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| U.S. Starts Drawing Plans to Cut Its Troops in Iraq |
| 2004-07-08 |
| WASHINGTON, July 7 - With an interim Iraqi government now in place, the Pentagon is beginning long-range planning on how to reduce the number of American troops in Iraq, senior military officials said Wednesday. Pentagon officials have previously said that about 135,000 troops would stay in Iraq through 2005. But the military's Joint Staff is working on detailed plans to reduce that number by 2006, on the assumption that Iraqi Army and other security forces will be ready to take on more responsibility by then, officials said. At a House Armed Services Committee hearing on Wednesday, the top operations officer for the Joint Staff, Lt. Gen. Norton A. Schwartz of the Air Force, signaled that this thinking was well under way. When asked about planning for the size of the American force that will move into Iraq for yearlong assignments beginning in late 2005 and early 2006, he declined to give troop figures but said, "There is a significant planning effort that will wrap up later this summer." A senior defense official said later that the Joint Staff was developing options for a smaller force in Iraq, proposals that would be consistent with the goal of Gen. John P. Abizaid, the top American commander in the Middle East, to reduce the American military presence in Iraq over time. Some officials said those options revolved around 100,000 troops, or fewer, but troop levels could increase if security in Iraq worsened. The continued American presence is a sore spot for the new Iraqi government as it seeks to establish credibility with the Iraqi people. And reducing it would lessen the strains placed on the United States Army by troop commitments in Iraq, Afghanistan and other countries. For the first time, General Schwartz outlined the Pentagon's strategy for how Iraqi national guard and army forces could gradually replace American troops around the country, starting in the relatively stable north where he said security patrols would soon be conducted exclusively by Iraqi forces. In parts of the country where the insurgency is still fierce, American forces will remain in strength and conduct patrols on their own or with Iraqi troops. "The bottom line is, is that this will be done incrementally and it will be done in locations around Iraq where transitions can occur and the Iraqi security forces can be successful," said General Schwartz, who said that as Iraqi forces proved they could secure a region, American forces there would move to more restive areas. "We will cascade American forces from those locations to places where they can be better utilized," General Schwartz said. "And ultimately, naturally, we'll reduce the force structure in Iraq." How long American forces stay in Iraq and in what numbers will be driven by security conditions on the ground and how quickly Iraqi security forces establish themselves, senior military officers here and in Iraq said. The United States Army, which is providing the bulk of the troops in Iraq, is preparing worst-case contingency plans to keep troop numbers at their current levels of 135,000 to 140,000 for the next several years, if necessary. "We've got plans to do that for as long as it takes because this will be event-driven, not time-driven," Gen. Richard B. Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said on "The Newshour With Jim Lehrer'' on PBS on July 1. General Schwartz said Wednesday that, based on the experience of training indigenous forces in Afghanistan, it would be "several years" before Iraq would develop a full complement of security forces. But with one of the Army's most highly regarded officers, Lt. Gen. David H. Petraeus, now overseeing the training and equipping of Iraqi forces, and a new four-star American commander, Gen. George W. Casey Jr., on the ground, military officials are expressing guarded confidence that American troop levels in Iraq may actually begin to decline rather than increase, as they have steadily over the last year. General Abizaid is expected to wait until at least September to give his assessment on whether troop levels can be adjusted up or down. |
| Posted by:Steve White |
| #100 BMN for calling me Antisemite;FUCK YOU YOU STUPID TROLLOP MAY YOU FUCK MARINES THREE WAYS AND CATCH SYPHILLIS.MAY YOUR CUNT ROT. Right what do you mean Private Property where? I'm going now but I will return. I WILL NEVER BE SILENCED |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-07-08 1:55:05 PM |
