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-Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
Khalifa urges all Muslims to perform rain prayers
ABU DHABI — The President, His Highness Shaikh Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan, has urged Muslims in the country to hold prayers for rain across the country on Monday at 8am.
Bring your rattles and feathers.
Posted by: Steve White || 11/21/2004 12:04:31 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  THe only rain in the vicinity to attract at the moment are... clouds of locusts.
Posted by: Cornîliës || 11/21/2004 3:39 Comments || Top||

#2  Good luck , I prefer long range weather forecasts . But hey , we are dealing with our dark ages brothers , not that allah ahs been listening to them all much recently .
Posted by: MacNails || 11/21/2004 4:55 Comments || Top||

#3  If it gives the people something to do while they wait for the rains to come, and enables them to burn off surplus energy that would otherwise go to more harmful pursuits, I'm all for it.
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/21/2004 11:41 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Saudi bride roughs up guest
AN enraged Saudi bride badly beat up a female wedding guest who had photographed her with a camera-equipped mobile phone, a newspaper reported today. After spotting the woman taking the picture in the all-female section of the party in the western city of Taif, the bride "beat her severely, destroyed her mobile phone and pulled her by her hair in front of all the guests," the Al-Jazirah daily said. The bride then ripped off the woman's veil and announced through a microphone the woman's motives, before receiving a round of applause "for being vigilant". She then tidied up her appearance and proceeded with the celebration.

Camera-equipped mobile phones are ostensibly banned in the conservative kingdom, where men and women celebrate weddings separately, leaving women at liberty to discard the all-covering black cloaks and veil that are obligatory in the presence of men. Earlier this month, four ministries appealed to King Fahd to lift the ban, arguing that such technology had become a "fait accompli like television and the internet."
Posted by: tipper || 11/21/2004 6:37:01 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  is this a repost? Or did this happen again?
Posted by: Frank G || 11/21/2004 9:27 Comments || Top||

#2  where men and women celebrate weddings separately

Damn, that about sez it all.
Do the bridge and groom appear at the ceremony together?
Posted by: Shipman || 11/21/2004 10:21 Comments || Top||

#3  LOL! That would be bride and groom.

My collection is getting out of hand. I'll defer.
Posted by: Shipman || 11/21/2004 13:09 Comments || Top||


Britain
Queen Elizabeth to Honor Chiraq in her Home
INSULT ART: Can anything top a British snub? Consider the reception planned for French President Jacques Chirac on his arrival yesterday in London: After alighting at Waterloo station, the Toronto Globe and Mail tittered earlier this week, Mr. Chirac was to watch "Les Misérables," the "musical adaptation of the Victor Hugo novel so disliked by French elites." The venue? Windsor Castle's Waterloo Chamber, "specially built by King George IV as a secular shrine to the defeat of the French, where large portraits of the Duke of Wellington and other British victors will glare down at the French President."
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 11/21/2004 11:16:36 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Oh, well done Your Majesty. I like a woman with a classy way of making a point.
Posted by: too true || 11/21/2004 11:38 Comments || Top||

#2  That's not all. Chirac arrived half an hour late (he blamed the London traffic) and the Queen didn't wait for him. She went off to greet other guests leaving Philip to do the dirty deed.
Posted by: Bulldog || 11/21/2004 12:30 Comments || Top||

#3  Chirac, the great diplomat, showed up late for a reception by the Queen? That's too rich.
Posted by: Matt || 11/21/2004 12:56 Comments || Top||


