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Arabia
Soddy Fingerprints Iranian Hajj Pilgrims. Iran Unhappy
Posted by: Frank G || 08/29/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Iran

#1  According to the international rules and regulations, fingerprinting and photographing passengers should only be done about terrorists and criminals, and the maltreatment by the Saudi police of the two Iranian caravans Monday night is not bearing a good message for the two countries' relations.

Too rich. Saudi Arabia employs blatant profiling without a peep from the MSM or HRW. Yet traitorous bastards like Norm Mineta pass laws against it in America and still get an airport named after him. Right about now, shouldn't there be a whole bunch of people at State, TSA and the CIA asking themselves: "What do the Saudis know that we don't know?"
Posted by: Zenster || 08/29/2007 5:43 Comments || Top||

#2  How 'bout some ricin on them there fingerprint ink pads?
Posted by: M. Murcek || 08/29/2007 10:54 Comments || Top||

#3  I have absolutely no hard, physical proof, but I'd be willing to bet my pension that there are people at State, and probably at TSA and CIA, that get cash from somewhere in Soddy aRabida on a regular basis. They don't work for us, although they've taken an oath that says they do. The Soddy and Iran "leadership" both need to be crushed into sharp, glassy, radioactive cinders.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 08/29/2007 15:06 Comments || Top||

#4  The Soddy and Iran "leadership" both need to be crushed into sharp, glassy, radioactive cinders.

If there were some way to strictly limit the death toll to only leadership in the House of Saud and Iran then I say go ahead and use nuclear weapons, poison gas, biological agents or pit bulls with AIDS for that matter. Just kill them. These perfidous bastards long ago forfeited any right to life or even a painless death.
Posted by: Zenster || 08/29/2007 16:03 Comments || Top||

#5  As ye sow...
Posted by: M. Murcek || 08/29/2007 16:35 Comments || Top||

#6  Zenster, given the general attitude toward the value of non-Muslim life evinced by most Muslims, I would be willing to accept substantial collateral damage. Matter of fact, I wouldn't be upset if both countries were completely depopulated.
Posted by: RWV || 08/29/2007 21:16 Comments || Top||

#7  Fear not, RWV. With each passing day and its new Muslim atrocities, Islam brings me ever-closer in alignment with your thinking. Saudi Arabia and Iran are the two great hives of terrorism. Their destruction is a prerequisite for any substantial progress in the GWoT. How badly each of these nations must suffer is inversely proportional to their population's willingness to assist with regime change. To date, it appears as though a whole lotta sufferin' will be required.
Posted by: Zenster || 08/29/2007 21:26 Comments || Top||


Saudis ban al-Hayat after al-Qaida accusations
Saudi Arabia's government has banned the influential Arab newspaper Al Hayat from distribution in the kingdom, just days after it published an article that a Saudi man had served as a key figure for an al-Qaida front group in Iraq, journalists and diplomats said Tuesday.
Posted by: Fred || 08/29/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under: al-Qaeda

#1  Truth hurts!!!!
Posted by: Paul || 08/29/2007 8:46 Comments || Top||


Fifth Column
Iran's Ahmadinejad says OK for Stone to film him
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 08/29/2007 12:11 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Iran

#1  Ollie's one regret is probably he has so many chances to trash America...and so little time.
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/29/2007 12:25 Comments || Top||

#2  Nice muscles on that Uncle Sam. What did he do to get hamstrings and quadriceps like that, in the days before leg presses?
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/29/2007 12:53 Comments || Top||

#3  Bet Michael More is jealous.
Posted by: Cluck Lumumba9925 || 08/29/2007 14:13 Comments || Top||

#4  Wow, our top CIA deep cover assassin close enough to take out Ahmadinejad! It will be a blood bath.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 08/29/2007 15:07 Comments || Top||

#5  #2 Nice muscles on that Uncle Sam. What did he do to get hamstrings and quadriceps like that, in the days before leg presses?
Posted by: trailing wife 2007-08-29 12:53


Honest hard work - the kind kids today don't want to do.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 08/29/2007 15:08 Comments || Top||

#6  If Stone does make this movie, will it be like "Alexander" with a blonde California surfer dude with too much eye liner playing the lead? Hey, maybe Owen Wilson will be out of rehab by then!
Posted by: SteveS || 08/29/2007 17:14 Comments || Top||

#7  Nice muscles on that Uncle Sam. What did he do to get hamstrings and quadriceps like that, in the days before leg presses?

Got 'em from teaching Chuck Norris to fight.
Posted by: Thomas Woof || 08/29/2007 17:19 Comments || Top||

#8  No surprise here - God, Madonna Fans and Guam Taotamonas, etc knew about it back in the 1960's and '70s. Ancestral spirits/ghosts, including Spirits/Ghosts for those whom are STILL ALIVE AT PRESENT, know the Truth-Reasons in all things even iff few or no one want to admit to the Truth. AFFECTS SOCIETY, NATIONS, GUMMINTS, LIFE/DESTINY and EXISTENCE, ETC. "God/Devil/
Religion is Fake or Doesn't Exist" Secularists-Atheists and alike had better think again, think harder iff they know whats good for them. ALL TOGETHER NOW > D *** NGED CARS PLUS COMMERCIALS STRUCK AGAIN! Oliver Stone was NOT "Oliver Stone" back then, neither was Moud "Moud", etal.!
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/29/2007 21:14 Comments || Top||

#9  Felling hardwood trees 50+ Ft in height, trimming and bucking a fallen tree to workable chunks, and then; splitting, toting and stacking firewood in piles to dry for 2 years. Repeat many times from sun-up to dusk between October and January. If nothing else, that kind of work will articulate those veins and lean up that sinew.
Posted by: Asymmetrical T || 08/29/2007 21:45 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Pres. Bush Addresses the Convention of the American Legion
Here's the text of the President's speech, via whitehouse.gov.
Posted by: Steve White || 08/29/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Why detach beheadings from Islam, when it is sanctioned in the unholy koran? Why ignore jihad fatwahs, when these motivate Sunni and Shiite terrorists in Iraq? Why the focus on al-Qaeda in Iraq, when whole neighborhoods celebrate over burning US vehicles? Why deny inherent Muslim subversion at home, and aggression abroad?
Posted by: McZoid || 08/29/2007 4:56 Comments || Top||

#2  Because we aren't ready to go to war with the entire 1.1 billion of the Muslim ummah yet?
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/29/2007 7:08 Comments || Top||

#3  At least Bush is consistent in all his speeches.

