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2007-11-29 Syria-Lebanon-Iran

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Posted by Seafarious 2007-11-29 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11141 views ] Top

#1 And here it is:

Posted by Spike Uniter 2007-11-29 01:43|| 2007-11-29 01:43|| Front Page Top

#2 All you infidels are belong to us.

Posted by The Twelfth Imam 2007-11-29 02:06|| 2007-11-29 02:06|| Front Page Top

#3 Based on contempor Net reports, Iran will more than likely match Israel's move towards missle-carrying subs. Iran's IRBMS in its western areas are susceptible to strikes from Afghanistan, Israel, and even Russia - as argued years ago, Iran > deploy any LR Missles in fixed silos + undersea subs in one or both of the Persian GUlf + Caspian Seas.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2007-11-29 03:09|| 2007-11-29 03:09|| Front Page Top

#4 Firing a ballistic missile from a sub is not a trivial task. Look how long India has been working on the ATV. Look at the latest product of decades of Chinese sub R+D. And both these countries are far more technologically and industrially advanced than Iran.

For its subs Iran will be limited to cruise missiles for perhaps two decades.

And that assumes it can get Russia to (a) modify their Kilos for VLS launch of the Klub or other cruise missiles and (b) sell them the land attack version of the Klub

Posted by john frum 2007-11-29 06:11|| 2007-11-29 06:11|| Front Page Top

#5 john - perhaps you missed the announcement that The Mighty Mad Mullah Mighty Military Machine is second to none?

Actually, after all the bluster earlier this year, I'm surprised this new sub can't do 75 knots while remaining completely invisible to infidels.

Posted by Bobby 2007-11-29 07:07|| 2007-11-29 07:07|| Front Page Top

#6 If they got one or two from China it would not be a Good Thing, however.

Posted by lotp 2007-11-29 07:54|| 2007-11-29 07:54|| Front Page Top

#7 "Were we supposed to fill it with baking powder or baking soda?"

Posted by eLarson 2007-11-29 08:21|| http://larsonian.blogspot.com]">[http://larsonian.blogspot.com] 2007-11-29 08:21|| Front Page Top

#8 Bet we could still sink it.

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2007-11-29 10:27|| 2007-11-29 10:27|| Front Page Top

#9 Some decent background on Iranian submarines here and on Iran's underwater warfare capabilities here.

If the intel's correct, it's an updated/reengineered version of an existing Iranian sub; a version copied from an Italian-designed Pakistan sub.

Posted by Pappy 2007-11-29 12:16|| 2007-11-29 12:16|| Front Page Top

#10 Pappy,
Great articles! Bottom line, these are all mini-subs.

Al

Posted by Frozen Al 2007-11-29 13:08|| 2007-11-29 13:08|| Front Page Top

#11 Bottom line, these are all mini-subs

Suicide subs.

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2007-11-29 14:53|| 2007-11-29 14:53|| Front Page Top

#12

Posted by DMFD 2007-11-29 18:29|| 2007-11-29 18:29|| Front Page Top

#13 Italian-designed Pakistan sub

Why does that particular bit of lineage fail to inspire much confidence?

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-11-29 18:49|| 2007-11-29 18:49|| Front Page Top

#14 TOPIX > USN CRUISER SPOTS TWO IRANIAN SUBS IN PERSIAN GULF [KILO-class on surface]; + IRAN LAUNCHES SECOND SONAR-EVADING SUBMARINE.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2007-11-29 20:49|| 2007-11-29 20:49|| Front Page Top

#15 RIAN > IRAN RECEIVES NEW STEALTH-CAPABLE SUBMARINE[Ghadir]. Naval Cdr. claims Iranian Navy has enuff missles to PROTECT IRAN'S SOUTHERN FLANK IN GULG. See RB article on QATAR??? ALso from RIAN > RUSSIA TEST-FIRES TWO BALLISTIC MISSLES SS-21 SCARABS SRBM/TBMS, these to be replaced by new and improved, MULTI-WARHEAD ISKANDERS; + RUSSIA TO CONDUCT STRATEGIC MILITARY EXERCISES IN 2008.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2007-11-29 21:47|| 2007-11-29 21:47|| Front Page Top

#16 Suicide subs.

Possibly. I suspect they'll operate using oil platforms for support facilties. Shoot-and-scoot. If they're quiet, they might be just as much a nuisance as the mines were during the Tanker War.

Posted by Pappy 2007-11-29 22:46|| 2007-11-29 22:46|| Front Page Top

#17 Diesel boats can be VERY quiet. However, they still show up on active sonar. One of the reasons that surface ships don't like to use active sonar is that it gives their position away. However, if the surface ships can't find the subs any other way, active sonar works very well. We also have several other ways of detecting submarines, including sonobuoys dropped from aircraft.

Posted by Rambler">Rambler 2007-11-29 23:18|| 2007-11-29 23:18|| Front Page Top

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