| #99 MY DISSENTING VOICE HAS BEEN DELETED BUT I WILL NEVER BE SILENCED. |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-07-08 1:48:10 PM |
| #98 i said in Israel. There are others who are ideolically descended from the extreme wing of Reform Judaism. Of course you can be a Jew without being a Zionist. Just as you can be a Jew without believing in G-d. Anyone who is born of a Jewish mother, or who sincerely converts, is a Jew. A member of the Jewish people. And in SOME cases, as in eastern Europe when Jews spoke a different language from their gentile neighbors, and were not citizens (as in Tsarist Russia and Romania) and identified politically as Jews, they WERE Jews by nationality. Somewhere in the attic Ive got my Grandfathers Austro-Hungarian/Galician passport. His citizenship was AH, but his NATIONALITY was stamped "jew". And certainly in 1st century Judea, anyone who was "jewish" in any sense, and who was brought up in Galillee, would have considered himself a member of the Jewish People - and a Jew by nationality (certainly not a Roman or Greek). No reform Jews back then. So yes, Jesus must certainly have considered himself a Jew by nationality. |
| Posted by: Liberalhawk 2004-07-08 1:51:41 PM |
| #97 i said in Israel. There are others who are ideolically descended from the extreme wing of Reform Judaism. Of course you can be a Jew without being a Zionist. Just as you can be a Jew without believing in G-d. Anyone who is born of a Jewish mother, or who sincerely converts, is a Jew. A member of the Jewish people. And in SOME cases, as in eastern Europe when Jews spoke a different language from their gentile neighbors, and were not citizens (as in Tsarist Russia and Romania) and identified politically as Jews, they WERE Jews by nationality. Somewhere in the attic Ive got my Grandfathers Austro-Hungarian/Galician passport. His citizenship was AH, but his NATIONALITY was stamped "jew". And certainly in 1st century Judea, anyone who was "jewish" in any sense, and who was brought up in Galillee, would have considered himself a member of the Jewish People - and a Jew by nationality (certainly not a Roman or Greek). No reform Jews back then. So yes, Jesus must certainly have considered himself a Jew by nationality. |
| Posted by: Liberalhawk 2004-07-08 1:51:41 PM |
| #96 BMN I knew about the minister for Jewish Affairs before you told me Liberlhawk other non zionist jews are Jewsnotzionists and Jewsagainstzionism. |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-07-08 1:40:31 PM |
| #95 Rabbi Moshe Hirsch is the Minister for Jewish Affairs |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-07-08 1:37:28 PM |
| #94 Liberalhawk you are right that there were Jews from Eastern Europe in the 19 century.Many of them are Non zionist Jews (Neturei Karta for example) who support the Palestinians one of them is Yasser Arafat's minister for Jewish Affairs. Can't remember his name. |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-07-08 1:22:37 PM |
| #93 My last post second part was meant for everyone paricularly those who have made their attacks of a slanderous nature (You know who you are) |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-07-08 1:06:10 PM |
| #92 Liberlhawk You are confusing Israeli Israelite and Jew Israel has existed since 1948 it's citizens are mostly Jews from everywhere Poland Germany Hungary. There were some Jews of Middle Eastern there before the Zionist State was established. Genetically they are the same as the Palestinians except their ancestors did not convert to Christianity or (later) Islam Israelites are the descendants of Abraham over the years they intermarried with Canaanites etc the present day Palestinians are their descendants Jew is a person who follows Judaism as their religion it is a belief system not a nationality or a genetic inheritance You have 2 choices re my posts;you can 1 Give a knee jerk response generating a reply from me and I will attack verbally (if necessary with full force no holding back.) 2.Accept I will never share your views and just put your own opinions in without personally attacking me.I will still put my views in but will not be inclined to attack you verbally e.g if you are polite I will be. For example I say the Iraq should not be occupied (or invaded)you could say you disagree and why without name calling. However a lot of you resort to name calling which makes me want to wind you up and I certainly succeed 3.You could just ignore my opinion and state your own That way I may post a lot less as once I have said something I have expressed my view on the subject For example one of you may say GWB is a hero(choke) AND I will say no he is not and why I think so.You can to respond the sensible way by saying you think he is politely. Calling me slut Antisemite etc etc is a sure way to get your bum kicked verbally. Or you can ignore my view and not respond to it. |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-07-08 1:03:18 PM |
