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2006-07-28 Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Israeli Intel ups estimate of Zelzal missiles
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Posted by Steve 2006-07-28 09:19|| || Front Page|| [11129 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Badanov, which FROG is this?
600 kilo payload
?
Posted by 6 2006-07-28 10:12||   2006-07-28 10:12|| Front Page Top

#2 Fox just reported they fired a new missile, a Khaibar-1, and hit a city south of Haifa...
Posted by Whuck Shomomp2251 2006-07-28 10:28||   2006-07-28 10:28|| Front Page Top

#3 It's not listed at the GlobalSecurity site. Perhaps it has just been renamed by the Hezbollah terrs and is either a Naze'at (FROG variants), Mushak, or Zelzal.

The city Hezbollah claims to have hit is Afoula. Fox is now not actually confirming the missile or the hit, contrary to the first reports.

Maybe it's just BS - sorry.
Posted by Whuck Shomomp2251 2006-07-28 10:39||   2006-07-28 10:39|| Front Page Top

#4 If Hezb is going to use them, they will try to fire a big volley beginning in a few hours to coincide with the jewish sabbath.

It would be a real shame if they accidentally hit a mosque by mistake.
Posted by mhw 2006-07-28 11:04|| http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/]">[http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/]  2006-07-28 11:04|| Front Page Top

#5 Perhaps it has just been renamed by the Hezbollah terrs and is either a Naze'at (FROG variants), Mushak, or Zelzal.

Think you're right, Whuck

Hezbollah announced it used a new rocket, the Khaibar-1 – named after a famed battle between Islam’s prophet Muhammad and Jewish tribes in the Arabian peninsula – to strike at the Israeli town of Afula, its deepest yet into Israel.

Just slapped a new name on an old missile
Posted by Steve">Steve  2006-07-28 11:49||   2006-07-28 11:49|| Front Page Top

#6 pants down
Posted by Clerert Uneamp2772 2006-07-28 12:01||   2006-07-28 12:01|| Front Page Top

#7 In the time of Muhammad, Khaibar was a fertile oasis in the Arabian desert. It was populated by Jews, who maintained its irrigation systems and lived off its produce. When Muhammad conquered the oasis in 628, the Jews who lived there managed to negotiate a surrender. The conditions of their surrender were that some of them could remain to tend the date palms and gardens, but in return they had to pay 50% of their harvest to the Muslims. The land itself would henceforth belong to the Muslim community. The Jews of Khaibar were also granted permission to keep practising their faith. Soon after, the Arab Christians of Najran were forced to accept the same conditions.

The right of the Jews of Khaibar to stay on their former lands was a temporary concession, withdrawn in 640 by Umar, in obedience to Muhammad’s dying wish: ‘Two religions shall not remain together in the peninsula of the Arabs’. In this same year the whole of Arabia was cleansed of non-Muslims.

from: http://answering-islam.org.uk/Terrorism/khaibar.html
Posted by mhw 2006-07-28 12:20|| http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/]">[http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/]  2006-07-28 12:20|| Front Page Top

#8 To the mili-techies:

Wouldn't Patriot missiles stand a better chance of intercepting these longer range missiles?
Posted by PlanetDan">PlanetDan  2006-07-28 12:23||   2006-07-28 12:23|| Front Page Top

#9 yes.
Posted by anymouse">anymouse  2006-07-28 13:07||   2006-07-28 13:07|| Front Page Top

#10 The larger missiles could be hit, this appears to be just a bigger rocket:

Last month, the London Sunday Times reported that Iran has deployed Zelzal-2 "ballistic missiles" in Lebanon, capable of "carrying half a ton of chemical or conventional warheads as far as Tel Aviv."9 However, the paper's sensationalist reporting on Mideast military topics does not have a very accurate track record, particularly when it cites unnamed defense sources.

The Zelzal-2, in any case, is not a missile, but a 610mm heavy artillery rocket with a 1323 lb (600 kg) payload and range of 130 miles (210 km). The rocket wouldn't quite be able to hit Tel Aviv unless launched from easily-detectable positions straddling the border, but would nevertheless pose an enormous threat to Israeli population centers.
Posted by Steve">Steve  2006-07-28 13:13||   2006-07-28 13:13|| Front Page Top

#11 From Wikipedia: Zelzal-2
Type short-range ballistic rocket
Range 210 km (120 miles)
Warheads one
Propulsion Solid
Guidance system none
Length 16 m
Diameter 0.61 m
Weight 3,545 kg
Payload 600 kg
Manufacturer Iran
In service 1993
States Iran

Zelzal-2 ("Earthquake-2") is a short-range ballistic rocket developed by Iran. It is apparently unguided or possessed of only a rudimentary guidance system. It is apparently an Iranian version of the Soviet Luna-M missile (NATO name: FROG-7) whose launcher is based on the MB LA-911 truck. The development program apparently began in the early 1990s.
Posted by Steve">Steve  2006-07-28 13:17||   2006-07-28 13:17|| Front Page Top

#12 pay 50% of their harvest to the Muslims
The origin of jizya.

Patriots are short range. While they can protect a base or important cities like Tel Aviv, Haifa or Jerusalem, the Israelis don't have enough to cover the whole of the opulation. Besides, from Desert Storm, it was determined the missiles did little damage, much less than the $3 million each PAC-3 missile costs. So protect strategic and economic assets like refineries and $2 billion semiconductor fabs. The rest have to take their chances. It's up to the Israeli military has to go on the offensive to destroy those missiles and retaliate against those who support or tolerate these missile attacks.
Posted by ed 2006-07-28 13:20||   2006-07-28 13:20|| Front Page Top

#13 FROG-7, thanks Steve.
Posted by 6 2006-07-28 13:53||   2006-07-28 13:53|| Front Page Top

#14 Just for information, the FROG-7 has an over-short record of about 3km, and a CEP of 2km. I'm not sure what an Iranian missile would do. It could be aimed at Tel Aviv and hit Damascus, for all I know...
Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot  2006-07-28 14:35|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]  2006-07-28 14:35|| Front Page Top

#15 " Just for information, the FROG-7 has an over-short record of about 3km, and a CEP of 2km. I'm not sure what an Iranian missile would do. It could be aimed at Tel Aviv and hit Damascus, for all I know..."

Not a chance .
Like i said in beginning i was pessimist of Israel capabilities (Will and Quality of it's Political/Military establishement upper echelons) . I mantain my judgement.

Posted by Clerert Uneamp2772 2006-07-28 14:41||   2006-07-28 14:41|| Front Page Top

#16 FROG-7

mullah-TOAD-#10
Posted by RD 2006-07-28 16:58||   2006-07-28 16:58|| Front Page Top

#17 I can't help thinking that these missiles have a RF resonate frequency that could be exploited in some way to cause internal arcing.
Posted by 3dc 2006-07-28 20:29||   2006-07-28 20:29|| Front Page Top

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