omgoru. Many other problems will be solved when people have to go back to normal life if they want to eat.

Gentlemen, I think it’s time to back away for today.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/25/2020 17:25 Comments || Top||

#27  I'm commenting on coronavirus - a subject that I believe has nothing to do with politics - except to people like you.

Except that how to handle the covid is literally the first 15 minutes of each candidates debate, and in their stump speeches, and locally the topic of each Senatorial candidates advertisements.

How to get people to mobilize for any given subject is called Politics.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 10/25/2020 19:31 Comments || Top||

#28  Viral evolution is the truth g(r)omgoru

(whatever that name means, is the (r) for resentful? repugnant? rigid? reprehensible? or perhaps more simply "ridiculous").

Here is the science you seem unable to grasp:

Mutations are especially prevalent in single strand RNA based viruses, like SARS-CoV-2. In things like this, evolution favors a virus that can spread more easily and survives to spread longer - basically they become more contagious and less deadly as time goes on and mutations occur that are naturally selected for by survival of the host.

Its called Mueller's Ratchet. Multiple strains of SARS-VoC2 (mutations) showed up months ago in the US. It appears the dominant ones showed up in the big burst in Houston back in May-June, and happened to be more contagious and less deadly, as predicted by the above.

“A summary of the data thus far suggests that this strain has gained a fitness advantage over the original and is more transmissible as a result,” said Joseph Petrosino, Baylor College of Medicine chair of molecular virology and microbiology. “It is safe to say this version is more infectious.” He said Baylor is finding the mutated strain in as many as 80 percent of viruses it analyzes.

“There were clearly mutations in the virus, some of which need to be followed very carefully in future,” said Musser. “Some mutations may well represent beginnings of new virus families that could cause differences in severity or an ability to elude the immune system.”

Here's some science for you, you poor deluded fool, to demonstrate that it IS mutation that's driving the infections:

A SARS-CoV-2 variant with Spike G614 has replaced D614 as the dominant pandemic form. The consistent increase of G614 at regional levels may indicate a fitness advantage. The shift occurred even in local epidemics where the original D614 form was well established prior to introduction of the G614 variant. In infected individuals, G614 is associated with lower RT-PCR cycle thresholds, suggestive of higher upper respiratory tract viral loads, but not with increased disease severity.


Care to apologize for your spreading of disinformation and lies?

Posted by: Theager Borgia1057 || 10/25/2020 21:04 Comments || Top||

#29  Theager Borgia1057 (TB? LOL):

Thanks for the academic link. I may find that useful. Rantburg-U lives on!

BTW, re: that name:

Just so ya know, rougarou (or roo-garoo) is a Acadian (Cajun) name for a human body wolf-head creature that haunts the swamps at night in Acadia and New Orleans and the parishes around those parts. So maybe he thinks he is a werewolf? Seen them as costumes during the Mardis Gras decades ago, so Im not so sure if they are even told of much anymore. I'm old.

Per Wikipedia "garou" is "餓狼" in Japanese, and is the name of the antagonist in One Punch Man anime comic book; his mission is to seek out and beat up all heroes. Maybe thats it?

So who really knows?

But as far as I can tell, the initial "g" in g(r)omgarou is the important letter. Its "g" for gullible. Don't bother him with science, he's on a religious crusade of some sort with this stuff.

Happy Halloween y'all.

Oh, and from this former Anti-Trumper: Vote Trump. Yeah I was wrong, and owned up to it a long time ago. I made the error of paying too much attention to his loudmouthed nature. His deeds are pretty impressive in retrospect, especially in context of all the obstacles thrown at him and an internal coup attempt, as well as a pandemic. Deeds not words. Judge Biden the same way and he comes up lacking massively.
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/25/2020 21:29 Comments || Top||

Science & Technology
Spain's government to decree COVID-19 state of emergency, tighten controls
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/25/2020 11:20 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6504 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Coronavirus cases in the Netherlands hit new daily record
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/25/2020 11:23 Comments || Top||

#2  Worldwide coronavirus cases cross 42.28 million, death toll at 1,144,689
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/25/2020 11:24 Comments || Top||

#3  Britain records 23,012 new COVID cases on Saturday, up from Friday

F*cking Brits, they have the best General Biologists in the world - but instead of asking their advice they listen to MBAs.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/25/2020 11:27 Comments || Top||

#4  Per the CDC:
Each year, 1.35 million people are killed on roadways around the world. Every day, almost 3,700 people are killed globally in road traffic crashes involving cars, buses, motorcycles, bicycles, trucks, or pedestrians. More than half of those killed are pedestrians, motorcyclists, and cyclists.
Posted by: 746 || 10/25/2020 13:13 Comments || Top||

#5  Yep UK is tired of the lockdown cultists and their ridiculously faulty models.

