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2006-11-21 Africa Subsaharan

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Posted by anonymous5089 2006-11-21 12:37|| || Front Page|| [11129 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 "....Speaking on Monday, the Iranian leader described Mugabe as a prominent, influential and just leader, a person who loves freedom, a freedom fighter, the Herald said.

"We do not condone US and British hegemony. We have good cooperation to do away with this control," Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying before a state banquet hosted in Mugabe's honour."

Mugabe has no honour. He is a terrorist on Chinese money. And freedom fighter? Dont even try to make me laugh, when I was taken from a party in the back of an army lorry, with about 200 other people. (Personal, I know).

What I mean to say is, the West lost interest at a pivotal point in the Rhodesian war, and went for a political scenario, and Lost that One too. What a fucking laugh that was. The war there was almost won, but bets were hedged, a la Thatcher, Kissinger and pulling out of SA.

All signs from then on said we were going to roll over in a PC world.

Posted by rhodesiafever 2006-11-21 13:46|| 2006-11-21 13:46|| Front Page Top

#2 True, the West - and more precisely, european whites -, has been chased out of africa (and pretty much everywhere else), and are now under siege in their heartlands... a great reflux of european civilization that started with decolonization, which I understand from a nationalist point of view (though this was horribly done, as it left the field open for marxism), but went on to include TRUE "african-european" countries, like french Algeria, Rhodesia, South Africa...

Ethnic and racial cleasing, pure and simple, sanctioned by the Forces of Progress.

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-11-21 13:58|| 2006-11-21 13:58|| Front Page Top

#3 Thank you A5089, thought I was on my own here for a while.

Posted by rhodesiafever 2006-11-21 14:10|| 2006-11-21 14:10|| Front Page Top

#4 But Mugabe -- who proudly describes Iran as a great friend -- dismissed the accusation, saying that "only God can judge".

"The West" could have turned Southern Africa into a garden if it wanted to and deflected communism in that part of the world. That never was, and is not happening.

Isn't it about time his own people judged him?

Posted by Phomose Snineting4674 2006-11-21 14:20|| 2006-11-21 14:20|| Front Page Top

#5 A5089 and RF: remind me the proportion of Rhodesians who were of European origin. I'm guessing it wasn't even 10%.

The old Rhodesia denied 90%+ of the population their intrinsic human rights. That's simply not acceptable.

The new Zimbabwe is doing the same thing (new boss, different color but same attitude as the old boss), and it's equally unacceptable. It may be that Zimbabwe has to split into tribal regions to survive since the two major tribes can't get along.

But pining for the old days when the Euros ruled the place isn't going to work. And if you reply that the old Rhodesia worked pretty well, my answers are 1) for who? and 2) how 'bout that Belgian Congo, eh?

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2006-11-21 14:29|| 2006-11-21 14:29|| Front Page Top

#6 Belgian Congo was a nightmare, I agree, an actual hidden genocide for the sole benefit of the belgian crown... but what bugs me is that first generation third world migrants in Europe are to be granted all rights, citizenship, free healthcare, education,... for ever and for all eternity, even illegals just granted amnisty... whereas whites who have been living for generations, born and raised, in africa are colonists per nature and have to reliquish the power to the countries they've created from scratches.
All this to give the keys to commies bent on racial revenge.

I'm not longing for colonialism, each people has a right to live free, but white europeans were NATIVES too, it's a real injustice for them to be ousted.

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-11-21 14:43|| 2006-11-21 14:43|| Front Page Top

#7 Well, Steve, as a third generation white african, it sucks to see my "land" given up by the West for PC B-S; and there were a lot of BLACK rhodesians, (not in your 10%), who were sold out too. It's no good saying it's the same Boss. That just dont cut it.

Ok, your figure of 10% ratio is about right, for race, ca 1970, back it up with the starving figures today compared to back then.

I don't live in yesterday, although all that is happening in Zimbabwe was well predicted, and a foretaste of what has followed when PC B-S tells your enemy you have rolled over.

Posted by rhodesiafever 2006-11-21 15:47|| 2006-11-21 15:47|| Front Page Top

#8 If it's equally unacceptable why have Britain and the US not stepped in to topple Mugabe? My answer: because they originally said to him (Mugabe) who was originally seen as an unlikely candidate for presidency; "Are you a nice chap? Do you want a country?" in a desperate bid to rid themselves of the niggling Rhodesia issue. I agree with anonymous that the long term ripple effect is the mass migration of (legal/illegal) immigrants into Europe. The Rhodesians fought against terrorism and the same will happen in Europe and America, but by the time this takes place on a large scale, it will be their own 'citizens' that will attack.

Posted by Phomose Snineting4674 2006-11-21 15:52|| 2006-11-21 15:52|| Front Page Top

#9 I'll diverge a bit from the developing thread to focus on one particular point...

Seeing as how stepping in and trying to save a population that isn't interested in saving itself is proving to be a very bad bet, I'd like to propose that everyone flush the BS of the US being the World's Police. That was a two or three joke movie. Oh okay, make that a four joke flic: Fuck Yeah!

Posted by .com 2006-11-21 16:32|| 2006-11-21 16:32|| Front Page Top

#10 strategic interests should guide our intervention. In some cases, I would even offer that humanitarian interests could be strategic - for us - because of who we are. The downside is intervening before the sides have worn each other down and trying to enforce peace. Peacekeeping is not as good as peacemaking...by destroying the insurrectionists and combatants, wholescale

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-11-21 16:57|| 2006-11-21 16:57|| Front Page Top

#11 To get back to the article Zimbabwe sees kindred spirit in Iran...hold on one second i can't breathe i'm laughing so hard. The joke is still on the rest of the world though as Mugabe sits rubbing his hands together chuckling with glee.

Posted by Phomose Snineting4674 2006-11-21 17:25|| 2006-11-21 17:25|| Front Page Top

#12 But pining for the old days when the Euros ruled the place isn't going to work.

True, Steve. But you can look forward to the future, when the Chinese will.

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