If this was Hill or Obama or Edwards they would have a speech written to appeal to the audience and then backtrack when they spoke to Kos or Code Pink.
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 08/29/2007 10:35 Comments || Top||

#4  C2CAM Radio Show > PAUL WILLIAMS > William's sources - AQ has up to three nuke devices already inside USA and being primed for detonation ala Amer Hiroshima. AQ working to get and emplace as many such Nuke or "Dirty WMD" devices into the USA as possible, ostensibly for simul or cluster-style detonation for mass casualties.

*OTOH, RUMORMILLNEWS > EARTH AXIS HAS TILTED - Govt in denial = keeping news from Nation.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/29/2007 22:09 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Pakistan president to quit as army chief
Ever get that feeling, in watching a horse race, that your horse is beginning to slip back in the pack?
PAKISTAN'S weakened President Pervez Musharraf has agreed to resign as army chief in a power-sharing deal with exiled former prime minister Benazir Bhutto.

General Musharraf had previously insisted he would remain army chief while standing for re-election, but a deepening political crisis appears to have forced the key ally in the US-led war on terror to compromise.

After months of secretive political horse-trading, Mrs Bhutto - who has consistently said she would not strike a deal with General Musharraf unless he stepped down as army chief - said this week that the issue of the President being in military uniform had been resolved. "The uniform issue is key and there has been a lot of movement on it in the recent round of talks," she said, referring to negotiations in London, where she has been based.

A few days ago the Supreme Court ruled that another former prime minister, Nawaz Sharif, whom General Musharraf ousted in a coup in 1999, was allowed to return from exile.
I think that's the moment historians will look back at and say Perv lost it. And the harbinger was Perv's inability to oust the Chief Justice and keep him out.
In an interview with the Financial Times, Mr Sharif said he planned to return to Pakistan within a fortnight to lead a campaign to oust General Musharraf.

Pakistan's leading English-language newspaper, Dawn, said sources close to the President had confirmed he had offered to retire from the army, the main source of his authority, before being re-elected as a civilian president next month and general elections early next year.

Railways Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed, who held talks with General Musharraf on Monday, said: "The President has made up his mind on his uniform. He'll make an announcement at an appropriate time."

Mrs Bhutto said that in this week's talks General Musharraf placed a new issue on the negotiating table by seeking her support over his eligibility to be re-elected. General Musharraf, faced by an increasingly bold Supreme Court, has asked Mrs Bhutto to support a constitutional amendment allowing him to be re-elected.

Mrs Bhutto said the Government would have to make "an upfront gesture of reciprocity, a clear indication of political support for the Pakistan People's Party".

Mrs Bhutto, who served twice as prime minister but whose tenure ended amid allegations of corruption and will again, said her party wanted to see signs that General Musharraf's ruling party, Pakistan Muslim League-Q, was no longer calling the shots.

Mrs Bhutto wanted immunity from prosecution, the lifting of a ban on a prime minister serving a third term and the presidential power to dismiss governments to be curbed. "We are close to an agreement but we are still not there," she said, adding that the deadline for any deal was the end of the month.

Mr Sharif's pledge to return to Pakistan presents an immediate challenge to both General Musharraf and Mrs Bhutto, whose dealings with a military dictator have tarnished her party.

Mr Sharif told The Daily Telegraph that General Musharraf's offer to step down as army chief was too little, too late. "Musharraf does not qualify to be a presidential candidate, whether in or out of uniform," he said in London. "He has lost credibility and the people of Pakistan want him out."

Behind the scenes, the United States and Britain are trying to forge an alliance between the military ruler and Mrs Bhutto.
Posted by: tipper || 08/29/2007 10:51 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  potentially huge.

The islamists inside the paki army wont like it much.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 08/29/2007 13:19 Comments || Top||

#2  The previous time I went to get a haircut (for $6 at a sole propriator, and almost totally black patronate, shop on 8th St SE in Wash DC) the barber (who may have mistakenly thought I was important since I was white) asked me a bunch of questions about Pakistan, including why Musharraf should be allowed to be both Prez and Army Chief.

I'm due for a haircut again. However, I'm going to need to go through my briefing book first.
Posted by: mhw || 08/29/2007 16:46 Comments || Top||

#3  I love it, grass roots info sharing at it's very best, man to man.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 08/29/2007 18:34 Comments || Top||

#4  Perv wasn't ruthless enough to
a) purge the ISI Islamists
b) purge the Army Islamists
c) purge the poltical party Islamists
d) purge the corrupt politicians

I guess he felt he couldn't run the country by himself
Posted by: Frank G || 08/29/2007 20:59 Comments || Top||


Sleeper cells 'exist in Indian city Hyderabad'
(AKI/Asian Age) - Terrorist sleeper cells exist in the southern Indian city of Hyderabad- where twin blasts last Saturday killed at least 42 people and wounded more than 60 - the city's police commissioner, Balwinder Singh has said. Singh admitted on Monday that police have information about the presence in Hyderabad of sleeper cells - made up of trained terror agents or their sympathisers. The cells are activated when the need arises and return to their "sleeper" state when the operation ends. "Sleeper cells are present in every major city including Hyderabad. The police can take action if they commit any illegal activity. Until then it is difficult to identify them," Singh stated.

Hyderabad police meanwhile suspect that the seizure of some 573,790 dollars (23.6 million Indian rupees) in fake currency on Saturday night led to the explosions later that day at an open-air auditorium and a restaurant in the city. Confessions made by those arrested in the racket have given rise to theories that terrorists might have triggered the blasts to derail investigation of the racket.

The authorities in Andhra Pradesh state, of which Hyderabad is the capital, say that groups operating in Pakistan and Bangladesh were behind last Saturday's blasts in the city. Police commissioner Singh said, "We cannot rule out the possibility of a reaction to the seizure of such a large amount of fake currency."

Prime suspect Alkaz Obaid Khamis Ali of the United Arab Emirates has reportedly stated that the fake currency is exchanged for genuine notes, 65 percent of the money would be sent to Pakistan and the UAE through 'hawala' channels. "It is an established fact that terrorist organisations are transacting money through hawala," said a senior police officer.

Indian police believe that Pakistan’s ISI intelligence service was funding the operation. "The ISI sponsored fake currency originated from Pakistan and reached India via the UAE in sea cargo," said Singh.

