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2007-12-13 -Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
Unfettered 'citizen journalism' too risky
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Posted by Gabby Cussworth 2007-12-13 00:23|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [6496 views ]  Top

#1 > While it has its place, the reality is it really isn't journalism at all, and it opens up information flow to the strong probability of fraud and abuse.

You being sarcasitic aren't you!

> The news industry should find some way to monitor and regulate this new trend.

Must control information flow to the serfs!

It's the MSM that's been lieing, and people have been monitoring it. The best informend people do NOT trust the MSM news.
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2007-12-13 06:25||   2007-12-13 06:25|| Front Page Top

#2 After the bullshit of the last 10 years, this guy has balls big enough to come in a dumptruck to suggest that citizen journalism is any less accurate or prone to abuse than the major media outlet stuff.
Posted by bigjim-ky 2007-12-13 06:44||   2007-12-13 06:44|| Front Page Top

#3 "Having just anyone produce widely distributed stories without control can have the reverse effect from what advocates intend. It's just a matter of time before something like a faked Rodney King beating video appears on the air somewhere."

Yeah. Or faked National Guard memos. Uh-huh.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D.  2007-12-13 07:58||   2007-12-13 07:58|| Front Page Top

#4 Or a faked lack of famine in the USSR.
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2007-12-13 08:07||   2007-12-13 08:07|| Front Page Top

#5 > this guy has balls big enough to come in a dumptruck

I would "rather" Fools rush in where heroes fear to tread.
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2007-12-13 08:09||   2007-12-13 08:09|| Front Page Top

#6 But we have already seen the line between news and entertainment blur enough to destroy significant credibility.

Significant? I don't think so.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2007-12-13 08:14||   2007-12-13 08:14|| Front Page Top

#7 "But unlike those other professions, journalism — at least in the United States — has never adopted uniform self-regulating standards."

They say this like it's a bad thing. As in "If journalism won't put its own regulation in place government will have to do it - and individuals won't qualify as journalists." I would have said the Supreme Court would call such a thing un-Constitutional, but that was before McCain-Feingold was upheld.
Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore  2007-12-13 08:31||   2007-12-13 08:31|| Front Page Top

#8 His bottom line is - "We do not trust the people". So, why has he chosen to live in a 'democracy' other than the usual benefits most parasites enjoy in living off a host?
Posted by Procopius2k 2007-12-13 08:56||   2007-12-13 08:56|| Front Page Top

#9 Ah, the Guild of Buggy Whip Makers fights back...

Either that, or this is a parody. I mean, talking about the potential of fraud and abuse from amateurs, as if we don't already see constant fraud and abuse from the "professionals"? How many fake massacre reports has the AJC printed? How many of Bilal Hussein's photos did they run? How much of Pallywood's product have they used?

Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford  2007-12-13 09:16||]">[]  2007-12-13 09:16|| Front Page Top

#10 While it has its place, the reality is it really isn't journalism at all, and it opens up information flow to the strong probability of fraud and abuse.

So it isn't journalism.

The news industry should find some way to monitor and regulate this new trend.

But it is somehow "the news industry" and subject to monitoring and regulation by journalists.
Posted by Excalibur 2007-12-13 09:28||   2007-12-13 09:28|| Front Page Top

#11 Journalists generally don't like any kind of standards or regulation.

Yeah. No shit. Thanks for that inside info...
Posted by tu3031 2007-12-13 09:44||   2007-12-13 09:44|| Front Page Top

#12 It is funny to talk to "journalists" on the subject, because even though they proudly "have no ethical standards", a resolution they reach on an annual basis, they religiously adhere to their non-standards and insist there is no other way for "journalists" to behave.

In other words, their entire industry has a glass-like rigidity to change of any kind, be it in their practices or ethics, or even their business model. And this is taught in every journalism department in every university.

It is to the point of when *anyone* suggests *any* change, they put their fingers in their ears and yell "La-la-la-la-la! I can't hear you!"

What possible future could journalism face other than collapse?
Posted by Anonymoose 2007-12-13 09:49||   2007-12-13 09:49|| Front Page Top

#13 "Certify citizen journalists"? I got yer certification right here, pal...
Posted by mojo">mojo  2007-12-13 11:01||   2007-12-13 11:01|| Front Page Top

#14 CNN's last YouTube Republican debate included a question from a retired general who is on Hillary Clinton's l3sbian, g@y, bisecksual and transgender steering committee

Then the problem was with CNN. Journalist, regulate thyself.
Posted by charger 2007-12-13 11:16||   2007-12-13 11:16|| Front Page Top

#15 Most other professions do a poor job of self-regulation, but at least they have mechanisms to regulate themselves. Journalists do not.

Thus the rise of citizen journalism to combat the fraud and bias of the MSM. Funny how he listed as examples two events that were frauds propagated by CNN and the Clinton campaign which were quickly debunked on the Internet blogs rather than by the MSM itself.
Posted by Whomong Guelph4611 2007-12-13 11:21||   2007-12-13 11:21|| Front Page Top

#16 Yeah, you amateurs keep ya noses outta where they don't belong. Leave the journalism to the professionals.
Posted by Thge Ghost of Walter Duranty 2007-12-13 11:31||   2007-12-13 11:31|| Front Page Top

#17 Thomas Paine is spinning in his grave.
Posted by BrerRabbit 2007-12-13 11:57||   2007-12-13 11:57|| Front Page Top

#18 His bio and such are here
Posted by 3dc 2007-12-13 13:17||   2007-12-13 13:17|| Front Page Top

#19 He owns Intelligent Media Consultants, LLC, a company responsible for training the staffs and helping to launch eight television networks around the world, mostly on the sub-continent.

