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2007-12-13 -Lurid Crime Tales-
CO church gunman left twisted trail
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Posted by Korora 2007-12-13 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [6494 views ]  Top

#1 So much for Dawkin's and Pullman's arguments for the inherent benevolence of atheism and anti-Christianity.
Posted by no mo uro 2007-12-13 06:29||   2007-12-13 06:29|| Front Page Top

#2 Everyone I've ever met that was home schooled was quite odd. There's something to be said for the socialization process, even if your kid occasionally hears something you disagree with (gasp and swoon).
Posted by bigjim-ky 2007-12-13 06:58||   2007-12-13 06:58|| Front Page Top

#3 Interesting how quickly Jeanne Assam fell out of the news. I wonder what would have happened if she had hit another congregant instead.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2007-12-13 07:39||   2007-12-13 07:39|| Front Page Top

#4 I find everyone indicted for felonies in our county has attended public school. There's something to be said for having "socialization" moderated by an adult whose IQ is not lower than the children's
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2007-12-13 07:41||   2007-12-13 07:41|| Front Page Top

#5 So much for Dawkin's and Pullman's arguments for the inherent benevolence of atheism and anti-Christianity.

This remark would make some iota of sense if the shooter had been raised as an atheist.
Posted by Excalibur 2007-12-13 09:33||   2007-12-13 09:33|| Front Page Top

#6 Everyone I've ever met that was home schooled was quite odd.

Everyone I've ever met that was home schooled was reasonably normal, as were their parents. Big Jim, I suspect neither of us has met enough to constitute a statistically valid sample, but I suspect "odd" and "home schooled" are independent variables.
Posted by Mike 2007-12-13 10:21||   2007-12-13 10:21|| Front Page Top

#7 #4: if all your experiences of home schoolers is odd, then you've had rather limited experience.

Most home schoolers participate in 4H and scouts and play with neighborhood kids. They get social interaction without having been stuffed into an artificial environment for 45 hours a week.

I have seen a few isolationist families, but they are the exception not the rule.

I home schooled my daughters for part of their education. We participated in an arts cooperative, took group field trips with other families, and did lessons together with a home schooling neighbor.

The state of Wisconsin allows private schooled students, including home schooled students, to attend up to two classes at the public high school per year, for things like AP courses and music.

Unfortunately, I've heard some horror stories from other states; lots of red tape and a lot of unnecessary testing, and in one state (Arkansas, I think) absolute refusal to permit a child with special needs to participate in home school. Such a policy would have been disastrous for our youngest daughter, who has Asperger's Syndrome. Her third grade teacher actually said that our daughter would be better off in home school because she couldn't take the noise of a regular classroom. Our daughter was able to recieve hours of autism therapy in a home school setting (before the state of Wisconsin completely gutted their autism therapy program for children). She reentered the public schools as a 9th grader.
Posted by mom">mom  2007-12-13 10:23|| http://idontknowbut.blogspot.com]">[http://idontknowbut.blogspot.com]  2007-12-13 10:23|| Front Page Top

#8 correction: My long comment should have been addressed to commentator #2
Posted by mom">mom  2007-12-13 10:23|| http://idontknowbut.blogspot.com]">[http://idontknowbut.blogspot.com]  2007-12-13 10:23|| Front Page Top

#9 After Murray rejected religion, he became fixated on people and groups that explore the dark side of spirituality, obsessing over the satanic lyrics of Swedish metal bands, for instance.

Murray attended events held by the Denver-based occult group Ad Astra Oasis during the last two years, but was turned down when he sought to become a member of the group. His involvement with them apparently ended in October.


But we can be sure that home-schooling will be blamed rather than his association with the dark side.

Just another Cain and Abel story - like billions of others that have played out since time began.
Posted by Whomong Guelph4611 2007-12-13 11:36||   2007-12-13 11:36|| Front Page Top

#10 wow - reading the comments after I posted the above, I see that I was right. bigjim-ky exactly how many people have you ment who have been homeschooled? Really. How about a head count. How were they strange?
Posted by Whomong Guelph4611 2007-12-13 11:39||   2007-12-13 11:39|| Front Page Top

#11 I am currently home schooling my younger son (third grade) after a disastrous escapade with public schools. Where we were told (informally of course) by the district that since he was gifted I would be better off teaching him myself because they would not put him in a gifted program because of 'disproportional representation' in the current program. All spots were pretty much reserved for people with the correct last names (old money) or correct genetics.

Our older son was homeschooled for 3 years then we sent him back in for high school where the district has class choices that would allow him to take an accelerated curriculum and AP classes that would transfer as college credit.
Posted by Abu do you love 2007-12-13 12:56||   2007-12-13 12:56|| Front Page Top

#12 Murray attended events held by the Denver-based occult group Ad Astra Oasis during the last two years, but was turned down when he sought to become a member of the group. His involvement with them apparently ended in October.

But we can be sure that home-schooling will be blamed rather than his association with the dark side.

Ad Astra Oasis is a part of O.T.O.--somewhat pretentious pre-New Age Crowleyist occult group. Not what I would call "dark side", rather a collection of somewhat confused individuals. Apparently, even they recognized him for a nut he was.
Posted by twobyfour 2007-12-13 14:20||   2007-12-13 14:20|| Front Page Top

#13 This remark would make some iota of sense if the shooter had been raised as an atheist.

He may not have been raised to be anti-Christian Excaliber, but he certainly was one when he conceived, planned, and did this stuff.

My point was, antireligionists are no more likely to be benevolent than folks with religious beliefs, despite all of the pop-psych philosophers out there right now saying that that is the case.
Posted by no mo uro 2007-12-13 15:34||   2007-12-13 15:34|| Front Page Top

#14 Everyone I've ever met that was quite odd was schooled in public or private schools.
Posted by Whomong Guelph4611 2007-12-13 16:27||   2007-12-13 16:27|| Front Page Top

#15 For gifted students who are are not strongly attuned to what's going on around them, a school without a proper gifted program is actually destructive. Both of the trailing daughters tested as gifted, but one drifts off into her own thoughts if not strongly engaged, while the other keeps track of the class and the teacher. Both thrived in the excellent gifted program the school had through junior high, but my artistic philosopher struggled in classes that go slower than she does.
Posted by trailing wife">trailing wife  2007-12-13 21:55||   2007-12-13 21:55|| Front Page Top

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