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-Short Attention Span Theater-
Send a Holiday Message to the Troops
Via Stars and Stripes at the link. There's a space for a name to address the message, I just used "Those Away From Home"

They say they will publish all the messages, unless there are too many. Here's hoping it take them months to publish them all!
Posted by: Bobby || 11/28/2006 06:48 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Mods - Sorry. The first one went thru, so please ignore the other(s). I got two error messages before I was sure one went thru.
Posted by: Bobby || 11/28/2006 8:34 Comments || Top||

#2  Then there's this, from a recent e-mail:

The embers glowed softly, and in their dim light,
I gazed round the room and I cherished the sight.

My wife was asleep, her head on my chest,
my daughter beside me, angelic in rest.

Outside the snow fell, a blanket of white,
transforming the yard to a winter delight.

The sparkling lights in the tree I believe,
completed the magic that was Christmas Eve.

My eyelids were heavy, my breathing was deep,
secure and surrounded by love I would sleep.

In perfect contentment, or so it would seem,
so I slumbered, perhaps I started to dream.

The sound wasn't loud, and it wasn't too near,
but I opened my eyes when it tickled my ear.

Perhaps just a cough, I didn't quite know,
then the sure sound of footsteps outside in the snow.

My soul gave a tremble, I struggled to hear,
and I crept to the door just to see who was near.

Standing out in the cold and the dark of the night,
a lone figure stood, his face weary and tight.

A soldier, I puzzled, some twenty years old,
perhaps a Marine, huddled here in the cold.

Alone in the dark, he looked up and smiled,
standing watch over me, and my wife and my child.

"What are you doing?" I asked without fear,
"Come in this moment, it’s freezing out here!

Put down your pack, brush the snow from your sleeve,
you should be at home on a cold Christmas Eve!"

For barely a moment I saw his eyes shift,
away from the cold and the snow blown in drifts.

To the window that danced with a warm fire's light,
then he sighed and he said "Its really all right,
I'm out here by choice. I'm here every night."

"It's my duty to stand at the front of the line,
that separates you from the darkest of times.

“No one had to ask or beg or implore me,
I'm proud to stand here like my fathers before me.

“My Gramps died at 'Pearl on a day in December,"
Then he sighed, "That's a Christmas 'Gram always remembers."

“My dad stood his watch in the jungles of 'Nam',
and now it is my turn and so, here I am.

“I've not seen my own son in more than a while,
but my wife sends me pictures, he's sure got her smile.”

Then he bent and he carefully pulled from his bag,
the red, white, and blue... an American flag.

“I can live through the cold and the being alone,
away from my family, my house and my home.

“I can stand at my post through the rain and the sleet,
I can sleep in a foxhole with little to eat.

“I can carry the weight of killing another,
Or lay down my life with my sister and brother.

Who stand at the front against any and all,
to ensure for all time that this flag will not fall."

"So go back inside," he said, "harbor no fright,
your family is waiting and I'll be all right."

"But isn't there something I can do, at the least,
Give you money," I asked, "or prepare you a feast?

“It seems all too little for all that you've done,
for being away from your wife and your son."

Then his eye welled a tear that held no regret,
“Just tell us you love us, and never forget.

“To fight for our rights back at home while we're gone,
to stand your own watch, no matter how long.

“For when we come home, either standing or dead,
to know you remember we fought and we bled.

“Is payment enough, and with that we will trust,
that we mattered to you as you mattered to us."

[wipes tear]
Posted by: Bobby || 11/28/2006 8:37 Comments || Top||

#3  Bobby, I'm saving that poem. Truly it is that sentiment that makes this country great.
Posted by: Charles || 11/28/2006 8:53 Comments || Top||

#4  Ahh, that felt good to send that. I let them know there are plenty of people that support what they are doing.
Posted by: Unique Battle || 11/28/2006 13:48 Comments || Top||

#5  That poem's making the rounds - I've gotten it from three different people. It's a keeper, all right.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 11/28/2006 13:50 Comments || Top||

#6  Done and done! [/Seymour Skinner]

Good poem, Bobby. A real tear jerker.

Remember folks, there's a December first deadline for sending a message to the troops. Do it today!
Posted by: Zenster || 11/28/2006 14:31 Comments || Top||

#7  Oh, yeah? Whaddabout this?

The Final Inspection

The Marine stood and faced God,
Which must always come to pass.

He hoped his shoes were shining,
Just as brightly as his brass.

"Step forward now, Marine,
How shall I deal with you?

Have you always turned the other cheek?
To My Church have you been true?"

The soldier squared his shoulders and said,
"No, Lord, I guess I ain't.

Because those of us who carry guns,
Can't always be a saint.

I've had to work most Sundays,
And at times my talk was tough.

And sometimes I've been violent,
Because the world is awfully rough.

But, I never took a penny,
That wasn't mine to keep...

Though I worked a lot of overtime,
When the bills got just too steep.

And I never passed a cry for help,
Though at times I shook with fear.

And sometimes, God, forgive me,
I've wept unmanly tears.

I know I don't deserve a place,
Among the people here.

They never wanted me around,
Except to calm their fears.

If you've a place for me here, Lord,
It needn't be so grand.

I never expected or had too much,
But if you don't, I'll understand.

There was a silence all around the throne,
Where the saints had often trod.

As the Marine waited quietly,
For the judgment of his God.

"Step forward now, you Marine,
You've borne your burdens well.

Walk peacefully on Heaven's streets,
You've done your time in Hell."

~Author Unknown~
Posted by: Bobby || 11/28/2006 15:59 Comments || Top||

#8  Another option is to go to www.anysoldier.com and send individual soldiers items that they are requesting. This is a great web service for our soldiers.

Thanks
Posted by: Canaveral Dan || 11/28/2006 16:04 Comments || Top||

#9  No more poems, Bobby, please! Each one made me weep.

Messages sent to each of the four locations, because they're printing up separate editions.
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/28/2006 16:15 Comments || Top||

#10  There must be some virus embedded in those poems. About halfway through the screen gets blurry and hard to read.
Posted by: Jackal || 11/28/2006 19:06 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan
NATO urged to plan Afghan exit strategy
NATO’s fragile unity over Afghanistan has begun to crack ahead of an important summit – with one public call to discuss an exit strategy from the allied forces’ bloody confrontation with the Taliban, according to a report in The Independent. The report said that while heads of government were to make a show of unity over Afghanistan at Tuesday’s summit in Riga, the Belgian defence minister had questioned the future of NATO’s most important mission.
The Belchians? But... But... Without the Belchian Hairdresser Corps all of NATO would wither!
It said that heads of the alliance’s 26 nations were unlikely to agree to send reinforcements to Afghanistan.
Yeah. We heard Europe is washing its hair that year.
The report said the Belgian minister’s comments would alarm senior figures at the alliance’s headquarters where there was already concern that France was getting cold feet about its role in Afghanistan. Paris had remained publicly committed to the mission, but NATO sources were concerned about the possibility of an eventual French withdrawal, it said.
La Belle France? Quelle surprise!
French President Chirac said on Monday that France wanted its NATO partners to set up a “contact group” to review and reorganise the alliance’s mission in Afghanistan. A French diplomat said that Paris feared the NATO mission to Afghanistan was trying to “impose rather than keep the peace”.
Ummm... If you don't impose it, y'got nothin' to keep, do you?
Belgian Defence Minister André Flahaut brought anxieties about the Afghan mission into the open when he suggested that, at the Riga summit, “We finally reflect on an exit strategy.” Flahaut argued, “Over time, NATO forces risk appearing like an army of occupation.”
What if that's what it takes?
Meanwhile on Monday, the US called on NATO allies to do more in Afghanistan, but acknowledged that domestic politics held some countries back from a more robust presence there. “If allies have agreed by consensus to take on a mission, they should help each other to carry out the mission,” said a senior US official.
Posted by: Fred || 11/28/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Correct me if I'm wrong, but with the US, UK, Canada and Denmark (or Dutch?) doing the real work, who cares about the sprouts or frogs?
Posted by: Spot || 11/28/2006 8:07 Comments || Top||

#2  Ummmm…don’t you remember elementary school where you had a 20 minute time out in the corner?

These guys were caught living off of American military welfare for 60 years, so this is their punishment for being welfare queens. That’s why they’re asking - is it time yet?

They were more than happy to fight to the last American in Europe for their social nanny state, but support democracy elsewhere in the world? You’re kidding?
Posted by: Procopius2k || 11/28/2006 8:47 Comments || Top||

#3  Swedes and Finns shot it out with Talibs on 9/12/06. Nordic team 1, Talibs 0.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 11/28/2006 10:23 Comments || Top||

#4  Phuck the Phrench.
Posted by: Excalibur || 11/28/2006 11:17 Comments || Top||

#5  Spot, there is a bit of frustration within NATO because the Americans, Canadians, British and Dutch troops are doing the heavy lifting and taking casualties while the the French and Germans are confined to quarters during nighttime and weekends as a security measure.
Posted by: john || 11/28/2006 11:27 Comments || Top||

#6  Time to move NATO Headquarters to either Amsterdam or London, and tell the Belgians, French, and GERMANS they either pay to play, or they get out and get lost. Create a "coalition of the willing", and build a closer relation with those members. Let the rest take care of themselves. France will soon be fully entrenched on the dark side soon anyway, instead of only halfway.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 11/28/2006 13:58 Comments || Top||

#7  Hell, OP, just get rid of NATO altogether - it's time is past. We don't need to defend EUrope and if they want to fight it out amongst themselves (again), well have at it.
Posted by: Spot || 11/28/2006 14:54 Comments || Top||


Africa Horn
Blood flows as red in Chad as in Darfur
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 11/28/2006 12:48 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:


Somalia: President says Islamic Courts are on the offensive
(SomaliNet) Somali’s interim president Abdulahi Yusuf Ahmed on Monday accused the Islamic Courts Union of being offensive to his government. He said in an interview with Al-Arabia TV channel in its office in Somalia describing the recent comments by the leader of Islamists, Sheikh Sharif Sheik Ahmed in which he declared jihad as provocative and vile.

Mr. Yusuf said the Islamic Courts mistranslated the word of Jihad using it for their particular interest to rule the country. “The leader of executive council of Islamic Courts Sheik Sharif will hold the responsibility of the bad consequence that will be resulted from the war he declared,” president Yususf said.

Asked about the presence of terrorist group in Somalia, Mr. Yusuf said that he has concrete evidence confirming that international terrorist cells stay in Somalia and fight alongside with Islamic Courts. He said the terror groups in Somalia help Islamic Courts carrying out acts of destroying the country. “I have an indication, for instance the suicide bomb attack in Baidoa city two months ago that targeted my convoys and aimed to kill me but failed.” But the Islamic Court distanced any involvement of the attack in Baidoa which was plotted to assassinate the president but escaped unharmed.
Posted by: Fred || 11/28/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  provocative and vile!

YEAH!
Posted by: Jesing Ebbease3087 || 11/28/2006 15:42 Comments || Top||


Britain
Saudis suspend Eurofighter negotiations
Follow-up.
LONDON - Saudi Arabia has suspended negotiations with Britain over the its purchase of 72 new Eurofighter aircraft from British firm BAE Systems because of a row over an investigation into an alleged slush fund, the Financial Times reported on Tuesday.

