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Afghanistan
Run on Kabul Bank Prompts Call for US Bailout
Look's like the Caped Crusader's bro is gonna take a whack in the wallet...
Mahmoud Karzai, the brother of the Afghan president and a major shareholder in beleaguered Kabul Bank called on Thursday for intervention by the United States to head off a financial meltdown. "America should do something," said Karzai in a telephone interview, suggesting that the U.S. Treasury Department guarantee the funds of Kabul Bank's clients, who number about a million and have more than a billion dollars on deposits with the bank.

"If the Treasury Department will guarantee that everyone will get their money, maybe that will work,"
Sure, why not, we guarantee everything else ...
said Karzai, who holds 7 percent of the bank's shares, making him the third-biggest shareholder. Karzai, who spends most of his time in Dubai - where he lives in a waterfront villa paid for by Kabul Bank - rushed to Kabul on Wednesday to join efforts to salvage the bank.
Boy, I'll bet that had to suck...
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 09/02/2010 12:39 || Comments || Link || [10 views] Top|| File under:

#1  In other words, "Send Mo' Money!"
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 09/02/2010 12:52 Comments || Top||

#2  Federal International Deposit Insurance Corporation
Posted by: Frank G || 09/02/2010 20:29 Comments || Top||

#3  Let's send a big American F&CK YOU to Karzai and his minions with a seal team and a 7.62. No bail out, new leadership. Defect to Saudi Arabia big boy before we find it necessary to replace your sorry (corrupt) a$$.
Posted by: rammer || 09/02/2010 23:56 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
Seoul's Top Nuclear Negotiator to Visit U.S.
South Korea's chief nuclear negotiator Wi Sung-lac departs for a three-day visit to the U.S. on Thursday.

The Foreign Ministry says the envoy will discuss issues related to the Korean Peninsula with his U.S. counterparts Deputy Secretary of State James Steinberg, Special Representative for North Korea Policy Stephen Bosworth, and Special Envoy for the Six-Party Talks Sung Kim.

As for the stalled six-way talks on North Korea's nuclear program, Wi is to once again convey Seoul's stance that it won't return to the meetings unless Pyongyang displays a change in its behavior with regard to the denuclearization process and its sinking of the South Korean Naval corvette Cheonan.
Posted by: Steve White || 09/02/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:


Europe
Dutch kick Yemeni flight suspects loose
Move it along...
Two Yemenis arrested in Amsterdam on suspicion of planning a terror attack have been released, prosecutors in the Netherlands have said. An investigation failed to find any evidence against the two men, the Dutch national prosecutor's office said.
An investigation might have done, but once the Americans said they were innocent, the Dutch were stuck.
They were arrested on Monday upon arriving at Amsterdam airport on a flight from the US after a request from US authorities.

US officials later said they did not believe they were planning an attack."Two men from Yemen in custody since Monday on suspicion of possible involvement in the planning of a terrorist act, were freed this evening," the Dutch prosecutor's office said in a statement. "From investigations in the United States and in the Netherlands there has been no indication of the men's possible involvement in any criminal act," the statement continued.
...nuthin to see here.
One of the men had earlier been stopped by airport officials on a connecting flight from Birmingham, Alabama. He was found to be carrying $7,000 (£4,500) in cash and when his luggage was searched, officials found a mobile phone strapped to a medicine bottle, as well as knives and watches. The luggage was cleared for the flight after it was not judged to be a threat but there was speculation that the chain of events could have been a dry-run for a terror attack, testing the US flight security operations.
Which of course is not illegal. Just an act of spying. According to the Geneva conventions, which so many people are so fond of talking about, spies can be shot. I really do hope the various agencies are tracing the connections of the these particular spies.
Customs authorities said it was not uncommon for people travelling to the countries like Yemen to be carrying large amounts of cash and that valuable items are often found bundled together.
Yeah, I'm sure a bottle of Pepto is worth it's weight in gold in Yemen...
Posted by: tu3031 || 09/02/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  D *** NG IT, THE DUTCHIES CAN'T DO THAT, DATS LIBYA'S = LIBYUH'S JOB!
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 09/02/2010 2:49 Comments || Top||

