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2022-01-03 -Short Attention Span Theater-

COVID-19: First Israelis aged 60+ receive fourth vaccines

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Posted by Skidmark 2022-01-03 09:00|| || Front Page|| [11129 views ] Top

#1 Welcome to your weekly booster....g(r)om unavailable for comment..

Posted by Warthog 2022-01-03 09:59|| 2022-01-03 09:59|| Front Page Top

#2 Don't call it a booster. It's the same shot as before. Kind of like giving you a flu shot from 2 seasons ago.

Also, Israel has much higher case and fatality rate than the unvaccinated Paleos. Just an interesting data point.

Posted by Angstrom 2022-01-03 10:34|| 2022-01-03 10:34|| Front Page Top

#3 Israel is only approving the booster for the elderly in retirement homes, those immunocompromised, and medical staff — all who had their third shot at least four months ago. They’re hoping to pass peak in a few weeks.

As I recall, g(r)omgoru did argue that because corona viruses evolve so quickly, vaccines would need to follow suit.

Posted by trailing wife 2022-01-03 10:35|| 2022-01-03 10:35|| Front Page Top

#4 But apparently nobody argues that they have to, you know, actually work...

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-03 10:41|| 2022-01-03 10:41|| Front Page Top

#5 6 more boosters and they all get a free sandwich.

Posted by Crusader 2022-01-03 11:35|| 2022-01-03 11:35|| Front Page Top

#6 Pope Fauxi I is now telling vaccinated people to avoid unvaccinated people. Anyone see the gaping hole in that logic?

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-03 11:37|| 2022-01-03 11:37|| Front Page Top

#7 On Twitter there is a statistics expert who has written many statistics books including textbooks.
His look at the "scientific results" of the vaccines is quite interesting... You might want to follow him and read his result analysis. BOTH SIDES of the VACCINE ISSUE HATE HIM!

Salil Statistics
@salilstatistics

Posted by 3dc 2022-01-03 12:52|| 2022-01-03 12:52|| Front Page Top

#8 The short of it is that 1) there really is a dangerous set of viruses out there. 2) Most of the statistical information sources on COVID data are pre-processed or cooked in ways easy to prove 3) Vaccine usefulness is not a given and may even hurt one 4) He sill gets his vaccinations and has his wife and family do the same. It may or may not be useful but it's the only prevention game out there. 5) He wishes for other options and openness and discussion with the powers that be.

Posted by 3dc 2022-01-03 13:00|| 2022-01-03 13:00|| Front Page Top

#9 Oh and the disease follows a seasonal pattern and it's various peaks and valleys are not much different than were predicted for no vaccine. As to less terminal hospital stays with a vaccination that seems to be the case.

Posted by 3dc 2022-01-03 13:03|| 2022-01-03 13:03|| Front Page Top

#10 The vaccine has failed and is failing. It should by no means be mandatory.

Posted by Merrick Ferret 2022-01-03 14:33|| 2022-01-03 14:33|| Front Page Top

#11 It's not a vaccine, it's an injection of mRNA.

Somewhere Mengele giggles.

Posted by Big Oppressor of the Weak6179 2022-01-03 15:15|| 2022-01-03 15:15|| Front Page Top

#12 g(r)omgoru did argue that because corona viruses evolve so quickly, vaccines would need to follow suit.

The man has a point. We're not talking "viruses" and "vaccines" in general, but this specific virus and these specific mRNA vaccines. Join me, as we stroll into the Land of Tortured Analogies...

Imagine if you will, that a virus is made up of little colored Lego bricks (proteins). Our friend, COVID-19, has something unusual - a little red brick (the spike). Vary rare.

When COVID first showed up, our close personal friends, the Chinese who apparently had some previous experience, were neither forthcoming nor trustworthy. This being a novel virus and not knowing how dangerous it was, we panicked and cranked out a vaccine as quickly as possible. None of that 5 years and a bazillion dollars of drug testing because PANDEMIC!

