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2004-08-21 Russia

Report: $900M [Russian] Arms Deal [with China] Is Close

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Posted by Zenster 2004-08-21 1:18:37 AM|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Zenster: Itâs difficult to understand how Russia thinks that these Chinese purchases will not come back to haunt them.

They're pulling the same kind of stunt they pulled with Nazi Germany over 60 years ago - even prior to the Soviet-Nazi peace pact (known as the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact), the Soviets were providing the Nazis with equipment that they used to attack Western Europe. The problem here is that China isn't Germany - it's got six times the population of Russia, and a rapidly growing economy that has already outstripped Russia's. The Russians are digging their own grave.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2004-08-21 1:36:52 AM|| [http://www.polipundit.com] 2004-08-21 1:36:52 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 The Russians are digging their own grave.

Unfortunately, Russia won't go into the cold ground alone. It will also be a mass burial for Taiwan, Japan, Korea, the Philippines ... ~~RAS~~Putin is nobody's friend.

Posted by Zenster 2004-08-21 2:04:55 AM|| 2004-08-21 2:04:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 China is also eyeing all that oil in Siberia.

Posted by crazyhorse 2004-08-21 2:13:16 AM|| 2004-08-21 2:13:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Lol, CH, what isn't China eyeballin'?

Posted by .com 2004-08-21 2:22:47 AM|| 2004-08-21 2:22:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 China is worrisome for several reasons. Its dependence on fossil fuel energy is growing at an alarming pace. Its growing population and the lack of reverence for individual human life makes for a formidable enemy if we were ever to become enemy combatants. China is less likely to provoke Islamic hatred because of the brown skinned brotherhood of the down trodden. China could do alot of damage to us if it plays its cards right with the Arabs.

Posted by rex 2004-08-21 2:26:54 AM|| 2004-08-21 2:26:54 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Won't this sale piss the French off?

Posted by Super Hose 2004-08-21 2:27:45 AM|| 2004-08-21 2:27:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 http://www.gateway2russia.com/st/art_144395.php
23 September 2003 21:14
A Chinese `Invasion`

Russia's latest census has produced a bombshell result: over the past decade, the Chinese have emerged as the fastest growing ethnic minority in Russia. While official data of the October 2002 census will be published only next month, preliminary figures leaked to the press show that Russia's Chinese population has grown from just over 5,000 in the late 1980s to 3.26 million today.

I think the whole of the Russian Far East has less than 7 million Russians.

Posted by ed 2004-08-21 2:29:43 AM|| 2004-08-21 2:29:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 rex: China is less likely to provoke Islamic hatred because of the brown skinned brotherhood of the down trodden.

Thing is - the Chinese don't actually have brown skins. Neither do hundreds of millions of Muslims. The Muslims are playing nice with the Chinese because they're afraid of them, and because the Chinese are supplying them with ballistic missiles and nukes on the sly, through North Korea. Even so, it's a balancing act - many of the Muslim states on China's borders have hosted Uighur guerrillas who infiltrate back across the border. The reality, though, is that China's Muslim guerrillas are typically Caucasoid in appearance - since Uighurs are basically Turks - so terrorists stick out like a sore thumb among a pretty racially homogeneous population. Combine this with the fact that China executes separatists just for voicing their opinions, and you have the reason why China doesn't have a terrorist problem. Repression works, if combined with sufficient willpower - note that Saddam had no problem keeping his job for over 30 years. And it's got nothing to do with rex's imagined brown solidarity (given that the Chinese are yellow, not brown, in appearance).

Posted by Zhang Fei 2004-08-21 2:44:19 AM|| [http://www.polipundit.com] 2004-08-21 2:44:19 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Brown, yellow, whatever the color it's not white ergo brotherhood.

Posted by rex 2004-08-21 2:50:58 AM|| 2004-08-21 2:50:58 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Also, though China may not have tolerance for Islamic high-jinx within its own borders, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Posted by rex 2004-08-21 2:55:22 AM|| 2004-08-21 2:55:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Islam will be in for a big surprise if Muslim terrorists ever try to pull a 9-11 style atrocity on Chinese soil. The politburo would not hesitate to glass over a Middle East country in response. All this "people of color" brotherhood nonsense would vanish in a ~~New York~~ Beijing minute.

