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2009-02-11 Home Front: Culture Wars

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Posted by Angomolet Fleang5697 2009-02-11 00:00|| || Front Page|| [10326 views ] Top

#1 Lets Keep our Powder Dry and well hidden

Posted by AZ Driller">AZ Driller 2009-02-11 01:44|| 2009-02-11 01:44|| Front Page Top

#2 Invest in PVC pipe makers. And cosmoline.

Posted by mojo">mojo 2009-02-11 02:05|| 2009-02-11 02:05|| Front Page Top

#3 While it happened in the UK, South Africa, Zimbabwe and Austalia I don't think it will happend here without the declaration of martial law and house-to-house searches. Make no mistake however, it's certainly on their bloody agenda.

Posted by Besoeker 2009-02-11 08:29|| 2009-02-11 08:29|| Front Page Top

#4 For me, one of the scariest things about the possibility of having to fork over our weapons is that "the authorities" that come to take them from us will be our local cops.

You know, the guys and gals we see at the coffee shop or at church.

It's hard as hell to shoot at someone you hate - what am I going to do when it is my neighbor?

Posted by GORT 2009-02-11 08:42|| 2009-02-11 08:42|| Front Page Top

#5 Obama doesn't know I own any guns.

And I intend to keep it that way.

Posted by Parabellum 2009-02-11 08:52|| 2009-02-11 08:52|| Front Page Top

#6 While it happened in the UK, South Africa, Zimbabwe and Australia I don't think it will happend here without the declaration of martial law and house-to-house searches.

How do they get around the very real possibility that the active military (whose combat-arms personnel come mainly from the real America) will at least refuse to enforce martial law on behalf of a leftist agenda, and probably actively rebel against it? And there's all those National Guard armories, too...

Posted by Ricky bin Ricardo (Abu Babaloo) 2009-02-11 08:54|| 2009-02-11 08:54|| Front Page Top

#7 How about a 30 cal., barrel end first.

Posted by Woozle Elmeter 2700 2009-02-11 08:58|| 2009-02-11 08:58|| Front Page Top

#8 How can an Army turn on citizens and veterans? HERE is long forgotten historical scenario.

Posted by Besoeker 2009-02-11 09:22|| 2009-02-11 09:22|| Front Page Top

#9 Besoeker: Not so fast with the story of the Bonus Army. It was actually the *second* Bonus army. The first was right after the American Revolution, when veterans surrounded the capital building, forcing the evacuation of congress.

MacArthur (PBUH) was ordered to evacuate a secondary Bonus Army compound, which was done in something of an orderly fashion. But then he exceeded his orders and attacked the primary Bonus Army compound, using adamsite (vomit gas), and causing considerable injury and death.
MacArthur (PBUH) suspected that communist and anarchist agitators were attempting to organize the Bonus veterans to overthrow the government.

I might add a few other bits. First of all, active duty soldiers attacking veterans happened elsewhere after WWI (and was mentioned in Erich Marie Remarque's *other* book, called "The Road Back", taking place in Germany).

But more importantly, the vast majority of the US military is Republican. Any officer who ordered his soldiers to attack or even abuse US citizens would not only be at risk from his own men, but his peers as well.

Posted by Anonymoose 2009-02-11 09:46|| 2009-02-11 09:46|| Front Page Top

#10 Not completely forgotten. What is interesting about the Wikipedia article is that it points out the involvement of MacArthur and Patton but ignores Eisenhower's role as MacArthur's #2 responsible for coordination with the DC Police. Interesting oversight in what was undoubtedly the nadir of all three careers. But concepts of order and duty were far different then.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2009-02-11 09:47|| 2009-02-11 09:47|| Front Page Top

#11 Good discussion. Governors standing in school house doors don't seem to do the trick either. Things pretty nearly got out of hand that day as I remember, but the end-state was never much in doubt. If a federalized national guard with Garands and Carbines locked and loaded says move aside, well, thats the end of it.

Posted by Besoeker 2009-02-11 10:07|| 2009-02-11 10:07|| Front Page Top

#12 #2 Invest in PVC pipe makers. And cosmoline.
Posted by mojo

... and 'taters, ummmmhmmmm

Posted by Uncle Phester 2009-02-11 10:43|| 2009-02-11 10:43|| Front Page Top

#13 FU Tyrant.

You will not make a full year at the rate that you are F**king up, Obama.