#2  I suppose we all knew their release was eminent. If anyone sees the US State Department apology letter, please post it.
Posted by: Besoeker || 09/02/2010 2:53 Comments || Top||

#3  Any chance we might be smart enough to be trailing them?
Posted by: hairofthedawg || 09/02/2010 3:07 Comments || Top||

#4  Oh yeah Joe, left hand side...
Posted by: hairofthedawg || 09/02/2010 3:08 Comments || Top||

#5  Kicked them loose? At 30,000 feet I hope.
Posted by: JohnQC || 09/02/2010 10:12 Comments || Top||

#6  Over/under on when a plane will be brought down by a liquid explosive bomb with a cell-phone detonator?
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 09/02/2010 12:50 Comments || Top||


Great White North
Abdelrazik gets OK to sue Canada
Abousfian Abdelrazik, a Montreal man who was stranded in Sudan for six years, has been given the green light to sue the federal government and Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon.

In a written ruling released on Monday, the Federal Court gave Abdelrazik the right to proceed with the lawsuit, which is seeking $27 million in damages.

The 48-year old Sudanese-born man, a Canadian citizen since 1995, alleges his right to freedom and security was violated.

Abdelrazik was arrested in Sudan in the spring of 2003, a few months after he had arrived to visit his ailing mother. He was never charged, but claims that he was tortured during two stints in custody — one lasting 11 months and the other, nine months.

Adding to his problems in jail, his passport expired and he learned he was on the United Nations no-fly list due to allegations he had ties to terrorism.

Because he was unable to travel, Abdelrazik was forced to live at the Canadian Embassy in Khartoum.

Abdelrazik was only able to return to Canada in June 2009 after a judge ordered the federal government to issue travel documents and ensure Abdelrazik his return home within 30 days.

The federal government had sought to block the lawsuit, said Abdelrazik's lawyer, Paul Champ.

"The government was arguing that individuals could not sue for torture and they were also arguing that there was no legal duty on the Government of Canada to protect Canadians detained abroad," said Champ.

Posted by: tipper || 09/02/2010 05:44 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Forced to live at the Canadian embassy?" Those are most likely pretty good digs.
Posted by: JohnQC || 09/02/2010 10:02 Comments || Top||

#2  On the U.S. no-fly list? He could have rowed a dingy or swam back to Canada.
Posted by: JohnQC || 09/02/2010 10:03 Comments || Top||

#3  After twenty more years in the various levels of courts this will be kicked upstairs to the Supreme Court of Canada where it will be argued for another few years followed by a few more years of deliberations by which time all the actors will be dead of boredom if nothing else.

My best guess is that this now 48 year old Sudanese born man will eventually spend many years in the Federal Prison system with so many of his Sudanese born friends. That seems to be the thing that Sudanese born Canadians do best . . . . but perhaps that's just me being prejudicial again.
Posted by: Canuckistan sniper || 09/02/2010 12:40 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
US Dept of State designates the Taliban of Pakstan as Terrorist Org
The Secretary of State has designated Tehrik-e Taliban Pakistan (TTP) as a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) under Section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA).
Tehrik-e Taliban translates approximately to "Movement of the Students"
The Secretary also designated TTP as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist under E.O. 13224.
however, we have not designated the Taliban in Afghanistan as terrorists
Posted by: lord garth || 09/02/2010 10:30 || Comments || Link || [10 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is not going to win us any Pakistani Taliban hearts and minds! Hopefully Afghani Taliban will be more understanding.
Posted by: gorb || 09/02/2010 11:38 Comments || Top||

#2  It boggles my mind that until now these guys have not been considered "terrorists".
I think we need a complete overhaul of the terrorist designation system.
Posted by: Mike Hunt || 09/02/2010 18:58 Comments || Top||


US charges Pakistani Taliban chief over CIA killings
The United States slapped Pakistani Taliban chief, Hakimullah Mehsud, with terrorism charges on Wednesday for his alleged role in the murder of seven Americans at a CIA base in Afghanistan.

