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2004-10-01 Down Under

Australia would be "crazy" to approve Kyoto - govt

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Posted by Mark Espinola 2004-10-01 3:44:28 AM|| || Front Page|| [11130 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Kerry slipped in a Kyoto jab last night. Bush should have torn his throat out, but Bush was too busy staying on topic. Did Kerry vote to ratify Kyoto? Who else is on that short list of morons out of 100 senators?

Posted by Tom 2004-10-01 8:00:35 AM|| 2004-10-01 8:00:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Kerry doesn't care if he wrecks our economy or our national defence. Just like the opposition in Australia. International liberal socialism is more than nations or people. The "little people" (thats us) are to stupid to understand that.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-10-01 8:07:31 AM|| [http://www.slhess.com] 2004-10-01 8:07:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Kyoto is on Shikoku Island... A super duper big one in 2-5 years. Kyoto will be gone. Just wait it out and then one can say: "Whadda heck ya' talkin' 'bout? There's no Kyoto!

Posted by Conanista 2004-10-01 8:08:21 AM|| 2004-10-01 8:08:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 The only senate vote for Kyoto was in 1995. It was 95-0 against. No idea iffin Kerry voted.

Posted by badanov 2004-10-01 8:30:20 AM|| [http://www.rkka.org] 2004-10-01 8:30:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Well seeing how he rarely shows up for work a good guess would be no he didn't.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-10-01 8:31:56 AM|| [http://www.slhess.com] 2004-10-01 8:31:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Well duh! That makes three countries that pretty much rejected Kyoto (Russia, US, and Australia). Seems to me that President Bush had the right direction al along and it's Kerry that is WRONG WRONG WRONG!

Posted by Cyber Sarge 2004-10-01 10:54:24 AM|| 2004-10-01 10:54:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Very good, badanov. You are correct. But SPoD has guessed incorrectly:

"Many news stories in 1997 referred to Kerry's support of Kyoto, undeterred by the Massachusetts senator's vote with 94 other senators [in 1995] for a resolution that directed President Clinton to not agree to a global warming pact that exempted developing nations. (Veep Al Gore ignored the Senate and agreed to a pact that exempts China, India and other developing nations from any pollution caps, while requiring the United States to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to 7 percent below 1990 levels by 2012.)"
Source.

Kerry and the Senate voted against Kyoto in 1995, 95-0, and now he tries to club Bush with it.

Posted by Tom 2004-10-01 12:25:02 PM|| 2004-10-01 12:25:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Could the Kyoto Protocols also be known as "The Protocols of the Elders of the Econutballs"?

Posted by eLarson 2004-10-01 2:41:54 PM|| [http://larsonian.blogspot.com] 2004-10-01 2:41:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 The Money Quote from MacFarlaine:

"Until there is a system including all countries aimed at reducing greenhouse gas emissions, not simply allowing people to trade away their sins by buying carbon credits or selling their emissions, then really the whole Kyoto system is flawed."

He has it dead-on right! You improve the situation by raising everyone's standards, including developing nations. That way, everyone wins and you do it the right way from the git go in the developing nations. The Kyoto Treaty as it is is just a smoke and mirrors scheme that accomplishes little.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2004-10-01 7:27:16 PM|| 2004-10-01 7:27:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Putin's move makes a lot of sense. After all Russia's emission limit was calculated on what they produced in... 1990.

Since their economy has slumped so much ever since, they will actually make huge profits with Kyoto... selling emission shares worth up to 22bn dollars. Should Russia reach the limits of 1990 again (which could happen in 2012) they can team up with Germany to work on joint emission reduction. The Germans (leading the field in that technology) would gain emission certificates by modernizing the Russian industry... and Russia sanitizes communities.

And Putin probably gains access to WTO by signing Kyoto. Plus diverts criticism on his increasing authoritarian way of running Russia.

Posted by True German Ally 2004-10-01 7:40:30 PM|| 2004-10-01 7:40:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 So, TGA, Russia has a money making scheme with Kyoto and the EU and other industrialized ~~suckers~~ nations pay the bill for Russia's economic development. Hell of a deal if you are Russia.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2004-10-01 8:04:18 PM|| 2004-10-01 8:04:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 AP, Kyoto has degenerated into exactly that. I'm all for emission reduction and we should actively push for that. But the way Kyoto goes about it will not work.

If you want to make this work, devise a bonus scheme for every country that produces less emissions than the year before... encourage modernizing of industries.

Kyoto right now is just a big dirty air bazaar.

Posted by True German Ally 2004-10-01 8:09:42 PM|| 2004-10-01 8:09:42 PM|| Front Page Top

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