The police arrested two persons from the southwest Indian state of Kerala, Mohammed Ali, and Hamza, in connection with the racket. A police team headed by task force inspector Limba Reddy brought them to the city on Monday. Mohammed Ali reportedly admitted before the police that they were working with Alkaz Obaid Khamis Ali for the commission, according to sources.
Posted by: Fred || 08/29/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under: ISI


Supreme Court orders school on Jamia Hafsa site
The Supreme Court (SC) on Tuesday told the government to build an educational institution on the site of the demolished Jamia Hafsa, and questioned as to why the government had tolerated a madrassa built on encroached land for years.

A four-member bench of the SC comprising Justice Javed Iqbal, Justice Fakir Muhammad Khokhar, Justice Mian Shakirullah Jan and Justice M Javed Buttar heard the suo motu case of the Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa operation.

Interior Secretary Syed Kamal, Islamabad Deputy Commissioner Chaudhry Muhammad Ali, and the Interior Ministry’s National Crisis Management Cell Director General Brigadier (r) Javed Iqbal Cheema appeared in court. “Why did the Capital Development Authority (CDA) turn a blind eye [to the madrassa] despite having a huge army of employees?” asked Justice Javed Iqbal in response to the arguments of respondents, who contended that a sizable portion of the madrassa was built on encroached state land.

The court told the authorities to address the grievances of the families of those killed in the operation. The Interior Ministry was also directed to speed up the process of DNA testing to identify the dead.

Kamal told the court that all those arrested during the Lal Masjid operation had been released except for head cleric Maulana Abdul Aziz and his daughter Tayyaba Dua. He also told the court that Dua would be released as well. He said 42 bodies had so far been identified by DNA testing and 20 remained.
Posted by: Fred || 08/29/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  so, they differntiated between an Educational Institution© and a Madrassah™? Good for them!
Posted by: Frank G || 08/29/2007 21:11 Comments || Top||


Khyber Agency seizes chemicals, arrests Afghan
The Khyber Agency political authorities on Tuesday seized six cans of Sulfuric acid along with other chemicals used in the production of heroin, and arrested one Sher Khan – an Afghan national. According to unofficial reports, the political authorities had also arrested a Nepalese national at Prang Sam checkpost, but it was not clear whether the he was coming from Peshawar side or from Afghanistan.
Posted by: Fred || 08/29/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under: Taliban


No breakthrough in Bajaur peace talks
A tribal jirga failed to achieve a breakthrough in negotiations between local Taliban and Bajaur Agency political authorities as both sides refused to compromise, a tribal elder said on Tuesday.

The 130-member grand jirga, led by Malik Abdul Aziz, presented its report to the political administration on Tuesday after holding talks with local militants. Local elders, ulema and the political administration officials participated in the jirga. Malik Aziz told the political administration that the local Taliban had denied their involvement in recent bombings and attacks on government property and that they said they were honouring the peace agreement. The jirga head told the administration that local Taliban said the government should provide proof of their violating the peace accord. They also demanded the government reduce the number of Levies and Scouts checkposts in the agency, Malik Aziz said.
Posted by: Fred || 08/29/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under: Taliban

#1  Damn. I had such high hopes...
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/29/2007 9:18 Comments || Top||


ISI still supports Qaeda, Taliban, says Benazir
Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) Chairwoman Benazir Bhutto has charged that elements of the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) “continue the alliance with both the Taliban and Al Qaeda to this very day” on the premise that Pakistan’s security requires “strategic depth” in the shape of a friendly or pliant Afghanistan.

In an interview with Nayan Chanda of YaleGlobal, a publication of the Yale Centre for the Study of Globalisation, Bhutto said that the ISI was continuing to adhere to the old arrangement, “even if it means supporting fanatics”. She said it was not a premise she or her party shared. “We believe it is essential for Pakistan to support democracy in Afghanistan. We want an end to that policy of strategic depth. Afghanistan has traditionally been viewed either as a buffer state or as a forward policy state where there is strategic depth ... I think for us it is much better to have an Afghanistan that is peaceful, that allows us to trade with it, that has good relations with all its neighbours,” she added.

Asked about the US criticism that President Musharraf was not doing enough to capture the Al Qaeda suspects hiding in Pakistan and if it was fair criticism, she replied, “As a Pakistani, it certainly hurts me very much when I see that inevitably the trail of terrorists leads back to my country ... We don’t want to make our country hospitable to such elements. My party, the PPP, severely criticised the peace agreement that was signed in 2006 with the Taliban elements in the tribal regions of Pakistan. We feel that our tribal areas have been ceded to the foreign elements, to Afghan Taliban and Arab and Chechen militants. And now those groups actually administer parts of our territory, holding our people hostage. They dispense their own form of justice. They teach little 12-year-old boys to behead those they accuse of being spies.”

Bhutto said the Musharraf government had verbally expressed sentiment for the right cause of eliminating terrorism and extremism in Pakistan, but unfortunately it had not been able to assert the rule of law in the country.

A government under her control, she promised, would move swiftly to assert law and order in the tribal areas of Pakistan, hunt down the Al Qaeda leaders who were trying to take advantage of the lack of law and order there, stop the drug trade, which was actually funding and fuelling terrorism, and reform the political madrassas that were actually militant headquarters using women and children as human shields.

Asked about the US incursion threats to Pakistan, Bhutto replied, “Well, I can understand why they say that, because they feel that Islamabad has failed to stop the terrorists and that is why they would like to move in. But I will really urge against that. I believe that the violation of Pakistan’s sovereignty through unauthorised military action will have very adverse consequences. When under attack, all Pakistanis will forget their differences and will unite. So any unauthorised action would pit NATO against all the people of Pakistan, and I do not think that is advisable. But I think what is advisable is to have a close working relationship. Certainly, when the PPP is elected to power, we intend to restore law and order in our tribal areas and prevent the militants from attacking NATO.”
Posted by: Fred || 08/29/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under: ISI

#1  The Bhuttos may be corrupt, but they aren't blind and stupid.
Posted by: Glenmore || 08/29/2007 7:29 Comments || Top||

#2  Hokay! Lets see what happens when Benazir becomes PM - will ISI come hat in hand or will she be poisoned at some dinner party?
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 08/29/2007 10:36 Comments || Top||


MMA holds resignation option on Musharraf's re-election: Mir
The Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA) central leadership has not decided about its members resigning from the National Assembly on the coming presidential election, MMA vice president Prof Sajjad Mir said on Tuesday. He said opposition leader Maulana Fazlur Rehman had assured the MMA central leadership that he would ‘not give a safe passage’ to President Pervez Musharraf.

