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2010-09-12 Home Front: Politix

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Posted by miscellaneous 2010-09-12 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11128 views ] Top

#1 Emotional but low content opinion.

On the other hand I'm not sure what I would say. It really wasn't 9-11 that taught me, it was all the information I found trying to understand things. For a while I thought that Al Q was a fringe and would be denounced by the Islamic world. But that didn't happen and still hasn't happened. Instead, the Islamic world is full of insane and contradictory conspiracy theories, double talking and triple talking apologists, anti US rage, anti Western anger, antisemitism, homophobia, honor killings, forced marriages, wife beatings, female genital mutilation, oppression of non muslims and minority sect muslims, etc. And much of the left are full of people working 24-7 to make excuses for those things.

On the good side, many Rantburgerians and others have spent time information gathering and many people now have an inkling of what sharia is and what jihad is and of the fact that huge numbers of muslims, while not terrorists, support them and pray for their success.

Posted by lord garth 2010-09-12 01:42|| 2010-09-12 01:42|| Front Page Top

#2 Pompous chest-beating about being a brave defender of freedoms, as if that's what this war is about.

Clue: they're not trying to goad us into curtailing freedom so that they can appear on the Jon Stewart show and say "Aha! Made youse guys act like hypocrites! We win, suckers!"

They are trying to kill us. Kill our soldiers, kill our civilians, kill our diplomats, kill our businessmen, kill ordinary people like you and me, kill the very best of this nation, like Rick Rescorla. They don't want to debate us. They want to enslave us if possible and kill us where they can't enslave us.

We can debate tactics all night, but the essential point is that this is a long war. Like all wars, it will end only when the other side is either thoroughly trounced (WWII model) or else harried and driven to exhaustion (Cold War model) -- or else, as per the Vietnam model, we give up.

Pretending that we are not at war, engaged in a long twilight struggle, will only increase the likelihood of a Vietnam War-style outcome. Again, we can differ on tactics-- maybe a reculer pour mieux sauter timeout on Afghanistan is a good idea, maybe not, YMMV-- but let's focus on winning the war, period. If we don't nothing else will matter.

Posted by lex 2010-09-12 02:20|| 2010-09-12 02:20|| Front Page Top

#3 ..-- or else, as per the Vietnam model, we give up.

Or else understand that we're just 'Closing the West' again in the long march from the eastern coast with perilous start in the colonies to its conclusion two hundred years latter in the Montana and New Mexico Territories. Since being dragged from our enclave on December 7th 1941, we have a new West to close confronting a new tribe with each generation and one more place to render less a threat to our 'normal' lives. It evolves in spurts and sprints with lags and calms. We win some, we lose some, but the nature of security means its never ending, till the New West is also closed. It wasn't planned this way. It's simply the nature of the creature which has successfully evolved in a chaotic environment it was born in to.

Posted by Procopius2k 2010-09-12 08:58|| 2010-09-12 08:58|| Front Page Top

#4 we have a new West to close

I've heard people compare the war against global jihad to the Indian wars, but settling a territory altogether seems a stretch, don't you think, when that territory encompasses most of the eastern hemisphere?

We are running out of money. Phase II of this war will have to be fought more frugally, ie more intelligently and above all, more ruthlessly. More special ops, more drones, more wet works.

But let's not hark back to the 19th century. Our resources are limited, and shrinking.

Posted by lex 2010-09-12 10:29|| 2010-09-12 10:29|| Front Page Top

#5 You think our resources and those particularly in closing the West in the 19th Century was unlimited? The Donks in Congress left the Army unfunded for nearly a whole year, until the Apache out of Mexico convinced the Texas delegation that maybe them bluecoats served a function. One of the reasons for spurts and lags was parsimonious Washington.

You don't have to conquer and occupy. You just have to make it accommodating for the sod buster to have a chance to get along with his life. He'll take it from there. Or do just enough of a taking down, that others in the environment will take the opportunity for payback and in doing so, finish the problem off for you.

Posted by Procopius2k 2010-09-12 10:40|| 2010-09-12 10:40|| Front Page Top

#6 Note well that one of our 'armies' is our culture. Why to you think the 7th Century tribes hate America? Maybe because it appeals to youth that see the bankruptcy of their environment. They hate the music, the video, the clothes because it does undermine their power to impose their will upon others. They fear it because they have seen it permeate in other cultures and it does have an effect. It is powerful. In a sense, those youths are just another sod buster.

Posted by Procopius2k 2010-09-12 10:46|| 2010-09-12 10:46|| Front Page Top

#7 Blind 'em with Science. Hit 'em with Lady Gaga.

Posted by lex 2010-09-12 11:01|| 2010-09-12 11:01|| Front Page Top

#8 But I chafe at the idea that great American debates, in all their ugliness and splendor, should be tempered for terrorists and their attempts to recruit.

Most Americans would have been in favor of kicking these barbarians further back into the stone age. if for them the war would have been done with long ago. It is only a wussy MSM and a bunch of candyassed politicians who are quaking in their boots, wringing their hands, and pi$$ing in their pants in fear. Harry Reid who two years ago said we have lost. Billary questioned whether Petraeus was lying to congress. A depictable bunch--more so when one contemplates the anniversary of 9/11. Obama who never supported the war as a congressman. There are others.

Posted by JohnQC 2010-09-12 11:01|| 2010-09-12 11:01|| Front Page Top

#9 Lex, I do agree this is a long war, but I believe we, the West, have been at war with Islam since before the Crusades. The Crusades are a product of their war on western ideal. I also believe we can not win it like WWII. Until Islam is wiped from the face of the earth we, Western beliefs, will be in armed conflict with the soldiers of Islam. We have to view this like a disease, Small Pox for example. We will never rid the planet of it but we can beat it back for a few hundred years and keep it isolated.

Posted by 49 pan 2010-09-12 12:48|| 2010-09-12 12:48|| Front Page Top

#10 The original Sept. 11:
On September 11-12, 1683, the jihad broke and ran from the Gates of Vienna, leaving 20,000 dead, and all their cannon behind.

The consequences for Europe and the rest of the world were incalculable. All one need do is consider that the countries once ruled by the Turks remain to this day the poorest and most backward in Europe.

After September 11, 1683 no mujahiddeen attacked Western land until 2001.

On September 11, just to make their point.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2010-09-12 13:37|| 2010-09-12 13:37|| Front Page Top

#11 Islam has for the last few centuries been relegated to poorer sandy places and virtual irrelevance against the West....until we caved and let them control petrodollars. All of this has stemmed from the foolish point economic and immegration policies that followed WWII.
Thje solution to rendering Islam a backwater again, at least relatively, is the lack of petrodollars. Name a major muslim power that survives absent petrodollars or our aid? Isolate the Paki nuke threat, stop immigration into the West and what are the rest of them? Mostly jerks in the sand fuming.

Posted by NoMoreBS 2010-09-12 14:05|| 2010-09-12 14:05|| Front Page Top

#12 In less than 100 words NoMoreBS has stated the blindingly obvious strategic reality that few in Washington truly realize or rather accept. Unfortunately, those who do accept it, are heavily invested in it for their own personal gain, with little regard to the consequences for the West. I give you Mike Bloomberg as a recent example.

Posted by Besoeker 2010-09-12 14:12|| 2010-09-12 14:12|| Front Page Top

#13 BINGO. What Besoeker and NoMoreBS said. We've got to get rid of some of our economic stiffling regulations/policies and push energy independence. Let our enemies live in the 7th century.

Posted by JohnQC 2010-09-12 20:13|| 2010-09-12 20:13|| Front Page Top

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