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2004-05-26 Home Front: Culture Wars

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Posted by tipper 2004-05-26 00:38|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 "That's why I came to Berkeley -- because of its strong romantic aura of the Free Speech Movement and Mario Savio," he recalls. "Then I got here and discovered that that light seems to have been extinguished. You have this vitriol. You feel it everywhere. Berkeley is now the epicenter of real hatred."

How true... and most of the hatred is from the Professors themselves.

Do you know what it's like to be on a bus, and to see that bus blow up and see heads roll down the street?" the older man shouted, arms wild at his sides. "I've seen it -- in Israel."

The sign-bearer stood firm. "Well, they should have been killed," he yelled, his voice rising. "They should have been killed! They should have been killed because it wasn't their land! They should have been killed and it should have been more."

"You don't know history," the older man yelled. "You don't know anything."

The protester gave as good as he got: "You can leave. Get your ass out of here and back to Israel."

So much for free speech. Oh I forgot that only applies to the left, sorry.

Posted by CrazyFool 2004-05-26 1:02:57 AM|| 2004-05-26 1:02:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 My son goes to Stanford, and spends time over at the Berserk-ly campus. He says it is really quite funny. All those self-agrandizing, pompous "intellectuals" pontificating about any and everything...most of which they no experience with.

They hate anything that even hints of conservatism. They rail about diversity and free speech but scream down those who disagree.

Like Savage says, "Libralism is a mental disease."

Posted by anymouse 2004-05-26 1:26:27 AM|| 2004-05-26 1:26:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Let's Make a Deal...

Door #1
Door #2
Door #3

Posted by .com 2004-05-26 2:07:55 AM|| 2004-05-26 2:07:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 He remembers pro-Palestinian protesters insisting that Israeli border crossings are as bad as Nazi death camps. - aren't the camps controlled by the UN?

Posted by Super Hose 2004-05-26 3:15:18 AM|| 2004-05-26 3:15:18 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Re the first comment: Let me get this straight. Israelis should be killed because they don't belong there. Yet, the Jew who objects to the slaughter of Israelis is told to "go back to Israel."

Okay remind me again about the compassion and intelligence of the left?

Posted by Anon 2004-05-26 3:31:55 AM|| 2004-05-26 3:31:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Reading about all these nutcases brings bad flashbacks of my UC Berkeley times, '66 through '70. I got an excellent education there in civil engineering, but I would not sent my children there any more. It's a sick place.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2004-05-26 8:31:40 AM|| 2004-05-26 8:31:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 If they could hear a bus explode on their campus and see how real life is. They're reality is a world of liberal peer pressure and book only experiences.

Posted by Anonymous5005 2004-05-26 8:36:18 AM|| 2004-05-26 8:36:18 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 ima miss going berkely greek theater for primus concerts. good acoustics and fun crowd. :p

.com im choose door 2.

Posted by muck4doo 2004-05-26 8:38:21 AM|| [http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/] 2004-05-26 8:38:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 The death spiral of the political left continues, nothing new to see here.

Posted by AzCat 2004-05-26 8:59:17 AM|| 2004-05-26 8:59:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 make them pay - don't hire Berkely grads

Posted by Frank G 2004-05-26 10:23:00 AM|| 2004-05-26 10:23:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Absolutely disgusting. I got to the bottom of the first page and couldn't read any more.

Sadly, I've seen similar - but far, far less emotionally charged and obnoxious - things at my own college. Just a few months ago, there was some sort of tenting on the front lawn of the campus center, supposedly to protest Palestinian refugee camps or something. A couple of my friends and I stood there with signs protesting the slaughter of Christians and the terrorism conducted against Israel.

Damn leftist bastards. We should offer them all a one-way trip to Palestine, let them get blown up and run over. I'm usually pretty tolerant of the other guy, but these idiots exhausted any patience I had long ago.

Posted by The Doctor 2004-05-26 10:53:35 AM|| 2004-05-26 10:53:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 Frank G, I have to disagree with your statement. My wife was born in Germany and grew up in the SF Bay Area. She went to Berkeley, got a degree in Environmental Resource Studies (minor in partying). She voted for Nader in 2000. Sept 11. Now she's got a picture of Reagan and Bush up in our house and she's more hawkish than I am.

People can learn.

Posted by ruprecht 2004-05-26 11:09:12 AM|| [politicaljunky.blogspot.com] 2004-05-26 11:09:12 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 Can't they bring one of those bombed out buses to Berkley and let the little facists see that facts for themselves? Doc, halfway through the first page I wanted drive over to Berkley (an hour away) and pound the first 'activists' I found. My kids will not be attending Berkley.

Posted by Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) 2004-05-26 11:16:20 AM|| 2004-05-26 11:16:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 All:
Well, own a home in Richmond (CA) which is very close to Berkeley, so I have had a lot of experience with people like the ones mentioned in this article. I have a few observations to make. First, it's not the older hippies (50+) or the younger kids (22-) that seem to be filled with most of the hatred/rage. It's the 25-45 crowd who really seems to have their hate groove on in that town. I'm not sure why but those who came into adulthood in the 70's and 80's just seem to be pushier.