Lockdown will end soon or Boris will be ending as PM.

Protect the elderly who are at risk, let the rest not suffer group punishment with them
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 10/25/2020 14:00 Comments || Top||

#6  Everywhere cases are up, often to daily records, but daily deaths are about what they’ve been for months in most places, what’s going on?
Posted by: Glenmore || 10/25/2020 15:56 Comments || Top||

#7  ^Nowadays there's (approx) a month's delay between first symptoms & dying (for these who're going to die). And, of course, a lot less people die nowadays - the medical system has almost a year to learn.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/25/2020 16:31 Comments || Top||

#8  Mah excuses!
Posted by: Frank G || 10/25/2020 16:46 Comments || Top||

#9  Now its 4 weeks? Wasn't it 1 week 4 weeks ago?

Starting to feel like that radar operator in Airplane! trying to figure Ted Striker's approach into Chicago.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 10/25/2020 18:37 Comments || Top||

#10  1 million people have died out of almost 8 billion?
Posted by: Cluper and Company4908 || 10/25/2020 23:12 Comments || Top||

#11  #9 I'll never get over macho grande
Posted by: flash91 || 10/25/2020 23:20 Comments || Top||

#12  Surely you can't be serious.
Posted by: Rambler in Virginia || 10/25/2020 23:34 Comments || Top||

Trump issued edict eliminating job protections for 10s of thousands (maybe millions) of fed employees involved in policy-making, paves the way for mass firing of govt employees
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/25/2020 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6514 views] Top|| File under:

#1  If I were 'undecided' or had no other reason for voting for this man, this one would certainly put me over the top. There can be no 'draining of the swamp' without it.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/25/2020 2:52 Comments || Top||

#2  I was shocked to see it, Besoeker. To me this was a platonic ideal item, never to be seen in the real world. But we only will really get it if Donald Trump and the Republicans are reelected.

Just as shocking to me is the report of voter buyer’s remorse. Hopefully that lead to returning to limited mail-in voting and getting rid of early in-person voting options.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/25/2020 3:04 Comments || Top||

#3  Goodbye, FBI, CIA and EPA - someone will miss you but it won't be any of us.
Posted by: Raj || 10/25/2020 7:41 Comments || Top||

#4  /\ These omnipotent Northern Virginia based bureaucracies produce nothing tangible and consume enormous amounts of the public treasure. Their wage scales are oftentimes twice or three times what the 'forgotten man' in fly-over might hope to make. I have worked among them. They are a closed society which will fight tooth and nail to control their vast empire.

They are feces disturbers and misery merchants on a global scale. They are the plank holders of the Deep State.

Please pray for the Orange Man, that he might prevail and bring and end to this big government malignancy.

Posted by: Besoeker || 10/25/2020 8:05 Comments || Top||

#5  But who's gonna initial off on the 702's?

[Oh, never mind, they don't do it anyway.]
Posted by: Clem || 10/25/2020 8:11 Comments || Top||

#6  #4 They're a fraternity, Besoeker. A fraternity.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/25/2020 8:28 Comments || Top||

#7  Trump hasn't even fired the political appointees he is allowed to fire.

This is hyped.
Posted by: Lord Garth || 10/25/2020 9:12 Comments || Top||

#8  And it still drives me nuts that Trump hired John Bolton. I'll get over it one of these days.
Posted by: Clem || 10/25/2020 9:14 Comments || Top||

#9  Regardless of the election out ome, history (assuming western civilization survives in some corm) will see Trump’s administration as the besieged presidency. That he has grown into the office and has become increasingly effective and popular is a testimony to his determination and force of character. God willing he is re-elected there will be a deep reckoning with the deep state, the MSM and the tech oligarchs. Oh and China will increasingly go broke and isolated.
Posted by: NoMoreBS || 10/25/2020 12:48 Comments || Top||

#10  The USA is committing social, political, and economic suicide. Trump may just be delaying the inevitable, and China (at least on the economic front) will swoop in and pick up the pieces.
Posted by: Clem || 10/25/2020 13:08 Comments || Top||

#11  I suppose all those who might be affected have already voted. Good timing, Don!
Posted by: Bobby || 10/25/2020 13:45 Comments || Top||