The Justice Department move came as the State Department added the Tehreek-e-Taliban to a blacklist of foreign terrorist organizations, which means members face asset freezes and travel bans.
Ah. So this wasn't about prosecuting the man in a United States civil court, but about finally admitting the group is a terrorist organization. Long past bloody time, that.
The State Department also offered rewards of up to five million dollars each for information leading to Mehsud's location and the location of Wali ur-Rehman, who is reportedly Mehsud's current second-in-command.
I can't imagine they're feeling pleased in ISI headquarters. Could that be the real reason why the Military Nine left us in a huff?
"Hakimullah Mehsud, the self-proclaimed emir of the Pakistani Taliban, has been charged by criminal complaint for his alleged involvement in the murder of seven American citizens on December 30, 2009 at a US military base in Afghanistan," the Justice Department said in a statement.

In a two-count complaint filed in US District Court in Washington, Mehsud was charged with conspiracy to murder Americans abroad and conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction against US citizens abroad.

Daniel Benjamin, the ambassador at large for counter-terrorism, said Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs), often made up of fertilizer and diesel fuel, fall into the category of weapons of mass destruction.
I thought nuclear bombs, which can kill 100,000 at a time, were weapons of mass destruction. An IED generally won't harm more than a dozen at best.
Humam Khalil Abu-Mulal al-Balawi, a Jordanian of Palestinian origin who is said to have been a triple agent, blew himself up at the base in Khost, near the Pakistani border in the deadliest attack against the CIA since 1983.
Seven isn't anything like 100,000.
In addition to the agents, Balawi also killed his Jordanian handler -- a top intelligence officer and member of the royal family.
Neither is eight. This is like those who call everyone they don't like "Nazi".
In addition to the Khost bombing, the United States has linked the Tehreek-e-Taliban (TTP) to a botched car bomb plot in New York's Times Square in May and a deadly attack at the US consulate in Peshawar, Pakistan in April.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton designated the TTP as a foreign terrorist organization on August 12, and it was formally added to the list when it was published Wednesday in the Federal Register.
Posted by: tipper || 09/02/2010 05:38 || Comments || Link || [10 views] Top|| File under:


Iraq
Iraq remains occupied sez Syria
DAMASCUS — Iraq, where US combat operations officially ended on Wednesday, will remain “occupied” until the last American soldier leaves, Syria’s official press said.

“The American withdrawal from Iraq is an important step but incomplete on the road to the recovery of Iraqi sovereignty,” the Al-Baath newspaper of the ruling party said. “Iraq will remain an occupied country as long as there is a single American soldier on its soil,” the newspaper said.
So Pencilneck's mouthpiece has something bad to say about us. Color me salmon surprised ...
Operation New Dawn — the name given to the US military’s new “advise and assist” mission — kicks in on Wednesday.

“Iraq’s independence will be established once the last (US) soldier leaves,” said the government daily Ath-Thawra. “The 50,000 American soldiers who remain in Iraq with their weapons and who will receive orders from their country, are maintaining Iraq’s occupation,” the newspaper said.

Al-Baath said that the situation in neighbouring Iraq at the end of the US combat mission “is catastrophic.”

“The infrastructure has been wiped out and insecurity reigns in this country which is in the throes of anarchy and corruption,” seven years after the US-led invasion, the Al-Baath report said.
Posted by: Steve White || 09/02/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Syria is a country of faags.
Posted by: Jeremiah Flainter9609 || 09/02/2010 0:21 Comments || Top||


Camp Ashraf residents 'not a threat to Iraq'
BAGHDAD / Aswat al-Iraq: Camp Ashraf of anti-Iran group People’s Mojahedin of Iran does not pose a threat to security in the province of Diala, according to a legal advisor on the camp affairs in a statement.
No, not unless the Iranians come over the border to smite them ...
Mohammed al-Sheikhly, the Director of the National Justice Centre and the legal advisor on Camp Ashraf, has denied claims by security officials and political figures that the camp represents a threat to the security situation in Diala.

