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2020-10-25 Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Israel sees further drop in number of new, serious virus cases
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Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-25 02:37|| || Front Page|| [11132 views ]  Top

#1 Interesting how a bug, less lethal than an average seasonal flu, can actually become even less lethal over time. Hmmm.
Posted by Dopey Thaiter8666 2020-10-25 08:01||   2020-10-25 08:01|| Front Page Top

#2 Yea, except the drop is traced to enforcing masking/distancing regulations - not viral evolution.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-25 08:28||   2020-10-25 08:28|| Front Page Top

#3 Same thing is happening in parts of the US where the number of infections keep going up but the lethality of the disease keeps going down.

The cause of this phenomenon is unknown. Viral evolution has been proposed as has been the theory that dose response is a factor, that is, if you get only a small hit of the virus because the carrier was distanced, your own immune system has a better chance. Also proposed is more people taking D vitamins. Other theories as well.

When this disease began I followed reports thinking I could understand what was going on.

My bad.
Posted by Lord Garth 2020-10-25 09:10||   2020-10-25 09:10|| Front Page Top

#4 /\ Twitter, Farcebook, MSM tell you all you need to know. /sarc
Posted by Clem 2020-10-25 09:17||   2020-10-25 09:17|| Front Page Top

#5 #3 Have you given any thought to accumulation of medical experience - both by individual docs/nurses and the new treatments?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-25 09:47||   2020-10-25 09:47|| Front Page Top

#6 Jay Bhattacharya and John Ioannidis from Stanford.
Sunetra Gupta at Oxford.
Martin Kulldorff of Harvard Medical School.

Three respected learning institutions, but to the MSM, it means nothing.
Posted by Clem 2020-10-25 09:55||   2020-10-25 09:55|| Front Page Top

#7 ^Less respected today than they were before the covid.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-25 10:01||   2020-10-25 10:01|| Front Page Top

#8 Like Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine...borderline political rags.

I see a correlation with the global warming/climate change lunacy. Establishment: "Our science" is the "real science"...anything else is hogwash and will be debunked because we say so. [And if you do not toe our line, your funding will be cut.]
Posted by Clem 2020-10-25 10:10||   2020-10-25 10:10|| Front Page Top

#9 ^Exactly Clem, except to me, dogmatic insistence that covid isn't real = AGW.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-25 10:49||   2020-10-25 10:49|| Front Page Top

#10 Keep beating that strawman dead horse. I don't think anyone here has said it's not real, myself included. We just dispute the damage it does versus your lockdown panic
Posted by Frank G 2020-10-25 11:19||   2020-10-25 11:19|| Front Page Top

#11 I feel for you Frank, must be horrible to be you.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-25 11:21||   2020-10-25 11:21|| Front Page Top

#12 Actually, it's pretty awesome. I have my opinion and I don't try to browbeat others into agreeing, unlike others
Posted by Frank G 2020-10-25 11:35||   2020-10-25 11:35|| Front Page Top

#13 Psychological (Freudian) projection is a defense mechanism in which the ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves by attributing them to others.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-25 11:59||   2020-10-25 11:59|| Front Page Top

#14 Heh.
Posted by Frank G 2020-10-25 12:01||   2020-10-25 12:01|| Front Page Top

#15 After all those Sturgis bikers died and everyone got scared to travel and interact without masks, I could have picked up a new Harley Davidson from Oklahoma for $200 but I wanted to be safe, since Oklahoma isn't lock-down safe, but I found a highly customized one out of Chicago for about the same price and since that is a protest city, I know the bike is totally sterilized and safe.

So that the virus is not as deadly now is great news.
Posted by swksvolFF 2020-10-25 12:46||   2020-10-25 12:46|| Front Page Top

#16 Whether you lockdown or not the bug becomes less deadly...

Lockdown cultists will claim credit for any improvement and say we need to lockdown EVEN MOAR if they can.

Lockdowns do not work.

Only Herd Immunity will work, like it has Every other time in the past.
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2020-10-25 14:03||   2020-10-25 14:03|| Front Page Top

#17 Whether you lockdown or not the bug becomes less deadly...

So herd immunity is out, "virus evolves to be less violent" is the new party line?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-25 14:28||   2020-10-25 14:28|| Front Page Top

#18 well, "we need to lockdown and mask up and stay quarantined and destroy our economy and lifestyle" is your party line?
Posted by Frank G 2020-10-25 15:30||   2020-10-25 15:30|| Front Page Top

#19 #18 Frank, I worry about you - I used to think these comments of yours are "straw men arguments" that you set up to gain debating points. But no, you really believe that you're saying. Most distressing.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-25 16:27||   2020-10-25 16:27|| Front Page Top

#20 Don't worry about me. I'm American, commenting on local American situations and politics with which I'm intimately familiar, ...because..you know...I live here. Your obsession on controlling the behavior of another nation, however, is...well, obsessive. Have a good day
Posted by Frank G 2020-10-25 16:44||   2020-10-25 16:44|| Front Page Top