Secondly, Berkeley is a place of disillusionment where the most misfit of Americans go to hide from the real world. It's a town of loosers and lunatics. Even people in San Francisco think that Berkeleyites are out to lunch.... and I want all of you to think about that for a few moments.

muck4doo:
You're right, the Greek theater is pretty nice. I went there to see the Gypse Kings a few years ago. Good crowd, mainly Mexicans and Brazilians from the South Bay, very well behaved.

Posted by Secret Master 2004-05-26 11:18:14 AM|| [www.budgetwarrior.com] 2004-05-26 11:18:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 Can't they bring one of those bombed out buses to Berkley and let the little facists see that facts for themselves?

That wouldn't do a damned thing. The response to such a display would be the typical excuses containing references to Zionists, occupation, and oppression, and not necessarily in that order.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-05-26 11:40:37 AM|| 2004-05-26 11:40:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 B-a-R, I think you're right. Saddest thing is, they think they know it all, when the truth is, most of the people in that age bracket don't know much of anything. I realize that technically I fall into that category, but then again, I come here . . .

CS, difference between the 'activists' and normal Americans is that they wouldn't think twice about pounding us in the name of "free speech" and "pluralism" and such. And they have the nerve to claim that "Bushitler" and Ashcroft want to curtail their freedoms. (For reasons I cannot put into words, Ashcroft has always reminded me of Herbert Lom's Inspector Dreyfus from the Pink Panther movies, which makes their accusation all the funnier.)

Posted by The Doctor 2004-05-26 11:52:38 AM|| 2004-05-26 11:52:38 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 secret master im could not agree more. greek theater my favorite place in bay area for concerts. primus usualy play there evry new years eve. one time im even in one of they videos they film there. the song is dmv and at one point it look out over all the audience. im one of the peples that have a black shirt and dark hair. i seen primus other places like shoreline but it not just a primus concert unless it in berkely. i miss hanging out telegraph ave before the show.

Posted by muck4doo 2004-05-26 12:29:03 PM|| [http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/] 2004-05-26 12:29:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Never really got in to Primus? They opened for Rush on the Presto tour and I didn't make a connection. Then Wild Stlyns blew them off the stage at the San Demos battle of the bands.

Posted by ruprecht 2004-05-26 1:06:42 PM|| [politicaljunky.blogspot.com] 2004-05-26 1:06:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Re the first comment: Let me get this straight. Israelis should be killed because they don't belong there. Yet, the Jew who objects to the slaughter of Israelis is told to "go back to Israel."

There's no inconsistency there at all, once you realize those making the statements want all the Jews dead.

It's a bit scary to see the Left trying to decide whether its inspiration lies in Das Kapital or Mein Kampf.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-05-26 1:14:23 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2004-05-26 1:14:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Secret Master, I work in Point Richmond and there are plenty of softies here too, although nothing like Berkeley. Marin, well that is another story.

The end of this article was pretty chilling. These guys really want to establish an Islamic state here. Well, if they start the revolution, they will be rounded up and jailed or killed.

Too bad that the heat on both sides eliminates the possibility for discussion. That seems to be the way of things these days regardless of the issue. All signs point to more conflict, not less.

Posted by remote man 2004-05-26 1:20:45 PM|| 2004-05-26 1:20:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Robert - This is what I was trying to say to 'Conspiricy the other day. Left and Right are passe terminology. At the far ends they are the SAME thing. Which is better, A fascist bullet or a communist one? Those who push for totalitarianism, of any stripe, are the enemy. They've all got their ideology, which they use as justification of their crimes. None is any holier than the other. In fact the ideologies are interchangable, as long as there's some form of power elite shepherding the unwashed masses. Your take on Berleley correctly shows it for what it is.

Posted by scott 2004-05-26 1:55:10 PM|| 2004-05-26 1:55:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 By April of 2001, Students for Justice in Palestine had become large enough to stage a high-profile sit-in at UC's Wheeler Hall. The group had demanded that the regents divest from companies with significant holdings in Israel. When the regents failed to respond, dozens of group members chained shut nine of the building's twelve doors. They formed human chains to block two of the remaining doors and ushered students out of the building through the last door.

What an opportunity wasted! All chained together, and unable to defend themselves...

Bat? What bat?... Oh, that. It's a, a...walking stick! Yeah, that's the ticket...

Posted by mojo 2004-05-26 3:09:38 PM|| 2004-05-26 3:09:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 The People's Republic of Berkley has declared a collectivization of all land, and will immediately begin construtcion of a 12 foot wall around the city limits, guarded by mine fields to prevent capitalist contamiation of the free citizens of the People's Republic.

{Cue "Internationale"}

Posted by BigEd 2004-05-26 7:46:41 PM|| 2004-05-26 7:46:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 Big Ed:
Naw, that's the funny part. Berkeley is one giant psuedo-Marxist shopping mall. It's like some kind of wierd transvestive capitalism all gussied up to be something other than what it is.... but nobody's fooled.

Posted by Secret Master 2004-05-26 11:59:24 PM|| 2004-05-26 11:59:24 PM|| Front Page Top

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