Sheikhly’s statements came in response to charges by security and politicians in Diala, including the mayor of the province’s al-Saadiya township, Ahmed Al-Zarkoushy, that the PMOI has created anarchy and had been granting financial support to al-Qaeda network in the province.
I do think that if the PMOI had done that we would have dismantled them rather completely.
The PMOI has issued a statement recently, calling on the United Nations Assistance Mission in Iraq (UNAMI) Chairman Ed Melkert, Iraq’s Human Rights Minister Wijdan Michael, U.S. ambassador in Baghdad James Jeffrey and International Criminal Court (ICC) Chief Prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo to do their best to prevent “a crime against humanity inside Camp Ashraf”.

“Some officials have included incorrect information regarding the miserable condition and the oppressive siege imposed by the Iraqi authorities, denying access of food and medicine to Camp Ashraf residents,” according to Sheikhly’s statement received by Aswat al-Iraq news agency.

The PMOI, also known by the abbreviations MKO and MEK, is a militant socialist organization that advocates the overthrow of Iran’s current government. Founded in 1965, the PMOI was originally devoted to armed struggle against the Shah of Iran, capitalism and Western imperialism.

The group officially renounced violence in 2001 and today it is the main organization in the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), an “umbrella coalition” parliament-in-exile that claims to be dedicated to a democratic, secular and coalition government in Iran.

The PMOI has had thousands of its members for many years in bases in Iraq, but they were disarmed in the wake of the 2003 U.S.-led invasion and are said to have adhered to a ceasefire. Its armed wing is, or was, called the National Liberation Army of Iran (NLA).

Former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein dedicated Camp Ashraf in Diala province, northeast of Baghdad, to host the PMOI members since the 1980s.
Posted by: Steve White || 09/02/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The PMOI, also known by the abbreviations MKO and MEK, is a militant socialist organization that advocates the overthrow of Iran's current government.

No, they are a Terrorist Marxist cult with blood up to their elbows. And the western diplomats and politicians advocating for these savages to be a proxy against the Persians are playing with fire.
Posted by: DepotGuy || 09/02/2010 12:36 Comments || Top||


Biden arrives in Arbil to meet Barzani
How exciting for all involved.
ARBIL / Aswat al-Iraq: U.S. Vice President Joseph Biden arrived in Arbil on Wednesday to meet with President of Iraq's Kurdistan region, Massoud Barzani, according to the president's media advisor.

"Biden arrived in Arbil on Wednesday (Sept. 1) and was received by Interior Minister Karim Senjari and Head of Foreign Relations Department in Kurdistan, Falah Mustapha," Faisal al-Dabbagh told Aswat al-Iraq news agency.

"The American official will meet with President Barzani to discuss the formation of the new government and the latest developments after the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq," he added.

Biden had arrived in Baghdad on Monday (Aug. 30) on the occasion of the withdrawal of U.S. combat troops in accordance with the security agreement signed between Baghdad and Washington on December 31, 2008.
Posted by: Steve White || 09/02/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [10 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I hope Barzani can stifle a giggle. Biden's a moron
Posted by: Frank G || 09/02/2010 21:37 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Hamas leader rejects talks with Israel
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — The top Hamas leader in the Gaza Strip rejected compromise with Israel in a fiery speech Wednesday, a day after gunmen killed four Israelis in a strong reminder that the Islamic militant group cannot be ignored in any Mideast deal.

Hamas has claimed responsibility for Tuesday’s shootings, a vivid reminder that the Iranian-backed group may be locked out of the peace negotiations but remains a key player in determining their outcome.

In an address to Hamas members, Gaza strongman Mahmoud Zahar said the movement would resist peace efforts and criticized the Palestinian president for joining the negotiations.

