A new Yemeni opposition group demanding the secession of southern Yemen was announced in London yesterday, 10 years after Sanaa crushed a southern secession bid that sparked a two-month civil war. The Southern Democratic Assembly was established a year ago but remained underground, the group said in a statement faxed to AFP here. âThe declaration ... has come as a necessity to respond to the deteriorating political, economic, health, educational, and social situation of south Yemenis,â it said.
The group said it rejected âthe politics of forced unity and the systematic deletion of the southern identity.â It vowed to âstruggle alongside other democratic people for achieving self-determination and building an independent stateâ in southern Yemen, according to the statement. The London-based spokesperson of the new group, Abdo Naqib, said the assembly was not linked to any other Yemeni opposition faction. He said its executive council is headed by Abdullah Ahmad, an ex-adviser to the last minister of defense in the former South Yemen. He insisted the group would pursue its objectives peacefully, calling for a referendum among the people of southern Yemen. âThe atmosphere is conducive now to exert pressure on dictatorships through international forums,â he said. The government of President Ali Abdullah Saleh had crushed a southern secession bid which sparked a 1994 civil war, four years after the merger of the former North and South Yemen. The socialists who ruled the south led the secession attempt.
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The long-delayed trial of six men accused of involvement in a suicide attack which killed 17 American sailors and almost sank a £540m guided-missile destroyer opened in Yemen yesterday. The USS Cole was refuelling in Aden harbour on October 12 2000 when two men sailed an explosives-laden dinghy alongside it and blew themselves up, blasting a 12-metre (40ft) hole in the warship. In court yesterday, six suspects were formally charged with planning the attack, belonging to Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida network, forming an armed group and carrying out various criminal acts. One of the six, Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri - also known as Mohammed Omer al-Harazi - was charged in his absence because he is held by the US at an undisclosed location.
Say hi to Pfc. Mullet for us, Abd.
Mr Nashiri, described as the mastermind of the attack, left Yemen a few days before the explosion and disappeared. He was eventually captured in the United Arab Emirates two years later. He is the cousin of a suicide bomber who blew up the American embassy in Nairobi in 1998, according to the US. Yemeni sources say he was also organiser of a foiled al-Qaida plot to blow up the US embassy in India in 2001. The other five suspects appeared in court yesterday bearded and wearing blue panties overalls. They included Jamal al-Badawi, who is said to have received instructions for the bombing from Mr Nashiri, and Fahd al-Qusaa, who allegedly bought the dinghy along with a video camera to film the attack. Representatives of the FBI and US justice department attended the hearing, which was held amid tight security in the capital, Sana'a. The trial was delayed because of American complaints that more time was needed to compile evidence, with the result that suspects were detained beyond Yemen's legal time limit. Yemen is asking the US to hand over Mr Nashiri but there is no sign that the US will agree. Mr Badawi and Mr Qusaa were among a group of suspects who escaped from jail in Yemen last year. They were rearrested in March.
Maybe Yemen has figured out the meaning of 'surround' by now?
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The widow of a British suicide bomber has been cleared of terrorist offences - but his brother and sister are to be retried. Tahira Tabassum was found not guilty of failing to alert authorities to an attempted terrorist act in a bar in Israel in 2003 by husband Omar Sharif. But Old Bailey jurors failed to agree verdicts against his brother and sister, Zahid and Parveen Sharif. Parveen faces a further charge of inciting a terrorist act. The widow, brother and sister of Omar Sharif, all of Derby, had all denied failing to disclose information about terrorism. In April 2003 Omar Sharif, 27, targeted a bar in Tel Aviv, Israel, with fellow British bomber, Asif Hanif, 21, after the pair had joined militant Palestinian organisation Hamas. Two men and a woman were killed and more than 50 injured when Hanif blew himself up in the popular European-style bar. Sharifâs explosives failed to detonate and he fled the scene. His body was found 12 days later in the sea. The family was with charged with failing to report information which could have prevented an act of terrorism after police offices interviewed them as part of investigations into Sharifâs preparations for the attack. Last week, after a two-month trial, the jury acquitted Tahira Tabassum - but told the judge they could not agree on a verdict for the remaining defendants. The judge gave the Crown Prosecution Service a week to decide whether they would be seeking a retrial, meaning the verdict acquitting Ms Tabassum could not be reported until now. The retrial of Parveen and Zahid Sharif is expected in November.
Wouldnât mind knowing the ethnicity of the jury. Looked to be an easy one, this one. Damn. Bundles of extremist literature were taken from their house and the e-mail correspondence was fairly damning as well.. bring on the retrial.
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Why it's just Muslim custom to have Jihadi literature inciting the killing of non-Miuslims; nothing more than what is already in the Koran. It's also Muslim custom to encourage relatives to go and blow themselves up in a crowd of strangers. Britains wouldn't want to be accused of oppressing ancient Muslim tradition, would they? Nothing amiss. Move along.
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There is much debate concerning the legitimacy of loony cleric Yusuf Al-Qaradawi's visit to the UK. If anyone needs an answer as to why he isn't welcome it's this sorry tale. Did you know the family complained to the British Govt that Mossad had a part in the failed bomber's death - possibly he was a victim of torture before being drowned by them. These people (less than 1% of the Muslim community, I dare say) are space cadets and should be driven into the sea.
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so is it Jewish or Israeli custom to build concentration camps, demolish homes, torture, shoot, assassinate from the sky anyone who objects to decades of a military occupation, or by not standing up against State terrorism are the British govt not wanting to be accused of oppressing ancient Jewish tradtion? Racists go to hell you know, or as you so elegantly put it, are driven into the sea. This trial is a blatant symptom of govermental oppressiveness, let them go into your homes armed with your attitudes towards criminal justice... you're already guilty of flagrant racism.
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let them go into your homes armed with your attitudes towards criminal justice...
Works for me. My attitude is the same as the government's - failing to act on foreknowledge of a relative's intention to commit mass-murder deserves punishment reflecting complicity in the crime. It's governmental opprseeiveness to stop mass-murderers now, is it? Nutter.
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Trollage methinks. I think Jooos have contributed a hatful more to my country than Moooslims. They have integrated - withstood being the butt of racism that British Muslims so vehemently decry and have been economically successful. We cannot allow terrorists to use our free society as a launching pad for extremism elsewhere. I may be racist towards these thugs - but they have to be crushed for the sake of humanity. Anyone who wilfully targets women and children in acts of terror (IRA included) deserves irradication.
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Hey Trollete: âso is it Jewish or Israeli custom to build concentration camps, demolish homes, torture, shoot, assassinate from the sky anyone who objects to decades of a military occupationâ Those camps were built and are maintained by the un. Israel offered MANY times to build nicer comfortable residences for these displaced people, but was refused. The would rather stay in a squalid camp and seethe about the bad Jews. The torture, shooting, and assassinations (you forgot beatings) would stop tomorrow if the terrorist would stop attacking Jews. Every time the Palestinians were offered peace THEY chose to continue a USELESS fight. And now it seems that the rest of the world is tired of their bitching and crying.
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yeh dumbo, now who was it that talked of jews "bitching and crying". your genocidal hatred is disgusting. never forget. never again. their fight is not useless, history will be unequivocal in its judgement, but i don't want to wait for history and if you had so much as a whiff of intellect you might know too that history came too late for those bitching and crying in the Warsaw ghetto. people as intellectually lazy as you were blind and silent AND racist then. you have, in that sense, your own blood on your collabarative hands. you can't have peace without justice a subject that Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi will explain to you, though of course, fascists are preturnaturally deaf. oh and yeh the Palestinians have generated their own imprisonment and massacre, yeh of course. now where have we heard that before? never forget, never again. you ridiculous fool
Professor Yusuf al-Qaradawi, who is not allowed to enter the US because of his views, defended the right of Palestinians to use such tactics despite demands at prime minister's question time from the Conservative leader, Michael Howard, that he should have been prevented from entering the country. The influential Egyptian-born theologian was speaking at the opening of a conference for Muslims in Europe at the Greater London authority's Thames-side building, where he shared a platform with the London mayor, Ken Livingstone. Mr Livingstone said he endorsed many of Mr Qaradawi's views on Israel. The conference, which lasts until Monday, is being organised by the European Council for Fatwa and Research, of which Mr Qaradawi is the president. The Muslim Council of Britain and the Muslim Association of Britain, which together represent the overwhelming majority of Muslims in this country, have welcomed the visit of a man revered as a distinguished scholar. They condemned what they called inflammatory reports being circulated by "the Zionist lobby".
Mr Qaradawi, 77, who is well known throughout the Middle East where many consider him to be a moderate figure who has condemned al-Qaida attacks, is less well known in Britain. He lives in the Gulf state of Qatar and is a regular guest on Arab television. He is also a trustee of the Oxford University Centre for Islamic Studies and three of his daughters completed doctorates at British universities. His appearance at this week's conference has triggered criticism not only because of his stance on Palestinian suicide bombings but because of his reported views on homosexuality as a "perverted practice". The gay rights activist, Peter Tatchell, yesterday expressed shock that the mayor of London should share a platform with him. "Ken Livingstone would not give a platform to the BNP," he said. "This man is even more extreme. He appears to endorse violence against women and gay people."
Mr Qaradawi told the packed GLA assembly hall: "It is not the first time I have visited London. It is not the 10th time or the 100th time. For over a third of a century I have been visiting London. London is an open city, so why is there this row when I visit London today?" Challenged on his attitude towards suicide bombings, Mr Qaradawi did not disavow his comments on Palestinian tactics. He described them as "the weapons of the weak" and added: "They have no other means to resist occupation and liberate their lands."
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I must say that the BBC, somewhat surprisingly, gave the cleric a right royal buttf*cking in an interview on Newsnight last night. Evil bast*rd.
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Please someone in the media ask this Iman if he will sign the CAIR 'no terror' petition.
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Sure, he ought to do it. It doesn't mean anything, changes nothing. C'mon everybody. sign up! It's just CAIR playing PR. A sort of jailhouse conversion thingy.
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"Ken Livingstone would not give a platform to the BNP," [Peter Tatchell] said. "This man is even more extreme. He appears to endorse violence against women and gay people."
In other words, it stopped being okay if it could happen "at home".
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Don't the little pint sized, brainwashed, jihadees ever ask prior to killing themselves;
"Imam/head mullah (whatever) will you not led us in blowing up that city bus with your own life for Allah?"
(Mullah) 'Oh' my little followers of jihad, I must always carry out the will of Allah, and watch you (dorks) from a safe distance."
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Dr. Qaradawi is 100% right. If terrifying murderers break into your home, you have the right under every humane law on the face of this earth to kill them. The zionist murderers and their families broke into Palestinian homes throughout the 1900's, killing many of the occupants and robbing their homes. Settler families are doing this even as I write. As such, the Palestinians are allowed, under every humane law, to kill these zionist murderers and their families so that the Palestinians may get back their homes and drive these murderers and their families away to their real homes in Europe or America. One can never make peace with a murderer, after all. As such, the martyrdom operations are 100% legal, moral and righteous as they are only for self-defence and therefore have the blessings of God. Long live Dr. Qaradawi.....
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Dear Mr. Frank G.,
My comments are not based on lies. Those poor, helpless Palestinian souls are slaughtered everday by the psychotic zionists who show no mercy. You may not see that on your T.V. in England because I am afraid much of your media is controlled by zionist-masonry but were you to watch T.V here in the middle-east you would certainly see who is killing who. We watch it everyday on the news here and are very saddened by the daily slaughter of the Palestinians. The only way those noble Palestinian souls can defend themselves and preserve their honor is through martyrdom. But One day God will reward them for their patience by driving away those zionist beasts. Mr. Frank G., I urge you to atleast once look at the other side of the story and see for yourself who is lying. Take care. Your friend-Salhuddin.
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You may not see that on your T.V. in England because I am afraid much of your media is controlled by zionist-masonry...
My TV's usually operated with a remote control. You use Jewish bricks, huh, Frank G? How come you never mentioned that before?
Salahuddin - stick around Rantburg and you might learn something yourself. We see stuff from all sources here, so you can judge for yourself what's really going on...
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Salhuddin
We also know that same media claim the US kills 1,000 of muslims a day, All the politicians in the US are Jews, The US is run by Jews, pure fanatsy.
It's to bad you can't seperate the propaganda being used to keep you down by your government and the Mullahs from reality. The truth is you are a slave. step out of line and think something different than what you are fed you will be killed or tossed in prison. Wake up.
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Imagine my surprise! Hope the trip back to san diego costs as little as the first leg
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Dear (posted as Flamebait),
Please don't worry about our information. We are very well informed here. I have BBC., AlJazeera and Arabiya, so we get both sides of the story. Do you have Aljazeera and Arabiya in your home? So you don't think the governments of the U.S.A. and Great Britain are heavily influenced (perhaps coerced) by zionist-masonry? You don't think your media is in the hands of zionist-masonry? It is extremely dangerous for you that you do not recognize this. And this is not anything recent. It was your media that got the crusades started against us. Frankish Knights about a thousand years ago made pictures showing the Messiah, and an Arab striking him, showing blood on the face of Christ (God's blessings be on him) and they said "This is the Messiah, struck by Mahomet the prophet of the Muslims, who has wounded and killed him." This (and other such tricks appealing to emotions) made your people so angry that they flocked here in the thousands to kill us. Many people sold everything to finance their trip and came walking thousands of miles just to to "liberate" the holy-land. And thousands perished on the way. Can you believe that? But God raised Saladdin for us to help defeat them. Your zionist-masonic media is again trying hard to brainwash your fair people. They are now saying to you, "we must liberate those people from their tyrants." "Let us bring freedom to them," etc., etc. Saladin had a motto for the crusaders then. It was "Come to Death." You must realize that your most dangerous enemy is your government and your media. Take care. Your friens, Salahuddin.
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Come to death? Hmmmm no wonder your tourism sucks
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Dear Frank,
How are you doing? Please use decent vocabulary in your correspondence. "S _ _ _ k _ " is not polite. It sounds like this is the language of someone who dropped out of high school. Also it is said that a man can be judged by his words. An esteemed paper such as the Rantburg should not allow such dirty words to be used. Take care.
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No my most "dangerous enemies" are persons who want to kill me for being a christan and a US citizen. I know I can't trust my goverment so I watch it like a hawk. I read international media and I do have a good BS detector.
This Shiek is a clown and is no moderate. I don't suffer clowning well. Wife beating and blaming the victim are just the tip of the iceburg. The UK should deport him fortwith.
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Dear (Flamebait),
Dr. Qaradawi has clearly stated that it is forbidden to kill an innocent person. (I am a U.S. citizen). The people who do that are crazy or brainwashed and we all know that here. That is not the issue. The issue is about killing the "Israelis" IN "Israel". You must know that the Israelis are occupiers. An occupier is someone who has forcefully taken your home from you. Imagine if some people broke into your warm little home, killed some of your family and drove you out into the street. How would you feel about these people? Would you kill them or make peace with them? Dr. Qaradawi is not scared to call a spade a spade. He speaks out against the zionist occupiers whereever he goes. He is the voice of those poor, oppressed Palestinians. You really don't know how horrible the zionists are. They are even worse than Nazis. And there is no "wife beating" in our religion. Women can be very lightly struck, and only as a last resort, without anger and only on certain parts of the body which do not hurt much. And this is only done as a LAST resort after all other means of dicourse to correct her MAJOR disobedience to her husband have failed. Major disobedience means something really bad that she has done to her husband. Please read what Dr. Qaradawi has written and you will be sure to find him, not only a moderate but a champion of the poor. Long live Dr. Qaradawi. Take care.
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... still amounts to woman-beating in my book.
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Dear Howard,
My wife doesn't think so in her book. She feels women need to be sometimes corrected by compassionate and loving husbands (with gentleness ofcourse). Even God corrects His creatures when they stray from the right path (through calamities etc...). Sorry you cannot understand.
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And she gets to beat you when you need correcting?
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Major disobedience means something really bad that she has done to her husband.
Don't be vague, Salahuddin - please explain what you mean by 'major disobedience'. Can you? Or does it depend entirely upon what the husband chooses to define as 'major disobedience', i.e. in reality, wives can be beaten on the whim of the husband.
What, by the way, do you think of not being permitted by law to beat your own wife? As a US citizen, if you beat your wife in your own home, you could be sent to jail for a long while. I feel I should warn you that you wouldn't be a popular prisoner, either. Even jailbirds tend to despise men who beat up women. They certainly do so here in the UK. Watch yourself, Salahuddin! Don't reach for your belt until you've exhausted your other options (like not acting like a cave man)...
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You're a one sick f*ck, Salahuddin. You don't belong in the 21st century (and neither the 20th).
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Imam's and the Master Race Saudi's know best.
Imam lets muezzin beat his wife
An imam of a city mosque let his underling beat his wife black and blue right before him Tuesday night for her failure to meet his dowry demands and not giving nod to his intended second marriage.
Imam's wife gets death threats
The wife of the imam of Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujib Medical University (BSMMU) Hospital Jame Mosque, whom his associates assaulted and critically injured on Tuesday night, received repeated death threats from his (imam's) men and the hospital authorities released her without proper treatment, she alleged yesterday.
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Meanwhile, Sabina's 10-year-old daughter Shammi said yesterday, "I am alone in our house. Some people came to the house and threatened me to leave it."
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Dr. Qaradawi is not scared to call a spade a spade.
Somehow, I doubt that. At least in the west, I'd be surprised if he didn't refer to them as implements employed by infidel hordesmen to prepare the stolen holy ground for construction of the artifice of the zionist masonry.
Can you tell me why so many Muslims believe the sort of paranoid conspiracy nonsense you're spouting here? If you think you see 'both sides' of the issues by watching the BBC, al Jazeera and Arabiya, you're sorely mistaken. The latter two are sick jokes - they pump out reassuring pan-Arabist victimhood propaganda that fools like you lap up (remember Comical Ali?), whilst the BBC has gone so anti-Western it's a shadow of its former self in terms of honesty and believability. Why don't you watch Fox occasionally? What's wrong with that 'side'?
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To me, the scariest part of all the nonsense that Salahuddin has said is the bit about being an American citizen.
For the life of me, I cannot think of one single thing that this man could, positively, contribute to the American culture.
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"To me, the scariest part of all the nonsense that Salahuddin has said is the bit about being an American citizen."
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that, or felt that way.
I find his comments profoundly depressing: if he is anywhere near typical of his kind, I fear they will someday do something so stupid, so vile, so heinous (like nuking an American city, on the pretext that they're somehow being "oppressed" by us and therefore have Allah's permission to kill), that our struggle will be instantly transformed from a war of reformation to a war of extermination.
If this "Salahuddin" clown really is an American citizen, he'd better get out now while he still can. Otherwise there's a Manzanar in his future.
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Dear Howard...Here I am...
I am afraid to say that your logic is exactly the kind used by paranoid, ignorant and fearful people. You try to frighten people (strategy of Tony Blair and George Bush-Read my part about the Franks and their media above). Do you know who are the only people who have actually "nuked" a city (Nagasaki, Hirohima)? Did you forget so quickly? You should judge a tree by its fruit! I, as a Muslim American, love my country. Muslims are the most peaceful people on earth-they won't harm an ant! In Islam you can never use force anyone to change his/her ideas. True change comes by choice-from the heart-(Please listen Bush and Blair). The good people of Great Britain and America must not be influenced by the zionist-masons and their friends (hint, hint) who try to instill fear in their populations about Muslims. I urge everyone to read about us and our religion Islam (Peace) and it's history and judge for themselves. Don't stay ignorant about Islam otherwise the zionist-masons will be able to portary us as warmongers through their media and get you to hate us. Through knowledge and discussion we can create understanding and bridge gaps. I am proud to be an American and feel I can help bridge the gap between Christians, Muslims and Jews throughout the world. Remember who our real enemy is:Zionist-freemasonry and their friends.
I live in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia and I can tell you that you are unbeliavable full of shit! You are hateful, violent and rotten to the core people. All you have to do here to observe your religion in action is to see how you treat minorities (Sri Lankas, Indians, Philipinos, etc). You treat these poor people worse than you treat your goats and camels. I wish the people you are trying to bullshit here could spend a week in this part of the world. You are not an American. Part of being an American is sharing some values and principles that you cannot possible comprehend. Principles like equality, compassion, respect for others regardles of race and creed, etc, etc.
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I said nothing about nuking anyone. Answer my question - if your wife thinks you need correction, can she beat you back?. I know Muslims are generally decent people - I live amongst them and grew up with them. I'm also sick of the minority who try desperately to exert cultural dominance once they achieve the 50% demographic in a neighbourhood.
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Muslims are the most peaceful people on earth-they won't harm an ant!
Pray tell us, Salahuddin, who it is who's beheading hostages in Iraq? Who it was in Fallujah who mutilated the corpses of westerners? Who it is who murders Israeli civilans any way possible on the streets of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem? Who it is who mutilates non-Muslims on Kashmir? Who was shooting non-Muslim Americans from the trunk of a car in the Washington area a couple of years ago? Who murders fellow Muslims trying to vote in Afghanistan? Who killed three thosand innocent Americans on Septembet 11th 2001?
I'm not a paranoid loon like yourself. I do not distrust or hate all Muslims, but I acknowledge that the world's greatest evil today comes from within Islam, through Islamic societies and culture. Attitudes like yours - denial, ignorance and contemptible arrogance - will not help your faith overcome its problems. You need to wake up and smell the coffee, Salahuddin.
And please, no more shit about zionist-mason conspiracies. There are sites dedicated to that sort of thing.
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Remember who our real enemy is:Zionist-freemasonry and their friends
You know what? I consider my greatest enemy today, to be a superstition called Islam, which is a belief system built on lies. It exists as an objecive truth only in the minds of believers (aka brainwashed fools), just like Zionist-freemasonry. I put it to you (and deep down, if you're honest, and if an original thought has ever entered your head, you'll agree with me) that both are pure fantasy.
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He's scarpered again... must be time to call Allan for advice.
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Yes Salahuddin,
Who went into the Oasis compound in Khobar and separated christians from muslims and proceeded to slaughter (do decapitation, throat cutting and throwing body parts out the windows ring a bell) the former? Who tied westerners to the rear bumper of a car and dragged their bodies through the streets of Yanbu and Khobar?
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"Remember who our real enemy is: Zionist-freemasonry and their friends."
Zionists didn't fly those planes into the World Trade Center towers and the Pentagon on 9/11. Freemasons didn't fly the planes, either.
MUSLIMS flew those planes. Muslims just like you: ignorant, primitive, hateful and murderous.
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Salahuddin, I urge everyone to read about us and our religion Islam (Peace)
As a muslim you must know that 'Islam' does not mean 'Peace' but 'Submission'.
Muslims are the most peaceful people on earth-they won't harm an ant!
Lets ask the mothers and fathers and brothers of the civilians muslims deliberately targetted and murdered in Isreal shall we? How about the christans and animalists of Sudan, or even the black Muslims of western Sudan? What about the Christians of Indonesia? Buddist monks of Thiland?
You should judge a tree by its fruit!
What are the Islamic fruit? Enslavement of wives, honor-killing, Rape, Murder, etc.... to be fair there are some good fruit as well, the enslaved person can feel secure.
Yes all these are also present in the west but the Church and Jews does not condone or encourage them like your Imans do....
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When I see all this hate e-mail againt me, I see how much hate there is against my peaceful religion. I feel sad that you look at certain bad apples and judge the whole tree by it. This is not fair. I acknowledge certain brainwashed people amongst us (who kill civilians) but they don't represent Islam. You can't kill innocent people in Islam. By the way there is no such thing as an "Israeli civilian." In case you don't know, every "Israeli" (the zionists have used Prophet Jacob's good name to name their vile country) is born a soldier to be trained to slaughter those poor Palestinian souls. Dear Howard, a man is responsible for his wife. She is a trust to him from God. Men are the caretakers for their wives. My wife could never think like you do. She loves me and respects me tooooo much like I do here. Try and understand.
I must go to work now. I am so saddened to see all this hate mail. Peace be on you.
#46
Bees pee upon you. Your pablum sounds suspiciously like Gentle, another Islamo-troll. Your wife should be encouraged upon the next beating to find the cutlery and remove your dinky little superiority. At least you're honest about your hate for the Joooos. Too bad they kick arab ass every time you try to act upon it. Loser
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You can't kill innocent people in Islam. By the way there is no such thing as an "Israeli civilian." In case you don't know, every "Israeli" (the zionists have used Prophet Jacob's good name to name their vile country) is born a soldier to be trained to slaughter those poor Palestinian souls.
Seems faily clear to me your 'peaceful religion' extends no peaceful sentiments to Israelis. You choose to condemn anyone who, through accident of birth, happens to be an Israeli. Or do you regard them as sub-human? The murder of Israelis, of whatever age, sex, or circumstance, is justified, is it? Would you be content if Christians regarded Muslims in the same way? Respect that kind of attitude even if it was hostile to you? Even if it meant you could be killed by your neighbours, and celebrated?
You think you talk peace? Think again. Doesn't it occur to Muslims to consider, for a moment, the obvious hypocrisy of pretending to be about 'peace' yet want nothing but violence in Israel?
My wife could never think like you do.
Newsflash, Salahuddin: she could. If you haven't noticed, we have lots of women in the west who've shed the constraints of other cultures, like yours. She's potentially as capable of free thought and value as you are. Given your repressive and misogynistic culture has given you more chances to expand your horizons than she's had, and yet you've singularly failed to learn anything from your time in America, I suspect she's likely to have more potential than you. I know many women, including quite a few genuinely moderate Muslims, who are clearly intellectually superior to you.
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In case you don't know, every "Israeli" is born a soldier to be trained to slaughter those poor Palestinian souls.