Labour minister announces/admits hunting ban is part of 'class struggle'
An interestiong development in the UK hunting ban story. EFL
A member of the Government admits today that the hunting ban is driven by old-fashioned class warfare and is, at its heart, a bitter battle for control of Britain. Writing in The Telegraph, Peter Bradley, the parliamentary private secretary to Alun Michael, the rural affairs minister, reveals that the real reason that Labour MPs feel so strongly about the ban is because it is aimed at killing 'the old order' and is the first time in history that a Labour government has taken on 'the gentry'. Mr Bradley says: 'We ought at last to own up to it: the struggle over the Bill was not just about animal welfare and personal freedom: it was class war.' The MP for The Wrekin adds that it was the 'toffs' who declared war on Labour by resisting the ban [!!!], but agrees that both sides are battling for power, not animal welfare.
And here was me thinking one side was merely fighting to maintain the status quo, and get on with what's been a favourite part of rural life for centuries. But, NO, daring to resist the massive urban mob means you're 'battling for power'. What a f'kin tosser.
'This was not about the politics of envy but the polities of power. Ultimately it's about who chases foxes governs Britain.' Mr Bradley's comments are in stark contrast to statements from ministers, who have always lied claimed that the Act to ban hunting with hounds is about protecting wildlife. Mr Bradley, 51, admits that he personally sees the campaign to save hunting as an assault on his right to govern as a Labour MP. He protests that the hunting cause is made up of 'the privileged minority which for centuries ran this country from the manor houses of rural England' and tried to keep people like him 'in our place'. 'The placards of the Countryside Alliance plead 'Listen to Us' but what they mean is 'Do What We Say' - as for centuries we have. But that old order no longer prevails.' 'Labour governments have come and gone and left little impression on the gentry. But a ban on hunting touches them. It threatens their inalienable right to do as they please on their own land. Preparations to resist the ban, which was forced through Parliament last week, are gaining pace. When it comes into force on February 19, 10 days before the end of the season, hunts will go out as usual with 50,000 people preparing to break the new law then challenge police to charge them.
Seems a good time to take up the hobby.
Me, too. Do I have to wear one of those hats, though?
Posted by: Bulldog || 11/21/2004 6:32:02 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  People doing what the want on thier own land.Buncha barbarians,whats wrong with these people? Don't they know that the land belongs to the Socialist Brotherhood(sarc).Wankers!
Posted by: raptor || 11/21/2004 6:57 Comments || Top||

#2  His admission is going to doom the ban when it gets it's hearing in a law court. It is the act of denying a class of people the right to persue an activity baised on their birth, who they are or their wealth.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 11/21/2004 7:51 Comments || Top||

#3  Hmmm .... it would do so in the US, perhaps. But in British legal precedent, would that matter? Just asking - don't know.
Posted by: rkb || 11/21/2004 7:57 Comments || Top||

#4  In Medieval Europe cats where demonized and reduced to endangered species levels of existence. The rat population expanded . When the plague arrived from Asia, the rats acting as a vector spreading the disease. The toll to humans was about a quarter of the continental population and about a third of England. The idiots in the isles just went through mad cow disease and can’t see the value in controlling another animal population which can act as a vector. Instead by making the issue a political canard, they are acting just like the superstitious peasants of Medieval Europe. Good luck boys, you're going to need it. Oh, and if there is any related outbreaks, the government will have to step in and expend resources to do what has been done privately at no expense to the taxpayer previously. We're from the government, we're here to help you.
Posted by: Don || 11/21/2004 10:10 Comments || Top||

#5  Hmmm .... it would do so in the US, perhaps.

Actually it's very likley that it wouldn't. The class of persons at whom such a ban would be aimed here are not legally recognized as a protected class (indeed it's unlikely that a court would even recognize that a particular "class" of persons to be the target of the law) so almost any government justification for enacting such a ban would be upheld (think "pretense").
Posted by: AzCat || 11/21/2004 10:22 Comments || Top||

#6  You definitely have to wear one of the hats. Else you risk getting your brains bashed

The whipppers hate to clean up brains.

If only they'ed repair the fences better.
Posted by: Shipman || 11/21/2004 10:24 Comments || Top||

#7  After they pass the law they have to enforce it. Based on the protests in London, they better have plenty of room in their prisons and a way to deal with jury nullification.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 11/21/2004 10:38 Comments || Top||