Major Denmark Study May Show Masks Are Largely Ineffective, 'Science' Promptly Censors It
Posted by: Angereng Glotch9200 || 10/25/2020 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6496 views] Top|| File under:

#1  They can always publish in in Journal of Irreproducible Science.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/25/2020 2:30 Comments || Top||

#2  There have been several others as well. Science fact: Unless you are wearing an N95 mask, the masks are not filtering much anything of particles the size of the aerosolized virus, only the large particles. And if you are wearing a fabric mask, or a bandana, they are filtering even less. Therefore: ineffective.
Posted by: Don Vito Theresing4682 || 10/25/2020 3:20 Comments || Top||


Real-time pandemic data paints a vivid picture of the relationship between mask-wearing and the prevalence of covid-19 symptoms

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Remember children, there may be a Santa Klaus, but 35 Years of Research Into Coronavirus Infections Show Long-Term Immunity Is Unlikely. And therefore, there is no herd immunity.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/25/2020 3:24 Comments || Top||

#4  CDC, Oct 12:

A Centers for Disease Control report released in September shows that masks and face coverings are not effective in preventing the spread of COVID-19, even for those people who consistently wear them.

“In the 14 days before illness onset, 71% of case-patients ... reported always using cloth face coverings or other mask types when in public”

Over 70 percent of the case-patients were contaminated with the virus and fell ill despite “always” wearing a mask.

In addition, over 14 percent of the case-patients said they “often” wore a face covering and were still infected with the virus.

“Characterization of community exposures can be difficult to assess when widespread transmission is occurring, especially from asymptomatic persons within inherently interconnected communities,”

“direction, ventilation, and intensity of airflow might affect virus transmission, even if social distancing measures and mask use are implemented according to current guidance.”

Hate to disappoint you but Rantburg isn't Twitter, and this CDC study will not be censored forever.

Posted by: Don Vito Theresing4682 || 10/25/2020 3:32 Comments || Top||

#5  gromgoo, acquired immunity does exist, and happens routinely for all coronaviruses. Thats why despite the cold virus comeing and mutating every year, nobody ever dies from it. We develop acquired immunity, and it gets less effective over time, so a virus may surface years later, but most will still have some amount of T-cell mediated immunity, as well as a limited amount of cross-immunity from other coronavirus variants. Herd immunity can and will exist, but will be short lived.

Where did you get your medical degree, out of a cereal box? Fearmonger is what you are, so frightened of the world. Why not just hole up and cower from the world? Seems to be your gutless nature.
Posted by: Don Vito Theresing4682 || 10/25/2020 3:38 Comments || Top||

#6  ^Covid sceptics diatribes have all the passionate intensity of 5 years old arguing against eating spinach.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/25/2020 3:43 Comments || Top||

#7  and lockdown co-religionists have all the integrity of Joe and Hunter Biden
Posted by: Frank G || 10/25/2020 6:39 Comments || Top||

#8  /\ And politicians such as "Dr." Fauxi.
Posted by: Clem || 10/25/2020 7:49 Comments || Top||

#9  In retrospect, "covid-sceptics" passion is perfect understandable: Politics key to views on COVID-19 in U.S., poll shows . So, basically, they're not trying to arrive at a better picture of reality through debate - they are bashing ideological enemies with whatever comes to hand: no matter how childish ill-bred their arguments (not all covid-skeptics: Clem, P2k) may appear to a disinterested observer.
Now I admit, masks ARE the means to brainwash the free American people to obedience. Once mask-wearing becomes the norm, we (the galactic slavers) will be able to convince the American People that drugging boys with Ritalin (for being bad girls) is perfectly OK. Whence we will be able to proceed to wide ranging discrimination in educational and employment opportunities - by calling them "affirmative action". Since, despite affirmative action, equality of outcomes will not be observed - we will be able to introduce the notion of "systemic racism". And I didn't even mention gender fluidity yet.
All of these, highly desirable from the point of view of freedom hating furriners such as myself, will become reality - rather than the current fantasy - once we train the freedom loving Americans to wear masks in public buildings/transportation.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/25/2020 8:15 Comments || Top||

#10  ^ you left out Control Freaks™
Posted by: Frank G || 10/25/2020 9:32 Comments || Top||

#11  Masks, masks, masks...didn't work in 1918, either (Stockton, CA, vis-a-vis Bah-ston, MA):

Posted by: Clem || 10/25/2020 9:35 Comments || Top||

#12  Well, if you believe current infection rate numbers and take into account how many places have mask mandates in place, then we pretty much already knew this.
Posted by: Iblis || 10/25/2020 12:03 Comments || Top||

#13  The Washington Post graph is garbage.

