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2022-11-22 Olde Tyme Religion

The Sikhs are fighting the biggest battle of their lives and that is ~~forced~~ conversion to Christianity

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Posted by trailing wife 2022-11-22 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11132 views ] Top

#1 From the article:
"Christian protesters indulged in violence by pelting stones and burning tyres on the national highway. They gave an ultimatum to the administration to arrest Sikhs who they said had blasphemed against Jesus."

Posted by Higher Level of Morality 2022-11-22 07:59|| 2022-11-22 07:59|| Front Page Top

#2 Feel good story of the day.

Posted by Vespasian Ebboting9735 2022-11-22 08:21|| 2022-11-22 08:21|| Front Page Top

#3 My two rupees. Nothing is however what it first appears to be. Although I'd be the first to defend Christianity, the kind propagated in Punjab with heavy money and muscle behind it is often just cultism and charismatic cults which end up as armed, fortified gangs. There's a lot of land encroachment, extortion, blackmail and even anti-national activism thrown in. Not all the groups though. But the ones that get the biggest tents, the loudest voices and pull the most crowds are invariably trouble.

See, people who quietly join a church, officially convert, get baptized are all okay and it's a fundamental right India fervently protects. It's the distribution of cash for standing in a group and chanting that the government worries about. And this narrative, about Sikhs all running away to churches is a horror for the hindoo populist government. OneIndia is a proper right wing hindu mouthpiece.

Usually these cults record these things, show that vid to the sponsors abroad, and collect moolah, aid for 'spreading the kingdom'. While that is still okay, just everyday chicanery, the populist governments crack down because of the militant locals who see these mass conversions as loss of dominion.

The Sikh religion is as protocol constricted, invasive a system of control as any. With it's own heirarchy of bureaucrats and bitter infighting and politics for offices, salaries and extortion in the name of humanitarian work, it's same old sexist themes and the total enslavement of families by community. Naturally most people in this age of individualism would want to escape it. But the biggest salvation the 'lower caste' Indian sees is from ...well, caste. Which doesn't exist in Christianity. It did not exist in Sikhism either at first but informally crept back in because in the Indian it never really goes away. But in Christianity everything's equalizes, your caste disappears, your class or economic strata becomes insignificant. Which is why it appeals to masses that need reprieve from the Indian class system. Add a layer of 'I am the prophet Jaswinder, second coming of Jeejus!' and you have thousands trapped in madness, and several cults fighting each other for control of huge congregations. And a very apprehensive government jumping at the ghost of European agencies, CIA, maoism, China, khalistanis, whatever. Or just the leftists poaching those constituencies, which is worse for these people. In India, if you control a sizeable mass of people you control votes, and you this gain leverage over the rulers.

Some of the best Christians I know in India are poor Punjabi farmers nobody knows are even Christian. I witnessed the saving of more than a hundred moslems and some of them live in Punjab, under very capable pastors. People who didn't just find a group to mentally support them. Folks actually know Christ now and He I'm sure knows them. Their next generation are all young saints and faithful. Poor Punjabi evangelists were used by Gawd to do that. Not a great big revival thingy with free food and big tents and fancy promises of jobs as church ushers and deacons and scholarships.

I know I didn't do a very good job of explaining. Sorty sorry. I'm not for or against the conversions. I don't care if Sikhism becomes a footnote in history personally. The whole thing should never have become an issue, if the so called Christians were not using the faith as a political crutch.

As for physical aggression between them and Sikhs, I think the Sikhs deserve that for being lawless and trying to institute blasphemy as a new doctrine. Good they got beaten.

Posted by Dron66046 2022-11-22 08:53|| 2022-11-22 08:53|| Front Page Top

#4 Articulate clarity. Nice.

Posted by Skidmark 2022-11-22 09:05|| 2022-11-22 09:05|| Front Page Top

#5 I was hoping for a comment from you on the subject, Dron — I find what you said here even more useful than usual. Well done! :-)

The thing about the congregation size is that India has so many people that what would be suspicious here is not necessarily so over there, and I don’t know how to judge. Higher Level Morality raised the point beautifully, so I hope your answer is as satisfying there as it is to me.

Posted by trailing wife 2022-11-22 09:22|| 2022-11-22 09:22|| Front Page Top

#6 Articulate clarity

Posted by Dron66046 2022-11-22 10:19|| 2022-11-22 10:19|| Front Page Top

#7 Articulate clarity

Really? I thought I was rambling. Thanks.

Posted by Dron66046 2022-11-22 10:21|| 2022-11-22 10:21|| Front Page Top

#8 Higher level morality, yes. Anything that teaches to treat each other as they want to be treated and puts the fear of a deeply interested GaWD in you, that's always good. Better than tricky Hinduist mumbo jumbo or masochist self flagellation etcetera at least. A lot depends on the intent of preachers themselves I think. But the Lord of course has his ways to get the water of life into the crookedest places to save his own. My own church threw me out, and I don't need the dweebs either. See, I'm rambling again...

Posted by Dron66046 2022-11-22 10:34|| 2022-11-22 10:34|| Front Page Top

#9 *Sigh* When a religion becomes a Big Business™ it usually loses its morals.

Posted by magpie 2022-11-22 14:26|| 2022-11-22 14:26|| Front Page Top

#10 ^
How scorned 'gay lover' brought down the Chrisleys by turning Todd into the FBI for fraud after their affair soured: Wife of 35 YEARS is standing by him despite infidelity

Posted by Skidmark 2022-11-22 14:43|| 2022-11-22 14:43|| Front Page Top

#11 ^ Gay. I figured as much

Posted by Frank G 2022-11-22 19:14|| 2022-11-22 19:14|| Front Page Top

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