“Today marks the start of direct negotiations between someone who has no right to represent the Palestinian people and the brutal occupier, to provide a cover for Judaizing Jerusalem and stealing the land,” Zahar said.
I'm rather surprised the Israelis didn't just whack Zahar after the four were killed.
Posted by: Steve White || 09/02/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Hamas has claimed responsibility

For what are you waiting? Judgement day??? It's an act of war. Attack. Wipe out Hamas. Do it now.
Posted by: anon1 || 09/02/2010 4:08 Comments || Top||


Obama warns Hamas as peace talks open
Attaboy, Bambi, that oughta do it ...
WASHINGTON — US President Barack Obama Wednesday warned Hamas its “senseless slaughter” would not thwart his Middle East peace drive but a row over Israeli settlements clouded the opening of the long-odds talks. Obama condemned the Islamist group for gunning down four Israelis on the West Bank, billing the attack as a bid to scupper direct Israeli-Palestinian talks here before they even start on Thursday.

“The tragedy we saw yesterday, by terrorists who are purposely trying to undermine these talks, is an example of what we are up against,” Obama said, with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at his side.

On the eve of the first direct Israel-Palestinian talks for 20 months, Obama gathered regional power brokers for one-to-one sessions and a joint dinner at the White House, putting his personal credibility on the line.

In a flurry of high-stakes diplomacy, Obama was also holding separate talks with Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas, Jordan’s King Abdullah II and Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. All five leaders were then due to stand together at a potentially awkward White House appearance to make individual statements, before retiring for a dinner also featuring Quartet diplomatic representative Tony Blair.

Obama’s remarks were a clear attempt to offer diplomatic cover to Netanyahu following the Hamas attack, and to stop the killings from disrupting painstakingly-laid US plans for direct Palestinian-Israeli talks.

Branding the attack on two couples, including a pregnant woman, as “sensless slaughter,” he warned about “extremists and rejectionists who, rather than seeking peace, are going to be seeking destruction.”
Which is why they're called 'extremists' ...
“But I want everybody to be very clear: the United States is going to be unwavering in its support of Israel’s security, and we are going to push back against these kinds of terrorist activities.
Yet another 'I want everybody to be clear'. He uses that just about every speech. TOTUS needs a new library ...
“The message should go out to Hamas and everybody else who is taking credit for these heinous crimes that this is not going to stop us from not only ensuring a secure Israel, but also securing a longer-lasting peace in which people throughout the region can take a different course.
Posted by: Steve White || 09/02/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  On the eve of the first direct Israel-Palestinian talks for 20 months, Obama gathered regional power brokers for one-to-one sessions and a joint dinner at the White House, putting his personal credibility on the line.

More deficit spending I see.



Posted by: Besoeker || 09/02/2010 4:26 Comments || Top||

#2  The talks with Mubarak (Israel also called him) yielded an op ed by the Egyptian Prez in the NYTimes.

This will make it a bit less easy for Abbas to leave the talks.

However, all this really misses the point that a large section of the PA population basically favors extermination of Israel and Jews.
Posted by: lord garth || 09/02/2010 9:42 Comments || Top||

#3  Let me know if anything happens. Meanwhile, there are the U.S. elections in November 2010.
Posted by: JohnQC || 09/02/2010 10:11 Comments || Top||

#4  An interesting op-ed, lord garth. I particularly liked this paragraph:

However, President Obama’s determined involvement has revived our hopes for peace and we must seize this opportunity. The broad parameters of a permanent Palestinian-Israeli settlement are already clear: the creation of a Palestinian state in the territories occupied by Israel in 1967 with Jerusalem as a capital for both Israel and Palestine. Previous negotiations have already resolved many of the details on the final status of refugees, borders, Jerusalem and security.

Well, not liked, exactly. But it was interesting to see President Mubarak shape the argument by making the points yet to be resolved into basic assumptions. Egypt may be partnering with Israel against the branch of the Muslim Brotherhood that is Hamas, but clearly they are not willing to accept a Jewish state as a permanent reality, and continue to work against its long-term existence.
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/02/2010 12:18 Comments || Top||


Olde Tyme Religion
U.S. Muslim Soldier files for conscientious objector status - "Islam is a peaceful religion"
A Muslim soldier from Texas who joined the U.S. Army last year now wants to leave the military, claiming he is a conscientious objector whose devotion to Islam has suffered since he took an oath to defend the United States against all enemies.
You can't expect him to defend the U.S. against those peaceful Muslims attacking us.
Pfc. Naser Abdo, a 20-year-old infantryman assigned to the 101st Airborne Division at Fort Campbell, Ky., filed for conscientious objector status in June because his faith and the military simply don't mix, he told FoxNews.com. The Army has deferred his scheduled deployment to Afghanistan.

