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Posted by ColoradoConservative 2003-07-29 12:33:56 PM|| || Front Page|| [11135 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 politically i dont think it matters that much. The economy is likely on the rebound next year, and history would indicate that incumbent presidents dont get beaten unless the economy is going downhill, especially during wartime. In some sense its almost better for the Dems long term prospects if Dean gets the nod - a landslide defeat for him would put the left away for a long time (while at the same time a dean nomination might do in the greens) though i can understand the concerns of Dem congressmen about coattails.

But I think it is good that Joe is laying this out as a policy position for him and others to build on the future.

Posted by liberalhawk 2003-7-29 12:45:57 PM|| 2003-7-29 12:45:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 Joe will only have a future if he can face down Hitlery. If she gets the nod in 2008, be prepared for the nastiest political season on record, to include at least some violence. The Clinton plan is to do everything they can to destroy this nation, so they can turn over the pieces to the UN.

Posted by Old Patriot 2003-7-29 1:22:24 PM|| [http://users.codenet.net/mweather/default.htm] 2003-7-29 1:22:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 "...16 misleading words in George Bushâs speech."

I have a moderate amount of respect for Lieberman, tempered by his flip-flop behavior as Gore's Vice Presidential candidate (at least he realizes we are in a war for the survival of our civilization, unlike the rest of his party), but I'd have a lot more respect for him if he didn't use the Dim-o-rats' "how can we screw over George Bush this week?" playbook.

The so-called "16 words" said that the British government had recently learned that Saddam was seeking uranium in Africa (not Niger, just Africa); the British government stands by that statement. SO WHAT IS MISLEADING ABOUT THE STATEMENT?

The misleading here is being done by the Dems - and they think we're so stupid nobody notices.

pfui.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2003-7-29 1:36:08 PM|| 2003-7-29 1:36:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Old Patriot: with the former Rapist-in-Chief as Secretary-General, of course...

Posted by someone 2003-7-29 1:51:09 PM|| 2003-7-29 1:51:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Joe has the distinct advantage of being the only Democratic contender not to have shot both of his own feet off in public. But can he carry the moonbat wing of the party, and does it matter if he can't?

Posted by Matt 2003-7-29 2:09:32 PM|| 2003-7-29 2:09:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 I doubt that he has any chance at all, but the irony is lovely. Can't you just see the Arab goverments crapping in their pants at the thought of a Jewish President of the USA? All of their worst nightmares brought to life. They already believe Jews secretly rule the world from the shadows.. now a Jew takes a public seat of power? They'll freak!

Pity it will never likely happen.. I'd love to see the reaction of the Arab world. Or of the anti-Semites here in the USA. Hehehe...

Posted by Ed Becerra 2003-7-29 2:33:38 PM|| 2003-7-29 2:33:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Matt: Well, true, he's only shot one foot off. But it's a doozy.

Posted by someone 2003-7-29 2:52:17 PM|| 2003-7-29 2:52:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Good catch. I stand corrected.

Posted by Matt 2003-7-29 3:21:57 PM|| 2003-7-29 3:21:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Someone:

The only way I can possibly explain that one is that Joe got hold of some bad Manischewitz the night before. That utterance was an anomaly.

Posted by ColoradoConservative 2003-7-29 3:36:09 PM|| 2003-7-29 3:36:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 "The Clinton plan is to do everything they can to destroy this nation, so they can turn over the pieces to the UN. "

i would feel a whole lot better if the one of the many sane conservatives here would respond to this, as i have responded to so many lefties.

Posted by liberalhawk 2003-7-29 3:36:57 PM|| 2003-7-29 3:36:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 "Hitlery"

You just forfeited your entire moral foundation for addressing the Bush = Hitler morons. Congratulations.

Posted by Joe 2003-7-29 3:44:03 PM|| 2003-7-29 3:44:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 CC - oh cmon, even lots of conservatives are saying that Dubya and company are dropping the ball on this - not necessarily in the SOTU, but in who theyre handling it now (we were right - no wait a minute, we were wrong, but its tenets fault - no wait we were wrong but its some NSC staffers fault, no wait a minute we right) . which IS distracting from a JUST war.

