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The type of relationship between the entered term and its synonyms and antonyms is shown, as well. You have to dig into the site and read all the features to find it, but this is pretty cool. I'm just a visual creature, I guess, heh.
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.com: You need to check out Inxight Software. It's a Xerox PARC spinoff that has done some amazing visualization tools. The Visual Thesaurus stuff looks like a rip off of the hyperbolic tree.
Under the support of Princess Sarah Al-Anqari, wife of Makkah Governor Prince Abdul Majeed, the first program of the National Awareness Campaign focuses on eradicating illiteracy and will be launched next Saturday. Addressing a press conference at Effat College yesterday, one of the main participants in the program explained the goal and details of the program. "The campaign aims at eradicating alphabetic and cultural illiteracy among women because the mother is the maker of generations and through her, all of society benefits," said Abdullah Al-Mohammadi, assistant director of Girls' Education in the Makkah region.
Alphabetic illiteracy refers to the inability to read and write while cultural illiteracy deals with civilized and responsible behavior. Jeddah will be first in the Kingdom to launch the campaign under the slogan, "My country, I love you." The first phase consists of six seminars and workshops that will end on Sept. 23. The program has been approved by the Ministry of Education based on its 2003 agreement with the United Nations. The program runs for ten years — with a slogan "Illiteracy eradication is everyone's responsibility."
Najwa Battiekh, director of Adult Education and Illiteracy Unit, said, "This is a continuation of the Kingdom's successful efforts at eradicating illiteracy which has culminated in its being the first Arab country to receive an award from UNICEF because of reducing illiteracy to 22 percent in two years, down from a high of 60 percent." The unit's programs also include teaching computer courses and English.
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My first reaction was Great! It can't but help! Then I realized what they will be reading: Jews are to blame for everything, America is the great Satan, no open practice of Christianity will be allowed, Islam is the only real religion...
We now return to our regularly scheduled programming.
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But Jules, they hear it at the mosque, its omnipresent on the television with the addition of The Palestine Show and Who's for Jihad!, so what difference will it make? Perhaps a few will get on the web and discover Rantburg, et al.
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I hope so, TW. Wouldn't that be something? I try to imagine a day when the women in that part of the world wake up and get really PI*SED off. It's quite a picture-a woman stripping off her abbaya at her own PC, writing blog comments in SUPPORT of democracy and freedom. Sigh-I wonder if I'll live long enough to see it.
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Not this generation of women, Jules, probably. Look to their daughters, who'll take literacy for granted, and can't stand to see all their hard work wasted.
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Please, can someone deliver the mercy shot? The man lost his mental faculties a long time ago, provided that there were some to begin with. Such an embarassment...
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I couldn't agree more - he jumped off the loonie cliff somewhere back - and it was apparently fatal. Listening to him speak, and watching the fawning (given and received) at the DNC, was truly disgusting. He's one of the dead mice an America's kitchen floor.
In what has all the hallmarks of a political set-up, Chinese police have arrested Alex Ho, a Democratic Party candidate in the upcoming Legislative Council elections in Hong Kong, on charges of soliciting a prostitute. The 46-year-old Ho was detained in a police raid in the early hours of August 13 in the southern city of Dongguang. He was allegedly found in a hotel room with Zhou, a 25-year-old woman.
"Yup. They wuz nekkid. The both of 'em. So we tossed 'em in the jug."
Ho and Zhou are now facing six months of "reform through labour" detention under a sweeping administrative provision that allows Chinese police to hold minor offenders without trial. The mainland and Hong Kong media immediately reported the "sex scandal" and the lurid details provided by a Chinese police spokesman who claimed Ho, "had sex with a woman in a hotel room and a money transaction was involved".
... which resulted in the entire population of Hong Kong stopping, scratching their heads, and asking as one: "What's unusual about that?"
After speaking to Ho, Democratic Party official Fred Li told the media that Ho had only signed a confession because police threatened to charge him with rape if he refused. "From the way that the mainland security police handled the case, there are a lot of suspicious points.... We are shocked and disturbed by this, especially the speed with which he was jailed without trial," Li said.
Turkey's government wants to make adultery a crime, the justice minister has been quoted as saying -- a proposal that has outraged the main opposition and women's groups. Although the legislation would also apply to men, a previous adultery law abolished six years ago was used mainly against women.
It's the norm in Islamic countries, isn't it? Not in civilized countries, though...
The ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP), which traces its roots to a banned Islamist movement, wants to include the adultery ban in an overhaul of the penal code, promised as part of reforms aimed at meeting European Union criteria.
The Euros have laws against adultery?
The main opposition party has threatened to vote against the entire penal code reform if the clause on adultery is included in the bill and brought to parliament. "We believe that adultery should be a crime, because society also expects this," Justice Minister Cemil Cicek was quoted as saying by newspapers on Monday.
"We don't believe that people should be left alone to screw up their own lives as they see fit. We know much better than them."
Turkey's top court struck down a law penalising adultery in 1998 and said in its ruling that the law had been mainly used against women, leading to gender inequality. Although Muslim Turkey has enshrined equality for women, rights groups say discrimination against women remains endemic. The EU is expected to criticise the lack of equality for women in Turkey in a progress report on the country's candidacy due in October, diplomats have said. The penal code's other reforms aim primarily to expand rights to meet the EU's basic criteria for membership. Turkey is hoping a swathe of recent rights reforms will convince Brussels to set a date to begin accession talks next year.
"Everything else is in order. What's it to you if we stone a few adultresses?"
The other proposed changes include ending reductions in sentences for those convicted of so-called honour killings, longer prison terms for police found guilty of torture and new penalties for those convicted of racism and other forms of discrimination.
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michael moore, master of the absurd. Hey mikey, which one of the Swift Vets do call a lier. Any names? No? None? Afraid of the cost meybe? Any lies about the book you could comment on?, No? None? So thats why you try to punk on Bush? Can't debate the SVets?
Hey Bill Maher, any names you'd like to call out on the SVets? Hey, Chris any names? Hey Susan, any names, any lies? Hey anybody care to name some names?
Funny how you go to name calling and absurd crap. Hey Mikey, I dodged VN too. Waited untill I got out of High School before I joined and then went into a service that allowed most enlisted to hang back at the base rather than doing grunt work. Lucky for me I didn't get called to do anything really dangerous. But guess what, Mikey, if they had I would of been abliged to go, same as the guys I servd with, You got a problem with that?
Hey Mikey how'd you skip service? Hey Mikey tell us how Kerry got his purple hearts. Hey Mikey address the SVets question.
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Not clear to me why Rantburg should care either. MM should be hauled out and charged with impersonating a journalist. Wait! That's not a crime! Lots of people are doing it!
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*Yawn*
In a way, it's got to be in Moore's best interests that Bush wins in November. Keep that Bush hatred a'burnin'! Keep that Mooreganda fresh! A Kerry victory would really cramp Moore's lifestyle.
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The reason that I think you know so much about other men's war wounds is because, during your time you in the Texas Air National Guard, you suffered so many of them yourself. Consider the paper cut you received on September 22, 1972, while stationed in Alabama, working on a Senate campaign for your dad's friend (when you were supposed to be on the Guard base). A campaign brochure appeared from nowhere, ambushing your right index finger, and blood trickled out onto your brand new argyle sweater.
When you get tire of a normal diet, because you have personally caused food shortages in several nations by excessive consumption, who do you go to for new ideas as to culinary preparation?
Of course, the human form of "mad cow disease" can cause you to have attacks of delerium. Jabba the Hut is slowly descending into irrevelanccy.
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The people on the scene sum it up rather succinctly. They're not brainwashed tools - they're men. If there was the tiniest bit of truth to the troll-bait, they'd know it and refuse to serve - en masse. It doesn't happen, to the chagrin of the moron trolls, because it's simply bullshit LLL insanity. Trolls only dream of the credibility these men earn every day.
We were discussing Commies for Kerry: From the CPUSA web site...
Author: Sam Webb, National Chair
It was no surprise to me that virtually everyone I met during a recent three-week trip across the Midwest was quick to remind me that this election is the most important in their lifetime. While agreeing that the overriding political task is to defeat Bush and his counterparts in Congress and elect Kerry and a more people-friendly Congress, no one reduced this to simply a contest between the Democratic and Republican parties.
This election, they told me, will continue the nearly 24-year struggle against the forces of extreme political reaction who are now entrenched in the White House, Congress and Supreme Court - but with this difference: Nov. 2 could well mark a turning point for better or worse.
A Bush victory would give the ultra-right a green light to ramp up their project to drastically and unilaterally reshape the domestic and international landscape in the interests of U.S. imperialism. On the other hand, a victory by Kerry and the broad democratic movement that supports him would be a body blow to the extreme right, bring some relief on bread and butter issues, and lift the siege on our nation's constitution.
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FYI: CPUSA means Communist Party USA (For you liberals out there USA means United States of America....).
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Crazy, I take it you have not heard of Communists For Kerry. Check out the web-site since we are the only real hope John Forbes Kerry has to become president.
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Last night forty to fifty people, according to one of the only demonstrators who escaped, were arbitrarily arrested right outside the Marriott in Times Square where many delegates are staying. Rosaline Johnson watched her son get arrested after the two protesters, along with about forty to forty five others were arbitrarily arrested as they were greeting delegates outside the Time Square Marriott Sunday night. "We were standing on the side walk just watching what's going on and there was a little metal fence [overhang] behind us," said Johnson. And the police came along and said 'everybody get under the fence, get off the street.' So we did." After being told to move to a part of the sidewalk where there was an overhang for construction, the police surrounded the protesters without an order to disperse. "They came along with this big orange fence. As soon as we got under the [overhang], they surrounded us with this orange fence." Five minutes later, the police arrested everyone inside the fence, except Johnson an a few corporate media reporters.