Europe
Family spurns daughter aged 14 for having sex
THE parents of a 14-year-old Muslim girl, forced to leave the family home for having sex with a 35-year-old man, have told gardai they are disowning their child. The girl, who is currently in care of the Eastern Regional Health Authority (ERHA), was thrown out of her West Dublin home after she admitted to having sex with the man, whom she met through a mobile phone text-and-date service. The teenager's devout parents were so upset that they ordered her to leave home, even though, because of her age, she is the victim of statutory rape. Last week gardai in Blanchardstown and childcare officials met the girl's parents but could not convince them to take her back. "They say what she has done goes against all their religious beliefs," said a senior officer. "It is not unusual for parents to throw their daughter out of the home in these circumstances," said Leslie Carter, an Irish Muslim and a women's officer for the Islamic Cultural Centre in Clonskeagh, Dublin.
The wench will be lucky if Pop doesn't kill her or, if he's a Pak, toss acid in her face...
"She has lost her virginity before marriage and that is a source of deep shame for any practising Muslim family. Chastity is fundamental in Islam. The shame of people knowing must be intolerable for them. It depends on each family how they react, but for some, the disgrace of a daughter losing her virginity before marriage is just too much to bear."
I guess they can't ship her off to a nunnery, huh?
Detectives confirmed that the man at the centre of the rape allegation has admitted to having sex with the girl on more than one occasion. The teenager, who cannot be named for legal reasons, met the man in the car park of Cabra garda station after six months of text messages and phone calls. They met on four occasions before going to a well-known hotel to have sex. "The man is from Co Galway," said the officer. "It seems he became obsessed with this dating service and was seeing at least four women. He has admitted having sex with the girl, but is claiming he didn't know she was underage. Obviously, ignorance of the law is no excuse."
"She has the body of a 15-year-old, yer honor!"
Modern dating techniques are frowned upon by Ireland's Muslim elders. Earlier this year, a chaperoned singles event aimed at introducing Irish Muslims to prospective marriage partners was cancelled. Some 50 Muslim men and women were due to take part but it was called off after Muslin elders claimed the match-making dinner was "the work of the devil".
Dating can lead to SNUGGLEBUNNIES, which is the non-dairy whipped topping of the Evil One!
Posted by: Anonymoose || 11/21/2004 4:18:07 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Excellent - this means some lucky non-Muslim guy will get to snap her up. Gonna be hard for Muslim men to propagate without Muslim wives.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 11/21/2004 21:00 Comments || Top||


France to sell up to 600 tonnes of gold
The Bank of France and the French finance ministry yesterday agreed to sell up to 600 tonnes of gold reserves over the next five years and use the proceeds to help the country's deficit-ridden budget. At current prices, the sale of 600 tonnes would generate $8.6bn (€6.6bn, £4.6bn). "Extra revenues for the state resulting from this action will be dedicated ... to the reduction of public deficits and to the financing of long-term employment, particularly in the area of research," the central bank and finance ministry said in a joint statement.
They've been losing researchers and falling behind because they pay PhDs not much more than the 'artists' who live their lives off of the dole.
The proposed sale equates to almost 20 per cent of the 3,025 tonnes held by the central bank, the fourth largest holder of gold after the US, Germany and the International Monetary Fund. The decision comes seven months after France first indicated it might sell part of its gold reserves, some of which was accumulated during the Napoleonic era, and coincides with bullion hitting a 16-year high yesterday.
They'll need to do it slowly or the price will drop. But this also suggests they don't expect the Euro to fall anytime soon - i.e. buying at the top of the gold price & Euro value. That means their exports aren't going to pick up any time soon - especially to the US, but elsewhere due to price as well.
Of all the leading nations, France, which last sold gold in 1968, has long been seen as the most reluctant seller of bullion. The confirmation by the French central bank fills a significant part of the Central Bank Gold Agreement, which was renewed at the end of September for another five-year term by 15 central banks which agreed to sell collectively up to 500 tonnes a year under the new accord. Germany plans to sell up to 600 tonnes in coming years and the Netherlands plans to dispose of 165 tonnes. Switzerland said it would sell 130 tonnes, reducing its bullion holdings from 2,600 tonnes in 1996 to about 1,300 tonnes. This leaves another 1,000 tonnes that has still to be confirmed for sale under the agreement. Italy is the only signatory with significant gold reserves that has yet to confirm any sale plans. The Bank of France's gold holdings account for more than half of its reserves, compared with a eurozone average of about 40 per cent, according to the World Gold Council. Yesterday gold reached $447.35 a troy ounce, its highest level since July 1988.
Posted by: rkb || 11/21/2004 9:57:28 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Step right up Suckers! It's Gold the real deal! You can convert it anywhere! Why it's as good as gold! Buy now and making big money during the coming era of low gravity.
Posted by: Shipman || 11/21/2004 10:40 Comments || Top||

#2  Shhhh ... don't scare them off LOL !!
Posted by: rkb || 11/21/2004 11:08 Comments || Top||

#3  "accumulated during the Napoleonic era"= stolen.
Posted by: Grunter || 11/21/2004 12:39 Comments || Top||

#4  The Arabs will buy the stuff up. Go ahead you can't eat it. Some other problems the stuff is heavy and people want to steal it.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 11/21/2004 13:16 Comments || Top||

#5  Awesome, i've just gotta get a nepoleonic dookie chain!
Posted by: Elmaling Elminelet3876 || 11/21/2004 13:41 Comments || Top||

#6  Yesterday gold reached ... its highest level since July 1988 The Euro price peaked 3 years ago and is in a downtrend.
Posted by: phil_b || 11/21/2004 15:40 Comments || Top||

#7  Yesterday gold reached ... its highest level since July 1988 The Euro price peaked 3 years ago and is in a downtrend.
Posted by: phil_b || 11/21/2004 15:40 Comments || Top||

#8  "accumulated during the Napoleonic era"= stolen.