Posted by Zenster 2004-08-21 3:03:34 AM|| 2004-08-21 3:03:34 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 Islam will be in for a big surprise if Muslim terrorists ever try to pull a 9-11 style atrocity on Chinese soil
It would be a pity if Islam were erroneously blamed for an unfortunate "eventuality" that occurred in China.

Posted by rex 2004-08-21 3:24:39 AM|| 2004-08-21 3:24:39 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 Gosh, you mean Islam's longstanding reputation for thuggery and mayhem might come back to take a pound or two of hamburger out of their right cheek? Stop ... stop, you're ripping my heart out! Oh, the humanity!

Posted by Zenster 2004-08-21 3:31:38 AM|| 2004-08-21 3:31:38 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 The Russians just wanted free tickets...

Posted by .com 2004-08-21 3:57:31 AM|| 2004-08-21 3:57:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 That's some moat.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-08-21 8:00:04 AM|| 2004-08-21 8:00:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 rex: Brown, yellow, whatever the color it's not white ergo brotherhood.

Rex needs to get out more often. If skin color had anything to do with any kind of solidarity, some of the most devastating wars around wouldn't have occurred among people of the same skin color. Roughly 40m people died in Europe during WWII. 20m are estimated to have died in East Asia. The vast majority in each theater were of the same skin color, fighting or being killed by people of the same skin color. If skin color was the primary determinant of solidarity, why are Arabs helping Chechens (who look like your average Central European) fight the Russians? And what is it about brown-skinned Arab Muslims attacking brown-skinned black Christians and Muslims in the Sudan? And brown-skinned Nigerian Muslims attacking brown-skinned Nigerian Christians? Just where is the solidarity? Rex is trapped in his racial and tribal conception of history, whereas conflicts throughout history have traditionally involved religious, ideological and territorial issues.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2004-08-21 11:44:30 AM|| [http://www.polipundit.com] 2004-08-21 11:44:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 Rex is trapped in his racial and tribal conception of history, whereas conflicts throughout history have traditionally involved religious, ideological and territorial issues.
I'm not trapped in anything. I am reciting to you one of the "reasons" that our enemies will join forces against us. Using color as a reason for unlikely groups to band together may not seem logical or consistent but then again you are not a Chinese communist nor an Arabic Islamofascist, who grasp at any reason to hate capitalists/infidels, whom they perceive to be of white European origin. Color is one of the stock and trade "weapons" that groups use to define their victimology propoganda and which sets them apart from the "oppressor" and joins them to fellow "oppressed" types. Of course, it makes no semse but it works when needed.

As we have seen vis-a-vis gang wars in American neighborhoods, blacks and Hispanics are often lethal rivals on the streets, but when it suits them to claim victim status in our society, they will stand together as down-trodden brethern against whitey. So puhleaze get off your civilized high horse and think like an illogical Islamofascist communist person for a change.

Posted by rex 2004-08-21 1:15:54 PM|| 2004-08-21 1:15:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Bascially an SA-10 extended range with a better phased array (planar) radar system, and better electronics. Its still not as good as the stuff the RUssians keep at home, but its a big step up from some of the older SA-2 based system the Chinese have deployed.

Basically its a theater defense missle system, for stopping Cruise missles and SRBMs that dont get going too fast on the inbound phase of flight, as well as high level penetrator bombers.

Big difference here for the Chinese is that its probably the first system they have ever had that was designed form the beginnign to interconnect with other systems, similar and dissimilar, whether local or in the next air defense zone boundary. This is a big step up for them.

Its about like the US PATRIOT missle was in the late 1980's. Given that most of our aircraft date back to that time, this could be a problem in a China vs Taiwan contest.

They will likely be deployed to defend major C3I HQ, Naval airfields and some naval bases.

Posted by OldSpook 2004-08-21 6:16:07 PM|| 2004-08-21 6:16:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 As a friend of mine once said "Ooooh Loookeee, More Targets!"

Posted by Valentine 2004-08-21 10:42:10 PM|| 2004-08-21 10:42:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Thank you for the update, OldSpook. I figured that the phased array radar and target acquisition system were the big new bells and whistles for this TMD.

Posted by Zenster 2004-08-21 11:31:54 PM|| 2004-08-21 11:31:54 PM|| Front Page Top

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