"An' we wudn't doin' nuffin'!"
"My son and his friends are in the paddy wagon. Then they said I could go." When asked if they were blocking the sidewalk by another reporter, Johnson replied we were standing under the metal fence [overhang] like they asked us to do. Less than an hour later, police used the same tactic - surrounding protesters with an orange fence and then arresting them - to arbitrarily arrest two dozen or so more portesters with the same charges of blocking a sidewalk, kiddy-corner from the Marriott. Below is a link to that second series in arrests in Time Square.
Thanks for keeping us up to date, Booger...
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Sounds like sound Police work to me. Remove the idiots before the have a chance to cause trouble. I saw on MSNBC a guy that was arrested because he had spray paint and was just âhanging out.â He was being interviewed by that Ron Jr. and he put up a stink when the carted the potential tagger away. This guy had a LOT of paint cans and wanted to see if free speech is still possible in NY. This guy (and the others) should be locked up for public stupidity if nothing else.
A recently released protester arrested yesterday with the Bike Bloc reports hearing police claim to have confiscated 700 bikes. People who were arrested and are now trying to retrieve their belongings from the police warehouse at 520 Kingsland in Brooklun are being denied their bicycles and other property. If you have had your property seized it may be better to wait to claim it until others meet with some success.
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Too late! The bikes have been melted down and made into lightweight D-9 Catepillar blades which are on the way to Haliburton.
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LOL--It'd be even funnier if the blades still had the bikes' stickers intact! Nothing says love like being run over by a D-9 proclaiming, "Buck Fush!", "Free Mumia!", and "Dykes (on Bikes) Against Bush!"
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If they can confiscate 'vehicles' used in the commission of crime as that of a drug dealer or john, the it would logically follow that these vehicles employed in a crime can also be forfeited.
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Gallery 1 Love the honey carrying the "Communists for Kerry" poster--that's gotta be a Protest Warrior group! Then there's everybody's favorite libs, Michael Moore and Jesse Jackson.
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Communists for Kerry is a Protest Warrior stunt. They have lookalikes of Lenin, Che, et al., and will be doing street theater. Vodkapundit has a link to a Newsweek interview with the PW guys where they discuss Communists for Kerry.
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These people are the half of the gene pool that makes the top half possible.
NEW YORK Aug. 29, 2004 — More than 100,000 demonstrators marched past a heavily fortified Republican convention hall on Sunday, chanting denunciations of the administration and the war in Iraq as delegates flocked to the city to nominate President Bush for four more years in the White House.... MORE
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I think the count was more like 150k but whose counting. Thatâs an awfully small protest by LLL standards. Maybe they can have a bigger one during the week? I think these should be televised in their entirety in order to showcase their stupidity. That speech by Mike Moore was one for the ages! I was hoping for more anarchists and some head knocking by the NYPD.
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snicker, heh, heh. Is it just me, or is that whole MTV, Hollywood, NY, Paris, celebrity culture seeming as stale and ossified as Tammy Fay Baker?
The stars of the leftâs culture, ie: the Tina Browns, are just such iconic jokes. I donât know what Tina Brown looks like, but I have this image of a loud talking, skinny, olâ shrew with a drink in her hand, running around looking for someone important to be her best friend.
The left is full of old, fat, grandmas, and frazzle-haired, pudgy grandpas, who desperately believe that if they can just keep up the rage, they can fight off the age. That, and of course, the highly organized anarchists, slightly unhinged misfits and other assorted losers who find comfort in uniting their voices against people who managed to find the success and self-confidence that passed them by.
NYC â welcome to the human freak show.
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Anybody know why they burned the hotdog or ice cream cart? Must have been PETA.
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It's all part of the Bush poker game. NYC provides the free freak show, the media provides the freaks free advertising, and most Americans look at them and conclude that they have more in common with Bush than the freaks. I expect to see those Bush poll numbers shooting up soon.
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I think Mucky has the inside dope on the hot dog cart. The real question there was were they kosher franks? If so, is that a hate crime?
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They got a whole 500 folks out for a, er, peri-mutuel protest in Chicago. Yep... 500.
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Did anyone happen to turn on C-Span this weekend, when they ran the cameras on the protestors and left out the commentators? Well, guess who was marching with the protestors? Palestinian activists, with a banner reading, Intifada! They were shouting "intifada, yes". I wonder how many people milling around these protestors realized that suicide bombing was being advocated--intifada-the armed uprising of Palestine--all within blocks of Ground Zero. Sickening.
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I watched much of it from right on Broadway, just above where it ended.
There were lots of idiots with Palestinian flags. Some asshat tried to set fire to a Bush/Cheney bumpersticker and use that to set fire to a peace symbol he'd sprayed out on the street with lighter fluid. The sticker wouldn't burn. HA! There were also Mumia posters, more "Bush lied" things than I've ever seen, some upside-down American flags, a contingent of Socialits waving hammer-and-sickle flags.
Oh, and I counted maybe 5 Kerry signs. Heavily outnumbered by Nader signs. Insignigicant compared to all the Bush-hate signs.
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B, dont forget the core group of dedicated communists -er-sorry- progressives who form the core of A.N.S.W.E.R. and other anti-american hate groups.
I wonder why they did not show the intifada folks on the MSM. Only the flag-draped caskets.
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jules - another one I've noticed - "End appeasement to Israel!"
Right, they prefer to appease to Islamists. (Note the curious "lamb and lion" cohibition - peace signs along with intifada)
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Growler - good point about the general absence of Kerry signs. I haven't seen any. We need to get some Protest Warriors out there with "Moonbats for Kerry" signs.
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Tatyana-re lamb & lion-good point. And they call BUSH a "bait-and-switch" guy..tsk
You would think some of those numbskulls would have been around in WWII and would remember the shame of the world when the Holocaust was revealed in all its gruesome "glory". Apparently, they want to relive it.
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Wonder if Kerry knows about the chicoms playing him for a patsy. He can always call in the chips latter if he needs their support. Oh wait! That would be the other way around.
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Okay, Mr. Kerry, what have you ever done for us. First Hanoi and now this. Oops, almost forgot your North Korean endorsement. Hint to the Anti-Bushies: Kerry is not a valid option.
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For all you pundits and political reporters out there who think the Iraq war will have a major influence on the fall election, or who think the Bush-Kerry race is a toss-up, Yale University economist Ray C. Fair has a message for you: forget both. Iraq won't matter and Bush will win in a landslide.
Okay. Y'r on record now. You better be right or your next job's gonna involve wearing a paper hat...
In an interview to be published in next Sunday's "New York Times Magazine," Fair told Deborah Solomon, "My latest prediction shows that Bush will receive 57.5% of the two-party votes ... the chances that Bush loses are very small." Fair, who claims to be a Kerry supporter, is described by the Times in the Aug. 15 issue as being known for creating an econometric equation that "has predicted presidential elections with relative accuracy." His most recent book, in fact, is titled, "Predicting Presidential Elections and Other Things." How does he explain media expectations of a close race? Polls are "notoriously flaky this far ahead of the election," he said, while his model has allegedly proven accurate to within 2.5%. Economic growth and inflation are really the only things that matter in a presidential race, he argues, with the current war and social issues such as gay marriage having negligible impact. Asked if his prediction will boost Bush's prospects, Fair replied, "If Kerry supporters see that I have made this big prediction for Bush, more of them could turn out just to prove an economist wrong."
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The NYT reporter really tried to take him to task on this projection. It sounded awfully childish on Solomon's part... unfortunately it costs $2.95 to view the article anymore, so I won't bother linking it.
OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR
Show Me the Convention
By MICHAEL J. COPPS
Washington — As a Democratic commissioner on the Federal Communications Commission, I may not agree with many positions taken by speakers this week at the Republican National Convention. Even so, I believe our broadcast media owe us more coverage of an event that remains an important component of the presidential campaign. Yet tonight, if people around the country tune in to the commercial broadcast TV networks, most will not see any live convention coverage. That's not right.
Let's remember that American citizens own the public airwaves, not TV executives. We give broadcasters the right to use these airwaves for free in exchange for their agreement to broadcast in the public interest. They earn huge profits using this public resource. During this campaign season broadcasters will receive nearly $1.5 billion from political advertising.
What do we get in return for granting TV stations free use of our airwaves? Unfortunately, when it comes to coverage of issues important to our nation, the answer is less and less. Coverage of the 2000 presidential election on the network evening news dropped by a third compared to reporting on the 1996 election. During the last election cycle we heard directly from presidential candidates for an average of 9 seconds a night on the news. Local races? Forget it. In 2002 - the most recent midterm elections - more than half of local newscasts contained no campaign coverage at all. Local coverage has diminished to the point that campaign ads outnumber campaign stories by four to one. What coverage there is focuses inordinately on polls and handicapping the horse race.
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This is damaging-let's face it folks, your average person learns about politics from TV-he/she is not going to be influenced by political articles in the newspapers.
One good thing comes from this revelation-it shatters Franken's theory that the media is beholden to conservative voices, when in fact, a liberal media is censoring bread-and-butter election year political expression (kinda like Chris Matthews did to Michelle Malkin). "Can't hear it-can't imagine it-can't believe it."
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News junky's turned to cable news long ago. It won't be long before the networks start cutting news programs rather than face continuing after the retirment of their aging anchors. They can pipe in the CNN feed when there is an OJ Chase or some big event to cover, otherwise they make far more money with the regularly scheduled programs.