A vaccine works by giving your immune system a heads-up so it can recognize who the bad guys are when they come around. It's like handing out mug shots to the bouncer at the door so he can recognize the gang-bangers.

Traditionally, when we make vaccines, we mush up the virus in a test tube and squirt it in your arm. Your body sees all the little Lego bricks and has an idea what to look for next time. In this specific case, we made a vaccine with *only* red Lego bricks. Only.

But viruses mutate. It's what they do. The DNA copying mechanism is a bit sloppy and every once in a while, an error occurs. BAM! A new mutation. A new variant.

Being freshly vaccinated, our bouncer is standing at the door looking for little red bricks. Anybody shows up with a red brick, they get punched in the face and tossed out on the street. Yay, the vaccine working!

But viruses mutate. If that red brick mutates into a green brick, there is nothing to alert the bouncer and he says come on in and make yourself at home. And just like that, you have a COVID variant. It is essentially the original virus, but it has evolved just enough to get around this specific vaccine.

Dang! So we boot up the gene sequencer and sus out what color of Legos we are dealing with now. We iterate through our quick vaccine process and here is your "booster" shot. Easy peasy. The red and green variants don't stand a chance.

But viruses mutate. Now it's a yellow brick. Aw, hell. So we turn the crank one more time and here is your "booster" shot! (booster shot strikes me as a bit of a misnomer since we are talking about a new vaccine against a very specific subspecies of a particular virus)

Sounds familiar and rather endless, eh? Lucky for us, another biological principle is in play: over time, a virus will evolve to become more contagious and less deadly. Kinda sorta like the South African Omicron variant that seems to be both contagious and mild. This does not mean the more virulent variants magically disappear. They are still around mutating, but being exposed to the rapidly spreading Omicron should give a more broad-spectrum immunity since it is based on the entire virus and not a single protein.

Bottom Line At Last (BLAL): maybe giving "boosters" to the old and infirm isn't such a bad idea.

Posted by SteveS 2022-01-03 15:54|| 2022-01-03 15:54|| Front Page Top

#13 3dc:

It may or may not be useful but it's the only prevention game out there. 5) He wishes for other options and openness and discussion with the powers that be.

Well, in this case he's trusting the people who helped make the virus (and lied about it) and not only lied about treatments but killed people to further the lies to be telling the truth about the vaccines.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2022-01-03 17:58|| 2022-01-03 17:58|| Front Page Top

#14 As a data analyst for 21+ years the first thing you do before any statistical analysis is get good data. I have not seen any data related to COVID that would allow for any meaningful analysis. Just my professional opinion. And there is even less meaningful information to go by. Everyone is on their own to make an important decision about their health. Good Luck.

Posted by Airandee 2022-01-03 18:00|| 2022-01-03 18:00|| Front Page Top

#15 (Hold on, let me search the thread for "ACE inhibitors, my eyes are shot today and I don't feel like reading the whole thing...

I think that part of the problem with the current set of vaccines used in the west is that they're targeting a molecule that was originally designed to infect the receptor sites for some important molecules for cardiovascular function, called angiotensin.

Look it up for yourself, my eyes are tired.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2022-01-03 18:04|| 2022-01-03 18:04|| Front Page Top

#16 in Israel, as elsewhere, a fair number of medical personnel are expecting the Omnicron to be, in effect, a passive vaccine

this would show with new cases above, say 20k per day for several weeks, while deaths per day are below 10

Posted by Lord Garth 2022-01-03 18:04|| 2022-01-03 18:04|| Front Page Top

#17 Oh, one more thing: by making a vaccine that focuses on one protein, the so-called spike protein that's designed to screw up angiotensin receptors, the antibodies not only attack the spike protein, but also nearby molecules it's stuck to, like the surface of the heart cells.

