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2006-07-27 Home Front: WoT
Texas Family Looses BOTH Sons to the War on Terror
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Posted by Chomble Grolutch3348 2006-07-27 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11136 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 "The Lord bless you and keep you--the Lord make His face shine upon you, and be gracious unto you; the Lord lift up His countenance upon you, and give you peace."
Posted by anymouse">anymouse  2006-07-27 01:45||   2006-07-27 01:45|| Front Page Top

#2 Saving PVT Ryan.

Bless you and your family. It huts me too.

Jason
Posted by newc">newc  2006-07-27 02:00||   2006-07-27 02:00|| Front Page Top

#3 RIP. There is nothing quite so sad as a parent burying a child. Two children has got to be unbearable. My condolences.
Posted by Zhang Fei 2006-07-27 04:06|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com]  2006-07-27 04:06|| Front Page Top

#4 I Timothy 6:12
Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made your good confession in the presence of many witnesses.

There is nothing I can say that would make you feel better. So, I won't. My condolences.
Posted by Poison Reverse 2006-07-27 07:16||   2006-07-27 07:16|| Front Page Top

#5 Sometimes words fail. In such times, it's perhaps best to recall words already spoken by better men than I:

"I pray that our Heavenly Father may assuage the anguish of your bereavement, and leave you only the cherished memory of the loved and lost, and the solemn pride that must be yours, to have laid so costly a sacrifice upon the altar of freedom." -- Abraham Lincoln
Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-07-27 10:08||   2006-07-27 10:08|| Front Page Top

#6 God bless them, my condolences.
Posted by 49 Pan">49 Pan  2006-07-27 10:37||   2006-07-27 10:37|| Front Page Top

#7 Thank you for your great sacrifices.

Rantburgers, is it legal in Texas to shoot any protesters that show up at funerals?
Posted by JohnQC 2006-07-27 12:04||   2006-07-27 12:04|| Front Page Top

#8 JohnQC - that's why they have a right to a jury trial.
Posted by Uninert Snans5341 2006-07-27 12:41||   2006-07-27 12:41|| Front Page Top

#9 God bless the Velez family.
Posted by Xenophon 2006-07-27 13:34||   2006-07-27 13:34|| Front Page Top

#10 I add my condolences as well.

fter this it was noised abroad that Mr. Valiant-for-truth was taken with a summons by the same post as the other, and had this for a token that the summons was true, "That his pitcher was broken at the fountain." Eccl. 12:6. When he understood it, he called for his friends, and told them of it. Then said he, I am going to my Father's; and though with great difficulty I have got hither, yet now I do not repent me of all the trouble I have been at to arrive where I am. My sword I give to him that shall succeed me in my pilgrimage, and my courage and skill to him that can get it. My marks and scars I carry with me, to be a witness for me that I have fought His battles who will now be my rewarder. When the day that he must go hence was come, many accompanied him to the river-side, into which as he went, he said, "Death, where is thy sting?" And as he went down deeper, he said, "Grave, where is thy victory?" 1 Cor. 15:55. So he passed over, and all the trumpets sounded for him on the other side.
(John Bunyan, Pilgrim's Progress, Part II)
Posted by Ptah">Ptah  2006-07-27 13:54|| http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]">[http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]  2006-07-27 13:54|| Front Page Top

#11 God bless you and yours. Thank you for your sons' service to our Country. May God grant you the Peace that passes all Understanding.
Posted by BA 2006-07-27 14:14||   2006-07-27 14:14|| Front Page Top

#12 I recall a Rantburg article a little while ago about Lebanese civilian deaths from Israeli bombings. There were no shedding of tears, no sweet Bible quotes or excerpts from Pilgrim's Progress. Just people saying that they have no sympathy for the dead. Because after all, all Lebanese supporters of Hezbollah, and if they are not, then they are just casualities of war for which no sorrow is called for.

Now a man has lost his children for the War on Terror. Such outpouring of affection and condolences. Except of course, if he were to say that Bush shouldn't have gone to war in Iraq, or if people realized that he is a poor Hispanic guy who may have voted for the Democrats in the last election. Then he would deserve his fate and the tear-jerking Bible quotes would stop. He might even be a damn Mexican taking our jobs.