These include Aaj Tak and CNN-IBN in India and GEO TV in Pakistan.

IN TOUCHISTAN! Guess his interests do not lie with the USA.

He has also consulted for broadcasters and publishers such as the Voice of America, Gramedia in Indonesia, and Alsumaria in Beirut and Baghdad. While on the faculty, Hazinski spent two years as writer, co-host and technology advisor of the internationally syndicated World Business Review with Caspar Weinberger, the Secretary of Defense under Ronald Reagan. Before coming to UGA, Hazinski served six years as an international correspondent for NBC News, covering the U.S., Europe, and Central America -- and ten years before that as a TV reporter with stations in Charlotte and Pittsburgh.
Posted by 3dc 2007-12-13 13:19||   2007-12-13 13:19|| Front Page Top

#20 This is as good a time as any to bring up the Rosetta Stone of media bias, Thomas M. Frank's remarkable cultural history The Conquest of Cool
Business Culture, Counterculture, and the Rise of Hip Consumerism.

This documents the symbiosis of the news media, entertainment, and advertising with the so-called youth counter-culture of the 60s and its various cultural outgrowths.
In particular, it explains the commercial incentives for the rise of an institutionalized leftist subculture within the media-industrial complex, and the reasons for that subculture's continued dominance.
Written before the rise of the blogosphere (1997), it sets the stage for today's ongoing challenge to media power.
Posted by Dick Arbusto, CEO of Hallibushwater 2007-12-13 13:21||   2007-12-13 13:21|| Front Page Top

#21 Perhaps Mr. Hazinski would be kind enough to sell us rubes Indulgences so we may forth and journal.
Posted by ed 2007-12-13 13:26||   2007-12-13 13:26|| Front Page Top

#22 No, we aren't journalists. We are citizen-reporters, attempting to conform to the old-fashioned Who/What/When/Where/Why. Not journalists, who use reports of events to shape opinions, and thus attempt to shape future events. And when we lie, if it's important enough, others amongst the citizenry demonstrate that we did so -- ever so much more effective than editorial staff. But then, the journalist in question is an associate professor in a shrinking field, so we must understand why he's upset.
Posted by trailing wife">trailing wife  2007-12-13 14:13||   2007-12-13 14:13|| Front Page Top

#23 LOL, I know who Richard Arbusto is now!

Hi AC!
Posted by Thomas Woof 2007-12-13 14:14||   2007-12-13 14:14|| Front Page Top

#24 We've got to protect our phone balony jobs! Give the editor a hurumph!

As old media and hollywood become less important-influential, they must re-make themselves into the absolute authority so the rubes everyday person voluntarily looks to them for guidence and acceptence (journalistic, social behavior, opinions).

Major news organizations must create standards to substantiate citizen-contributed information and video, and ensure its accuracy and authenticity.
But what will Green Helmut Guy do?
Posted by swksvolFF 2007-12-13 15:03||   2007-12-13 15:03|| Front Page Top

#25 Mr. Hazinski is the enemy. The bought and paid for propaganda arm of the Islamofacists. Of course they are going to trash the only source of real news that threatens their monopoly.
Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader  2007-12-13 16:34||   2007-12-13 16:34|| Front Page Top

#26 This line is pure garbage:

"Information without journalistic standards is called gossip"

It's right there in the story, and increasingly such ignorance in print is commonplace.

Information without journalistic standards is information. It may be unreported, or unpublicized, or unknown, but it becomes gossip when it is altered beyond recognition, by design or omission, and all too often from exactly the "journalists" so deservingly embattled these days.

Power to the Peepel!
Posted by Glung McGurque2454 2007-12-13 16:42||   2007-12-13 16:42|| Front Page Top

#27 glad people are talking about this, we talked about this on blogflict today - - this is a critical time for citizen journalists.
Posted by Jason">Jason  2007-12-13 17:07||]">[]  2007-12-13 17:07|| Front Page Top

#28 But we have already seen the line between news and entertainment blur enough to destroy significant credibility.

Significant? I don't think so.

I agree, there's no credibility at all.
Posted by Redneck Jim 2007-12-13 17:07||   2007-12-13 17:07|| Front Page Top

#29 "you amateurs keep ya noses outta where they don't belong. Leave the journalism lying to the professionals."

Fixed that for ya', #16 Ghost.
Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut  2007-12-13 19:37||]">[]  2007-12-13 19:37|| Front Page Top


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Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2007-12-13 19:38||   2007-12-13 19:38|| Front Page Top

#31 Unfettered 'citizen journalism' too risky

MSM--> Out and Out Lies aside... countless :)

RE: The Fettered MSM: The list of tells and examples of biases and thundering Group Think expressed by the Main Stream Media are so long it isn't doable by any one person no matter how gifted she or he may be..

There have been hundreds of polls given to various groups of media types, journalists and Rapporteurs™ and many of them have been published!

One poll repeated every four years produces the same Shocking result! LOL! Both times back in the 90s the White House Press Corps voted for Bill Clinton nine to one!

Bias, subtle, some not..

Well.. A developing story which may have a negative impact on let's say Congressman Smith and you'll notice that Rapporteurs™ & Editors will rather consistently write it up this way...

Congressman Smith, a Republican Nevada and cultural conservative, is currently disputing $50 thousand dollars in Government matching funds from last years election. *

Whereas if the perp is a Screaming Liberal demoCra'p..

Congressman Smith, Nevada, is currently disputing $50 thousand dollars in Government matching funds from last years election that he won in a huge landslide.

It is endless...


[btw, * In our story the Republican also won in a landslide! ]
Posted by RD">RD  2007-12-13 23:25||   2007-12-13 23:25|| Front Page Top

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