"Islam is a peaceful religion, it's not a religion of warfare," Abdo said. "And it's not a religion of terror. As a Muslim, we stand against injustice, we stand against discrimination, and I feel it's my duty as an individual to do this."
Don't pay any attention to the man behind the curtain.
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 09/02/2010 14:01 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Military duties have really consumed every part of my day and did not allow me time to involve myself with the Islamic community to maintain what duties I felt that I owed God. This is really what made me come to the conclusion that I'm not ready to die...

Yes, well...military duty does kinda take up a big part of your day. Especially if you're in the military.
I'd find the recruiter that signed this moron up and boot him in the ass.
Posted by: tu3031 || 09/02/2010 14:31 Comments || Top||

#2  Probably should kick this Islamic POS cockroach to the curb before we have another incidence of 'workplace violence'. Matter of face, kick them all out -- with a dishonorable discharge, of course.
Posted by: Sleque Barnsmell1141 || 09/02/2010 14:35 Comments || Top||

#3  "By no means am I expecting a standing ovation," he said."

Most likely a year in jail and a OTH or BCD discharge if application is denied. If his superiors are too wishy washy to see that this chap is not against all wars, and therefore is NOT a CO then they are idiots too. HT recruitment process is suspect, that is becoming pretty evident when the U.S. Army keeps signing up this muslim yahoos who roll on it.
Posted by: Entertaining Prose || 09/02/2010 14:51 Comments || Top||

#4  I'm reminded of Hitler's song from Mel Brooks The Producers.

"I don't want war! All I want is peace...peace...peace...!
A little piece of Poland,
A little piece of France,
A little piece of Austria
And Hungary, perchance!
A little slice of Turkey
And all that that entails,
And then a bit of England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales!"
Posted by: Anonymoose || 09/02/2010 14:59 Comments || Top||

#5  So our peaceful adult age muslim voluntarily joins the armed forces of a country currently at man made catastrophe contingency operations war? Look at the bright side kid, if you are right and locals are peaceful you won't die.

If they kick him out, would it be too much to ask to send him the bill?
Posted by: swksvolFF || 09/02/2010 15:38 Comments || Top||

#6  Give him a General Discharge under dishonorable conditions and call it a day. He can't collect anything after he is booted and keeps him from working as a contractor and keeping any clearance, but doesn't give the full slap a dishonorable would so it would be tough to sue.
Posted by: DarthVader || 09/02/2010 16:53 Comments || Top||

#7  Islam is a peaceful religion

So let's ignore the real history [like most American 'educators'] of how Islam spread from the present day Saudi Peninsula to the reaches of Spain and Central Asia. Sort of skips over a long list of prominent battles on other peoples turf. The word is conquest. Maybe that's why the Spanish label their hundreds of years of war as the Reconquesta.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 09/02/2010 17:05 Comments || Top||

#8  "Give him a General Discharge under dishonorable conditions and call it a day. He can't collect anything after he is booted and keeps him from working as a contractor and keeping any clearance, but doesn't give the full slap a dishonorable would so it would be tough to sue"

No way. A General can be upgraded after a year! Actually a General under Honorable is non- punitive and is "good paper" for a misdemeanor or some shite but otherwise the soldier member did their job generally well and may have even had a spotless record for years before an incident. Whilst it does exclude certain bennies, its not uncommon or all that bad. Therefore, in my opinion, it is too good for him, because he can collect certain VA health benefits and after 5 years or so have passed, has a good chance of obtaining a clearance from what some mil lawyers say, each clearance is adjudicated on a case by case basis and level of clearance also comes into play. So ideally something harsher suits. All told, an OTH or worse would be the way to go. Not in the league with "good paper", no GI Bill lesser chance for upgrade, etc. And he can't really get it upgraded the way a General can be upgraded after a year and the upgrade is a mail it in form. His superiors ought to give him an OTH and call it a day.
Posted by: Entertaining Prose || 09/02/2010 17:43 Comments || Top||