“We cannot speak on behalf of the two governments. But I do know we are not currently moving forward on finalising the Typhoon contract,” Mike Turner, chief executive of BAE Systems, was quoted by the newspaper as saying.

The Eurofighter deal is initially for 10 billion pounds (19.4 billion dollars, 14.8 billion euros), but the value of the agreement could rise to as much as 40 billion pounds for BAE through maintenance and upgrades.
And the Brits were counting on contracts like these to keep the per-copy cost of the plane down.
The row has flared over a three-year investigation by Britain’s Serious Fraud Office (SFO) into claims that BAE established a 60-million pound slush fund for some members of the Saudi royal family, which allegedly provided perks including luxury cars to ensure that they kept doing business with BAE. BAE Systems has sealed a series of lucrative deals with Saudi Arabia since 1985.

Saudi Arabia threatened to suspend diplomatic links with Britain over the affair after SFO lawyers persuaded a Swiss magistrate to force disclosure of details about confidential Swiss bank accounts, this week’s Sunday Times reported.

“We have done nothing wrong ... We don’t want to interfere with the judicial process, and politicians clearly cannot do that, but we do want to see a resolution of the SFO investigation,” Turner said. “It is damaging for our business.”
Posted by: Steve White || 11/28/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [10 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ..If I were Boeing I'd start dropping hints to the Saudi military attache about really good deals on F-18Es...

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 11/28/2006 8:58 Comments || Top||

#2  Sell 'em the secret of the S.A.G.E.
Posted by: Shipman || 11/28/2006 12:10 Comments || Top||

#3  No need for the US to screw the Brits. France will attempt to shoehorn their way in with the Rafale.
Posted by: ed || 11/28/2006 12:44 Comments || Top||

#4  I personally wouldn't sell the Saudis the used contents of my cat's litter box, but that's just me. Let the Saudis buy Russian crap and find themselves totally screwed in all future negotiations.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 11/28/2006 14:07 Comments || Top||

#5  Somehow I think that if this deal gets stymied, BAE will be in the hurt locker; remember thay just sunk a bunch of money into EADS, the same EADS that runs Airbus.....
Posted by: USN, ret. || 11/28/2006 15:57 Comments || Top||

#6  Let the Saudis buy from the French. They will never know true pain until they see the bill to maintain and operate French aircraft and avionics. I remember a general from the Hellenic Air Force bitterly complaining that it cost Greece more to operate one squadron of Super Entendards than four squadrons of A-7s.
Posted by: RWV || 11/28/2006 16:51 Comments || Top||

#7  BAE sold it's 20% stake in Airbus to EADS last month so they can focus on their US defense business.
Posted by: Classical_Liberal || 11/28/2006 20:16 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
North Korea ready for return to talks: envoy
BEIJING - North Korea’s chief nuclear negotiator said on Tuesday he was ready to rejoin six-nation talks on Pyongyang’s nuclear program at “any time,” South Korea’s Yonhap news agency reported from Beijing. “We are ready to boldly participate in the talks at any time, as we have taken all the defensive measures through the nuclear test,” Kim Kye-Gwan was quoted as saying.
Boldly, eh?
Kim said he arrived at the “kind invitation” of US Assistant Secretary of State Christopher Hill, his counterpart in the negotiations, which have been stalled for the past year. “There are a lot of issues between North Korea and the United States,” he said, adding that he would try to narrow the differences.
Actually there's just one ....
Hill is already in Beijing, along with the South Korean and Japanese lead delegates, to try to set a date for a resumption of the talks after Pyongyang stunned the world with its first ever nuclear weapons test on October 9.
Posted by: Steve White || 11/28/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  To boldly talk where no country has talked before.
Posted by: Jackal || 11/28/2006 8:10 Comments || Top||


US negotiator could meet with N. Korea official
A meeting between the top US negotiator in long-stalled North Korean nuclear disarmament talks and his North Korean counterpart is possible, the State Department said Monday, as envoys worked to convene a new round of negotiations.

Assistant Secretary of State Christopher Hill is in Beijing to discuss restarting talks that have been deadlocked for more than a year; a meeting with Kim Kye Gwan, North Korea's vice foreign minister, is "certainly an open possibility," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said. After talks between Hill and Kim last month, North Korea agreed to return to the arms negotiations that involve the Koreas, the United States, Russia, Japan and China. The decision followed North Korea's first nuclear test on Oct. 9.
Posted by: Fred || 11/28/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:


Europe
Erdogan to meet pope
Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan agreed on Monday to meet Benedict XVI during a potentially volatile visit overshadowed by the pope’s controversial comments on Islam. Erdogan’s spokesman said he would meet the head of the Roman Catholic Church at Ankara airport just after his arrival Tuesday for a four-day visit. “A meeting is planned for the airport,” the spokesman Mehmet Akif Beki told AFP, but he could not say how long the encounter would last.

The fact that no talks had initially been planned between Erdogan and the pope was widely seen in the West as a snub of the Church leader by Erdogan, who heads the Islamist-rooted Justice and Development Party. Erdogan and other Turkish officials regularly denied this, saying aides were trying to find a way to arrange a meeting between the two. The premier’s decision came a day after Benedict XVI offered an olive branch to his Turkish hosts, expressing his “sincere friendship” with the Turkish people to whom he sent “cordial greetings”.
Posted by: Fred || 11/28/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Such magnificent condescension to the leader of that dhimmi religious thingy -- and in the airport lounge, no less!
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/28/2006 0:22 Comments || Top||

#2  He wants to be "out of town", just in case something sordid happens to the Pope.
Posted by: SpecOp35 || 11/28/2006 0:47 Comments || Top||

#3  reports are that

they met

they exchanged some pleasant words

Pope then went to meet with GOrthodox prelate
Posted by: mhw || 11/28/2006 13:09 Comments || Top||

#4  Pope then went to meet with Orthodox prelate

My humble 0.02... Make no mistakes : the meat of this trip is NOT to deal with turkey, islam,... it is an another step toward the reconciliation between the Orthodoxes and the Catholics, something which makes the russian popes cringe.

Exactly as the Rastibonne speech was NOT primarily about islam (but about the grecian heritage, reason, and against empty secularism), even if the liberals chased the shadow rather than the prey (or pretended to do so).
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 11/28/2006 13:14 Comments || Top||

#5  Ratzi - if we don't hand together, we'll surely hang separately.

It's time to come home. We have work to do.
Posted by: anonymous2u || 11/28/2006 19:58 Comments || Top||


Syria lets Germany see Syrian-German terrorist
The German government said Monday it has gained access to a Syrian-German dual national who is suspected of recruiting the lead Sept. 11 suicide hijacker for al-Qaida and is currently standing trial in Damascus. Foreign Ministry spokesman Jens Ploetner said a German consular official has been allowed to visit Mohammed Haydar Zammar after Syria long refused access.

Berlin "will now work to ensure that this consular access is maintained and that Mr. Zammar can have legal assistance" during the trial he now faces in Syria, Ploetner said. Zammar, 45, reportedly faces charges of membership in the outlawed Muslim Brotherhood group, which can be punished by execution under Syrian law.
Posted by: Fred || 11/28/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Well, as long as his German civil rights are protected.

/death-knell of the West
Posted by: Excalibur || 11/28/2006 11:26 Comments || Top||


Fifth Column
Pat Buchanan: Putin is being "set up" for the Litvinenko murder
Hat tip: John Podhoretz, National Review

I'll save you the trouble of actually reading it: Pat the moonbat in the tinfoil hat blames Litvinenko's associates, and even suggests that Litvinenko may have engaged in a "martyrdom operation."
Posted by: Mike || 11/28/2006 06:48 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Pat, Pat, Pat.

Thirty years ago, even 20 years ago, you were a reasonably sane man. Maybe you should see a doctor.
Posted by: Jackal || 11/28/2006 8:11 Comments || Top||

#2  Buchanan knows what keeps him on the TV -- making conservatives sound insane.
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 11/28/2006 8:58 Comments || Top||

#3  perfectly sound theory for MSNBC
Posted by: Frank G || 11/28/2006 9:42 Comments || Top||

#4  Jonah Goldberg, National Review:

Wow, that's a cowardly piece of writing. He rhetorically asks the cui bono question over and over again, to the point where it becomes tedious. The effect is deliberate because he clearly only has one answer in mind, but he's too afraid to say the words: Jews, Zionists, Neocons. This sort of game — common in certain paleo quarters — of "raising questions" without offering the answers they clearly have in mind is an attempt to seem brave without actually risking anything.

Oh, and Buchanan's conspiracy idea rests on the assumption that until this moment Putin has been some kind of Jeffersonian democrat, which is a bit hard to square with the public record. Why would Buchanan distort reality that way? Why? What does he have to benefit? What could motivate him? What demons does he have? Cui bono?
Posted by: Mike || 11/28/2006 10:05 Comments || Top||

#5  It's one I'd put more weight on than Putin did him in.

Look at his links to
a) Islam.
b) Chechens
c) Boris Berezovsky.

BorisB is Russian mafia.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles in Blairistan || 11/28/2006 10:19 Comments || Top||

#6  If it *was* a martyrdom op, it was very, very well done.

Are those unicorn hoofbeats in the distance?
Posted by: Seafarious || 11/28/2006 10:54 Comments || Top||

#7  Best suggestion of what happened I've heard was that the KGB screwed up the dosage and what should have dehabilitated him and killed him in a few years worked so quickly that it was very obvious.

Then again it is also likely the Russians just told the world that they'll kill you in a painful and visible way and there is jack you can do about it so shut your pie-holes.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 11/28/2006 12:18 Comments || Top||

#8  May Pat CAN explain why all those in favor of a democratic process are all laying in the ground, and Putin's 'boot lickers' are grazing on top of it!
Posted by: smn || 11/28/2006 14:58 Comments || Top||

#9  It's one I'd put more weight on than Putin did him in.

I've read suggestions by euro-pundits that it was more probably the russian kleptocracy (organized crime + big business + military/intelligence apparatus) the likeliest culprit, for private motives, rather than a straight gvt-backed assassination.
On the other hand, the botched poisoning which killed instead of debilitating is also a viable possiblity IMHO.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 11/28/2006 15:05 Comments || Top||

#10  Traces of radiation have been found at the offices of the billionaire Russian exile Boris Berezovsky and a security firm which employs the former commander of Britain's special forces.

Polonium 210, the rare radioactive element thought to have killed the former KGB spy Alexander Litvinenko, has been found at Mr Berezovsky's offices and those of the private security firm Erinys.




Posted by: john || 11/28/2006 17:49 Comments || Top||

#11  Polonium doesn't exactly grow on trees, you know. Wikipedia notes:

A very rare element in nature, polonium is found in uranium ores at about 100 micrograms per metric ton (1:1010). Its natural abundance is approximately 0.2% of the abundance of radium. Polonium has been found in tobacco smoke from tobacco leaves grown with phosphate fertilizers.