Other than New York finishing in the top 5, one person getting sick in ND is a different percentage of the state population than in CA.

Agriculture states like ND or WY or KS, we consider our neighbors in a 50 mile radius, or we know the person who knows the person who knows the exposed person living on the interstate.

Everyone in my county knows the (very very few) people who have tested for exposure recently. And the county over. And the county over.

Any mask, even the 95, which relies on earhooks to stay in place is flawed and breaks seal everytime the user talks, or chews, or pops their eardrums, yawns, oven even opens their mouth to increase the amount of air flow as intake is now cluttered.

The exhale air has to go somewhere so it blows out the seal break.

g(r)om, as an ex-smoker you should know all this.

Those longer, deeper inhales pull any garbage in the air further into the lungs.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 10/25/2020 13:22 Comments || Top||

#14  My former GP (we lost him when Obamacare changed everything; but I passed him on to my mother, so we still keep in touch), who used to be president of the Ohio medical association and is engaged each year to speak at the national epidemiology association convention in DC, has gone all in on those clear plastic health shields rather than face masks. He presents a comparison of effectiveness here — he addresses your mask-wearing concerns directly, swksvolFF.

For the science-curious, he provides a link in the right margin to a page with journal references supporting his claims.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/25/2020 18:32 Comments || Top||

#15  g(r)om, as an ex-smoker you should know all this.

I'm not an ex-smoker. I just roll my own.

Those longer, deeper inhales pull any garbage in the air further into the lungs

Mask doesn't have to be hermetic to protect you. It's enough that it filters some of the virus - because dose appears to be important.See
COVID-19: Does the Infectious Inoculum Dose-Response Relationship Contribute to Understanding Heterogeneity in Disease Severity and Transmission Dynamics?

The population level effect - such as observed in Israel in the last month (decreasing the infection rate by a factor of magnitude) - derives by decreasing the chances of infection for each mask wearer. Finally, a mask can stop 90% of the viruses that somebody who's infected - but doesn't know it yet, exhales.

TW. A face shield provides more protection than a mask, but doesn't prevent spreading as well as a mask - ask your GP.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/25/2020 19:09 Comments || Top||

#16  p.s. I see lots of old people wearing both a mask & a shield.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/25/2020 19:12 Comments || Top||

#17  I'm not going to be "trained" to wear a mask, nor will stop giving people who work at public places a hard time when they ask me to put one on. I'm responsible for my own safety, not them. I'm an American, I have rights, and I understand personal responsibility.
Posted by: Crusader || 10/25/2020 19:56 Comments || Top||

#18  The Bavarian Ministry of Health advised against the use of these masks, labeling them as "largely useless" ... until they quietly scrapped this info.
Posted by: European Conservative || 10/25/2020 21:09 Comments || Top||

#19  @ #13 - I wondered the same thing about that rubbish chart re: the population density of, say, North/South Dakota versus Nueva York State. Nothing from The Compost surprises me.
Posted by: Clem || 10/25/2020 21:41 Comments || Top||

#20  I'm not an ex-smoker. I just roll my own.

Understood. OTC cigs are absolute garbage.

Thank you for the link TW, though leery of sales pitches I have to agree. Why some sectors such as dentist assistant teeth cleaners have not been doing this, well.

My approach is an application of masks, opposed to theory. The part about which is face touching, the eye rubbing and nose picking, was worked out of me in the food industry and home cooking experience. Those who work with onions and peppers know exactly what I'm talking about.

The short shallow breath I've found is the best defense against fire smoke, though that is tough under physical exertion, is the best short of face shield with positive pressure air. The mask was good for stopping the fire embers from going into the respiratory system but still was breathed in as it worked through the fibers of the mask. What I would cough out pales in comparison to what the mask caught even if the hood was wetted.

Yeah, that chart, what does that mean Know Somebody. Tom Hanks says he had it, does that count? Is that one, two, three degrees of separation of Kevin Bacon game?
Posted by: swksvolFF || 10/25/2020 22:17 Comments || Top||

#21  Yah, I got my lungs damaged by white phosphorous, and maybe something else. When I couldn't catch a breathe, the doctors told me to 'pant like a dog, short shallow breaths, rapidly'. It did help. Doesn't cure the basic problems, though. These damned masks they have us wearing are killing me slowly.
Posted by: Daffy Freaking Bonaparte4364 || 10/25/2020 23:58 Comments || Top||

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