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2011-10-14 -Signs, Portents, and the Weather-

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Posted by lotp 2011-10-14 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11126 views ] Top

#1 Still trying to blame CO2.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2011-10-14 00:11|| 2011-10-14 00:11|| Front Page Top

#2 DOn't believe all that stuff; in fact Chris was one of the world's first greenies; he practiced amazing fuel economy methods. Everybody knows he crossed the entire ocean on just 3 galeions.....

Posted by USN, Ret. 2011-10-14 00:37|| 2011-10-14 00:37|| Front Page Top

#3 Yes, but with Christopher's help, and the blue pill, we now have 'the fountain of youth'.

Posted by Skidmark 2011-10-14 00:47|| 2011-10-14 00:47|| Front Page Top

#4 Seeing as an extra 300 ppm CO2 is meant to cause a 3 deg C warming according to the IPCC "consensus", 6 to 10 ppm decrease should cause around 0.06 to 0.1 deg C cooling. Maybe a little more but not enough to explain the Little Ice Age. The guy is a dipshit. Wonderful who can claim to be a professional "scientist" nowadays.

Posted by Aussie Mike 2011-10-14 04:58|| 2011-10-14 04:58|| Front Page Top

#5 Mike! You're supposed to embrace the concept and leave the math to the professionals!

Posted by Bobby 2011-10-14 06:20|| 2011-10-14 06:20|| Front Page Top

#6 I thought the sun had a Maunder Minimum at the time, or something like that?

Posted by trailing wife 2011-10-14 07:19|| 2011-10-14 07:19|| Front Page Top

#7 Okay, the LIA started about 1350 about 150 yrs before Columbus sailed. The number of people that came to the new world prior to the 19th century was in the hundreds.

The 40-80 million burning trees are all the "native Americans" that predate the Euros so the LIA is all their fault.

Dipshit ain't the half of it.

Posted by AlanC 2011-10-14 07:39|| 2011-10-14 07:39|| Front Page Top

#8 What about the massive amount if DEforestation which occured in North America?

Posted by CrazyFool 2011-10-14 08:10|| 2011-10-14 08:10|| Front Page Top

#9 CrazyFool, the observation is that the native peoples deforested, but when the pandemics hit much of that land reverted to vegetation again. Another deforestation came later as the european settlers spread west.

The Maunder Minimum hit over a century later than Columbus. It kicked off the depths of the Little Ice Age, but didn't start it. As I remember the data, Nevle is correct that there is a significant downturn during the 16th century that correlates with the rapid spread of pandemics in north America.

Aussie Mike, did you read the whole article? We don't have the full journal paper to analyze yet, but I don't think your back of the envelope calculations prove much. For one thing, the effect of CO2 is not symmetrically linear at the gross level - cooler land accelerates in cooling as the amount of snow/ice increases and winters last longer, thereby reflecting solar energy out into space through an atmosphere with less CO2 to trap it.

Posted by lotp 2011-10-14 09:35|| 2011-10-14 09:35|| Front Page Top

#10 There has been massive reforestation across the rural areas of the eastern US since the 1930's as small farms were abandoned. Of course it has been more than offset by deforestation in the tropics.
How much land was kept cleared of trees by Indian farmers? I thought the practice was one of clear, farm, move on, since fertilizers were limited.
The Maunder Minimum may have been at fault - the miscorellation in time due to those pesky faster-than-the-speed-of-light particles we've been reading about...

Posted by Glenmore 2011-10-14 10:04|| 2011-10-14 10:04|| Front Page Top

#11 So the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska_event
made what influence in world climate?

Posted by Chomosing Hupimp6046 2011-10-14 10:24|| 2011-10-14 10:24|| Front Page Top

#12 USN, Ret. - Go to your room.

Posted by Pappy 2011-10-14 10:25|| 2011-10-14 10:25|| Front Page Top

#13 I always thought it was Bush'es fault.

(Either that or the (cue sinister music) evil Kosh Brothers.)

Posted by CrazyFool 2011-10-14 11:59|| 2011-10-14 11:59|| Front Page Top

#14 But-but-but (Hockey Stick) Mann, et al., said ~~Hide the decline!~~ there wasn't a Little Ice Age.

I'm so confused....

Posted by Barbara 2011-10-14 14:47|| 2011-10-14 14:47|| Front Page Top

#15 A beautifully crafted satirical article from the Onion...err, it's from the Onion, isn't it?

Posted by tipper 2011-10-14 18:42|| 2011-10-14 18:42|| Front Page Top

#16 OOOOOOOOOO, you just know ole' Chris wiped out the NORAM Mammoth/Mastodon, sabre-tooths, giant antelopes, etc. + caused Bigfoot!

Posted by JosephMendiola 2011-10-14 20:35|| 2011-10-14 20:35|| Front Page Top

#17 A question: isn't the CO2 level a lagging rather than leading indicator of climate change?

lotp, thank you for your useful summary.

Posted by trailing wife 2011-10-14 20:45|| 2011-10-14 20:45|| Front Page Top

#18 I will take it on advisement since there wasn't even a reproducible temperature scale until Fahrenheit in 1724.

Posted by Eohippus Phater7165 2011-10-14 20:54|| 2011-10-14 20:54|| Front Page Top

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