News was a prestige thing so the networks allowed the news shows to lose money. Now that there are a dozen cable news shows I'm not sure the prestige is all that important anymore.
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How ironic that I will watch tonight courtesy of PBS.
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I am just curious....
Since John F Kerry is break tradition of laying low during the opponent's convention (how pathetic is that?) and is actively campaining - do you think MSM give him more airtime then the convention itself? Would be interesting to see....
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I'm OK with this, the less Rather/Brokaw/Jennings openly biased spinning the non-connected (i.e.: non news/political junkies) Americans see, the better. Cable's made inroads and AM talk radio will get the message out. Fox News doesn't suck...heh heh
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Since John F Kerry is break tradition of laying low during the opponent's convention...
Saw on (I think) Fox today that Kerry has no appearances scheduled this week, although Edwards is out and about.
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Wow!
Just got done listening to the speaches of McCain and Rudy Giuliani.
Rudy gave one of the best speeches ever given at a convention.
In the process he ate Kerry and spit him out.
Ate, the terrorist and spit out Arafat. Condemed the world for giving Arafat a piece prize.
Condemed Germany for letting the 72 Munich terrorist out - Starting the beginning of a trend continued when in 1985 Italy forced Reagan to spit out the terrorists who killed Americans that we forced down. Said that Kerry was wrong to want to submerge the nation's safety to the political desires of some so-called friends in Europe.
Very good speech with vision depth humor and color. Watch the whole speech if you can.
The sad thing is that the big media refused to carry the Republican convention and it was only on cable and public TV. They carried the Democrats. The action of them and the antiwar protesters reminds me of the Irish who rioted in New York right after the battle of Gettysburg. Lincoln had to send the troops directly from Gettysburg to New York to crush them instead of following up with the destruction of Lee. They were worse then a fifth column and added another horrible year to that war. This because they were too cowardly to go to war for their adopted country. Tonight the Republicans reminded the US that freedom has a cost and the democrats don't want to pay it.
If the convention had been on regular TV I would have given the election to Bush after this round of speeches. But, FOX, CBS, NBC and ABC showed themselves to be partisan and the fight will wobble on. Their action was a censorship of the political process. It fits with Kerry trying to sue to stop the Swift Boat people from talking. Rather the speak the truth or lies its their right and freedom to talk. Only Big Brother censors and the Networks and Democrats are blatantly behaving as Big Brother.
I don't agree with Bush on many many things but censorship by smug twerps sucks.
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Agreed, but with just a little over two months to go, the RNC starting today, and the recent trend (zero bounce for Kerry after the DNC and upward bounce for Bush with the Swift Vet ads), it's encouraging. PA is now teetering on the brink of falling into the Bush camp, too.
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13 states moving up a notch for Bush and none moving up for Kerry does seem to indicate a trend. Bush also does this with less than 50% of the popular vote. If he gets anywhere near Fair's estimate this looks like an EC landslide.
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KEy states:
Ohio
Pennsylvania
Florida
Bush has to nail those down.
Colorado
Virginia
Missouri
Wisconsin
Michigan
Bush needs to get the majority of these.
New Mexico
Maine
West Virgnia
Iowa
These would be good pickups but a not worth spending too much effort on.
None of the rest of the states are likely to budge either way. Although if California moves into the 6% range in difference, Bush maybe could go for the jugular, placing Kerry on defensive out there.
President George W. Bush is favored by 25 points over Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry (35% to 10%) among undecided likely voters when Libertarian, Constitution and Green Party presidential candidates are factored into the 2004 presidential race, according to a new Zogby/Williams Identity poll.
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Zogby is a self seleted sample (i.e. you choose to take it), which is adjusted to "balance" it.
In other words, Zogby, for better or worse is unreliable and should be discounted.
Read Dale's ECB for a solid electoral breakdown - the guy has great methodology, and if anything, very slightly errs to the side of Kerry in granting "tossups".
He has it Kerry: 211 to 191, with the rest well inside the margin of error, and granting the close ones to each candidate, he has it Kerry 259 to 250 with Colorado and Ohio not awarded to either side.
Florida, Pennsylvania and Ohio are becoming crucial for Bush. The counts above give FLorida to Bush, Penn to Kerry, and Ohio neutral - if Bush can win Ohio as things stand now, he wins the election. If he fails on Ohio, he loses. Colorado is just icing on the cake compared to Ohio, Penn and Fla.
Hat tip: LGF. Edited for brevity.
When I read "Tour of Duty", I became concerned because the material on Kerry's time on GRIDLEY appeared in many instances to be exaggerations and in some cases figments of an overactive imagination. Here are my observations on the sections that bothered me:
1. Kerry never talked about his time on GRIDLEY. He says on page 74 that it is because "nothing much of note" happened while he was onboard. He uses words like monotony and tedious, when, despite being a boot ensign he was given every opportunity for responsibility by Captain Slifer and Commander Kelly (XO). He came aboard designated for Electrical Officer (80100), a grunt position in the Engineering Department and spent four months in that position. He was assigned duty as First Lieutenant, as Commander Kelly recalls, because of his knowledge of seamanship and his experiences with small boats and sailing. Besides being responsible for the decks of the ship, the First Lieutenant is also responsible for the ship's small boats. He also was assigned collateral duties as Public Affairs Officer. Despite all the responsibilities he was given, he gives the impression that serving on GRIDLEY was somehow beneath him. He certainly had less of an opportunity to collect "gongs" there.
2. Page 78 — "motivate 400 swabbies" — The First Lieutenant is responsible only for the personnel of 1st Division, not the entire crew. 1st Division had a roster of about 30 in 1968. To the extent that other divisions had responsibility for deck space, their officers would have been responsible for motivating them. List continued at link.
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Is it just me or there a pattern emerging here?
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check out the letter Kerry wrote home while on the Gridley in Pearl Harbor(!):
"The world I'm a part of out there is so very different from anything you, I, or our close friends can imagine. It's fitted with primitive survival, with destruction of an endless dying seemingly pointless nature and forces one to grow up in a fast â no holds barred fashion. In the small time I have been gone, does it seem strange to say that I feel as though I have seen several years experience go by.... No matter [where] one is â no matter what job â you do not and cannot forget that you are at war and that the enemy is ever present"
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The trip to Danang â GRIDLEY went into Danang for briefings before going to Northern SAR. This section is so full of hyperbole that the urge to giggle is almost uncontrollable. âThe panic and pressure onboard GRIDLEY, strapping on a .45, wondering if I would have to use it, B-52âs howling overheadâ. A B-52 over Danang would have been so high that only contrails would have been visible, cloud cover permitting...
More seriously, no one can remember John Kerry going ashore. I was part of the shore party that went to Monkey Mountain. We were taken in a screened in truck (to protect against grenades being tossed in) and made to unload our .45âs. The driver said that he did not want us newbies to shoot anyone by accident.
Neither Commander Kelly nor LCDR Rueckert (Kerryâs immediate boss) can recall approving a trip ashore for Ensign Kerry. The author uses remarks of David Simons IC2 as a lead in to the Danang section. I spoke to David and he has no personal knowledge of Kerry going ashore at all. He did talk to a researcher and made some generic remarks about Danang but had never discussed Danang with Kerry...
There is no mystery about the âgruesome site of a pile of dead VC.â We saw no sign of anything like this. However, our escort to Monkey Mountain did tell us how the VC bodies were stacked up on the LZâs after the TET Offensive, which had been several months before. Ensign Kerry would have been told this story by members of the shore party.
If, indeed, he got to the pier, because he was in charge of the motor whaleboat, it certainly would not have been within his purview to wander Danang, eating dog meat and drinking beer in a bar (under arms). It also seems amazing that he had all these observations on Vietnam in such a brief visit.
I remember going to Da Nang twice, the first time in late 1967 or very early 1968, before the Tet offensive. I can't recall ever eating dog meat anywhere in Vietnam, though I did consume some other unusual things. The Hmong, in Laos, used to raise dogs for meat, but no ethnic Vietnamese that I can recall did. I could be wrong, and I can't vouch for what the hillbillies ate...
Piles of bodies usually weren't left lying around. Even when they were fresh, they usually weren't out where visiting firemen and sailors would stumble over them. After an afternoon in the sun they're swollen and discolored and covered with flies, so they were disposed of as quickly as possible.
Da Nang was where Marines -- and Army supporting the Marines -- went for a couple days' relaxation. I believe a trip to Monkey Mountain was the ostensible purpose of my trip, but the main thing I remember is a very cross-eyed but reasonably priced hooker. (And "33" beer, with ice in it, but that applies to most places.)
B52s didn't buzz Da Nang. Usually you saw the contrails or heard the booms, hopefully far off in the distance. They flew in from out of town, then left. The only one I saw close up was when it made an emergency landing at Cam Ranh.
That's my last war story, I promise.
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but is it Kerry's last? Surely he can come up with some new material? LOL
USS Gridley's Kerry Page
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"Is it just me or there a pattern emerging here?"
No, it's not just you. The pattern that is slowly becoming clearer (it started emerging a few weeks back, IMO) is of Kerry being a habitual bullshitter and teller of tall tales.
It's one thing to do that in a bar with your beer buddies; it's another thing entirely to base an entire presidential campaign on it.
What a drip.
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Even my wife now gets a giggle at the film of Kerry, almost tripping over a coconut, with his M-16 dangling around like a toy pop gun. Obviuosly a fake piece of crap. It's hilarious, he looks so full of shit.