| #91 Re US soldiers in Iraq; RUN FORREST RUN! HA HA HA HA HA. |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-07-08 11:49:12 AM |
| #90 similarly for a "convert" to become a Jew - a Jew by Choice, as we now say - it is NOT enough to express a belief in some set of religious tenets called "Judaism" One must express ones identification with the Jewish PEOPLE, and a willingness to share their fate - notably to be bound by those divine commandments which specifically bind only Jews. A gentile who accepts the tenets of the Jewish faith, but who does NOT wish to be bound by those commandments, has the option of becoming a Noahide - one who follows the commandments given to the "Sons of Noah" (IE everybody) as described in Genesis. |
| Posted by: Liberalhawk 2004-07-08 1:23:46 PM |
| #89 similarly for a "convert" to become a Jew - a Jew by Choice, as we now say - it is NOT enough to express a belief in some set of religious tenets called "Judaism" One must express ones identification with the Jewish PEOPLE, and a willingness to share their fate - notably to be bound by those divine commandments which specifically bind only Jews. A gentile who accepts the tenets of the Jewish faith, but who does NOT wish to be bound by those commandments, has the option of becoming a Noahide - one who follows the commandments given to the "Sons of Noah" (IE everybody) as described in Genesis. |
| Posted by: Liberalhawk 2004-07-08 1:23:46 PM |
| #88 Liberalhawk Judaism is a religion i.e someone may be an American Jew or a German Jew etc (fill in Nationality of your choice)Re yourself I don't know if you are of Middle Eastern descent if you are its possible you are related to Jesus. If on the other hand you are of European descent who's ancestors converted to Judaism then you are not. Happy Birthday Jen. I will give you a birthday wish and post on Alternet. It's an excellent site. I will return. Don't get too drunk AC what have you written? Btw lots of people join the army are Economic Conscripts. Dcreeper nothing wrong per se it's just that lots of Soldiers etc (not all)seem to come from lower socio-economic conditions. Like Lyndie the Iraqi prisoner abusing bitch trollop England for example Trailing wife I am a lady unfettered by false petit bourgeouis notions of gentility e,g I say "What" never "Pardon" I expect YOU put a doll with a frilly skirt on your loo roll. |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-07-08 9:25:27 AM |
| #87 Don no soldiers no war sounds good to me :-) |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-07-08 7:20:02 AM |
| #86 Jesus of Nazareth?? You do know don't you that if Jesus has any living relatives (not direct descendants of course;descendants of cousins etc)they are Palestinians. Before you say he was a Jew yes he was by religion. I do NOT think Jesus (the real one not you) would support war. |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-07-08 6:43:23 AM |
| #85 Bulldog I usually GET a lot of inflated responses WHO LET THE DOG OUT. Jen hope you have recovered from your hangover (from celebrating Dubya's bithday)Btw have found a GWB website http:/www.bushisamoron.org. It is ROFL I am on the forums. |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-07-08 6:31:57 AM |
| #84 Anon,Christian actually |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-07-08 5:52:58 AM |
| #83 Weak response |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-07-08 5:31:56 AM |
| #82 Country Roads take them home To the Trailer Park Where they belong R U READY 2 PARTY?! |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-07-08 5:06:50 AM |
| #81 Thanks TW, actually I wasn't aware of your religious background. I'm Catholic and only have the Old Testament as a reference but not the really historical digging that Dimont does. I've been keenly impressed w/how Dimont really postulates the beginnings of the Jewish faith. So far he poses a lot of questions that I find not only relevant to Jews, but to all people. I will write more as I get farther along. |
| Posted by: Jarhead 2004-07-09 5:10:02 PM |
| #80 TW - as a Roman Catholic, who understands Jesus's destiny - welcome. We are the same people. Mel Gibson's "Passion" said the same when it was his hand (Catholic) pounding the spikes.... |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-07-08 11:58:44 PM |