That explains the deliberate murder of that 8-month-old pregnant woman and her three (all under 12) daughters a few weeks ago. I'm sure Salahuddin was dancing in the streets about those 'soldiers', including the unborn fetus, being killed in cold blood. What was it, 2 shots for each child, and one for the pregnant woman and her unborn baby?
Good troll tho! (holds up a card) I give it an '8.5'!
No, you simply declare them "oppressors" or "infidels" first, and then kill them-- men, women, children, even babies.
"I am so saddened to see all this hate mail. Peace be on you."
Fuck you, you evil murderous monster. The sooner you end up in Hell, the better.
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#50
Hey, I'll try my best - don't go dabbling with western women, it may blow your fuse when your food is thrown at you!
Posted by: Howard UK ||
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Dear Frank G.,
Perhaps your filthy language and thoughts (I am sorry to say) result from a deep felt jealousy of Muslim men. You must be thinking, "Why are these Muslim women so loyal to their husbands? Why do they never display their beauty except to their husbands? Why do they always obey their husbands?" Then you must be thinking, "If our women can't be like theirs, let's make their women like ours. I can't bear to see those Muslim men so happy and satisfied." ***NEWSFLASH*** "Bulldog" : My wife doesn't want to think like you. She knows all about the "freedoms" you give to your women in the west-Let me point them out for you. (Western ladies, please take note as well so you may find out how cruel your Zionist-Masonic masters really are.)
#1. Less pay for women than men for the same job (and of course never more). #2. Forcing women to uncover their hair and forcing them to wear skirts on the job, for the sexual pleasure of their filthy male employers, off course. (Try wearing a frock, ladies and see if you can get a decent paying job.) #3. Forcing a woman to shake hands with men at the work place. #4. Forcing a woman to change her last (family) name to that of her male master. #5. Fear of walking alone on the streets-needing an escort at night if a woman wants to walk from one part of the college campus to another. #6. 100,000 REPORTED rapes in the U.S.A. last year alone. (An epidemic, I should say). #7. Rapes of women in the U.S. Air force (Now just coming out in the news despite the great effort by Zionist-freemason males to hide them). #8. Thrashing of women in college dormitories by males in the west. (I used to hear horrible, chilling sounds of women being beaten by men from my college dorm roomâ¦sickening). #9. No dowry for a woman when she gets married. Nothing for her, only a ring or two. #10. Forcing a woman to work and contribute her money for the household expenses. In other words a woman does not have the choice to just relax and have her husband buy her everything. In Islam, a Muslim woman can work if she wants, but she gets to keep all her money and her husband must still pay for all her expenses: clothing, food, transportation, housing, health etc. What a deal ladies! So no thanks, "bulldog", My wife doesn't want your "free-thought" or, to put it appropriately, slavery to men. *****NEWSFLASH***** "Bulldog" My wife doesn't want to go to the west. And who could blame her. She is so happy here in the Muslim world. She teaches second grade in the girls section and proudly wears her hijaab (head scarf) and a jilbaab (a loose dress) outside school. She knows her beauty is only for ME, her husband, and no one else on earth. And the beauty of it is, she chose her lifestyle-not because I told her to do it but because it is a commandment from God (in the Quran-our holy book). "Bulldog", you will never be able to get such obedience from women in your culture. But try to control your rage-I mean don't kill yourself from it.
Now "bulldog", lets talk about "Israel", which is actually the name of Prophet Jacob, a name the Zionists thieves use to call their den. The Zionists, or "Israelis" as they call themselves, have off course nothing to do with Prophet Jacob (Israel). That is just nonsense. They are 100% Europeans and have always been Europeans. They were pagan, sexually perverted, looting tribes from Eastern Europe who converted to Judaism hundreds of years ago. So, they thought, "How can we steal the rich, fertile land of the Palestinians and expand further from there? "Well", they said, "Let's tell the world we are "Israelis" and we must therefore return to our promised land "Israel". Off course, the British and the Americans Zionist-Masonic governments supported that move as there was a lot to gain-"Israel" could be a base and a bulwark for their own imperialist designs. The Zionists, as such, slaughtered and drove the Palestinians from their homes and occupied their lands. And they are still doing that today. You ask how Islam can be a religion of peace when it allows the killing of these "Israelis". To have peace there must be justice. Without justice there can be no peace. To restore justice, sometimes force needs to be used. Justice will only be served if the Palestinians are given back all their property, every inch of it. The "Israelis" will surely not hand over all the lands that they stole from the Palestinians peacefully and go back home to Europe and America-the thugs that they are. So we have no choice but to fight them and kill them or drive them out. When the Palestinians get back all their lands, every inch of them, only then will there be justice, hence peace or Islam. "Bulldog", you talk about the killing of "Israeli" women and children. First of all, Hamas and Islamic Jihad, which are two organizations fighting "Israel" never deliberately kill "Israeli" women and children. They always go for "Israeli" male soldiers (who wear civilian clothing when off duty-all "Israelis" are soldiers). Also they can only kill "Israelis" within the internationally recognized boundaries of "Israel", according to Islamic law. They are forbidden to take their struggle outside "Israel" and they strictly obey this. Now surely "Israeli" women and children are sometimes killed, but this is never done deliberately. As the President of the United States and his Defense Secretary have said, war has "collateral damage" and women and children are sometimes unnecessary "casualties of war."
To conclude, I want to be a staff writer for the Rantburg, the esteemed newspaper of Great Britain (the one free from Zionist-freemasonry and their friends). I feel I can make a positive contribution to your society with my extensive cross-cultural knowledge. Please look for my articles in your esteemed paper. (This includes "Bulldog", "Franky" and "Scooby Doo". You may read my articles too).
Posted by: Frank G ||
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#53
Hi Salahuddin: Hi do I join the Zionist-Freemasons? I hear that they make a lot of money. I had some friends a few years ago, but they were just regular Freemasons. One drove trucks for a living and the other operated a bulldozer. They were great guys and all, but didn't seem to be getting much money for all the time they put into regular Freemasonry. And they weren't even close to manipulating world events. So I figure that if I join the Zionist Freemasons instead of the regular ones, I won't have to live in a trailer park anymore like so many poor oppressed Christian Americans (you know those Masons are all atheists and they hate us Christians). Maybe I can move into one of the big mansions on the other side of the railroad tracks, smoke cigars, and drink Jack Daniels instead of Old Grandad.
#54
Shit, my dad almost single-handedly rebuilt my hometown's masonic temple - should I be worried that my dad is part of an international conspiracy hell bent on wreaking genocide amongst muslim populations? God, the silver-haired sneak. Just wait til I tell the local police... hang on, they're freemasons as well... God this shit runs deep. Thanks, Sal.
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#55
I hope Salahuddin is a fake troll. If he is not, the America we know and love is in trouble. I refuse to believe that such garbage live among us.
I'm going to stretch my neck out and give him a (*holds up card*) nine. Great Trollage.
- although he's probably Bulldog in disguise.
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#57
Anonymous - Denial isn't just a river in Egypt. He's with you, he's ugly and he's stupid. Deal with it!
Salahuddin - you have a very bad case of verbal diarrhoea. That steaming pile of mental excrement could have been condensed down to a couple of essential points:
i) You think women only deserve the status of slave, and
ii) In the West, women are slaves.
You make no sense, and you are a hypocrite. In the West we strive to award women the same rights as men - it may not be perfectly so, but it's a million miles in advance of the second rate status you afford to your women. Your chauvanistic attitude towards women is one of the reasons why Muslim Middle Eastern society is such a miserable failure compared to the West - why you are so far behind us in terms of intellectual, industrial, technological and humanitarian achievement. You throw away half your population's ability simply because they're born the 'inferior' sex.
To conclude, I want to be a staff writer for the Rantburg, the esteemed newspaper of Great Britain
#58
I come into contact with masons quite a lot. I figured out what their secret sign is - glasses. All and only men who wear glasses are masons. I was amazed.
WTF?!!! I know I don't exactly treat my time as though it's precious, but - hey, if I was going to argue with myself, I hope I'd do it a bit more coherently... ;)
#60
Yup, my dad wears glasses. I think Sal's delusional but very much welcome nonetheless. He hasn't quite managed to persuade me that women are much more important than livestock in Mohamedan society.
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Dear "Balldog",
Sorry...I don't have much time for you today but you didn't mention the word (stolen by the Zionists) "Israel" in any of your replies? Did I finally convince you? Do you realize that zionist dung (sorry if you collect it in your stamp album) don't deserve any "peaceful sentiments" from Islam? Do you realize that they are indeed "sub-human" or do you still need to be supplied with further evidence? Well why don't you read my first explanation againâ¦Now dear "bulldog", lets talk about "Israel", which is actually the name of Prophet Jacob, a name the Zionists thieves use to call their den. The Zionists, or "Israelis" as they call themselves, have off course nothing to do with Prophet Jacob (Israel). That is just nonsense. They are 100% Europeans and have always been Europeans. They were pagan, sexually perverted, looting tribes from Eastern Europe who converted to Judaism hundreds of years ago. So, they thought, "How can we steal the rich, fertile land of the Palestinians and expand further from there? "Well", they said, "Let's tell the world we are "Israelis" and we must therefore return to our promised land "Israel". Off course, the British and the Americans Zionist-Masonic governments supported that move as there was a lot to gain-"Israel" could be a base and a bulwark for their own imperialist designs. The Zionists, as such, slaughtered and drove the Palestinians from their homes and occupied their lands. And they are still doing that today. You ask how Islam can be a religion of peace when it allows the killing of these "Israelis". To have peace there must be justice. Without justice there can be no peace. To restore justice, sometimes force needs to be used. Justice will only be served if the Palestinians are given back all their property, every inch of it. The "Israelis" will surely not hand over all the lands that they stole from the Palestinians peacefully and go back home to Europe and America-the thugs that they are. So we have no choice but to fight them and kill them or drive them out. When the Palestinians get back all their lands, every inch of them, only then will there be justice, hence peace or Islam. "Bulldog", you talk about the killing of "Israeli" women and children. First of all, Hamas and Islamic Jihad, which are two organizations fighting "Israel" never deliberately kill "Israeli" women and children. They always go for "Israeli" male soldiers (who wear civilian clothing when off duty-all "Israelis" are soldiers). Also they can only kill "Israelis" within the internationally recognized boundaries of "Israel", according to Islamic law. They are forbidden to take their struggle outside "Israel" and they strictly obey this. Now surely "Israeli" women and children are sometimes killed, but this is never done deliberately. As the President of the United States and his Defense Secretary have said, war has "collateral damage" and women and children are sometimes unnecessary "casualties of war."
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So, C3PO11A5S, you want to join the Zionist-Freemasons? Well, that should be easy for you. Firstly, you cannot be a Muslim (I think you qualify). Secondly, you must be able to eat dry dung (You probably can). Thirdly, you have to get brainwashed- P.S. you won't be needing that. Fourthly, you must be able to keep secrets (I think you can). Fifthly, you must be able to kill even a fellow Zionist-Freemason if he will reveal any secrets. (Can you?) Sixthly, you must say weird statements and perform weird rituals without question. Example you must be able to say, "grasshoppers, googly goo, silver twitch on the bean locks tiddly too derrick randall". (You should love that). Finally, you need a letter of consent from your grandmother. Now you may walk into any lodge in your country and after entering it ask to speak to the Grand Master (preferably 33rd degree). Say, "I want the real deal." Your application will be reviewed by a committee and you will be informed within a fortnight. For further information look in your local yellow pages. By the way, do let me know what happens, C3P011A5S. Everyone else, keep looking out for my articles soon to come in your esteemed paper, the Rantburg.
#65
Salahuddin...Find an empty bus and practice until you meet your 72 old ladies ...in Hell!
Yo, by the way you shall be in good company with one of your heros, the Grand Mufti.
Posted by: Mark Espinola ||
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#66
by the way, Gentle "Sal", I hate your fucking ignorant ass just for screwing up the page width, asshat. Our 'Zionist co-conspirators' aren't that stupid, but you are....must be the missing intelligence gene inherent in Islam
Posted by: Frank G ||
07/13/2004 20:12 Comments ||
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Mark,
Your parents and the priest of your church will not like your intolerance if they read what you have written nor will your kindergarten teacher. Shame on you. ("Yo"???)-What pre-school did you graduate from?
#68
"Do you know who are the only people who have actually 'nuked' a city (Nagasaki, Hirohima)?"
Ooh, ooh, I know the answer to that one! Call on me, teacher!
Posted by: Matt ||
07/13/2004 20:30 Comments ||
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#69
Salahuddin. In the link you shall discover more zionist-freemasons ..LOL
Posted by: Mark Espinola ||
07/13/2004 20:31 Comments ||
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Frank,
Please mind your language. There might be children reading these pages. And you shouldn't get so upset over an extension of the page width. It is such a minor problem. Please "drink the Kool-Aid deeply..." as you advised me. Take care.
#71
of course Sal, I'm rhetorically arming myself, sharpening the blades, so to speak...enjoy your 72 raisins :-)
Posted by: Frank G ||
07/13/2004 20:42 Comments ||
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#72
Yo, Sal picture this. This is you on your first trip to NY....now laugh don't be a lousy diaper headed terrorist!
I can see this guy in the hood ordering a pizza, and the pizza guy, says "hey yo, want will have pal?" Sal just stands there completely stupefied, asking "What is meaning of...yo.. Mr. pizza man?"
Next customer!!! ;)What fu***** boat did this mook get off of?? LOL
I'm going to have fun with this goofy schlemiel.:)
Posted by: Mark Espinola ||
07/13/2004 20:43 Comments ||
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#73
Mark,
The first sign of the end of a civilization is when its people start using bad language. Just listen to the way you sound. It's disgusting. I would never let you near my children (1000 miles). You can be wise but you don't have to be filthy. Do you actually think I would ever go to that filthy and immoral city full of perverts? I like to be surrounded by clean and pure people. So long...I must go the mosque to pray the morning prayer and be with my clean friends who use good language. I don't want to corrupt myself and my language by being with you people.
#76
filthy, he he - nice riposte from a "bathing optional"....1000 miles, what are you? In the Atlantic? Or, more likely, a weak-ass troll with no children, no woman, no life, and last and foremost, no balls. C'mon Sal? Give me an IP?
Posted by: Frank G ||
07/13/2004 21:20 Comments ||
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Dear "Bulldog, Scooby Doo, Buckwheat, R2D2, Posthumus, Anonynous 4617, Crazy fool, 11A5S, Paaco, Howard the Duck, C3P0, Rikco, Mark Espinola, Chiico, eLarson, Olga and Vlaad, Vinent Van Guff, Rinaldo, Rafael, Frankenstein, Frankfurter, Frankincence and last but not least Frank -and anyone else I missed (sorry), "â¦.Welcome to an evening of enlightment. Your host is none other than Salahuddin-tickets are for FREE (my complementsâ¦) Please Note: Only the Queen's English will be used, off course. (Message for Ms. Elizabeth2: aren't you ashamed of your disloyal subjects who are destroying the mother tongue? ). And of course*****ONLY in THE RANTBURG-the esteemed paper of Great Britain******."
Today the unfortunate victim will beâ¦â¦â¦..yesâ¦â¦â¦.FRANK!!!! So hold on tightâ¦.
Dear Frank, you stated, " #66â¦Our 'Zionist co-conspirators' aren't that stupid, but you are....must be the missing intelligence gene inherent in Islam" So you believe that behavioral traits are genetic and inherited? (Is that too hard for you, Frank?) Well let's suppose that behavioral traits are inherited, as you say. Then, I will need to teach you some thing about your ancestors. (Aren't British Schools doing their job? They should pay me!) Let's talk about your ancestorsâ¦Guess whoâ¦.Got it! THE FRANKS!!!
Todays' lessons will be on 1. "Franks and marital jealousy" and 2. "Frankish medicine." (Take out your notebooks boysâ¦.) Lesson 1. The Franks and Marital Jealousy: The Franks are without any vestige of a sense of honour and jealousy. If one of them goes along the street with his wife and meets a friend, this man will take the woman's hand and lead her aside to talk, while the husband stands by waiting until she has finished her conversation. If she takes too long about it he leaves her with the other man and goes on his way. Here is an example of this from my personal experience: while I was in Nablus, I stayed with a man called Mu'izz, whose house served as an inn for Muslim travelers. Its windows overlooked the street. On the other side of the road lived a Frank who sold wine for the merchants; he would take a bottle of wine from one of them and publicize it, announcing that such-and-such a merchant had just opened a hogshead of it, and could be found at such-and-such a place by anyone wishing to buy some; "â¦and I will give him the first right to the wine in this bottle."
Now this man returned home one day and found a man in bed with his wife. "What are you doing here with my wife?" he demanded. "I was tired", replied the man and so I came in to rest." "And how do you come to be in my bed?" "I found the bed made up and lay down to sleep." "And this woman slept with you, I suppose?" "The bed", he replied, "is hers. How could I prevent her getting into her own bed?" "I swear if you do it again I shall take you to court!"---and this was his only reaction, the heart of his outburst of jealousy!
I heard a similar case from a bath attendant called Salim from Ma'arra who worked in one of my father's bath-houses. This is his tale: I earned my living in Ma'arra by opening a bath house. One day a Frankish knight came in. They do not follow our custom of wearing a cloth round their waist while they are at the baths, and this fellow put out his hand, snatched off my loin-cloth and threw it away. He saw at once that I had just recently shaved my pubic hair. "Salim!" he explained. I came toward him and he pointed to that part of me. "Salim! It's magnificient! You shall certainly do the same for me!" And he lay down flat on his back. His hair there was as long as his beard. I shaved him, and when he had felt the place with his hand and found it agreeably smooth he said, "Salim, you must certainly do the same for my Dama."
In their language Dama means lady, or wife. He sent his valet to fetch his wife, and when they arrived and the valet had brought her in, she lay down on her back, and he said to me: "Do to her what you did to me." So I shaved her pubic hair, while her husband stood by watching me. Then he thanked me and paid me for my services.
You will observe a strange contradiction in their character: they are without jealousy or a sense of honour and yet at the same time they have the courage that as a rule springs only from a sense of honour and a readiness to take offence.
Lesson 2 : Frankish medicine: The ruler of Munaitra (near Lebanon, which was in Frankish hands at that time) wrote to my uncle asking him to send a doctor to treat some of his followers who were ill. My uncle sent a Christian (Arab) called Thabit. After only ten days he returned and we said, "You cured them quickly!" This was his story: They took me to a knight who had an abscess in his leg, and a woman with consumption. I applied a poultice to the leg and the abscess opened and began to heal. I prescribed a cleansing and refreshing diet for the woman. Then there appeared a Frankish doctor, who said: "This man has no idea how to cure these people!' He turned to the knight and said: "Which would you prefer, to live with one leg or to die with two?" When the knight replied that he would prefer to live with one leg, he sent for a strong man and a sharp axe. They arrived and I stood by to watch. The doctor supported the leg on a block of wood and said to the man, "strike a mighty blow and cut cleanly!" And there before my eyes, the fellow struck the knight one blow, and then another, for the first had not finished the job. The marrow spurted out of the leg, and the patient died instantaneously. Then the doctor examined the woman and said, "She has a devil in her head who is in love with her. Cut her hair off!" This was done and she went back to eating her usual Frankish food, garlic and mustard, which made her illness worse. "The devil has got into her brain," pronounced the doctor. He took a razor and cut a cross on her head, and removed the brain so that the inside of the skull was laid bare. This he rubbed with salt; the woman died instantly. At this juncture I asked whether they had any further need of me, and as they had none I came away, having learnt things about medical methods that I never knew before.
Class over Frank and classmates. Students, your homework is to try and find out which of these traits of your great grandfathers are present in you. Keep looking for my articles in the esteemed paper of Great Britain, "The Rantburg."
#84
Troll Hunt; a True Tale of Life in Rantburg
by Mike
The Army of Steve walked warily down the Rantburg street, their hat brims pulled way down low. There was no sound but the sound of their feet, but their machine guns were ready to go.
"See anything?" Steve asked.
"Nope," Steve replied. "When Bulldog called, he said it was a Gaza troll, a big one, with strips in its fur."
"Great," Steve muttered sarcastically. "Gaza trolls are like Serbian lop-ears, only bigger and meaner, and you remember how tough those Serbian lop-ears were to get rid of!"
"Yeah. On the other hand, Fred keeps us well-supplied with whiskey and lobsters, and real estate in Rantburg is surprisingly affordable."
"Careful there, buddy, you're starting to sound like the Chamber of Commerce again."
"Sorry, man--say, look over there!"
"Where?"
"Over by that fence."
"That looks like Murat."
"Th-th-that's not Murat!" Steve muttered nervously.
The troll reared up on its hind legs and roared defiantly: "I AM SALAHUDDIN! PREPARE TO HAVE YOUR BANDWIDTH DEVOURED!"
Steve flicked off the safety. "I'll lay down some suppression fire; you flank him and get him into the sink trap."
The troll began to charge. Steve squeezed the trigger . . . .
. . . to be continued . . .
Posted by: Mike ||
07/14/2004 17:30 Comments ||
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#85
That be the one, dot-com. I remember that Rooster-rama skit, too.
Posted by: Dave D. ||
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#86
Frank, don't feel scared. You can post a reply, I promise.
#87
Yo, Sal, lol... How's the flying carpet business doing these days? I heard Osama might be in need real soon.
Posted by: Mark Espinola ||
07/14/2004 18:04 Comments ||
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#88
This is my last goodbye to the Rantburg. Frank, I am sorry to have offended you. I know behavioral traits are not inherited, so don't worry. Like your friend "Bulldog" said, that does not apply to you (Ha! Ha!). If I have offended anybody PERSONALLY, I ask for his/her forgiveness. I don't want all of you lining up against me on the Day of judgement in front of God. But all my statements in deep admiration of Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, Hamas and Islamic Jihaad stand, off course. And my deep, deep hatred for the vile and despicable zionist dung beetles (and any friend of theirs) stand, off course. And "Israelis" need to be expelled or exterminated, off course (and I have given all the reasons for that). I will not be reading the Rantburg for your replies because I know you will say something bad about me. Some people will never change! But I hope one of you will!!! Take care.
Your friend in humanity...Salahuddin.
#91
LOL - wow Sal, that really hit home..er ...with someone, I guess? You are entertaining, but don't quit yer dayjob (assuming you have one?). Reply to eatmyass@muzzeintime.com ;-)
Posted by: Frank G ||
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#92
Sal, buddy, by the way, I forgot you existed 2 days after this thread started - 7/10/04. The fact that you feel the need to get back 4 days later must indicate my juvenile snide insults to your family, culture, hygiene habits, intellectual dearth, and person...hit home....I'd suggest therapy, asshat, you've got issues, which I apparently picked like a scab...
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#93
Is it safe? Or will we be comming back to this thread for years and years and years?
#94
Helloooooooooooooooo you all for another "evening of enlightment" and only in "The Rantburg." (P.S. I've decided to return one more time.) By the way, I lived in the West for many years and I know how to deal with insults. The rule is: When someone insults you, and you are patient and control your language, it's 10 good deeds written for you and a 100 bad deeds written for the insulter. So don't worry...I'm going to have a nice balance come the day of judgment!!! Thank you all. You help me go to heaven and I help you go to hell.
I also welcome "Rex Mundi, Dragon Fly, BMN, tu3031, David D, Mike and Com 2004" to today's evening of enlightment. Today's lesson is entitled "ROGER THE FRANKS' FART AND ITS' SOCIAL AND PSYCHOLOGICAL IMPLICATIONS" (Why isn't the British Ministry of Education doing its' jobâ¦ugh?). Students, start taking your notes: In 1097, the Franks attacked Syria. This is how it all began: Baldwin, their King, a kinsman of Roger the Frank who had conquered Sicily, assembled a great army and sent word to Roger saying: "I have assembled a great army and now I am on my way to you, to use your bases for my conquest of the African coast. Thus you and I shall become neighbors." Roger called together his companions and consulted them about these proposals. "This will be a fine thing both for them and for us!" they declared, "for by this means these lands will be converted to the faith!" At this Roger raised one leg and farted loudlyâ¦"I swear this is of more use to me than your advice." Why you ask? "Because if this army comes here it will need quantities of provisions and fleets of ships to transport it to Africa, as well as reinforcements from my own troops. Then if the Franks succeed in conquering this territory they will take it over and will need provisioning from Sicily. This will cost me my annual profit of the harvest. If they fail they will return here and be an embarrassment to me here in my own domain. As well as this Tamim (The amir of Tunisia, Tamim ibn Mu'izz) will say that I have broken faith with him and violated our treaty, and friendly relations and communications between us and them will be disrupted. As far as we are concerned, Africa is always there. When we are strong enough we will take it.
He summoned Baldwin's messenger and said to him: "If you have decided to make war on the Muslims your best course will be to free Jerusalem from their rule and thereby win great honor. I am bound by certain promises and treaties of allegiance with the rulers of Africa." So the Franks made ready and set out to attack Syriaâ¦
Students your homework for today is to answer the following questions:
What are the social and psychological implications of Roger the Franks' fart? What does that tell you about the great Count? Do you find his personal hygiene disagreeable? What characteristics of Frankish society might have caused such behaviour? Would you consider it as a barbaric act? Do you feel the above account portrays a fairly accurate picture of Roger's political acumen? Please submit your answers before the next lesson. And please keep looking for my articles in "The Rantburg." (P.S. Please be present for all the classes as you may miss vital information).