And now that most of the Nazis and their victims are dead ... Switzerland said it would sell 130 tonnes, reducing its bullion holdings from 2,600 tonnes in 1996 to about 1,300 tonnes.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/21/2004 20:37 Comments || Top||


Ukrainians Choose New President in Landmark Vote
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Home Front: Politix
Black Clergy Denounces 'Racial Motivated Attacks' on Condoleezza Rice
The Faith Based Leadership Council, a group of over 200 black clergy and members of the faith-based community, said cartoonists Jeff Danzinger, Pat Oliphant, Garry Trudeau, the Post and the Times have used racial stereotypes "to conduct their personal character assassination of" Rice's integrity because she chose to serve the Bush administration.

"These cartoonists believe that the liberal views of the Washington Post and New York Times somehow provides cover for them to engage in racist attacks upon Dr. Rice and other minority in the Bush Administration," said Oliver N.E. Kellman, Jr., executive director of the FBLC, in a statement.

"Mr. Danzinger's, Mr. Oliphant's and Mr. Trudeau's racist depictions of Dr. Rice are of the most twisted Ku Kluz Klan/Skinhead Mindset. I am astonished that the NAACP, Rainbow-Push and other traditional civil rights groups did not denounce this type of trash from the very first day it was reported," Kellman said in a statement.

"Instead, they are silent witnesses to this racially motivated character assassination because of Dr. Rice's politics," he added. "The FBIC believes in the advancement of all Americans, no matter their political affiliation, gender or ethnic background.

"Dr. Rice has been singled out for persecution by a handful of bigoted liberals who have characterized her as a steppin and fetchin sambo," said Kellman, adding that he believes "they feel threatened and disturbed by the fact that Dr. Rice will soon be the most powerful Black woman in the United States as Secretary of State."

The FBLC is calling on the cartoonists and both papers to publicly apologize to Rice. "White liberals in the media have come to feel that they can openly attack any Black conservative that chooses to serve the nation," the group said.

The group is also urging the Justice Department to conduct a full investigation into these incidents and whether the civil rights of Rice and outgoing Secretary of State Colin Powell were violated "by the promotion of racial bigotry towards persons of color serving their nation."
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 11/21/2004 8:00:19 PM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  'Bout goddam time they started speaking up.

Where have you been the past 4 years, guys?
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 11/21/2004 20:32 Comments || Top||

#2  news gets delivered late (if at all) to the Democratic plantation©. This is welcome attention to lefty elitist racism
Posted by: Frank G || 11/21/2004 20:45 Comments || Top||


WaPo lead Opinion Piece Gratuitously slams bloggers
Richard Morin has a few good things on his weekly column but apparently he feels bloggers are a threat (and there is an annoying registration to see the article).Surveying the Damage
Exit Polls Can't Predict Winners, So Don't Expect Them To

By Richard Morin
Sunday, November 21, 2004; Page B01

It will be a few more weeks before we know exactly what went wrong with the 2004 exit polls. But this much we know right now: The resulting furor was the best thing that could have happened to journalism, to polling and to the bloggers who made this year's Election Day such a cheap thrill.... A few more presidential elections like this one and the public will learn to do the right thing and simply ignore news of early exit poll data. Then perhaps people will start ignoring the bloggers, who proved once more that their spectacular lack of judgment is matched only by their abundant arrogance.

I've emailed him (morinr@washpost.com to let him know that, yes, Wonkette, DailyKos and Andrew Sullivan did spread the exit poll rumors but Polypundit and other knowledgeable pro Bush bloggers debunked the exit polls within minutes.

Posted by: mhw || 11/21/2004 10:40:29 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  And there will never be a need for more than 5 computers.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 11/21/2004 10:49 Comments || Top||

#2  Article: Then perhaps people will start ignoring the bloggers, who proved once more that their spectacular lack of judgment is matched only by their abundant arrogance.