#9  Isn't it part of the enlistment contract - that you are not a conscientious objector. I recollect reading (here on the 'Burg?) of some young troop who tried to pull this to get out of deploying to Iraq/Afghanistan, and his commander pulled out the enlistment contract and pointed out on it where he had indicated that he wasn't a conscientious objector. So, the commander wanted to know - was he lying when he enlisted, or lying now?
Posted by: Sgt.Mom || 09/02/2010 17:55 Comments || Top||

#10  Sgt Mom, Pfc Abdo may try to claim that as he has matured, his thinking on war has changed. I believe other "Conscientious objectors" have tried this approach.
Of course, he isn't saying he is against all war, just war against Muslim countries.
I have no sympathy. Call me out of retirement and I'll cheerfully sit on his court-martial. I'll give him a fair trial before his hanging.
Posted by: Rambler in Virginia || 09/02/2010 18:19 Comments || Top||

#11  Instead of discharge, I like the WWII solution. Send him to the Aleutian Islands to "count penguins". With three square meals of MREs every day, which he is authorized to augment by catching fish. Relaxed uniform requirements, so he can grow a beard. And enough propane to keep his survey shack a snug 50F.

And he can pray five times a day, and memorize the Koran if he likes. When his enlistment is up, he outprocesses at Fort Irwin, in July, for a couple of weeks.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 09/02/2010 19:08 Comments || Top||

#12  I'll do one better than that. Keep him on rear detachment serving the troops downrange but make it miserable and make him finish out his contract to the day, minute, and hour. The Army is well within rights to do this. Feed him. Then send him to pick up trash all day and other sundry hot sweaty disgusting tasks for duty with only four hours of sleep for the maximum time allowable. Deny any promotions and take his rank down to E-1.
Posted by: Entertaining Prose || 09/02/2010 19:17 Comments || Top||

#13  And, of course, after all that still give him OTH.
Posted by: Entertaining Prose || 09/02/2010 19:23 Comments || Top||

#14  From the article:

"The Army recognizes that even in our all-volunteer force, a soldier's moral, ethical or religious beliefs may change over time," an Army statement read. "The Army and Fort Campbell has procedures in place for soldiers who declare themselves to be conscientious objectors and who apply for conscientious objector status."

Applications for conscientious objectors -- defined by Army Regulation 600-43 as a person who is "sincerely opposed, because of religious or deeply held moral or ethical (not political, philosophical, or sociological) beliefs, to participating in war in any form" -- can take up to six months to process. Approval rates in the Army over the last seven years have averaged 58 percent. Across all U.S. military branches, 53 percent of conscientious objector status applications were approved from 2002 through 2006.


If Pfc Abdo really has been harassed for his faith as he claims, I could understand his change of heart about the military, and his grabbing on to this excuse to get out. For that matter, a young acquaintance of mine went in all gung-ho to be an MP, but has had a change of heart because he was assigned as a guard at Leavenworth prison. We'll see if he succeeds in his current goal of getting thrown out for failure to meet physical standards. People don't necessarily know what they want or what they can handle at that age.

