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2022-05-17 Europe

Is NATO running out of weapons to supply Ukraine? (no)

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Posted by DarthVader 2022-05-17 09:51|| || Front Page|| [11126 views ] Top

#1 What is/was the purpose of the ammo? I believe that is being accomplished just further east than within house.

Posted by Procopius2k 2022-05-17 10:10|| 2022-05-17 10:10|| Front Page Top

#2 Surprised there hasn't been a contact landed yet to develop the next-gen Javelin for "if and when stocks become depleted."

Posted by swksvolFF 2022-05-17 10:43|| 2022-05-17 10:43|| Front Page Top

#3 What with all the talk about "ramping up production", I got a question: Do you wonder why Raytheon et al don't seem to have chip shortages and supply issues like everybody else?
Just thinking' out loud...

Posted by ed in texas 2022-05-17 11:06|| 2022-05-17 11:06|| Front Page Top

#4 ...someone actually enforced the contract on buying only from 'secure' sources rather than subcontracted out to a third party source using 'unsecured' sources?

Posted by Procopius2k 2022-05-17 11:16|| 2022-05-17 11:16|| Front Page Top

#5 Do you wonder why Raytheon et al don't seem to have chip shortages

Simple reason. Most of the high end chips are made in the US or Taiwan with US designs and the US gets first claim to them. Cheap chips that reside in IoT devices or cars come from China, and we don't put that shit in our weapons.

Posted by DarthVader 2022-05-17 11:53|| 2022-05-17 11:53|| Front Page Top

#6 A most interesting point, Darth! Last thing you want in your mil-spec electronics is too much chinesium.

Posted by SteveS 2022-05-17 12:12|| 2022-05-17 12:12|| Front Page Top

#7 /\ But it's ok for the great sea of the unwashed.

Posted by Besoeker 2022-05-17 12:16|| 2022-05-17 12:16|| Front Page Top

#8 ...and cheaper. See the price on mil-spec stuff? It's not just a $100 hammer*

*btw, your Congresscritters are the ones that require DoD buy the $100 hammer through contracting regulations and then allow blame to fall on DoD. If local procurement went down to Home Depot or Lowes they could actual go to (reserved for little people) jail.

Posted by Procopius2k 2022-05-17 12:36|| 2022-05-17 12:36|| Front Page Top

#9 Also tack on P2K if things need replaced in a SCIF, the contractors need to have the level of clearance necessary to go into a lot of the high level ones. (low level secret ones you just turn on the red light and lock the computer screens to let them in. No background clearance needed)

So yes, it can cost $200-400 per toilet seat. The military used to do all that themselves, but the Powers-That-Be™ decided it was easier and cheaper to have cleared civilians do it. Seems like more expensive to me but I'm just a grunt.

Posted by DarthVader 2022-05-17 12:54|| 2022-05-17 12:54|| Front Page Top

#10 Cheap chips that reside in IoT devices or cars come from China, and we don't put that shit in our weapons.

Hope you're right about that. We'll find out if we ever have to fight the Chinese.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-05-17 12:56|| 2022-05-17 12:56|| Front Page Top

#11
#6...chinesium..I'm so stealing that for future use as a generic descriptor of the guts of any suspect device!

Posted by NoMoreBS 2022-05-17 13:00|| 2022-05-17 13:00|| Front Page Top

#12 Consumer products use cheap Chinese chips because nobody is going to pay $5000.00 for a TV or smartphone.

A guy said something to me last week in a discussion of parts sourcing that is sticking with me: "Not all crap is made in China, but everything made in China is crap."

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-05-17 13:00|| 2022-05-17 13:00|| Front Page Top

#13 Unless Skynet and Chinanet determine the only way to guarantee their survival other than being ghosts in a toaster is to team up.

Posted by swksvolFF 2022-05-17 13:04|| 2022-05-17 13:04|| Front Page Top

#14 ^ Colossus: The Forbin Project

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-05-17 13:07|| 2022-05-17 13:07|| Front Page Top

#15

Let's say NATO becomes drained of AMMO and WEAPONS.
Is Russia the threat, or will China become the threat given its manufacturing abilities we the US gave them?

Posted by NN2N1 2022-05-17 14:24|| 2022-05-17 14:24|| Front Page Top

#16 ..unlikely. Russia is a land war. Any war with China will be largely naval with cutting all those overseas supply lines they are now dependent upon. Of course the Chinese could go to Siberia to make up some of those losses at the expense of someone who's exhausted his own stockpiles. Easier to simply become a good vassal like Alexander Nevsky.

Posted by Procopius2k 2022-05-17 15:53|| 2022-05-17 15:53|| Front Page Top

#17 NB: The comments at the link are interesting, too.

Posted by trailing wife 2022-05-17 16:00|| 2022-05-17 16:00|| Front Page Top

#18 Do you wonder why Raytheon et al don't seem to have chip shortages

No.
Try and buy a washing machine.

Posted by Skidmark 2022-05-17 16:32|| 2022-05-17 16:32|| Front Page Top

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