Fred, there a war stories and clarifications to the subject. I have a photo of myself in the RAF Woodbridge control tower with a mic as though I was talking to aircraft. It was funny to me and I made sure I used the old fashioned mic, the ATC guys didn't use it anymore, remember the type that had an inverted U hook on top. The guys told me I should use the one they used but it just didn't have the same look I was after. I needed the one you saw in the old movies. One of my most prised photos I have, and a complete fake. Never thought about a taking a movie though. Sheesh, that would have been a riot to me.
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From the title, I first thought this was another damn crosspost from Scrappleface, but then I realized I was thinking of the CSS HUNLEY and not GRIDLEY. Never mind.
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As convinced jurists for Kerry, we follow the lead of our brethren on the state supreme courts of New Jersey and Florida, and declare that this is an assault on the election prospects of the Massachusetts Senator. We deny Ralph Nader's petition, and we'll think up a reason later. We will make it sound ludicrous, but who cares. We have the power.
By Orson Scott Card
Once upon a time, the Democratic Party stood for moderation, rejecting both the extreme Left and extreme Right. That was back when far more Americans considered themselves to be Democrats than Republicans. You'd think that Democratic leaders would realize that their party started its drastic slide from political dominance when control of the party was seized by the politically correct.
But how could the leadership notice this? The leadership consists of the very people whose seizure of power caused the problem. Following the standard pattern of ideologues everywhere, they are convinced that the solution to the problem they caused is to get more power so they can do it even more. It's the same disease that afflicts the education establishment. Hmmm ... let's see ... untested theories, district-wide conformity, destruction of small neighborhood schools, union control of hiring and firing — those contributed to our problems. So the solution? More theories! More conformity! More consolidation! Stronger teachers' unions!
Likewise, in the name of diversity, the Democratic Party has ceased to be diverse. Its money comes from Hollywood, trial lawyers and the steadily diminishing trade unions. Almost completely. Its ideology comes out of paranoia and fanaticism and new religions that pretend not to be religions, like Environmentalism and Multiculturalism. And its political methods come straight from Joe McCarthy.
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Don't forget the other new religion, Olympianism.
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The Kerry Campaign Song
Sung to the COMMUNIST INTERNATIONALE
Arise ye elite folk from your lattes
Arise protestors in the streets
For reason will be put asunder
And at last ends the age of truth
So away with all calming reason
Servile emotion now arise
Weâll change forth with the old conditions
And slandering will win the prize Chorus
So trial lawyers come and rally
And put John Edwards in place
The Special Interest Groups unites all Democrats
So teacher's unions come and rally
And put John Kerry in place
The Special Interest Groups unites all Democrats
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I knowâ¦but Iâm sure there are plenty out there that would be communists for Kerry if the talking points told them to do it. Theyâd ok the frying of newborns if it allowed them admission to the cool club.
Me? No thanks! These days Iâm proud to be uncool.
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Bolshevik Preamble
WE CURE WEAK LIBERALISM WITH STRONG COMMUNISM!
Communists For Kerry is an activist cell of young communists dedicated to ridding the United Socialist States of America of all things bourgeois and non-progressive: Free Market, Free Press, Free Thought, etc. The situation is critical in the extreme. The bourgeoisie aided by propagandist chain-dogs like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity are on the verge of domination in this country and they must be stopped. In fact it is now absolutely clear that to delay the Revolution would be fatal. Through our website, as well as public demonstrations, group hugs and protesting we intend to mobilize the starving and lead them to the final fight against the evil Republican despots and towards the bright communist future, hand in hand with the peace-loving Democrats represented by Comrade Senator John Kerry.
After we re-educate our members to develop correct convictions, guiding them through the Revolution will be a cakewalk! We will teach the working class party through the studies of Marxism, Ramsey Clarkism, Kerryism, Clintonism and Mooreism.
We will promote the partyâs understanding that the only way for all people to be equal is to destroy all capitalistic ventures, as we know them. The rich must suffer as we have throughout history. The government must be held responsible for taking care of our every need.
We will instruct the party that working is for the weak minded. Through higher taxes and wealth re-distribution plans we will all have more time to spend on social and environmental equality. As Comrade Hillary said recently to a group of capitalist scum, âWe MUST take things away from you on behalf of the common goodâ.
We will teach our fellow Communist For Kerry members that we must suffer together to stop the war on the working class from the rich. We will meet regularly to sing and do art projects together to help sooth our suffering.
Communists For Kerry strive for world peace. The only way that this can be accomplished is if we relinquish our foreign policy struggle to the hands of the wise men of the United Nations. We must re-establish relationships with the great minds of France, Germany, China, Cuba and Mother Russia.
We will do our part to make sure Comrade Mikhail Mooresevic is put in charge of state run media to win the propaganda war that plagues this great nation. Mikhail already has the support of Hezbollah, Al Queada, The Taliban, France and many more great regimes throughout the world.
The two Americas must come to an end to form one homogenous socialist state. Only then shall we rest. Only then shall there be peace between us and other great Socialist nations. We shall overcome!
If any Komrades voting for Kerry wish to add 'progressive' ideas to this Bolshevik Preamble feel free right here.
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Guys, the Communists for Kerry is a Protest Warrior evil plot.
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So McCain finds the ads "dishonorable and dishonest", but thinks that Hanoi John's 1971 activities are fair game in the election? Er Senator, I believe 1/2 of the book explains in detail the 1971 activities. So what is your objection to the latest ad and the book in general? You just don't like the 1st part where Hanoi John is exposed as an opportunist?
Double speak Senator. Get your friggin act together.
That is your opinion and your opinion only. A lot of us think Hanoi John is an outright traitor. If you don't have the guts for it then so be it.
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A last comment, after I read my post, I am saying that with the greatest respect for this man who endured far more than I will ever know. When I say guts it most certainly is not in anyway to disparage this great patriot. But Senator you are wrong this time.
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Under normal circumstances I would have to agree with Sen. McCain: what Kerry did in a forward area under fire is actually irrelevant in a presidential campaign. Kerry and McCain both did far more than I ever did and for that they have earned my solemn respect.
What Kerry did after the war is unforgivable: his lies, his perfidy, and his treachery, all either criminal or bordering on criminal conductl; and his abject refusal to even deal with these matters pertaining to his postwar activities is what has this event locked into a long term debate, which may well not expire this November.
However, Kerry did make his war record the centerpiece of his campaign, using it to mask his leftist, dovish views in time of war, to break the old tradition of the US not changing presdients during time of war; so every element of his war record should be dealt with even if Kerry refuses to.
HT Drudge Report MTV, ROLLING STONE and the rock and roll establishment -- past and present -- have cast their vote, and their man is John Kerry. So on Sunday night when John Kerry's daughters were announced to speak at the annual MTV VIDEO MUSIC AWARDS, the MTV youth were expected to welcome his daughter's as pop culture princesses. Instead, in an era of the unexpected, the daughters of the Democratic candidate were met with cheers -- AND JEERS -- during the live broadcast in Miami. From the moment Alexandra and Vanessa started speaking, the boos outweighed anything close to cheers, and the reaction turned worse when the daughters asked the VIACOM youth to vote for their father. So shocked by the reaction, the taller of the two daughters tried to 'shhhhhh' her peers to no avail.
Great pic of the 'shhh' at link
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ima have em fantasees of em kerry girls and bush daughters and 200 pounds of jello.
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Bush twins -vs- Kerry Girlz in a jello wrestling match? Now that would be a sellout! How about a pay-per view special to support charity? I like the Bush twins, but I think the Kerry Girlz would take em.
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Mucky, gelatin (used to make Jell-o and other desserts) is made from the boiled bones, skins and tendons of animals. I am sorry. More details at this vegetarian website.
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In the video link, everyone who is cheering is in the front section. All the booing is coming from the backbenchers. At different points they try to switch to microphones with less booing and ALL of the video shots of the crowd are of vigorous clapping in the front row.
I refer you to Alice Cooper - political music is a traitor to rock and roll. The worst kind of art is the political cartoon. How sad that Denzel Washington is wasting his career with such drivel.
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From the moment Alexandra and Vanessa started speaking, the boos outweighed anything close to cheers, and the reaction turned worse when the daughters asked the VIACOM youth to vote for their father.
Bad news. If you're not at a political gathering, the best course of action is not to bring your politics with you. Had these two NOT tried to sway people to vote for their father and instead remained apolitical for the event, I'd have readily criticized the boo-birds as being just plain rude.
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Are you kiddin'? The Bush gals would take em in any venue, Jello, pudding, wesson....even 3-bean salad. Remember, these gals are from Texas - they got moxy.
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Yep busted moxie bottle good thing to have in a jello fight
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I can neither confirm nor deny...
After furhter esearch, seems the MTV audience were there for the party, not to be told to vote. Nothing personal, but they just wanted the music and awards. Don't take it for anything other than what it was: a demonstration for how shallow pop-culture hangers-on can be.
Actually, you might get a more objective evaluation out of a randomly selected inmate from your local lock-up, since this particular criminal, impeached federal judge Alcee Hastings, is a partisan Democrat who has already declared that the Bush camp intends to steal the election. Foreign Observers of US Vote Threaten 'Catastrophe,' Group Warns
By Marc Morano
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
When the U.S. State Department invited a team of international election observers to watch this year's American presidential election, it invited "scandal, fraud and corruption to the American electoral process," a conservative watchdog group has charged. The American Policy Center (APC) is warning of a "catastrophe," in part because Florida Democratic Congressman Alcee Hastings, labeled a "disgraced federal judge" by the APC, will play a prominent role in the election observing. Hastings was elected July 9 as president of the division at the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) that will be charged with the task.