| #79 Jarhead, As the other resident Jew (free thinking version, currently in a Reform synagogue because my goyishe husband is happy there, where his singing of the Hebrew prayers is better than many of the 'natives'), I can respond to Dimont. My mother sent it to me about 6 months ago. This means it has been vetted by Euro-intelligencia-academic types who survived WWII and are very proud American citizens. Mama'd previously given a copy to my brother's wife as a good general intro to the history of Judaism, and I agree. Actually, I would be very interested to hear your thoughts, as I think everyone here already knows my opinion on the subject ;-) After you finish Dimont, in your copious free time, I mean, I think you would enjoy [Isaac] Asimov's Guide to the Bible: the Old and New Testaments and(in much smaller print)Paul Johnson's A History of the Jews and A History of Christianity. Asimov's book is a special order item at your favorite bookstore, as is -- probably -- Johnson's Jews, but his Christians is on the shelves of the big box bookstores in the religion section. I think you now have enough to get you through the next couple of invasions. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2004-07-08 11:32:45 PM |
| #78 LH> I'm currently 100 pages into a book called "God, Jews, & History" by Max Dimont. Was wondering if you've heard of it & if so, your thoughts on it? I've found it pretty interesting to say the least. |
| Posted by: Jarhead 2004-07-08 10:51:34 PM |
| #77 An odd little duck indeed. |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-07-08 7:42:58 PM |
| #76 Anti-war: Don no soldiers no war sounds good to me :-) I'd expect to so respond, as you are blind to the postings about the genocide in Darfur. Scroll around the site. Read rather than post. They do not have soldiers to protect them. Nor did the citizens of Rwanda or Cambodia have soldiers to protect them. Slaves, surfs, and other forms of human property have existed since recorded history, because they had no one to fight successfully for them. And they so shall have remained had they or others not taken up soldiering to end it. You, however, are comfortable in your own divinity and self proclaimed superior morality no matter how bloody that makes you an accessory to the fact when while you may not personally be able to end it, take the effort to obstruct others from ending it. And that is what separates pathetic individuals like yourself from true and honorable pacifist. I don't see the Amish protesting or obstructing. I understand their true beliefs not clouded by political ideology. They will not participate in war nor will they contribute to war production, but neither will they interfere in nor engage in seditious behavior with political objectives to undermine the will of the people manifested in the elected body of the people. Unlike you, they are symbiotic, not parasitic. |
| Posted by: Don 2004-07-08 6:43:56 PM |
| #75 It's hard not to feel a vague sense of shame-- doing battle with Antiwar is just a little bit too much like taunting some kid off the short bus. But she comes here begging for ridicule, and that's what she deserves and gets. |
| Posted by: Dave D. 2004-07-08 6:13:57 PM |
| #74 Mucky, Ima thinkin she creams her burqa 4 U |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-07-08 5:51:59 PM |
| #73 Wow, LH-lots of good info on this page. Thanks! |
| Posted by: jules 187 2004-07-08 5:33:19 PM |
| #72 Not tomorrow mucki she are have electro shock theatre |
| Posted by: Half 2004-07-08 4:11:28 PM |
| #71 bye antiwar! we are see you tomorow! :) |
| Posted by: muck4doo 2004-07-08 3:25:00 PM |
| #70 *laughs* Hey, antisemite! Its been a blast watching you get your *ss handed to you every day by the fine folks here who've actually STUDIED some history, who actually KNOW and UNDERSTAND world events! Regardless of what the other posters are hoping for, I'm personally hoping that you DO continue to keep coming back--watching you and your bumbling lack of integrity getting MASHED by the other posters here makes my day! *laughs again* |
| Posted by: Crusader 2004-07-08 2:42:27 PM |
| #69 On the original topic, one question I'm interested in what type of basing arrangements we intend to conclude with the Iraqi government. I don't want our guys to be a fixed target, but one of the most appealing points of the war strategically was that it created to opportunity for the coalition to park a rapid response force in downtown Arabia. Two specific points I'm curious about are what if anything we're doing with those airfields in western Iraq that the Special Forces took, and what Bulldog's guys are doing to improve the port in the UK sector. I don't want us to have to ask Turkey or the Saudis for permission the next time out. |