#96
Sala,
Im sorry but I am new to this post and must comment on earlier posts... My question to you is at what point does a young Isreali (Zionist) decide that he is a soldier? Does he have a choice? Could it possibly be that many of the "soldiers" that are being targeted by bombings, shootings, ect. have no intention of harming a Palistinian at any time in thier lives? I find it disturbing to find that after spending your time in this country you never grasped one of the most valuable lessons we have learned since the founding of our county and that is that "all men are created equal" and through that equality all have the right to "life and the pursuit of happiness". Yes, I agree that over the entire expanse of history your people have been wronged many times, however, that does not mean that you have a right to the genocide of the Jewish people. Should all African-Americans in our country rise up and kill off all whites in America because of past wrongs? Do the Scotts have the right to rise up against England because of past wrongs? Does America have the right to rise up against all muslims the world over because of the massacre of civilians carried out by a small sect of Islam? No, you prosecute those individuals that have wronged you and if those individuals are dead and gone, Im sorry, but you do not have a right to carry out your revenge upon thier children. I think that anyone here that has read what you have said has seen your comments to be seeded not in "peace" but rather in hate and vengence. In America we have learned (and are continuing to learn) to live with diversity in our thinking, religion and ethnicity. What you have said in your past posts has been in such bold contrast to this that I had to put in my 2 cents.
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07/15/2004 17:03 Comments ||
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#97
Salahuddin-
God created "Zionists and Masons". If you destroy them, you destroy God's creation. Better get a darned good apology ready for Allah; he tends to be heavyhanded with sentencing.
Palestinians have suffered. So have Jews, for much longer, and with many more dead loved ones. If your need to hate is so strong that you need scapegoats to take on your suffering for you, there's nothing any of us can do to help, nor will we. We will see the demise of you, and of Islam if it doesn't change its Neandrathal expressions. When Islam accepts its own role in the suffering of Palestinians, then possibly our conversation can continue.
As far as justifying beating your wife, this is a sign to me that you aren't human at all. You actually believe you're God guiding an inferior critter. I think in psychology it's called a God complex.
Your religion isn't leaving peace on earth-it's leaving a scar or misery, regret, arrogance, and doom. You get a twinkle in your eye when you think about death; we get it when we think about life.
#99
I had a teacher like that. He's institutionalized now....:-)
Posted by: Frank G ||
07/15/2004 17:55 Comments ||
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#100
Dear Jaman,
I'm surprised. You sound like a gentler soul who uses the Queens' English (with some run-ons and modifying danglers). I never thought people like you existed there. Where are my foul-mouthed friends? Where are you, "bulldog", "C3PO", "Frank!!!!????" But I must be careful-"every rose has its thorn". And the next thing I know, out you come with the expletives. Jaman, I used to think like you too but the "West" never taught me what I have learnt here in the middle-east. And who talked about genocide against the "jewish" people? You made that up, my friend in humanity! I think I used the word "zionist dung" (If I'm not mistaken) who call themselves "Israelis", "Jews", "the Chosen People", "Semites" and all those holy sounding names and who live in their nuclear, chemical and biologically mechanized den of theives called "Israel." Off course they have nothing to do with those names or with Prophet Abraham, Prophet Isaac, Prophet Jacob, Prophet Moses and Prophet Jesus (Peace be on them all). Those names are really meant to camouflage who they really are: perverted, murderous, materialistic, fascist, savage, neo-pagan, fanatic, evolutionist, eugenic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, tyrannical, anti-Christ, "Masonic", Satanic, Baphometic, sodomic dung . Compared to them, Adolph Hitler would appear like Mr. Rogers ("in Mr. Rogers neighborhood T.V. show"), and that's most certainly an understatement. Read carefully about their origins and reason for existence and how they are using my beautiful country, America, and its resources to further their evil goals. But we Americans will soon uncover them, God willing. You must remember that Jews have always lived with us in peace in Palestine until the dung from Europe forced their way there. Calling themselves "Jews" and "Israelis" they started stealing our land. They say they have returned now after 2000 years. They are liars. They and their forefathers have always lived in Europe. They have no Semitic genes-NOT ONE! And the Palestinians have been living in Palsetine 7000 years-continuously, from then until now, long before even Prophet Abraham (peace be upon him). It is our land. Remember again, we hate them because they have stolen our land and thrown us out. They can believe all the dung they want-just don't steal our land. Go back home to Eastern Europe and believe your dung there. So we are in a state of war with them. You know what that means? You don't "prosecute" the enemy while you are fighting them. You can't bring lawyers with you. Not practical. You say "Could it possibly be that many of the "soldiers" that are being targeted by bombings, shootings, ect. have no intention of harming a Palistinian at any time in their lives?" Are you joking with me? You should be on David Letterman. Whoever heard of a soldier who doesn't want to harm? You say we are rising up against them for "past wrongs?" Do you have a television in your house or "Fox" news? Have you seen what a bulldozer demolishing a house with a family inside it looks like? They bulldozed an American Jewish lady to death who had come all the way from America to stand in the way of an Israeli bulldozer bulldozing a Palestinian house. Did you see her getting buried alive on T.V.? (I forgot you have FOX news-get a TV today, please). We have our land deeds in our hands, Mister. Where's the justice? Islam will stand up for the oppressed, the weak, the poor and the downtrodden. It will fight if it has to. They are using U.S. made F-16's, U.S. made Abrams tanks, U.S. made Apache helicopters against our seven year olds armed with slingshots and the dung are still scared like crazy from our brave little darlings. Don't you have a T.V? How dare they use our American made arms against our babies or any babies. Are you really an American or just a poor excuse for one? You say you "Carry out your revenge upon their children". That is a straight lie from a 101 text book. The women and children are among the dung-What can you do? War has "collateral damage," "unintended casualties of war." I didn't make these statements up. These are the words of the President of the U.S.A. and his Defense Secretary. How did those RAF pilots drop their bombs in World War II? They had revenge in their hearts against German women and children? They had revenge against the Nazis. This is why it's not a good idea to steal other peoples land. It results in war. Remember Hitler-Poland, France, Czechoslovakia. (Could have been Englandâ¦You would have been a Nazi today.) And remember that's just an analogy for you. The Palestinian case is much, much worse. Sorry, this issue makes me emotional-because unlike you, I have seen both sides of the story.
GOD BLESS AMERICA- MY HOME SWEET HOME and donât you forget that-EVER-A Proud American-(By the way, Long Live Hamas, Islamic Jihad and off course Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi.) Students-you have homework for tomorrow.
I was just thinking. Perhaps you would enjoy joining us in some of our more contemporary threads. You contribution is priceless. OMYGOD I just spit up Diet Coke through my nose.
#104
like Herpes, Islamotrolls never really go away, do they...for them, Sinktrap is bliss
Posted by: Frank G ||
07/15/2004 22:42 Comments ||
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#105
Hey, Salahuddin - still going with your 4th century interior monologue? Any more time on RB and the wife will be missing a beating! Go on - give her a good slap from the RB'ers as well.
Posted by: Howard UK ||
07/16/2004 8:03 Comments ||
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#106
My FINAL (maybe) letter to the Rantburg is unfortunately addressed to your parents. "Bulldog" and the "gang"-you must fill this letter out and then hand it to your parents.
Instructions for filling out this letter: Type your fathers' family name in your mothers' family name blank (Sorry-but we must work within the culture). Now, for your father, it's easy-just select "Mr," but for your mother, you must choose from "Miss", "Mrs," or "Ms." Sorry again, but we must work within the constraints of the English language. We will use "Franks' parents as an example.
Dear Mr. Frank and Miss/Mrs./Ms. Frank.,
How are you doing? This is your child's Frankish history teacher. Frank is a friendly and well behaved child but his overall result is slightly discouraging. He has trouble expressing himself and instructions have to be repeated for his benefit. He usually talks in spurts of six to seven words. He is at times very shy and withdrawn. I suggest you buy him the "Ms.Elizabeth2 vocabulary builder series." Please also invest in the Prince Edward "Grammar in Action" series (available now in the Barnes and Noble bookstores). Also note that your child has some problems with the third conditional, especially when used in talking about unreal past events and situations (impossible conditions-"If I had/hadn't + p.p."). Please encourage your son to watch more T.V. especially the Arabic news channels "Aljazeera", "Arabiya", and "AL-Manar" T.V. It seems the "BBC" is not helping him with his language fluency. I also encourage him to watch the "Discovery" channel" and "Spacetoons " . Frank is a shy child and needs to go out into the garden to play with other children. He needs to build his confidence. I especially recommend him playing with Crazy fool, Shamu, Jaman, Dragon Fly and Jules- (but please note: Jules is a very naughty little girl with a sharp tongue. She has apparently picked up some long words from her bad boyfriends. Just look at what she said about my wife and I: "We will see the demise of you, and of Islam if it doesn't change its Neandrathal expressions. When Islam accepts its own role in the suffering of Palestinians, then possibly our conversation can continue. As far as justifying beating your wife, this is a sign to me that you aren't human at all. You actually believe you're God guiding an inferior critter."---"Demise", "Neandrathal" (spelling mistake), "Not human", "darned", "inferior critter", "God complex???????". Shame on her. Please call up her parents and have them tell her that she mustn't talk like that. And call up the parents of her boyfriends. I strongly believe those rough boys are making her the goalkeeper and pulling her hair very hard. And I have a hunch that her father has never bought her a single "Barbie" doll-only footballs and Tonka trucks and that he makes her cut her hair with the boysâ¦imagine the psychological impact of all that on her femininity! No wonder she is talking like that. And please, do not let your son play with "Bulldog", especially when he's eating his daily meals. Please also buy him a skateboard if he has a walkway along his garden. Remind him to push with one foot and then stand on the skateboard with two feet. (He must not hold the skateboard with his hands). That should keep him occupied. Moreover, kindly encourage him not to feel guilty about his Frankish past. Remind him that behavioral traits are not inherited and a few orientalized Franks who lived with us for some time were actually quite decent people (although they were the exception). Your child sometimes uses bad words in the six or seven that he utters and this practice must be discontinued. In addition, please encourage him to participate in extra-curricular activities. Let him learn to play the guitar. Have him play:
Sunday morning up is the Lark,
Think I'll take a walk in the park,
Hey, Hey, Heyâ¦It's a beautiful day,
It's a Laa, Laa, Laa..a beautiful Sunnnnnday,
It's a Maa, Maa, Maa, a beautiful Dayyyyy,
Sunday morning up is the Lark,
Think I'll take a walk in the park,
Hey, Hey, Heyâ¦It's a beautiful day.
However, Do NOT let him join the Jerry Fallwell Christian-Zionist ministries or his local Rotary chapter as this will further confuse him and may damage him for life. I want to add that it was a pleasure to have Frank in my class. With patience, proper guidance, dedication and hard work, he can grow up to be a strong, healthy, confident, young man, fluent in the Queens' English.
Kind Regards
Salahuddin Qasim
Franks' Frankish History Teacher.
"Frank, take this note and give it to your parents. And don't worry. They love you and nobody can love you like them."â¦..ONLY IN THE RANTBURGâ¦..
Posted by: Frank G ||
07/16/2004 11:11 Comments ||
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Sal,
I added a link to Jerry Falwell's ministry for all of us who probably have no idea who he is. (I must confess his name was firmiliar but I wasn't sure until I took a look myself) Correct me if Im wrong but isnt Falwell a part of the "wings of eagles" program which provides airfare for Jews outside of Israel to return to thier homeland? (at least thats what comes to mind)***the plot thickens***
I must comment on the skateboard joke "Remind him to push with one foot and then stand on the skateboard with two feet." I must confess to enjoying that particular part of your rantings.
In my earlier post I was atempting to argue against your statement that all Israeli males being born "soldiers". You misunderstood me and replied, "Whoever heard of a soldier who doesn't want to harm?". Let me state that not all Israeli's (zionists--whatever) are soldiers, militants, or a part of this secret society jargon that you picked up from books similar to "The Da Vinci Code". I wonder if you have ever met an Israeli or if you are basing your beliefs solely upon the beliefs of an outside third party. Let me tell you that thinking for yourself really is a good (and neccesary) exercise and is the key to you becoming a productive member of your society rather than a mindless drone. (I apologize for any offense, it was not my intention to offend)
Posted by: Jaman ||
07/16/2004 12:09 Comments ||
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#112
Rotary charter? My parents were a part of both the Rotary group and the Kiwanis group back home. Never was there any talk in regards to the oppression of the palestinian people. Also, just as a judge of character, they would not have been involved with any organization bent on the destruction of others. (they just didnt have the time to spend scheming and ploting)
This all sounds just like when (a small group of)black people in America say that "The White Man" is trying to keep them down. I always found this somewhat confusing being a white male in America so I tried to come up with a list of all the things that I was doing that could be keeping them down. The only thing that I could find was that I held a job to support myself that a black person could have if I wasnt there. What I got from that is that the idealism at the root of that statement was simply a victim mentality, there to remove all responsibility off of the shoulders of the individual for his/her actions and places it upon another part of society. (now that I have opened up that box let me close it by saying I have the utmost respect for anyone in society, any ethnicity, who works hard to make a way for themselves. Similar mentalities exist within every race here in America. I was only using a similar example) When the Palestinian people are able to get past the mindset that there is some sect of society (Jews, Israeli's, Zionists, Free-Masons, Jerry Falwell) working against them they will be able to then take responsibility for thier own situation and progress as a society and a people. Right now they are at a social standstill.
Posted by: Jaman ||
07/16/2004 12:35 Comments ||
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#113
(One more time folks...a gift from me!!!)
Dear Jaman,
"Mindless Drone?" "Victim mentality?" "Social Standstill?" And I thought you were a gentler soul from the other side. Alas!!! Didn't I predict the expletives would start appearing? Jaman, you asked me, "I wonder if you have ever met an Israeli?" Now how in the world do you expect me to do that, Jaman? You know I'm not a "mad scientist". But perhaps you have a time machine that can transport me back 4000 years? Can you send it here by DHL (next day service please- about $38)? I'll try it out, I promise. And incase it works, I'll meet an Israeli in Jericho on Friday the 13th 3,723 B.C. and then come back to tell you how he was. Now, Jaman, I am sure you realize that by the time a person reaches puberty, he can think for himself and can be held accountable. (I really didn't think I was going to have to explain this to you butâ¦.) Lets say an "Israeli" (as you call them) reaches puberty at 20 (to be on the safe side.) Do you think he'll be able to realize that he cannot be an "Israeli" but is actually part of the dung from Eastern Europe that came to Palestine and stole our land? I mean tell me how long do I have to wait before I can throw him out of my property? Please ask your doctor because I think you Europeans reach puberty a little later than us. You Mindless Drone!!!! Didn't God give you a brain? What kind of people am I dealing with hereâ¦..(Sorry Jaman-I apologize). You say, "My parents were a part of both the Rotary group and the Kiwanis group back home. Never was there any talk in regards to the oppression of the palestinian people. Also, just as a judge of character, they would not have been involved with any organization bent on the destruction of others. (they just didnt have the time to spend scheming and ploting)." ("Ploting"-You're writing for the Rantburg, Jaman. Didn't you check your spelling?). By the way, were your dad and mom part of the lunch crew at the Rotary cafeteria? Mr.and (Miss, Mrs., Ms.,) Jaman? Yes, I think I bought a turkey sandwich from them. (I had gone to the Rotary to sell some of my underwear after J.C. Penny's 7 day refund period expired). I had asked your dad if he was part of a conspiracy. He told me the whole tale as I am a Muslim . (but he told me to never tell you as you would disown him)!!! I am just going to tell you what he told me of their initiation ceremony because I trust you will not disown your dad but try to correct him and bring him back on the right path. "⦠the ceremony begins. There is an uneven series of knocks at the door. "Your Worshipful," a disciple announces, "a pagan wishes to enter." The Grand Master strikes the table with one blow with his axe. Immediately the oversized door swings open and slams against the inner wall. Two guards escort the initiate to the center of the room where he faces the twelve Masons with his back to the grand master's throne. The Pagan, as he is called, is wearing a plain black hood and a blindfold. His identity is known to Grand Master Licio Gelli, but to no one else. He is asked one question by each of the disciples, but the Pagan does not answer, instead, one of the guards speaks for him. Once all the ritual questions about purpose and belief and reason for wanting to become a member of Propaganda Due are answered, the Pagan is turned to face the Grand Master, who asks, "Pagan, are you prepared to die in order to preserve the secrets of Propaganda Due?" The initiate now answers for himself: "I am." "Do you have the necessary quality of contempt for danger?" "I do." "Do you have the necessary quality of courage?" "I am courageous...". "And Pagan, are you prepared to fight and perhaps face shame, even death, so that we who may become your Brothers may destroy this Government and form a Presidency?" "I am." Then the blindfold is removed. It takes a moment for the initiate's vision to clear, because this is the first time since entering the compound that he has been allowed to see light. The blindfold serves a purpose other than security. It also represents power: "Without membership one is blind; with the help of the order, however, the way is clear." After listening to the story, your dad made me the turkey sandwich. I ate it and then used the Rotary toilet. I messed it up and scribbled "zionist dung" on the wall. I sold my underwear on my way out for $25.00. Then I went back home.
#114
(One more time folks...a gift from me!!!)
Dear Jaman,
"Mindless Drone?" "Victim mentality?" "Social Standstill?" And I thought you were a gentler soul from the other side. Alas!!! Didn't I predict the expletives would start appearing? Jaman, you asked me, "I wonder if you have ever met an Israeli?" Now how in the world do you expect me to do that, Jaman? You know I'm not a "mad scientist". But perhaps you have a time machine that can transport me back 4000 years? Can you send it here by DHL (next day service please- about $38)? I'll try it out, I promise. And incase it works, I'll meet an Israeli in Jericho on Friday the 13th 3,723 B.C. and then come back to tell you how he was. Now, Jaman, I am sure you realize that by the time a person reaches puberty, he can think for himself and can be held accountable. (I really didn't think I was going to have to explain this to you butâ¦.) Lets say an "Israeli" (as you call them) reaches puberty at 20 (to be on the safe side.) Do you think he'll be able to realize that he cannot be an "Israeli" but is actually part of the dung from Eastern Europe that came to Palestine and stole our land? I mean tell me how long do I have to wait before I can throw him out of my property? Please ask your doctor because I think you Europeans reach puberty a little later than us. You Mindless Drone!!!! Didn't God give you a brain? What kind of people am I dealing with hereâ¦..(Sorry Jaman-I apologize). You say, "My parents were a part of both the Rotary group and the Kiwanis group back home. Never was there any talk in regards to the oppression of the palestinian people. Also, just as a judge of character, they would not have been involved with any organization bent on the destruction of others. (they just didnt have the time to spend scheming and ploting)." ("Ploting"-You're writing for the Rantburg, Jaman. Didn't you check your spelling?). By the way, were your dad and mom part of the lunch crew at the Rotary cafeteria? Mr.and (Miss, Mrs., Ms.,) Jaman? Yes, I think I bought a turkey sandwich from them. (I had gone to the Rotary to sell some of my underwear after J.C. Penny's 7 day refund period expired). I had asked your dad if he was part of a conspiracy. He told me the whole tale as I am a Muslim . (but he told me to never tell you as you would disown him)!!! I am just going to tell you what he told me of their initiation ceremony because I trust you will not disown your dad but try to correct him and bring him back on the right path. "⦠the ceremony begins. There is an uneven series of knocks at the door. "Your Worshipful," a disciple announces, "a pagan wishes to enter." The Grand Master strikes the table with one blow with his axe. Immediately the oversized door swings open and slams against the inner wall. Two guards escort the initiate to the center of the room where he faces the twelve Masons with his back to the grand master's throne. The Pagan, as he is called, is wearing a plain black hood and a blindfold. His identity is known to Grand Master Licio Gelli, but to no one else. He is asked one question by each of the disciples, but the Pagan does not answer, instead, one of the guards speaks for him. Once all the ritual questions about purpose and belief and reason for wanting to become a member of Propaganda Due are answered, the Pagan is turned to face the Grand Master, who asks, "Pagan, are you prepared to die in order to preserve the secrets of Propaganda Due?" The initiate now answers for himself: "I am." "Do you have the necessary quality of contempt for danger?" "I do." "Do you have the necessary quality of courage?" "I am courageous...". "And Pagan, are you prepared to fight and perhaps face shame, even death, so that we who may become your Brothers may destroy this Government and form a Presidency?" "I am." Then the blindfold is removed. It takes a moment for the initiate's vision to clear, because this is the first time since entering the compound that he has been allowed to see light. The blindfold serves a purpose other than security. It also represents power: "Without membership one is blind; with the help of the order, however, the way is clear." After listening to the story, your dad made me the turkey sandwich. I ate it and then used the Rotary toilet. I messed it up and scribbled "zionist dung" on the wall. I sold my underwear on my way out for $25.00. Then I went back home.
#116
"Hey!", Where is everybody? Must be Saturday night in Great Britain when everyone is drunk and stoned! I must go to pray now. Its morning here. Bye!
#117
another excuse to plant your flat forehead on the carpet and stick your ass in the air...not that there's anything wrong with that, but really! weekly prostate checks?
Posted by: Frank G ||
07/16/2004 21:07 Comments ||
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#118
Yo..yes you---> Sal, cool it with the same old worn out to the max, running Saudi line of crapola.
How many weeks training did you receive in Afghanistan anyway?
Milk your goat.
Posted by: Mark Espinola ||
07/16/2004 21:09 Comments ||
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#119
Holy mackerel.
Wondered what all the racket was, and here it's poor, mad Salahuddin stumbling around in a week-old Rantburg thread, acting out elaborate fantasies involving Pagans and Grand Masters, hinting at dark conspiracies involving the "Jerry Fallwell Christian-Zionist ministries" and the local Rotary chapter, and crying out plaintively, "Where is everybody?" when no one answers him.
Poor, mad fool. No wonder Arab society is in the shitter.
Posted by: Dave D. ||
07/16/2004 21:32 Comments ||
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#120
I've got your history of the Franks right here, buddy, LOL. It involves a lot of Arab ass-kicking, but then again, don't most people's histories? Who have they vanquished? Other Arabs. Losers
Posted by: Frank G ||
07/16/2004 21:38 Comments ||
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#121
Wish I'd checked in on this thread earlier.
Sal, I'll put it to you this way: I spotted so many holes in your arguments after your first few posts that I stopped reading them after a while. If you were a book, I'd have thrown you across the room and complained vigorously about the poor plotting and weak characters. And I survived reading the novelization of Stargate twice, for craying out loud. Don't ask me why I read it the second time; must have been late at night.
Anyway, since you're all doing the time-warp thing, I suppose it's only appropriate that I show up at some point. You say a lot of things that contradict one another - but that's not because we don't "understand Islam," I'll tell you that right now. It's because you're either not arguing very effectively, or because Islam doesn't understand what it's trying to say. Let me know if you want to risk Fred's bandwidth on a week-old debate, for though time travel is fun, we in the West generally prefer the future.
Posted by: The Doctor ||
07/16/2004 22:02 Comments ||
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#122
I only revisit this thread to bitch-slap Sal like a Burka-less cheating wife. I don't even bother to read his nonsense anymore, it's just fun to beat the bejesus out of him with my shoe bottom :-)
Posted by: Frank G ||
07/16/2004 22:11 Comments ||
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#123
Hello! How are you? Please don't get angry. "Uh!" Frank...Are you teaching me about your own history? How dare you! By the way Frank, where did the Franks vanish? Try and think. Who exterminated them? And what is their legacy? Well, you have the city of Frankfurt, you have the frankfurter (hotdog as we say-fast food for about $1.00) and off course Frankenstein (your parents probably named you after him). And off course the expression, "Why don't you be Frank with me." But please don't get depressed although I don't understand how you could live with a name like that. Just change it, man. And don't get upset. It's all in good taste. And Espinola-are you obsessed with just one topic (if you notice)? Must have something to do with the racism there against you. Remember, Frank and David will always be suspicious of you. Don't ever trust them. David I don't have time for you now. Come back tomorrowâ¦.Only in the Rantburgâ¦the esteemed paper of Great Britain.
#124
Hello! How are you? Please don't get angry. "Uh!" Frank...Are you teaching me about your own history? How dare you! By the way Frank, where did the Franks vanish? Try and think. Who exterminated them? And what is their legacy? Well, you have the city of Frankfurt, you have the frankfurter (hotdog as we say-fast food for about $1.00) and off course Frankenstein (your parents probably named you after him). And off course the expression, "Why don't you be Frank with me." But please don't get depressed although I don't understand how you could live with a name like that. Just change it, man. And don't get upset. It's all in good taste. And Espinola-are you obsessed with just one topic (if you notice)? Must have something to do with the racism there against you. Remember, Frank and David will always be suspicious of you. Don't ever trust them. David I don't have time for you now. Come back tomorrowâ¦.Only in the Rantburgâ¦the esteemed paper of Great Britain.
Posted by: Frank G ||
07/16/2004 23:16 Comments ||
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#128
not 'zactly what I wanted when I queried for a "exotic" partner who isn't very sharp and likes submission .....gotta be clearer on the googling I guess :-)
Posted by: Frank G ||
07/16/2004 23:18 Comments ||
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#129
ROFLMAO!!! Purrfekt! Accuracy does matter, I guess, lol!
#135
The Management at the Rantburg will now issue its verdict for the international community:
The winner of this "thread" is Salahuddin Qasim.
Our writers have embarrassed us. We based our judgment on the fact that only Salahudddin was able to maintain civil and well-reasoned discourse throughout the "thread". All the others (even Jamon who was our only hope and dropped out after Salahuddin's stinging reply), could not control their language, attacking Salahuddin's character, just like any tabloid. We noticed many contestants dropping out early. There were only a few souls that remained. One contestant (Frank) even admitted he came back to the thread just for personal reasons and not for the good of our publication. Furthermore, the reason this Frank doesn't use our queens' English is simply because he can't. Not putting an "an" before a vowel cannot be dismissed by sayingâ¦"oh, that was a typo." Frank, we say you are a "typo" and you have embarrassed all of us here. Salahuddin, well done for this sweet victory and we apologize for our bumbling fools. Take care and please understand. It's not them but their parents who are to blame.