He told a delegation of the Markazi Jamiat Ahle Hadith of which Mir is the chief senator that Fazl’s recent meetings with the government representatives did not mean that he would give safe passage to Musharraf for his re-election. He said the MMA still had the option of resigning. He said the MMA did not have any internal differences and would not disintegrate. Mir said the MMA would not make electoral adjustments with the Pakistan Muslim League (PML) and the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) in the coming elections. Instead, it would prefer adjustments with component parties of the All Parties Democratic Movement (APDM), he added.

The MMA had allied with the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) in the previous general elections and it would again ally with PML-N in the coming elections, he added. He said the presidential election to re-elect Musharraf for the second term would not be possible and Musharraf would have to quit the government. He said ruling party members, except for Chaudhrys, had developed ‘difference’ with Musharraf and would ‘not support’ him in his re-election bid.
Posted by: Fred || 08/29/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Sajjad Mir, Lord of the Gnomes
Posted by: Steve || 08/29/2007 7:28 Comments || Top||

#2  Damn! It's Beldar Conehead's grandfather!
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/29/2007 9:19 Comments || Top||

#3  I can get the Chia green enough... :<
Posted by: Thomas Woof || 08/29/2007 17:33 Comments || Top||


International-UN-NGOs
'Durban II' is being discredited, Pakistan warns
Pakistan accused UN watchdog groups on Monday of launching a "smear campaign" to discredit the upcoming 2009 UN anti-racism conference. The vitriolic attacks against Jews and Israel that dominated the last such conference held in Durban, South Africa, in 2001, had caused UN watchdog groups as well as officials from Israel and the US to express early concern about the 2009 follow up meeting, dubbed "Durban II." The watchdog groups have warned that the seeds of a repeat performance have already been sown.

But Pakistan's ambassador to the UN in Geneva, Masood Khan, dismissed those fears as he addressed the opening session Monday of the week long pre-planning meeting held in Geneva. "How to deal with the smear campaign against the Durban Review Conference," designed to discredit the past and future work on these issues is one of the challenges facing this week's meeting, Khan said. "The PrepCom leadership and members should stay the course and not be distracted by negative propaganda," Khan said as he spoke to a gathering in which all 192 UN member countries have voting rights. Israel and the US were present but have chosen to keep a low profile at this week's meeting out of fear that it would stray from its lofty goals of combating racism.

Hillel Neuer, executive-director of the Geneva-based UN Watch, told The Jerusalem Post he viewed Pakistan's statement as a direct attack. "They are trying to intimidate us from speaking truth to power." He added, "We will not be intimidated."
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Posted by: Fred || 08/29/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Simple question: Would, or would not, this world be a better place if the building housing this conference burnt to the ground with all occupants trapped inside of it? Sure, we might lose one or two good guys but a whole slew of global terrorism's diplomatic support staff would be snuffed in a properly painful way.

Hillel Neuer is the only one I would give a rip about and it's not even sure he's at the conference anyway. Whenever you see this guy's name, be sure to read anything he says. This chap has Islam's number dialed. Watch his four minute UN speech and tell me if this bloke hasn't got the UN's Human Rights Council nailed straight to the wall.
Posted by: Zenster || 08/29/2007 6:16 Comments || Top||

#2  When a senator gets a conference named after him, you know he's got clout. Guess it's from his triumphs as a Nazi hunter.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 08/29/2007 7:26 Comments || Top||

#3  Ah, Durban: site of the UN's World Conference Against Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance.

Too bad it doesn't actually have a friggin' thing to do with racism, discrimination, xenophobia or intolerance; in reality it's a UN-sponsored hatefest in which all the fourth-rate third-world shitholes on the planet can blame their self-induced misery on Israel and America, and shake down guilt-ridden Western liberals for $$$$ in the name of Poor Helpless Oppressed Little Brown Peoples™.

Three days after the close of a previous World Conference Against Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance, Osama bin Laden's champions of those same Poor Helpless Oppressed Little Brown Peoples™ perpetrated the 9/11 attacks, leading me to dub them "Durban By Other Means".

Same goals as Islamic terrorism, different tactics.
Posted by: Dave D. || 08/29/2007 7:38 Comments || Top||

#4  Word, Dave. Another day, another UN wank-fest. *yawn*
Posted by: Spot || 08/29/2007 8:08 Comments || Top||

#5  Too right, Dave D. The only problem is that such wankfests garner sympathy, support and—worst of all—credibility for these two-bit Islamic tyrannies and tin pot dictators. As Neuer himself noted:

"Choosing Libya and Iran to fight racism is like choosing Jack the Ripper to fight sexual harassment." He added that it was a setback "for the human rights movement as a whole."

The man doesn't pull any punches.
Posted by: Zenster || 08/29/2007 12:50 Comments || Top||

#6  Will Louise Arbour be bringing her pompoms to this one?
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/29/2007 13:01 Comments || Top||


Iraq
General: MRAPs Becoming Media Target
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 08/29/2007 15:13 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  No, I dont question their patriotism. I no questions at all.

When these things get fielded, there is going to be a "surge" (heh, sorry) of efforts to get film of them burning on Al-jizz and possibly on CNN.

Here's to hoping the work out as well as the strykers did.
Posted by: N Guard || 08/29/2007 20:00 Comments || Top||

#2  This one did.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 08/29/2007 20:58 Comments || Top||


MSM - Hotel Room Journalism or Enemy Mouthpiece?
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 08/29/2007 13:32 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Add to this the fact that the Democrat party seems to be singlehandedly funded by a criminal named Hsu with a Playtex (no visible means of support) financial statement and you begin to wonder whether even Soros is rich enough to pay for what is going on. Guess China's really happy to be in the WTO.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 08/29/2007 14:45 Comments || Top||

#2  My money is on Enemy Mouthpiece. The hotel room journalism is just a side effect: why get all hot and dusty when you can write your agit-prop pieces from the comfort of the hotel bar.
Posted by: SteveS || 08/29/2007 16:53 Comments || Top||

#3  MSM - Hotel Room Journalism or Enemy Mouthpiece?

How about Enemy Journalism?
Posted by: Zenster || 08/29/2007 19:40 Comments || Top||

#4  "MSM - Hotel Room Journalism or AND Enemy Mouthpiece?"