Hastings became Florida's first African American U.S. District Court judge in 1979, nominated by then President Jimmy Carter. But nine years later, Hastings was impeached by the U.S. House for taking bribes from the federal bench and for perjury. The U.S. Senate subsequently convicted Hastings on the charges and removed him from office. "He is one of only a handful of judges ever to be impeached in the history of the U.S.," APC said in a press release. Hastings exacted his revenge by winning his own seat in the U.S. House, in 1992. He still represents Florida's corrupt predominantly black 23rd district.
Tom DeWeese, president of the American Policy Center, was already opposed to the international body observing this year's U.S. election. Hastings' involvement in the matter, DeWeese, said, means "the outrage just got more outrageous. Not only has the State Department invited a team of unaccountable, foreign bureaucrats to meddle in our free elections, but these meddlers are headed by one of the most corrupt individuals in the U.S. Congress. While they're at it, why doesn't the State Department invite O.J. Simpson to head up the FBI crime lab?"
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CNSNews, not an major MSM outlet - wotta surprise, heh. Oh goody, more coup de'tat morons posing as "observers". And Hastings. Right. Next we'll hear that Marion Barry will be join the fun, too. We're talking unique integrity, here. A little cash for Alcee and a few lines for Marion and they'll prolly attest to anything.
This shit is so lame, so fuzzy-brained, and so typical of the LLL that it's not funny, anymore. The Black Caucus, NAACP, the Urban League, et al, had better wake up before they find themselves as complete outcasts. They've let themselve be hijacked by the fringe loonies. All of the strides made in the last 40 yrs are being squandered by the current crop and their LLL money-men / advisors. What a terrible waste. This is beginning to look like the Paleos - burning decades of well-intentioned goodwill for nothing, just guaranteed grief for themselves and worse, for their constituencies.
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You're welcome, .com
You know, my blood ran cold when I saw Paul's statement about OSCE's verdict in the Soros orchestrated Georgian fraud.
Lock and load, guys, it's going to hit the fan in November.
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Claiming that elections are fraudulent or stolen will be standard operating procedure for the Democrats from now on. This will be accompanied by lawsuits that may tie up election results for months as in 2000. The Dems want to move election decisions to the courts. These tactics also provide distraction and cover for the Dems own fraudulent voting schemes.
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This Dems will be the Dems, but the OSCE is only here to observe the election and NOT monitor. The were also invited to observe the recall election here in California. They don't have any electorial power and can't overturn votes. After the discover of the dual (NY/FL) Democrat voters, I don't think the Dems should cry fraud too loudly. Any one want to guess how these people voted in Florida?
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I dunno Sarge, this smells like a beach-head to me. Once the volk are accustomed to observers, the next step will be monitors. They will make the case that because observers have no jurisdiction, we need the monitors. This $h!t needs to be brought to an end.
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I saw on Fox the other day that the AFL-CIO will also be 'observing' the election. You know they will cry 'disenfrancisement' in any district where the conservitives win.
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I have observed elections in Eastern European countries in the early 90s. It's really not a big deal. All you do is you look at some technicalities... for example how do the authorities make sure that nobody votes twice, are voters intimidated, are the ballots fair (equal sizes for all candidates) etc.
Rather strange that they would pick such a felon.
One thing to note: The OSCE is not an European Organization, as the U.S. and Canada (plus Central Asian states) are members.
Another thing: The State Department was under legal obligation to formally invite the OSCE observers (Before 2000 the OSCE didn't bother to send some though). Former President Bush signed this agreement. U.S. observers actually observed the French elections and nobody took issue.
OSCE observers have proved useful in not so democratic countries simply to deter officials from the worst frauds (or delegate those frauds to areas without observers). All the observers do is publish a report months after the elections that might affect future financial and political cooperation with those states.
OK here is the coffee alert. It's not impossible that they will invite me. Haven't decided yet whether to have a good laught at it or enjoy some sponsored sunny holidays in Florida (German november is grim).
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asking members of the Democratic left wing, it's probably hard to find someone without a criminal record. Hastings is a hack, piece of shit, convicted felon, and that's who they turn to for election advice/oversight. Sez a lot
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TGA - Ship and CF are our resident Floridians, I believe... They can tell you where you want to be in Flatland, lol! I can only tell you to nix Jacksonville - very boring! I loved the "panhandle" area - Panama City was fun! I took a batallion-level Article 15 for going there once, heh. Laid 4 times in 36 hrs - it was worth it!
#11
OK, I can look at a ballot, make sure it is written in proper English (or is that Spanish in Florida?). Takes ten minutes and then off to fishing...lol.
#12
TGA Destin FL is where you want to be, the AC-130 homefield is just inland from there. Good fishing, magnificient beaches, coolish that time of year tho.
8/30/2004 12:09:02 AM
RECORD BREAK-IN
It appears that the Kerry campaign is finally getting some of its own medicine, as it is feeling heat to release the bulk of the Sen. John Kerry's service record. For months, the campaign has been hiding behind Freedom of Information Act requests and what it has said was an exclusivity contract with its paid historian, Douglas Brinkley. But Brinkley late Friday said that there was nothing holding back the campaign from releasing documents.
By some counts, there are more than 100 pages of documents related to Kerry's military service that may answer some of the many unanswered questions and mysteries about his time in Vietnam and the citations and awards he claims to have earned. For example:
Why are there three -- THREE! -- separate and differently worded citations for Kerry's Silver Star award. On Saturday, former Navy Secretary John Lehman denied that he ever signed that third, generously worded citation, which Kerry has posted on his website.
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I looked at the photo.
The problem is apparently a ribbon called
"Air Force Outstanding Unit Award"
the other ribbon is for marksmanship, that no one rational is disputing. In fact the photo of Bush-41 pinning the Lt bar on Bush-43 also shows the marksmanship ribbon.
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Haven't found them yet, but should be easy to check to see which unit was awarded the AFOUA when he was assigned. Most likely it was the training command he was in, new Lt's don't put ribbons on they ain't supposed to. Plenty of 1st shirts around to check on just that kind of thing. We love putting butter bars in their place.
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The award only had to be given to one unit that Bush served in permanant or temporary. That means his Basic Training Squadron, Basic Flying Squadron, Fighter Training Squadron, Texas Guard, or the Alabama Guard (TDY). It's EXTREMLY rare to have served four years of service and NOT have an AFOUA. In 20 years I think I collected six.
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I noticed one instance where a training command, Newport, R.I. was given a MUC (Meritorious Unit Commendation) This would have given the award to all instructors, students and even the students at the Naval Academy Prep School - not to mention the base dentists and the guy who mowed the lawn outside the exchange.
via Townhall (h/t Lucianne) - EFL
Jay Bryant - August 30, 2004
Friday night, Bill Maher had John O'Neill on his HBO television program. O'Neill, of course, is the principal author of Unfit for Command, the book version of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth campaign to challenge John Kerry's military record. The interview itself was almost unbearably anger-provoking, as Maher snidely attempted to skewer O'Neill over and over again, while a studio audience laughed and applauded the host's every word. At least, unlike Chris "Motormouth" Matthews, he didn't interrupt O'Neill's every sentence.
In the face of this hostility, O'Neill was calm and respectful, not giving an inch, but always unflappably reasoned. I can only suppose he manages to stifle the urge to trade invective with a wiseacre like Maher by basking in the secure knowledge that he and his compatriots among the Swift Boat Veterans are an astonishing political success, the surest measure of which is the hateful reaction they have provoked among the Kerry-worshipping news media.
In the process of the interview, Maher asked at least (and perhaps only) one interesting question: if all that O'Neill says is true, why is it that other Swift Boat veterans are backing Kerry? O'Neill didn't rise to the bait, and contented himself with pointing out that Kerry has in fact the support of fewer than twenty Swift Boat veterans, whereas well over 200 had signed up with the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. But it is a good question, nonetheless, much better than Maher imagines, because it leads - or at least should lead - to some follow-up questions that, so far as I know, no news organization has undertaken. ...more...
Thoughtful, factual, article which goes where no others have gone before... and further both challenges and illuminates the craven duplicity and connivance of the media. MSM is committing suicide - and the blogosphere will carry the obit.
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Last night on FNC, Susan Esterich said that the influence of the swift boat vets would mean that Bush wouldn't be "legitimately elected".
So now, any election in which disputed claims play a role is illegitimate?
Or is it just when Euro-approved "progressives" dispute them?
Applying this standard impartially would delegitimize the original JFK's election in 1960. Older or more history concious observers will recall that a supposed "missile gap" with the Soviet Union was one of JFK's pet issues. Today, we know categorically that no such gap existed and, further, that Kennedy knew it didn't.
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God I can hear Lura Ingram doing a Susan Esterich imitation (she actually did it on Imus on the phone once) saying that stupid crap. Hang it in your ample (and ugly) ear Susan. That 10 to 1 ratio is going to kill komrad kerry.
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I cannot figure out why FNC invites either Susie Estrogen or Blob Beckel on - both are totally bought and paid for Dhimmi whores who are incapable of even acknowledging when they lose a point - on anything - no matter how trivial. They remind me of Hanan Ashrawi and Saab Erakat. Funny, come to think on it for a moment, the "causes" are damned similar, too.
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I'd be a lot happier if Fox would drop their committment to presenting both sides of every issue, and just focus on serving as a counterbalance, sanity-check, and bullshit-detector/antidote to the remainder of the MSM who are functioning as mouthpieces for the Democratic Party.
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The audience sounds like the 911 Widows from New Jersey. The mindset that Kerry's vets are good and all others who disagree are bad seems to endemic to be these people.