THIS IS THE END OF THIS THREADâ¦management of the Rantburg.
Posted by: The Management at the Rantburg ||
07/17/2004 5:33 Comments ||
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#138
Fred wouldn't do that, would he? Our little friend Salahuddin is WAYYYYY too entertaining-- and way too enlightening as to the pathologies within the Arab world and within Islam.
Posted by: Dave D. ||
07/17/2004 8:03 Comments ||
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#139
you came back, Sal. I knew you wanted it. Can't get enough, can you, bitch? :-)
Posted by: Frank G ||
07/17/2004 15:47 Comments ||
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#140
Oh, man, the end of the thread with the loser declaring himself the winner, and he never responded to my challenge . . . what do I have to do to get into an argument, slap someone in the face with a glove? Oh, well; at 140 comments it may be just as well. Let's hope he pops back in the future . . .
Posted by: The Doctor ||
07/17/2004 22:51 Comments ||
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#141
Wow, take a break from the computer for a weekend and Sal has a kidney stone. "(even Jamon who was our only hope and dropped out after Salahuddin's stinging reply)"
This is great stuff. I bookmarked this page.
Posted by: Jaman ||
07/19/2004 10:13 Comments ||
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Posted by: Howard UK ||
07/19/2004 10:16 Comments ||
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#144
"and next week on an all new Rantburg, find out the true identity of Salahuddin.......is he Murat off his meds? Antiwar's mysoginistic small-penised boyfriend? Or, the muslim muck4doo wannabe? Stay tuned."
#147
Dear Howard...Here I am...
I am afraid to say that your logic is exactly the kind used by paranoid, ignorant and fearful people. You try to frighten people (strategy of Tony Blair and George Bush-Read my part about the Franks and their media above). Do you know who are the only people who have actually "nuked" a city (Nagasaki, Hirohima)? Did you forget so quickly? You should judge a tree by its fruit! I, as a Muslim American, love my country. Muslims are the most peaceful people on earth-they won't harm an ant! In Islam you can never use force anyone to change his/her ideas. True change comes by choice-from the heart-(Please listen Bush and Blair). The good people of Great Britain and America must not be influenced by the zionist-masons and their friends (hint, hint) who try to instill fear in their populations about Muslims. I urge everyone to read about us and our religion Islam (Peace) and it's history and judge for themselves. Don't stay ignorant about Islam otherwise the zionist-masons will be able to portary us as warmongers through their media and get you to hate us. Through knowledge and discussion we can create understanding and bridge gaps. I am proud to be an American and feel I can help bridge the gap between Christians, Muslims and Jews throughout the world. Remember who our real enemy is:Zionist-freemasonry and their friends.
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When I see all this hate e-mail againt me, I see how much hate there is against my peaceful religion. I feel sad that you look at certain bad apples and judge the whole tree by it. This is not fair. I acknowledge certain brainwashed people amongst us (who kill civilians) but they don't represent Islam. You can't kill innocent people in Islam. By the way there is no such thing as an "Israeli civilian." In case you don't know, every "Israeli" (the zionists have used Prophet Jacob's good name to name their vile country) is born a soldier to be trained to slaughter those poor Palestinian souls. Dear Howard, a man is responsible for his wife. She is a trust to him from God. Men are the caretakers for their wives. My wife could never think like you do. She loves me and respects me tooooo much like I do here. Try and understand.
I must go to work now. I am so saddened to see all this hate mail. Peace be on you.
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(One more time folks...a gift from me!!!)
Dear Jaman,
"Mindless Drone?" "Victim mentality?" "Social Standstill?" And I thought you were a gentler soul from the other side. Alas!!! Didn't I predict the expletives would start appearing? Jaman, you asked me, "I wonder if you have ever met an Israeli?" Now how in the world do you expect me to do that, Jaman? You know I'm not a "mad scientist". But perhaps you have a time machine that can transport me back 4000 years? Can you send it here by DHL (next day service please- about $38)? I'll try it out, I promise. And incase it works, I'll meet an Israeli in Jericho on Friday the 13th 3,723 B.C. and then come back to tell you how he was. Now, Jaman, I am sure you realize that by the time a person reaches puberty, he can think for himself and can be held accountable. (I really didn't think I was going to have to explain this to you butâ¦.) Lets say an "Israeli" (as you call them) reaches puberty at 20 (to be on the safe side.) Do you think he'll be able to realize that he cannot be an "Israeli" but is actually part of the dung from Eastern Europe that came to Palestine and stole our land? I mean tell me how long do I have to wait before I can throw him out of my property? Please ask your doctor because I think you Europeans reach puberty a little later than us. You Mindless Drone!!!! Didn't God give you a brain? What kind of people am I dealing with hereâ¦..(Sorry Jaman-I apologize). You say, "My parents were a part of both the Rotary group and the Kiwanis group back home. Never was there any talk in regards to the oppression of the palestinian people. Also, just as a judge of character, they would not have been involved with any organization bent on the destruction of others. (they just didnt have the time to spend scheming and ploting)." ("Ploting"-You're writing for the Rantburg, Jaman. Didn't you check your spelling?). By the way, were your dad and mom part of the lunch crew at the Rotary cafeteria? Mr.and (Miss, Mrs., Ms.,) Jaman? Yes, I think I bought a turkey sandwich from them. (I had gone to the Rotary to sell some of my underwear after J.C. Penny's 7 day refund period expired). I had asked your dad if he was part of a conspiracy. He told me the whole tale as I am a Muslim . (but he told me to never tell you as you would disown him)!!! I am just going to tell you what he told me of their initiation ceremony because I trust you will not disown your dad but try to correct him and bring him back on the right path. "⦠the ceremony begins. There is an uneven series of knocks at the door. "Your Worshipful," a disciple announces, "a pagan wishes to enter." The Grand Master strikes the table with one blow with his axe. Immediately the oversized door swings open and slams against the inner wall. Two guards escort the initiate to the center of the room where he faces the twelve Masons with his back to the grand master's throne. The Pagan, as he is called, is wearing a plain black hood and a blindfold. His identity is known to Grand Master Licio Gelli, but to no one else. He is asked one question by each of the disciples, but the Pagan does not answer, instead, one of the guards speaks for him. Once all the ritual questions about purpose and belief and reason for wanting to become a member of Propaganda Due are answered, the Pagan is turned to face the Grand Master, who asks, "Pagan, are you prepared to die in order to preserve the secrets of Propaganda Due?" The initiate now answers for himself: "I am." "Do you have the necessary quality of contempt for danger?" "I do." "Do you have the necessary quality of courage?" "I am courageous...". "And Pagan, are you prepared to fight and perhaps face shame, even death, so that we who may become your Brothers may destroy this Government and form a Presidency?" "I am." Then the blindfold is removed. It takes a moment for the initiate's vision to clear, because this is the first time since entering the compound that he has been allowed to see light. The blindfold serves a purpose other than security. It also represents power: "Without membership one is blind; with the help of the order, however, the way is clear." After listening to the story, your dad made me the turkey sandwich. I ate it and then used the Rotary toilet. I messed it up and scribbled "zionist dung" on the wall. I sold my underwear on my way out for $25.00. Then I went back home.
Lawyers for 10 non-British prisoners held without trial under antiterrorism laws filed an appeal on Wednesday against the incarceration, arguing that evidence against the detainees may have been extracted under torture from terror suspects being held in United States prison camps. The lawyers went before the Court of Appeal in a preliminary case, seeking permission in part to bring evidence of "the commission of torture" in camps controlled by the United States in Afghanistan, Cuba and elsewhere. "We say that it is an affront to the public conscience for the state to rely in judicial proceedings on evidence obtained by torture," said Ben Emmerson, a lawyer for some of the 17 foreigners who have been declared terrorism suspects in Britain since the Sept. 11 attacks in the United States.
Apparently it's not an affront to the public conscience to kill people and blow stuff up.
The detention of foreign terror suspects without trial or charges - and in contravention of part of the European Convention on Human Rights - has become a sensitive issue for the government of Prime Minister Tony Blair. In late 2001, Britain adopted emergency laws that permitted, among other things, detention without trial. Human rights advocates have labeled that provision Britain's Guantánamo Bay. Mr. Blair is being pressed by rights advocates and legislators to do more to secure the release of four Britons held at the base in Cuba, and his government is under assault for using emergency powers to detain foreigners. The foreign detainees may leave Britain if another country says it will accept them. They may also challenge their detention before a secret tribunal called the Special Immigration Appeals Commission, but the tribunal is empowered to hear evidence from the authorities in the absence of the suspects or their lawyers and can order detention if it believes there are "reasonable grounds to suspect" links to international terror networks. In March, a Libyan detainee, identified publicly only as M, was set free after the tribunal ruled that there were no reasonable grounds to detain him. But it has ruled in the cases of other suspects that the British government has had "sound material" to support the suspects' detention.
So 'M' was released -- what happened to 'Q'?
Mr. Emmerson, who represents eight of the 10 suspects in the current appeal, said he wished to challenge the tribunal's decisions for a variety of reasons including the question of whether it was legally empowered to consider evidence produced by the alleged ill-treatment of prisoners. The 10 detainees represented at the hearing on Wednesday are being held at several locations, including two high security prisons and a high security psychiatric hospital. Some of them have been detained since December 2001.
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Declare them criminally insane and toss 'em in a 300-year-old prison on a dank heath somwhere, to be detained "at Her Majestey's pleasure".
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If the allegations against these people are true, I agree wholeheartedly. But, for all we know, tommorrow the US could come in, remove us from our house, holiday or place of work on the basis of suspected terrorism, torture us to gain a confession (I'd tell them whatever they wanted to hear) and detain us for a few years without ever laying charges. That's immoral!
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A5607 - So true. I feel your pain and confusion! The US has been doing it for over 2 centuries. It's what we're known for. Now, anyway. But, for all you know, to quote your post, most of what you read, most of what you see on TV, and most of what you hear from friends and co-workers is just total fucking bullshit dreamt up by weak-minded multiculti sheep who would much prefer that the Caliphate was already in charge so they could just pay their dhimmi tax and be done with it. On the other hand, if we succeed in defeating the Izzoids, you'll be free to sit on your ass, wring your hands, and criticize us some more. Won't that be fun? Now go stand in line with the others and be very very moral, K?
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I understand that these are the 'baddest of the bad' or the most 'misguided of the misguided' - put them on trial over here and lock them up if necessary [or let MI5 'handle' them]. The Tipton Taleban have remained out of the media focus since their return from Gitmo.
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Misread - already here - start the trials now - let's see the scum in our midst.
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Can't we hope that this solicitor meets some youth" soccer hooligans" or famous english "binge drinkers" resulting in him getting his arse beat. Then he can report it to some human rights group and claim the UK government did it.
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Dear ".com", you might be surprised to find out that I am a typical English ancestry third generation Australian. Like most Australians (and the rest of the well educated, non-xenophobic world) who luckily receive both sides of the story, rather than just US spread propaganda, I am well aware of the frequency of US breaches of the Geneva Convention (and every other convention).
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A5607 - If you actually read the Geneva Conventions, you would discover that your poor poor jihadis aren't covered.
BTW, how do you know you're getting the full story? I know it must make you feel all warm and snuggly to say it, but how do you know? You don't.
Funny, in the last 100 years, the US is directly responsible for freeing almost a billion people from dictatorships, communism, naziism, all sorts of rather unpleasant things, yet you buy into the hate game. You're weak and prefer fantasies. Facts and reality are not your strong suit. You are distinctly unaware of anything useful. Get back in your silly little line - and pray.
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.com, if you actually read my post, you would realise that I have no sympathy for "jihadis". My sympathies lie with people accused of crimes for which no evidence has been presented. I would have a similar sympathy for you if you were draged out of your home and detained on suspicion of terrorism for a year or two.
The Geneva convention does cover prisoners of war, which any of these detainees are until they stand trial. Since you are such an expert on the Geneva Convention, I am only quoting it for the reference of other readers of this site:
"1) Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria.
To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:
(a) violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;
(b) taking of hostages;
(c) outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment;
(d) the passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court, affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples."
By the way, I said "(and every other convention)".
Where exactly did you get the figure of almost a billion people? From US propaganda?
[this is fun ;)]
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A5607 Fuck you. Public safety comes first - having lived in London under the IRA I welcome any move to get the scum off the streets - have faith in the security services - by and large they know what they're doing. Ten lives vs three thousand.
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I LOVE the way people resort to insults to get their point across! Cheer up Howard, life is pretty good!
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what the hell is Diego Garcia for if we and the brits can't do a little shark fishing. Today's bait? Uncooperative jihadis.....
Aliens 4: when you're in the middle of the friggin Indian Ocean nobody can hear you scream. But your 72 raisins know you wet yourself - they're not impressed
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Sigh. Are you willfully ignorant - or a troll? Regardless, I'll respond once more and then you'll have to play with yourself.
They're not POWs - get it? All of your googled stuff is pointless, though I'm sure you felt really self-righteous doing it. I read the Geneva Conventions 3 decades ago when I was a US soldier and I understand the gist of the various conventions, the reasons for each of them, and their importance regards maintaining some level of civility... Of COURSE the Geneva Conventions cover POWS... POW treament was one of the main purposes for drafting them. These jokers were arrested as suspected terrorists. They do not fight for any "country", they do not wear the uniforms of a country, they are not part of the chain of command of any country, there is no recognized authority that commands them - to fight or surrender, etc. They do not meet the criteria, they are not POWs. The Geneva Conventions do not apply to them. Period.
BTW, this is a story about the UK and a UK law. You prove who and what you are by trying to recast the issue in your automatic anti-US knee-jerk.
Have a look at a few sources other than your beloved Socialist Oz Newz:
http://www.techcentralstation.com/052104E.html
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005144
When you "get it" and realize it has zip to do with the US, that the Geneva Conventions are not even part of the equation, and start thinking instead of regurgitating someone else's thoughts, you might be worth talking to. As it stands, you're a waste of bandwidth.
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Sigh. Since you are determined to make me have the last word, and spoil all my mischief, I will make a final point. I quoted the fourth convention for a reason. It deals with treatment of civilians and is applicable to persons detained in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties. The US is one of these and the prisoners referred to in the article were detained there and allegedly mistreated. It is this that I have been referring to, not to any subsequent dealings though the UK courts, or the source location of their capture.
Forget about the above article for a moment. There are around 600 suspected terrorists held at Guantanamo Bay by the US. Most of these have been held without charge. Many people throughout the world believe that alleged torture of these people is in breach of the Geneva Convention. Obviously this hasn't been tested in court so cannot be stated as a fact, but it is definately a common opinion. Other cases include humiliation of prisoners of war (yes they were POWs) at Abu Ghraib. View some of the following international or even US media for examples of public opinion:
"New cases of alleged prisoner abuse still surfacing in U.S. scandal"
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2004/07/15/544365-cp.html
"According to the International Red Cross, a number of people apparently in U.S. custody are unaccounted for. Most are believed to be held by the CIA in secret facilities outside the United States. Contrary to the Geneva Conventions, the detainees have never been visited by the Red Cross; contrary to U.S. and international law, some reportedly have been subjected to interrogation techniques that most legal authorities regard as torture." (The Washington Post, 15th July 2004)
"One rule for them"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,921192,00.html
"Double Standards" and "U.S.: Bush Errs in Geneva Convention Rules Fails to Grant POW Status to Detainees"
http://www.hrw.org/doc/?t=usa_gitmo
The above article posted on Rantburg (by the way Steve White, I hope you are reading and enjoying this to and fro) does refer to the US so your comment that it "has zip to do with the US" is not accurate.
I'd love to know your opinion on who and what I am ("You prove who and what you are...") so if you feel like one last post, I'll try to come back and read it. Please let me know my political leanings, religion, age, education, sex, race etc.
Hope to dispute your opinion again at some other time or place.
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Um WTF? Abu Ghraib prisoners were criminals not POWs or suspected terrorists. You got some of your facts wrong. I also suspect you would feel more at home at moveone.org, however you would not be a losing troll there.
Prosecutors on Wednesday summarily indicted on a charge of breaking immigration law a Bangladeshi businessman who was arrested in connection with the allegedly illegal stay in Japan of a senior member of a group related to the Al-Qaida terrorist network. Islam Mohamed Himu, 33, from Toda, Saitama Prefecture, and his communications-related firm Ryo International were indicted by the Tokyo District Public Prosecutors Office and ordered to pay 300,000 yen by the Tokyo Summary Court for employing Himuâs younger brother and another illegal foreign resident between about August 2001 and May this year, in violation of the Immigration Control and Refugee Recognition Law. Himu, who was released after paying the fine, was arrested in June in connection with the investigation into the activities of Lionel Dumont, 33, a French citizen who lived in Niigata and is believed to have been trying to build a support network for Al-Qaida in Japan.
Germany said Thursday it would create a central database on suspected radical Islamists, provoking concern from the countryâs large Muslim community. Interior Minister Otto Schily also announced plans to boost the fight against terrorism by pooling intelligence from the three national security agencies in a new joint analysis center. The moves, announced after two days of talks between Schily and interior ministers from the 16 states or âLaenderâ, are designed to strengthen Germanyâs defenses against terrorism by making its complex security structure work more efficiently. Germany has stepped up its guard against radical Islamists since 2001, when three of the suicide hijackers involved in the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States turned out to be Arab students from Hamburg. Authorities are investigating about 150 cases involving alleged Islamic militants, and have conducted several prominent trials. But a Muslim leader, reacting to news of the database, said innocent Muslims risked falling under suspicion unless the term âIslamistâ was properly defined. "When you speak about Islamism, you have to clarify what you mean by it. We are concerned that every Muslim could fall under this catch-all term, which is unacceptable," said Nadeem Elyas, chairman of the Central Council of Muslims in Germany. "Weâre worried that people may be caught up arbitrarily who have nothing to do with terrorism. By arbitrarily, I mean at the discretion of officials or authorities, which would be a violation of data protection rules." Of course, no such "discretion" is employed by jihadist imams as they advocate wholesale slaughter of innocent Westerners. However, all of us must walk on eggshells for fear of offending Muslim sensibilities. Perish the thought that Islam might become identified with terrorism in general.
A spokesman for the federal data protection commissioner said it was important to establish clear rules on who could enter or view data on suspects, and how long entries would be held in the system. Because of its historic experience of Nazi and Communist dictatorship, Germany has strict rules on data protection and on separating the functions of the police and the intelligence services. With its federal structure, it also has more than 30 bodies responsible for security -- a federal crime office and two spy agencies, plus police and domestic intelligence services in every state. To avoid duplication and the risk of vital information falling between the cracks, Schily last month proposed bringing the state services under the direct control of their federal equivalents. But the idea has been vigorously resisted by interior ministers in the 16 Laender. The national police union said it was baffling to ordinary Germans why such questions were still being ponderously thrashed out nearly three years after Sept. 11. "One can only hope that international terrorism will show due consideration for German thoroughness," it said in a statement. Germany was pretty thorough in how they attempted to thwart the liberation of Iraq. Doesnât that count for something back in Mecca?
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And in other news: Germans Alarmed as Muslims Rape and Murder Infidels.
What are the chances of this ever becoming a Reuters headline?
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I'll say null chance, sames goes for the APF which is pro islamisist.
I would hope everyone will get a grip. these are people who blow stuff (including citizens ) Make a list check it twice, make sure those that are on it belong on it. No big deal. QED.
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But a Muslim leader, reacting to news of the database, said innocent Muslims risked falling under suspicion unless the term âIslamistâ was properly defined.
Dear Potential Islamist or Terrorist in Germany:
ALL Muslims will come under suspicion because some of their brethern (and some sisteren [cistern?]) have been doing some heavy-duty industrial-strength nasty things to other people. Since the boys at Imam City will not clean up their act, some other people in the German government have decided to do it for them at no monetary cost to the Muslim community. The database will be an important start in obtaining near real-time intelligence on these nasties. If you want to be considered an Islamist (should be read as terrorist), perform nasty deeds, or aid and abet them, then you will make the list, with all of its rights and privelages, including detention, jail, deportation, etc., etc. I hope that this answers the question. Have a nice day.
Salaam, etc.
Al-Aska Paul
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A Swedish man held for more than two years by the United States in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, returned home Thursday after he was released to the Swedish government by the Pentagon.
We had somebody named Sven in jug in Guantanamo?
The Swedish Foreign Ministry said Medhi-Muhammed Ghezali landed at Skavsta Airport in the southern Swedish city of Nykoeping Thursday evening aboard a government-charter private jet.
Somehow, I didn't think so.
It was unclear whether Ghezali would return to his father's home in Orebro or be taken to the capital, Stockholm, to be questioned by Swedish officials. Mehdi-Muhammed Ghezali was released to the Swedish government earlier Thursday after more than two years at Guantanamo, where some 600 foreigners are being held on suspicion of being members of al-Qaida or the Taliban. Foreign Minister Laila Freivalds told The Associated Press that Ghezali was not expected to be charged by police for any crime, but she could not say if he would be monitored by security police upon arrival. "That is up to the security police," she said. "I take it for granted that he's free, and I have received no indication that any government department will do anything to try to arrest him."
"We're just happy to have him back. It's men like him who make Sweden what it is today..."
Ghezali — born in Sweden to a Finnish mother and Algerian father — was reportedly part of a group of 156 suspected al-Qaida fighters arrested in 2001 by Pakistani authorities while fleeing the Tora Bora mountains into Pakistan. His father, Mehdi Ghezali, has staged a series of on-again, off-again hunger strikes to draw attention to his son's plight.
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Mehdi Ghezali, has staged a series of on-again, off-again hunger strikes to draw attention to his son's plight.
them yo-yo diets are bad
Customs officials at the Port of Montreal believe they have derailed a terrorist plot to export chemical weapons, the TVA network reported today. The French-language television network said unidentified products used in the composition of chemical weapons were discovered in 60 cases destined for Britain in February.
February, huh?
An investigation into the matter is being carried out by customs and the RCMP. During the last year, customs officers at the port have used special equipment to inspect 20,000 containers. Manual searches were also carried out on 6,500 containers. Security has steadily been increased in Montreal and other Canadian ports to fight terrorism and drug smuggling.
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A Texas court has convicted five Palestinian-born brothers of selling computer equipment to Libya and Syria in violation of US anti-terrorism laws. The men - Ghassan, Basman, Bayan, Hazim and Ihsan Elashi - ran a computer business in Richardson, Texas. They were tried on more than 20 counts of money-laundering and false statements on export documents. Three of the brothers are facing separate charges of funnelling money to the militant Palestinian group Hamas. The five ran a firm called InfoCom.
On Wednesday, they were found guilty of shipping money to countries regarded by the US as sponsors of terrorism, and could face up to 10 years in jail. During the trial, prosecutors said they repeatedly filed false export forms to deceive the authorities about the nature of their business. The defence argued that the brothers did not knowingly break laws and that the equipment sent to the Middle East consisted only of low-grade computers. Prosecutors have said they will hold a second trial at an unspecified date for three of the brothers accused of helping to fund Hamas. Ghassan Elashi was also director of a US Muslim charity called the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development. The foundation was shut down in December 2001 after the US Treasury Department accused it of being a Hamas front and seized its assets. Mr Elashi denies the the charge. He and his two co-defendants are notably accused of sending money to senior Hamas leader Musa Abu Marzook. Abu Marzook's wife is related to the Elashi brothers.
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Right in my back yard, too!
I remember these dirtbags on TV not long after 9/11, when the Bush Administration had added the Holy Land Foundation to the list of fronts, most of which posed as charities, for terrorist funding to be prosecuted and they were protesting about how innocent they were.
Uh-huh. They also complained that they were "harassed" by the FBI before in 1998 for connections to the African Embassy bombings, too.
Wish these were the only jihadis in my area, but I don't think they are.
Good start, though.
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thx for expanding, Master Fred!
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Add CAIR to the front list, move it to the top.
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Jen, I would think you alone woulda cleared a "defensible-space" as we say here in So Cal fire territory :-)
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Lordy, I wish, Frank!
In Steven Emerson's fine book on Islamist Terrorism here in America, he claims that Al Queda has a cell here.
As Howard Dean would say, 'YARRRRRRRGH!"
But our huggy feely Liberal mayor Laura Miller (Miss March for the Nanny Police State calendar) wants to bitch about the Patriot Act...
There are 3-count 'em 3--mosques in Arlington, TX (between Dallas and Ft. Worth) and to me, those are hotbeds of IslamoNazism that need to be monitored 24/7.
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Dang Jen, sounds like you are on the front lines there, and that moonbat mayor of yours is not helping.
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A man suspected in Florida of having ties to an Islamic terrorist organization was arrested after an indictment accused him of making $1.6 million in phony food stamp transactions. Hatem Fariz, 31, pleaded innocent Wednesday to wire and mail fraud charges. Another hearing was set for Monday and prosecutors said they planned to ask that Fariz be held without bail. Prosecutors said Fariz defrauded the food stamp program five years ago at a store he owned in Chicago. Defense attorney Luis Galvan declined to comment on the charges.
Fariz lives in Spring Hill, Fla., where he is free on $1.1 million bail while awaiting trial on federal racketeering and conspiracy charges in a separate case accusing him of being a member of a terrorist organization. He was arrested Wednesday at his mother's home near Chicago. According to the Chicago indictment, Fariz and his employees rang up transactions on customers' food stamp debit cards from May 1999 to December 2000. Under the indictment, the cardholders received cash instead of groceries, and Fariz collected a fee. "He used the ... card like an ATM machine, a high-priced ATM where you'd take a fee for trading for cash," said prosecutor James Barz. Prosecutors would not say how much of that money ended up in Fariz's pocket, but the store redeemed $1.6 million in electronic food stamp transactions while having only $149,000 in total food sales.