There - fixed that for ya'.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 08/29/2007 22:46 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Olmert offers PA control of Ramallah, Nablus, Jenin
The teams of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas met in Jerusalem Tuesday, ahead of a private meeting between the two leaders. Israel Radio reported that during the extended talks the Israelis gave their Palestinian counterparts general offers on core issues. An unnamed official was quoted as saying that the points on which the sides reached some degree of accord would then be discussed in more detail in higher-level negotiations.

Vice Premier Haim Ramon is slated to head the Israeli negotiating team, and Olmert and Abbas are also set continue meeting in the next few weeks. Among the proposals made by the Israeli team was an offer to share control of the Temple Mount between the three major religions (Judaism, Islam and Christianity) and to cede control of the Arab neighborhoods of east Jerusalem to the PA. The policing of major West Bank towns Ramallah, Jenin and Nablus would also be given to the Palestinians.

The proposals were presented in a document obtained by Channel 10. Notably, the document makes no mention of the issue of Palestinian refugees. However, the Prime Minister's Office denied that there was any official document outlining the proposals.

During the discussions both sides agreed to work towards a joint security conference with representatives from Israel, Egypt, US and the PA to examine ways to stop weapons smuggling from Egypt. However, a proposal to dig a trench along the Philadelphi corridor was dismissed because of technical difficulties, Israel Radio reported.

Olmert and Abbas also discussed Abbas's request to release more Palestinian prisoners. Israeli government spokesman David Baker said Olmert told Abbas he would soon present a plan Israeli security officials are drawing up to permit greater freedom of movement within the West Bank, which is restricted by IDF roadblocks, Baker said.

Both sides also agreed to continue the meetings between Israeli and Palestinian ministers to discuss nature preservation, economy and culture. A joint Palestinian-Israeli economic council will be launched, apparently in October in Tel Aviv, in the presence of Olmert, Abbas and international Mideast envoy Tony Blair, Baker added. The prime minister emphasized that renewed relations between Hamas and Fatah would lead to halting of discussions.
Posted by: Fred || 08/29/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: Palestinian Authority

#1  I can't wait for Winnograd report to come out.
Posted by: gromgoru || 08/29/2007 10:59 Comments || Top||


Warty Nose reportedly gives Abbas offer to mend Hamas-Fatah relations
Hamas has given Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas a proposal on how to end the enmity between the group and Abbas's Fatah, Army Radio quoted an Al Quds report Tuesday morning.

Hamas and Fatah have been staunch foes since Hamas took over the Gaza Strip violently in June. Reportedly, the offer was given to Hamas Foreign Minister Mahmoud Zahar in Gaza, and he transferred it to Abbas. Abbas, slated to meet Prime Minister Ehud Olmert in Jerusalem on Tuesday, has yet to respond to the proposal. Abbas's position since June has been to eschew any dialogue with Hamas until the Islamist group apologizes for taking over Gaza and returns control of the Strip to the Palestinian Authority.
Posted by: Fred || 08/29/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


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Commies mock Arroyo's peace talks plan
(AKI) - The outlawed Communist Party of the Philippines (CPP) sneered at plans by President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo to start local peace talks with CPP leaders and commanders of the New People’s Army (NPA), the rebel party’s armed wing.

“No one in the entire revolutionary movement will entertain ploys about local peace talks,” CPP spokesperson Gregorio “Ka Roger” Rosal said on Monday. “The CPP-NPA, the NDFP and the entire revolutionary movement are open to resuming formal peace talks but only through the officially designated negotiating panel of the NDFP,” said Rosal.
Posted by: Fred || 08/29/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  We've been over this before, Gloria. Appeasement won't work. Talking won't work. Commies, muzzies, what have you...Now, killing them, that works.
Posted by: Abu Uluque6305 || 08/29/2007 17:24 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Iran Vows to Use Smart Bomb on Enemies
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 08/29/2007 15:12 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Najjar was more aggressive, saying the bomb "remarkably increases Iran's defense capabilities."

Assuming you are starting from zero, it would.
Posted by: gorb || 08/29/2007 16:47 Comments || Top||

#2  Since these are supposed to be dropped from F-4's and F-5's, and AWACS will probably pick them up immediately upon takeoff, and any one of the F-16, F-15, F-22, F-18's the AWACS will vector in on them can probably pick them off as soon as they come in range, the Iranians could have a 10000 bomb for all I care. All it does is make a bigger explosion when the missile hits.
Assuming, of course, they can actually get the F-4's and F-5's to fly at all, that is.
Posted by: Rambler || 08/29/2007 17:07 Comments || Top||

#3  Are they trying to say that an Iranian suicide boomer is smarter than an Arab one?
Posted by: gromgoru || 08/29/2007 18:05 Comments || Top||

#4  We dare ya.
Posted by: DarthVader || 08/29/2007 18:09 Comments || Top||

#5  The Iranians are whistling past the graveyard with this announcement : any aircraft that takes off from Iran is easily tracked by AWACs, Aegis, and the Hawkeyes. With AWACs, you are talking a 200+ mile peek into Iran from the other side of the Persian Gulf. F-15s, F/A-18s, and F-16s all carry AMRAAMs which have the range to splash the Iranians immediately after takeoff. Aegis with Standard Mark 3s has the range to cover the ENTIRE Persian Gulf coastline with 3 ships in place; notice that I did not even bother with the carrier battle groups in the area - no sense wasting the fuel when we can rely on ships in port at Bahrain, Dubai, or Qatar to reach out and smite the Persians.
Posted by: Shieldwolf || 08/29/2007 22:34 Comments || Top||

#6  "reach out and smite the Persians"

Great turn of phrase, SW!
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 08/29/2007 22:48 Comments || Top||


Iran ready to fill the vacuum in Iraq, Short Round sez
Iran is ready to fill the vacuum that will leave the United States in Iraq, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said.

“The political power of Washington is being destroyed rapidly and very soon we will be witnessing a great power vacuum in the region,” Ahmadinejad added.
In a news conference, Iranian President discarded the possibility of a US attack against Iran since US has much to worry about in Iraq and Afghanistan. Iran will know how to respond if the United States labels Iranian Revolutionary guards as a terrorist force, Ahmadinejad warned.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 08/29/2007 12:29 || Comments || Link || [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  But who will fill the power vacuum in Iran, after we take out the mullahs, nuke facilities, refineries and shipping ports?
Posted by: Rambler || 08/29/2007 12:36 Comments || Top||

#2  Allright! I would be happy to commit Ahmadinejad and his buddys to my Hoover upright dust compartment!
Posted by: OyVey1 || 08/29/2007 12:48 Comments || Top||

#3  Iran will know how to respond if the United States labels Iranian Revolutionary guards as a terrorist force, Ahmadinejad warned.