No real difference from the liberal media, is there, where lack of judgment and arrogance is institutionalized? The difference is that conservative bloggers address topics the liberal media won't, in its quest to protect the liberal agenda.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 11/21/2004 10:51 Comments || Top||

#3  MSM: "Don't look! Don't look - over there! They're people you should ignore! Over there! Yes, them! Ignore them!"
Reader: "?"
Blogger: [Rubs hands, sits back in chair]
Posted by: Bulldog || 11/21/2004 11:15 Comments || Top||

#4  Then perhaps people will start ignoring the bloggers, who proved once more that their spectacular lack of judgment is matched only by their abundant arrogance.

If Dan Rather's complete refusal to acknowledge Burkett's TANG documents as forgeries isn't the textbook definition of 'lack of judgement' and / or 'abundant arrogance', it's hard to say what it should be.
Posted by: Raj || 11/21/2004 11:22 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Burma releases prominent political prisoner
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Africa: Subsaharan
France rejects Gbagbo Ivory Coast beheading charge
PARIS, Nov 21 (Reuters) - France vigorously rejected on Sunday charges by Ivory Coast's president and its leading Roman Catholic cleric that French troops had beheaded young protesters there, dismissing the statements as outrageous disinformation.

Defence Minister Michele Alliot-Marie urged President Laurent Gbagbo to stop stoking anti-French hatred in the country, where French troops are trying to keep the peace between the rebel north and the south he controls.

Gbagbo said in a French Internet forum on Saturday that he believed that the charge, first made by Cardinal Bernard Agre on Vatican Radio last week, was true even though he had not visited morgues as Agre had and seen proof for the accusation.

"The outrageousness of the terms President Gbagbo has used rob them of all credibility," Alliot-Marie said.

"These charges amount to disinformation similar to President Gbagbo's doubts about the reality of the French military victims in Bouake," she told France-Inter radio, referring to nine French soldiers killed in a rebel raid on Nov. 6.

Asked about the charge that French soldiers had beheaded young Ivorians during protests in the capital, Gbagbo told the Internet forum run by the magazine Le Nouvel Observateur:

"This testimony by the prelate was reported by all the people who were present at the siege of the Hotel Ivoire by the French army and all those who were in the hospitals.

"I wasn't in the hospitals but everyone who went there said it. We can assume this testimony repeated by several people is true."

Agre told the French service of Vatican Radio on Nov. 11: "I've just come back from the hospitals, it's unbearable, these young girls decapitated by the French army, these people even lying on the floor."

Alliot-Marie accused Ivory Coast's leaders of manipulating crowds of protesters in an extremely dangerous way.

"The racist and xenophobe statements made about us by Ivory Coast leaders are intolerable," she said.

French troops had done a remarkable job in Ivory Coast, she said, to keep a ceasefire between the two rival sides in the fighting that has torn apart the world's largest cocoa producing country.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 11/21/2004 5:24:34 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:


Afghanistan/South Asia
Child jockeys still being smuggled to UAE
Children continue to be trafficked from Pakistan to be used as camel-jockeys in the UAE. The use of children as jockeys in camel racing is highly dangerous and can result in serious injury and even death, disclosed the Center for Research and Social Development (CRSD) on the occasion of International Children's Day. The CRSD recently completed a comprehensive research study on child trafficking entitled "Child trafficking for camel races: a perspective from Pakistan" which highlights this heinous crime in the name of sports. The CRSD has urged the governments of Pakistan and the UAE to take action to stop the inhuman practice. The barbaric practice of using little children as jockeys in camel races has been going on as usual, even after announcing internationally ban on the use of children below the age of 15 years. Even the enforcement of the human trafficking ordinance in Pakistan has made no major change in the trend of child trafficking.
Posted by: Fred || 11/21/2004 7:53:40 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:


Madras High Court rejects Shankaracharya's bail plea
The Madras High Court on Saturday dismissed the bail application filed by the Kanchi seer, Jayendra Saraswathi, who was taken into custody on Nov 11 in connection with the murder of a Kancheepuram temple official on September 3 last.
Wonder why he didn't see that coming?
Giving his order on the bail application this evening, Justice R Balasubramaniam said "I am dismissing the bail application at this stage." In his order, Justice Balasubramaniam said the petitioner had not made out any case for releasing him on bail. He said the connected miscellaneous petitions filed by various interveners were also being dismissed without going to the question as to whether they were entitled to be heard or not. Referring to the arguments placed by senior counsel, Tulsi, the judge said the offence was of a serious nature and that according to the prosecution, much more remained to be done in the investigation after the arrest of the seer.
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India debates manned space flight as its lunar mission readies
India's space agency is ready to send a man to space within seven years if the government gives the nod, while preparations have already begun for the launch of an unmanned lunar mission, a top official said. Madhavan Nair, chairman of the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO), the country's premier space agency, said the scientific community in the country had already started a debate on the manned mission. "The question of a manned mission is glaring before us now," Nair told AFP ahead of a lunar conference which kicks off in the northern Indian city of Udaipur on Monday. "The thought process has begun and various agencies have come up with ideas. Whether it is now or later is a question to be considered," Nair said. "We have not taken it up to the government level yet. But if we are asked to ... and are given adequate funding, we can achieve it in six to seven years from today," he said.

India sent its first astronaut, Rakesh Sharma, aboard Soviet spacecraft Salyut 7 in April 1984 while another astronaut, Kalpana Chawla, was killed along with six others in the Columbia shuttle disaster in February last year. Nair said "a lot of debate" had to take place in India before a final decision is taken on a manned space flight. "The benefits and the costs involved have to be examined. Various facilities and equipment such as a space capsule for human habitation, shielding, control and safety features have to be built—a large amount of funding is required," he said. India's unmanned lunar flight, Chandrayaan (Moon Journey), slated to launch by the end of 2007 or early 2008, was on schedule, Nair said. "The design work for Chandrayaan has been completed and we are in the phase of implementing various types of prototypes," he said. "Building instruments and calibrating them to match exact conditions on the moon is a big challenge. "We do not expect any difficulty with respect to the spacecraft and launch vehicle. The acquisition of land for deep space exploration has also been completed. Things are progressing well for the targetted launch latest by early 2008," he said.

The mission, to place a 525 kilogram orbiter using an indigenously-built polar satellite launch vehicle, is slated to cost the agency 83 million dollars. The satellite will go around the polar orbit about 100 kilometers above the moon. Critics have slammed the mission saying it is outdated and the organisation was wasting its money from a limited budget of 25 billion rupees (543 million dollars) allotted by the government. They say cash-strapped India should not undertake the mission but instead restrict its space programmes to satellite launches and use its funds for social welfare.
We get the same wanker argument in the US.
But ISRO chief Nair defended the mission and said it would spur the Indian scientific community and probe the physical characteristics of the lunar surface in greater depth than previous missions by other nations. "It will explore its minerals, map the terrain and find out whether water and helium deposits exist. It will also give us a deeper understanding about the planet Earth itself or its origins," he said. "Earlier missions did not come out with a full understanding of the moon and that is the reason scientists are still interested. "We do not want to take a beaten track," Nair said. "We have to find our own answers and see whether it is a cost-effective solution and it is going to bring benefits." The ISRO is considering proposals from the US, Europe and France to carry auxiliary payload on the satellite, Nair said. "There are about half-a-dozen proposals which are in their final stages," he said.
I like this, the more the Indians pursue science and tech, the more they're going to be like us on the essentials.
Posted by: Steve White || 11/21/2004 12:11:19 AM || Comments || Link || [10 views] Top|| File under:

#1  More, please, and faster.

The more shots we take at this, the better.
Posted by: Dishman || 11/21/2004 4:08 Comments || Top||

#2  Mankind's oldest problem, literally, continues to become more and more crucial - as the speed of change accelerates.

"They say cash-strapped India should not undertake the mission but instead restrict its space programmes to satellite launches and use its funds for social welfare."

"We get the same wanker argument in the US."

Indeed. This is the crowd who produce nothing, zip, nada, zilch, yet scream for others to provide. They'll be happy to "manage" the social programs, of course...

When boiled down, this is the bunch who would demand and consume next spring's seed corn in some winter festival of stupidity.