Synthesis by (n,g) reaction

In 1934 an experiment showed that when natural [Bismuth 209] is bombarded with neutrons, [Bismuth 210], which is the parent of polonium, was created. Polonium may now be made in milligram amounts in this procedure which uses high neutron fluxes found in nuclear reactors. Only about 100 grams is believed to be produced each year, making polonium exceedingly rare.
Posted by: Mike || 11/28/2006 18:43 Comments || Top||

#12  As evidence mounts that Pat Buchanan, Nativist and anti-Hispanic bigot, isolationist and economic nationalist, is losing his mind, consider the fact that he continues to pay this clown for his excremental contributions to Pat's rag of a magazine, The American Conservative.
Posted by: Lancasters Over Dresden || 11/28/2006 20:08 Comments || Top||

#13  WOT > among other thingys, is now a WAR FOR GLOBAL MAFIA/ANARCHY STATE between West + East??? Maybe just me, but I fail to see what end-game advantage or benefit either the Western Mafias or Eastern/Oriental achieve by promoting a GLOBAL SOCIALIST/TOTALITARIAN STATE. $$$ = Wealth/Power? = requires Individ-Civil Freedom(s) = NOT COMPATIBLE vv TOTALITARIANISM/
ABSOLUTISM OR PERVASIVE, HYPER-REGULATORY GUBMINT???
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 11/28/2006 22:23 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Sources: Hastings won't lead House Intelligence Committee
From CNN Congressional Correspondent Andrea Koppel

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Incoming House Speaker Nancy Pelosi won't pick Rep. Alcee Hastings to lead the House Intelligence Committee when Congress reconvenes under Democratic control in January, Democratic sources said Tuesday.

Hastings was considered next in line to lead the panel after Pelosi indicated that she was unlikely to pick the committee's current ranking Democrat, California Rep. Jane Harman, due to term limits. But critics objected to Hastings because he was impeached and removed from a federal judgeship in the 1980s after being acquitted of bribery charges.

Pelosi told Hastings of her decision in a Tuesday afternoon meeting at the Capitol, two Democratic sources told CNN. Hastings declined comment after the meeting but said he would have a statement later in the day.

No decision on who would lead the intelligence committee, which oversees U.S. spy agencies, has been announced. (Posted 3:26 p.m.)
Posted by: Sherry || 11/28/2006 16:06 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Hurray!
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/28/2006 16:24 Comments || Top||

#2  Too bad, Alcee. Could've had the motherlode.
Oh, well. Back to the nickel and dime bribes...
Posted by: tu3031 || 11/28/2006 16:26 Comments || Top||

#3  another climbdown for Pelosi - she's two-fer in the incompetence ratings
Posted by: Frank G || 11/28/2006 16:57 Comments || Top||

#4  I can't believe his name was even floated. Impeached judges on the House Intelligence (stop laughing!) Committee? Jeez, Nancy, talk about a political tin ear. I admit I was looking forward to the ensuing circus.
Posted by: SteveS || 11/28/2006 17:25 Comments || Top||

#5  Sources: Hastings won't lead House Intelligence Committee

They must have discovered he's missing the prerequisite.

C'mon, guys! All of you have to retake Snark 101. :-)
Posted by: gorb || 11/28/2006 17:30 Comments || Top||

#6  Huzzahs!
removed from a federal judgeship in the 1980s after being acquitted of bribery charges.

Is that the timeline?
Posted by: Shipman || 11/28/2006 18:16 Comments || Top||

#7  Here's an excerpt from Hastings comment.
"I am obviously disappointed with this decision," Hastings, D-Fla., said in a statement thanking his supporters. "I will be seeking better and bigger opportunities in a Democratic Congress."
In a sign of the bitterness that has surrounded the debate, Hastings closed his statement by saying: "Sorry, haters, God is not finished with me yet."

Posted by: Deacon Blues || 11/28/2006 18:22 Comments || Top||

#8  I'm just about finished with you.
Posted by: God || 11/28/2006 19:10 Comments || Top||

#9  yeah, right, we're all haters for wanting you to crawl back under the rock you should've stayed under. I sincerely hope the Congressional Black Caucus raises holy hell. It'll be fitting to diminish both their "moral authority" and Nancy's power position over her bitchy catfight with Harman
Posted by: Frank G || 11/28/2006 19:35 Comments || Top||

#10  Well, I've washed my hands of him. . .
Posted by: Jesus || 11/28/2006 20:39 Comments || Top||

#11  The dems must start to realize that a narrow majority is not a mandate. Floating Hastings as a candidate for leader of the House Intel Committee is just plain stupid. I doubt that this little brain fart will smarten up Pelosi. Stupidity is our friend, when dealing with a dem. Jeeze Louise.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 11/28/2006 22:34 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Airplane Imams: Behaviour Consistent With Security Probe
Muslim religious leaders removed from a Minneapolis flight last week exhibited behavior associated with a security probe by terrorists and were not merely engaged in prayers, according to witnesses, police reports and aviation security officials. Witnesses said three of the imams were praying loudly in the concourse and repeatedly shouted "Allah" when passengers were called for boarding US Airways Flight 300 to Phoenix. "I was suspicious by the way they were praying very loud," the gate agent told the Minneapolis Police Department.
Key sign #1: loud prayer and shouts of "Allah". Check.
Passengers and flight attendants told law-enforcement officials the imams switched from their assigned seats to a pattern associated with the September 11 terrorist attacks and also found in probes of U.S. security since the attacks -- two in the front row first-class, two in the middle of the plane on the exit aisle and two in the rear of the cabin. "That would alarm me," said a federal air marshal who asked to remain anonymous. "They now control all of the entry and exit routes to the plane." A pilot from another airline said: "That behavior has been identified as a terrorist probe in the airline industry."
Key sign #2: switch seats to pattern of two in the front row first-class, two in the middle of the plane on the exit aisle and two in the rear of the cabin. Check.
But the imams who were escorted off the flight in handcuffs say they were merely praying before the 6:30 p.m. flight on Nov. 20, and yesterday led a protest by prayer with other religious leaders at the airline's ticket counter at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport.
Racial profiling, "Flying while Muslim", and similar blither removed.
According to witnesses, police reports and aviation security officials, the imams displayed other suspicious behavior. Three of the men asked for seat-belt extenders, although two flight attendants told police the men were not oversized. One flight attendant told police she "found this unsettling, as crew knew about the six [passengers] on board and where they were sitting." Rather than attach the extensions, the men placed the straps and buckles on the cabin floor, the flight attendant said.
Sear belt extenders for bashing passengers with. Check.
The imams said they were not discussing politics and only spoke in English, but witnesses told law enforcement that the men spoke in Arabic and English, criticizing the war in Iraq and President Bush, and talking about al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden.
Loud conversations larded with "America evil, Bin Laden good," statements. Check.
The imams who claimed two first-class seats said their tickets were upgraded. The gate agent told police that when the imams asked to be upgraded, they were told no such seats were available. Nevertheless, the two men were seated in first class when removed.

A flight attendant said one of the men made two trips to the rear of the plane to talk to the imam during boarding, and again when the flight was delayed because of their behavior. Aviation officials, including air marshals and pilots, said these actions alone would not warrant a second look, but the combination is suspicious. "They should have been denied boarding and been investigated," said Robert MacLean, a former air marshal. "It looks like they are trying to create public sympathy or maybe setting someone up for a lawsuit."
Block aisles to consult when should be seated. Check.
The pilot with another airline who talked to The Washington Times on condition of anonymity, said he would have made the same call as the US Airways pilot. "If any group of passengers is commingling in the terminal and didn't sit in their assigned seats or with each other, I would stop everything and investigate until they could provide me with a reason they did not sit in their assigned seats."

One of the passengers, Omar Shahin, told Newsweek the group did everything it could to avoid suspicion by wearing Western clothes, speaking English and booking seats so they were not together. He said they conducted prayers quietly and separately to avoid attention.
Liar! But then, the witnesses are women and kaffirs. They don't count. Taqqiya. Check.
A spokeswoman for US Airways declined to discuss the incident. Aviation security officials said thousands of Muslims fly every day and conduct prayers in airports in a quiet and private manner without creating incidents.
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/28/2006 07:34 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  excellent report by the WTimes

The WaPo had a short article with basically only the pro Iman side of the issue. So did the Wash Examiner. So far the Imans have only been able to get a few leftists, Rep-elect Ellison and a few others on their team.

The NAACP will use this to argue against racial profiling but most black actually want to profile muslims (who are technically not a race).
Posted by: mhw || 11/28/2006 8:07 Comments || Top||

#2  ...Okay, here's my question: these guys did everything short of wearing signs around their neck that said "HIJACKER", "ANOTHER HIGHJACKER", etc. This was intentional, but why? Testing security? Hoping to provoke a more forceful response?

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 11/28/2006 9:01 Comments || Top||

#3  Rather than attach the extensions, the men placed the straps and buckles on the cabin floor, the flight attendant said.

Son of a bitch!

They ARE seeing if they can get by with having seat belt extensions around as flails!

Any bets on other news agencies picking up these details?
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 11/28/2006 9:03 Comments || Top||

#4  This was intentional, but why? Testing security? Hoping to provoke a more forceful response?

Possibly this: provoke overreaction and backlash against air security, get the Dem Congress to harass the TSA. TSA dials back on intrusiveness of its security measures (normal bureaucratic reaction to bad publicity). Future hijackers have an easier time of it as a result.
Posted by: Mike || 11/28/2006 9:15 Comments || Top||

#5  Do these guys go on the no-fly list? Or do they get a do-over?
Posted by: Perfesser || 11/28/2006 9:40 Comments || Top||

#6  they should get the back-room beat down
Posted by: Frank G || 11/28/2006 9:41 Comments || Top||

#7  Cause a scene, claim discrimination, file lawsuits. Whether the imams win or not, the next airline/airport security will remember the lawsuit and hesitate to take action against the next suspicious group of muslims, thus setting the stage for the next atrocity. As a bonus, if the imams win in the People's Republic of Minneapolis, it will be like taking booty from the infidels. Just no sex slaves to go along with it.
Posted by: ed || 11/28/2006 9:45 Comments || Top||

#8  Rather than attach the extensions, the men placed the straps and buckles on the cabin floor, the flight attendant said.

If the Flight Attendant judged that the men did not require seatbelt extensions, why did they give them to the Imams? From now on, Mzzies fly in the cargo hold trussed like the swine they are.

Posted by: Mick Dundee || 11/28/2006 9:50 Comments || Top||

#9  Rather than attach the extensions, the men placed the straps and buckles on the cabin floor, the flight attendant said.

This is the corker. To make a fuss about special treatment and then just as quickly leave these potential weapons objects loose and underfoot is more than suspicious.

This was a shakedown cruise for another 9-11, make no mistake about it.

Homeland Security had better be going through the backgrounds and known associates of these maggots with a fine tooth comb. I hope Ellison throws in with these terrorist abettors. It would be delightful for him to get caught up in a thorough trouncing of this sort of Islamic espionage crap.

There is a DIRECT connection between these spies and those who participated in the 9-11 atrocity. If American agents do not pick this apart at the seams it will represent a gigantic failure to fulfill their duty to the public.

I only hope that security officials delay disclosure of any incriminating facts until well after these turds have brewed up their usual Islamophobic shitstorm so that all of these devices designed to gain public sympathy can be revealed for what they are; Namely, a slow and exceedingly dangerous erosion of public awareness concerning the threat represented by continued Muslim presence on American soil.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/28/2006 11:28 Comments || Top||

#10  Maybe it's just me, but what is with all these suspicious characters pulling weird tricks going to my ol' stomping grounds of Phoenix? First the unemployed guy with a suitcase full of cash and a marked interest in nuclear power (possibly interested in Palo Verde, the largest nuclear plant in the western US?), and now these mooks. I understand that maybe one or two of them live there, but the rest of them? They had better have been catching connecting flights....
Posted by: Swamp Blondie || 11/28/2006 12:53 Comments || Top||

#11  Like with so many things in life, it's just a matter of time...