I assume they'd probably respond like... terrorists?
Keep yapping, midget.
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/29/2007 12:54 Comments || Top||

#4  The only vacuum that needs filling by Ahmadinejad and Iran's mullahs lies just outside of the International Space Station's airlock.
Posted by: Zenster || 08/29/2007 13:13 Comments || Top||

#5  Actually, I kinda can see myself enjoying a Soody-Iranian proxy war in post-American Iraq.
Posted by: gromgoru || 08/29/2007 18:07 Comments || Top||


Short Round sez : Nuclear case is closed, US can't attack Iran, nope, nope, nope.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 08/29/2007 12:02 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:


Soldiers win new respect in Lebanon
With almost 150 soldiers having died in the worst internal violence since the end of the 1975-90 civil war, the Lebanese Army is being widely hailed as a unifying force in a country mired in deep political turmoil. Despite the high casualty count for the overstretched and underequipped Army, the imminent triumph against the militants has lifted the morale of a force that since 1990 has been overshadowed in military affairs by the Shiite militant group Hezbollah. "The fighting has definitely increased the credibility of the Lebanese Army in the eyes of the public," says Timur Goksel, who lectures in Beirut on conflict resolution and is a former long-serving United Nations official in southern Lebanon.

New moves to promote the Army
That public sentiment is being backed by a carefully choreographed promotional campaign of television ads and billboards boosting the profile of the Army. In one television spot, a Lebanese soldier walks down a main street in Beirut as passersby stop and salute him. Banks are offering credit cards with a military camouflage design. Billboards show heroic pictures of soldiers in action and praise the sacrifices of the Army.

Last week, more than 60 women and children were evacuated from Nahr al-Bared, mostly families of the Fatah al-Islam militants, the last noncombatants to leave the war-ravaged camp, previously home to a mainly Palestinian population of 40,000. Their departure heralds a final offensive against the surviving militants who are thought to number under 100.

Weeks of intense artillery shelling has reduced most of the camp to rubble. Bullet and shell holes pockmark the skeletal remains of buildings. The floors of other houses lie pancaked on top of one another. Lebanese flags flutter from the ruins, planted by soldiers as they inched through the warren-like passageways of the camp, battling the militants. "They are good fighters; I'll give them that. Most of them have fought in Iraq," says Ahmad, a burly Special Forces soldier eating a falafel sandwich in a cafe on the edge of the camp. Ahmad said he had just returned to the front line after being treated for a gun shot wound in the thigh. "The snipers and the hand grenades are the biggest problem," he says. "You just can't see them."

Although morale clearly remains high among the soldiers, Army officers say they lack the appropriate weapons and equipment to tackle the militants, the last of whom are holed up in well-constructed bunkers and tunnels built during the 1970s to protect against Israeli air raids. Much of the Army's hardware is an eclectic mix of outdated Soviet and NATO weapons, unsuitable for urban combat in Nahr al-Bared.

Instead, the troops have been forced to improvise. Army engineers have jury-rigged cabins of soldered steel plates and sandbags onto civilian bulldozers to protect drivers from snipers and bombs as they clear rubble inside the camp.

Soldiers say they lack equipment
Recently, in an attempt to winkle out the militants from their bunkers, the Army has made use of 1,000-pound ( 450 KG) aerial bombs from the 1960s, when Lebanon maintained a small air force. Each bomb is slung beneath a Vietnam war-era "Huey" helicopter and flown over the camp, then dropped manually and unguided onto the bunkers. The bombing runs tend to occur before dawn when the darkness masks the helicopters from ground-fire. "This is the technology of World War I, but we have no choice," says a senior Army general who requested anonymity as he is not authorized to talk to the press.
Posted by: Fred || 08/29/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Good for the Leb army, Lebanon needs them. I've been accused of not taking the Leb army seriously, but this is a start - they've got nowhere to go but up. Whatever we can do to help build their capacity, let's do it. Hezbollah and Syria are waiting in the wings and I'd love to see the Lebs kick their sorry asses out.
Posted by: Spot || 08/29/2007 8:18 Comments || Top||


Lebanese government may cut off Hezbollah's illegal network
Prime Minister Fouad Siniora's government is considering severing the private Hizbullah phone network, that originally started out in south Lebanon, and ended up in Beirut and its suburbs. "We agreed to draw a plan of action for a peaceful resolution of this issue, but we are serious about resolving it because it is a dangerous matter," Information Minister Ghazi Aridi told reporters after a lengthy cabinet session on Monday.

Aridi said the government formed a committee to draft a report on recent information that Hizbullah had installed its own communication infrastructure south Lebanon. He said initial reports has shown that the Hizbullah networks "went beyond (the southern village of) Zawtar Sharqiyeh … to reach Beirut and the suburbs of Beirut which are outside the security areas of the leadership of the resistance."

Aridi said the government was "determined to protect the Resistance (Hizbullah) and the symbols of the resistance from the Israeli enemy but the information that we gathered do not follow this logic." He did not elaborate further. The daily An Nahar, however, citing cabinet sources, said Tuesday that a report prepared by a ministerial committee confirmed that Hizbullah had privately installed phone networks that have reached Dahiyeh, or the southern suburbs, as well as the Ring and Riad Solh districts in downtown Beirut. The sources said the cabinet instructed Lebanese security forces to perform a "specific task" under which "appropriate measures" would be taken to deal with Hizbullah's move. They said the cabinet was considering authorizing a "security and technical team" to sever the phone network connections.

Siniora was quoted by a source as responding to Hizbullah's act, which was considered a violation to Lebanon's sovereignty, by sarcastically saying: "All we need is (Hizbullah) to ask a musician to compose a new national anthem."
Posted by: Fred || 08/29/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under: Hezbollah

#1  Go all the way - sever hezbollah...
Posted by: M. Murcek || 08/29/2007 10:55 Comments || Top||


Religion comes first in Lebanon, even for orphans
Posted by: Fred || 08/29/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:


Short Round says his country now a 'nuclear Iran'
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad reiterated Tuesday that Teheran has achieved full proficiency in the nuclear fuel cycle and warned the West that dialogue and friendship - not threats - were the right way to deal with Iran.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad speaks with media during a press conference in Teheran, Iran. "Today, Iran is a nuclear Iran," Ahmadinejad told a press conference in Teheran. "That means, it fully possesses the whole nuclear fuel cycle." Ahmadinejad, however, said his country was committed to a "peaceful path" in pursuing its controversial nuclear program.