Let's see what India's made of - and where it can go. The test, the real test of a society to change, grow, and prosper, is its ability to balance the effect of its cultural baggage and customs, natural inertial brakes, against the need to adapt to changing circustances, grasp fleeting opportunities, and risk the pathfinder role.
Posted by: .com || 11/21/2004 4:47 Comments || Top||

#3  The time I spent in India was a great experience . This is a country that has come along way since our Imperial rule ended ( Im British , as most of u have gathered) . They are at the forefront of software writing , their industry is good , the people are keen , the population is rising and competing with China on size/growth rate . It is a very diverse culture that has , over time , learnt to live with itself , apart from Muslims (who like to piss on everyone) .
All in all , I look to India as the main player in that region which the west should look to . They want , what we want basically .
Posted by: MacNails || 11/21/2004 5:03 Comments || Top||

#4  They'll be happy to "manage" the social programs, of course...

yeah...Monday thru Thurs from 9-3 with two hour lunches and time off for 3 month holidays, pregnancy leave, ailing family member leave, etc. Oh...and you can't fire them - ever.
Posted by: 2b || 11/21/2004 7:57 Comments || Top||

#5  Various facilities and equipment such as a space capsule for human habitation, shielding, control and safety features have to be built

Yes, these are all important for the tricky live thru it part of the problem.
Posted by: Shipman || 11/21/2004 10:19 Comments || Top||

#6  details, details.
Posted by: Frank G || 11/21/2004 10:26 Comments || Top||

#7  This was discussed pretty extensively in a string at the now-moribund Nuclear Space message board:
India plans manned moon mission before 2015
This includes my analysis of how this can be done in short term, and for a modest budget, if existing hardware were combined with a relatively simple NERVA-type (nuclear-thermal) upper stage, something India is quite capable of building.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 11/21/2004 16:23 Comments || Top||

#8  Good Heavens! Some one is willing to retrive a lost lover with powerfull Spells!
Posted by: Shipman || 11/21/2004 17:08 Comments || Top||

#9  Perhaps a a manned orbit by 2008, I think that's pushing it. Boosters don't exsist yet.
Posted by: Shipman || 11/21/2004 17:10 Comments || Top||

#10  Well, it all may be a moot point. Here is a story:

A lady I know has been having a reccurent dream since she was a kid of 9 years old. The deram is the same, in its character. She walks on a beach in White Rock, BC. She has always a flash of a map of the area, something like a bird-perspective view. When she was young, the area has been mostly empty. Then she dreams of something (a building, a park or a structure) being built. Then in the span of a year or two, it really goes up.

The dream ends by her walking on a beach and the waters suddenly recede by a mile. She does the bird-eye view once more and ses all the structures in place at the time. Then she is on a top of Mount Seymour and looks down on the Fraser Valley and sees a tidal wave approaching, like a big wall, it then roars almost beneath her. Later, there is water all over the valley, reaching to Hope (150km east from Vancouver). Only tops of some highest buildings are visible and many bodies litter the surface.

There are only two structures that are not yet in place. One is being built at the moment, the other one may go up in the middle of 2006. She says she feels that the time frame is really near. She also notes that somehow she knows Japan will be mostly gone, just scattered tiny islands here and there.

She kept her dream logs and I've seen one writen by a child's hand from early 60's, on aged paper. All I can say is that she is not making anything up.

I am not sure what kind of event may cause effects she describes. An impact of some large asteoid body, or a cataclysmic eruption somewhere in Pacific region, maybe. She does not know herself, she does not interpret, just records it.

Logically, if the Fraser Valley would be flooded by a cover of, approximately, 100-150m, it is reaonable to assume that other places would be affected in a similar fashion as well, perhaps most of them located in the Pacific Rim, but to a lesser degree in more remote places from the locus of the disturbance. All lowlands may take a hit, everywhere. India is rather close and most populated in just these types of locations. But even areas that are relatively remote may not be safe--a large chunk of Netherlands is below see water level.

I don't want to make an impression that I bought the story hook, line and sinker. Although I know of many instances when some predictions were made--it was always a short time frame before the event--this one stands out by its remoteness for the event time frame, but also by the body of details that are vry specific, as opposed to vague gut feeling, 'blackness' and 'inability to breathe' and other such descriptives.

I for myself decided not to take chances and move into mainland in the next year or so.

It is up to you what you do with this story. I just had to tell it. Just in case...
Posted by: Uthar Pendragon || 11/21/2004 19:22 Comments || Top||

#11  Uthar, how's Merlin?
Posted by: Frank G || 11/21/2004 19:32 Comments || Top||

#12  Frank, Merlin? Is that the dude with a funny hat, that pulled rabits out of it?

That depends how you regard time. Some physicists claim time is not. In that case there is no difference between events in the past, present and future, it is only our focus that chains them in the order that suits best to our makeup. In other words, he may be in a state that would be very close to the Schroedinger's Cat.
Posted by: Uthar Pendragon || 11/21/2004 19:44 Comments || Top||



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