Easy money
In the Florida case, Fariz and others, including former University of South Florida professor Sami Al-Arian, are accused of being members of a cell of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, a group allegedly responsible for at least 100 killings in Israel.
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Jeezzzz, Spring Hill 'eh? I wonder if it's the original 7/11 at the entrance of the town/60's eyesore.
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Add Elashi to the growing list of CAIR affiliates convicted or awaiting trial/deportation under terrorist related and fraud charges, most notably, Ismail Royer, Bassam Khafegi, see www.danielpipes.org website for the entire list and updates regarding the CAIR convictions and arrests.
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Fariz lives in Spring Hill, Fla., where he is free on $1.1 million bail while awaiting trial on federal racketeering and conspiracy charges in a separate case accusing him of being a member of a terrorist organization.
Wouldn't it be a good idea to make all terrorism related charges, "no bail?" There seems to be an awfully high chance of flight to avoid prosecution, plus interdicting all communication between arrested terror suspects and their cohorts certainly seems like a really, really good idea.
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Convienience store owner makes a $1.1 mil bail? Wonder how much he charges for a pack of smokes when he's not running food stamp scams.
More likely, wonder who his friends are?
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A similar scheme is for owners of these little convenience stores to clip all the coupons from a stack of Sunday newspapers and redeem them. Example: 100 papers x $40 coupons X 52 weeks = $208,000 / yr.
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people with these kind of comments are clearly haten, go hate somewhere else suckers....
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Hatem in more trouble ?
Just because he distributed the goods in Spring Hill ?
Just because his former employer lied to FBI about knowing him before hiring him ?
Please leave poor misguided HATEM alone.
Officials believe al Qaeda may be entering the "operational or planning phase of an attack" before the November presidential election, an administration official said Thursday. Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge is expected to announce that warning at a briefing at 11 a.m. Thursday. No new specific intelligence exists, however, and Ridge will not announce that he is raising the national color-coded threat level beyond the yellow, or elevated, level. It was not immediately clear how the assessment of existing intelligence has led Ridge to his expected remarks. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tennessee, said the intelligence was "very non-specific" and there was "no reason for panic, no reason for paralysis. "This is not a major announcement, itâs just a fact," Frist told reporters. "The reality is of increased risk here in the homeland over the next several weeks, the next several months."
Officials say there is no specific intelligence of a planned attack on either of the major political conventions. The four-day Democratic convention kicks off July 26 in Boston, Massachusetts, and the Republican National Convention begins August 30 in New York City. Officials say Ridge thinks it is time to again raise public awareness. Because there is no plan to raise the threat level and only general information, some Democrats privately have questioned whether the timing of the announcement is politically motivated. A senior administration official said accusations of scaremongering are to be expected. But the official, who has read Ridgeâs prepared remarks, added, "This is one of those damned if you do and damned if you donâts, and our default is âdo.â " A senior campaign adviser to Sen. John Kerry, President Bushâs expected rival in November, said he is giving the White House the benefit of the doubt. He added, however, that the White House would have to explain its reasons for the new warnings.
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He added, however, that the White House would have to explain its reasons for the new warnings.
Uhhh, because it makes sense to plan for the worst case scenario?
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You have to explain if you raise the level... warnings are part and parcel of the current status. No explanations are required for those who understand we are at war here.
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planning on removing bolts from one of the suspension bridges....yep
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Dallas, TX: How many alleged terror attacks have been thwarted in the United States since 9-11? And how many suspects are now in custody for their connection to these terror plots?
Daniel Klaidman: It's a good question that we can't answer definitively. In our cover story this week, we report on a number of alleged plots being planned in the U.S. They include: bringing down the Brooklyn Bridge, blowing up a number of gas stations simultaneouly and attacking planes and trains. But it's unclear how far along Al Qaeda got in it's planning.
Bush issues warning, nothing happens. Response: Bush issued the warning to promote his election chances by frightening the American People.
Bush doesn't issue warning, attack occurs: Response: Dereliction of duty, what did he know and when did he know it, etc.
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I notice the arabs downstairs have ditched a suitcase with LAX on it.
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I may seem overly optimistic, but then I can afford to be.
I believe that Al Qaeda has been rocked back on its heels and is unable to mount much in the way of any offensive operations. I figure a large scale bombing attack is likely out of the question, but not a smaller one. It all depands on the breaks.
Think about it: Al Qaeda can't slip up once in its drive to attack the US in its homeland. One turn without a turn signal, one beaten stripper, one skipping out without paying a bill and an operation can come unravelled. And the only thing more humilating for your average run-of-the-mill jihadi than wearing Lyndie's panties while on her leash, is a failed attack.
The bad guys have got to be aware of this. They get one shot per operations. One teeny tiny slipup and its all over.
Having said all the above, I believe Al Qaeda's next best (best as in best chances for a success) tactic will be a small arms attack. It is not all that hard to move weapons about this country. Plus, a successful attack could serve as all the excuse liberals need to call for an outright ban on all guns. A successful smal arms attack could yield political benefit for Al Qaeda here in the homeland.
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I guess thery figured it worked in Spain, maybe it'll work in the US. What's to lose besides a few infidels and a couple of FREDS.
AQ wet-dream: big hit before the election; US voter says "look what GW got us into and now he can't protect us; better vote for Lurch and Dan Quayle II)."
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One thing that would not happen if there is an attack, would be the resolve of the American people to get those SOB's. If they think the American public will try to force their elected officials to appease, boy do they have it wrong.
Plus, it's not like either candidate has ever said we shouldn't go after al qaeda. So what do they expect will happen if they try to disrupt one or the other conventions, or anything else related to the election?
I'm really surprised they haven't copied the DC sniper method. They could pretty easily screw things up if they did that in allot of cities at the same time.
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I believe Al Qaeda's next best (best as in best chances for a success) tactic will be a small arms attack. It is not all that hard to move weapons about this country.
I think you are absolutely right. 8 dead-enders with semi-automatics rifles in any-mall USA would raise all sorts of hell. It might even stir Meat Moore to make another movie.
Many major terrorist attacks that have been thwarted since 9-11-01 by the diligent efforts various federal security agencies & police, which were planed on U.S., but the general feeling is its better to alarm the public any further.
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The shame of it is that there is just so much success that has happened that will never be public due to it being on the wrong side of some line on the map, or due to protection of sources and methods.
The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Wednesday afternoon released a list of explosives stolen from a San Mateo County storage facility in a theft discovered over the holiday weekend. The thief or thieves, who carted away about 200 pounds of goods in all, stole 800-900 commercial and military blasting caps from the facility near Crystal Springs Reservoir, according to ATF spokeswoman Marti McKee. Additionally, 1,700 feet of "det cord," used for detonating other explosives, was taken, as was 75 feet of "det sheet," which McKee described as a dough-like explosive material that can be molded into different shapes. Also missing are 114 pounds of binary explosives and 30-35 pounds of C-4 military explosives, McKee said. A number of agencies share use of the storage facility, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the San Francisco Police Department and the San Mateo County sheriffâs office, said bureau spokeswoman Marti McKee. All of the agencies are participating in the ATF investigation that was launched Tuesday morning to try and locate the stolen explosives, McKee said.
John Torres, special agent in charge of the ATF investigation, said that recovering the explosives is "absolutely a top priority" for the bureau. "ATF will employ all the resources available to us to track down these stolen explosives, return the explosives to safe storage, and find those responsible for the theft," Torres said.
THEY FOUND THEM: About 200 pounds of explosives and bomb-making hardware stolen from a storage locker used by two public safety agencies have been recovered from a stolen van, authorities said Thursday. The van was stopped near a shopping center in Union City Wednesday night, said McKee. "It was a stolen van with stolen plates and we had information that possibly it was connected to the theft," she said. "We think we've recovered all of the explosives." A man was detained by Hayward police but he was not arrested pending questioning by ATF agents, McKee said.
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Here it is....I got it....KABOOM!
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Additionally, 1,700 feet of "det cord,"
Better start checking new patio construction in Broward County.
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i was at an airshow(westover today and they had an a-10 warthog, aka tank buster, right in front of the crowd, they were diving and "bombing a target, but the timing was off pretty much ehehehe also it came around a detonation went , no words to desrcibe it an instantanious 250ft liniar ball of flammes with a rather soft explosion in regards to the flames, one of the fightetr pilots said they probably were using det cord, why can such a "cord" make such huge balls of flame, i was standing about 200yrds away and felt the heat blast beflre the noise, thats also another qustion, the heat wve travels faster than sound???? also could they have riggec up a bunch of 5 gal gas tanks, together and the det cord, 21k feet per second would inginte them "instantaniously from human eyeballs correct??, it seems to me that det cord burns faster than the powder in an estes rocket(toy rocket) engine, did anyone else on this board see what i am trying to ask????(Westover airbase- airshow in massachussets near spingfield, it was awesome, i was tuirned around and felt a huge heatwave aurround me then kaboooom, what really is det cord to make all parallel sticks go off at same time, why not use electricalfuses/connections, thanks george
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Ooops
Now how did that happen?
'pose I shouldn't be talking on the phone while I'm posting.
What I thought I posted, was :
"Some good articles today"
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http://www.homelandsecurityus.com
Soldiers again failed to capture elusive Abu Sayyaf leader Khadafi Janjalani, but killed his follower as the government and the terrorist groupâs forces clashed early this week in Palembang town in Sultan Kudarat province. Col. Edgardo Guera, commander of Armyâs 601st Infantry Brigade, said Bayan Binago died of multiple bullet wounds in his body during the encounter. The soldiers were on a two-day operation that started on Monday in the outskirts of the municipality.
Guera said Binago was a member of Abu Sofia gang, a small group of armed men engaged in kidnapping that joined the Abu Sayyaf last year. Guera said operatives of the 11th Special Forces Company were scouring an area in Palembang when they chanced upon Janjalani, along with 15 other men. No one was reported injured or killed in the government side during the operation. âOur operation forms part of the governmentâs effort to neutralize his [Janjalaniâs] group,â Guera said. Janjalani, who carries a $5-million bounty for his arrest, was sighted on the border of Palembang, along with 80 followers last year. The jungles of Palembang are known to be controlled by the Moro Islamic Liberation Front.
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TWO people were killed today in a gunbattle between members of the clan of US Marine Wassef Ali Hassoun and people who taunted them as being American collaborators, Lebanese security and hospital officials said. Witnesses said a distant relative of Corporal Hassoun opened fire on people who taunted him outside his shop, which stands in a separate part Tripoli where the family of Corporal Hassoun lives. The casualties, who included three wounded people, were not members of the Hassoun clan, which numbers over 1000 people, witnesses and officials said, speaking on customary condition of anonymity.
Corporal Hassoun, who disappeared in Iraq more than two weeks ago, turned up in Lebanon and was meeting American officials at the US Embassy in Beirut, according to US State Department spokesman Richard Boucher. Journalists had waited all day outside the building where his family owns an apartment in the Abu Samra neighbourhood, hoping to meet the Marine or members of his family. Members of the Hassoun clan used cars to block the street outside the building at both ends.
The security officials were vague about how the gunbattle began, but they said it had to do with an earlier dispute that was compounded by jeers to the effect that the Hassouns were US collaborators owing to Corporal Hassounâs service in the US armed forces. Witnesses said a member of the Hassoun family, a distant relative of Corporal Hassoun, had been arguing for days against the presence of street vendors outside his store. During one such argument today, people provoked the shopkeeper with taunts that his family were American agents, said the witnesses, who spoke on condition of anonymity. Mr Hassoun went into his shop and came back with a rifle. He opened fire, killing two people and wounding three others, the witnesses said. Mr Hassoun then fled, leaving his shop open.
Relatives of the victims quickly arrived on the scene. One threw a grenade into the shop, setting it on fire, the witnesses said. Members of the crowd attacked two photographers, including Mahmoud Tawil who freelances for The Associated Press. Police sealed off the area and began searching for Mr Hassoun. Tripoli, Lebanonâs second-largest city, is a predominantly Sunni Muslim town where anti-American sentiments are strong in certain quarters. In 2002-03, a series of bombs exploded outside American franchises in Tripoli and Beirut, such as McDonaldâs and KFC. The attacks, which wounded five people, were seen as a response to Washingtonâs policies on Israel and Iraq.
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Lebanon, formerly the "Switzerland of the Middle East", is now the "Lebanon of the Middle East". What a shithole waste of a beautiful country, thanks to the Paleos, Syrians, and Druze
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Could this Hassoun story possibly get any more bizarre???
I don't think so!
Now, his family has started a new war in Lebanon, which, although it was the client state of terrorist Syria, had been quiet and unheard from until now.
Who IS this guy?
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Maybe Wassef can apply his Marine training in the service of his clan. The US certainly didn't get its money's worth.
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I am wildly disappointed. I wanted the guy to STFU about 1/3 through and get real. 20-30 ExLax treatments and maybe he'll actually come up with a working outline, something actionable. Grrrrrrrrrrr...
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The big word (you won't hear) is "counter-terrorism". Unlike terrorist acts that target civilians, counter-terrorism uses terrorist methods to target the terrorists themselves.
Say, just as an example, if a couple of members of Iran's Guardian Council turned up minus their heads and a specific internal organ or two.
Or if radical Imams all over the world suddenly started to develop horrible, painful and disfiguring diseases, as if Allah himself has cursed them. Or whole towns are afflicted with homicidal hallucinations.
You see, these buggers don't know what real terrorism is. When educated, western peoples turn their efforts to committing acts of terrorism, the result is beyond horror movies, and way beyond what these primitive vandals are ready to deal with.
TEL AVIV - Israel told the UN nuclear watchdog on Wednesday that Iranâs atomic programme is a front for developing nuclear weapons that could one day be used against the Jewish state, prompting angry reactions from Syria and Iran. "They (the Israelis) were expressing concern about Iran," Mohamed ElBaradei told reporters after meeting Israelâs nuclear energy commission director, other officials and a former head of the Mossad secret service.
ElBaradei, who heads the International Atomic Energy Agency, is on a three-day visit to Israel, which refuses to admit or deny having nuclear weapons under a policy of "strategic ambiguity". International experts believe it has 100-200 warheads, based on estimates of the quantity of plutonium that has been produced at its Dimona desert reactor.
ElBaradei said his attempts to promote the idea of a nuclear weapons-free zone in the Middle East ran up against Israeli concern about Iranâs nuclear ambitions and about the hostility to Israel of some states in the region. "The majority of the countries in the Middle East feel that there is this security imbalance in the Middle East, this double standard," ElBaradei said of the assumption that Israel has atomic weapons and other Middle East states do not. "Here the Israelis are saying you cannot even discuss that because we cannot lower our security threshold before we have a comprehensive peace where we are fully accepted as part and parcel of the region," he said.
Iran, which -- unlike Israel -- has signed the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), says it wants nuclear technology solely for the obliteration of the evil Jooooos peaceful generation of electricity. But Washington and Israel accuse Tehran of concealing research that could be related to nuclear arms for nearly two decades until last year. ElBaradei has said "the jury is still out to lunch" on whether Iran is seeking the bomb.
Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi said the Israelis were pointing the finger at Iran in an attempt to avoid censure for Israelâs nuclear weapons programme. "The Zionist regimeâs claims about Iranâs nuclear programme are aimed at veiling its own nuclear activity and avoiding revealing its nuclear secrets to the IAEA," state television quoted him as saying.
Syrian state radio said in a commentary that ElBaradeiâs visit was a reminder that Israel "is ignoring all international efforts to prevent the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, at the head of which are nuclear weapons."
The Swiss state radio was rather quiet though about NKor, Iranian, Syrian, and Pakistani proliferation.
IAEA spokesman Mark Gwozdecky told reporters ElBaradei could act as a kind of "go-between" between Israel and its neighbours so that they could work out their differences and come to a security arrangement that did not include nuclear weapons.
That's so idiotic that it could only be spoken by someone affiliated with an international agency.
Asked if the Israelis agreed with ElBaradeiâs view that the Israel must begin talks on disarming itself as a parallel process to Middle East peace negotiations, Gwozdecky said: "Theyâre certainly listening and rolling their eyes in disgust. We need to talk with the prime minister."
ElBaradei will meet Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom on Thursday and analysts said Iran was likely to come up again in those talks.
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I guess ElB wasn't listening when Iran stated that as soon as they have a nuke Israel gets nuked.
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This is HUGE trouble, and I wonder just exactly how much longer we are going to dick around with the "international community" that knows so goddamn much about whats good for everybody but is to pussified to do anything about it?
I'm much more frightened of nuclear war now than I was 25 years ago. Too bad there are so many brillant assclowns that refuse to learn from history and insist that the world is beyond disinegrating into war. The League of Nations UN has already demonstrated itself as usless at best and dangerous at worst, they really need to be told to do one of 3 things: Lead, Follow or get the hell out of the way. My money is on them continuing to hem and haw and get absolutley nothing done, while the Islamist world gears up for their global caliphate.
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When enough unstable countries get nulclear weapons and a city gets nuked, what are the options for the target country?
1. Take it and do nothing. This invites more nuclear attacks.
2. Nuke a city of the counties they suspect.
A. Which invites nuclear retaliation.
B. Which invites all out nuclear war between target country and suspect countries.
C. If suspect counties are to be destroyed, before going down, they have incentive to nuke their other enemies in order to prevent takeover.
D. Cycle (C) repeats with these new target counties.
Logically, once a nuclear exchange starts, the incentive is to skip escalation and immediately nuke all possible enemies before you are destoyed.
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Israel tells ElBaradei Iran wants atomic bomb
Don't waste your breath, Israel. Baradei knows that. In fact, he's trying to help them get it. Just so they can murder you.
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Does anyone have an idea why we or Israel hasn't already taken out Iran's nuke factory? It really makes no sense to me. I'd bet the Israel of 20yrs ago would have already done it. Do you think Iran already has a few and thats why we aren't taking action?
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ElBaradei has said "the jury is still out to lunch" on whether Iran is seeking the bomb.
ElBaradei is hopelessly compromised and any putative authority he may have had is fatally flawed. Get rid of him, quick.
When enough unstable countries get nulclear weapons and a city gets nuked, what are the options for the target country?
This is why it is so important to obtain "fingerprint" samples of radioactive material from all foreign reactors. It permits tracing the residue of any nuclear explosion back to the enrichment facility that produced it.
Pakistan has refused to release such specimens and Iran doubtlessly will avoid doing so as well. In such an event, if a city is nuked, then those countries who have not provided trace analysis samples should immediately be glassed over.
This needs to be made a global policy. The real problem comes if a black market Ukraine suitcase bomb gets set off. I do not see any other measure but to nuke Ukraine as an example. There has to be a horrible price for anyone considering nuclear terrorism or assisting its proliferation.
America has the benefit of being outside the range of all but the most advanced missile technology. We will need to carefully deploy devastating strikes against anyone who even attempts a nuclear attack upon us.
None of this pre-empts the importantance of interdiction. Iran's weapons program immediately must be reduced to smouldering rubble. There is not one single reason for taking any chances with such a bellicose regime and they certainly deserve none.
Do you think Iran already has a few and thats why we aren't taking action?
It's unlikely that Iran has fabricated any devices as of yet. You can rest assured that Israel is straining at the leash right now. Because there is no obvious or peaceful resolution awaiting this entire issue, I fail to see why anyone is waiting. A nuclear armed Iran would be one of this century's greatest blunders.
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The words of a top, hard-line IRGC ideologue, Hassan Abassi, only add to the concerns about an Iranian-facilitated attack. "We will map 29 sensitive sites in the United States and give the information to all international terror organizations," Abassi said recently.
What else is that but a flat-out declaration of war? Iran has crossed the line far too often of late to be of any further use to the world community.
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Read the accounts of Iranian planning and control of the bombings of the Israeli embassy and Jewish cultural center that killed nearly 300 in the mid 1990s Argentina.
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Iran and Spain agreed to expand cooperation in the fight against terrorism and extremist groups.
Guess it depends on your definition of terrorism and extremism, doesn't it?
Iranâs Deputy Interior Minister for Political Affairs Morteza Mobalegh told IRNA after a meeting with Spanish Deputy Interior Minister for Security Affairs Antonio Camacho Vizcaino here Tuesday, that the two sides were of the view that fundamentalism, al-Qaeda and regional problems arising from occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq have cause many problems for Iran. "Iran has been the instigator victim of terrorism. This issue prompts European states, which are also faced with such a problem, to help Iran seriously in this regard," he said.
During the meeting, Iran and Spain agreed to sign a security, political and social agreement.The agreement will draw frameworks for Spanish dhimmitude bilateral cooperation in the fields of fight against terrorism and narcotic drugs, extradition of criminals, the issue of refugees, providing facilities for the two countriesâ citizens and exchange of expertise in various political areas. Mobalegh noted that the agreement will be signed during a forthcoming groveling visit by Spanish Interior Minister Jose Antonio Alfonso to Iran. Mobalegh arrived in the southwestern European state of Spain Sunday evening on a working visit. This is the first visit by an Iranian official to Spain since coming to power of a socialist government in that country. Political relations between Iran and Spain reached its highest level during Iranian President Mohammad Khatamiâs tenure.
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Iran and Spain agreed to expand cooperation in the fight against terrorism and extremist groups.
This consists solely of Spain making good on any Iranian demand.
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It's nice to get an "in" on the European intelligence agencies. A mullah never knows when those crazy Americans may go Medieval on their @$$es.
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Spain cooperates with Iran.
That figures.
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Iran and Spain? Anti-terrorism? Is this another damn crosspost from Scrappleface? I swear, if the world gets any stupider, Mr. Ott will be out of business.
Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not, but I am sick of this excuse for governments who are willing to "do business" with every terrorist, psychopath, and sociopath they encounter. It DOES matter who you do business with. Actions like this shed a light on why they just couldn't see a reason for kicking Saddam out.
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If Spain was incapable of feeling shame before this, they no longer can claim any inability. We are now treated to the ugly spectacle of Spain feeding the hand that bites them. I hope Spain's disgrace lasts for decades.
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I have stated this before, but for those who missed it. All al-Qa'ida & other pro-jihad Muslim non-profit groups registered under the IRS status of 501C-3 raise their millions for the 'cause' TAX FREE.
Similar non-profit tax laws exist in Canada and Britain allowing the enemy to take full advantage to operate directly in the mist of the 'infidel' nations all the way to the bank.
Much of the enemy's tax-free funding is of course transferred overseas to 'safe' banking locations.
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An Al Qaeda-linked group refused a ransom offer before beheading US hostage Nicholas Berg in Iraq two months ago, an audiotape purporting to come from their leader Abu Musab Al Zarqawi said. "Some intermediaries tried to save this parasite (Berg) by offering whatever sums of money we wanted, and despite our great need for money for jihad (holy war) we chose to avenge our Islamic nation," said the voice on the tape, found on the Internet yesterday. The voice on the tape posted on Islamist websites resembled that on a tape attributed to Zarqawi last month in which he vowed to assassinate Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi. Zarqawi, who has a $25 million (BD9.45m) US bounty on his head, also slammed Islamic preachers who condemned Bergâs beheading, which his group followed with the decapitation of a South Korean in June.
The quartet of Middle East mediators has told the Palestinian Authority to carry out long-delayed security reforms or risk losing international support and funding. A Western diplomat on Wednesday said the quartet envoys from the United States, Russia, the United Nations and the European Union told Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmad Quraya that the international community was "sick and tired of empty promises from Yasir Arafat and lack of action on security reforms. If this (reforms) is not done, there will be no international support and no funding from the international community."
The envoys met Palestinian officials in the West Bank city of Ram Allah where Arafat, the Palestinian president, has been confined to his compound by Israeli forces since late 2001. "They stressed the need to carry out security reform, that this is the key to everything," said Palestinian cabinet minister Saib Uraiqat. Western diplomats said the Quartet's security demands were identical to those presented by Egypt ahead of a planned Israeli pullout of Jewish settlers from the Gaza Strip next year. "Arafat must reduce his dozen or so security forces to three, change all corrupt security bosses, change the interior minister and empower the prime minister," one diplomat said. "Arafat has done nothing or very little (so far). Everybody now is sick and tired of empty talk and there is total disillusion with the Palestinian Authority," he added. Arafat has publicly accepted Egypt's terms, linked to its offer to send security advisers into Gaza to help stabilise it after Israelis depart, but has taken no action on the ground to reform his chaotic security apparatus.
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shit! Saeb Erekat's still alive and at Arafat's side? Kill this PR parasite first, then spike the babywipes with cyanide.
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Quartet tells Arafat: Reform or else
Since reform has always been out of the question, let's go with the "or else" part of it right away.
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he's delivering gas. Doing a fricking job! When will the rest of the muslim world get a fuckin' clue that this shit needs to be stamped out, brutally, starting in the Moskkks. This makes me sick! (/rant)
*crickets chirping, dammit*
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Hopefully, Allawi will get a coalition together and flush the toilet.
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I dunno, Zenster. Maybe if the so-called anti-terror hotline has to do with nukes, then all-righty then. Maybe someone in Pakland got hit by a clue bat. But if the hot line is for terrorists only, then it probably just is window dressing.
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Georgian soldiers clashed with gunmen in the separatist region of South Ossetia on Thursday, Prime Minister Zurab Zhvania said. Two Georgian soldiers were wounded. South Ossetian government spokeswoman Irina Gagloyeva dismissed the claim as "sheer misinformation," the Interfax news agency said. Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili has vowed to restore Georgian control over South Ossetia, which has been de-facto independent since separatist fighting ended in 1992, and tensions have risen sharply in the region in recent weeks.