It's just a matter of time when some more muzzies stage another incident like this one in MN. And it's just a matter of time before a patriot, on board an airliner with these same muzzies, takes matters into his own hands. Physically.

And it's just a matter of time that the patriot will find himself in federal custody looking at several years in federal prison while the muzzie fifth columnists who staged the event walk away scot free. The muzzie will (falsely) play the role of victim and the msm will smear the patriot as a bigot and islamophobe.

It's just a matter of time....

Please read the article under the RB "Opinion" section today entitled: The MN Six Sabotage Airline Security. It dovetails with the article set forth above.
Posted by: Mark Z || 11/28/2006 13:26 Comments || Top||

#12  More from the Invester's Business Daily (hattip Little Green Footballs):

According to witnesses and police reports, the men:

• Made anti-American statements.

• Made a scene of praying and chanting "Allah."

• Asked for seat-belt extensions even though a flight attendant thought they didn't need them.

• Refused requests by the pilot to disembark for more screening.

Also, three of the men had only one-way tickets and no checked baggage.
I didn't know about that one!

Police had to forcibly remove the men from the flight, whereupon they were taken into custody. A search found no weapons or explosives, and they were released to continue on their journey. Within hours, the men enlisted a Muslim-rights group to make a stink in the press, insisting they were merely imams returning home from an Islamic conference in Minneapolis. They say they were "harassed" because of their faith.

But were they victims or provocateurs?

All six claim to be Americans, so clearly they were aware of heightened security. Surely they knew that groups of Muslim men flying together while praying to Allah fit the modus operandi of the 9/11 hijackers and would make a pilot nervous. Throw in anti-U.S. remarks and odd demands about seat belts, and they might as well have yelled, "Bomb!"

Yet they chose to make a spectacle. Why? Turns out among those attending their conference was Rep.-elect Keith Ellison, D-Minn., who will be the first Muslim sworn into Congress (with his hand on the Quran). Two days earlier, Ellison, an African-American convert who wants to criminalize Muslim profiling, spoke at a fundraiser for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the Muslim-rights group that wasted no time condemning US Airways for "prejudice and ignorance." CAIR wants congressional hearings to investigate other incidents of "flying while Muslim." Incoming Judiciary Chairman John Con-yers, D-Mich., has already drafted a resolution, borrowing from CAIR rhetoric, that gives Muslims special civil-rights protections.

While it's not immediately clear whether the incident was a stunt to help give the new Democratic majority cover to criminalize airport profiling, it wouldn't be the first time Muslim passengers have tried to prove "Islamophobia" — or test nerves and security.

Two years ago a dozen Syrian men caused panic aboard a Northwest Airlines flight by passing bags to each other as they used the lavatory. As the plane prepared to land, they rushed to the back and front of the plane speaking in Arabic.

Then there's the case of Muhammed al-Qudhaieen and Hamdan al-Shalawi, two Arizona college students removed from an America West flight after twice trying to open the cockpit. The FBI suspected it was a dry run for the 9/11 hijackings, according to the 9/11 Commission Report. One of the students had traveled to Afghanistan. Another became a material witness in the 9/11 investigation. Even so, the pair filed racial-profiling suits against America West, now part of US Airways. Defending them was none other than the leader of the six imams kicked off the US Airways flight this week.

Turns out the students attended the Tucson, Ariz., mosque of Sheikh Omar Shahin, a Jordan native. Shahin has been the protesters' public face, even returning to the US Airways ticket counter at the Minneapolis airport to scold agents before the cameras.

In an Arizona Republic interview after 9/11, he acknowledged once supporting Osama bin Laden through his mosque in Tucson. FBI investigators believe bin Laden set up a base in Tucson.

Hani Hanjour, who piloted the plane that hit the Pentagon, attended the Tucson mosque along with bin Laden's onetime personal secretary, according to the 9/11 Commission Report. Bin Laden's ex-logistics chief was president of the mosque before Shahin took over. "These people don't continue to come back to Arizona because they like the sunshine or they like the state," said FBI agent Kenneth Williams. "Something was established there, and it's been there for a long time." And Shahin appears to be in the middle of it.

CAIR asserts the imams are peace-loving patriots. "It's inappropriate to treat religious leaders that way," a spokesman said. Yeah, they all wear halos. Omar Abdul-Rahman, a blind sheikh, is serving a life term for plotting to blow up several New York landmarks. Imam Ali al-Timimi, a native Washingtonian, is also behind bars for soliciting local Muslims to kill fellow Americans. Imams in New York were recently busted for buying shoulder-fired missiles. Another in Lodi, Calif., planned an al-Qaida terror camp there.

We could go on and on. Imams or not, US Airways did right by its customers. Shahin is calling on Muslims to boycott the airline; that might actually work in its favor. US Airways has been flooded with calls from Americans saying it just became the safest airline.


Hear, hear.
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/28/2006 15:02 Comments || Top||

#13  Rep-elect Ellison is quckly making himself into a contrarian indicator.

It seems that they were trying to accomplish two goals. One is to make such a scene that they can get away with their BS next time. The other might be to feint by making people look for obvious behavior then try to sneak in under the radar by behaving "normally" next time.

In any case, I would call it a good "fishing expedition" because several of the patterns that airlines watch for have now been exposed. Good job, naive Americans. You've been duped. Again. I guess it's better than just putting all this stuff on the internet directly, but it's still way too easy to get you to give away every method you have. Now that they know what to avoid, what are you going to do next?
Posted by: gorb || 11/28/2006 15:19 Comments || Top||

#14  A search found no weapons or explosives, and they were released to continue on their journey.

IIRC, the next day they complained that they were trapped at the airport because nobody would let them fly on an airplane.

Do I remember correctly? Has this been addressed by the media yet?
Posted by: gorb || 11/28/2006 15:26 Comments || Top||

#15  The term "Islamophobic" is a misnomer designed as an insult to the character and intelligence of those who dare even question Moslems and their behavior, and/or potential threats by radical Moslems in order to eliminate resistance to Islam and the socio-political goals of radical Islam (which is primarily a political organization, rather than religious one).

The same tactic of labeling questionable behavior--so that eventually the mere questioning of it was tantamount "proof" of bigotry--was used by other groups seeking social change in this country. The Muzzies have seen it as successful, and are now copying it.

In reality, for someone to be actually "phobic," would indicate an actual clinical psychological disorder. By contrast, looking out for the safety of oneself or one's fellow passengers is simply common sense. Profiling makes such sense.

Notice the imam's cry of "we've been HUMILIATED," etc. Always the same story. They understand the moral structure of Americans to be a weakness they can exploit. This is what they really want:

"Us bad, bad, bad Americans. Who do we think we are? We're so sorry, Moslems of the world. Forgive us. You'll never hear criticism from us or be scrutinized by us again. You are free. You are welcome here. You are our masters . . . "
Posted by: ex-lib || 11/28/2006 15:55 Comments || Top||

#16  Couldn't they use the extenders as strangling weapons or to tie up the crew?
Posted by: MagnonMan || 11/28/2006 15:56 Comments || Top||

#17  The term "Islamophobic" is a misnomer

IIRC, this neologism was first created by the Mad Mullahs of the iranian revolution to slander their opponents : whomever opposed them was an ennemy of islam, and thius "islamophobic". This is a very charged word.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 11/28/2006 17:46 Comments || Top||

#18  Hi 'ya ex-lib!
You over slept? :>
Posted by: Shipman || 11/28/2006 18:18 Comments || Top||

#19  Gorb,
I don't think Americans have been duped at all. I think this shows they are becoming more aware of muzzie scum each day. I also think if security doesn't do its bit each and every day with these muzzies that its inevitable that people will:
1) Get off the plane if action is not taken
2) Take action into their own hands. At this point it would be difficult to predict outcome. But if a muzzie fatality would occur, no American jury would convict. That I'd be willing to bet. Attitudes are changing drastically, day by day.

Finally, anyone down Tucson way that likes to play with matches ?
Posted by: SpecOp35 || 11/28/2006 18:44 Comments || Top||

#20  Just using the term islamophobia is rhetorical trickery. When I hear that word, I smell B.S.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 11/28/2006 19:31 Comments || Top||

#21  Hi Shipman. : )
Posted by: ex-lib || 11/28/2006 22:26 Comments || Top||

#22  Good comments and material, folks. The muzzies are
1. Exploring the edge of the security envelope.
2. Stressing the security system to find weakness.
3. Intimidating the airlines and passengers.
4. Setting things up for future ops.
5. Weakening the resolve of the country.

If the government will not protect its citizens, the citizens will do it themselves. THAT is the bottom line. The government better get its head out of its collective a$$ and do its duty. When the people lead, the leaders will follow or get out of the way.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 11/28/2006 22:43 Comments || Top||


Court turns down New York Times in leak investigation
The Supreme Court ruled against The New York Times on Monday, refusing to block the government from reviewing the phone records of two Times reporters in a leak investigation of a terrorism-funding probe. The one-sentence order came in a First Amendment battle that involves stories written in 2001 by Times reporters Judith Miller and Philip Shenon. The stories revealed the government's plans to freeze the assets of two Islamic charities, the Holy Land Foundation and the Global Relief Foundation.

Like the CIA leak investigation into who in the Bush administration revealed the identity of Valerie Plame, the current Justice Department probe is being conducted by Patrick Fitzgerald, who is prosecuting Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff in the Plame case. In June 2005, the Supreme Court refused to take up the Times' request to hear an appeal in the Plame investigation. Fitzgerald was seeking to compel Miller, who retired from the Times a year ago, to reveal her sources in that case.

That leak probe led to Miller's jailing for 85 days before she eventually agreed to testify in Fitzgerald's investigation. Her testimony was crucial in the indictment of former vice presidential chief of staff I. Lewis Libby.

The current dispute stems from Shenon and Miller calling two charities for comment after learning of the planned freeze on their assets from confidential sources.

The Justice Department says the reporters' calls tipped off the charities of upcoming government raids. A federal judge who ruled in the Times' favor said there is no evidence in the case even suggesting that the reporters tipped off the charities about the raids or that the reporters even knew the government would raid either charity.

In August, the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled 2-1 that federal prosecutors could see the two reporters' phone records.

The government says the fact that the reporters relayed disclosures from a government source to "targets of an imminent law enforcement action substantially weakens any claim of freedom of the press."

At issue are 11 days of phone records the government plans to review in 2001 — for the dates Sept. 27-30, Dec. 1-3 and Dec. 10-13. In a declaration this month, Fitzgerald said the statute of limitations "on certain substantive offenses that the grand jury is investigating" will expire on Dec. 3 and Dec. 13 of this year.

The current leak probe is in Fitzgerald's capacity as U.S. attorney in Chicago. The Libby prosecution is in Fitzgerald's role as a special counsel who was selected by a Justice Department superior to conduct that particular investigation.
Posted by: Fred || 11/28/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  U.S. Attorney in Chicago used to be a stepping-stone to higher office in Illinois. Jim Thompson comes to mind.

