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2004-05-27 Israel-Palestine

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Posted by Zenster 2004-05-27 2:37:20 PM|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 How about, you build a wall and the paleos can find their own g*ddamn water. Assuming you can build a well with dynamite, of course.

Posted by BH 2004-05-27 3:07:46 PM|| 2004-05-27 3:07:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 There was a Palestinian woman who came to my college last semester to talk about this. Half of her presentation was on how it was all Israel's fault; took half an hour before she even got to the technical stuff. She kept referring to the "second intifada" getting in the way, and when I asked whether the Palestinians were causing their own problems, she mumbled something and quickly moved on.

Maybe Israel's worried about their water being poisoned?

Posted by The Doctor 2004-05-27 3:44:12 PM|| 2004-05-27 3:44:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 At first I wondered why Israel didn't just build the desalnization plants for their own water needs and let the Pals have the Jordan river. Then I realized the desalinization plants would be targets in that scenerio but if they provided water for the Pals the Islamofascists would be less likely to blow them up (less likely, not unlikely).

Posted by ruprecht 2004-05-27 4:03:31 PM|| [politicaljunky.blogspot.com] 2004-05-27 4:03:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Californians understand very well that water is life. The availability of water is the primary constraint on the number of inhabitants. Managing water resources in a desert requires careful planning, high technology, and self-restraint, none of which are the Palestinians capable of providing. Even if the Israelis magically disappeared and the Palestinians were able to confiscate everything the Israelis had built. Within a few years Palestine would look like Zimbabwe.

The Palestinians are artificially supported by UN provided food and money. If they had to support themselves, famine would quickly reduce their population to a level that could be supported by subsistence farming and the ever-present seething Palestinian mobs in the UN supported towns would starve. The Arab tendency to reproduce as rapidly as possible without any thought of how they can support their children is going to smash into a combination of donor fatigue and their total inability to organize anything more sophisticated than death squads. They won't be able to blow themselves up fast enough to keep the population within sustainable limits. Lack of water and lack of food just might do what the IDF chooses not to.

Posted by RWV 2004-05-27 4:17:10 PM|| 2004-05-27 4:17:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 I do not like it. Here is the money quote:

"The plant will be funded by the world for the Palestinians. Israel will not be willing to carry this burden, and the Palestinians are not able to." But other leading hydrologists contacted by New Scientist point out that desalinating seawater and pumping it to the West Bank, parts of which lie 1000 metres above sea level, would cost around $1 per cubic metre.

1. The world funding this means the US. The hell with that. We have enough obligations and burdens. The answer is NO.

2. According to the New Scientist figure of $1/cu metre, he cost of water is about $0.0038/gallon, delivered. I cannot believe this figure. The Municipality of Anchorage, Alaska has a residential rate that comes out to about $0.005/gallon delivered, or about $0.009 for water and sewer. I cannot believe that reverse osmosis treatment will be that cheap. Where will they get the cheap energy to run the plant and the pumps.

The real cost of this will be from 2 to 10 times the "advertized" cost. And dealing with the Paleos and how well they keep their word is another part of the equation. I would not touch this with a 10 ft pole, and I certainly would not want our government involved with our tax money. We better watch appropriation bills in congress so we do not wake up some day with a sore fiscal behind, so to speak.

Frank G., fellow CE, what is the cost of water for a residence in San Diego?

Posted by Alaska Paul 2004-05-27 4:48:34 PM|| 2004-05-27 4:48:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 I attended the same seminar with the Doctor- he came in prejudiced from the get-go and was too busy point out the flaws in a couple sentences to grasp her whole picture. The information here is solid- however, I interpret it differently. Some things that are wrong have been done to the Palestinians, such as a reduction of their water supply below recommended international water consumption levels, and the dumping of toxic waste on the "Palestinian" soil (ie, the little corner of Israel the Palestinians have been shoved into).
Something should be done to allow the Palestinians a decent water supply, regardless of their terrorist actions. A lot of you who post on this website feel that terrorists have forfeited their human rights as a result of their homicidal, genocidal, and indecent actions. They, likewise, believe that you have forfeited your human rights by not converting to Islam.
It's easy to wish death on a whole culture because (whether or not it is a majority)-some wish to kill you and your children. Wishing to kill them, their children, and their entire culture serves no purpose. Combat evil- but you don't have to make your hatred twist you the same way that it has twisted them.