I'd discharge him, glad that he didn't fall prey to Sudden Jihad Syndrome, and get back a fair portion of his signing bonus. (He served one year of the three he signed up for? Then he gets to keep 1/3rd of any signing bonus. Like that.) I'd definitely put him on all the watch lists for a while. Finally, I'd change the rules to say that nobody gets veterans benefits unless they've served either at least one full term of duty or been severely injured in the line of duty -- no splinter-in-the-finger Purple Hearts or sudden pacifists need apply.
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/02/2010 19:45 Comments || Top||

#15  Interestingly, I would agree with the fact that young men may not know what they are getting into, however, does anyone entering military service know what they are really getting themselves into though? The expectation of finding something to believe in or even be devoted to is not guaranteed in the contract. Indeed, sometimes one's true alliane becomes all the more clear. Hindsight is 20/20. I would venture, not a chance. He signed a contract, and it is binding. He should forfeit all claims to his bonus, and he should be either discharged unfavorably or held to account to work in a non combatant role for the unit. He could be moved to another unit if harassment becomes problematic, but serve he must.
Posted by: Entertaining Prose || 09/02/2010 19:57 Comments || Top||

#16  Let him go, just after he gets his special face-dot tatoo for the cameras in the drones, and a chip for grid references. Oh, and make him/the family/tribe buy his way out, with an end-user Bambi tax on the chip and ink.
He knew what he was getting into and has broken his end of the contract.
Posted by: Rhodesiafever || 09/02/2010 22:28 Comments || Top||

#17  Our Zulu Impi King will hire him for a White House posting. No background ck or security clearance needed.
Posted by: Besoeker || 09/02/2010 23:25 Comments || Top||


Terror Networks
PDF - A Begging Whine from Russian Muslims Fighting in Waziristan for money
Posted by: Water Modem || 09/02/2010 09:29 || Comments || Link || [10 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I get calls from the Senate Democratic Committee sometimes (and the Republicans) that sound a bit like this stuff.
Posted by: lord garth || 09/02/2010 12:01 Comments || Top||

#2  Beslan started six years ago today. Remember that, "Russian Muslims"?
Send them napalm. Air mail...
Posted by: tu3031 || 09/02/2010 13:35 Comments || Top||

#3  All I know is I am not very sympathetic to any muslim group or organization anymore. In fact, I will drink to Russian success.
Posted by: DarthVader || 09/02/2010 13:53 Comments || Top||

#4  Landshark!
Posted by: Spatch Speaking for Boskone8774 || 09/02/2010 21:35 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Letters From the Imam: Feisel Abdul Rauf on Israel and Iran.
Rauf in a letter to the NYT published November 1977 concerning Israeli-Egyptian detente:
"give peace a chance."
but also
"For my fellow Arabs I have the following special message: Learn from the example of the Prophet Mohammed, your greatest historical personality. After a state of war with the Meccan unbelievers that lasted for many years, he acceded, in the Treaty of Hudaybiyah, to demands that his closest companions considered utterly humiliating. Yet peace turned out to be a most effective weapon against the unbelievers."
IOW peace is just a "Hudna" the desired end result being total victory for Islam.
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: Snert Grang2025 || 09/02/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  DAILY TIMES.PK > [Ex-UK PM] BLAIR: WORLD MUST PREPARE FOR IRAN MILITARY OPTION, arguing that a Nuc Iran will alter REGIONAL BALAnCE OF POWER, but also widin ISLAM itself.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 09/02/2010 2:13 Comments || Top||

#2  Rauf's Ground Zero Mosque project is arguably a private affair of his, but Rauf is also an official, paid representative of the US government in the arab-islamic world.

Does the Obama administration agree with Rauf's long term plan for peace in the middle-east?

Do they share his vision of arab-majority post-Israel with a jewish dhimmi minority?

Do they believe in the legitimacy of iranian islamofascism?

If the answer is no, then why was Rauf hired in the first place?
Posted by: Snert Grang2025 || 09/02/2010 7:30 Comments || Top||

#3  Just an aside. The latest I heard is that this imam and Daisy are slum lords in New Jersey. They own an apartment complex. The residents complain that they never fix anything such as leaking roofs, etc. Daisy comes and makes notes but then nothing ever happens.
Posted by: JohnQC || 09/02/2010 9:58 Comments || Top||

#4  Why am I getting this strong feeling that this guy isn't who he pretends to be?
Posted by: JohnQC || 09/02/2010 10:00 Comments || Top||

#5  Why am I getting this strong feeling that this guy isn't who he pretends to be?

Because you've been paying attention.
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 09/02/2010 12:50 Comments || Top||



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