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It's occurred to me that Susan Estrich represents the liberal straw man, er, woman. Because she's such a tool, she makes a good "pet liberal". Unlikely to garner much in the way of sympathy or respect among the audience. Sort of like Colmes, except with balls.
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.com wrote: I cannot figure out why FNC invites either Susie Estrogen or Blob Beckel on...
I think I know why: to show as many people as possible, given new tune-in factor, how angry and unhinged these supposedly 'thoughtful' and 'caring' and 'compassionate' Democrats really are.
It is highly doubtful that anyone who isn't already drinking the KoolAid is going to be swayed by Shriekin' Susan Estrus.
Hugh Hewitt does it all the time. He brought in Bob Mulholland weekly -- until Bob realized how bad he was making the Dems look -- during the California Recall Campaign.
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ya gotta bring in the Dems to balance, but call them on their talking points. Estrich can actually admit when they have a weakness, but not now, not so close to the election, and not with Kerry sinking so fast. It's all about the "Republican smear machine" right now
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I saw the interview, and the description in the article is way too kind to that idiot Maher. O'Neill took Maher's scalp like a friggin' Apache. After one exchange Maher stood there with his jaw hanging open for about 10 seconds.
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I heard a great term today on the local talk radio here in Baghdad By The Bay....the host referred to the MSM as the "Old Media". Given the Success of the SVFT and how the Blogosphere has forced the alphabet dinosaurs to actaully address the story...I think it is a far more accurate label. And gawd, I can't stand listening to Estrich....that voice! And worse, it's connected to that necrotic growth she passes off for a brain. Please, someone....make it stop!
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Rex, I heard Melanie Morgan say that and thought it was cool too. The Swift Boat Vet she had on was GREAT! (H/T Tony the Tiger). He was just all over Kerry and was so convincing. These guys are not going away and they are exposing Kerry for the empty suit weirdo that he is.
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Definitely a great way to start a monday. I only caught the first part of that interview but it was clear he was not backing down from the dhimmicrat goon squads. I'd love to see him rip Maher a new one.
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O'Neill is perfect for his role. He is extreamely well mannered and polite and really contrasts (positively) with the shrilling of Kerry's spokespeople.
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Sorry I missed it. O'Neill has proven to be a great guest on all the shows I've seen. Estrich aka Ostrich is the perfect display of LLL arrogance and ignorance for the average American to see.
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Obviously O'Neill has his facts and is solid under fire because he knows what he's talking about. When you have a firm base you can stand a strong wind. I'm sure Maher was blowing smoke, as he is intitled to do. It's his show and he gets to be da man. Everytime I've seen O'Neil he's been a rock.
Maher does a dog face like MMoore to make points he can't argue. The "can you believe that" look.
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It's a good question, deserving of a good answer.
As I understand it, the claim of the Swifties rests on some of them being Kerry's superior officers, and some being in boats that took part in the same actions as Kerry, and thus having a different perspective of key events to which they are EQUALLY CREDIBLE witnesses. Dr. Victor Davis Hanson, as usual, scores again in bringing light into a situation that seems to be only generating heat. He doesn't as much takes sides with or against kerry as much as he points out the historical problem war historians always have of getting to the bottom of any action of war, and very sympathetically lumps Kerry in with all soldiers who may have differing views that naturally arise from being in the middle of pitched battle.
Unfortunately, the way the military historians would try to get to the truth would not favor the 20 vets who support Kerry, some of whom were under his command, when compared against the 200 testifying against him. The historians would weigh the evidence, giving various weights and demerits to each person, based on where they were and what they did. The account of a fellow captain would be weighed differently than, say, the surgeon who said that one of Kerry's wounds was insignificant. Kerry's choice NOT to fully release his records would be definitely counted against him by historians blocked from getting their hands on them to examine them.
Another shortcoming is the Cambodian Christmas incident which, lacking the elements of an active battle, does not gain any benefit of the doubt given to those acting within the fog of war generated by contact with the enemy. He claims to have been shot at by the Khmer Rouge, when the record indicates the borders would have been defended by Cambodian regulars still under the command of the regime that was itching to remain neutral.
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Jarhead is right, but I'd like to clarify: Walter Russel mead notes that the vast majority of american soldiers have been Jacksonians. They have always been deeply involved with the concept and practice of Honor: Most duels in the United States prior to the practice being banned were conducted between people who were identifiable Jacksonians by their biographies.
Offending or questioning the honor of a Jacksonian is a grievous offense, and Kerry's behavior after his return from Vietnam incurred their justifiable wrath.
All of the above, of course, explains perfectly why John Cain doesn't like the criticism of Kerry in combat situations (benefit of the doubt based on fog of war), BUT felt that his behaviour after returning from Vietnam is fair game (No fog of war, and what was said and written is verifiable).
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Here's another good question, Mr. Maher:
Has any previous Presidential candidate ever had his military service questioned by people who served with him?
I can't think of any.
That's what bothers me about Kerry. He was a dick in '71 for personal political gain at the expense of people who spent considerably more than 4 months in-country, and got their medals the hard way - like losing body parts, or even their life.
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mojo, who made the weird remark at Donkey Con, sKeery or his wife, that he got his medals the "old-fashioned way?"
(Are we to imply that he bought them, as per what really happened?)
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Mojo, President Johnson's war record was questioned by someone who had served with him. Seems Johnson had a medal for something in the Korean (?) war that he shouldn't have had. If I remember right someone had written it up for him and gave him one. It was for a "battle" in the air over Korea. Turns out it was a short, no-event flight.
Anyway, someone with him that day, the only flight he ever took, came forward and Johnson had to get rid of the medal. I don't remember all the details. Read on one of the many blogs I'm reading these days.
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EFL, from McCain's speech as presented by Yahoo! News
While McCain's tone was mostly conciliatory, he criticized Michael Moore, whose documentary film "Fahrenheit 9-11" attacks Bush over Iraq and has been popular with liberal audiences. Without mentioning Moore by name, McCain called him "a disingenuous film maker who would have us believe that Saddam's Iraq was an oasis of peace."
I was impressed. That was the best speech I've heard McCain give yet.
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And that reference stopped his speech cold as the convention made its contempt rather clear. It was nice, very nice indeed, to hear Americans, not just here in the blogosphere, show this cretin the derision and scorn he so richly deserves.
#3
Giuliani just finished speaking, and he made McCain look pale and peaked. The convention's going to be the Dems' nightmare: WoT is the most important issue we're facing.
Giuliani made minced meat of Kerry...
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Too bad that the 9-11 themed night was the one that the networks chose not to Kerry.
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RWV - The MSM's refusal to carry I think was deliberate because of the 9-11 theme.
They want us to forget that 9-11 ever happened, go back to the pre 9-11 'soft america', and elect John Kerry. I'm betting that the MSM will give Kerry even more coverage then the GOP Convention.
Notice also how Kerry is breaking with tradition and continuing to activly campain during the GOP Convention. Isn't it a long tradition that the 'other' canidate lay low and allow the convention to have its 'day in the sun'?
#7
Michael Moore should be dragged, by his balls, through the streets of NYNY by the NYPD and NYFD and relatives of the 9-11 dead then dumped in the East River.
#8
once again: use the link to hide your window-busting url's!
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Guilliani was da man. He reads Rantburg for sure. Has anyone heard anybody name names like he did, Ala Germany 1972, Italy ala appeasement. Man powerful. God bless you all. Things are going swimingly. The truth is no longer being lost in blonds behaving badly.
#17
We have to be careful of Jabba the Hut disappearng into hospitals. He might have the stomach stapling surgery, lose 90% of his weight, and come out unrecognizable!
Controversy over building a proposed Islamic community in Little Rock and many residents are not pleased. The planning commission unanimously approved the project which includes a mosque, a school and more than 20 homes. This stamp of approval is just the first step in a long process that will include much opposition. Several members of the community and members of the planning commission expressed their concerns. Their biggest concern, they are fearful this planned Islamic community will exclude other religions. Little Rock resident... Tim Lawson, says, "I'm opposed to any type of segregation and I believe this is what's going to happen.
It was standing room only as the planning commission listened to both sides of the issue. The Islamic Center for Human Excellence is currently located on the 1700 block of Wright Avenue. But they want to relocate to 40th street and potter. Some are concerned the homes located on the lot will be reserved only for Muslims. Lawson says, "Having a separate community based on religion or based on color or anything is wrong; but their church leader, Imam Aquil Hamidullah, says that won't happen. "We have a long road ahead of us⊠that's all that is. There is defiantly some education needed."
People and commission members were also concerned about the bill of insurance. Residents will be asked to sign this and it will act as a Home Owners Association. Imam Hamidullah, says, "What we want is to have a clean community. In other words we want a community free of alcohol, drugs, and free of gangs... of bad behavior." After much heated debate and questions from members of the commission about a possible exclusion of certain religions, deputy City Attorney Cindy Dawson reminded the planning commission they are only allowed to vote based on the property and its location, not the other issues. Now that the plans have been approved by the planning commission, it will next head to the board of directors.
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Why intentionally allow a tumor?
These people have made it abundantly clear they have no intention of integrating into society. Who needs this obvious time bomb of grief and stupidity? They'll be pointing their loudspeakers outward for prayer call before you know it - driving those on the fringe away... and the tumor enlarges at the host's expense, killing off the surrounding tissue of society.
I think this fucker's malignant, too.
Integrate or fuck off. And that goes for everyone.
#2
Why intentionally allow a tumor?
