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2006-11-23 Fifth Column

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Posted by Elmavish Jerong9627 2006-11-23 08:11|| || Front Page|| [7 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 The death penalty must be used here. The US treads on very thin ice by continuing to issue security clearances to foreigners from countries who are direct enemies or very doubtful in their support. This guy was from India, not really an enemy, but not a loyal US supporter, who couldn't resist the mountains of cash. Why are any Chinese technical people allowed access to our most sensitive programs ? Don't give me horseshit about their being loyal citizens. Some certainly are. A few are not. Just a single one can destroy secrets achieved by decades of effort and billions from our treasury. A good trade-off. I think not.

Posted by SpecOp35 2006-11-23 11:57|| 2006-11-23 11:57|| Front Page Top

#2 The problem isn't foreigners. To work on the B-2 during the development phase, at least on the parts where you had access to design data, you had to be a US citizen with TS SI/SAO clearances. Northrop had people sitting around reading newspapers for 6-12 months waiting for the EBIs to complete so they could start work. Not everyone did; some were politely told their employment was terminated. At one point this traitor withstood intensive scrutiny and was vetted as a trustworthy American citizen.

The problem is that people with access to SI/SAO information are not monitored as closely as they should be. First clue something is wrong: living on an estate in Maui. This is not the normal thing for people who have spent their lives working in defense industry and should have aroused suspicion. Second clue: trips to China. Sorry, but the rule used to be that when you got certain clearances, your foreign travel (even to Canada and Mexico) was controlled and there were some places (i.e. CHINA) that were absolutely forbidden. Unless this policy has been foolishly changed, this SOB should have been grabbed after the FIRST trip to China, not the sixth.

Security basically collapsed under Clinton and Bush has been too busy to restore it. Traitors like this guy are with us always and it is up to the people sworn to keep the secrets to ferret them out and kill them.

A rant for another day is the story of the stupid TRW mail room flunky who sold the Russians billions of dollars worth of satellite technology for $10,000 and wound up with a book deal & movie (Falcon and the Snowman) instead of being drawn and quartered.

Posted by RWV 2006-11-23 12:55|| 2006-11-23 12:55|| Front Page Top

#3 RVW: We just had our annual security refresher training and the 'out of country' rule is still in play. But we were told that you only had to report it, post-trip, rather than ask permission. Still, the first trip should have set off bells.

Posted by USN,Ret 2006-11-23 13:13|| 2006-11-23 13:13|| Front Page Top

#4 It still could have been prevented before it started by not hiring anybody to deal with TS info who isn't at least a second generation American-born. American are so naive it's pathetic when it comes to understanding the loyalties of non-westerners. Although these non-westerners may talk a good talk, they will not walk the same for a long time, unless we learn to walk their walk before then. This guy's behavior is not criminal to him. It is cultural and a bit on the naughty side, but the rest is much ado about very little as far as he is concerned, except for the fact that he may be put in jail for a long time.

Another thing: Don't pi$$ off your workers. Bad things happen to disgruntled workers. Pay them well enough, give them decent severance packages, and help them find their next decent job in a civilized fashion and all will be well. Otherwise, it's not worth the "cost savings" to just dump them on their a$$ outside the building.

Posted by gorb 2006-11-23 14:11|| 2006-11-23 14:11|| Front Page Top

#5 Or maybe he sould run for US congress representing Pennsylvania or California.

Posted by GK 2006-11-23 14:29|| 2006-11-23 14:29|| Front Page Top

#6 Lifted his passport? No fly list? Not in jail?

Posted by Phineter Thraviger 2006-11-23 16:13|| 2006-11-23 16:13|| Front Page Top

#7 According to the indictment, Mr. Gowadia, who lives on an estate on the island of Maui, conspired with two men, Tommy Wong and Henri Nyo

There's something so wong about all of this.

Gowadia's ability to still communicate sensitive information should ensure that he is permanently incarcerated in solitary confinement. No chance of leaking any secrets that way.

Too bad they don't just cap his traitorous ass and be done with it. America needs to come down hard on those who would sell us out to our enemies.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-23 20:39|| 2006-11-23 20:39|| Front Page Top

#8 See also DEFENSETALK.com/CHINESE MILITARY FORUM article > BEIJING'S STRATEGY OF SEA DENIAL + CHINA'S MIL BUILDUP AIMED AT US CARRIERS. In short, PLAN recognizes CV's as both the USN's source of strength = weakness, and will use attack subs to hound US Carriers 24-7-365 as wid the Cold War Soviet Navy, besides to block vital choke/transit routes. Not mentioned but the USN should prob expect PLAN "Boomer" subs, besides PLAN SSN/SSK's, iff and when they reach the battlespace area. ASSASSIN'S MACE + LOCAL/WAR ZONE STRATEGERY > suppor by policy of IMMEDIATE NUCLEAR ESCALATION.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-11-23 21:25|| 2006-11-23 21:25|| Front Page Top

#9 We have the MRI lie detector now, let's use it.

Q. Did you ever give or sell classified info to anyone ?
Q. Did you ever commit a crime ?
Q. Do you know anyone who committed a crime.

It's not rocket science, damnit, let's get it done.

Posted by wxjames 2006-11-23 22:55|| 2006-11-23 22:55|| Front Page Top

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