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2020-09-16 Government
THEY HAVE IT ALL: Ex-NSA Analyst Bill Binney Says Stellarwind Database Has Every Erased Mueller Team Text Message, Hillary Clinton Email
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Posted by gorb 2020-09-16 04:50|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [6479 views ]  Top

#1 Tragic accident wiping out Stellarwind Database in 5 .. 4 .. 3
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-09-16 06:36||   2020-09-16 06:36|| Front Page Top

#2 Binney explained that anybody that goes into the NSA data, including the Five Eyes, the five global English-speaking intelligence agencies, is tracked and recorded onto a network log.

Tracking can also provide insights into requester intelligence gaps and requirements. eBay tracks and forwards like items of interest, or newly posted items to the requester. Why wouldn't the IC do likewise. What am I missing.
Posted by Besoeker 2020-09-16 07:12||   2020-09-16 07:12|| Front Page Top

#3 This is a revelation?
Posted by Clem 2020-09-16 07:24||   2020-09-16 07:24|| Front Page Top

#4 Not to overlook Rantburg's archive and our postings. Hi guys, how's it going o/

Problem is retrieval. Think the last scene of Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Posted by Procopius2k 2020-09-16 07:28||   2020-09-16 07:28|| Front Page Top

#5 /\ Excellent point. The IC has sophisticated 'key word' reach back tools that can rack & stack topical data very rapidly. Well, it was sophisticated 15 years ago.
Posted by Besoeker 2020-09-16 07:34||   2020-09-16 07:34|| Front Page Top

#6 There is also the problem of 'too much data'.

Sorting via AI is possible but that takes a fair amount of time to set up.
Posted by lord garth 2020-09-16 07:47||   2020-09-16 07:47|| Front Page Top

#7 So, if it is correct that the Stellarwind Database scoops up all the crap, why isn't it used to settle issues such as Hillary's erased emails, the Mueller phone data that was erased, the missing Page-Strzok communications, Flynn missing 302, etc. and get on with justice? Why wasn't it used to put an end to Russiagate from the git go and save putting the country through the constant shit show?
Posted by JohnQC 2020-09-16 08:11||   2020-09-16 08:11|| Front Page Top

#8 Now, is it retreiveable via an FOIA?
Posted by AlanC 2020-09-16 08:12||   2020-09-16 08:12|| Front Page Top

#9 Ref #7: So, if it is correct that the Stellarwind Database scoops up all the crap, why isn't it used to settle issues such as Hillary's erased emails

Good question:

(a.) Doing so would comprise methods and capabilities and represent an admission of domestic collection. (b.) Not the job of the intelligence community (IC). (c.) Doing so would appear to run counter to the current political leanings of the IC.
Posted by Besoeker 2020-09-16 08:27||   2020-09-16 08:27|| Front Page Top

#10 /\I dunno AlanC. Even, if this info could be obtained by FOIA, it would take forever to get it. Judicial Watch filed a FOIA to obtain 87 pages of a document from the DOJ and it took a year to obtain. I think this is the Washington, DC rope-a-dope strategy for keeping DS info squirreled away.
Posted by JohnQC 2020-09-16 08:30||   2020-09-16 08:30|| Front Page Top

#11 /\ Concur, and once the data is released it is oftentimes redacted (alleged National Security concerns) to the point of useless. IMA going with John's run the clock out 'rope-a-dope strategy.'

Multi-tiered justice system at work. Place Chappaquiddick bridge submerged Oldsmobile Delta-88 graphic here.

Posted by Besoeker 2020-09-16 08:35||   2020-09-16 08:35|| Front Page Top

#12 This is why Uncle Paulie never used a phone.
Posted by Raj 2020-09-16 09:55||   2020-09-16 09:55|| Front Page Top

#13 Lots of The Hammer tech and the googol technology for storing page clicks and analysing trends have a big overlap.
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2020-09-16 10:37||   2020-09-16 10:37|| Front Page Top

#14 Retrieval? This isn't grandma's attic.
Posted by Clem 2020-09-16 10:43||   2020-09-16 10:43|| Front Page Top

#15 How is that Seth Rich investigation going? Seems like murder is a pretty serious proof of how earnest and ruthless the players on one side of this are, and we are asking about expecting FOIA and endless “investigation “ on the other? Seems like we continue to want to bring a file folder and subpoena to a gunfight. We seem to be unwilling to face the extent of the cancer in parts of our government.
Posted by NoMoreBS 2020-09-16 11:50||   2020-09-16 11:50|| Front Page Top

#16 To the "why don't they" comments, notice the quote:

"all they have to do is go to NSA Stellarwind Database and pull them out as all SMS going over the cell network are captured & stored forever."

The operative acronym is SMS - short messaging service - that is, texts. E-mail and anything else that is routed over the general Internet goes over a packet data service that is not SMS-based. So, sorry, no Shillary e-mail, at least not according to this information.
Posted by Nero 2020-09-16 12:18||   2020-09-16 12:18|| Front Page Top

#17 Binney also said that the missing 30,000 emails from Hillary Clinton’s laptop could be found in Stellarwind as well as all of the communications regarding the alleged ’Russian Collusion’ hoax that led to the investigation into the Trump Administration.

Nero, did Binney get this wrong?
Posted by JohnQC 2020-09-16 12:29||   2020-09-16 12:29|| Front Page Top

#18 That's why Baraq did so much of his business on the golf course. You didn't think he was a great golfer, did you?
Posted by Abu Uluque 2020-09-16 12:32||   2020-09-16 12:32|| Front Page Top

#19 FOIA doesn't cover golf conversations
Posted by Procopius2k 2020-09-16 13:33||   2020-09-16 13:33|| Front Page Top

#20 Edward Snowden is in Russia for talking about this database.
Posted by Ebbomoger Speaking for Boskone4589 2020-09-16 16:49||   2020-09-16 16:49|| Front Page Top

#21 So, sorry, no Shillary e-mail, at least not according to this information.

Sorry, it doesn't have to be SMS to get hoovered up. Everything that passes through an Internet peering point gets hoovered based on protocol.

Mail is SMTP, POP3 and a few others. All the messaging services like iMessage...etc have an identifiable destination protocol that the traffic can be filtered by and marked for collection.

There is a lot more detail associated with the collection of data, but I won't go into as most people don't need to know and probably would not understand. William Binney knows of what he speaks.
Posted by H-T-A 2020-09-16 19:12||   2020-09-16 19:12|| Front Page Top

#22 An amendment to my previous post. Within TCP/IP for transport you have TCP and UDP the first is end to end error checking, the second is best case.

Each of these has a little over 65,000 port identifiers. Where I said identifiable protocol, replace protocol with port.
Posted by H-T-A 2020-09-16 19:15||   2020-09-16 19:15|| Front Page Top

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