Posted by newc">newc 2009-02-11 12:40|| 2009-02-11 12:40|| Front Page Top

#14 Lets pray it doesn't lead to this

Posted by Jack is Back!">Jack is Back! 2009-02-11 12:55|| 2009-02-11 12:55|| Front Page Top

#15 to all those who don't think the army would hesitate to shoot civilians if ordered you're living in a dream world. and our beloved police forces wouldn't object at all. The LAPD would love it.

Posted by Glusing Peacock7143 2009-02-11 14:08|| 2009-02-11 14:08|| Front Page Top

#16 ..... to all those who don't think the army would hesitate to shoot civilians if ordered you're living in a dream world. and our beloved police forces wouldn't object at all. The LAPD would love it. Posted by: Glusing Peacock7143

After the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr. on April 4, 1968, violence erupted in the black ghetto on Chicago's west side, eventually consuming a 28-block stretch of West Madison Street. Looting and arson took place primarily in the corridor between Roosevelt Road on the south and Chicago Avenue on the north.

The next day Mayor Richard J. Daley imposed a curfew on anyone under age 21, closed streets to automobile traffic and banned the sale of guns, ammunition and flammable materials[citation needed]. About 10,500 police were sent in to protect the fire fighters, soon joined by 6,700 Illinois National Guards. After President Lyndon Johnson ordered 5,000 troops into the city, the General in charge declared that no one, including residents, would be allowed to congregate in riot areas. He ordered his troops to use tear gas against looters; Mayor Daley told the Chicago Police to shoot to kill anyone in the act of committing arson, and shoot to maim anyone looting.

It took two days to restore order, though some youth bands continued sporadic looting and burning. There were over 125 fires. Eleven people -- all black -- were dead and over five hundred were injured. Almost three thousand persons were arrested. Many buildings were burned to the ground; others were damaged so badly they had to be taken down before they collapsed. The 210 buildings affected were worth roughly $10 million. Power lines and telephone lines were knocked out. At least a thousand people were left homeless.

The destruction was concentrated on the west side, though there was some in the south side ghetto and the near north side. The south side ghetto escaped the devastation that plagued the west side primarily because two large and well-organized street gangs, the Blackstone Rangers and the East Side Disciples, co-operated in controlling their own neighborhoods. Their leaders did not want to see them ravaged and ruined.

Posted by Besoeker 2009-02-11 14:28|| 2009-02-11 14:28|| Front Page Top

#17 The LAPD would love it.

They didn't shoot anyone in the '92 riots.

Posted by Pappy 2009-02-11 15:56|| 2009-02-11 15:56|| Front Page Top

#18 I can't help but remember that just a little more than a year ago the National Guard closed my neighborhood in the San Diego area during the wildfires. They wanted everyone evacuated and we weren't allowed back to our homes for nearly a week. Guys with m-16s and Humvees blocked off many of the neighborhoods that week. It happened so fast. I couldn't help but think what if these guys were deployed for some other reason? My mind started to wander.

Posted by Intrinsicpilot 2009-02-11 17:15|| 2009-02-11 17:15|| Front Page Top

#19 #14 - I'm all for it. I've been waiting for Sulla for a couple of years now.

Posted by Hellfish 2009-02-11 19:18|| 2009-02-11 19:18|| Front Page Top

#20 Glusing Peacock7143, just what the hell are you smoking? The US Army is going to gun down civilians by the order of OBAMA??? First off, the Nuremberg Standards DO apply in the US and illegal orders are just that -- illegal. Secondly, the US military is overwhelmingly Republican -- upwards of 85% depending on whether you are talking about enlisted, NCOs, or officers.
Thirdly, the US military has had 5 years of fighting in countries where the government had gunned down opponents as a matter of routine, and you think that the military would just go along with that IN the US??

Posted by Shieldwolf 2009-02-11 20:56|| 2009-02-11 20:56|| Front Page Top

#21 Posse comitatus. No, we wouldn't do it, we wouldn't fire on U.S. citizens - even in a rebellion unless they were attacking a military base for some odd reason. We cannot follow unlawful orders - firing on citizens is out of the questions. I would resign my commission and join in on the 2nd CW and overthrow our sitting gov't if they choose to violate the 2nd Amendment so clearly and so thoroughly. My oath is to the U.S. Const, not a person, not a piece of soil, but to an idea and 27 amendments.

Posted by Unens McGurque aka Broadhead6 2009-02-11 21:12|| 2009-02-11 21:12|| Front Page Top

#22 Wasn't there a post a week or so ago (Hoax or not) about Obama wanting to have the military swear allegiance to him? Trial balloon anyone?

Posted by CrazyFool 2009-02-11 22:13|| 2009-02-11 22:13|| Front Page Top

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