#21 ^Can I call them, or what?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-25 16:50||   2020-10-25 16:50|| Front Page Top

#22 I would no more comment on internal Israeli politics, pretending to be an expert by reading JPost, Haaretz, etc. than I would tell you how to do your Covid precautions in such a small mixed nation. I'm not an expert. You should learn the same humility
Posted by Frank G 2020-10-25 16:51||   2020-10-25 16:51|| Front Page Top

#23 I'm commenting on coronavirus - a subject that I believe has nothing to do with politics - except to people like you.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-25 16:52||   2020-10-25 16:52|| Front Page Top

#24 I dream I could see Grom's boot on the neck: "It's for your own good. You wore the wrong mask"
Posted by Frank G 2020-10-25 16:58||   2020-10-25 16:58|| Front Page Top

#25 Here we go again, Frank KNOWS that other people think.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-25 17:04||   2020-10-25 17:04|| Front Page Top

#26  I would no more comment on internal Israeli politics,

I comment on anything that catches my attention. On that note, congratulations on the further drop in your part of the world, g(r)omgoru. Many other problems will be solved when people have to go back to normal life if they want to eat.

Gentlemen, I think it’s time to back away for today.
Posted by trailing wife 2020-10-25 17:25||   2020-10-25 17:25|| Front Page Top

#27 I'm commenting on coronavirus - a subject that I believe has nothing to do with politics - except to people like you.

Except that how to handle the covid is literally the first 15 minutes of each candidates debate, and in their stump speeches, and locally the topic of each Senatorial candidates advertisements.

How to get people to mobilize for any given subject is called Politics.
Posted by swksvolFF 2020-10-25 19:31||   2020-10-25 19:31|| Front Page Top

#28 Viral evolution is the truth g(r)omgoru

(whatever that name means, is the (r) for resentful? repugnant? rigid? reprehensible? or perhaps more simply "ridiculous").

Here is the science you seem unable to grasp:

Mutations are especially prevalent in single strand RNA based viruses, like SARS-CoV-2. In things like this, evolution favors a virus that can spread more easily and survives to spread longer - basically they become more contagious and less deadly as time goes on and mutations occur that are naturally selected for by survival of the host.

Its called Mueller's Ratchet. Multiple strains of SARS-VoC2 (mutations) showed up months ago in the US. It appears the dominant ones showed up in the big burst in Houston back in May-June, and happened to be more contagious and less deadly, as predicted by the above.

“A summary of the data thus far suggests that this strain has gained a fitness advantage over the original and is more transmissible as a result,” said Joseph Petrosino, Baylor College of Medicine chair of molecular virology and microbiology. “It is safe to say this version is more infectious.” He said Baylor is finding the mutated strain in as many as 80 percent of viruses it analyzes.

“There were clearly mutations in the virus, some of which need to be followed very carefully in future,” said Musser. “Some mutations may well represent beginnings of new virus families that could cause differences in severity or an ability to elude the immune system.”

Here's some science for you, you poor deluded fool, to demonstrate that it IS mutation that's driving the infections:

A SARS-CoV-2 variant with Spike G614 has replaced D614 as the dominant pandemic form. The consistent increase of G614 at regional levels may indicate a fitness advantage. The shift occurred even in local epidemics where the original D614 form was well established prior to introduction of the G614 variant. In infected individuals, G614 is associated with lower RT-PCR cycle thresholds, suggestive of higher upper respiratory tract viral loads, but not with increased disease severity.

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)30820-5


Care to apologize for your spreading of disinformation and lies?


Posted by Theager Borgia1057 2020-10-25 21:04||   2020-10-25 21:04|| Front Page Top

#29 Theager Borgia1057 (TB? LOL):

Thanks for the academic link. I may find that useful. Rantburg-U lives on!

BTW, re: that name:

Just so ya know, rougarou (or roo-garoo) is a Acadian (Cajun) name for a human body wolf-head creature that haunts the swamps at night in Acadia and New Orleans and the parishes around those parts. So maybe he thinks he is a werewolf? Seen them as costumes during the Mardis Gras decades ago, so Im not so sure if they are even told of much anymore. I'm old.

Per Wikipedia "garou" is "餓狼" in Japanese, and is the name of the antagonist in One Punch Man anime comic book; his mission is to seek out and beat up all heroes. Maybe thats it?

So who really knows?

But as far as I can tell, the initial "g" in g(r)omgarou is the important letter. Its "g" for gullible. Don't bother him with science, he's on a religious crusade of some sort with this stuff.

Happy Halloween y'all.

Oh, and from this former Anti-Trumper: Vote Trump. Yeah I was wrong, and owned up to it a long time ago. I made the error of paying too much attention to his loudmouthed nature. His deeds are pretty impressive in retrospect, especially in context of all the obstacles thrown at him and an internal coup attempt, as well as a pandemic. Deeds not words. Judge Biden the same way and he comes up lacking massively.
Posted by OldSpook 2020-10-25 21:29||   2020-10-25 21:29|| Front Page Top

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