Ah hypocrisy. Selective humanity is always wonderful to behold.
Posted by Queeg 2006-07-27 16:12||   2006-07-27 16:12|| Front Page Top

#13 Regardless, I hope the parents of the two fallen soldiers take solace in the fact that they had two brave, heroic children.
Posted by Queeg 2006-07-27 16:26||   2006-07-27 16:26|| Front Page Top

#14 Bush=Hitler
Troll=Moron
Cliches=Boring
Thus in troll speak, BusHitler killed Jesus.
Posted by 6 2006-07-27 16:28||   2006-07-27 16:28|| Front Page Top

#15 Playing with your balls again Queeg?
Posted by 6 2006-07-27 16:29||   2006-07-27 16:29|| Front Page Top

#16 I wasn't trolling. I did have a point to make--which you don't agree with, understandably. You on the other hand, definitely are trolling, unless guessing at what I do with my hands is the best logical comeback your brain can manage.
Posted by Queeg 2006-07-27 16:33||   2006-07-27 16:33|| Front Page Top

#17 :> Good Troll!
Posted by 6 2006-07-27 17:03||   2006-07-27 17:03|| Front Page Top

#18 Queeg, dear, Israeli munitions are so selective that while the Hizb'allah neighborhoods in Beirut are being turned to rubble, the next street over -- in the Christian neighborhood, or the Sunni, or the Druze -- the discos and the pubs and the cafes are overflowing with light and music and people enjoying the lovely evenings. I think it was one of the CNN reporters that showed film of that yesterday or the day before (check Rantburg - I saw the article here). And last week there were reports from southern Lebanon of gunbattles between Shia villagers trying to escape the barrage and Hizb'allah "militants" seeking to keep them there as human shields. Oh, and the 500,000+ refugees who've fled from Lebanon to Syria -- the Syrians are resentful about rising crime and housing prices.

The only conclusion one can draw from such facts on the ground, Mr. Queeg, is that the only Lebanese civilians left to be bombed are either Hizb'allah "militants" pretending not to be, their active supporters, or their unwilling shields. Regardless, functionally they were murdered by the Hizb'allah terror organization or martyred by them... in a war that Hizb'allah started on Iran's orders.

If those are the people you choose to grieve for, then you've picked your side. There is no moral equivalence in the situation.

Oh, yes. If you want to argue about the children and infants killed, either their parents allowed by choosing to stay, or Hizb'allah caused it by trapping them there. Either way, it was Lebanese adults that chose their deaths, not Israel.
Posted by trailing wife 2006-07-27 17:14||   2006-07-27 17:14|| Front Page Top

#19 Queeg, which side are you on, Western enlightenment or Islamic darkness? Or do you fancy yourself above such trifles as defending your country, much the Lebanese did wrt Iranian sponsored Hizb'Allah taking over large tracts of territory and waging war from it? Final analysis, the Lebanese allowed cross border war to be launched from "Lebanese" territory. Now they are suffering the consequences, albeit tiny to what could be brought to bear. If the Lebs claim that the territory was not under their control, then they won't have any problems with the Israelis annexing it and bring it under control.
Posted by ed 2006-07-27 17:17||   2006-07-27 17:17|| Front Page Top

#20 Queeg, normally I try to be very cordial, even to dumbasses like you. The viseral responce you are getting from all the fine folks here at Rantburg have absolutely no problem with you discussion of the plight of the civs and the right or wrong of this war. But damnit when people are giving their respects for the dead there is no place for debate like yours! You fit in with that ass that goes to funerals to protest. If you want to spur debate go to another article and fire at will. Keep your bullshit retoric out of aricles like this!
Posted by 49 Pan 2006-07-27 17:55||   2006-07-27 17:55|| Front Page Top

#21 Probably a congregant at Westboro Baptist.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-07-27 18:40||   2006-07-27 18:40|| Front Page Top

#22 trailing wife:

My only point was that any innocent life lost must be mourned. You mentioned unwilling Lebanese being used as meatshields by the Hezbollah. Sure, it's not the Israelis fault that they die, but does that mean those people don't deserve our pity? If you read my post, you will see that that's all I meant. Even those people need the precious bible quotes, that's all. Or does getting killed helplessly just automatically make them unworthy of our prayers?