Or was it some-other-kind-of-attorney?
Posted by: Bobby || 11/28/2006 6:04 Comments || Top||

#2  You are correct Bobby, but Fitzgerald was chosen (by former Senator Peter Fitzgerald [no relation] who was a maverick) specifically because he was an out-of-towner and therefore not beholden to the Illinois "combine". He's done a good job in Chicago prosecuting state and local officials.
Posted by: Spot || 11/28/2006 8:20 Comments || Top||


Phil Donahue Makes Anti-War Film
Posted by: Fred || 11/28/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Phil is still alive?

Is he still in that funny marriage with "That Girl" where he lives on one coast and she on the other?

Sort of like he doesn't have any testicles and never did?


Posted by: 3dc || 11/28/2006 0:37 Comments || Top||

#2  this is what you do when you've been fired by MSNBC for lack of viewers (even by their standards) and want to try to be relevant at your lefty cocktail parties. Are you paying attention, Olbermann?
Posted by: Frank G || 11/28/2006 0:55 Comments || Top||

#3  No kidding, Phil Donahue?
Well, it's not like he doesn't have plenty of time on his soft, effeminate hands.
Posted by: tu3031 || 11/28/2006 16:31 Comments || Top||

#4  Donahue always was big on self-righteous indignation--the ultimate LLL.
Posted by: JohnQC || 11/28/2006 18:13 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Islamic Jihad leader says Israeli fence is an "obstacle to the resistance"
Without it, he says, "the situation" would be "entirely different."

When Carter called it an "imprisonment wall," which side did he mean was imprisoned?

Fuck You, Jimmy Carter!
Posted by: danking_70 || 11/28/2006 16:57 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Good.
Posted by: gorb || 11/28/2006 17:51 Comments || Top||

#2  "Islamic Jihad leader says Israeli fence is an "obstacle to the resistance""

No shit???? Well golly, whoever could have predicted that? I'll be darned.

Damn bloody savages...
Posted by: Dave D. || 11/28/2006 18:06 Comments || Top||

#3  O.K. That's good info. Now let's build the fence on the Mexican border.
Posted by: JohnQC || 11/28/2006 18:08 Comments || Top||

#4  I've come up with several ideas of things that Israel could do at fairly low cost, that would solve many of their problems.

One is to float unmanned observation balloons at high enough altitude so that any obvious setting up of rocket sites can get accurate counter battery fire before they fire; and second, so that they would have a powerful local triangulation radar, to make it easier to shoot down any missile that does come over.

Second is to punish the Paleos every time they commit an act of violence by extending the wall around additional Paleo territory; buying it if necessary. This is gradualism that would eventually either force them to be peaceful or get out of the country.

Third is to nationalize all holy sites, so that no nation or religion can claim ownership of them. Nominal rental, and good behavior as a term of the lease.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 11/28/2006 19:23 Comments || Top||

#5  that's two affirmative votes - If both assholes, Carter and the IJ big, don't like it, it says they should build more.
Posted by: Frank G || 11/28/2006 19:24 Comments || Top||


1,400 Terrorists for Gilad Shalit?
by Hillel Fendel

Reports of an imminent prisoner-exchange deal are once again in the air. This time, they speak of up to 1,400 Arab terrorist prisoners going free in three stages, in return for Gilad Shalit.
??? I hope it's smoke and mirrors.
Egypt's Minister of Intelligence, Omar Suleimon, is scheduled to arrive in Israel within the next two days to finalize the details of the agreement. Egypt figures heavily in the deal: the abducted soldier Gilad Shalit is scheduled to be transferred to that country, and from there to Israel, as part of the deal.

The agreement under consideration stipulates the following three steps: An unknown number of Palestinian terrorists currently incarcerated in Israel for various crimes will be set free, immediately after which Corp. Shalit is to be transferred to Egypt. A second group of terrorists will then be freed, followed by Shalit's return to Israel. In the third stage, Israel will free a final group of terrorists.

Just yesterday, speaking at a memorial to David Ben-Gurion in Sde Boker, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert implied that terrorists would be freed only after the kidnapped soldier is returned home. "I hereby declare," he said, "that when Gilad Shalit is released and returned to his family, safe and sound, the Government of Israel will be willing to release many Palestinian prisoners – including ones who were sentenced to lengthy prison terms – in order to increase the trust between us and prove that our hand is truly extended in genuine peace."

That the agreement is reportedly close to fruition is due to a phone call between Olmert and Abu Mazen, an understanding between Abu Mazen and Hamas leader Ismail Haniye, and the fragile truce in Gaza reached this week between Hamas and Israel. However, similar agreements have reportedly been "nearly ready" several times in the past as well, yet did not materialize.

The identities of the terrorists to be freed are not yet known, nor whether Israel has agreed to the incessant PA demands to free convicted murderer Marwan Barghouti and the killers of Government Minister and former IDF General Rehavam Ze'evi.

The question of releasing hundreds of terrorists in exchange for kidnapped Israelis has long been a controversial one in Israel. IDF historian Meir Pa'il totally dismisses the theory that if Israel gives in to Hamas demands, terrorists will kidnap more Israelis. "It's important for every soldier and Israeli to know," Pa'il said, "that if he is taken captive, we'll do everything to redeem him."

Col. (ret.) Meir Indor of the Almagor Terror Victims Association retorts, "That's important, but it's also important for every soldier and every Israeli to know that he won't be the next candidate for kidnapping. The kidnappers must be dealt with forcefully."

Family members of Shalit, as well as those of Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev - two soldiers who were kidnapped by Hizbullah 4.5 months ago into Lebanon - have departed for Europe to lobby for their sons' release - or at least an initial sign that they are alive. No sign of life has been received from any of the three. The families will hold a public demonstration outside the European Parliament in Brussels, together with thousands of European Jews, on Wednesday.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 11/28/2006 11:05 || Comments || Link || [14 views] Top|| File under:

#1  If this is true, I imagine that the result will be that more will die than the one life "saved".

On its face, it doesn't make sense. Are there any mitigating factors? Have these terrorists been declawed somehow? Are their efforts going to help Israel agains Hezb'Allah or something? How does Israel end up with the balance being in its favor?

With leaders like Olmert, who needs terrorists?
Posted by: gorb || 11/28/2006 14:14 Comments || Top||

#2  Olmert may succeed where the Arabs have failed in making the US write off Israel. A nation that voluntary elects such self-destructive leadership may be beyond help and not worthy of our support.
Posted by: Whaising Glomoth9713 || 11/28/2006 16:43 Comments || Top||

#3  The US is about to the point where it should stop supporing itself, too. :-(
Posted by: gorb || 11/28/2006 17:54 Comments || Top||

#4  Get a grip, I've a theory that 'em IDF can whip A-ass even when snoozing.
Posted by: Shipman || 11/28/2006 18:22 Comments || Top||

#5  Now we know the "market price" for collateral damage vs. exposing troops to undue risk. Time to bring on the carpet bombing.
Posted by: Flish Uleregum9913 || 11/28/2006 18:51 Comments || Top||

#6  "Men are not potatoes".
Robert Heinlein Starship Troopers.
Posted by: gromgoru || 11/28/2006 21:31 Comments || Top||

#7  Okay, I'll bite, I may had missed it but what proof do the soldiers' families have that their loved ones are still alive???
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 11/28/2006 22:12 Comments || Top||


Palestinian English newspaper hits stands
RAMALLAH, West Bank -- The Palestine Times, the first English-language Palestinian daily newspaper since the Palestinian Authority was created in 1994, went on sale for the first time Monday.

"Maintaining our independence is the primary objective of our newspaper," editor in chief and one of the newspaper's proprietors, Othman Al Haj Mohammed told a news conference in Ramallah where the daily is based.
"Please don't kill us!"
The Palestine Times is the first foreign-language daily to appear in the Palestinian territories since the English-language Al Fajr went out of business in the 1990s. The newspaper, whose first edition was 12 pages in color, will also circulate in Israel.

Three Arabic-language newspapers are published daily in the Palestinian territories, Al Quds, Al Ayyam and Al Hayat Al Jadida.
They are online too: Palestine Times

Articles include "More Israeli Jews Choose Fascism," "Bush's Mendacious Democracy" and "America Courts 'thug' to stand up to Hamas."

According to their about us page, the rag is "issued in London temporarily."

Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 11/28/2006 00:18 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


AP: Olmert Urges Palestinians to Seek Peace
Prime Minister Ehud Olmert reached out to the Palestinians on Monday in one of his most conciliatory speeches yet, saying he was prepared to grant them a state, release desperately needed funds and free prisoners if they choose the path of peace.

Olmert's remarks sealed a dramatic policy shift and built on a day-old truce meant to end five months of violence in the Gaza Strip. But new rocket attacks by Palestinian militants threatened the latest rapprochement. "I hold out my hand in peace to our Palestinian neighbors in the hope that it won't be bitten off returned empty," Olmert said.

"We cannot change the past and we will not be able to bring back the victims on both sides of the borders," he said. "All that we can do today is stop additional tragedies."

Olmert appealed to the Palestinians to form a new, moderate Cabinet committed to carrying out a U.S.-backed peace plan and securing the release of a captured Israeli soldier. Once such a government was established, Olmert said, he would call for an immediate meeting with the moderate Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, "to have a real, open, honest, serious dialogue between us."

Palestinian legislator Saeb Erekat, a top Abbas aide, said the Palestinians were ready to negotiate a final peace deal. "I believe Mr. Olmert knows he has a partner, and that is President Abbas. He knows that to achieve peace and security for all, we need to shoot for the end game," Erekat said.

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Posted by: gorb || 11/28/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  So Olmert is a complete and total idiot?
Posted by: 3dc || 11/28/2006 0:31 Comments || Top||

#2  What ever this fool is smoking we need to get some to the Iranians too. This man is out of touch with reality.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 11/28/2006 1:13 Comments || Top||

#3  He should just turn off the water and power.
Done!
Posted by: 3dc || 11/28/2006 1:24 Comments || Top||

#4  SPoD, more like a heavy koolaid drinker.
Posted by: twobyfour || 11/28/2006 5:24 Comments || Top||

#5  "AP: Olmert Urges Palestinians To Save His Job"

fixed.
Posted by: Charles || 11/28/2006 8:45 Comments || Top||

#6  his red lines are good. This gives Abbas no excuse to not negotiate, the euros no excuse to not keep up the boycott of Hamas. Latest headline is that even Abbas is giving up on talking to Hamas, and may form a govt without them. Its also the beginning of an alliance among Israel, Jordan, Egypt, the Gulfies directed against Iran.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 11/28/2006 14:39 Comments || Top||

#7  LH, I hope you're right.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 11/28/2006 14:53 Comments || Top||

#8  Why should only Muzzies be allowed taquia?
Posted by: gromgoru || 11/28/2006 21:33 Comments || Top||


Sides work on extending cease-fire to West Bank
Confidants of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas are in "constant contact" trying to reach an agreement to expand the cease-fire in Gaza to include the West Bank, senior government sources said Monday evening. The comments came hours after Olmert, in a speech at David Ben-Gurion's grave in Sde Boker marking the 33rd anniversary of his death, defined the concessions Israel would be willing to make were the Palestinians to end terrorism, give up demands for a right of refugee return and free captive soldier Cpl. Gilad Shalit. The comments also came hours after two Kassam rockets were fired at the Western Negev, yet again shattering the cease-fire.
The fire hasn't ceased, but they're working on extending it. Whatever it is.
Nevertheless, during his speech at Sde Boker, Olmert expressed hope that the Gaza cease-fire agreement would be the start of a much wider process. "I come today, from here, near the tomb of David Ben-Gurion, to suggest to you a different path," he said, addressing the Palestinians, "a path that offers a chance for a different future, for you and for us. We started it the day before yesterday."
Posted by: Fred || 11/28/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:


Palestinians: Right of return is sacred
The Palestinian Authority on Monday gave a lukewarm reaction to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's offer to withdraw from large parts of the West Bank and return to the negotiating table, while Hamas described the statements as a "conspiracy."

"Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's statements are not in accordance with the road map and the [2002] Arab peace initiative," said Nabil Abu Rudaineh, a spokesman for PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas. "We want the implementation of the United Nations resolutions concerning the establishment of a Palestinian state within the territories that were occupied in 1967. With regards to the issue of the refugees, we want a solution based on United Nations resolution 194."

Abu Rudaineh added that the Palestinians remain committed only to the road map and the Arab peace initiative as the only way to achieve peace in the Middle East. "The only way to achieve peace is by implementing the road map and the Arab peace initiative, and not by coming up with new initiatives," he said. "We need serious negotiations and actions, not only words."

Syria-based Musa Abu Marzouk, the No. 2 man in the Hamas leadership, said the right of return for the refugees is "sacred" for all Palestinians. "The Palestinian people will never give up this sacred right," he said. "Our people have been fighting for 58 years to achieve the right of return for all those who were expelled from their homeland. We reject any deal that does not recognize the right of return."

Taysir Khaled, member of the PLO executive committee and a representative of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, said the content of Olmert's speech reflected a hard-line stance. "How can Olmert ask the Palestinians to renounce their right to resist the occupation?" he asked, referring to Olmert's call for ending Palestinian terror. "We also don't understand his demand that the Palestinians give up the right of return for the refugees and form a unity government according to conditions set by the US and Israel."
Posted by: Fred || 11/28/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Sacred refers to religion not where you live.
What a jerk.
Posted by: 3dc || 11/28/2006 0:39 Comments || Top||

#2  Israel needs defense in depth. Any pullback, in face of Islamofascist aggression, is suicidal.
Posted by: Sneaze Shaiting3550 || 11/28/2006 0:46 Comments || Top||

#3  Paleos have a right to return to Jordan. That's where you came from. Head back, if they'll take you.
Posted by: SpecOp35 || 11/28/2006 0:50 Comments || Top||

#4  the right of return for the refugees is "sacred" for all Palestinians.

Ho hum, just another impossible-to-meet-criteria that prolongs this interminable travesty. What about compensation for all the Jews who were forced to flee to Israel from surrounding Arab nations? Two can play that game.

More than anything, the Palestinians need to remember that many of their forbearers voluntarily abandoned their property, believing that they would be returning in a short while to resume ownership of not just their own estates but those of the ejected Jews.

Funny how things didn't turn out that way. Now they want to play crybaby and pretend that all of them were forced off of their land at gun point. Wah! Wah!

Cry me a fucking river and fill it with fucking herring.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/28/2006 1:16 Comments || Top||

#5  I wonder what would happen if the US said "the right of return is B.S."
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 11/28/2006 2:08 Comments || Top||

#6  If the "Right of Return" is sacred, then Christians should be able to reclaim all of the Middle East that was taken by force by Islamic armies during the Dark Ages. These creatures continue to rant against Crusaders, but Crusaders were merely Christians trying to exercise their right of return to the holiest places in Christendom.

Muslims play on the stupidity of Western intellectuals who allow them to do more or less what they want because they consider muslims to be inferior and disadvantaged. If the West wants to survive, it needs to reassert its worth, values, and rights. Basically, the West needs to begin rolling back the malign influence of Islam. If that means eradicating Islamics that oppose the West, so be it.
Posted by: RWV || 11/28/2006 7:51 Comments || Top||

#7  right of return for all those who were expelled from their homeland
Ha! What about those who fled because the Arab states told them to? All they've been given by their Arab "brothers" is squalid refugee camps.
Posted by: Spot || 11/28/2006 8:27 Comments || Top||

#8  Anyone old enough to actually have the "Right to return" doesn't want to go back I bet. It's these terrorists that are in there 20's, who have lived there all their life, that want the returning. Arabs who aren't even RELATED to those who lived there will come pouring in, probably with promises of riches or glory or just plain shipped out at gunpoint. Victory by Over-population is what this strategy is called.
Posted by: Charles || 11/28/2006 8:48 Comments || Top||

#9  Right after the Silesian and Sudeten Germans get their right of return. Got a couple years on the Paleos. Chances of that happening - zero to none.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 11/28/2006 10:08 Comments || Top||

#10  Jordan's King is getting nervous that the Israelis will finally gather the courage to expel the muzzies. He gave a speech where he said Jordan won't accept is former citizens. Brotherly love, muslim style.
Posted by: ed || 11/28/2006 10:15 Comments || Top||

#11  I demand my right of return to Saint Sophia along with the rest of Constantinople. I demand my right of return to a Templar fortress in Jerusalem. I demand my right of return to the days of five dollars a barrel oil.
Posted by: Excalibur || 11/28/2006 11:02 Comments || Top||

#12  Our people have been fighting for 58 years to achieve the right of return for all those who were expelled from their homeland.

This is a crock of sh$$. The Jews begged the palestinians not to leave, but the Mufti of Jerusalem told them to get out, so the Arab armies could crush "Israel" once and for all. They still haven't managed. Hamas and the Palestinian Authority will do ANYTHING to destroy Israel, include lie through their teeth about anything and everything. Israel needs to end this farce by totally crushing all "palestinian" organizations and their supporters. Yesterday. With whatever it takes, including nukes.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 11/28/2006 14:29 Comments || Top||

#13  the right of return for the refugees is "sacred" for all Palestinians

If you were a Palestinian, and you had no brain, you would look at this and use it as a substitute for thinking. The "secret code" that the US was so worried about being embedded in terrorist isn't so secret. The message is right there for all to see. They want everyone to get all pi$$ed off whenever this "right" is challenged in order to create more seething.

Propagating the hate.
Posted by: gorb || 11/28/2006 18:01 Comments || Top||

#14  He (Jordan's King) gave a speech where he said Jordan won't accept is former citizens.

IIRC, the Paleos have already been kicked out of Jordan once before for bad behavior. I can understand why none of their arab brothers want them. Better to have fire ants.
Posted by: SteveS || 11/28/2006 18:20 Comments || Top||

#15  As someone once posted here, long ago, when I first started readin' the 'burg, in what other freakin' war has the loosing side not only lost, but moved out and then DEMANDED a "right" to return?

WWII, we took over large parts of Germany, Japan and other areas and ran it for them for YEARS. And, previous to the 20th century, pretty much ALL wars were landgrabs, where the defeated either molded into the conquerors' society (at the same location) or left their "homeland" in search of greener pastures, never to return. The Paleos are the Je$$e Jackson/Al $harptons of the Arab world. Nothing but tools and shakedown artists.
Posted by: BA || 11/28/2006 21:00 Comments || Top||


Oron, Barghouti held talks
Channel 2 revealed on Monday night that one of the channels of dialogue that helped bring about the cease-fire came through Meretz MK Haim Oron, who delivered messages from the Prime Minister's Office to imprisoned Fatah leader Marwan Barghouti.

Oron would not confirm or deny the report but a source close to him said he has been meeting regularly for two years with Barghouti, who is serving a life sentence for his role in murdering Israelis during the second Intifada. The source said Oron on several occasions delivered messages back and forth between Barghouti and his predecessor, Ariel Sharon. For instance, Barghouti was involved in shaping what became known as "the Palestinian prisoners document," and he asked Oron to relay its details to the Prime Minister's Office. A spokesman for Olmert, however, said that the Prime Minister did not need Oron to deliver messages to Barghouti.
Posted by: Fred || 11/28/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:


Peretz, Rice, Egyptians talk about cease-fire
Defense Minister Amir Peretz had a telephone conversation Monday evening with US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and with Egyptian intelligence chief Omar Suleiman. Government sources said that the conversations centered on the cease-fire and ways to maintain it.
Posted by: Fred || 11/28/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:


Ariel: Olmert handing out gifts to terror groups
MK Uri Ariel (National Union-NRP) said Monday in response to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's speech, in which Olmert said that Israel would concede "large territories" for peace, that "the prime minister persisted in [his] delusions and empty tricks."

"[Olmert] is once against handing out gifts to terror organizations that are growing stronger. He isn't prepared to take the lessons of disengagement and the Lebanon War to heart. The residents of Sderot can testify as to the character of the state that [Olmert] is building next door."
Posted by: Fred || 11/28/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Hope these feelings become a storm that CONSUME Olmert and Peretz alive.
Posted by: Charles || 11/28/2006 8:50 Comments || Top||


Marzel: 'The PM is a traitor and an idiot'
"The prime minister is both a traitor and an idiot," right-wing activist and Jewish National Front Party Chairman Baruch Marzel said on Monday following Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's speech in which he said that Israel would be willing to withdraw from a great deal of territory in return for true peace with the Palestinians. "It is astonishing to see how a man doesn't learn form his own mistakes and continues to lead Israel into an abyss," said Marzel.
Posted by: Fred || 11/28/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Marzel appears to be correct.
Posted by: 3dc || 11/28/2006 0:35 Comments || Top||

#2  on both counts. J'accuse!
Posted by: Frank G || 11/28/2006 0:39 Comments || Top||

#3  Adding in his previous incompetence with the Hezbo's, that's strike three.
Posted by: Phineter Thraviger || 11/28/2006 0:49 Comments || Top||

#4  I think the poor fool has lost control of his senses. Or, he's been talking to Peres. same thing. This foolery has been done before. You got kicked smack in the jewels for the effort. Why repeat ? Are you masochistic ?
Posted by: SpecOp35 || 11/28/2006 0:53 Comments || Top||

#5  It's baffling, what does this tool think he is doing? A total failure to grasp reality must pervade his mind and the minds of those around him.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 11/28/2006 1:11 Comments || Top||

#6  By Einstein's definition, the current Israeli leaders are completely insane. They continue to do the same thing, over and over, expecting a different result. Why are they still in power?
Posted by: PBMcL || 11/28/2006 1:32 Comments || Top||

#7  Okay, let me get this straight.

Israel has been under siege, literally since day 1 -- that's two generations now -- by armed thugs who repeatedly declare their intention to conquer the whole of Israel, killing every last Jew in the process. These thugs have backed up those declarations with several real and bloody attempts that could well have succeeded if Arabs had any skill, or if Israelis did not.

When conventional means failed to conquer Israel and drive the Jews into the sea, these thugs switched over to terrorist tactics that have killed thousands of Israelis (not to mention their own). Indiscriminate guerilla warfare continues against Israeli persons on Israeli soil no matter what Israel does or doesn't do.

After 30 years, it is abundantly, incontrovertibly clear, by Paleos' word and deed, that their problem is that Israel exists.

I can *almost* understand not being able to see this, because for many years I didn't. One reason is that it's difficult for civilized people to grasp that a large number of people unabashedly want to see the Holocaust finished; and this is where I can *almost* see Olmert coming from.