There are other people out there who described the process in greater detail to me back in April/May 2021. Lots of the stuff that's happened seems to be matching up with what they said then.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2022-01-03 18:18|| 2022-01-03 18:18|| Front Page Top

#18 Spare our young men. The data show conclusively that they are at significantly greater risk -- about 5x -- of myocarditis if vaccinated than of COVID-induced hospitalization if not vaccinated.

There ought to be separate policies for the elderly, those under 30, and the rest of us.

Focused protection, in other words: this is what the 'Great Barrington' epidemiologists and biostatisticians Dr. Bhattacharya (Stanford), Dr. Kulldorf (Harvard), Dr. Gupta (Oxford), along with Dr. Scott Atlas and tens of thousands of experts from around the world, have recommended consistently.

Posted by Merrick Ferret 2022-01-03 20:40|| 2022-01-03 20:40|| Front Page Top

#19 We have all been forced participants in a rushed, poorly-constructed, haphazardly executed gene-therapy experiment -- one characterized by constant shifting of goalposts, botched and incoherent data management, and heavy-handed and inconsistent policies made in secret by unelected bureaucrats throwing cost-benefit analysis to the winds.

Posted by Merrick Ferret 2022-01-03 20:45|| 2022-01-03 20:45|| Front Page Top

#20 The latest from the Great Barrington (GBD) Drs. Bhattacharya, Kulldorf and Gupta -- thanks to an FOIA request, they can reveal now that Fauxi and Francis Collins and their counterparts in the U.K. deliberately smeared the GBD group with a propaganda campaign of lies and bullshit, funneled through an ignorant and compliant press. Excerpt:

"Collins and Fauci played critical roles in designing and advocating for the pandemic lockdown strategy adopted by the US and many other countries. In emails written four days after the Great Barrington Declaration and disclosed recently after a FOIA request, it was revealed that the two conspired to undermine the Declaration. Rather than engaging in scientific discourse, they authorized 'a quick and devastating published takedown' of this proposal, which they characterized as by 'three fringe epidemiologists' from Harvard, Oxford, and Stanford.

"Across the pond, they were joined by their close colleague, Dr. Jeremy Farrar, the head of the Wellcome Trust, one of the world’s biggest non-governmental funders of medical research. He worked with Dominic Cummings, the political strategist of UK prime minister Boris Johnson. Together, they orchestrated 'an aggressive press campaign against those behind the Great Barrington Declaration and others opposed to blanket COVID-19 restrictions.'

"Ignoring our call for focused protection of the vulnerable, Collins and Fauci purposely mischaracterized the GBDl as a “let-it-rip” “herd immunity strategy,” even though focused protection is the very opposite of a let-it-rip strategy. It is more appropriate to call the lockdown strategy that has been followed a “let-it-rip” strategy. Without focused protection, every age group will eventually be exposed in equal proportion, albeit at a prolonged “let-it-drip” pace compared to a do-nothing strategy.

"When journalists started asking us why we wanted to 'let the virus rip,' we were puzzled. Those words are not in the GBD, and they are contrary to the central idea of focused protection. It is unclear whether Collins and Fauci ever read the GBD, whether they deliberately mischaracterized it, or whether their understanding of epidemiology and public health is more limited than we had thought. In any case, it was a lie.

"We were also puzzled by the mischaracterization of the GBD as a “herd immunity strategy.” Herd immunity is a scientifically proven phenomenon, as fundamental in infectious disease epidemiology as gravity is in physics. Every COVID strategy leads to herd immunity, and the pandemic ends when a sufficient number of people have immunity through either COVID-recovery or a vaccine.

"It makes as much sense to claim that an epidemiologist is advocating for a “herd immunity strategy” as it does to claim that a pilot is advocating a “gravity strategy” when landing an airplane. The issue is how to land the plane safely, and whatever strategy the pilot uses, gravity ensures that the plane will eventually return to earth.

Posted by Merrick Ferret 2022-01-03 23:02|| 2022-01-03 23:02|| Front Page Top

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