Also, I think your trust in Israeli surgical precision in their attacks is misplaced. I know of at least one Indian Hindu (can't remember the name)who was killed while working at a glssware plant in Lebanon. This happened in the first day of the Israeli bombings, so he persumably had no chance of leaving in time. Does he not deserve any sympathy?

ed:

Does my view that being selective in mourning people is hypocritical, put me on the side of Islamic darkness? Then by your logic, Islamic darkness almost seems cool, which I'm sure wasn't your intention.

49 Pan:

Me posting on a "RANT"ing website is not similar to someone desecrating a military funeral by protesting. For all your heartfelt biblethumping, the poor guy who lost his kids is very unlikely to see this article on this website anyway, so how does is it matter? Anybody can sit on their cushy ass and type a couple of lines on Rantburg showing their "solidarity" with someone who lost a loved one... and then move on to the next available porn site without skipping a beat.
Posted by Queeg 2006-07-27 19:09||   2006-07-27 19:09|| Front Page Top

#23 From this old soldiers perspective very soldier is a son, every family member a brother. So to imply that our "Solidarity" is not genuine shows you are so far off the fucking mark you come across as a fucking idiot. Clearly you missed the mark at even the lowest level here, pay attention here. Instead you resort to calling me a bible thumper, coffee alert for those that know me, and I prefer my sleeze in person so I'm not a porn surfer either, but nice try. If you care to know my passion go to www.zambokids.org. I have an ass load credit card debt and no savings trying to support these kids that number about 40% Muslim. When I first came across them they were mostly war orphans. So yes I do give a shit about the loss of life of all the kids and people that are not in the fight. The discussion as to the validity of the war is also warranted. Just not anywhere near an article where we express our sadness for a family that has experienced the horror of an experience such as this.

Where is .com when I need him???
Posted by 49 Pan 2006-07-27 19:29||   2006-07-27 19:29|| Front Page Top

#24 So to imply that our "Solidarity" is not genuine shows you are so far off the fucking mark you come across as a fucking idiot.

He's of a type: the "moral exhibitionist." For some reason, people like him feel some sort of compulsion to constantly badger other people about their alleged moral failings.

It's a form of public masturbation.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D.  2006-07-27 19:38||   2006-07-27 19:38|| Front Page Top

#25 As John Donn said (paraphrased), the death of any man diminishes my world and me. I believe that the death of any GOOD man diminishes my nation and my world. As an old soldier, I've buried many good friends - killed in combat, killed in training, killed in just plain living. It's never easy, and it's never "good", but there are times when sacrifice is needed, and good men give their "last, full measure" to secure and maintain the freedom most of us take for granted. It's now up to the rest of us to ensure that this family's sacrifice is justified, by bringing peace and freedom to those that long for it, and are willing to give their lives alongside those of our young men to bring a freedom never before experienced to their nation and their peoples. God bless all men that fight for freedom, and especially the two sons of this Texas family.
Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot  2006-07-27 21:07|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]  2006-07-27 21:07|| Front Page Top

#26 Well said Patriot.
Posted by Besoeker 2006-07-27 21:56||   2006-07-27 21:56|| Front Page Top

#27 Queeg don't do this. Especially on this thread.

"So how does it matter?" It matters a great deal to me and I'm sure many others here.

Respect for the dead and their families sacrifices mean something here.

Yes very well said OP. Ditto

Posted by Jan 2006-07-27 22:17||   2006-07-27 22:17|| Front Page Top

#28 This must be Andrew Velez of Lubbock, Texas.
He is a selfless man who did what he believed was
right, although I am sure he really enjoyed working
with the other great guys out there.
Of course it is the loved ones who have to live on
without the great guy who suffer most.
I hope Sean Hanity's Ollie North's foundation will
help if there are children
Posted by Kristine Kid 2006-07-27 23:58||   2006-07-27 23:58|| Front Page Top

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