Georgian, Russian and South Ossetian forces all conduct peacekeeping operations in the region, which borders the Russian republic of North Ossetia. Zhvania said the attack took place at a Georgian peacekeepers' position between the villages Tamarasheni and Kurti. He did not provide other details, but said Georgia is taking measures "in order not to allow an armed conflict." The reported clash came hours after South Ossetian forces detained and disarmed another contingent of Georgian peacekeepers. On Tuesday, Georgian police stopped a column of 10 trucks carrying Russian servicemen, missiles and other military equipment into South Ossetia from Russia, and sent two of the trucks containing 160 unguided missiles to the Georgian capital, sparking strong criticism from Moscow.
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An Iraqi man who owns a laundry and a restaurant on a United States military base in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul was found with his hands cut off and an eye gouged out, the police said on Thursday. Accused of "collaborating" with the American forces, 58-year-old Yunes Mohamed Ali was kidnapped while driving in his car on June 29. The kidnappers demanded a $20 000 (about R120 000) ransom from his family, who handed over the money, said police commander Rael Faez Nafal. The victim was found dumped by the roadside on Wednesday in the region of Kukeji, east of Mosul, 370km north of Baghdad. After examining the amputations, Mosul hospital Doctor Walid Jassem said the kidnappers had "some knowledge of surgery".
Now what happens?
A U.S. Marine who was reported missing in Iraq more than two weeks ago is alive and at the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, where American officials are meeting with him, authorities said Thursday. Cpl. Wassef Ali Hassoun is safe and appears to be in good health, said a Pentagon official, speaking on condition of anonymity. In making the announcement about Hassoun, State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said in Washington: "We were able to go get him."
When reached at his West Jordan, Utah, home Thursday morning, Hassounâs brother, Mohamad, said he had no comment. Contradictory reports have surrounded the fate of the 24-year-old Lebanese native since his disappearance June 20. On Saturday, a statement posted on a Web site known for extremist Muslim comment said Hassoun had been beheaded. A day later, another Web statement declared he had not been killed. An Iraqi militant group said Monday it was holding him in a safe place but hadnât killed him. Al-Jazeera television broadcast the statement from "Islamic Response," which claimed responsibility June 27 for Hassounâs kidnapping.
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Well, at least he's got his head. What ever he may or may not have done he did not deserve to be executed by those jhidi animals.
He and the Corps can take care of business.
We don't need to be involved.
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If he took off on his own, as Fox News was speculating this morning, then that's desertion from a combat zone. This should be fully investigated, because if he's guilty of that then he should be shot.
Whatever the case, there is a lot of explaining to do on why he ended up two countries away.
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i dont think we've executed a deserter since WW2. And in WW2 we only executed one, a particularly egregious case who deserted multiple times, IIRC.
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Hope "the Marines will deal with it" is code language for kick the shit out of him and leave him a wet puddle. The last I heard, this man swore to terrorist scum that he would not perform work for the US Marines any more. Shock from what he saw while there I can understand; betrayal of country I cannot.
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Easy to talk tough about this guy while your fat ass is sitting behind a computer, eh? Try having a terrorist with a big fucking knife at your throat telling you he's going to cut off your head. Once you've done that, then you can talk all you want about this guy. Until then, STFU. None of us know the truth of what happened and unless God comes down and tells us, we never will. I trust the Marine Corps to take care of this appropriately.
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AllahHateMe-Decide whether you want non-military folks on the military's side or not. If you don't want us with you, it's going to be awful lonely out there-no friends, no allies, no loyal supporters.
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Regardless of motive.... it should be noted that he turned up at the US Embassy. I had an Uncle (yep) who went missing from the PineApple Div. before the war (the big one, WWII) and turned himself in after Dec.7th.
Guardhouse, bust, noted on record. Sent to a rifle company when the division was deployed to the SW Pacific.
And yes it does sound like someting out of From Here To Enternity. LC ended up a 4 sripe again.
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The oddest thing is that Hassoun's family in Lebanon apparently engaged in a gun battle with a neighboring family who accused them of being American agents. (I think this was in the cnn.com account.) No Hassoun's were injured, but there were 2 people killed and 1 wounded. This just gets curiouser and curiouser.
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Tibor it may have been an honest disagreement over lawn maintenance.
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this one's going to be very interesting. Personally, I've always had a hunch that he was trying to desert. However, it will be interesting to hear what the rest of his squad would say about him. I bet any money the Marines at his base camp know the deal.
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AllahHateMe - What part of This should be fully investigated was unclear to you? If you cannot understand what is written, or do not bother to read comments to completion, why don't you yourself STFU?
There have been rumors of his desertion in the media going back for days, I hardly made them up on my own.
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NBC news reported that his brother, who is a truck driver, drove him out of Iraq to Lebanon.
[snip] "Shit, shit, they have weapons," he yells across the roof at his corporal.
"So fucking kill them," comes the pithy reply from the other ridiculously young solider.
"Wait, wait. Theyâre ICDC or ING or whatever the fuck theyâre called now," yells another. "Theyâre with us."
In the last week the Iraqi Civil Defense Corps has been renamed the Iraqi National Guard, a distinction that only means that the Iraqis will not be killed by the four man team thatâs protecting this impromptu command post. The roof is hot. Baghdadâs high temperature on Wednesday is 118 degrees and the men of squad two, second platoon of the 1st Cavalry Divisionâs 1-9 Regiment have already lost three men to the heat and itâs only about half past noon. When told that I had just happened to hook up with their unit after being caught in the middle of a running gun battle in central Baghdad, one of the men laughs. "Well, asshole, you just hooked up with the most dangerous squad in Baghdad," he says without looking up from his weapon, which is now trained on a small group of men several blocks away who are certainly not ING. Just what might be ordinary bravado from a young soldier echoes across the cement rooftop, his squad-mate clarifies. "No really we are," he says. "Out of the 11 of us, only two havenât won the Purple Heart in the last four months. It sucks to be us." He means that to be in his unit offers a nine out of 11 chance to be wounded in action. [snip]
EFL:
A UK government inquiry into the intelligence used to justify the war in Iraq is expected to conclude that Britain's spies were correct to say that Saddam Hussein's regime sought to buy uranium from Niger.The inquiry by Lord Butler, which was delivered to the printers on Wednesday and is expected to be released on July 14, has examined the intelligence that underpinned the UK government's claims about the threat from Iraq. The report will say the claim that Mr Hussein could deploy chemical weapons within 45 minutes, seized on by UK prime minister Tony Blair to bolster the case for war with Iraq, was inadequately supported by the available intelligence, people familiar with its contents say .
But among Lord Butler's other areas of investigation was the issue of whether Iraq sought to buy uranium from Niger. People with knowledge of the report said Lord Butler has concluded that this claim was reasonable and consistent with the intelligence. The Financial Times revealed last week that a key part of the UK's intelligence on the uranium came from a European intelligence service that undertook a three-year surveillance of an alleged clandestine uranium-smuggling operation of which Iraq was a part. Intelligence officials have now confirmed that the results of this operation formed an important part of the conclusions of British intelligence. The same information was passed to the US but US officials did not incorporate it in their assessment.
Oh, Mr. Wilson! Any comments? Hello?
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Steve to Mr. Wilson: so what about this intell about Iraq buying Uranium?
Mr Wilson to Steve: They outted my wife as CIA, thats illegal, they did it to get me .....
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Shame on every last journalist that cast aspersions on the US & UK that they fabricated the story that Hussein-got that BBC, got that CNN?-Hussein was trying to buy uranium from Niger. But then, they'll just assure us that he was just going to add it to his 8th grade science class element display case...
Chad rebels holding the Sahara's most-wanted terror suspect said Thursday that Libya had threatened to bomb them if they didn't meet a 48-hour deadline to surrender the suspect.
Smooth negotiators, those Libyans...
There was no immediate comment from Libya, which had confirmed to The Associated Press earlier this week that its forces had killed two of terror suspect Amara Saifi's accomplices. Saifi, the only known surviving leader of Algeria's al-Qaida allied Salafist Group for Call and Combat, has been claimed in the hands of Chad rebels since they came across him and several followers in the Sahara earlier this year. Months of negotiations have failed to obtain his surrender to Algeria, other African nations or the West. On Thursday, Chad rebels in the remote northern mountains of Chad received a satellite phone call from two Libyan officials giving them a 48-hour deadline to surrender Saifi, Brahim Tchouma, a spokesman in exile told The Associated Press. "At the end of 48 hours, they're going to bomb us in a way we've never been bombed," Tchouma quoted the two Libyans as telling the rebels.
Somebody needs to explain to Libya what happens when you try to bomb another country. Now, where are those carriers again?
Libyans also insisted on being given sole custody of Saifi, Tchouma said. "Why don't they want him to go free to the West? That's the question we should ask," the rebel spokesman said.
I believe the phrase "Dead men tell no tales" covers it.
Saifi is wanted in the killings of 42 Algerian soldiers and the kidnapping of 32 European tourists, both last year. Germany has an international arrest warrant out for him in the kidnappings, which saw one captive German woman die of apparent heatstroke. The rest were freed unharmed.
Rumor was that Libya assisted with paying the ransom demands. Perhaps they took a cut?
Algerian forces killed the Salafist's top leader and several of his lieutenants late last month. West African forces, supported by the United States and France, earlier this year chased Saifi and dozens of his followers across the Sahara. The chase ended when the Chad rebels announced they had captured them.
Saifi doesn't seem to be what you'd call a brilliant tactician...
Western diplomats and others say they believe rebels are holding Saifi, but can know for sure only when and if he is turned in. Diplomats and others have accused the Chad rebels of shopping the terror suspect from country to country in search of financial rewards.
We told them to put him up on eBay
Tchouma said Libya had recently entered into negotiations for Saifi's surrender, at what the rebel's said was Germany's request. Tchouma told the AP on Monday that rebels had turned two of Saifi's captured accomplices over to Libyan agents as a show of good faith. Libya's Foreign Ministry told the AP the next day that it had killed two Salafists but claimed they were shot as they tried to enter Libya. There was no confirmation the two were the same, but the announcement angered the rebels, who accused Libya and Algeria of killing the two to silence them.
That's what I thought.
Perhaps we need our own collection agency. Navy SEALS?
Thursday's alleged call from the Libyans came from a Mahdi Goukouni, Tchouma said, adding that Goukouni was the same person to whom the rebels had surrendered the two accomplices and a Col. Chaibane.
He'd be the guy in charge of tying up loose ends.
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Nobody around 2nd Battalion, 2nd Marine Regimentâs command operations center likes it when Cpl. Wesley S. Fominâs handheld computer beeps. When it does, everything comes in the room comes to a halt. It means mortars are inbound. It isnât a normal pocket-sized computer he holds in his hand, but the second piece of the Marine Corpsâ first line of defense against mortars - the lightweight counter mortar radar system. The other piece is a 150-pound radar. The LCMR can pick up the arc of a mortar crossing its 7000 meter-span. It bounces seven signals on the object in the air in just a shade under a half a second, ensuring it is indeed a mortar and reports a 10-digit grid to Fominâs palm pilot. The Marines in the COC hear "whump" of the mortar impact and are already getting ready to set up counter-fire. Fomin relays the coordinates to the Marinesâ 81 mm Mortar Platoon, who rotate their tubes and give the attackers a taste of their own medicine.
"Operation Iraqi Freedom II is the first time this thing has been used by a Marine Corps unit," Fomin, a 24-year-old from Oklahoma City, Okla., serving as a field artillery radio operator the battalion. "Itâs so new we just learned how to use it last week." When the Marines here replaced the Armyâs 1st Armored Division earlier this month, they took over the LCMR. In typical Marine fashion, they improvised to stretch the capabilities of the radar. "When this thing gets too hot it shuts down," Fomin said. "The Army couldnât use it during the hottest part of the day because of that." The Marines fixed the problem by hooking the radar to one of their air conditioners. "The AC keeps it cool enough to run 24 hours a day," he added.
Improvise, adapt, overcome. Gunny Highway would be pleased.
The actual radar system operates sort of like laser-beam security system. The radar establishes a plane high above ground level. If anything breaks the plane, the system begins to track it. "The great thing about the LCMR is it scans 360 degrees all the time, so weâre not watching for a blip on the radar," said Lance Cpl. Dennis Aguiar, a 23-year-old forward observer from Chico, Calif. "We (forward observers) canât be in multiple spots at once, but the LCMR can. It can track mortars launched in separate spots shot in different directions." This feature helps the Marines protect not only their own base camp but also their units in the field. "If something is shot up within the 7,000 meter range, we can track it even if itâs not being shot toward the radar," Aguiar said. "This means our units in the field also benefit from the LCMR." The handheld computer system is similar to most, using a common and familiar operating system. The common-based programs make it easier for Marines to learn to us the protective radar. "Your average Marine could pick this system up and be able to operate it a few days later," Aguiar said. "Even if you donât know what the 10 digit coordinates mean, you can still relay them to someone who can." The system not only benefits the Marines tactically against their enemies, but also psychologically.
"When the guys shooting at us know we can track their position as soon as they launch a mortar, it will make it harder for them to stay alive," said 1st Lt. James C. Moore, a 31-year-old artillery liaison officer from Clinton, S.C. "The lightweight system was designed for the Special Forces but it would be an asset to any battalion." The psychological impact also benefits the Marines, once they overcome their skepticism. "When a staff sergeant asked me if the system worked, I asked him if he heard our outgoing fire after we were last mortared," Fomin said. "When he said yes, I told him he answered his own question." Fomin said Marines around the battalion are learning to trust the gear and now when his computer beeps, itâs only moments until Marine mortars start flying back. "Itâs good to know we have this piece of equipment here," Fomin explained. "Itâs good to know we donât have to wait so long to fire back and when we do, itâll be a lot more accurate. And thatâs the whole goal, to find out where theyâre shooting from and kill the bastards."
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Dropping the round only takes a second and should be manual (no inadvertant firing). The big time waster is translating the coordinates, then hand laying the mortar to the coordiates. A computer can translate the coordinates in a microsecond and in a few seconds control a mortar tube on a turntable with azimuth servos. Time to fire is key, since the bad boys will may only take 30 seconds or a minute to fire, then scoot.
I would also like to see a mortar round with a video camera and control fins in the nose. That way a remote operator can steer the round onto target. Could be a real cheap smart round.
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Terminally guided mortar rounds have been in development for quite a while I believe.
#6
I know it's sad that over 800 have died, but the lessons learned in the past 16 months are the equivilant of over twenty years non-battle experience.
The veterans from this campaign are going to be awsome in the future. As the comment said "Improvise, adapt, overcome".
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This is great, but shouldn't it have been kept sort of SECRET? Why let the other side know about it?
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well, 7000M is roughly 4 miles. Since they can't hit a barn with a grenade thrown from 15 ft, they'll start getting so far outta range with their mortars (after reading this), they'll be lucky to hit the same province....
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I think this radar was used today in Samarra. Unfortunately, 5 soldiers were killed (along with at least 1 ING soldier) and many more injured in a mortar attack. Reports indicated that the US quickly responded with 4 mortar rounds and then an Apache gunned down 4 bad guys.
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Ed: lethal response mechanisms are being integrated with sniper detection systems for both vehicle and static applications. Should not be a big deal to do this same thing with a mortar.
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This is more like it. I'm curious whether ground units (surface or heliborne) are dispatched quickly to kill/assess bad guys on other end. Would also be nice to post leaflets everywhere offering $10K for each mortar-team member ID'd for our exploitation.
#12
Depending on weapon kill radius I'll bet there is a requirement for eyes on target prior to shooting. Perhaps the new government will be helpful in this regard.
Three foreigners arrested in Kabul this week were on a freelance counter-terrorism mission, the Afghan government says. They include at least one US national, Jonathan K Idema, a purported former US special services soldier who says he helped fight the Taleban in 2001. The men were detained for illegally holding Afghans in a private prison.
Everyone needs a hobby.
The Interior Minister, Ali Ahmad Jalali, said their activities had no legal standing. US officials say Mr Idema had tried to pass himself off as an American government or military official.
"I'm from the government. I'm here to help. Stick 'em up!"
The BBC's Andrew North in Kabul says this is the first official confirmation that Mr Idema and his group may have been acting beyond the control of US forces or the Afghan government in hunting alleged members of al Qaeda and the Taleban.
Bounty hunters, perhaps?
Wonder who put up the money?
The interior minister said Mr Idema and his colleagues had arrested eight people from across Afghanistan and imprisoned them. "They apparently said that their aims were to act against those carrying out terrorist attacks," Mr Jalali told journalists in Kabul. "But they did not have a legal relationship with anyone and the United States was also chasing them - they are actually rebels," he said. Earlier this week the US embassy warned journalists in Kabul about Mr Idema who says he helped anti-Taleban rebels fight the hard-line Islamic regime back in 2001. "The public should be aware that Idema does not represent the American government and we do not employ him," a US statement said.
Questions is, who does?
Security sources have told the BBC that the US military circulated warning notices about Mr Idema some time ago, describing him as armed and dangerous and accusing him of interfering with military operations in Afghanistan. Mr Idema has offered his services to the western media as an expert on fighting the Taleban and as Qaeda and has also featured in a bestselling book, The Hunt for Osama bin Laden.
Why does "Soldier of Fortune" magazine suddenly come to mind? If he's not a writer for them I'll wager he has a lifetime subscription.
The three men were arrested by Afghan police and intelligence officials in a district of Kabul on Monday. Reports on Wednesday said all three were American. But the nationalities of the other two are not clear.
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Three Americans arrested in Afghanistan were on a self-appointed counterterrorism mission that included abusing eight inmates in a private jail by hanging them by their feet, Afghan officials said Thursday.
Like I said, a hobby.
A kinky hobby...
The U.S. Embassy identified one of the men detained Monday in a raid in Kabul as Jonathan K. Idema, a purported former Green Beret who claims to have links with Afghan militia forces. Interior Minister Ali Ahmad Jalali said the three men had, along with four Afghans also arrested Monday, "formed a group and pretended they were fighting terrorism."
"Yer under arrest, Idema!"
"What's the charge?"
"Fighting terrorism without a license! Book 'im, Danno!"
"They arrested eight people from across Kabul and put them in their jail," Jalali said at a news conference. Another Afghan security official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said intelligence and police officials found the prisoners hung by their feet. "They were hanging upside down," the official said on condition of anonymity. The official said reports on the case showed that the men were beaten, though he had no details.
No word on if any panties were found.
Bananas? Plaintains? Cabbages?
Idema, described in media reports as an ex-special forces soldier in his 40s, cropped up in Afghanistan in the winter of 2001 when U.S. and allied Afghan forces routed the Taliban. He offered his services to Western TV networks, including a videotape showing a purported al-Qaida training facility near Kabul, and later featured in a top-selling book called "The Hunt for Osama bin Laden." Afghan police and intelligence officers seized the men Monday in downtown Kabul. Jalali said the men were operating in Kabul under the guise of working for an export company.
I Googled "Jonathan K Idema" and found a "Keith Idema" who is quoted as a expert in the Waco investigation. Keith Idema, (Special Forces and Special Operations units from 1975 to 1992) helped train hostage rescue team personnel for both Delta Force and the FBI and who spoke just days ago to a Delta Force commando present at the final tear-gas assault, says this statement shows how Delta Force cringed over getting involved at Waco. Bet he's the same guy.
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Sounds like a charmer!
Speaking of charmers (note the professional segway) it's been 10 long years since the hammer of juchetice slipped away from this mortal coil.
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" ...and later featured in a top-selling book called 'The Hunt for Osama bin Laden.' "
Apparently the US new he was there. He gave a briefing to a US General, according to the book The Hunt for Osama bin Laden. He is, as the article notes featured prominately in the book. There is even a section where Robin Moore recalls a scene with Idema working along side the Northern Alliance, arranging drop zones, etc... . At one point a journalist--I think it was the guy from National Geogrphic--was wounded while tailing Idema.
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Saw an Interview on a MSNBC.Jesse Ventura had a news mag show(didn't last very long).Jesse was interviewing one of his Seal Team mates(ret)Jesse ask him if he could find/capture OBL for the $25 mill reward.He said yes but the gloves would have to come off,and no interference from pc buttheads.
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Me!
I like the guy. Should be more of them.
They are the only way we are are going to win.
Jesse ask him if he could find/capture OBL for the $25 mill reward.He said yes but the gloves would have to come off,and no interference from pc buttheads.
To paraphrase Crocodile Dundee "That's not terrorism, this is a terrorism!"
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More details: The US embassy said the three had identified themselves as American, but that this was still to be confirmed. Spokesman Roy Glover believes their names may be Jonathan Idema, Edward Caraballo and Brent Bennett. The three had been passing themselves off as US government or military officials.
Couldn't find anything on Bennett. Got one hit on a Edward Caraballo who made SSGT in the Marines in 1998. No way of knowing if he's the same guy, but it wouldn't surprise me.
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Idema was "Jack" in "The Hunt For Bin Laden," and was only identified at the end of the book. I wouldn't be surprised if these guys were getting paid on some level by a US "OGA." Except for the "private prison," I am not sure I have a problem with this. These guys appear to be on our side.
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Tibor, Why so sqeamish? Think the "hangers" were playing tiddly-winks for lollipops when they were captured, or just innocent bystanders? In that part of the world, there's no such thing!! Tipper has it pegged: "That's not terrorism, THIS is terrorism!"
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Their mistake was not thinking up a cool name for their li'l band...like the "93rd Nightstalkers" or the "Big Apple Avengers."
I also think we'll see more "outsourcing" unless we hurry up and jug/kill a whole lotta jihadi cannon fodder and some of the big fish soon. IMO, the world's business interests will take matters into their own hands if governments can't/won't provide a better security environment.
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Anonymous5289, I'm not squeamish, I just think that the idea of private prisons is a bit much. I'm sure there are plenty of US intelligence assets in Afghanistan who could interrogate people who might know things. My fear, however, is that these guys will do more harm than good and ruin the legitimate (lawful?) hunters' chances of bagging and tagging binny and his ilk.
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$50 - 75 million is a lot of money, you bag the big three and you are a very rich man. I like the idea of these kinds of bounty hunters.
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Does the phrase "... if you are discovered we will deny any knowledge of your existence..." ring any bells? **This tape will self destruct in 15 seconds...
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Keith Idema was identified as a wanna be Special Forces and Delta Operator.
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afghan court convicts3 u.s. citizens of torture.(head line in charlotte observer today. idema and bennett from fayetteville nc. home of Delta's enclosed and partially underground training facility and headquarters at ft. bragg.
To steal a phrase, if youâre shot, youâll be ok, but youâll be screaming in a voice only dogs can hear.
Marines here from 3rd Battalion, 11th Marine Regiment are currently testing lower body armor developed by the Marine Corps Warfighting Laboratory in Quantico, Va. The Kevlar shorts were designed to repel razor-sharp shrapnel from improvised explosive devices detonated by anti-Iraqi fighters along transportation routes throughout the country.
Yes, but can they repel a angry Thai woman with a knife?
According to Lt. Col. Lance A. McDaniel, battalion executive officer, the artillery unit received ten pairs of the shorts from the Warfighting Lab. The shorts arrived nearly a week ago and were distributed amongst the battalionâs batteries. "The gunners in our vehicles seem to be the most exposed to shrapnel," McDaniel said. "Weâve had a lot of Marines receive injuries to their buttocks and upper thighs." He said these shorts make the gunners, who man crew-served weapons on top of the vehicles, less vulnerable to serious injury during IED attacks. "The Marines wear flak jackets which protect their backs and chests," McDaniel said. "It only makes sense to have protection for the legs," The one-size-fits-all shorts are worn over a Marineâs uniform and are held up with built in suspenders. Each pair of shorts weighs close to 5 pounds.
Sounds good for vehicle gunners, may be too heavy for ground pounders.
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Smart. I was wondering when the military would deploy a Kevlar suite. I think it would also be good if it were easy to get in and out of, so that infantry can use it while riding in vehicles and quickly take it off if they need to dismount.
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LOL!
Seriously tho, it would be a morale booster for sure.
Im read where in WW Deuce (aka the big one) soldiers under a barrage would routinely put their helmet in what they considered the most important place. I also am told that air force type did the same thing only they sit on their flak jacket and cover their ass.
:)
#6
Sounds like what we really need is a Kevlar jockstrap.
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ed wrote: "I think it would also be good if it were easy to get in and out of, so that infantry can use it while riding in vehicles and quickly take it off if they need to dismount."
It would also be useful if it was easy to get into and out of so that infantry soldiers could quickly take it off if they need to mount someone [Lynndie England, perhaps].
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Insurgents fired mortar rounds at a headquarters used by U.S. troops and Iraqi forces in the city of Samarra on Thursday, destroying the building and killing four U.S. soldiers, the U.S. military said. An Iraqi guardsman was also killed and a fifth U.S. soldier was unaccounted for. Twenty other U.S. soldiers were wounded in the 10:30 a.m. attack, said Maj. Neal OâBrien, the spokesman for the 1st Infantry Division. U.S. troops secured the area around the collapsed building. American soldiers responded to the attack 25 minutes later, after radar determined where the mortar rounds were fired from. Soldiers counter-fired four 120 mm mortars in response. The wounded soldiers were being evacuated to a Multinational Force hospital. The names of the soldiers killed in action were being withheld pending the notification of next of kin.
Samarra, 60 miles north of Baghdad, is located in the so-called Sunni Triangle, a hotbed of anti-coalition resistance. The city has been wracked by violence throughout Thursday. The attack came amid a series of clashes in the city that killed three people and injuring 20 others, said Dr. Abid Tawfiq Director of the Samarra General Hospital. Witness also reported seeing helicopters and tanks in the city. A roadside bomb targeting a U.S. military convoy in Samarra earlier Thursday wounded one U.S. soldier, OâBrien said. Iraqi insurgents have long launched mortar and rocket attacks on U.S. bases, most of which cause no significant damage or casualties. At times, when the shells land in populated areas, casualties can number in the dozens. Last month, a rocket slammed into a U.S. logistics base near the city of Balad, killing three U.S. soldiers and wounding 25 people including a pair of civilians, the military said.
