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2010-09-13 Home Front: WoT

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Posted by Fred 2010-09-13 00:00|| || Front Page|| [1 views ] Top
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#1 In a debate on the planned Islamic center near Ground Zero, on the Al-Jazeera TV program "From Washington DC," As'ad Abu Khalil, California State University professor, and Usama Abu Irshaid, editor of the U.S.-based Al-Meezan newspaper, disagreed on certain aspects, but both criticized President Barack Obama for failing to provide leadership in this issue. They also discussed American attitudes toward Islam and Muslims.The debate aired on Al-Jazeera TV on August 24, 2010.

The following are excerpts from the debate:

"Let's be frank Obama has failed miserably. Obama speaks a lot, and his discourse is positive, but when it comes to politics Obama is the same candidate whose campaign staff removed two hijab-clad women from the frame, during his elections campaign.

"It was Obama who invited Muslim homosexuals to Iftar last year, but did not invite the real leaders of the Muslim community. Who attended this year's Iftar? Many Muslim leaders did not attend. There is an effort to reshape the perception of Islam throughout the U.S.

"One final thing, Muhammad. I am not afraid of the issue of the Islamic Center, whether or not it is built. What I fear most is that the pressure exerted on us, as a Muslim community, will make us change many of our principles."

"Only a few weeks ago, some Muslim community representatives considered 'leaders' merely because they are welcome at the White House visited Poland and went to one of the Holocaust sites there. Now they talk about the Holocaust and what happened in the 1930s and 1940s, but we don't hear them talk about what happened in Gaza."

Posted by Infidel 2010-09-13 01:28|| 2010-09-13 01:28|| Front Page Top

#2 Don't push us too far.
This was a #1 hit song in 1944

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2010-09-13 01:35|| 2010-09-13 01:35|| Front Page Top

#3 Rauf's is in effect calling for ceding territorial sovereignty of at least Lower Manhattan to the Islamic world, lest it 'explode.'

When will MSM opinion leaders be calling for Rauf's arrest for making terrorist threats?

Btw "Smoke On The Water" is actually quite blasphemous. The references to "Earth's Heavenly Sovereign" (aka Hirohito) and the Sun (Hirohito's ancestor Amaterasu) are certainly disrespectful and even hostile.

I guess sensitivity training hadn't been invented yet.

Posted by Omaing White7048 2010-09-13 06:30|| 2010-09-13 06:30|| Front Page Top

#4 Btw "Smoke On The Water" is actually quite blasphemous. I thought it was more bloodthirsty than anything I had heard coming out of the US-era WWII & was a bit surprised to learn it was a #1 hit, and kind of a gospel number, too. It was a good thing for Japan that Hirohito decided to surrender after 2 nukes. I still think we would have done nuke saturation bombing had he not surrendered (or been overthrown by the militarists, as could have happened).

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2010-09-13 13:43|| 2010-09-13 13:43|| Front Page Top

#5 I made that point about blasphemy only half in jest.

This song went beyond mocking God-Emperor Hirohito and directly attacked State-Shintoism as a religion:

There'll be smoke on the mountains
Where the Heathen Gods stay
And the sun that is risin
Will go down on that day

That's a clear attack on local Shinto deities (Kami) and on Amaterasu, the goddess of the sun ("sun will go down").

The ideology that ruled Japan in 1944 was, among other things, indeed a real religion with a historical tradition older than Islam's.

Still the American public and the political class were not squeamish at all about 'offending religious sensitivities.'

Religious freedom was imposed on Japan, and profound doctrinal change was imposed on (no longer State-) Shintoism.

Today there's a war in which the enemy can't even be named as that would hurt religious feelings.

Posted by Omaing White7048 2010-09-13 18:09|| 2010-09-13 18:09|| Front Page Top

#6 NEWS KERALA says He's decided to proceed forward in suppor + building the GZ MOSQUE PROJECT AMAP despite the controvery.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2010-09-13 22:30|| 2010-09-13 22:30|| Front Page Top

#7 I still think we would have done nuke saturation bombing had he not surrendered

Actually, that was our last nuke!

If I remember right, what got them to crack was when we flew about 1000 B-29s right over the Japanese mainland. After seeing what one could do, they decided to surrender about an hour later.

Posted by gorb 2010-09-13 22:59|| 2010-09-13 22:59|| Front Page Top

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