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2011-04-16 Africa North

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Posted by Bobby 2011-04-16 16:38|| || Front Page|| [11131 views ] Top

#1 This is the lesson of welfare. You engender weakness when you engender dependency.

The US should pull out of Europe ASAP. Maybe then the Europeans would start taking their own security seriously.

Posted by Mike Ramsey 2011-04-16 17:07|| 2011-04-16 17:07|| Front Page Top

#2 Once again the eggshell of strategery splatters against the brick wall of logistics.

Didn't anyone do the math before this thing got started?

Posted by Matt 2011-04-16 17:50|| 2011-04-16 17:50|| Front Page Top

#3 "you have to wonder what kind of war they were planning on fighting"

None. They've always planned on us fighting the wars and them taking the credit (while bad-mouthing us for being such bullies).

Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2011-04-16 17:50|| 2011-04-16 17:50|| Front Page Top

#4 Miss Barbara -

Truer words were never spoken. But the inline commentary also reveals a thoroughly dirty little secret about Cold War NATO ops: very, very little of our stuff was compatible with Allied gear, and vice versa. It's only gotten worse.

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2011-04-16 18:36|| 2011-04-16 18:36|| Front Page Top

#5 The one comfort in all this may be that all those stolen, back engineered French, British, American equipment and designs that the Chinese start producing won't be any more interoperable than the real stuff.

Posted by Procopius2k 2011-04-16 18:42|| 2011-04-16 18:42|| Front Page Top

#6 The current bombing rate by the participating nations is not sustainable.

That's true. They expected the Americans to provide bulk of men and materiel.

Although the United States has significant stockpiles, its munitions do not fit on the British- and French-made planes that have flown the bulk of the missions.

That's false. The British Tornado can carry both JDAMs and Paveway LGBs. The Rafale can carry Paveways.

Posted by Zebulon Thranter9685 2011-04-16 19:22|| 2011-04-16 19:22|| Front Page Top

#7 But are Britain & France even deploying the Tornado & Rafale? I thought I recall the Brits had grounded most/all the Tornado.
One caveat to all this: if this was a 'real' war, and US munitions and NATO platforms were all that was available, I guarantee that the airmen would make it (sorta) work if you let them.

Posted by Glenmore 2011-04-16 20:15|| 2011-04-16 20:15|| Front Page Top

#8 Yes. British ground strikes are done almost exclusively by the Tornado. The French use Rafale, Super Etendard (carry US LGB) and Mirage 2000. The Mirage 2000D (ground attack variant) can also drop US LBGs.

Then there are Canadians (F-18), Swedes (Gripen), Norwegians (F-16), Belgians (f-16) and Danes (F-16).

If anyone were really running low, all they would have to do is ask to use the US stockpile.

Posted by Zebulon Thranter9685 2011-04-16 20:37|| 2011-04-16 20:37|| Front Page Top

#9 So Obama has moved up from having a stash to having a laser guided bomb stockpile.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2011-04-16 22:18|| 2011-04-16 22:18|| Front Page Top

#10 Crank up the assembly lines in the US and start selling them.

Posted by OldSpook 2011-04-16 22:20|| 2011-04-16 22:20|| Front Page Top

#11 Crank up the assembly lines in the US and start selling them.

Posted by OldSpook 2011-04-16 22:20|| 2011-04-16 22:20|| Front Page Top

#12 This is what happens when wars have to be fought with hands tied to the back.

The UN way.

My Bundeswehr times were a bit different. We were told that we would be sent to the Fulda Gap to slow the Soviet advance until US forces would come to the rescue.

I remember a new recrute asking:
"Our rescue?"
"No. You will be dead. All of you."

Posted by European Conservative 2011-04-16 22:30|| 2011-04-16 22:30|| Front Page Top

#13 Frankly I don't understand the Libya issue.
If NATO needs to get involved, just plaster Duffy's bunker with the heaviest bunker busters you have.

That'll be precise enough

Posted by European Conservative 2011-04-16 22:38|| 2011-04-16 22:38|| Front Page Top

#14 Euroconservative, I was deployed forward of you. 2ACR (to the south of 11ACR and Fulda). We were the speedbump for the 1GTA (2ACR)and most of GSFG coming down the Hof gap which was the bypass for Fulda.

Posted by OldSpook 2011-04-16 23:57|| 2011-04-16 23:57|| Front Page Top

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