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American soldiers responded to the attack 25 minutes later
Damn, compare and contrast. Counter battery seems slow.
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They need to build roads around these Sunni towns,throw up a berm and barb wire,let the women and children out and just sit...nothing goes in and nothing else comes out.
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Damn, compare and contrast. Counter battery seems slow.
Like the enemy is going to wait 25 minutes to be pounded in return.
Adjust your tactics and operations, people. The price for trying to kill U.S. personnel needs to be made very, very high.
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Yeah, that "25 minutes" sort of leaps out at you, doesn't it? Not to mention that if the enemy is smart, they're shooting-and-scooting from a schoolyard, near a market, or somewhere else counter-fire (blind, as this appears to have been) will kill baby ducks and little kittens. A lot we don't know about this situation, as usual, but it is frustrating and infuriating all the same.
Jason's idea is similar to what I've though should have been done a long time ago, at least in Fallujah and Baquouba -- build bypass roads so the long-haul traffic doesn't need to go through the worst towns; put a strict vehicle lock-down with checkpoint around the towns; aggressively patrol/bribe/squeeze the locals and their economy so long as they harbor the idiots. The Triangle is oil-free and dependent on transport for their ag and thus very vulnerable to economic pressure. There may have been good reasons not to do so, but it seemed to me last summer that that particular region (politically and economically weak within Iraq, and the source of 99% of the trouble) should have been dealt with both more ruthlessly and more cleverly.
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Agree, Verlaine, certainly with the idea of bypass roads. Hell, we build ring-road interstates with 3-digit numbers in this country to move the traffic. Same thing ought to be good enough for the Triangle. That alone would make convoys less vulnerable. Might also ensure that the hard boyz have to break cover to come at us.
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actually my boys tell me the rag heads are setting up their mortars in the back of pick-up's and moving after a few rounds. Prolly the reason why they're hard to hit and also why the Iraqis usually suck at landing rounds on us (except in this case unfortunately). Seems like air needs to be called in first. Though 25 min's was prolly the time it took some brass-hole to make the decision to return fire.
Israelâs Shin Bet internal security service is intensifying surveillance of far-Right Jewish activists after intelligence reports that Ariel Sharon faces an imminent assassination attempt over his Gaza disengagement plan. Tsahi Hanegbi, the cabinet minister in charge of public security, said yesterday that he had a "bad feeling" that "someone, somewhere, was already planning an attack" against the prime minister or senior government figures. He said the would-be assassin was motivated by an urge to "save the people of Israel" and the hope that his action would block Mr Sharonâs plan to give up the Jewish presence in the Gaza strip and the northern West Bank by 2005. A similar warning was sounded on Sunday by Avi Dichter, head of the Shin Bet, which is equivalent to MI5.
Mr Hanegbi said that the current atmosphere of "incitement and extremism" bore similarities to the days that preceded the 1995 assassination of the then Israeli prime minister, Yitzhak Rabin. Mr Sharon, 76, said earlier this week that he was saddened by the thought that "I have worked all my life to protect Jews, and now I need protection from Jews". He incurred the wrath of Jewish settlers and lost his parliamentary majority because of his Gaza disengagement plan. He is counting on the opposition Labour party to join his government coalition if remaining Right-of-centre partners pull out. But the Labour party is deeply divided over the issue.
Mr Sharon said yesterday he would seek another term as prime minister in the next general election. In a ruling that addressed petitions by Labour and other opposition parties, Israelâs supreme court has ruled that elections will be held in November 2006, a year earlier than expected.
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The Philippines has barred any more workers from traveling to Iraq, after Arabic news network Al-Jazeera reported that a militant group had kidnapped a Filipino man. While President Gloria Macapagal Arroyoâs order applied to contract workers, the government has yet to respond to the kidnappersâ demand to withdraw Philippine troops. But reports of the hostage taking are expected to top the agenda when the Philippine government holds its cabinet meeting Thursday. The Philippines, a staunch ally of the United States, initially contributed about 100 troops to the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq. There are now just over 50 Filipino troops in Iraq, serving as part of a U.N.-mandated, American-led multinational force to assist the Iraqi interim government in providing security.
Meanwhile, at least 4,000 Filipino civilians are working in U.S. military bases in Iraq as cooks, mechanics or in other jobs. The president also offered government help for any workers who wanted to come home. Gilberto Asuque, a spokesman for the Philippines Department of Foreign Affairs, said a team has been established to work with the charge dâaffairs in Baghdad. "Our priority is to establish the identity of the hostage," Asuque said. The governmentâs Middle East envoy, Ambassador Roy Cimatu, said he was flying to Iraq later on Thursday to assess the situation.
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The Phippines Government as well as the Governments of India and Sri Lankan should forbid their nationals to go to any Muslim country in the Middle East to work. These poor people are treated like slaves in these countries and now, they have the added stress of being kidnapped and beheaded. Such sad existence!
#2
That's right. Why send your workers to Iraq to be slaughtered by Islamic militants when they can be slaughtered by homegrown Islamic militants in the Philippines?
#3
The Philippines government can't even control its own borders - I fail to see how it is going to prevent its nationals from going to Iraq. These guys need to concentrate on making it unnecessary for its people to go abroad by the tens of millions to make a living - by freeing the economy from the oligopolists and monopolists who are dominant there. Of course, this would also dry up the sources of bribe money for Filipino government officials, meaning that reform is a practical impossibility. And so Filipinos will continue turning up working as domestics in places far from their homeland.
None of this would have happened if the Philippines had remained under US control - but what do Filipino leaders care about the common people? Self-aggrandizement is all.
KHARTOUM, Sudan -- Fighting between Arab and African tribes has killed at least 70 people and displaced thousands more this week in the Darfur region of western Sudan, a member of parliament for the area said Wednesday.
Khalil Ahmed Abdullah told Reuters the clashes had escalated from a dispute between individuals to a genocide tribal conflict which had displaced 35,000 people from an area in the south of Darfur over the past four days. "Only 14,000 of them have been accounted for. We donât know where the others are," Abdullah said in Khartoum. Abdullah said the clashes did not involve Darfur rebels and Arab militia, known as Janjaweed, who the rebels say have conducted a campaign of ethnic cleansing in the area with government backing. Khartoum denies the accusation.
African leaders meeting in the Ethiopian capital Addis Ababa meanwhile Wednesday were considering sending troops to the Darfur region to protect the one million civilians who have fled marauding Arab militias, a senior African Union official said. Four African presidents, including South Africaâs Thabo Mbeki and Nigeriaâs Olusegun Obasanjo, the new AU president, were due to report to the full summit by Thursday, the official told Reuters. "They have established a committee to discuss expanding the mandate of the AU to protecting the civilians in Darfur," he said.
Also Wednesday British Prime Minister Tony Blair warned the Sudanese government to to expect tougher international action if it fails to help aid get through to starving people in Darfur. Blair told parliament that the food needed to ease the humanitarian crisis in the region was in place was in place and plans had been agreed on ways to tackle militia activity. "We expect the Government of Sudan to cooperate in this and if they do not so-operate we will have to consider what further measures we take," he said. "It is not acceptable if the aid is there that it does not get through to the displaced people."
More Bush unilateralism!
A U.N. official in Sudan was not able to verify the number of dead or displaced. "The last that we heard from there was that the situation had calmed down," the official said. A U.N. security team was assessing whether it was necessary to withdraw U.N. staff from the area, the official added.
"Run away, run away!"
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Frenchies have big commerical contracts with Sudan.
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NEW DELHI: In an apparent bid to unite various pro-freedom groups in Kashmir, moderate All Party Hurriyat Conference (APHC) chairman Maulana Abbass Ansari on Wednesday stepped down and appointed Mirwaiz Umer Farooq as the interim chief. Ansari quit the post at a meeting of the Hurriyat executive council held at Hurriyat headquarters in Srinagar and asked Mirwaiz Farooq, its founder chairman, to take over the reins.
A statement issued after an hour-long meeting said that Ansari had urged Mirwaiz Farooq to redouble unity efforts and consult all executive and general council members to restore the constitutional shape of the pro-freedom alliance. The statement said fresh elections would be held for the post of the chairman once the unity process was over. However the statement would not mention the third round of talks with the new Indian leadership, which was supposed to be the main agenda of the meeting. Soon after Ansariâs elevation as chairman last September, the Hurriyat had a split. First, senior leader Syed Ali Geelani walked away and formed his own faction. His exit was followed by Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF) chairman Mohammad Yasin Malik and Peopleâs League chief Sheikh Abdul Aziz.
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WASHINGTON, July 7 - With an interim Iraqi government now in place, the Pentagon is beginning long-range planning on how to reduce the number of American troops in Iraq, senior military officials said Wednesday.
Pentagon officials have previously said that about 135,000 troops would stay in Iraq through 2005. But the military's Joint Staff is working on detailed plans to reduce that number by 2006, on the assumption that Iraqi Army and other security forces will be ready to take on more responsibility by then, officials said. At a House Armed Services Committee hearing on Wednesday, the top operations officer for the Joint Staff, Lt. Gen. Norton A. Schwartz of the Air Force, signaled that this thinking was well under way. When asked about planning for the size of the American force that will move into Iraq for yearlong assignments beginning in late 2005 and early 2006, he declined to give troop figures but said, "There is a significant planning effort that will wrap up later this summer."
A senior defense official said later that the Joint Staff was developing options for a smaller force in Iraq, proposals that would be consistent with the goal of Gen. John P. Abizaid, the top American commander in the Middle East, to reduce the American military presence in Iraq over time. Some officials said those options revolved around 100,000 troops, or fewer, but troop levels could increase if security in Iraq worsened.
The continued American presence is a sore spot for the new Iraqi government as it seeks to establish credibility with the Iraqi people. And reducing it would lessen the strains placed on the United States Army by troop commitments in Iraq, Afghanistan and other countries.
For the first time, General Schwartz outlined the Pentagon's strategy for how Iraqi national guard and army forces could gradually replace American troops around the country, starting in the relatively stable north where he said security patrols would soon be conducted exclusively by Iraqi forces. In parts of the country where the insurgency is still fierce, American forces will remain in strength and conduct patrols on their own or with Iraqi troops. "The bottom line is, is that this will be done incrementally and it will be done in locations around Iraq where transitions can occur and the Iraqi security forces can be successful," said General Schwartz, who said that as Iraqi forces proved they could secure a region, American forces there would move to more restive areas. "We will cascade American forces from those locations to places where they can be better utilized," General Schwartz said. "And ultimately, naturally, we'll reduce the force structure in Iraq."
How long American forces stay in Iraq and in what numbers will be driven by security conditions on the ground and how quickly Iraqi security forces establish themselves, senior military officers here and in Iraq said. The United States Army, which is providing the bulk of the troops in Iraq, is preparing worst-case contingency plans to keep troop numbers at their current levels of 135,000 to 140,000 for the next several years, if necessary. "We've got plans to do that for as long as it takes because this will be event-driven, not time-driven," Gen. Richard B. Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said on "The Newshour With Jim Lehrer'' on PBS on July 1. General Schwartz said Wednesday that, based on the experience of training indigenous forces in Afghanistan, it would be "several years" before Iraq would develop a full complement of security forces.
But with one of the Army's most highly regarded officers, Lt. Gen. David H. Petraeus, now overseeing the training and equipping of Iraqi forces, and a new four-star American commander, Gen. George W. Casey Jr., on the ground, military officials are expressing guarded confidence that American troop levels in Iraq may actually begin to decline rather than increase, as they have steadily over the last year. General Abizaid is expected to wait until at least September to give his assessment on whether troop levels can be adjusted up or down.
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I have not intention of arguing with you. I have the feeling you are a muslim and after living among you for several years, I know you will go the way of the Dodo.
All you can do now is pray for a random mutation that will allow you to evolve fast enough to avoid extinction!
I wish you all the luck in the world!
Good bye.
#11
Read Matthew 8.5-13 and Luke 7.1-10. Does he tell the soldier not to be a soldier? No. Does he praise the soldier. Yes. The only reason for soldiers is war. No war, no soldiers. I could reasonably conclude your statement does not reflect the Jesus of record.
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Well if we are drawing down troops wonder were we send them next.ahhh yes Iran or is that Syria.
#17
You do know don't you that if Jesus has any living relatives (not direct descendants of course;descendants of cousins etc)they are Palestinians. Before you say he was a Jew yes he was by religion.
But not by nationality????;)
Is it written in the NT that every single one of Jesus's cousins became a follower? Could not some of his cousins descendants be (modern, non-Messianic) Jews? Hey, I COULD be a descendant of one of Jesus's cousins, no? Some yichus,as we say.
#18
AntiSemite, Jesus wouldn't advocate standing around while His people, the Jews, were being slaughtered by people who worship the Devil (which is basically what Islam is).
And today is my birthday and I'm not going to waste it arguing with a cretin like you!
Go on back over to WeAreMorons.com and leave us alone!
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hey now :(
what's so bad about living in a trailor park?
some good friends of mine live in one..
#20
id like to think that Jesus, if he was even close to what the NT says he was, wouldnt stand around while Jews (or anyone else) were slaughtered even if it was by people who DIDNT worship the devil - in fact even if it was by people who worshipped him!
#21
I do not believe a fore reduction in Iraq is a wise move. In fact, I think we should be working toward moving in more Marines and heavy armor. Most of these Marines should be position along Iraq's border with Iran and Syria. With the greatest number set along the Iranian border.
Force Recon should commence the probing missions within Iran.
#22
"Country Roads take them home To the Trailer Park Where they belong"
At last a left-'tard admits the real basis of its views: hinterland media-conformist perceptions of social status.
Scratch a peace hypocrite, you'll find a desperate bourgeois status-seeker underneath.
#24
Btw, Anti-War Bigot, I am a full professor, a published author, an elected official, and a millionaire. I also served as a Private in the US Army.
I've known a lot of yokel status-seeker flakes who dominated high school social life, then became hippies in response to the shock of the Big World when they got to college. In their fifties, they are truly pathetic figures, slaving away at professions they can barely handle or still living on trust funds as they seek to evade the realization that the irrelevance of their lives is wholly their own fault.
#30
NYT: The continued American presence is a sore spot for the new Iraqi government as it seeks to establish credibility with the Iraqi people.
I love it when the NYT makes declarative statements like this. This is why I graduated from reading this fish paper of a broadsheet from cover-to-cover to never reading it at all.
#33
Liberalhawk Judaism is a religion i.e someone may be an American Jew or a German Jew etc (fill in Nationality of your choice)Re yourself I don't know if you are of Middle Eastern descent if you are its possible you are related to Jesus. If on the other hand you are of European descent who's ancestors converted to Judaism then you are not.
Jews not a nationality - well not in the Western sense. But a distinct people - i think of time in turns of Jewish holidays, i use hebrew and Yiddish words, i love the Hebrew language, i identify with jewish history and jews elsewhere. I would continue to do so if I didnt beleive in G-d - in fact i do so with full strenght even when my beleif wavers as it does.
Its always good to have a non-Jew telling me what Judaism is and isnt though.
European descent - yup - but european Jews are at least in part of middle eastern origin. In Roman times exiles from Israel went to Spain and Italy, as well as North Africa. And some Jews who had gone from Israel to Mesopotamia moved west, ending up in Spain and North Africa. In Carolingian times Jews moved north along the trade routes, settling in Northern France and the Rhineland in Germany, and later spreading across Germany. It was from these Jews that the Jews of Poland descend.
NOT from the Khazars, if thats what youre thinking. Only the elite among the Khazars converted to Judaism, and there is little evidence that they made it to Poland. And, by the way, many of the Jews who lived in the Khazar kingdom were NOT converts, but were born Jews who moved there fleeing the Byzantine Empire. So they would of middle eastern descent as well.
So yes, I could be a descendant of Jesus's cousins.
#34
I do NOT think Jesus (the real one not you) would support war.
In Hoc Signo Crucis Vinces!
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in any case did Jesus live in Germany, or American? No, he lived in JUDEA. So he was a Judean Jew, no? But in Latin thats redundant - jew MEANS Judean. So he WOULD have been a Jew by NATIONALITY.
#38
oh good grief, now what year did the Romans rename Judea as Philistia, after the (by that point) long gone Philistines? After the usual date for the crucifixion, I think.
#39
It's been interesting watching the troll Antiwar's true colors come out these last few days. What a pathetic, fraud. The perfect poster child of the LLL.
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so much for the antiwar and bible quotes of the past....
this troll is really showing it's colours these days...we must be doing something right....
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Crackwhore for Islam, nothing to see here.... visit the Tourette's twit in the Sink Trap if you wanna see the entertainment
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LH -- I believe the Romans renamed it Philistia after the Bar Kochba revolt and the reduction of Masada ~125 C.E.(Common Era = A.D.), but quite definitely after the destruction of the 2nd Temple in 70 C.E.
#46
Jew is a person who follows Judaism as their religion it is a belief system not a nationality or a genetic inheritance
Youve got a circularity problem then, because one of the tenets of Judaism the RELIGION is that G-d revealed his will to the PEOPLE of Israel, who are bound by HIS commandments to THEM.
In Hebrew we speak of Am Israel - the people Israel. And Emunah Israel - the faith of Israel.
the people Israel = Jews. A Jew who fails to follow or believe in the faith of Israel does NOT cease to be a Jew - he simply becomes a sinning Jew. This has significant meaning in Jewish law.
The word "Judaism" does not occur in traditional Jewish texts. It is a 19th century invention, to make fit "Judaism" into the thought categories of Christianity - which seperate the idea of a religion from the idea of a people. Such a distinction is foreign to pre-19th century Judaism. And is fully embraced post 19th c only by Reform Judaism - Conservative and Modern O Judaism certainly embrace full loyalty to the democratic states we live in, but retain a notion of "am israel" as central to the Jewish faith.
#47
There were some Jews of Middle Eastern there before the Zionist State was established
actually the Jewish community of the land of Israel had a majority of eastern european jews as far back as 1780, due to an influx of hasidic jews from Poland. The vast majority of middle eastern Jews in Israel today are descended from post-1948 immigrants, largely from Iraq, Morocco, and Yemen.
Basically you dont know a damned thing about the Jews OR Israel. Its time you stopped posting and started LEARNING.
#51
Yasser Arafat's minister for Jewish Affairs. Can't remember his name....Abu Abbas?
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The only antizionist jews in Israel left are Neturei Karta, a tiny group (not even all Szatmar belong to Neturei Karta) They are fatalistic, superstitious, and viciously antimodern.
#53
and btw, not one neturei karta member would deny for a minute that the jews are an Am - a nation. And that the jews are destined to rule the land of Israel, under a Jewish King. They just think that the way to bring that about is by praying and following ritual laws, and waiting for G-d to act. The Zionists are sinners for believing that humans can and should affect history. I cant see how any modern person can think much of the Neturei Karta ideology.
#54
Antiwar - your posts aren't deleted because your's is a dissenting voice - it's simply because you are full of shit. You may realise that one day, but I wouldn't bank on it.
I was the one who told Antisemite about NK's leader being Arafat's kapo (I can tell, because I used the same phrasing "can't remember his name"). It is the one thing I ever told her that she listened to. She doesn't mention that Palestinians have killed NK people as well, not that such a thing would bother her.
She'll never respond to the other parts of your discussion, as they don't fit into her love for the Khazar thesis and the "theories" of Romy Brenner.
#64
"MY DISSENTING VOICE HAS BEEN DELETED BUT I WILL NEVER BE SILENCED"
Nah, it's just been moved to Sinktrap where it belongs, unlike the voices of Saddam's numerous victims.
From the sinktrap:
"SADDAM HUSSEIN IS THE LEGAL AND RIGHTFUL PRESIDENT OF IRAQ"
By all means, AntiWar, shout this from the rooftops, put it on a 50 foot weather-proof banner outside George Soros' office, get Ramses Al-Clark and Noam Chomsky to help you carry it at "peace" rallies, teach 400 PiB (Persons in Black) undergraduates to chant it outside the Student Unions at their respective cow colleges, get it tattooed next to the snake on your buttocks and send the pics to all those amateur nude sites (an ideal way to audition for Lumpy Riefenstahl, aka Mike Al-Moor, btw).
Have it imprinted on your custom Mennonite Crafts League burqa or you Quaker Textile Collective hajib. Stroll down Rodeo Drive in your overpriced grunge costume and shout it in the faces of passersby, being sure to credit your authority to the superior intellect and morality of ANSWER and the peace movement.
Folks, with enemies like this, we don't need allies.
Remember, this person IS an antisemite, whether she likes to be called it or not. Her day job is an attendant for the mentally handicapped. Antisemite is the kind of petty fuehrer who can be attracted to that job, where no one ever tells her she's wrong.
I would never dream of deleting this particular comment, for it really tells it all, does it not?
Private property, Antsemite, means that the site administrator can decide who posts, when, what, etc. Since you have a mortgage on land stolen from the aborigines, you ought to be better acquainted with the concept.
#66
I WILL NEVER BE SILENCED blah blah blah...whatever.
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I'm going now but I will return. I WILL NEVER BE SILENCED
Ooh, she does winds up well, doesn't she?!
One day you see a strange little girl look at you
One day you see a strange little girl feeling blue
Sheâd run to the town one day
Leaving home and her country fair
Just beware
When youâre there
Strange little girl
She didnât know how to live in a town that was rough
It didnât take long before she knew she'd had enough
Walking home in her wrapped up world
She survived but sheâs feeling old
'Cause she found
All things cold
Strange little girl
Where are you going?
Strange little girl
Where are you going?
Strange little girl
You really should
You really should be
Going
#68
Bullshit, she loves us! We're like heroin to the crazy bitch. She couldn't leave if she wanted to. She tries to get out and we.. pull... her... back... in!
But, by all means, Douchebag, please DO try, try, try, to resist.
#69
On the original topic, one question I'm interested in what type of basing arrangements we intend to conclude with the Iraqi government. I don't want our guys to be a fixed target, but one of the most appealing points of the war strategically was that it created to opportunity for the coalition to park a rapid response force in downtown Arabia. Two specific points I'm curious about are what if anything we're doing with those airfields in western Iraq that the Special Forces took, and what Bulldog's guys are doing to improve the port in the UK sector. I don't want us to have to ask Turkey or the Saudis for permission the next time out.
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#70
*laughs* Hey, antisemite! Its been a blast watching you get your *ss handed to you every day by the fine folks here who've actually STUDIED some history, who actually KNOW and UNDERSTAND world events!
Regardless of what the other posters are hoping for, I'm personally hoping that you DO continue to keep coming back--watching you and your bumbling lack of integrity getting MASHED by the other posters here makes my day! *laughs again*
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#75
It's hard not to feel a vague sense of shame-- doing battle with Antiwar is just a little bit too much like taunting some kid off the short bus. But she comes here begging for ridicule, and that's what she deserves and gets.
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Anti-war: Don no soldiers no war sounds good to me :-)
I'd expect to so respond, as you are blind to the postings about the genocide in Darfur. Scroll around the site. Read rather than post. They do not have soldiers to protect them. Nor did the citizens of Rwanda or Cambodia have soldiers to protect them. Slaves, surfs, and other forms of human property have existed since recorded history, because they had no one to fight successfully for them. And they so shall have remained had they or others not taken up soldiering to end it. You, however, are comfortable in your own divinity and self proclaimed superior morality no matter how bloody that makes you an accessory to the fact when while you may not personally be able to end it, take the effort to obstruct others from ending it. And that is what separates pathetic individuals like yourself from true and honorable pacifist. I don't see the Amish protesting or obstructing. I understand their true beliefs not clouded by political ideology. They will not participate in war nor will they contribute to war production, but neither will they interfere in nor engage in seditious behavior with political objectives to undermine the will of the people manifested in the elected body of the people. Unlike you, they are symbiotic, not parasitic.
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#78
LH> I'm currently 100 pages into a book called "God, Jews, & History" by Max Dimont. Was wondering if you've heard of it & if so, your thoughts on it? I've found it pretty interesting to say the least.
As the other resident Jew (free thinking version, currently in a Reform synagogue because my goyishe husband is happy there, where his singing of the Hebrew prayers is better than many of the 'natives'), I can respond to Dimont.
My mother sent it to me about 6 months ago. This means it has been vetted by Euro-intelligencia-academic types who survived WWII and are very proud American citizens. Mama'd previously given a copy to my brother's wife as a good general intro to the history of Judaism, and I agree. Actually, I would be very interested to hear your thoughts, as I think everyone here already knows my opinion on the subject ;-)
After you finish Dimont, in your copious free time, I mean, I think you would enjoy [Isaac] Asimov's Guide to the Bible: the Old and New Testaments and(in much smaller print)Paul Johnson's A History of the Jews and A History of Christianity. Asimov's book is a special order item at your favorite bookstore, as is -- probably -- Johnson's Jews, but his Christians is on the shelves of the big box bookstores in the religion section.
I think you now have enough to get you through the next couple of invasions.
#80
TW - as a Roman Catholic, who understands Jesus's destiny - welcome. We are the same people. Mel Gibson's "Passion" said the same when it was his hand (Catholic) pounding the spikes....
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Thanks TW, actually I wasn't aware of your religious background. I'm Catholic and only have the Old Testament as a reference but not the really historical digging that Dimont does. I've been keenly impressed w/how Dimont really postulates the beginnings of the Jewish faith. So far he poses a lot of questions that I find not only relevant to Jews, but to all people. I will write more as I get farther along.
#85
Bulldog I usually GET a lot of inflated responses
WHO LET THE DOG OUT.