BTW - to Barbara - they said "the brits learned" which implied that the pres believed the brits were right. (if i say that North Korea has LEARNED the US is planning to attack them, it kinda implies I believe it too) Now Im quite sure that Dubya (or at least Rice) DID beleive the brits were right, and thought the CIA was wrong to doubt the Brits given the CIA's point of view on Iraq - but they cant exactly say in public that they trusted the Brits more than they trusted Langley, now can they? It would let the whole divided administration thing out of the bag, wouldnt it. And to the extent that this has brought the war into disrepute, its fair that the Admin take the blame, and NOT the JUST CASE for this war. Right now Joe is the ONLY pol i know of making this point, and its a point that needs to be made.

Posted by liberalhawk 2003-7-29 3:44:49 PM|| 2003-7-29 3:44:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 "I'd love to see the reaction of the Arab world. Or of the anti-Semites here in the USA. Hehehe..."

well id rather not see it, which is one reason id be a little reluctant to vote for Joe, despite thinking him most qualified. Am i failing in my loyalty if i put my fear of anti-semitism above my country's need for the best possible leader? Im really not sure, help me here.

Posted by liberalhawk 2003-7-29 3:48:02 PM|| 2003-7-29 3:48:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 on the mfume thing- he said thats a friendly little joke, he makes it about the heads of lots organizations he makes speeches in front of - guess in those other cases it was so implausible it was obviously a joke, in this case it was just plausible enough that SOME people could take it seriously.

Posted by liberalhawk 2003-7-29 3:53:20 PM|| 2003-7-29 3:53:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Libhawk:

Hillary herself said it in Germany a few weeks ago. Printed in Der Spiegel (about as reliable as the NYT, but still capable of printing the truth once in awhile).

U.S. Senator Hillary Clinton (D NY) has attacked U.S. President George W. Bush, and questioned U.S. intelligence effectiveness in an interview published in the online version of the German newsmagazine Der Spiegel.
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Praising her husband's close relationship with European leaders during his period in office, Clinton declared that "for eight years we were on the right course to a globalized and integrated world - which is coming, one way or the other."

Seems like this backs up exactly what I said.

Posted by Old Patriot 2003-7-29 3:56:29 PM|| [http://users.codenet.net/mweather/default.htm] 2003-7-29 3:56:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 well we are on the course to a globalized and integrated world, and Bush also supports that. And the euro leader her hubhy was closest too was the same one Bush is closest too, Tony Blair. IS she also implicitly attacking Bush for not being closer to Schroeder and Chirac -well yeah she is. Is that attack unreasonable, given the avowed aims of Chirac and Schroeder - well yeah it is unreasonable - ergo her attack is unfair - minus one for Hillary on foreign policy in my book. But does that make her "hitlery"? Wanting to destroy this nation? I mean that kind of logic on the left is rightly called idiotarianism.

Posted by liberalhawk 2003-7-29 4:34:19 PM|| 2003-7-29 4:34:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 I for one, would love to see one of them there kikes in the WhiteHouse. It would bring a good old fashioned, big friggin smile to the face of this American. (even if I am predominately of German descent)

Posted by Mike N. 2003-7-29 4:40:09 PM|| 2003-7-29 4:40:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Am I a bad person to get pleasure from the Dems feeding on each other? Screw I like it anyway!

Posted by Cyber Sarge 2003-7-29 6:33:06 PM|| 2003-7-29 6:33:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 From today's New York Times national edition:

"When a reporter asked a panel of [Democratic Leadership C]ouncil leaders whether Democratic woes were the result of Republican attacks or Democratic mistakes, [Indiana] Senator [Evan] Bayh responded with a two-word answer that silenced the room.
'Assisted suicide,' he said." - Centrist Democrats Warn Party Not to Present Itself as 'Far Left'

Posted by Old Grouch 2003-7-29 7:57:33 PM|| 2003-7-29 7:57:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 CS? political schadenfreude is not a vice -IMHO it's a virtue heh heh

Posted by Frank G 2003-7-29 8:39:16 PM|| 2003-7-29 8:39:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Well even I have to admire the right wing Republicans always marching in lock step--or was that Goose Step? The Democrats can only pray to have such a united front--and they never will!

Posted by Not Mike Moore 2003-7-29 8:51:01 PM|| 2003-7-29 8:51:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 I'm rather afraid that if elected President Lieberman would be pressured to throw Israel to the (muslim) wolves in an attempt to show he wasn't biased on Israel's side.

Posted by Laurence of the Rats 2003-7-29 10:18:05 PM|| 2003-7-29 10:18:05 PM|| Front Page Top

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