Ahmadinejad's comments followed an announcement Monday by the International Atomic Energy Agency which said that Teheran was offering some cooperation in the agency's probe of an alleged secret uranium processing project linked by US intelligence to a nuclear arms program.

The IAEA has said that Teheran also outlined its timetable for providing other sensitive information sought by the Vienna, Austria-based UN watchdog in its investigation of over two decades of nuclear activity by the Islamic republic, most of it clandestine until revealed more than four years ago.
Posted by: Fred || 08/29/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Iran

#1  Dubya has reportedly authorized US Commanders in Iraq-ME to confront "Iran's murderous activities" in Iraq - gener anywhere, anytime, and wid prejudice/maxi force as necessary. WIth commenst like these, more and more Netters are changing their minds about US-Iran conflict occurring after 2008 = after Dubya leaves office in Jan 2009, as opposed to now and 2008 = before Dubya leaves office.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/29/2007 4:05 Comments || Top||

#2  Short Round says his country now a 'nuclear Iran'

Patience. Patience. If ever another country on earth was deserving of Japan's fate, it is Iran. While the Persian people have not begged for it quite like the mullahs, eventually their inaction amounts to complicity. After a while, to remain silent is no longer just consent. To remain silent is to lie.
Posted by: Zenster || 08/29/2007 6:29 Comments || Top||

#3  After a while, to remain silent is no longer just consent. To remain silent is to lie.

Zenster: While this is true I have a simpler equation for your consideration. If it is them or us; I say them.
Posted by: Excalibur || 08/29/2007 8:58 Comments || Top||

#4  "The IAEA has said that Teheran also outlined its timetable for providing other sensitive information..."

Ahmadinejad: "How about never...is never good for you?"

IAEA: "Uh...OK! Allan's Snackbar!"
Posted by: OyVey1 || 08/29/2007 12:43 Comments || Top||


Germany to give Syria $5.4 million to help cope with Iraqi refugees
Germany will give Syria €4 million (US$5.4 million) to help it cope with an increasing number of Iraqi refugees, Germany's development minister said Tuesday.
Those'd be the refugees caused by Syria's complicity in the insurgency, right? I think I'll go out and break somebody's windows so somebody else will give me some money.
Heidemarie Wieczorek-Zeul made the announcement after holding talks with Syrian President Bashar Assad at the start of a three-day visit to Syria. Speaking at a joint press conference with Abdullah Dardari, the Syrian deputy premier for economic affairs, she said that Germany feels the burden Syria is shouldering in hosting more than 1.5 million Iraqis.
Maybe they should just provide bus tickets to Darmstadt or Bremerhaven.
The German minister said that her visit - the first to Syria - adhered to the principle of "cooperation, not confrontation" as the best way for relations between states. She noted that Berlin supported Syria's bid to sign a partnership agreement with the European Union.
Posted by: Fred || 08/29/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Syria

#1  Germany to give Syria $5.4 million to help cope with Iraqi refugees line Baby Assad's pockets.
Fixed. (Like any Iraqi refugee will ever see a euro).
Posted by: Spot || 08/29/2007 8:23 Comments || Top||

#2  Germany will give Syria �4 million (US$5.4 million) to help it cope with an increasing number of Iraqi refugees Sunni Baathists thugs, murders, and their family members.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 08/29/2007 9:19 Comments || Top||

#3  And the US is spreading $30 million (Jordan, Syria) for Iraq refugee education. It would really be nice if any two branches could coordinate to carry out US policy for once.
Posted by: ed || 08/29/2007 10:29 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Murtha's Malicious Misinformation May Mean Mega-Misery

A Christian law firm hopes that once its client is cleared of charges in connection with the so-called Haditha massacre, it will consider legal action against one of the men responsible for the accusations: Pennsylvania Congressman John Murtha. The Michigan-based Thomas More Law Center is representing Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani (USMC), who has been charged with not fully investigating the events at Haditha, Iraq, and failing to report a Law of War violation, in the aftermath of the November 19, 2005, incident that led to the death of 24 Iraqi civilians. Spokespersons for the legal group hope the convening officer in the investigation will throw out the charges as he already has for two of the six other men charged in the case. Chessani is the highest ranking officer charged in the case.

Congressman Murtha, a prominent war critic, last year accused U.S. Marines of shooting and killing unarmed civilians near the scene of an attack on a military convoy, then going into two homes and shooting others. According to Brian Rooney with the Law Center, Staff Sergeant Frank Wuterich -- one of the other defendants in the investigation -- is already suing Murtha for those comments. Rooney argues the Pennsylvania Democrat should be held accountable for taking the word of Iraqi insurgents and calling the Marines "cold-blooded murderers."

"Staff Sergeant Wuterich's attorneys are suing Congressman Murtha for liable for saying that the Marines were cold-blooded murderers, so that suit's still ongoing," the attorney explains, adding that the Law Center is considering taking similar action. "We're exploring our options ... in that regard because Murtha said that officers covered this up, which is explicitly naming our client as covering it up," says Rooney. "So once we get through with this court-martial -- and hopefully it goes our way -- then we're going to look at whether or not we should take a hard look at Congressman Murtha as well."

In comments during a June 2006 interview with ABC's Charles Gibson, Murtha stated, after a meeting with high-level Marines: "I know there was a cover-up someplace. They knew about this a few days afterwards, and there's no question the chain of command tried to stifle the story."
Usually someone making these sort of serious accusations has at least a shred of evidence. Allegations are not proof of anything.
Rooney says perhaps the people of Murtha's heavily Democratic district will vote him out of office next year. "Even if it's a Democratic district," he suggests, "you would hope that a Democrat of good conscience would stand up [against] what this congressman has put these men through."
Expect to see some Olympic Medal level backpedaling from this rectal cavity. Allowing ideology to overcome the value of truth is a betrayal of ethics.
Posted by: Zenster || 08/29/2007 02:57 || Comments || Link || [10 views] Top|| File under: Iraqi Insurgency

#1  As the father of a Marine who will deploy to Iraq shortly...I hope that sorry sack of $hit rots in H*ll for what he did to those men and The Corps.
Posted by: anymouse || 08/29/2007 3:28 Comments || Top||

#2  'mouse, please be so kind as to extend my personal gratitude to your child for serving in our nation's defense. Ordinary words are wholly inadequate to the task.
Posted by: Zenster || 08/29/2007 4:02 Comments || Top||

#3  Usually someone making these sort of serious accusations has at least a shred of evidence. Allegations are not proof of anything.