Because in the course of our government's brainwashing about Islam is the religion of peace and how tolerance is oh-so wonderful and America is nation of immigrants, we have ended up with many people, most notably our brain dead politicians, who are scared to use their common sense and have the courage to say "no" on behalf of the majority of their constituents. It doesn't help the situation to have the out-of-control ACLU standing in the offing threatening to sue if Islam doesn't get 150% of its requests met.
Why do we have soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan taking our values there while back at the ranch we are allowing Muslims to change our nation to look more like the ME? This Little Rock thingie is the matching slap in the face to the Muslim call to prayer being approved in Michigan. There's also the kick in the pants by our Justice Department fighting on behalf of Muslims being able to wear headscarfs to taxpayer supported public schools[Oklahoma case March 2003] And if you think Sharia Law is not coming to your neighborhood soon, you are kidding yourself.
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Easy, rex. You sure think on a grand scale. Look, I've handled clowns like these before, several times on behalf of my grandparents. This is 8 or 10 people on a Planning Commission and, on followup if there's a real problem, maybe a dozen or so City Council members. The ACLU would be hard-pressed to make a case for this exclusionary BS - being against would be a snap, but as you say - that wouldn't be their trip on this issue. They'll prolly sit this out.
Anyway, this is a small group making a grab and a bunch of twitters who can be bought and sold like Girl Scout cookies deciding. The citizenry just needs to make it crystal clear to the elected people who live just down the block what they want in their city - and it is their city. "Naw, I don't really like this, Bill. You wanna be on my championship bowling team this year, huh? Well deep-six this turkey. Oh, and you can bring back, my Goddamned hedge clippers, too, if you fuck around on this. You cross me, man, and Marge will yank the chain on Peggy's PTA Board seat, too. You'll get to take that cute little name plaque home with you when you get whipped next fall, to boot. We clear?"
So chill, rex. Save your global screech for something worthy - this is small potatoes in one-off mode. It's when it's repeated all over the country that it becomes cancer. It's not happening this way, commonly, that's the old method: quietly and slowly buy out a run down neighborhood. That was my point: stop this approach dead in its tracks. Here. Now. Word will get around.
BTW, I won't get drawn into some lameass endless debate, either. You don't know dick about local politics, it appears. I do. Be cool and focus on something worth 100 posts.
#6
Shiver shiver for the MIB (man in black) comming to get you.
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Did you read the article, Murat?
This particular Muslim group wants official permission to build a religious ghetto. That is illegal in this country, in the same way that its illegal to refuse to sell/rent your property to people of another race. Mosques are a different issue altogether, and generally not a problem as far as I know, unless they insist on broadcasting the call to prayer, which gets into noise control ordinances.
#8
I'd think Arkansas residents would know how to handle a sharia ghetto if the Council buckles.
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Did you read the article, Murat?
Why would he let facts get in the way of his bigotry?
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Oh c'mon Trailing wife,
A ghetto of 20 houses, is that what all the rumpus is about?
We have whole neighbourhoods and construction sites for Christians and Jews in Istanbul, no one is even bothering there about and you make a tumult over 20 houses, fearing religious ghetto's, you guys sound neurotic!
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thatn nice. you are kep you religious ghettos okay. we arent want em here. ifn religious ghettoes okay with you that fine but kep em in turkey.
#12
hmmm was it the Christian and Jew enclaves that spurred your Istanbul bombings?
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I'd rather think a fool called Bush was the main reason that spurred and a bunch of maniacle terrorists who did it.
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you mean because Turkey was such a servile tool of the Bushitler war machine? I seem to remember it differently. Rewriting history, again, huh? How about home-grown muslim killers? Doesn't that describe them better?
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Franky AlQaeda happen to be a CIA product, remember. With to much hormones applied it exploded in your hands, experiment failed.
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So, Murat, are you ever going to produce the "proof" you have of my identity? Or are you too much of a coward and liar?
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that in what happen when you are not get lay enuff!
#19
question, why are 100.000 good guys protesting that pimp?
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you can have the 100,000, Rat, like you, they are antiAmerican
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Murat asks: "why are 100,000 good guys protesting that pimp?"
#1: There weren't that many and they certainly weren't "good." The organizers of the protest claimed "hudreds of thousands", then 400,000, then 200,000, then 100,000. Wishful, but erroneous thinking on their part. Of course, as communist/democrat-socialist/gay/lesbian protestors, they know that many people will only check into the news briefly, and walk away with the "400,000" number and believe it. That was their agenda from the start (just like the planned-in-advance "coffin" march and the setting of floats on fire--all designed for photo ops and to give the illusion that public support is larger than it is).
#2 Bush said the war on terrorism, âis a long-lasting ideological struggleâ and that âit ought to be called the struggle of a totalitarian point of view that uses terror as a tool to intimidate the free." They were there in NYC because they are totalitarian in their political ideologies. Check the groups represented, and you'll see. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance--the totalitarians want to take over this country. That's no secret, Murat.
Problems with the Islamic housing/mosque enclave being developed in AK. This is but one arm of the jihad, aimed at proselytizing America and gaining a physical presence under the protection of US laws. Why do they want to be around the mosque and have their own school? Why not move into the community as part of the community? Because mosques are, basically, defensible military "installations." Don't kid yourselves. The Islamofascists (Islamic Totalitarians) have clear-cut plans to bring about a world-wide Islamic State.
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These Muslim community developers push this too far and they are going to awaken a sleeping giant: old fashioned posses. Arkansans are for the most part gracious and accepting, but they sure won't smile and bend over if the character of their town or the freedoms of its citizens starts to decline.
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"What we want is to have a clean community. In other words we want a community free of alcohol, drugs, and free of gangs... of bad behavior."
And when the real world refuses to be shut out, these guys will do what all muslims/non-pacifist utopians eventually do. They will barricade themselves in there with guns and will shoot anyone who tries to come in there.
I give it 20 years tops before the govt will be forced to go in there at the cost of many lives.
#24
They ought to do as the other religious groups that want to shut out the normal world do and move to some very rural area. I'm thinking of the Catholics, Amish and Hutterites. Nobody minds if they create their own religious communes in the middle of nowhere as long as they don't bother anybody else.
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I don't think this is really Murat. Not with words like: rumpus, tumult, neurotic, spurred.
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What is the peaceful solution to this problem of islamic ghettos in the US?
I gotta idea that I think might work.
It is illegal anywhere in this country to bar a person from buying property in any neighborhood they wish. So in cases like the one in question, we need to take the initiative and be certain that a good portion of those houses are bought by people who are Christian, gay, Hindu etc.
The same goes for Dearbornistan and Detroitistan. We need in a big way to go on a mission to resettle these areas before there are major problems with these communities insisting on Sharia law for their areas.
Its gonna happen so we need to hurry.
I figure that if all the groups who stand the most to lose from the establishment of Islamic communities, towns and cities were to get together and do something like this then we could insure that no area becomes muslim dominated.
Just think of this. Want to avoid the specter of an Islamist congressional or senatorial candidate or voting block etc? Want to avoid the chance that anyone who would advocate altering the Constitution to allow for Sharia law etc? Then Christians, Hindus, Bhuddists, Jews, Atheists, and Gays need to move to Muslim communities and break them up now.
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And there it is folks....the AQ is a CIA boogie-man. Murat proving once and for all he's not just a troll, but an idiot as well.
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Ms Davis,
Yes that would be fine and for people who just want to be left alone that is usually what they do.
The problem is that muslims have no intention of living apart and minding their own business. They want to establish dominance smack in the middle of our towns and cities. They deliberately want to fill our schools with little girls wearing headscarves. This is because their ultimate goal is to force our public institutions to accomodate them which is only the first step to undermining our secular tradition.
The difference between the Amish and muslims is that the Amish aren't under any religious obligation to convert the whole world to their practices. They are Anabaptists whose first principle is the right of all to follow their own religious conscience and live accordingly. They paid a heavy price for that in Europe and they have never given any major problems to anyone who doesn't want to live like they do in this country.
On the other hand, muslims are obligated to make islam the highest law over all the world. All groups must be made to live under islamic law even if they are allowed to continue to practice a strictly limited form of their own religion. In islamic theology ultimately everyone must live under the dominance of islam.
They don't just want to be left alone. They want to establish all islamic areas where they can not only dictate local law in accordance with sharia but also to elect representatives who will in the long run eventually vote for constitutional changes which will at the least divide our nation like Nigeria is currently divided. In the worst case scenario, muslims will become a majority in this country and willl vote to overturn the constitution entirely.
IF you think that this can't happen then just check out our birth rate compared to theirs. Also check out how quickly they have become an almost majority in Dearborn and Detroit. Also check out how many muslim families are buying motels in small toens across the nation. They will establish mosques in every hamlet before long and from there will demand that the govt make them the exception to the laws that the rest of us live under.
I believe that we can stop this scenario if we are smart without having to turn to posses, pogroms or oppression. If we are really interested in protecting the rights of all
We need to draw a line now and resolutely defend it within the rule of our laws.
About your last point..."I believe that we can stop this scenario if we are smart without having to turn to posses, pogroms or oppression"...
only if our people are willing to do unpopular things like speak out publicly about what's dangerous with Islam, how the Muslim community must adapt itself for successful integration with the other American communities (and that would include obeying the laws of equal rights-no discrimination based on religion, skin color, sex), swearing allegiance to the laws of this land over the laws of Islam, denunciation from their religious leaders of honor killings, appeasement of murderers, silence about terrorism, genital mutilation, polygamy, etc. Many fellow citizens are afraid of being called "racist" or "bigot" simply by naming antisocial behaviors all too common in the Islamic world today. If our citizens are too timid to confront the ills of Islam's soul, then Islam will come out the winner.