| Posted by: Matt 2004-07-08 2:33:10 PM |
| #68 Bullshit, she loves us! We're like heroin to the crazy bitch. She couldn't leave if she wanted to. She tries to get out and we.. pull... her... back... in! But, by all means, Douchebag, please DO try, try, try, to resist. |
| Posted by: tu3031 2004-07-08 2:28:54 PM |
| #67 I'm going now but I will return. I WILL NEVER BE SILENCED Ooh, she does winds up well, doesn't she?! One day you see a strange little girl look at you One day you see a strange little girl feeling blue She’d run to the town one day Leaving home and her country fair Just beware When you’re there Strange little girl She didn’t know how to live in a town that was rough It didn’t take long before she knew she'd had enough Walking home in her wrapped up world She survived but she’s feeling old 'Cause she found All things cold Strange little girl Where are you going? Strange little girl Where are you going? Strange little girl You really should You really should be Going (Stranglers) |
| Posted by: Bulldog 2004-07-08 2:19:05 PM |
| #66 I WILL NEVER BE SILENCED blah blah blah...whatever. |
| Posted by: Rex Mundi 2004-07-08 2:08:16 PM |
| #65 Wow, Antisemite, so touchy. Too bad that I'm male. Remember, this person IS an antisemite, whether she likes to be called it or not. Her day job is an attendant for the mentally handicapped. Antisemite is the kind of petty fuehrer who can be attracted to that job, where no one ever tells her she's wrong. I would never dream of deleting this particular comment, for it really tells it all, does it not? Private property, Antsemite, means that the site administrator can decide who posts, when, what, etc. Since you have a mortgage on land stolen from the aborigines, you ought to be better acquainted with the concept. |
| Posted by: BMN 2004-07-08 2:03:09 PM |
| #64 "MY DISSENTING VOICE HAS BEEN DELETED BUT I WILL NEVER BE SILENCED" Nah, it's just been moved to Sinktrap where it belongs, unlike the voices of Saddam's numerous victims. From the sinktrap: "SADDAM HUSSEIN IS THE LEGAL AND RIGHTFUL PRESIDENT OF IRAQ" By all means, AntiWar, shout this from the rooftops, put it on a 50 foot weather-proof banner outside George Soros' office, get Ramses Al-Clark and Noam Chomsky to help you carry it at "peace" rallies, teach 400 PiB (Persons in Black) undergraduates to chant it outside the Student Unions at their respective cow colleges, get it tattooed next to the snake on your buttocks and send the pics to all those amateur nude sites (an ideal way to audition for Lumpy Riefenstahl, aka Mike Al-Moor, btw). Have it imprinted on your custom Mennonite Crafts League burqa or you Quaker Textile Collective hajib. Stroll down Rodeo Drive in your overpriced grunge costume and shout it in the faces of passersby, being sure to credit your authority to the superior intellect and morality of ANSWER and the peace movement. Folks, with enemies like this, we don't need allies. |
| Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy 2004-07-08 2:02:39 PM |
| #63 AW - Do you think you could read a good intro book on Judaism before you come back?? Theres plenty available, you know. |
| Posted by: Liberalhawk 2004-07-08 1:58:53 PM |
| #62 Buh-bye. |
| Posted by: tu3031 2004-07-08 1:56:38 PM |
| #61 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-07-08 1:55:05 PM |
| #60 Antisemite-- Have you ever heard of private property? |
| Posted by: BMN 2004-07-08 1:49:11 PM |
| #59 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-07-08 1:48:10 PM |
| #58 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-07-08 1:40:31 PM |
| #57 Apparently Antisemite has learned to use Google. It took her a very long time, though, and she still doesn't know who Marr was. |
| Posted by: BMN 2004-07-08 1:39:00 PM |
| #56 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-07-08 1:37:28 PM |
| #55 LH-- I was the one who told Antisemite about NK's leader being Arafat's kapo (I can tell, because I used the same phrasing "can't remember his name"). It is the one thing I ever told her that she listened to. She doesn't mention that Palestinians have killed NK people as well, not that such a thing would bother her. She'll never respond to the other parts of your discussion, as they don't fit into her love for the Khazar thesis and the "theories" of Romy Brenner. |
| Posted by: BMN 2004-07-08 1:35:12 PM |