Except in cases of BDS syndrome. And Mumra Murtha is a typhoid-mary of BDS.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 08/29/2007 6:06 Comments || Top||

#4  Anymouse - I share your sentiments and pride. My son was there in 2004-2005 and said he will never forget being there for the elections. Keep the cards, letters, and care packages flowing - some of the kids don't seem to have families, and my son shared a lot of his loot. Semper Fi!
Posted by: Bobby || 08/29/2007 7:01 Comments || Top||

#5  Murtha is a disgrace to Marines, veterans and even to congressmen. He needs to be put on trial. I hope those Marines milk him for all he is worth.
Posted by: DarthVader || 08/29/2007 7:16 Comments || Top||

#6  The money might be more productively spent in a primary campaign. Success in that would make the subsequent suit much easier to pursue but reduce the value. A real EMV problem.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 08/29/2007 7:24 Comments || Top||

#7  His district votes him out, or I vote his district out. That POS.
Posted by: newc || 08/29/2007 7:39 Comments || Top||

#8  Usually someone making these sort of serious accusations has at least a shred of evidence. Allegations are not proof of anything.

It's called "projection". The Donks have an entire playbook of McCarthyism tactics. They just believe they should have a monopoly on the methodology and object if anyone else in even the slightest should do something that gives a scent of it. Especially, if the 'others' actually have the documentation and evidence by the box full.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 08/29/2007 9:15 Comments || Top||

#9  I wish Wuterich had waited after his hearing. I bet the Dems are now putting pressure on the Marines to indict Wuterich and get Murtha off the hook.
Posted by: ed || 08/29/2007 9:43 Comments || Top||

#10  It's too late. Murtha has already done too much damage, all the fawktards in the international press just repeat "Haditha, Haditha" as some sort of established fact.
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman || 08/29/2007 10:03 Comments || Top||

#11  Murtha is a very well known a**hole on the Hill. He is arrogant, egomanical and in some ways senile in his stupidity. He is a crook, a shyster and one of the most blatantly corrupt politicians in DC. I don't think it will take much legal action to have him crawl back under his rock with an apology.
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 08/29/2007 10:33 Comments || Top||

#12  The idea of voting him out is nice, but I live in the district next door, and I can tell ya there is no chance. His constituents are like zombies, living in a shelled out land of shuttered factories. If it weren't for the pork jackie boy sends there, it would be well on the way to reverting to forest land...
Posted by: M. Murcek || 08/29/2007 10:50 Comments || Top||

#13  BTW, it's 60 years plus of voting for dems that made the Johnstown area the blighted mess it is, same for the Mon Valley here. And yet, the voters of these benighted areas vote again and again for more of the same, and they get more of it, although the don't "get it..."
Posted by: M. Murcek || 08/29/2007 10:53 Comments || Top||

#14  Welfare in any form. The more you subsidize something the more of it you get. The heroin of the political class. Its make the constituents feel good in the short run, but destroys the body and will in the long run.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 08/29/2007 12:00 Comments || Top||

#15  As one who served in the Corps, I always understood that there is no such thing as an ex-Marine. That is, until Murtha came along.
Posted by: Cowboy is a compliment || 08/29/2007 12:26 Comments || Top||

#16  Did John Murtha assume the worst of these marines because of his own behavior in Viet Nam? I know that he was a well-decorated marine there, but is it possible that he also did some very bad things? Even though I detest what he did to our troops, I don't want to swift boat him. Unless, of course, he did do some terrible things while a marine.
Posted by: Angusoth Jones3773 || 08/29/2007 12:54 Comments || Top||

#17  My dad was a Marine. So was my father in law. But so was this guy and Ramsey Clark, so I guess there's bound to be a few defects in the system...
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/29/2007 13:04 Comments || Top||

#18  I always understood that there is no such thing as an ex-Marine.

Maybe we need to make an exception in this case. Nudge. Nudge.
Posted by: Zenster || 08/29/2007 13:15 Comments || Top||

#19  I kniow soldiers fromt here - they say its like this: as long as the retired union leeches people get their checks, they'll pull the lever for Jack. The only thing that will get him run out of office is the proverbial being found in bed with a a dead woman or a live boy.
Posted by: OldSpook || 08/29/2007 13:50 Comments || Top||

#20  Lee Harvey Oswald was also a 'former Marine', if I understood Pappy correctly on the proper vernacular. My son, in that case, is an 'ex-Marine"?

I get so confused ...
Posted by: Bobby || 08/29/2007 13:51 Comments || Top||

#21  Is there anyone collecting for the Marine to help financially in his defense? I would love to help with even the little I can give especially if he goes after Murtha.
Posted by: Jan || 08/29/2007 14:03 Comments || Top||

#22  Jan, News Max has a Haditha fund...100% goes to the defense fund.
Posted by: Phinater Thraviger || 08/29/2007 14:14 Comments || Top||

#23  Former Marines no longer waer the uniform.

Ex-Marines are few - that Murtha, and Scott Ritter (You remember him, the paedophile, weapons inspector)
Posted by: OldSpook || 08/29/2007 14:16 Comments || Top||

#24  Thanks PT.
Posted by: Jan || 08/29/2007 16:51 Comments || Top||

#25  Lee Harvey Oswald was also a 'former Marine', if I understood Pappy correctly on the proper vernacular. My son, in that case, is an 'ex-Marine"?

No, Bobby, your son is a Marine, always will be. There are no former Marines, there are a few ex-marines. The Green doesn't always take.


Posted by: Thomas Woof || 08/29/2007 17:22 Comments || Top||



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  Pak supremes: Nawaz can return
Thu 2007-08-23
  Izzat Ibrahim to throw in towel
Wed 2007-08-22
  Aksa Martyrs: We'll no longer honor agreements with Israel
Tue 2007-08-21
  'Saddam's daughter won't be deported'
Mon 2007-08-20
  Baitullah sez S. Wazoo deal is off, Gov't claims accord is intact
Sun 2007-08-19
  Taliban say hostage talks fail
Sat 2007-08-18
  "Take us to Tehran!" : Turkish passenger plane hijacked
Fri 2007-08-17
  Tora Bora assault: Allies press air, ground attacks
Thu 2007-08-16
  Jury finds Padilla, 2 co-defendents, guilty
Wed 2007-08-15
  At least 175 dead in Iraq bomb attack


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