Posted by Curious 2004-05-27 7:05:55 PM|| 2004-05-27 7:05:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 about $60 a month in San Diego, which gets our supply imported from the Colorado River (heavy on dissolved solids BTW - I invest in LimeAway for the faucet heads)

Posted by Frank G 2004-05-27 7:34:11 PM|| 2004-05-27 7:34:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 The money quote seems to be - Under the Oslo agreement they have access to 57 cubic metres of water per person per year from all sources.

So Israel is sticking to an agreement and the Paleos don't want to. Hardly news! BTW, the New Scientist has pulled the article. I assume becuase this is just a politicized hatchet job.

Posted by Phil B 2004-05-27 8:04:26 PM|| 2004-05-27 8:04:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 The USD1 per cubic meter delivered seems about right.

Tampa Bay is building the world's largest membrane-based desalination plant, to be ready by the end of this year. It promises water costing just US$1.75 per thousand gallons, or 39 US cents per cubic metre.

Posted by Phil B 2004-05-27 8:29:14 PM|| 2004-05-27 8:29:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 A lot of you who post on this website feel that terrorists have forfeited their human rights as a result of their homicidal, genocidal, and indecent actions.
Uh, yeah, they have. That, and the creed that they live by, that we will convert or die. They've made it into a life-or-death struggle: freedom and reason and science versus the cruel, stagnant, twisted legacy of a seventh-century madman. We don't wish the Palestinians themselves any harm, just the bastards who do the killing. And yet, there seem to be an awful lot of them who want to kill us. It's hard sometimes to figure out which ones are the enemy, you know?

As for that lecture, if you remember it the same way I do, then you will recall that I did make the effort to put that aside - but then she talked for half an hour about how the entire thing was Israel's fault. The information itself is solid, yes, but it's the way they interpret it that's the problem. They're not talking about working with Israel - they're just staying the whole thing is the Jews's fault. Fact is, that intifada has devastated the land that would have been given to a Palestinian state. The Palestinians started it. Yes, the Israelis have done a lot of well-known demolitions, but that's a far cry from the bombing campaigns we saw in, for example, World War II. Israel could be doing a lot worse. And while we're on the subject, no doubt the Germans complained when Berlin was bombed - but then again, they'd started the war, hadn't they? As horrible as that may have been, they brought it on themselves, and the world didn't have much sympathy for the men who did it - though in the case of the Palestinians, those leaders are called "martyrs," and their deaths are mourned and the assassinations themselves condemned. Yet these men are, if anything, more perverted and twisted than Hitler ever was. But I digress. Remember that after WWII was over, we helped Germany rebuild. I don't doubt that we'd be happy to do the same thing here - but only if they let us.

And it was said here perfectly the other day - by Virginian, I think, that there is no moral equivalence in the case of us judging their actions versus them judging us for not converting. He said apostasy is not a threat to life, it is a threat only to belief. A set of beliefs of itself cannot kill anyone. I'm taking it a bit out of context here, but it still works. Theirs is a threat to life. Ours is simply a choice that they don't agree with. The two situations simply cannot be compared.

Posted by The Doctor 2004-05-27 9:47:50 PM|| 2004-05-27 9:47:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Combat evil- but you don't have to make your hatred twist you the same way that it has twisted them.

Curious, one of my pet dislikes is people who ascribe their motivations to me and the Left is particularly prone to this. When I advocate killing Arabs which I occasionally do, it is not because I hate them - as some of you realize I find their irrational lunacy hilariously funny a lot of the time - it is an entirely rational solution to a problem. To me it's like culling crows when they become to much of a nuisance.

Posted by Phil B 2004-05-27 10:08:19 PM|| 2004-05-27 10:08:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 The Palestinians are a ruined people. Rather than coexist with the Israelis, they fled. The Israelis have paid for their land both in dollars and in blood, wars in 48, 56, 67, and 73. The Palestinians have no more right to Israel than Christians do to Constantinople and all the other lands conquered during the flood tide of Islam. They have been kept in camps for over 50 years because none of their arab brothers will take them in. Generations of enforced idleness, subsidized by the UN, have rendered them incapable of supporting themselves. Education built around the Koran has rendered them incapable of bettering themselves. Right now they exist dependent upon the kindness of strangers. Beggars should be more polite.

Posted by RWV 2004-05-27 11:37:11 PM|| 2004-05-27 11:37:11 PM|| Front Page Top

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