| #54 Antiwar - your posts aren't deleted because your's is a dissenting voice - it's simply because you are full of shit. You may realise that one day, but I wouldn't bank on it. |
| Posted by: Bulldog 2004-07-08 1:33:04 PM |
| #53 and btw, not one neturei karta member would deny for a minute that the jews are an Am - a nation. And that the jews are destined to rule the land of Israel, under a Jewish King. They just think that the way to bring that about is by praying and following ritual laws, and waiting for G-d to act. The Zionists are sinners for believing that humans can and should affect history. I cant see how any modern person can think much of the Neturei Karta ideology. |
| Posted by: Liberalhawk 2004-07-08 1:29:40 PM |
| #52 The only antizionist jews in Israel left are Neturei Karta, a tiny group (not even all Szatmar belong to Neturei Karta) They are fatalistic, superstitious, and viciously antimodern. |
| Posted by: Liberalhawk 2004-07-08 1:27:18 PM |
| #51 Yasser Arafat's minister for Jewish Affairs. Can't remember his name....Abu Abbas? |
| Posted by: Rex Mundi 2004-07-08 1:26:43 PM |
| #50 Antiwar is a living (I assume) that there is no vaccine against stupidity. |
| Posted by: anymouse 2004-07-08 1:25:44 PM |
| #49 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-07-08 1:22:37 PM |
| #48 ..."and that's your Rantburg Bitch Slap Moment of the Day!" Good show LH. |
| Posted by: Rex Mundi 2004-07-08 1:20:18 PM |
| #47 There were some Jews of Middle Eastern there before the Zionist State was established actually the Jewish community of the land of Israel had a majority of eastern european jews as far back as 1780, due to an influx of hasidic jews from Poland. The vast majority of middle eastern Jews in Israel today are descended from post-1948 immigrants, largely from Iraq, Morocco, and Yemen. Basically you dont know a damned thing about the Jews OR Israel. Its time you stopped posting and started LEARNING. |
| Posted by: Liberalhawk 2004-07-08 1:14:55 PM |
| #46 Jew is a person who follows Judaism as their religion it is a belief system not a nationality or a genetic inheritance Youve got a circularity problem then, because one of the tenets of Judaism the RELIGION is that G-d revealed his will to the PEOPLE of Israel, who are bound by HIS commandments to THEM. In Hebrew we speak of Am Israel - the people Israel. And Emunah Israel - the faith of Israel. the people Israel = Jews. A Jew who fails to follow or believe in the faith of Israel does NOT cease to be a Jew - he simply becomes a sinning Jew. This has significant meaning in Jewish law. The word "Judaism" does not occur in traditional Jewish texts. It is a 19th century invention, to make fit "Judaism" into the thought categories of Christianity - which seperate the idea of a religion from the idea of a people. Such a distinction is foreign to pre-19th century Judaism. And is fully embraced post 19th c only by Reform Judaism - Conservative and Modern O Judaism certainly embrace full loyalty to the democratic states we live in, but retain a notion of "am israel" as central to the Jewish faith. |
| Posted by: Liberalhawk 2004-07-08 1:12:18 PM |
| #45 You mean "libelous", I think. Slander is spoken, libel is printed (hence the "lib")... Sue and be damned. |
| Posted by: mojo 2004-07-08 1:09:02 PM |
| #44 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-07-08 1:06:10 PM |
| #43 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-07-08 1:03:18 PM |
| #42 LH -- I believe the Romans renamed it Philistia after the Bar Kochba revolt and the reduction of Masada ~125 C.E.(Common Era = A.D.), but quite definitely after the destruction of the 2nd Temple in 70 C.E. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2004-07-08 12:50:27 PM |
| #41 Crackwhore for Islam, nothing to see here.... visit the Tourette's twit in the Sink Trap if you wanna see the entertainment |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-07-08 12:45:18 PM |
| #40 so much for the antiwar and bible quotes of the past.... this troll is really showing it's colours these days...we must be doing something right.... |
| Posted by: Dan 2004-07-08 12:26:32 PM |
| #39 It's been interesting watching the troll Antiwar's true colors come out these last few days. What a pathetic, fraud. The perfect poster child of the LLL. |
| Posted by: Rex Mundi 2004-07-08 12:24:16 PM |
| #38 oh good grief, now what year did the Romans rename Judea as Philistia, after the (by that point) long gone Philistines? After the usual date for the crucifixion, I think. |
| Posted by: Liberalhawk 2004-07-08 12:09:05 PM |
| #37 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-07-08 11:49:12 AM |