Almost, because this refusal to acknowledge and confront evil, this naive moral optimism, was a huge contributing factor in the deaths of so many Jews. One would think that this lesson, still within living memory, would have to be the bare minimum requirement to hold office in Israel, right after having a pulse.

So in negotiating with Paleos (which is an idiotic idea to begin with, like negotiating with Nazis), do I understand correctly that Olmert thinks that some piece of land, that is less than the entire state of Israel, will actually end the jihad?

How can he, or any Israeli leader, not see that the only "deal" that will satisfy the Paleos is to hand over Israel in its entirety and pack every last Israeli off to some other corner of the world? In fact, I'm not sure anything less than total extermination would do it; and even then, the jihadis will only demand someone else's extermination next, like Hindus or Christians.

Am I missing something here? It's just impossible for me to grasp how Israel can simultaneously be surrounded on all sides for 60 years by frothing, armed, implacable assholes with plenty of foreign backing and a nearly limitless supply of expendable fighters -- yet here's Olmert, clinging to the delusion that some concession less than the total annihilation of his country and everyone in it will somehow magically bring peace.

Hmm. I guess that's why he's a traitor and an idiot.
Posted by: exJAG || 11/28/2006 7:28 Comments || Top||

#8  "After 30 years, it is abundantly, incontrovertibly clear, by Paleos' word and deed, that their problem is that Israel exists."

No, exJAG, the problem is that the Paleos exist. What would happen if tomorrow Israel ceased to exist? Would the unified Gaza-West Bank-Israel as Judenrein 'Palestine' mean peace? Or just continued gang war with different victims?
Posted by: Glenmore || 11/28/2006 7:40 Comments || Top||

#9  Then the problem would revert to their history of colonialist occupation.
Posted by: Fred || 11/28/2006 7:47 Comments || Top||

#10  I was discussing it only from the standpoint of Israel's defense, but yes, Glenmore, I agree. When I go beyond that and explore why Paleos have a problem with Israel's existence, I find the same putrid dung heap I always find when I go asking why: Islam.
Posted by: exJAG || 11/28/2006 7:57 Comments || Top||

#11  Maybe he's trying for a Nobel Peace Prize. That usually requires acting against the interests of the US, Israel, and civilization in general.
Posted by: Jackal || 11/28/2006 8:16 Comments || Top||

#12  Yep, exJag, root cause analysis leads to Islam.
Posted by: Glenmore || 11/28/2006 8:45 Comments || Top||

#13  But isn't this the way with Leftists? If something does not work, obviously, either the wrong people were in charge or we just didn't do enough of what didn't work. It cannot possibly be that the idea is in error! Mentally retarded idiots, there should be a bounty on all Leftists.

Midnight basketball, anyone?

Posted by: Mick Dundee || 11/28/2006 9:55 Comments || Top||

#14  Mentally retarded idiots, there should be a bounty on all Leftists.

Coming soon to a theater near you.
Posted by: SR-71 || 11/28/2006 10:46 Comments || Top||

#15  The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results....

Liberals are truly insane.
Posted by: DarthVader || 11/28/2006 13:55 Comments || Top||

#16  "It's just impossible for me to grasp how Israel can simultaneously be surrounded on all sides for 60 years by frothing, armed, implacable assholes with plenty of foreign backing and a nearly limitless supply of expendable fighters -- yet here's Olmert, clinging to the delusion that some concession less than the total annihilation of his country and everyone in it will somehow magically bring peace."

Yeah, I don't get it either. Here, Hillary Clinton wants to go and "talk" to the Iranians--like it would make a difference. Wonder how she'll feel after kissing Iranian ass.

Posted by: MagnonMan || 11/28/2006 16:04 Comments || Top||

#17  Here, Hillary Clinton wants to go and "talk" to the Iranians--like it would make a difference. Wonder how she'll feel after kissing Iranian ass.

Better get used to it boys and girls. It's what Democrats do.
Posted by: SR-71 || 11/28/2006 17:23 Comments || Top||


UK foreign secretary welcomes ME ceasefire
UK Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett on Monday welcomed the announcement of a ceasefire between Israel and the Palestinians. "I welcome the mutual ceasefire in Gaza between the Palestinians and Israel and the public commitments of Prime Minister Olmert and President Abbas to make it work," Beckett said in a statement. "It is crucial that all sides do what is necessary to sustain the ceasefire because, as recent events have demonstrated, it is civilians who suffer most through violence," she continued.
Ummm... Y'don't think it'd be appropriate if one of the sides actually ceased firing, do you?
The British foreign secretary went on to say that all sides need to use this opportunity to take measures to restore confidence and return to the Roadmap.
Posted by: Fred || 11/28/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  In related news: The Labour cabinet along with most of the British Establishment are dolts.
Posted by: Excalibur || 11/28/2006 11:04 Comments || Top||

#2  Peace in our time, eh, Margie?
Posted by: tu3031 || 11/28/2006 16:36 Comments || Top||


Olde Tyme Religion
Pope caves
Pope Benedct, pursuing a journey of fence-mending with Islam and Turkey, on Wednesday pays tribute to one of Christianity's most revered sites before heading to Istanbul, city at the crossroads of Europe and Asia.

During the first day of his delicate trip to the predominantly Muslim country on Tuesday, Benedict quickly set to work trying to soothe still simmering rows over his positions on Islam and Turkey's future role in Europe.

Erdogan appeared to have no doubts that Benedict had changed his stand from 2004, when he told a French newspaper before he was elected Pope that Turkey would be "in permanent contrast to Europe" if it joined.

Erdogan, who began his career in Islamic politics, added: "The most important message the Pope gave was toward Islam, he reiterated his view of Islam as peaceful and affectionate."
Not good signs.
Posted by: Spot || 11/28/2006 20:36 || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Pope caves? Doubtful

All we've heard is Erdogan's take.

The bulk of Benedict's writing says otherwise.
Posted by: Pappy || 11/28/2006 20:52 Comments || Top||

#2  "he reiterated his view of Islam as peaceful and affectionate."

-maybe he just meant in theory vice in practice.
Posted by: Broadhead6 || 11/28/2006 20:53 Comments || Top||

#3  a book is peaceful and affectionate. The practitioners of teh informnation it contains may not be. I don't understand why so many are eager to bash this pope and his pushback against Islamofascism. Are you not happy that he doesn't send B52's on an arclight mission? Idiots? What're your efforts beside commenting here? He's putting his life on the line. You may not agree with the pace, but again, what have you done, or what would you do?
Posted by: Frank G || 11/28/2006 21:45 Comments || Top||

#4  It's a Reuters story for Pete's sake, folks. Don't blow your binnacles. He is giving them his best reconciling shot. I have a feeling that events will change us all, in due time. Pope Benedict is not a dhimmi.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 11/28/2006 22:28 Comments || Top||

#5  Pope caves!?!?

Isn't the Pope a bit old for spelunking?

Posted by: Mick Dundee || 11/28/2006 22:53 Comments || Top||

#6  Images matter. What doesn't matter is if he were "nuanced" or reasonable in actuality. That kind of talk is over their heads anyway. He's presenting the image of giving in to muzzie pressure and that will only embolden the islamonuts. It doesn't take much for them to claim victory.
Posted by: Spot || 11/28/2006 23:00 Comments || Top||

#7  Wait a minute, Spot. This is Reuters, and they're quoting that weasel Erdogan. Tomorrow another news source will probably have a completely different take on this.
Posted by: Swamp Blondie || 11/28/2006 23:22 Comments || Top||


Former Marseilles Mufti Soheib Bencheikh: Islam Must Be Criticized, Just as Christianity Was
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 11/28/2006 09:03 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  That statement will earn him a Islamic death mark.
Posted by: DarthVader || 11/28/2006 9:48 Comments || Top||

#2  No wonder he is a former Mufti. If a serving Mufti said this he would be lynched within hours.

This guy might live for years protected by civil authorities.
Posted by: mhw || 11/28/2006 14:32 Comments || Top||


Science & Technology
DefenseTech: Pimp My Gunship
Article about direct-energy weapons for gunships
Posted by: Free Radical || 11/28/2006 01:23 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Death rays! This is soooo cool.
Posted by: Mike || 11/28/2006 10:58 Comments || Top||

#2  Sweet.
Posted by: Excalibur || 11/28/2006 11:05 Comments || Top||

#3  It wouldn't take very long to pop corn with one of them.
Posted by: BrerRabbit || 11/28/2006 11:12 Comments || Top||

#4  Read the comments, too! This story seems to have been put together based on press releases. There are many technological hurdles remaining, and some practical limitations, too. Rain, fog, sand, etc impose limitations on their use.
Posted by: gorb || 11/28/2006 13:39 Comments || Top||

#5  Rain, fog, sand, etc. impose limitations on conventional weapons (and the good ol' Mark I human eyeball) too.
Posted by: Parabellum || 11/28/2006 19:44 Comments || Top||


Sri Lanka
Ceasefire has become defunct: LTTE chief
In his `Heroes Day' address on Monday, LTTE chief Velupillai Prabakaran left no one in doubt that the Norwegian brokered Ceasefire Agreement (CFA) of 2002 and negotiations were a thing of the past. "It is now crystal clear that the Sinhala leaders will never put forward a just resolution to the Tamil national question. Therefore, we are not prepared to place our trust in the impossible and walk along the same old futile path."
The solution to the "Tamil national question" that Super Mario has in mind is digesting a portion of the Sinhala homeland.
Mr. Prabakaran spoke of what he characterised as "the unchanging attitude of successive Sinhala regimes towards resolving the burning Tamil national question and, in particular, the deceitful handling of the current peace efforts by three successive Sinhala regimes."
That unchanging attitude has been "why should we let a bunch of outsiders immigrate and then take over?" Having lived in both Texas and California, I can see their point.
"At this historic time when the Tamils are recommencing their journey on the path of freedom we seek the unwavering support and assistance of the world Tamil community. We express our gratitude to Tamil Nadu people and leaders for voicing their support and ask them to continue their efforts to help us in our freedom struggle. We express our gratitude to the Tamil diaspora, our displaced brethren living all around the world, for their contribution to our struggle and ask them to maintain their unwavering participation and support."

The Government of Sri Lanka appeared unperturbed at Mr. Prabakaran's speech. "Last year Mr. Prabakaran gave one-year time to the Rajapaksa Government, but on the ground the LTTE resumed military attacks within two weeks. We can't be bothered about speeches. The Government is committed to finding a political solution to the ethnic problem," Sri Lankan Minister and Defence spokesman Keheliya Rambukwellatold The Hindu .

Mr. Prabakaran said the endeavour of the All Parties Conference (APC) to find a solution to the ethnic problem was like "searching for a black cat in a dark room." The Rajapaksa regime hoped to decide the fate of the "Tamil nation using its military power." It hoped to occupy Tamil land, and then force an unacceptable solution on the Tamils.
Adopting Sinhalese customs and identity doesn't make it, does it?
Posted by: Fred || 11/28/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Iran to host Holocaust conference
Iran, which disputes that Jews were slaughtered by the Nazis, is to hold a conference next month to allow historians to clarify "hidden angles" of the Holocaust, the foreign ministry has revealed.

The December 11 and 12 international gathering aims to "create opportunities ... for a suitable scientific research so the hidden and unhidden angles of this most important political issue of the 20th century become more transparent," said a statement on the Iranian foreign ministry's website.