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Yes, jules. This is our country and we have a right to demand that they bend to our expectations and not the other way around. we just need to be brave enough to do it. We must insist that they oblige us by respecting secularism without any blurring of the lines. With some imagination and guts, qualities for which we are rightly renowned, we can ensure that the lines stay clear and invoilate.
#33
whoring contribution $ from Arab sympathizers and money launderers for terror groups. Her constituency is majority black
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#33 Frank: You're so right. Prince of Soddy sent Mayor Guiliani a check for a couple thousand if he'd not blame Muslims for 9/11. Guiliani immediately returned the check and McKinney got in line for it. Downhill ever since then. Her constituency is by far majority black, but big parts of the district are becoming more middle class/upper mid class. Will be interesting to watch what happens here in Atlanta in the next few elections. Basically, she's a crackpot who'll take money from anyone (whether or not they actually have any population in her district).
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I believe that we can stop this scenario if we are smart without having to turn to posses, pogroms or oppression.
Who recommended "posses,pogroms, or oppression?"
If we are really interested in protecting the rights of all. We need to draw a line now and resolutely defend it within the rule of our laws
Here's the problem: the rights of all are not being protected because the minority sectors of society have figured out how to redefine the intent of the framers - they abuse rule of law to allow tyranny of the minority, or another way of phrasing it is to have the tail wagging the dog. Also the PC thinking that is so prevelent now adays has stamped out common sense. This is a prime example. This is Little Rock, Arkansas-whose past history had the ugly spectre of segregation. Now after all this years of putting the past behind them, the residents are having segregation shoved down their throats but cloaked as a good thing by their city fathers. Where's the common sense?
Easy, rex. You sure think on a grand scale.
Grand scale??? I just quoted you examples of events that have already taken place in America. And Sharia Law is approved in the country next door that for all intents in purposes is like a mirror image of ourselves. Hpow often have we heard it said that Canada is our unofficial 51st state? Is the Supreme Court not taking into consideration international case law as we speak for their decisions? You don't think Sharia Law's next stop will be the USA? What's so grand about that prediction?
BTW, I won't get drawn into some lameass endless debate, either. You don't know dick about local politics, it appears. I do.
Wrong. In one of my prior jobs I was responsible for delivering services to a municipal jurisdiction of 100,000 citizens. I interfaced with local politicians and voters and silly servants 24/7. So, I'd say I have 10X more experience than you dealing with "local politics" and "local politicians", thank you very much.
As for lameass posts, what are you referring to specifically?
I don't see where you two really disagree, .com and rex, other than the degree to which we should be alarmed. What's the deal?
Thank you, #18. It would appear that .com has some "inner angst" he needed to find an opportunity, albeit in an odd way, to unload.
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rex,
Nobody recommended that here.
I mentioned it because I see it as an inevitable outcome if we follow an accomodationist strategy in America per islam sole dictation. The reason why is that that path will inevitably lead us to an islamic state within our own. Once it becomes a real possibility, then a backlash will inevitably follow as it has in Nigeria where it is likely to get even worse unless the Christians in that country simply roll over and hand over their whole country to the islamists.
I'm not sure that many people are aware of this but muslims in the Christian majority south are now also demanding that sharia be implemented for them too. That is only the beginning of what they intend. If they are refused, they will start to rebel. If they are accomdated sharia will spread as their numbers increase. Once it starts, it doesn't stop until islam wins and everybody else becomes a dhimmi with restricted freedom in deference to islamic sensibilities.
I want to avoid the kind of scenario where things start getting ugly. Things get ugly when the majority feels it has a good reason to feel threated by a minority. In most cases there is no need to be threatened by a minority, but in this case, with muslim birth rates and their practice of immigrating in overwhelming numbers to an area until it is dominated by them, plus their inability to see any value in secularism, plus it being their religious duty to bring the whole world under islamic law and you have a recipe for a hell of a backlash someday if we don't act now.
I realize that this is very long term thinking, but this specter of a time when both sides would suffer heavy loss of life is something that I would rather avoid. We avoid it by starting sooner rather than later.
I believe that ethical creative thinking on the private level undertaken by individual citizens simply acting on their rights and priveleges as citizens can have a very positive outcome. #1 is break up the islamic ghettos in Michigan and elsewhere by people choosing to live and vote in these areas who are opposed to islam spilling into areas where it ought not to be. #2 would be to find private and technological ways of solving the problems they have with their religious duties and obligations colliding with the spirit of strict secularism in our public institutions and in public areas.
I think we could nip the problem in the bud before there ever is any trouble and that both groups can live happily in a situation of true mutual respect where neither side is required to roll over and play the beyatch to the other.
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Guys, I live in Dearborn Heights. Dearborn and Detroit are not -stans--that would be Turkish anyway. We've got some of everybody, just like anyplace else--Indians, Koreans, Vietnamese, Latin American, East European, and native born of every possible description, particularly Italian and Polish with attendant groceries and restaurants. Ten minutes from here there's a big Jewish community, and ten more a new Holocaust museum. Detroit hosts a large Hindu temple. I saw a Buddhist monk at the zoo. Gays are indeed to be found, as for that matter are feminists: me, for one, and a Muslim friend of mine for another. I've never heard the call to prayer in my life, the Iraqi Shia center up the street is next door to a Catholic seminary, and everybody gets along. Madonnas in some front yards, Hajj posters on some doors. Quite a few flags. No dress codes, no plotting, no grumbling, no dirty looks. If you lived here, you'd worry less.
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Linda that's good to hear, thx
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Trying to turn off peggy's italics tag...
Linda - That sounds so wonderful! Ahem. But that is not what's being proposed by the Muslims in the article, is it? That's the point - they're trying to create an exclusive Muslim community. I hope, for your sake, that the war between the Islamists and Freedom doesn't reach the bloody in-your-face level in the US. I believe it's clear, after watching news coverage and reading extensively about the demonstrations in your area against US efforts to free Iraq, that you will definitely see another side of Islam if violence comes. Perhaps that day can be postponed indefinitely - I have friends in your area, as well, and they don't paint such a rosy picture. I'll assume the norm is between yours and theirs. Good Luck!
#41
sounds like we need to dust off the '50s/'60s suits against laws that banned Jooooos in country clubs. I'm sure the ACLU would join in that effort, right?
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#40
I think I screwed up a previous attempt to post, so apologies for my indifferent computer literacy.
Anyway, here goes.
I don't claim to know a thing about Little Rock. I don't wear glasses of any kind. I'm familiar with Memri, read LGF daily, and have the common sense horror reaction to blatant, bloody-minded delusional psychosis. I accept that a lot of bad guys want me dead and most cordially hate them back. I'd be interested in the opinions of your acquaintance in my area. Maybe I'm missing something. But in the last ten or fifteen years I haven't had the sense that any of the neighbors hate my guts for religious or ideological reasons. I wasn't aware of antiwar protests around here, though I did see parts of the celebratory marches on April 9 2003 and the following December when we caught Saddam. The only political discussions I've had were civil: one with a Pakistani my age who thought that the idea of a President leaving office after a lost election was, if somewhat novel, cool; and another with an Egyptian that went about the way you'd expect debate between a forty-something independent and a college kid to go.
Maybe I'm just tired of people bashing the Dearborn area, haunted by some vision of a sharia-thumping, kufr-hating fifth column breeding babies and bad intentions double-four time as carelessly tossed off by media types that,perhaps not coincidentally, can only see a quagmire in Iraq. Normal folks make boring news. My neighbors--those I know, at any rate--are nice people, easy to make friends with, quick and insistent with invitations to chats that work out to last for an hour or two, determined that you will indeed try their cooking, gracious about any gift offered for Eid, Easter, or Christmas, and punctilious about making a return at the earliest appropriate opportunity. I haven't heard the call to prayer, but I have heard Jingle Bells in Arabic in a restaurant with a 50% Muslim clientele. And for what it's worth, it was way more fun to visit the Shia House of Wisdom garage sale in a miniskirt than it was to walk the diag in Ann Arbor when the DNC was out. So maybe something between the jihadi and the grandma gene is an accurate picture. Just wanted to offer a reminder that IIRC even Kipling thought East could meet West on a personal level.
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Nice post Linda. Lets hope that the glow of freedom can keep the worst elements at bay. I'm not so sure these days anymore.
NEW DELHI, Aug 29: India tested its Agni II surface to surface missile on Sunday in overcast conditions, PTI said quoting defence sources. It said the missile which has a range of 2000 to 2500 kms , was tested from the Integrated Test Range at Wheelers' island in the Bay of Bengal off the coast of Orissa.
Hmmm, it can also reach parts of Iran, wotta coincidence.
The missile took off from a mobile launcher at Launch Complex IV at 1255 IST under an overcast sky, PTI said. Pakistan was informed about the proposed test a couple of days ago, as required under the nuclear CBMs between the two countries agreed in Lahore in February 1999. Indian Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee, Scientific Adviser to the Ministry of Defence V.K. Atre and Project Director R.N. Agrawal witnessed the launch along with over 100 scientists. It was the missile's third test flight. The first was on April 11, 1999 and the second on Jan 17, 2001.
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India's long range missiles are designed to deter China rather than Iran. I believe the Agni III missile will be able to reach China's major coastal cities.
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I wonder if some Israeli "nuclear technology" might have found it's way to India? What if they had a deal on Iran?
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India and Iran have close ties with each other. Israel and India have many defence deals with each other but like with Israel and China, it is just business.
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