| #36 LOL LH! You mean Heyzeus didn't live in Palestine? |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-07-08 11:47:04 AM |
| #35 in any case did Jesus live in Germany, or American? No, he lived in JUDEA. So he was a Judean Jew, no? But in Latin thats redundant - jew MEANS Judean. So he WOULD have been a Jew by NATIONALITY. |
| Posted by: Liberalhawk 2004-07-08 11:04:06 AM |
| #34 I do NOT think Jesus (the real one not you) would support war. In Hoc Signo Crucis Vinces! |
| Posted by: Rafael 2004-07-08 11:03:50 AM |
| #33 Liberalhawk Judaism is a religion i.e someone may be an American Jew or a German Jew etc (fill in Nationality of your choice)Re yourself I don't know if you are of Middle Eastern descent if you are its possible you are related to Jesus. If on the other hand you are of European descent who's ancestors converted to Judaism then you are not. Jews not a nationality - well not in the Western sense. But a distinct people - i think of time in turns of Jewish holidays, i use hebrew and Yiddish words, i love the Hebrew language, i identify with jewish history and jews elsewhere. I would continue to do so if I didnt beleive in G-d - in fact i do so with full strenght even when my beleif wavers as it does. Its always good to have a non-Jew telling me what Judaism is and isnt though. European descent - yup - but european Jews are at least in part of middle eastern origin. In Roman times exiles from Israel went to Spain and Italy, as well as North Africa. And some Jews who had gone from Israel to Mesopotamia moved west, ending up in Spain and North Africa. In Carolingian times Jews moved north along the trade routes, settling in Northern France and the Rhineland in Germany, and later spreading across Germany. It was from these Jews that the Jews of Poland descend. NOT from the Khazars, if thats what youre thinking. Only the elite among the Khazars converted to Judaism, and there is little evidence that they made it to Poland. And, by the way, many of the Jews who lived in the Khazar kingdom were NOT converts, but were born Jews who moved there fleeing the Byzantine Empire. So they would of middle eastern descent as well. So yes, I could be a descendant of Jesus's cousins. |
| Posted by: Liberalhawk 2004-07-08 11:02:29 AM |
| #32 "I am a lady unfettered by false petit bourgeouis notions of gentility"translation:I am a foul mouthed,dumb-ass bigotted Slut. NYT: The continued American presence is a sore spot for the new Iraqi government as it seeks to establish credibility with the Iraqi people. Didn't we just read that the Irqi gov wouldn't mind if U.S. forces struck at countrys thatsupport,abet and facilitate foerign fighters. |
| Posted by: Raptor 2004-07-08 10:45:40 AM |
| #31 Perhaps we should move our forces in Iraq to Afghanistan and our forces in Afghanistan to Iraq.... overland. I head Tehran is nice this time of year..... |
| Posted by: CrazyFool 2004-07-08 10:00:59 AM |
| #30 NYT: The continued American presence is a sore spot for the new Iraqi government as it seeks to establish credibility with the Iraqi people. I love it when the NYT makes declarative statements like this. This is why I graduated from reading this fish paper of a broadsheet from cover-to-cover to never reading it at all. |
| Posted by: Zhang Fei 2004-07-08 9:39:06 AM |
| #29 Mr. Holland's Opus is a greatly underated movie. |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-07-08 9:34:11 AM |
| #28 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-07-08 9:25:27 AM |
| #27 Re #22: Amen. |
| Posted by: ed 2004-07-08 9:08:02 AM |
| #26 Can we please stay on topic. This is an important issue. |
| Posted by: Dragon Fly 2004-07-08 9:07:07 AM |
| #25 DF -- I suspect you may be right about the mix of the ~100,000 troops that remain. AC -- well, she did once claim to be a lady. But it turns out, like in so many things, she isn't interested in, or capable of, doing the work. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2004-07-08 9:03:07 AM |
| #24 Btw, Anti-War Bigot, I am a full professor, a published author, an elected official, and a millionaire. I also served as a Private in the US Army. I've known a lot of yokel status-seeker flakes who dominated high school social life, then became hippies in response to the shock of the Big World when they got to college. In their fifties, they are truly pathetic figures, slaving away at professions they can barely handle or still living on trust funds as they seek to evade the realization that the irrelevance of their lives is wholly their own fault. |
| Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy 2004-07-08 9:02:39 AM |
| #23 Aunty needs flash, A/C. This is her kind 'o guy. |
| Posted by: .com 2004-07-08 9:01:16 AM |
| #22 "Country Roads take them home To the Trailer Park Where they belong" At last a left-'tard admits the real basis of its views: hinterland media-conformist perceptions of social status. Scratch a peace hypocrite, you'll find a desperate bourgeois status-seeker underneath. |
| Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy 2004-07-08 8:52:23 AM |
| #21 I do not believe a fore reduction in Iraq is a wise move. In fact, I think we should be working toward moving in more Marines and heavy armor. Most of these Marines should be position along Iraq's border with Iran and Syria. With the greatest number set along the Iranian border. Force Recon should commence the probing missions within Iran. |
| Posted by: Dragon Fly 2004-07-08 8:34:33 AM |
| #20 id like to think that Jesus, if he was even close to what the NT says he was, wouldnt stand around while Jews (or anyone else) were slaughtered even if it was by people who DIDNT worship the devil - in fact even if it was by people who worshipped him! |
| Posted by: Liberalhawk 2004-07-08 8:11:31 AM |
| #19 hey now :( what's so bad about living in a trailor park? some good friends of mine live in one.. |
| Posted by: Dcreeper 2004-07-08 8:10:26 AM |
| #18 AntiSemite, Jesus wouldn't advocate standing around while His people, the Jews, were being slaughtered by people who worship the Devil (which is basically what Islam is). And today is my birthday and I'm not going to waste it arguing with a cretin like you! Go on back over to WeAreMorons.com and leave us alone! |
| Posted by: Jen 2004-07-08 8:07:49 AM |
| #17 You do know don't you that if Jesus has any living relatives (not direct descendants of course;descendants of cousins etc)they are Palestinians. Before you say he was a Jew yes he was by religion. But not by nationality????;) Is it written in the NT that every single one of Jesus's cousins became a follower? Could not some of his cousins descendants be (modern, non-Messianic) Jews? Hey, I COULD be a descendant of one of Jesus's cousins, no? Some yichus,as we say. |
| Posted by: Liberalhawk 2004-07-08 8:05:17 AM |
| #16 Don no soldiers no war sounds good to me :-) Ahh, a Kumbaya imbecile! With all the usual stunning and thought provoking arguments. |
| Posted by: JerseyMike 2004-07-08 7:48:27 AM |
| #15 No Soldiers, no disease sounds good too. If you're sufficiently goddamn stupid. |
| Posted by: Bulldog 2004-07-08 7:33:03 AM |
| #14 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-07-08 7:20:02 AM |
| #13 Anyone here familiar with Mr. Holland's Opus? |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-07-08 7:12:30 AM |
| #12 Well if we are drawing down troops wonder were we send them next.ahhh yes Iran or is that Syria. |
| Posted by: djohn66 2004-07-08 7:11:18 AM |
| #11 Read Matthew 8.5-13 and Luke 7.1-10. Does he tell the soldier not to be a soldier? No. Does he praise the soldier. Yes. The only reason for soldiers is war. No war, no soldiers. I could reasonably conclude your statement does not reflect the Jesus of record. |
| Posted by: Don 2004-07-08 7:08:49 AM |
| #10 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-07-08 6:43:23 AM |
| #9 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-07-08 6:31:57 AM |
| #8 "Anon,Christian actually" I didn't suffer on that damn cross just so ignorant bigots like you could cloak your hatefulness and stupidity in a mantle of phony virtue. Shut up and get a clue. |
| Posted by: Jesus of Nazareth 2004-07-08 6:27:14 AM |
| #7 AntiJews, you're really one to talk about ''trailer parks!" Snort! |
| Posted by: Jen 2004-07-08 6:01:24 AM |
| #6 Weak response Lame troll expects inflated response. Typical. |
| Posted by: Bulldog 2004-07-08 5:56:06 AM |
| #5 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-07-08 5:52:58 AM |
| #4 Antiwar, I have not intention of arguing with you. I have the feeling you are a muslim and after living among you for several years, I know you will go the way of the Dodo. All you can do now is pray for a random mutation that will allow you to evolve fast enough to avoid extinction! I wish you all the luck in the world! Good bye. |
| Posted by: Anonymous4724 2004-07-08 5:46:44 AM |
| #3 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-07-08 5:31:56 AM |
| #2 Antiwar, Natural Selection will take care of you. Darwin Akbar! |
| Posted by: Anonymous4724 2004-07-08 5:22:40 AM |
| #1 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-07-08 5:06:50 AM |