Iran's fiercely anti-Israeli regime is supportive of so-called Holocaust revisionists, who maintain that the systematic slaughter by the Nazis of mainland Europe's Jews and other groups during World War II was either invented or exaggerated.

The event is organized by the ministry's Institute for Political and International Studies (IPIS) which has called on researchers and lecturers to take part in the conference. The gathering, titled "Study of Holocaust: A Global Perspective", has been scheduled to coincide with international Human Rights Day on December 10, it said. "This conference fully respects the Jewish religion and is away from politicization and propaganda," the statement said.

Topics include "anti-Semitism, Nazism and Zionism: collaboration or animosity; the concept of Holocaust and its roots; views of revisionists; denial or admittance of gas chambers," it added. "The laws against those who deny Holocaust and killing of the Palestinians," are also to be discussed.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has prompted international anger by dismissing the Holocaust as a "myth" used to justify the creation of Israel. In mid-August, Tehran staged an international contest of cartoons on the Holocaust, in response to the publication in Western papers last September of controversial caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 11/28/2006 14:43 || Comments || Link || [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  If this weren't so despicably evil it would be funny.

\A sage Rantburger.
Posted by: ed || 11/28/2006 14:56 Comments || Top||

#2  Wouldn't this be a good time to bomb them?
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 11/28/2006 16:06 Comments || Top||

#3  "#2 Wouldn't this be a good time to bomb them?"
I think that the proper answer is ANYTIME would be a good time to bomb them.
Posted by: Oregonian || 11/28/2006 16:41 Comments || Top||

#4  By all means; let's bomb them.
Posted by: Excalibur || 11/28/2006 16:45 Comments || Top||

#5  Iran to host Holocaust conference

Is this going to be one of those multi-track how-to technical seminars?
Posted by: xbalanke || 11/28/2006 17:02 Comments || Top||

#6  Yeah. They have to wait until their Proper Aircraft Safety and Maintenance Convention clears out of the hall...
Posted by: tu3031 || 11/28/2006 17:12 Comments || Top||

#7  Wouldn't this be a good time to bomb them?

Yes. This guarantees that the US will not do anything at that time.

The Israelis, however . . . . :-)
Posted by: gorb || 11/28/2006 17:53 Comments || Top||

#8  They would host another Holocaust if they could.
Posted by: JohnQC || 11/28/2006 18:06 Comments || Top||

#9  They will launch one as soon as they can...
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 11/28/2006 19:16 Comments || Top||

#10  Perhaps this is a subtle way in which Iran realizes its own holocaust in coming sooner than expected.

Think Israel will sit on its ass and await another genocide? Well, yes if the Olmert government remains; however, Israelis will soon figure that one out and elect a government with real guts. You watch.
Posted by: Lancasters Over Dresden || 11/28/2006 22:39 Comments || Top||


Iran: Khamenei Tells Talabani US Troops Must Leave Iraq
Tehran, 28 Nov. (AKI) - Iran's supreme leader Ali Khamenei told Iraqi president Jalal Talabani on Tuesday that US-led forces must leave Iraq for violence to end in the country. "The first step to solve the security issue in Iraq is the exit of the occupiers from this country and leaving the security issues to the people-based Iraqi government,"
Followed by steps 2,3,4,...
Khamenei was quoted as saying by Iranian state television. Talabani, who speaks Farsi, was also scheduled to meet Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for a second time on Tuesday, reportedly to discuss trade and energy agreements
(see steps 2,3,4,... above) .
Western powers have repeatedly accused Iran of actively promoting sectarian conflict in Iraq - a charge denied by Tehran.
Same old song
Talabani told reporters after landing in Tehran Monday for the two-day visit: "We need Iran's comprehensive help to fight terrorism, restore security and stabilize Iraq."
Looks like they got the natural gas thing going
The Iraqi president, whose Patriotic Union of Kurdistan had in the past been backed by Iran, was supposed to travel to Iran on Saturday but the visit was postponed because of the security clampdown imposed across Baghdad after Sunni insurgents killed more than 200 people in Sadr City on Thursday in the deadliest attack by militants since the US-led war began in March 2003.
Posted by: mrp || 11/28/2006 09:41 || Comments || Link || [14 views] Top|| File under:

#1  So Ali Khamenei is admitting that he is responsible for all the killings and violence in Iraq right?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 11/28/2006 12:05 Comments || Top||

#2  Move the troops over to Iran maybe? :-)
Posted by: gorb || 11/28/2006 13:26 Comments || Top||

#3  Hmm.... move the troops from Iraq to Iran and from Afghanistan to NW PakiWakiLand and let Israel take out Syria.

Oh and take out that 40km x 10km strip of land of Saudi Arabia which is funding all the terrorist organizations. Hell we'll be accused of blood for oil anyway we may as well get something out of it....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 11/28/2006 18:41 Comments || Top||

#4  I'm intrigued by this kabuki dance we are seeing in which Talabani goes to Iran at the same time Maliki goes to Jordan...Iran demands US withdrawal while the UNSC re-ups the commitment for another year. It feels as if something major is going to unwind in the next few months. Are things coming to a head or is it just me? W. the president and prime minister gone, would this not be the perfect time to install a government in exile and wack Al Sadr?

Posted by: mjh || 11/28/2006 20:10 Comments || Top||

#5  Various Bloggers > SADDAM may need to be saved from execution becuz the SHIA-SUNNI VIOLENCE in iraq shows = proves that Muslims can only be effectively handled/governed thru MUSLIM/ISLAM-SPECIFIC TYRANNY, OPPRESSION + DESPOTISM, NOT DEMOCRACY AS PER THE WESTERN TRADITIONS. In short, BACK-TO-THE-FUTURE 1980's > the USA-West ironically needs Saddam to kill everybody + espec to save Iraq-ME from Iran. PRAVDA,ru approxi/roughly agrees.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 11/28/2006 22:44 Comments || Top||


Amin Gemayel: We can't afford civil war
Then surrender to Hezbollah, 'cause it looks like that's the alternative.
Posted by: Fred || 11/28/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  That's the neat thing about war, it happens whether you are prepared or not.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 11/28/2006 15:36 Comments || Top||


Bolton: Future of Lebanon 'may well be decided' in days
The Bush administration is facing a foreign policy crisis in Lebanon where the Iran-backed Hizbullah and Syria threaten to topple the weakened democratic government in Beirut. "The future of the Middle East, certainly the future of Lebanon may well be decided in the next several days," U.S. envoy to the United Nations John Bolton told BBC radio. "A successful re-emergence of democracy there is being directly challenged by the terrorist Hizbullah and those who support them, Syria, Iran and others."
Sadly, things are't looking good at this point.
Posted by: Fred || 11/28/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Future of Lebanon was decided in 1920es.
Posted by: gromgoru || 11/28/2006 21:38 Comments || Top||


Emile receives Hariri tribunal accord
The Cabinet sent to the president Monday a draft accord on a tribunal to try the alleged killers of former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri, taking another step in the struggle between pro-Western and pro-Syrian forces in Lebanon.

President Emile Lahoud, a pro-Syrian, is expected to decline to endorse the agreement, which would set up a UN backed court that would sit outside Lebanon. The tribunal has become a weapon in the battle by Hizbullah and its Shiite ally, the Amal Movement, to increase their share of the Cabinet from five to eight seats, which would give them veto powers. Six Cabinet ministers, including all the Shiites, resigned from the Cabinet earlier this month shortly before the government gave initial approval to the tribunal.
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Home Front: Culture Wars
'Nativity' Booted From Ill. Christmas Holiday Fair
CHICAGO (AP) - A public Christmas festival is no place for the Christmas story, the city says. Officials have asked organizers of a downtown Christmas festival, the German Christkindlmarket, to reconsider using a movie studio as a sponsor because it is worried ads for its film "The Nativity Story" might offend non-Christians.
Of course talking about Mo-ham-head during Ramadan would never offend non-muslims.....
New Line Cinema, which said it was dropped, had planned to play a loop of the new film on televisions at the event. The decision had both the studio and a prominent Christian group shaking their heads.

"The last time I checked, the first six letters of Christmas still spell out Christ," said Paul Braoudakis, spokesman for the Barrington, Ill.-based Willow Creek Association, a group of more than 11,000 churches of various denominations. "It's tantamount to celebrating Lincoln's birthday without talking about Abraham Lincoln."

He also said that there is a nativity scene in Daley Plaza - and that some vendors at the festival sell items related to the nativity.

The city does not want to appear to endorse one religion over another, said Cindy Gatziolis, a spokeswoman for the Mayor's Office of Special Events. She acknowledged there is a nativity scene, but also said there will be representations of other faiths, including a Jewish menorah, all put up by private groups. She stressed that the city did not order organizers to drop the studio as a sponsor.
And the public beheadings to celebrate Islam are to die for!
"Our guidance was that this very prominently placed advertisement would not only be insensitive to the many people of different faiths who come to enjoy the market for its food and unique gifts, but also it would be contrary to acceptable advertising standards suggested to the many festivals holding events on Daley Plaza," Jim Law, executive director of the office, said in a statement.

Officials with the German American Chamber of Commerce of the Midwest, which has organized the event for several years, did not immediately return calls for comment. The festival started Thursday.

An executive vice president with New Line Cinema, Christina Kounelias, said the studio's plan to spend $12,000 in Chicago was part of an advertising campaign around the country. Kounelias said that as far as she knew, the Chicago festival was the only instance where the studio was turned down.

Kounelias said she finds it hard to believe that non-Christians who attended something called Christkindlmarket would be surprised or offended by the presence of posters, brochures and other advertisements of the movie.
Face it Kounelias - Its not the non-christians - its the Muslims
"One would assume that if (people) were to go to Christkindlmarket, they'd know it is about Christmas," she said.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 11/28/2006 18:29 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  That's it guys we have lost the war. Now they want to take Christ out of Christmas. Cindy Gatziolis needs to pull real hard on her ears until she hears a "pop".
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 11/28/2006 18:52 Comments || Top||

#2  Not just the moslems, CF. There are also groups of the Perennially Indignant and Christophobic atheists, who provide the ACLU with so much of its work.
Posted by: Jackal || 11/28/2006 19:10 Comments || Top||

#3  Iff I understood correctly the anti-Movie guy on FOX this AM, its NOT enuff for PRIVATE CITIZENS to have religious symbols ON THEIR OWN PRIVATE PROPERTY, THEY ALSO CAN'T = MUST NOT HAVE "TOO MANY" SYMBOLS!? Once again, more proof that 9-11 + WOT is about Radical Islam, and ONLY Radical Islam NOT SSSSSHHHHHHHHHH Clintonian Hated Nazi/Fascist = Defective/Errorful but Well-Meaning Limited Commie Amerika and our country's sacred Sacred SACRED S-A-C-R-E-D, D *** You, National Communist-Socialist mainstream. ROBIN WILLIAMS > "CCCCCCCCCCCCCCC......@[Correctness]".
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 11/28/2006 20:56 Comments || Top||

#4  Well, since the goofballs want to take the Christ out of Christmas are we supposed to start calling it just plain "Mas" from now on?
Posted by: Broadhead6 || 11/28/2006 20:59 Comments || Top||

#5  If you're offended by the idea of a nativity, STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH CHRISTMAS!!!

Damn, I hate idiots.
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 11/28/2006 21:33 Comments || Top||



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