Jen hope you have recovered from your hangover (from celebrating Dubya's bithday)Btw have found a GWB website http:/www.bushisamoron.org. It is ROFL I am on the forums.
You do know don't you that if Jesus has any living relatives (not direct descendants of course;descendants of cousins etc)they are Palestinians. Before you say he was a Jew yes he was by religion.
I do NOT think Jesus (the real one not you) would support war.
#88
Liberalhawk Judaism is a religion i.e someone may be an American Jew or a German Jew etc (fill in Nationality of your choice)Re yourself I don't know if you are of Middle Eastern descent if you are its possible you are related to Jesus. If on the other hand you are of European descent who's ancestors converted to Judaism then you are not.
Happy Birthday Jen. I will give you a birthday wish and post on Alternet. It's an excellent site. I will return. Don't get too drunk
AC what have you written? Btw lots of people join the army are Economic Conscripts.
Dcreeper nothing wrong per se it's just that lots of Soldiers etc (not all)seem to come from lower socio-economic conditions. Like Lyndie the Iraqi prisoner abusing bitch trollop England for example
Trailing wife I am a lady unfettered by false petit bourgeouis notions of gentility e,g I say "What" never "Pardon" I expect YOU put a doll with a frilly skirt on your loo roll.
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similarly for a "convert" to become a Jew - a Jew by Choice, as we now say - it is NOT enough to express a belief in some set of religious tenets called "Judaism" One must express ones identification with the Jewish PEOPLE, and a willingness to share their fate - notably to be bound by those divine commandments which specifically bind only Jews. A gentile who accepts the tenets of the Jewish faith, but who does NOT wish to be bound by those commandments, has the option of becoming a Noahide - one who follows the commandments given to the "Sons of Noah" (IE everybody) as described in Genesis.
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similarly for a "convert" to become a Jew - a Jew by Choice, as we now say - it is NOT enough to express a belief in some set of religious tenets called "Judaism" One must express ones identification with the Jewish PEOPLE, and a willingness to share their fate - notably to be bound by those divine commandments which specifically bind only Jews. A gentile who accepts the tenets of the Jewish faith, but who does NOT wish to be bound by those commandments, has the option of becoming a Noahide - one who follows the commandments given to the "Sons of Noah" (IE everybody) as described in Genesis.
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Liberlhawk
You are confusing Israeli Israelite and Jew
Israel has existed since 1948 it's citizens are mostly Jews from everywhere Poland Germany Hungary. There were some Jews of Middle Eastern there before the Zionist State was established. Genetically they are the same as the Palestinians except their ancestors did not convert to Christianity or (later) Islam
Israelites are the descendants of Abraham over the years they intermarried with Canaanites etc the present day Palestinians are their descendants
Jew is a person who follows Judaism as their religion it is a belief system not a nationality or a genetic inheritance
You have 2 choices re my posts;you can
1 Give a knee jerk response generating a reply from me and I will attack verbally (if necessary with full force no holding back.)
2.Accept I will never share your views and just put your own opinions in without personally attacking me.I will still put my views in but will not be inclined to attack you verbally e.g if you are polite I will be.
For example I say the Iraq should not be occupied (or invaded)you could say you disagree and why without name calling.
However a lot of you resort to name calling which makes me want to wind you up and I certainly succeed
3.You could just ignore my opinion and state your own
That way I may post a lot less as once I have said something I have expressed my view on the subject
For example one of you may say GWB is a hero(choke) AND I will say no he is not and why I think so.You can to respond the sensible way by saying you think he is politely.
Calling me slut Antisemite etc etc is a sure way to get your bum kicked verbally.
Or you can ignore my view and not respond to it.
#94
Liberalhawk you are right that there were Jews from Eastern Europe in the 19 century.Many of them are Non zionist Jews (Neturei Karta for example) who support the Palestinians one of them is Yasser Arafat's minister for Jewish Affairs. Can't remember his name.
#97
i said in Israel. There are others who are ideolically descended from the extreme wing of Reform Judaism. Of course you can be a Jew without being a Zionist. Just as you can be a Jew without believing in G-d. Anyone who is born of a Jewish mother, or who sincerely converts, is a Jew. A member of the Jewish people. And in SOME cases, as in eastern Europe when Jews spoke a different language from their gentile neighbors, and were not citizens (as in Tsarist Russia and Romania) and identified politically as Jews, they WERE Jews by nationality.
Somewhere in the attic Ive got my Grandfathers Austro-Hungarian/Galician passport. His citizenship was AH, but his NATIONALITY was stamped "jew".
And certainly in 1st century Judea, anyone who was "jewish" in any sense, and who was brought up in Galillee, would have considered himself a member of the Jewish People - and a Jew by nationality (certainly not a Roman or Greek). No reform Jews back then. So yes, Jesus must certainly have considered himself a Jew by nationality.
#98
i said in Israel. There are others who are ideolically descended from the extreme wing of Reform Judaism. Of course you can be a Jew without being a Zionist. Just as you can be a Jew without believing in G-d. Anyone who is born of a Jewish mother, or who sincerely converts, is a Jew. A member of the Jewish people. And in SOME cases, as in eastern Europe when Jews spoke a different language from their gentile neighbors, and were not citizens (as in Tsarist Russia and Romania) and identified politically as Jews, they WERE Jews by nationality.
Somewhere in the attic Ive got my Grandfathers Austro-Hungarian/Galician passport. His citizenship was AH, but his NATIONALITY was stamped "jew".
And certainly in 1st century Judea, anyone who was "jewish" in any sense, and who was brought up in Galillee, would have considered himself a member of the Jewish People - and a Jew by nationality (certainly not a Roman or Greek). No reform Jews back then. So yes, Jesus must certainly have considered himself a Jew by nationality.
#100
BMN for calling me Antisemite;FUCK YOU YOU STUPID TROLLOP MAY YOU FUCK MARINES THREE WAYS AND CATCH SYPHILLIS.MAY YOUR CUNT ROT.
Right what do you mean Private Property where?
I'm going now but I will return.
I WILL NEVER BE SILENCED
The strange disappearance of Marine Cpl. Wassef Ali Hassoun, reportedly kidnapped in Iraq nearly three weeks ago, grows even more mysterious. Senior Pentagon officials tell NBC News, a man claiming to be Hassoun, called his family in Lebanon and the U.S. embassy in Beirut, saying he was â "released by his kidnappers somewhere in Lebanon" and that he was "waiting to be picked up." But in Washington, Secretary of State Colin Powell said U.S. officials remain in the dark. "We have received reports that he may be in contact with various individuals and there are other reports that he might be in Lebanon. But we cannot confirm any of these at this time," said Powell.
Late Wednesday, FBI agents showed up at the Hassoun family home in West Jordan, Utah. And Pentagon officials tell NBC News that the Navy has now launched a criminal investigation into Hassoun's disappearance, and the possibility that his kidnapping may be part of an elaborate hoax. Hassoun disappeared from his Marine unit on June 20. He showed up a week later in a hostage-style video, with a sword held over his head and his alleged captors threatening to kill him. Terrorist experts say, however, the group said to have held Hassoun is unknown. "We don't know whether this group is simply an Internet address. ... We don't know if they were simply fabricated. We have no idea what's going on here," says terrorism expert Steve Emerson. A second group later claimed Hassoun was beheaded â then retracted that claim. Pending the investigation, military officials refuse to say Hassoun's kidnapping was a hoax, but they point out he had reportedly talked openly about leaving his Marine unit to join his family in Lebanon. Whether he was kidnapped and then released along the way remains a mystery.
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TRIPOLI, Lebanon - The U.S. Embassy has "credible information" that missing U.S. Marine Cpl. Wassef Ali Hassoun is safe in his native Lebanon, but hasn't been able to confirm it, a public affairs officer said Thursday.
"We're working on confirmation of that," Elizabeth Wharton told The Associated Press, speaking about information the Embassy had received about the fate of 24-year-old Hassoun, who went missing in Iraq (news - web sites) more than two weeks ago.
#4
Ball is in his court now,if he does not turn hisself over to the Embassy,and report for duty(Embassy Gaurds are Marines)then he is guilty of desertion in the face of the enemy.He is then subject to disaplinary action upto and includeing death.
#5
John Mohammed, the DC area sniper that murdered 13 in DC and more infidels in other parts of the US.
Hasan K. Akbar who killed two (including the brigade intelligence chief) and wounded 14 other 82nd Airborne soldiers in Kuwait.
Muslims service men, including a Muslim chaplain, in Guantanamo smuggling out classified information about the prisoners, with 1 or 2 who then went to Syria. Translations involving these Muslims are tainted.
Muslim US Army convert caught trying to give M1 Abrams tank vulnerabilities to AQ and trying to join the Jihad.
Wassef Ali Hassoun either defecting or deserting and making a Jihadi snuff video preview reel.
Multiple instances of Muslim immigrants, such as the Portland 7, who have either gone to Afganistan for Jihad against Americans or were training for Jihad in the US.
Muslim groups funding and acting as spokesmen for terrorist groups, including Al Qaeda, with Muslim charity donations with dollars earned in the US.
Numerous instances of imams on video preaching Jihad against Americans in US mosques.
Contrast this with Japanese Nissei and Issei who were all interned after Pearl Harbor, and who, to prove their faith and loyalty to America, volunteered to form and fight in the 442nd RCT, the most decorated US combat unit in WW2.
Muslims in the US are a clear and present threat to America and Americans.
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ed - there were also SOME Japanese immigrants who worked with Japanese intell. But as you say, the MAJORITY of Japanese immigrants were loyal to the US. SO the question is the MAJORITY of Muslims in the service.
As for this guy he sounds less like a traitor then a deserter. Sorry, but plenty of red blooded all Americans have deserted over the years, with no particular political motivation.
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LH,
Know of any deserters that have made a video threatening to behead themselves? Motivation? I think you already know what that is. And I have no faith he will return. Also, it was one item of 10 listed, and not the important data point.
Yes, the US intell services intercepted Japanese communications (via Mexican City embassy?) threatening sabotage. That is why all the Japanese immigrants and decendents were rounded up and placed in internment camps for the duration of the war. We have already seen acts of murder, encouragement of Jihad, denial of Muslim responsibility for attacks (such as 9/11), and financial support for our enemies, who are much more murderous than the Japanese ever were to us.
Why no comparable action on our part?
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07/08/2004 8:30 Comments ||
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erh, 1. cause in retrospect the internment of the Japanese is considered mistake, and not something we want to repeat.
2. Cause in WW2 we had no Japanese countries that were allies (unreliable or not) or neutrals. So there was no strategic cost to doing so. In the case of muslims, rounding up US muslims (beyond what we have already done) would be imcompatible with our strategy in this war.
Note again for those who arent aware of it - half of all US army and Marine combat brigades are currently deployed in Iraq or Afghanistan. Thats well over what the Army considers a sustainable ops tempo. Some National Guard units are having problems with recruitment and retention. If we DID NOT have friendly Iraqi or Afghan forces who would we replace them with? Who would pursue jihadis in Yemen, and even (albeit they do it halfheartedly) in Saudi and Pakistan. And WOULD we get cooperation if we rounded up every American muslim?? It would be the biggest gift we could give AQ.
4. I note that we never interned German Americans or Italian Americans, despite signs of disloyalty at least as great among German Americans as among Japanese Americans.
Small point of history. The Japanese intentions towards us were every bit as murderous as evidenced by their POW camps, the Bataan Death March, the Rape of Nanking etc. My grand-dad fought on Okinawa and he could testify to some horribly murderous things that the Japanese did to our soldiers.
You'll notice of course that except for the surprise slaughter at Pearl Harbor, the Japanese never got a chance to work out their murderous intentions on US soil but we have brave men like my Grand-dad to thank for that, not any difference between the Japenese of WWII and the Islamists of today.
If there is any difference today, it is that this new bloodthirsty bunch finds it much much easier to attack us on our soil and betray us from within.
#10
Aside from the (disgusting) cookies and punch celebration of the 911 attacks in the FBI offices, by FBI staff no less, there is even more to be concerned about:
"The language service squad is the front line in the FBI's war on terrorism, collecting all foreign language tips, information and terrorist threats to homeland security. Agents act on what the squad translates and reports. The sooner they get the information, the sooner they can thwart terrorist attacks."
So, basically, it's crickets chirping . . .
"Investigators had missed clues to both the 2001 and 1993 World Trade Center attacks because they were buried in a backlog of untranslated wiretaps and documents in Arabic."
Like I said: crickets chirping . . .
"Despite the backlog, Feghali told Edmonds and other translators to just let the work pile higher, according to Edmonds. Why? Money. She says Feghali, who has recruited family and friends to work with him at the high-paying language unit, argued that Congress would approve an even bigger budget for it if they could continue to show big backlogs."
"We were told to take long breaks, to slow down translations, and to simply say 'no' to those field agents calling us to beg for speedy translations so that they could go on with their investigations and interrogations of those they had detained," said Edmonds, who was fired without specified cause by the FBI after she reported breaches in security, mistranslations and potential espionage by Middle Eastern colleagues.
Looks like crickets are going to be chirping for some time . . .
It certainly is mind-boggling to realize that the fox is in the hen house. : ( !
peggy is right: " . . . this new bloodthirsty bunch finds it much much easier to attack us on our soil and betray us from within."
No wonder they missed the guys in Avon, Colorado etc., etc., etc., etc.
#11
Exactly right ex-lib. Daniel Pipes wrote a great piece about this..."Federal Bureau of Islamists".
Liberal hawk - We did INDEED round up Italian Americans during WWII and inter them in camps. Check your history facts again...
Now would be a very good time for all to educate themselves on islamic teaching regarding muslims, the military, fighting in the infidel army against non-muslims, etc.
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"They cut me head off!"
"Eh, you look alright to me"
"I got better"
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07/08/2004 11:33 Comments ||
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Peg, just a clarification. The Phillipines were still a US territory in 1941 and occupied by the Japanese by early 1942. When MacArthur 'return' the Japanese Imperial Forces committed another Nanking in Manila in February 1945 butchering probably more civilians than died at either of the atomic bombsites. These were not civilians caught in the crossfire, these were the very target of the Japanese military in Manila. Another piece of history buried by the 'hate America' crowd.
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07/08/2004 12:22 Comments ||
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" . . . this new bloodthirsty bunch finds it much much easier to attack us on our soil and betray us from within."
What's worse is that non-Islamists exist among the population who'd be happy to help.
#18
Internments of Italians? LOL!
I expect Jawa is talking about the detention and repatraitions of Italian Nationals.
A huge difference! And prior to embarkation they were kept esconced in a Manhattan or was it a Catskill hotel! LOL
jeeezz...
#19
http://www.cnn.com/US/9709/21/italian.relocation/ lists Italian and German deportation and internment camp resources. Not only Japanese on the West Coast, but all enemy aliens on the West Coast were subject to interment, including Germans and Italians.
Anonymous 5348 correctly cited just one of over 600 sources on msn search alone. Type in, "Internment of Italians during WWII". There are literally thousands of sources on this one. Canada had a similar, but much worse program. Shipman, you contradicted yourself.
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07/08/2004 19:35 Comments ||
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I expect it won't be the last time Jawa.
But, I'll read it again.
#23
Well, I'm still looking over the google list... but I'm haven't found a source yet for Native born Americans of Italian descent who were interned. Is there a good source?
Enlighten me.
Here's a start:http://www.frontpagemag.org/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=3570 Deals with the issue of Italian and German Americans.
Also, this site that deals with legislation on the issue: http://www.foitimes.com/internment/legislation.htm
I'm sure this is what you were looking for.
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LH,
American internment of Japanese was very appropriate. Japanese-American immigrant (but not their children) loyalty to mother Japan was much more prevalent than modern history books teach. What do you think would have been the effect of them attacking pipelines, oil refineries, locating targets (such as CA aircraft factories) for sub bombardment, or just reporting when large numbers of ships leave west coast ports for offensive action. What would have been the effect on the Battle of Midway if the Japanese had an accurate knowledge of the American order of battle?
We are in the very early stages of a civilization conflict. It will get much worse before it concludes. Before this ends, I believe we will lose several cities to nuclear attack. I donât consider the US is yet fighting a war. Instead our leaders are using our military as a Middle East social engineering project, while our enemies want to wipe us out. Though noble, I donât believe is will work. Instead we spend enormous resources hunting down individual terrorists and in defensive social costs (e.g. airline security) without getting to the root of the problem, while their societies keep producing more Jihadis. This is akin to the Soviets conducting an investigation an investigation, identifying culprits, and issuing arrest warrants after each time the SS destroyed a Ukrainian town and the inhabitants killed. By now the Germans would be drinking schnapps in Vladivostok.
I have to acknowledge Islam is not compatible with democracy, liberty and free will.
Amend the Constitution to outlaw Islam on US territory. Donât intern US Muslims. Deport those, who donât convert, to their home countries, and get on with the real war. Islam is not compatible with a free society and the only way it can co-exist with other societies is by ignoring the teachings of the Koran. But Islam will always breed extremists due to the simple fact that they more closely adhere to the teachings of the Koran than âmoderateâ Muslims. If, by some miracle, we are able to change the mideast, I donât believe it will last. The teachings of Islam will always pull the faithful to extremism, amplified by Arab social norms that allow many men no chance for breeding success unless they conquer. So my grandkids will have to deal with it all over again.
Peggy,
I am familiar with Japanese cruelty to occupied people. All the male members of my Asian grandmotherâs extended family were killed fighting the Japanese invasion or executed in the immediate onset of occupation. I have no desire to see the same thing happen to the US, just because a significant portion of the population is willfully ignorant of what our enemies have in store for us.
The Japanese also killed 15 million Chinese during the war in Mainland China. As bad as Japanese treatment of captured American soldiers in the Philippines was, treatment of the Filipino soldiers was even worse. Interned American civilians had it marginally better, but Filipino civilians sympathetic to Americans had no chance. But I agree with you about the torture and execution of American prisoners during the Pacific Island campaigns. Many of my American grandfatherâs extended family were career soldiers and marines, several of whom were wounded fighting in the Pacific. It was a fight to the death and none of them took any prisoners. What we in the west forget is that taking large numbers of prisoners is a very recent Western concept. War in most parts of the world is a death struggle of one tribe or nation over the other, and the US should never forget that.
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I agree with you completely Ed.
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The United States didn't have authorization from the U.N. nuclear watchdog when it secretly shipped from Iraq uranium and highly radioactive material that could be used in so-called "dirty bombs," U.N. officials said Wednesday. The nearly 2 tons of low-enriched uranium and approximately 1,000 highly radioactive items transferred from Iraq to the United States last month had been placed under seal by the International Atomic Energy Agency at the sprawling Tuwaitha nuclear complex, 12 miles south of Baghdad, the officials said. "The American authorities just informed us of their intention to remove the materials, but they never sought authorization from us," said Gustavo Zlauvinen, head of the IAEA's New York office.
Doesn't that imply you're not in charge? Think about it.
However, U.S. nuclear authorities said late Wednesday they had Iraqi approval and didn't need U.N. authorization to move the material. "We are in custody of the material only, and we have the permission of the Iraqi government to take this out of the country," said Paul Longsworth, deputy administrator for defense nuclear nonproliferation in the U.S. National Nuclear Security Administration.
"So piss off. Go trade some oil for food."
U.S. Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham disclosed the secret airlift from Iraq on Tuesday as "a major achievement" in an attempt to "keep potentially dangerous nuclear material out of the hands of terrorists." The material was taken to an undisclosed U.S. Energy Department laboratory for further analysis. The airlift ended on June 23, five days before the United States transferred sovereignty to Iraq's new interim government. IAEA Director General Mohamed ElBaradei said in a letter to the Security Council circulated Wednesday that Washington informed the agency on June 19, 2003, that "due to security concerns" it intended to transfer some nuclear material stored at Tuwaitha to the United States. At the time, the agency took note of the U.S. intention to remove the nuclear material "from agency verification ... and only expressed a view on the agency's verification requirements," he said. Longsworth said the U.S. authorities had "exceptionally good" relations with the IAEA and ElBaradei didn't raise any objections.
According to the letter, the United States informed the IAEA on June 30 that approximately 1.8 tons of uranium, enriched to a level of 2.6 percent, another 6.6 pounds of low-enriched uranium, and approximately 1,000 highly radioactive sources had been transferred on June 23. A U.N. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said there was some concern about the legality of the U.S. transfer because the nuclear material belonged to Iraq and was under the control and supervision of the IAEA. The U.S. Energy Department statement said "the U.S., consistent with its authorities and relevant United Nations resolutions, took possession of and removed the materials to ensure the safety and security of the Iraqi people." Longsworth said the material was now at a facility where it can be examined by the IAEA.
In 1992, after the first Gulf War, all highly enriched uranium - which could be used to make nuclear weapons - was shipped from Iraq to Russia, the IAEA's Zlauvinen said. After 1992, roughly 2 tons of natural uranium, or yellow cake, some low enriched uranium and some depleted uranium was left at Tuwaitha under IAEA seal and control, he said. So were radioactive items used for medical, agricultural and industrial purposes, which Iraq was allowed to keep under a 1991 U.N. Security Council resolution, Zlauvinen said. IAEA inspectors left Iraq just before last year's U.S.-led war. After it ended, Washington barred U.N. weapons inspectors from returning, deploying U.S. teams instead in a so far unsuccessful search for Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. An exception was made in June 2003 when Washington allowed an IAEA team to go to Tuwaitha to secure uranium after reports of widespread looting when the fighting ended. The IAEA recovered most missing material and Zlauvinen said the uranium was put in sealed containers and left for the Americans to guard.
But because U.S. authorities restricted inspections of Tuwaitha, the IAEA team was unable to determine whether hundreds of radioactive items used in research and medicine across the country were secure. ElBaradei's letter said that an unspecified amount of nuclear material still at Tuwaitha consists mainly of natural uranium, some depleted uranium and some low enriched uranium waste, which is subject to IAEA monitoring. Some radioisotopes are also still in the country and come under the agency's responsibilities, he said. Tuwaitha is now under the control of Iraq's Ministry of Science and Technology.
I'm certainly relieved that the stuff is out of Iraq.
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The United States didn't have authorization from the U.N. nuclear watchdog when it secretly shipped from Iraq uranium and highly radioactive material that could be used in so-called "dirty bombs," U.N. officials said Wednesday.
... egad! And we were to have left it from THEM?! *scoff*
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Hey, guys - you want out, you're out. All the way out, y'follow me?
#3
Um, the UN can take a flying leap into the outhouse. We don't /need/ their permission to do a damn thing. They however, need our permission to exist.
#6
The u.n. is as useless as tits on a boar hog. They try to act like they actually matter. Too bad the u.n. wasn't a target on 9/11. FUCK THE u.n., fuck 'em all....
GET THE u.n. THE HELL OUT OF MY COUNTRY!! Put 'em somewhere where they'll fit in.....like russia, or china....or hell, how about that bastion of liberty and prosperity, iran.
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I used to think SA, Pete. But Iran will do. Any place that strict islamic culture is practiced.
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Too bad the u.n. wasn't a target on 9/11.
You know, Pete, I've thought the same thing.
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07/08/2004 2:26 Comments ||
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The more I see and read about the UN, the more I think it is more than time to pull the funding plug and the "you can use our boys" plug. Oh, and by the way, we will be charging you for the use of our high-value real estate. 8 million a month sound good? If it don't we evict your ass baby!
#10
We did not issue authorization for U.N. crooks to make a fortune of Saddam's & the U.N'S 'oil for (terrorism, arms & profit)'
Neither did we give the OK for the U.N. to scam the world with their little anti-American Hans Blix doctoring reports and ignoring hard facts that he was well aware of, such as Saddam trucking his WMD into Syria just prior to the Iraqi ground war began.
The U.N. complex on the East Side should be converted into a hotel/convention center/resort for Americans, not every two-bit spy using the building as diplomatic cover.
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07/08/2004 3:15 Comments ||
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"never sought authorization"blow it out your ass,Gus.
"U.S. nuclear authorities said late Wednesday they had Iraqi approval and didn't need U.N. authorization to move the material",I reiterate,Gus,blow it out your ass.
#12
Do you suppose that means the UN inspectors will demand access to the US? Will the Security Council express strong disapproval? Will they--shudder! perish the thought!--impose sanctions?
Ooooh, I'm scared.
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Maybe the UN wanted some of it for its own nefarious purposes-you know how they are always going off about weak versus strong countries and the ever growing gap between them? Maybe this is their way of evening the odds? That's about where my opinion of the UN is today.
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Does the un even know how stupid they sounds? This is what happens when you put a bunch of 3rd-world socialists hillbillies in charge of a organization. Problem is that these adminstrators are appointed by people who should know better. please give me a candidate that will kick the whole bunch out of here and deny funding for any furture hate-America organization that spawns in it's place.
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07/08/2004 12:26 Comments ||
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Sarge them's not hillbillies they is Mountain Williams
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07/08/2004 13:23 Comments ||
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Michael, "does anyone actually care?" Watch the sunday morning news shows for the answer. Maybe your question would be better if posed 2 different ways: Does anyone at the NYT/ABC/BBC... care? OR: Does anyone with common sense care?
Chicago Michael
P.S. Let's see if UNSC issues an urgent resolution imploring US cooperation in this matter. Then let's act like Iran.
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This is part of the grand charade in which the IAEA pretends that it is an effective and relevant organization. I guess they're upset because we wouldn't enable the delusion.
Actually they're doing SUCH a good job with Iran and North Korea and Egypt and ....... that they thought that we would naturally want them to do the same in Iraq.
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I don't want the UN to leave the USA, I just want the USA to leave the UN. I want the USA to start pulling all US Troops out of country's that are under a UN action. I want the USA to work on it's own group of country's that would rather work with us than against us. Set the Building up right next to the current UN building and see how long it takes before the UN building becomes empty...or is it already empty.
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